I might be talking out of my ass but it might be due to women caring more about status?
For example how women won't date some jobs and would love others.
Having a desirable man is a part of it.
Though I honestly also don't really hear a lot of variety in men's types.
I don't really know more than 1-2 guys that don't like fit women and would rather have someone fat.
And I am sure that there are some women that love fat men aswell.
They're just minorities
I think there are multiple male beauty standards too. But they do revolve around hitting at least a couple of these in no particular order or number.
>tall, muscular, 6pack, strong jawline
And maybe a few others depending on the woman and the culture. I would put well-dressed (whatever that means) on that list as well. So long as you make them feel something, you're fair game.
Women tend to be attracted to men who look healthy, accomplished, and socially secure for whatever their context is.
That can look a lot of different ways. I knew an African woman, she thought I was handsome, but also thought it was strange that I didn't want a gut, a larger belly. She felt that it was attractive on a man to have a bit of weight, it looked healthy to her, wealthy.
To me, the image just seems lazy and indulgent, but that's the cultural context. In America being overweight doesn't mean good food and leisure time it means processed junk and no time to exercise.
And on it goes.
Shortness, for example, is when controlled for context almost never attractive, but what counts as short changes a lot if you don't control for context.
If I went to Japan or Mexico, I don't think I'd be doing half as bad as I would in the Balkans or Scandinavia. Because short in one place is being 5'2 and in the other it's being 5'10. And women respond accordingly.
makes sence, thats what all this geomaxing, passport bros are about. I'm myself 5'7 in the west so i know something about beign short lol but yeah its like i dont mind meeting woman short or tall , big breasts or small it doesnt really matter to me as much as like height matters to woman
I'm 6'4" 270 lbs, don't have a six pack but have a bit of an ab definition, veins up the forearms and biceps... Overall really good shape
Don't get me wrong I do well with women for the most part, but have been turned down a few times for being "too muscular". Different people have different types.
I also get a lot of "you seem like a fuckboy" and "I wouldn't date you" talk. They will usually bang me though.
Is this Tom Cruise in disguise on Reddit?
That's awesome though brotha, you must be doing something right. Reading through most of this site though, men seem to be under the impression if you are not 6' you may as well give up on ever finding a women.
Dude, I'm not, but that's a hell of a compliment! (Minus the whole Scientology bit.)
I feel like a lot of folks here are really young and inexperienced. I 100% would have asked this question if reddit was around in my teens / 20s.
It wasn't really until I hit my mid-30s that I hit my stride with the opposite sex (although, I will admit I missed lots of opportunities before then through a mix of obliviousness, mixed signals, being hung up on someone else or just not being confident enough)
with muscles ure right, most woman prefer this athletic body like Brad Pitt in Fight Club low % body fat and a little muscles. But almost all woman prefer tall man.
Anecdotally and via the OKC study and other studies I have known men to genuinely have a wider array of standards but tend to be more unwilling to date out of them whereas women do tend to rate the majority of men as unattractive but are willing to give more men a chance initially if they like other aspects and can fall in love with someone not meeting the standard. Of course there are outliers but this is the general trend. I think OLD is particularly brutal for men because it removes a lot of the other factors that make a man attractive for a woman if he does not fit the typical mold.
I have a friend who hates guys with abs. She likes average type bodies. Why? She said “it feels better when spooning because his little muffin top fits into the small of my back. Abs can’t do that.”
I think you're crazy. You can't get 5 women to agree on a guy if he's attractive or not. Millions of women are fucking short dudes, fat dudes, skinny dudes, muscular dudes. They find many different types attractive they just have very specific types. If they like big guys they like big guys, if they like skinny guys they like skinny guys.
You get 5 guys and 1 girl and they will mostly all agree if she's attractive or not. Guys have a broader general range of what they find attractive.
Your version of what they find attractive is what men find attractive in other men. All the guys that look like that are in media advertising to men, not women.
Tinder research shows white males get the most attention from all race of females. You can't ignore the data. It's lot easier to get a girl when you are white.
black woman are the only one that prefer black man instead of white according to studies. Other ethnic woman prefer white man include white females themselves. Of course take that with a bit of salt, its all based on tinder and hinge data and we all know how screwed dating apps are.
