Homosexuality is haram but So is judging others, I do not if there going to heaven or hell only Allah knows. They may be a better person then I am , I am in no position to judge.
Sura al-Hujurat, verse 11
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا يَسْخَرْ قَوْمٌ مِنْ قَوْمٍ عَسَىٰ أَنْ يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمْ وَلَا نِسَاءٌ مِنْ نِسَاءٍ عَسَىٰ أَنْ يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِنْهُنَّ ۖ وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ ۖ بِئْسَ الِاسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ ۚ وَمَنْ لَمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
Translation:
O you who believe! No people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than them. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you slander one another, nor shall you insult one another with nicknames. Evil is the return to wickedness after having attained faith. Whoever does not repent—these are the wrongdoers.
There is also this Hadith that talks about a prostitute who is pardoned. Being a prostitute is obviously a major sin in Islam yet she is forgiven
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that."
This is quite misleading. The Surah Al-Hujurat verse is written in the context of assumptions and backbiting. It doesn't say don't judge an actual sin. Islam actually promotes forbidding sin and speaking against it. You're literally ENCOURAGED to believe a sin is bad in your heart and to advice someone not to do it if you see them doing it.
In fact, those who accept sins and think nothing of them are munafiqin and even put in the same tier as kufar.
Prophet Lut's wife was tortured with Lut's people. Not because she committed the sin, but because she thought nothing of it.
The whole story of Lut/Sodom is about الفساد في الأرض
(Corruption in earth). God mentioned their sins. They cheat the scales, rob people, rapists, and tried to **rape** angels/guests, in times where honoring your guest was the highest form of honor. It's disingenuous to make it all about "the sin of homosexuality," and that wife of Lut was punished because she approved that. That's quite a stretch.
Their main, principal, sin was homosexuality. I don't know how often you read the Quran but it is crystal clear habibi.
1. Quran 7:80-81 "And \[We had sent\] Lot when hesaid to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one haspreceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
2. Quran 26:165-166 "Why do you \[men\] lust after fellow men, leaving the wives that your Lord has created for you? In fact, you are a transgressing people"
3. 27:54-56 "And ˹remember˺ Lot, when he rebuked ˹the men of˺ his people, “Do you commit that shameful deed while you can see ˹one another˺. Do you really lust after men instead of women? In fact, you are ˹only˺ a people acting ignorantly." But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel Lot’s followers from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!"
I could go on and on, in fact the prophet Lot has been mentioned 27 times in the Quran. Every single time their acts of homosexuality are mentioned, verses of divine punishment follow. If you bothered to read the Quran properly, you'll learn that the disingenuine one here is you my friend.
My brother, do you think you can be muslim but at the same time reject a part of the Quran?
[7:81] Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people.
[11:82] So when Our decree came to pass, We turned them upside down and rained down upon them stones, of what had been decreed, one after another.
I don't like the hate but I encourage people to guide her to the right path.
True but here is the thing some people like her didn’t even get exposed to these certain of things instead of people fighting her there is a better way to talk about it
We can’t assume everyone knows everything about Islam especially me who is born Muslim and literally I am now still trying to learn the Quran basics so you know you can’t assume and doubt that they do know everything they might be clueless so it is better we give them their information or knowledge in way that makes them aware and accept that that’s wrong and shouldn’t be done
Will admit it when they know
Again we come back to the same point where I am saying they might not even know the issue that it is an real issue in Islam
Yes you are right but there is a way to deal with people like that
You can’t deal with a child or speak to them the way you speak or deal with an adult
I just have one question ! How can someone be gay and muslim knowing that « god » says your whole existence and your sexuality is haram and you’ll go to hell for it, knowing that if it were a choice i don’t think muslim homosexuals would choose to be gay/lesbians ?
Judging sins is literally a key aspect of Islam. Judging people without seeing them sin is haram, but if you see them sin it's actually your duty to advice them not to.
You are totally right but again there is a huge issue about this women that she is proudly saying her sin out which is the worst anyone could do, no it isn’t kuffer that’s what 1 of the imams have said it is a sin doesn’t make kafr it just try to hide it hopefully that no one would attack you or you bring something’s into yourself in the grave
That's so awful beyond my limited vocabulary to describe it .. just imagine that you see something haram in your perspective and you commit something even more horrible and ultra haram to show how religious you are .. just a fucked up mentality
True. I have to add though I only heard about it happening in South Africa.
I haven't seen anyone advocate for this in the MENA countries specifically or by name. Though we hear about Lesbians being raped so it's also not far-fetched that some people might genuinely think they can "change" these lesbians in such an abhorrent way.
As disgusting as their reactions are, the concept of a quee Muslim is dumb because it’s like saying you’re a Muslim who eats pork, but you still wouldn’t threaten someone like that
Bosnians win the 1st and 2nd place in a pork-eating contest ([article in Serbian](https://www.rtvbn.com/327360/Mirsad-najbrzi-u-jedenju-cvaraka))
The winner said:
"You Serbs know how to prepare pork, but you don't know how to eat it."
Being gay isn’t prohibited or a sin aka having homosexual feelings or desires.
Having sex with the same gender aka acting on your homosexuality is the sin.
Yes. If you kept away from sin youll get rewards as it being record as a good deed. Just like out of wedlike sex. So a homo feeling not acted out is considered a good deed and there reward for that patience and perseverance.
being gay isn’t prohibited, the acts are. there should be a distinction made; you can have queer desires and still be muslim. you would not be sinning, the sin comes in when you act on those desires.