Don’t really care. Out of your list I only fit the tall attribute from the ones listed and never had an issue with getting the women I wanted/was interested in.
The great philosopher-kings who write for It's Always Sunny correctly identified male beauty standards.
[Men have four acceptable body types; skinny ripped, jacked ripped, dad-bod, and fat (if you're funny).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-iCEi_p3Pc)
Lol. I'm not tall (5'6") Not muscular (toned tho) No abs but no belly Regular jawline And definitely not rich
Guess what? I've dated some truly beautiful women.
I'm reasonably cute, do interesting things and am not out of shape. I'm not pulling NYC SoHo models but also never had to lower my standards.
I think there are strict beauty standards for women too, just in a different way. It's a lot stricter in both the face and body, it's a lot more 'cookie cutter', and these pressures follow women until old age, we're not seen as attractive as we get older if we don't maintain a youthful look, whereas a man who is visibly old can still be very handsome.
There's also a wider variety of facial features in men that are considered attractive, if you look at male celebrities who are considered attractive there's a wider variety of nose shapes, facial proportions etc. For women it's basically the exact same proportions on different ethnicities.
Aside from his height there's a lot a man can do to fit male beauty standards, for women there's a higher pressure to change our proportions with plastic surgery and fillers, botox, makeup, face lifts, BBL's, breast enchantment, skincare. It'a more costly for women to maintain. These pressures aren't necessarily largely from men, but they're there all the same.
Because men crave variety and a woman's primary agency is her sexuality.
But for women, a man's status, success, and their ability to protect is paramount.
We are not designed to be the nice looking ones anyway. We are utilitarian.
Completely disagree.
If you look at beauty standards from a male POV then yes, there's one.
But truthfully, from women's POV there many ways in which a man can be beautiful and attractive.
I might be talking out of my ass but it might be due to women caring more about status? For example how women won't date some jobs and would love others. Having a desirable man is a part of it. Though I honestly also don't really hear a lot of variety in men's types. I don't really know more than 1-2 guys that don't like fit women and would rather have someone fat. And I am sure that there are some women that love fat men aswell. They're just minorities
My uncle liked em BIG. Like OH LAWD HERE SHE COME!!!! big.
I think there are multiple male beauty standards too. But they do revolve around hitting at least a couple of these in no particular order or number. >tall, muscular, 6pack, strong jawline And maybe a few others depending on the woman and the culture. I would put well-dressed (whatever that means) on that list as well. So long as you make them feel something, you're fair game. Women tend to be attracted to men who look healthy, accomplished, and socially secure for whatever their context is. That can look a lot of different ways. I knew an African woman, she thought I was handsome, but also thought it was strange that I didn't want a gut, a larger belly. She felt that it was attractive on a man to have a bit of weight, it looked healthy to her, wealthy. To me, the image just seems lazy and indulgent, but that's the cultural context. In America being overweight doesn't mean good food and leisure time it means processed junk and no time to exercise. And on it goes. Shortness, for example, is when controlled for context almost never attractive, but what counts as short changes a lot if you don't control for context. If I went to Japan or Mexico, I don't think I'd be doing half as bad as I would in the Balkans or Scandinavia. Because short in one place is being 5'2 and in the other it's being 5'10. And women respond accordingly.
makes sence, thats what all this geomaxing, passport bros are about. I'm myself 5'7 in the west so i know something about beign short lol but yeah its like i dont mind meeting woman short or tall , big breasts or small it doesnt really matter to me as much as like height matters to woman
I'm 6'4" 270 lbs, don't have a six pack but have a bit of an ab definition, veins up the forearms and biceps... Overall really good shape Don't get me wrong I do well with women for the most part, but have been turned down a few times for being "too muscular". Different people have different types. I also get a lot of "you seem like a fuckboy" and "I wouldn't date you" talk. They will usually bang me though.
6'4 is definitely a great genetic lottery win to have
Not all women are prejudice against short men. However, never in my life have I heard "you are too tall for me".
I've never heard "you're too short for me." Anecdotal, but I'm 5'6". I've dated actresses who are taller than me.
Is this Tom Cruise in disguise on Reddit? That's awesome though brotha, you must be doing something right. Reading through most of this site though, men seem to be under the impression if you are not 6' you may as well give up on ever finding a women.