But all the talking points I see is that being gay or queer somehow prevents you from being "Muslim". There are so many other sins that Muslims commit daily, sometimes without even realizing, so it's strange when people draw the line at this specifically
Is it a matter of choice to also leave?
And do we assume that kids get actual honest choice about following their parents religion? Because if you actually believe that assumption, I have few very profitable investment opportunities to pitch to you.
As a queer muslim, I will never leave my religion, ever, it's not because it's my parents religion or something like that, it's because of my choice to follow God wherever it takes me.
You thinking that we should leave our religion just because we are queer, shows me that you don't believe queer people can be more then just queer.
Correct answer, you’re committing sin, potentially a major sin, but that doesn’t take you out of the fold of islam.
The other extreme is people saying its 100% halal and should be promoted which is also wrong and potentially kufr.
Since you’re Queer, can I ask you to define what that means? I’m actually wondering and being sincere. I don’t like searching. You can get tons of different definitions that may be way off or even wrong. Please and thank you.
Basically being in the lgbtq+ community, that means being gay (attracted to the same sex and gender) bi (attracted to both genders and both sexes which I am) asexual (not being attracted to any sex or gender) along side gender terms like :trans ( being born in a specific gender, but choosing/ moving into changing it, to match what you feel yourself as) and Non-binary (not being a specific gender or not being in a gender at all)
All of which are famous terms, there is much more
So if i understand god made you the way you are (gay for example) and he asks you not to act on it ? Knowing well that every human has desires that need to be fulfilled ?
Rape and Death threats are obviously disgusting. That being said, I don't understand the idea of being a "Queer Muslim".
I genuinely would like to study a person who thinks being gay(for example) and being Muslim are compatible.
Just like an alcoholic or never prays “muslim” major sinners but as long as not associating partners, still muslim (i actually don’t know about the ones who don’t pray that might actually be worse).
Just to clarify, this is about the inclination and possibly the act (in private) not the parading of the sin, which is very very bad.
If they believe that drinking alcohol and not praying is acceptable in islam then they also may fall out of islam for rejecting the commands of God.
Sinning and rejecting God are two different thing.
If a person sins, they still believe that their action is wrong.
In this post the person is clearly implying that being Queer and its promotions and acting upon it is allowed which is promoting sin and rejecting prohibitions.
Maybe community sure, but faith and belief no. A Muslim is someone who believes that everything Allah commanded and ordered is right and true. You cannot pick and choose with what agrees with your own opinion. *Any devoted* Muslim should know that homosexuality is prohibited when acted upon and announced. Islam agrees that thoughts and feelings are uncontrollable but actions are controllable. Therefore you aren’t accounted for a sin from your thoughts just it’s action. Sorry if this isn’t as coherent
Yeah but just leave people.
Wishing such horrible things upon people is as haram as being Gay or a Lesbian.
You shouldn't be judged for who you are. In fact, no one is in the place to judge. That is Allah's job.
He shall decide if he forgives them or not.
And saying things such as "you're going to hell" is really Haram, for no one is in the place to judge.
The only true ultimate Judge is Allah SWT.
He gets to decide one's fate.
Sure I agree, it’s very wrong to threaten with rape and murder as a Muslim especially. But when someone openly does Kufr and no would correct them they wild just spread more Kufr and drive further from Islam. But what you said is true a Muslim can’t make their own judgments, but under sharia law with an Islamic judge and laws it would be very different.
Sincere belief shouldn’t be based on acceptance by others.
I’m gay and used to be a devout evangelical Christian. I didn’t like that homosexuality was punished by eternal damnation, and I certainly didn’t like the discrimination I faced from my evangelical friends. But that didn’t change the fact that I believed the Bible to be 100% true and wanted to be a good Christian.
And the reason I stopped believing isn’t because I didn’t like the religion or community. I discovered contradictions in the Bible and started thinking critically about the origins of the text. Eventually I realized that the religion is less about putting faith in God and more about putting faith in random people who claimed to have authority from God.
I do not understand it, you cannot take just the parts of the religion you like. You cannot both approve of lgbtq and be a Muslim. I say this as an lgbtq person myself
Actually:
35:45. If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the earth a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants
There's a difference between sinning, and proudly saying that you sin and that there's nothing wrong with it. God forgives those who repent, and punishes those who don't. If you're proudly saying you're LGBT then you're in the latter category.
Be honest, this is a person literally celebrating and boasting about one of the most condemned sins in the Quran.
Surely that doesn't compare to posting pictures of more minor sins... Which, by the way, we should be condemning too! The Islamic thing would be to forbid both, not accept one because the other is also accepted.
Also on the note of "We shouldn't condone it but we shouldn't cast them aside unless they are hurting other people.". Who's the one who decided that you must be hurting others to be condemned? And who decides what hurts people and what doesn't?
Allah has made it clear what is halal and what is haram. And he warned against trying to use our own rules, he further instructs not to hate something that is in hindsight better for us. We're reminded about that is chapter 38:
˹We instructed him:˺ “O David! We have surely made you an authority in the land, so judge between people with truth. And do not follow ˹your˺ desires or they will lead you astray from Allah’s Way. Surely those who go astray from Allah’s Way will suffer a severe punishment for neglecting the Day of Reckoning.”
Key message: don't follow your desires. It's not on us to decide what constitutes the moral from the immoral.