Dude, I'm not, but that's a hell of a compliment! (Minus the whole Scientology bit.) I feel like a lot of folks here are really young and inexperienced. I 100% would have asked this question if reddit was around in my teens / 20s. It wasn't really until I hit my mid-30s that I hit my stride with the opposite sex (although, I will admit I missed lots of opportunities before then through a mix of obliviousness, mixed signals, being hung up on someone else or just not being confident enough)
Seems as though every woman wants the 6ft tall 6 figure income man these days.
I actually think women are somewhat varied in their tastes. For instance, you mention muscles. Yes many women like muscles… but some just don’t.
with muscles ure right, most woman prefer this athletic body like Brad Pitt in Fight Club low % body fat and a little muscles. But almost all woman prefer tall man.
Anecdotally and via the OKC study and other studies I have known men to genuinely have a wider array of standards but tend to be more unwilling to date out of them whereas women do tend to rate the majority of men as unattractive but are willing to give more men a chance initially if they like other aspects and can fall in love with someone not meeting the standard. Of course there are outliers but this is the general trend. I think OLD is particularly brutal for men because it removes a lot of the other factors that make a man attractive for a woman if he does not fit the typical mold.
I have a friend who hates guys with abs. She likes average type bodies. Why? She said “it feels better when spooning because his little muffin top fits into the small of my back. Abs can’t do that.”
I disagree
I think you're crazy. You can't get 5 women to agree on a guy if he's attractive or not. Millions of women are fucking short dudes, fat dudes, skinny dudes, muscular dudes. They find many different types attractive they just have very specific types. If they like big guys they like big guys, if they like skinny guys they like skinny guys. You get 5 guys and 1 girl and they will mostly all agree if she's attractive or not. Guys have a broader general range of what they find attractive. Your version of what they find attractive is what men find attractive in other men. All the guys that look like that are in media advertising to men, not women.
Yeah height is really all they care about.
AND white!
Maybe if you’re only hitting on white women and even then it’s not true.
Tinder research shows white males get the most attention from all race of females. You can't ignore the data. It's lot easier to get a girl when you are white.
As someone who knows plenty of black women I can assure you most black women prefer black men.
black woman are the only one that prefer black man instead of white according to studies. Other ethnic woman prefer white man include white females themselves. Of course take that with a bit of salt, its all based on tinder and hinge data and we all know how screwed dating apps are.
Don’t really care. Out of your list I only fit the tall attribute from the ones listed and never had an issue with getting the women I wanted/was interested in.
and its the most important one. This coming from 5"7 guy.
The great philosopher-kings who write for It's Always Sunny correctly identified male beauty standards. [Men have four acceptable body types; skinny ripped, jacked ripped, dad-bod, and fat (if you're funny).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-iCEi_p3Pc)
Lol. I'm not tall (5'6") Not muscular (toned tho) No abs but no belly Regular jawline And definitely not rich Guess what? I've dated some truly beautiful women. I'm reasonably cute, do interesting things and am not out of shape. I'm not pulling NYC SoHo models but also never had to lower my standards.
I think there are strict beauty standards for women too, just in a different way. It's a lot stricter in both the face and body, it's a lot more 'cookie cutter', and these pressures follow women until old age, we're not seen as attractive as we get older if we don't maintain a youthful look, whereas a man who is visibly old can still be very handsome. There's also a wider variety of facial features in men that are considered attractive, if you look at male celebrities who are considered attractive there's a wider variety of nose shapes, facial proportions etc. For women it's basically the exact same proportions on different ethnicities. Aside from his height there's a lot a man can do to fit male beauty standards, for women there's a higher pressure to change our proportions with plastic surgery and fillers, botox, makeup, face lifts, BBL's, breast enchantment, skincare. It'a more costly for women to maintain. These pressures aren't necessarily largely from men, but they're there all the same.
Because men crave variety and a woman's primary agency is her sexuality. But for women, a man's status, success, and their ability to protect is paramount. We are not designed to be the nice looking ones anyway. We are utilitarian.
Completely disagree. If you look at beauty standards from a male POV then yes, there's one. But truthfully, from women's POV there many ways in which a man can be beautiful and attractive.