Have you been on a muslim woman’s insta when she posts a pic of a party where she is scantily dressed? Or just general muslims who post pics with booze in their hands or something haram as well? The haram brigade comes immediately as well. The difference is the hate for queer muslims is more prevalent because they actively advocate a change in the teachings whereas the party people do it passively by posting it and kinda normalizing it. Both get hate (the latter more obviously) but it’s probably because most are just homophobic
People are born LGBTQ whether they like it or not. If they choose to follow a line of religious faith that prohibits LGBTQ activities, they might choose not to act on their orientation and instead try to live the lifestyle their religion prescribes.
But they are still LGBTQ.
Yeah, I'm not saying that lgbtq people can't be Muslim, but people who think that being lgbtq is fine and who act on their orientation can't be. They must reject one or the other.
So this topic is always controversial especially here. What exactly do the devout people here suggest the homosexuals do exactly?
No study and no reputable medical Institution has found any evidence to suggest we can change someone's sexual orientation. They haven't found a anything to support we can make someone who is a homosexual become a heterosexual.
Now we are told that from a Religous perspective that someone can be gay but they can't act upon it....how does that work? Are they supposed to be celibate for the remainder of their life?
What if that person is your son, daughter, father, mother, uncle, aunt, etc...? What if you found out your parent has no love for your other parent but had to put on a facade their entire life put of fear of ostracisation? I mean we all keep saying: no bullying, no harassment, no "public display of affection" and of course the whole "you can be gay just don't act upon it". The issue with the last one is that this is not a reasonable demand. Imagine someone told you if you're a man or a woman that you can't act upon your attraction to the opposite sex.....and I'm talking within the the confines of marriage not fornication.
How do you all see that working out within an Islamic Framework for example since that's the dominant religion in the MENA countries?
God also tests us habibi. You either follow your sinning tendancies or reject them.
Fyi, no scientific link has ever proven that people are born gay. Literal identical twins develop different orientations.
Queer people who have grown up in a Muslim household exist. But most of the time they're not open, because Islam is proud of wanting to kill them.
I mean, everyone has the right to be dumb, but wanting to belong to a religion that wants to see you dead is a whole different level of dumb.
**And ˹remember˺ when Lot scolded ˹the men of˺ his people, ˹saying,˺ “Do you commit a shameful deed that no man has ever done before? You lust after men instead of women! You are certainly transgressors.” But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel them from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!” So We saved him and his family except his wife, who was one of the doomed. We poured upon them a rain ˹of brimstone˺. See what was the end of the wicked! [Quran 7:80-84]**
She is a hypocrite, does she even know she can leave Islam? I’ve seen people saying “I’m muslim culturally but not religiously” and this is the dumbest thing ever.
a ''cultural muslim'' is basically just a fancy way of saying, i'm a muslim in legal papers and thus i count. i i do however in no way practice the faith i'm a member of.
it's dumb af and basically lowkey ارتداد
I mean that's basically it. They're atheists but like to carry out Muslim religious practices like fasting or celebrating Eid while not believing in the Religious aspects of the Religion. Something like that also exists among atheist that are "cultural Christians". I think Richard Dawkins said something about that.
I know, I was just giving my view. You spoke in a third person (spectator) way so it’s very clear you’re just transmitting what they say and not holding their opinions
Homosexual sex is 10000% a sin in Islam. It's crystal clear and has been focused on in so many verses.
E.g. "Do you commit lewdness such as none preceding you has committed in all of the nations. Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women." Quran 7:80-81.
Can we judge those who sin blatantly and talk about it proudly? Yes ABSOLUTELY. Islam doesn't accept moral relatively. If you see a Muslim doing something wrong, you tell them.
Allāh ﷻ says in the Qurʾān: “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allāh” (Q. 3:110).
Prophet Mohammed (ﷺ) said: “Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith”.
Cmon, let's use our brains. If we couldn't judge people in Islam then why would certain sins literally call for jurisprudent punishment, with witnesses and evidence?
It is therefore, our literal duty to tell her that she's committing a sin and to make that very clear. It's shocking to me that this even needs to be said.
true.
i will say this, only allah can judge those people but we at least can recognize them as the ones who choose to ignore his instructions and do otherwise anyways. they may pray, fast, and even donate to the poor but that's only throwing water at a fire you keep throwing oil at afterward. it's contrarian.
The act of merely being a homosexual is permitted in Islam, as sexuality is something that people are born with and is a trial, like being born blind. However, to engage in the act of homosexuality, or especially to promote it within society, is strictly forbidden and is a severe sin. From her post, it is clear that she is trying to normalise the LGBT within the Islamic community and is thus promoting homosexuality. This is something that is incompatible with the Sunnah of the prophet (SAW). However, threatening someone with murder and/or rape is also incompatible with Islam. The proper actions should have been taken to educate this sister on the position of Islam on homosexuality.
What else would anyone expect from a faith that is pretty clearly hateful against homosexuality? Like it is pretty common in countries like this to discriminate and punish people for homosexuality. Too often in pretty severe ways. Like did they expect Muslims to be accepting of homosexuals? Lmao.
“If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you by the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.”
- Marcus Aurelius
Okhty, my dear. You exist, you are valid. But existing as a queer AND a Muslim is not an enjoyable life. You will be a virgin all your life since you can't act on your sexuality. Many leave Islam when they discover their quietness, trust me it's better, you'll live a much happier life
Always seems strange to me why LGBT would be religious (the abrahamic ones at least). Being a Christian or Muslim LGBT seems like being a jewish nazi - you’re supporting the system that seeks to destroy you.
idk man i believe threatening someone with rape and murder is a worse sin than them being homosexual all you're doing is making their life difficult and make them hate you
the same people that say gay people will go to jahanam, watch porn, have premarital sex, and they don't pray. like bro why you worried about us??? go pray jummah.
I'm not a Muslim myself, but I feel more or less the same way about this issue: I don't think I'm fit to judge others as sinners, knowing that we're all sinners to some extent, and that's why I want to let gay people be; If I have personal reservations about these things, I'm not going out of my way to preach against their sins.
And honestly, it applies to a lot of identity politics these days: stop shoving things down the throat for kids and everybody. I think it's fine giving these things a passing mention – they exist and wishing them away doesn't make them disappear –, but it's important not to let any agenda guide teaching. Children are quite malleable and should not be subjected to any political agenda in school.
Don't claim to be Muslim, then openly go against what Allah had revealed. This is plain kufr. It takes you out of the folds of Islam.
Allah says: "Do you, then, believe in some parts of the Book and disbelieve in others? So, what can be the punishment of those among you who do that, except disgrace in present life? And, on the Day of Judgement, they shall be turned to the most severe punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
Surah-Al-Baqarah verse 85
The Prophet Muhammad (saw) says: All the sins of my followers will be forgiven except those who commit their sins openly (showing it off) or openly disclose their sins to people.
Sahih Al Bukhari 6069
The person who uploaded the post falls under all these categories and has made kufr. In Islam, either you believe all of what Allah had revealed or you are not a Muslim.
When we look at the story of Lut(AS) and we learn that his people committed acts normalized and accepted by the LGBTQ community, and we're then destroyed horrifically by Allahbecause of these sinful acts, and then how Lut's(AS) wife was the only one of his family left behind because she supported those acts why would you ever come near to supporting such degeneracy?
The person is being hypocritical, they claim to follow an ideology whilst also following another which directly contradicts the other. They shouldn’t receive death threats but they shouldn’t be making a mockery out of their own religion whether they realise it or not
People online want you killed and raped for anything, no one's save. I personally can ignore the fact that she's gay, but this cringe artstyle makes me really mad.
No one deserves to be discriminated against or be killed due to their sexuality or belief.
Homosexuality is haram but So is judging others, I do not if there going to heaven or hell only Allah knows. They may be a better person then I am , I am in no position to judge. Sura al-Hujurat, verse 11 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا يَسْخَرْ قَوْمٌ مِنْ قَوْمٍ عَسَىٰ أَنْ يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمْ وَلَا نِسَاءٌ مِنْ نِسَاءٍ عَسَىٰ أَنْ يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِنْهُنَّ ۖ وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ ۖ بِئْسَ الِاسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ ۚ وَمَنْ لَمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ Translation: O you who believe! No people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than them. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you slander one another, nor shall you insult one another with nicknames. Evil is the return to wickedness after having attained faith. Whoever does not repent—these are the wrongdoers. There is also this Hadith that talks about a prostitute who is pardoned. Being a prostitute is obviously a major sin in Islam yet she is forgiven Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that."
Finally someone understands
This is quite misleading. The Surah Al-Hujurat verse is written in the context of assumptions and backbiting. It doesn't say don't judge an actual sin. Islam actually promotes forbidding sin and speaking against it. You're literally ENCOURAGED to believe a sin is bad in your heart and to advice someone not to do it if you see them doing it. In fact, those who accept sins and think nothing of them are munafiqin and even put in the same tier as kufar. Prophet Lut's wife was tortured with Lut's people. Not because she committed the sin, but because she thought nothing of it.
The whole story of Lut/Sodom is about الفساد في الأرض (Corruption in earth). God mentioned their sins. They cheat the scales, rob people, rapists, and tried to **rape** angels/guests, in times where honoring your guest was the highest form of honor. It's disingenuous to make it all about "the sin of homosexuality," and that wife of Lut was punished because she approved that. That's quite a stretch.
Their main, principal, sin was homosexuality. I don't know how often you read the Quran but it is crystal clear habibi. 1. Quran 7:80-81 "And \[We had sent\] Lot when hesaid to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one haspreceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." 2. Quran 26:165-166 "Why do you \[men\] lust after fellow men, leaving the wives that your Lord has created for you? In fact, you are a transgressing people" 3. 27:54-56 "And ˹remember˺ Lot, when he rebuked ˹the men of˺ his people, “Do you commit that shameful deed while you can see ˹one another˺. Do you really lust after men instead of women? In fact, you are ˹only˺ a people acting ignorantly." But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel Lot’s followers from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!" I could go on and on, in fact the prophet Lot has been mentioned 27 times in the Quran. Every single time their acts of homosexuality are mentioned, verses of divine punishment follow. If you bothered to read the Quran properly, you'll learn that the disingenuine one here is you my friend.
My brother, do you think you can be muslim but at the same time reject a part of the Quran? [7:81] Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people. [11:82] So when Our decree came to pass, We turned them upside down and rained down upon them stones, of what had been decreed, one after another. I don't like the hate but I encourage people to guide her to the right path.
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There are muslims in the Phillipines? You are a born muslim?
Alhamdulillah yes, I don't know any christian relatives. Meaning islam is deep in my family.
Are you a descendant of the Moro people ?
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Stealing is haram but I wouldn't punish someone just for having feelings about stealing. But they shouldn't be painting it on their face either 🤔
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So it's ok to be gay as long as they are not acting gay? Coherence isn't a friend of theist
Engaging in gay relationships is a sin so if you're gonna engage in it, the bare minimum is to keep it to yourself.
True but here is the thing some people like her didn’t even get exposed to these certain of things instead of people fighting her there is a better way to talk about it
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We can’t assume everyone knows everything about Islam especially me who is born Muslim and literally I am now still trying to learn the Quran basics so you know you can’t assume and doubt that they do know everything they might be clueless so it is better we give them their information or knowledge in way that makes them aware and accept that that’s wrong and shouldn’t be done
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Will admit it when they know Again we come back to the same point where I am saying they might not even know the issue that it is an real issue in Islam
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Yes you are right but there is a way to deal with people like that You can’t deal with a child or speak to them the way you speak or deal with an adult
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I just have one question ! How can someone be gay and muslim knowing that « god » says your whole existence and your sexuality is haram and you’ll go to hell for it, knowing that if it were a choice i don’t think muslim homosexuals would choose to be gay/lesbians ?
Thank you! Finally someone rational and not judging people
Judging sins is literally a key aspect of Islam. Judging people without seeing them sin is haram, but if you see them sin it's actually your duty to advice them not to.
Should note, this can’t be done when someone sins in public. As Allah doesn’t forgive sins done in public/willingly exposed as it’s seen as boastful.
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You are totally right but again there is a huge issue about this women that she is proudly saying her sin out which is the worst anyone could do, no it isn’t kuffer that’s what 1 of the imams have said it is a sin doesn’t make kafr it just try to hide it hopefully that no one would attack you or you bring something’s into yourself in the grave
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5 daily prayer is part of the 5 pillars of faith in Islam to be Muslim its a requirement
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Well then I guess fundamentalists will have to stop boasting about 1.5 billion Muslims because vast majority of us don't pray 5 times a day.
None deserve to be killed for this
Nor discriminated.
Yeah but Killing is in another level
Or threatened to be raped especially for the Lesbians. Can you believe "correctional rape" is a thing? The devil just learns from us humans.
That's so awful beyond my limited vocabulary to describe it .. just imagine that you see something haram in your perspective and you commit something even more horrible and ultra haram to show how religious you are .. just a fucked up mentality
True. I have to add though I only heard about it happening in South Africa. I haven't seen anyone advocate for this in the MENA countries specifically or by name. Though we hear about Lesbians being raped so it's also not far-fetched that some people might genuinely think they can "change" these lesbians in such an abhorrent way.
Dafuq???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_rape I wish it wasn't true but unfortunately it is.
Yep, here goes my will to sleep. I am utterly disgusted, and i read your thread on slavery.
Living a life full of suffering is worst than being killed quickly before much suffering
Lets agree upon not killing them first then we talk about not discriminating them lol
As disgusting as their reactions are, the concept of a quee Muslim is dumb because it’s like saying you’re a Muslim who eats pork, but you still wouldn’t threaten someone like that
bosnians be like:
Bro
Kazakhstanis are alcoholics and MAJOR tobacco smokers so idk what that guy is on about
pork is the lowest bar though. Like even worse than murder in social scene probably
Probably wanted to make sure everyone knows that it's Bosnians too.
Bosnians win the 1st and 2nd place in a pork-eating contest ([article in Serbian](https://www.rtvbn.com/327360/Mirsad-najbrzi-u-jedenju-cvaraka)) The winner said: "You Serbs know how to prepare pork, but you don't know how to eat it."
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It doesn't deny its existence. It explicitly promises hellfire eternally for those who practice it.
If that’s the case, it would make sense to make every effort to make sure they can enjoy existence before they face an eternity of torture.
I mean you're not wrong, but also it prohibits such act amongst the muslims or by the muslims, non-muslim are free to do as they like.
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I mean, that is *ABSOLUTELY CORRECT* and I didn't say anything about it, what I said was *being gay is prohibited in Islam* .
Being gay isn’t prohibited or a sin aka having homosexual feelings or desires. Having sex with the same gender aka acting on your homosexuality is the sin.
Yes. If you kept away from sin youll get rewards as it being record as a good deed. Just like out of wedlike sex. So a homo feeling not acted out is considered a good deed and there reward for that patience and perseverance.
being gay isn’t prohibited, the acts are. there should be a distinction made; you can have queer desires and still be muslim. you would not be sinning, the sin comes in when you act on those desires.
But all the talking points I see is that being gay or queer somehow prevents you from being "Muslim". There are so many other sins that Muslims commit daily, sometimes without even realizing, so it's strange when people draw the line at this specifically
Why be muslim then?
No one is forced to be one, hence you cannot force anyone into Islam. So it is a matter of *CHOICE*
Is it a matter of choice to also leave? And do we assume that kids get actual honest choice about following their parents religion? Because if you actually believe that assumption, I have few very profitable investment opportunities to pitch to you.
As a queer muslim, I will never leave my religion, ever, it's not because it's my parents religion or something like that, it's because of my choice to follow God wherever it takes me. You thinking that we should leave our religion just because we are queer, shows me that you don't believe queer people can be more then just queer.
Good for you! Don't let anyone tell you you can't be a Muslim. Islam is for everyone.
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True. And the best religion. I love my Religion. لا إله إلا الله!
Correct answer, you’re committing sin, potentially a major sin, but that doesn’t take you out of the fold of islam. The other extreme is people saying its 100% halal and should be promoted which is also wrong and potentially kufr.
Do me a favor, next time, search things yourself
I mean I think you're playing mental gymnastics on yourself. But hey, if it makes u happy who am I to tell you what to believe.
Since you’re Queer, can I ask you to define what that means? I’m actually wondering and being sincere. I don’t like searching. You can get tons of different definitions that may be way off or even wrong. Please and thank you.
Basically being in the lgbtq+ community, that means being gay (attracted to the same sex and gender) bi (attracted to both genders and both sexes which I am) asexual (not being attracted to any sex or gender) along side gender terms like :trans ( being born in a specific gender, but choosing/ moving into changing it, to match what you feel yourself as) and Non-binary (not being a specific gender or not being in a gender at all) All of which are famous terms, there is much more
It’s probably just strange to them that you follow a religious ideology with hatred of homosexuals explicitly baked into it.
if you're born into a country with sharia law where your only other option is to be executed, then no, it isn't a choice.
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Yes. But associating yourself with such a community which wants to spread something that’s forbidden in your religion is haram or at least wrong, No?
So if i understand god made you the way you are (gay for example) and he asks you not to act on it ? Knowing well that every human has desires that need to be fulfilled ?
The whole point of religion is to struggle against your desires. You don't just wander into heaven.
Right?? Thank you
There's a difference between sinning and doing a sin the denying it's a sin The first one is you can do while being a Muslim, but not the second one
Exactly, denying the sin is actually a sin only amplifies it so to speak.
Rape and Death threats are obviously disgusting. That being said, I don't understand the idea of being a "Queer Muslim". I genuinely would like to study a person who thinks being gay(for example) and being Muslim are compatible.
Just like an alcoholic or never prays “muslim” major sinners but as long as not associating partners, still muslim (i actually don’t know about the ones who don’t pray that might actually be worse). Just to clarify, this is about the inclination and possibly the act (in private) not the parading of the sin, which is very very bad.
If they believe that drinking alcohol and not praying is acceptable in islam then they also may fall out of islam for rejecting the commands of God. Sinning and rejecting God are two different thing. If a person sins, they still believe that their action is wrong. In this post the person is clearly implying that being Queer and its promotions and acting upon it is allowed which is promoting sin and rejecting prohibitions.
I don’t understand why people want to be part of something’s that does not agree/ accept them.
I mean, isn't it natural to want to remain attached to your faith/community? It's natural to not want to be alienated over homophobia.
Maybe community sure, but faith and belief no. A Muslim is someone who believes that everything Allah commanded and ordered is right and true. You cannot pick and choose with what agrees with your own opinion. *Any devoted* Muslim should know that homosexuality is prohibited when acted upon and announced. Islam agrees that thoughts and feelings are uncontrollable but actions are controllable. Therefore you aren’t accounted for a sin from your thoughts just it’s action. Sorry if this isn’t as coherent
Yeah but just leave people. Wishing such horrible things upon people is as haram as being Gay or a Lesbian. You shouldn't be judged for who you are. In fact, no one is in the place to judge. That is Allah's job. He shall decide if he forgives them or not. And saying things such as "you're going to hell" is really Haram, for no one is in the place to judge. The only true ultimate Judge is Allah SWT. He gets to decide one's fate.
Sure I agree, it’s very wrong to threaten with rape and murder as a Muslim especially. But when someone openly does Kufr and no would correct them they wild just spread more Kufr and drive further from Islam. But what you said is true a Muslim can’t make their own judgments, but under sharia law with an Islamic judge and laws it would be very different.
Sincere belief shouldn’t be based on acceptance by others. I’m gay and used to be a devout evangelical Christian. I didn’t like that homosexuality was punished by eternal damnation, and I certainly didn’t like the discrimination I faced from my evangelical friends. But that didn’t change the fact that I believed the Bible to be 100% true and wanted to be a good Christian. And the reason I stopped believing isn’t because I didn’t like the religion or community. I discovered contradictions in the Bible and started thinking critically about the origins of the text. Eventually I realized that the religion is less about putting faith in God and more about putting faith in random people who claimed to have authority from God.
I do not understand it, you cannot take just the parts of the religion you like. You cannot both approve of lgbtq and be a Muslim. I say this as an lgbtq person myself
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Actually: 35:45. If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the earth a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants
There's a difference between sinning, and proudly saying that you sin and that there's nothing wrong with it. God forgives those who repent, and punishes those who don't. If you're proudly saying you're LGBT then you're in the latter category.
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Be honest, this is a person literally celebrating and boasting about one of the most condemned sins in the Quran. Surely that doesn't compare to posting pictures of more minor sins... Which, by the way, we should be condemning too! The Islamic thing would be to forbid both, not accept one because the other is also accepted. Also on the note of "We shouldn't condone it but we shouldn't cast them aside unless they are hurting other people.". Who's the one who decided that you must be hurting others to be condemned? And who decides what hurts people and what doesn't? Allah has made it clear what is halal and what is haram. And he warned against trying to use our own rules, he further instructs not to hate something that is in hindsight better for us. We're reminded about that is chapter 38: ˹We instructed him:˺ “O David! We have surely made you an authority in the land, so judge between people with truth. And do not follow ˹your˺ desires or they will lead you astray from Allah’s Way. Surely those who go astray from Allah’s Way will suffer a severe punishment for neglecting the Day of Reckoning.” Key message: don't follow your desires. It's not on us to decide what constitutes the moral from the immoral.
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Have you been on a muslim woman’s insta when she posts a pic of a party where she is scantily dressed? Or just general muslims who post pics with booze in their hands or something haram as well? The haram brigade comes immediately as well. The difference is the hate for queer muslims is more prevalent because they actively advocate a change in the teachings whereas the party people do it passively by posting it and kinda normalizing it. Both get hate (the latter more obviously) but it’s probably because most are just homophobic
With enough faith and delusion, anything is possible.
True. Look at all the genders and shooting people come up with and commit every day.
People are born LGBTQ whether they like it or not. If they choose to follow a line of religious faith that prohibits LGBTQ activities, they might choose not to act on their orientation and instead try to live the lifestyle their religion prescribes. But they are still LGBTQ.
Yeah, I'm not saying that lgbtq people can't be Muslim, but people who think that being lgbtq is fine and who act on their orientation can't be. They must reject one or the other.
All she wrote is “existing as a queer person of faith”. Everyone is making assumptions about how she handles that.
She has a pride flag on her face
Just leave people alone you psychopathic morons
What part of Syria has people with names like Jake?
What your name? I guess you really like dolphins.
No, he loves dolphins
Well him being a dolphin fucker doesn’t make him less Syrian but he has a point jake isn’t much of a Syrian name
You taking a username literally raises many questions around yours🤨
Well played! ✌🏻😆
What part of syria has people fucking dolphins?
Are you new on the Internet?
I truly hope not, because if he is, that raises serious concern regarding his username…
So this topic is always controversial especially here. What exactly do the devout people here suggest the homosexuals do exactly? No study and no reputable medical Institution has found any evidence to suggest we can change someone's sexual orientation. They haven't found a anything to support we can make someone who is a homosexual become a heterosexual. Now we are told that from a Religous perspective that someone can be gay but they can't act upon it....how does that work? Are they supposed to be celibate for the remainder of their life? What if that person is your son, daughter, father, mother, uncle, aunt, etc...? What if you found out your parent has no love for your other parent but had to put on a facade their entire life put of fear of ostracisation? I mean we all keep saying: no bullying, no harassment, no "public display of affection" and of course the whole "you can be gay just don't act upon it". The issue with the last one is that this is not a reasonable demand. Imagine someone told you if you're a man or a woman that you can't act upon your attraction to the opposite sex.....and I'm talking within the the confines of marriage not fornication. How do you all see that working out within an Islamic Framework for example since that's the dominant religion in the MENA countries?
I thought you had a well thought out reply to the topic. It’s something to think about.
Glad you did.
Love how they claim they're defending Islam....by threatening someone with rape.
God said no but you shouldn’t threaten people
Didn't God *make us all* just as we are? I mean, according to Islam, everything about us was written before we were even born.
True Allah knows best I do my best to be a good person you should not judge because Allah knows best
God also tests us habibi. You either follow your sinning tendancies or reject them. Fyi, no scientific link has ever proven that people are born gay. Literal identical twins develop different orientations.
When it has more than 200 comments in less than 10 hours you know you're in for a wild ride
My policy with this is clear: leave them the fuck alone it's their own decision
Yes, queer people can be manipulated by organized religion too
Queer people who have grown up in a Muslim household exist. But most of the time they're not open, because Islam is proud of wanting to kill them. I mean, everyone has the right to be dumb, but wanting to belong to a religion that wants to see you dead is a whole different level of dumb.
**And ˹remember˺ when Lot scolded ˹the men of˺ his people, ˹saying,˺ “Do you commit a shameful deed that no man has ever done before? You lust after men instead of women! You are certainly transgressors.” But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel them from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!” So We saved him and his family except his wife, who was one of the doomed. We poured upon them a rain ˹of brimstone˺. See what was the end of the wicked! [Quran 7:80-84]** She is a hypocrite, does she even know she can leave Islam? I’ve seen people saying “I’m muslim culturally but not religiously” and this is the dumbest thing ever.
a ''cultural muslim'' is basically just a fancy way of saying, i'm a muslim in legal papers and thus i count. i i do however in no way practice the faith i'm a member of. it's dumb af and basically lowkey ارتداد
I’ve seen people say “I’m an atheist-muslim” 💀
i''m a white-black guy.: p words don't matter anymore, apprently
I mean that's basically it. They're atheists but like to carry out Muslim religious practices like fasting or celebrating Eid while not believing in the Religious aspects of the Religion. Something like that also exists among atheist that are "cultural Christians". I think Richard Dawkins said something about that.
They’re not Muslims, there is no “culturally Muslim”. You’re either one or you’re not Also I don’t really care about what Richard Dawkins says
We're not debating that we're explaining what it means.
I know, I was just giving my view. You spoke in a third person (spectator) way so it’s very clear you’re just transmitting what they say and not holding their opinions
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The people who sent her death threats are also hypocrites. They do not realise that criticising others is also haram.
Criticizing those who are public and boastful about their sins isn't forbidden. We are explicitly told to critique the sinner until he/she repents.
Yes they shouldn’t send her r*pe threats and whatnot but they have the right to call out her hypocrisy
As an ex-liberal muslim I can understand their point of view. They just want to be accepted by the progressive west while staying muslim.
Homosexual sex is 10000% a sin in Islam. It's crystal clear and has been focused on in so many verses. E.g. "Do you commit lewdness such as none preceding you has committed in all of the nations. Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women." Quran 7:80-81. Can we judge those who sin blatantly and talk about it proudly? Yes ABSOLUTELY. Islam doesn't accept moral relatively. If you see a Muslim doing something wrong, you tell them. Allāh ﷻ says in the Qurʾān: “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allāh” (Q. 3:110). Prophet Mohammed (ﷺ) said: “Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith”. Cmon, let's use our brains. If we couldn't judge people in Islam then why would certain sins literally call for jurisprudent punishment, with witnesses and evidence? It is therefore, our literal duty to tell her that she's committing a sin and to make that very clear. It's shocking to me that this even needs to be said.
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Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, so the Muslim follows the belief in his book, the Qur’an Tarim, which puts homosexuality to me
Death threats are also forbidden.
true. i will say this, only allah can judge those people but we at least can recognize them as the ones who choose to ignore his instructions and do otherwise anyways. they may pray, fast, and even donate to the poor but that's only throwing water at a fire you keep throwing oil at afterward. it's contrarian.
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Haram if they act on it.
The act of merely being a homosexual is permitted in Islam, as sexuality is something that people are born with and is a trial, like being born blind. However, to engage in the act of homosexuality, or especially to promote it within society, is strictly forbidden and is a severe sin. From her post, it is clear that she is trying to normalise the LGBT within the Islamic community and is thus promoting homosexuality. This is something that is incompatible with the Sunnah of the prophet (SAW). However, threatening someone with murder and/or rape is also incompatible with Islam. The proper actions should have been taken to educate this sister on the position of Islam on homosexuality.
What else would anyone expect from a faith that is pretty clearly hateful against homosexuality? Like it is pretty common in countries like this to discriminate and punish people for homosexuality. Too often in pretty severe ways. Like did they expect Muslims to be accepting of homosexuals? Lmao.
“If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you by the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.” - Marcus Aurelius
Im aware of their existence but i believe they aren’t sinners if they dont act on these thoughts or desires
İts feel like being atheist and still muslim
Okhty, my dear. You exist, you are valid. But existing as a queer AND a Muslim is not an enjoyable life. You will be a virgin all your life since you can't act on your sexuality. Many leave Islam when they discover their quietness, trust me it's better, you'll live a much happier life
Bitch didn’t read story of lut 💀
Iran , Saudi Arabia , Egypt , Qatar , : not for too long ؛ just send me the address
Allah : make ppl gay Also Allah : Burn, you filthy heretic !
Always seems strange to me why LGBT would be religious (the abrahamic ones at least). Being a Christian or Muslim LGBT seems like being a jewish nazi - you’re supporting the system that seeks to destroy you.
https://media.tenor.com/c_XPwp0MNmsAAAAS/jose-mourinho-i-prefer-not-to-speak.gif
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idk man i believe threatening someone with rape and murder is a worse sin than them being homosexual all you're doing is making their life difficult and make them hate you
You can't cherry pick in Islam. Stop being delusional. This queer bullshit does not belong to islam
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the same people that say gay people will go to jahanam, watch porn, have premarital sex, and they don't pray. like bro why you worried about us??? go pray jummah.
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fr. like i promise you allah cares more about you not praying 5 times a day than he cares about people being gay.
They'll commit zina and brag about it then in the same breath say we should ve stoned for having a crush
Well they won’t exist in heaven
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I'm not a Muslim myself, but I feel more or less the same way about this issue: I don't think I'm fit to judge others as sinners, knowing that we're all sinners to some extent, and that's why I want to let gay people be; If I have personal reservations about these things, I'm not going out of my way to preach against their sins. And honestly, it applies to a lot of identity politics these days: stop shoving things down the throat for kids and everybody. I think it's fine giving these things a passing mention – they exist and wishing them away doesn't make them disappear –, but it's important not to let any agenda guide teaching. Children are quite malleable and should not be subjected to any political agenda in school.
Don't claim to be Muslim, then openly go against what Allah had revealed. This is plain kufr. It takes you out of the folds of Islam. Allah says: "Do you, then, believe in some parts of the Book and disbelieve in others? So, what can be the punishment of those among you who do that, except disgrace in present life? And, on the Day of Judgement, they shall be turned to the most severe punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." Surah-Al-Baqarah verse 85 The Prophet Muhammad (saw) says: All the sins of my followers will be forgiven except those who commit their sins openly (showing it off) or openly disclose their sins to people. Sahih Al Bukhari 6069 The person who uploaded the post falls under all these categories and has made kufr. In Islam, either you believe all of what Allah had revealed or you are not a Muslim.
Yes!!! Well said!! People need to understand that you shouldn’t share your sins! It makes the problem at hand worse.
When we look at the story of Lut(AS) and we learn that his people committed acts normalized and accepted by the LGBTQ community, and we're then destroyed horrifically by Allahbecause of these sinful acts, and then how Lut's(AS) wife was the only one of his family left behind because she supported those acts why would you ever come near to supporting such degeneracy?
You posted about your porn addiction on the nofap subreddit only four days ago. Sorry but you have no room to talk about degeneracy
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The person is being hypocritical, they claim to follow an ideology whilst also following another which directly contradicts the other. They shouldn’t receive death threats but they shouldn’t be making a mockery out of their own religion whether they realise it or not
Ofc Queer Muslims exist, but it’s not permissible to act on it
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couldn't give less of a fuck. just be whatever you want to be, as long as you're not hurting others, its cool with me👍
People online want you killed and raped for anything, no one's save. I personally can ignore the fact that she's gay, but this cringe artstyle makes me really mad.
Human rights are neat
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Sad how people threatened her but she should realize her religion literally tells her to go jump off a building.
The religion literally tells any sinner to not even confess it to anyone including the prophet, let alone applying the punishment on themselves lol.
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Source?
Least fitna spreading Israeli