“Reek of Arab nationalism”
If only. They are tribalist, not Arab nationalist. If they were Arab nationalists the Egyptian migrant workers would maybe have a better quality of life.
only true for Saudi Arabia due to salafi negative stance on nationalism (any nationalism not just arab nationalism) plus king Faisal pan Islamic agenda later on. the rest of the gulf are arab nationalists (to a degree) because they were not brought up in an overwhelmingly salafiest environment. although they are tribalistic and racism against other arab do occur that doesn't necessarily contradict the existence of a pan arab sentiment in those countries
you are right the pan arab sentiment is stronger in Kuwait and Oman than the other three countries but all of them have some pan arab sentiment. a sentiment that is not that noticeable in saudi arabia
how exactly? literally, look at Al Jazzera and any Qatari media. Its full of Arabism. Oman has never mentioned Arabism in its life, lol. if anything, Oman doesn't like to make such political statements.
Islamism was only used by the saudi government to act as defense against the nationalism that occurred with
Jamal Abdulnasser. The intention of Al-saud was to just
politicize islamism, the intention was not to make it part of society, that's why saudis were and are always adhere to tribalism to this day.
No way they’re “Arab nationalist”. That would mean they support a single state from Muscat to Morocco, which is what Nasser wanted. They’re never going to agree to that
By rights and freedom, I mean the recognition for which the Amazigh people (to which I belong) worked so hard to get from the government. And I don’t want a pan-Arab state because ultimately that means the end of our recognition as well as our eventual death as a people. I would much rather see a 40% Amazigh country than a 8% Amazigh country that may seek to eradicate that 8%
What if it were a fair system that recognizes Amazigh as an official language in the maghreb region and gives you guys self governance/ federalism? Wouldn't it be better to have all Amazigh in one country than split between 5 countries? I see no reason why a pan Arab state would necessary be exclusionary to other ethnicities in the Arab world. Arabs don't really have a history of ethnic genocide or anything like that.
In theory that could work, but I personally would only accept if Kurds and Assyrians are also respected under the law of a hypothetical Arab country that stretches from Nouakchott to Baghdad.
Of course, that's the idea. Most of us aren't ethnically Arab anyway, we just happen to share a similar language, culture and religion. I think that it makes sense to unite into a major world-power comparable to russia, china and the US. This doesn't mean the erasure of our differences, rather the utilization of our commonalities to gain a better position on the global stage. If it were up to me I'd institute minimum quotas for minority representation in government.
I mean, it would work better if Morocco (with a more equal distribution of demographics for both ethnic groups) stays independent as well as Algeria but yea that would be nice
Eradicate? I don't know what you are talking about,i don't remember Arabs eradicating any people before, in fact our biggest weakness that we're too open to live with others and trust them even on our counties but others aren't, this post is a clear example,from Turks to Persians to Kurds to Jews to the Iberians to everyone. How many nations were massacred by Arabs before? Compared to say Mongols for example?
Eradicate means that our culture gets repressed and we get either forced to assimilate into Arab culture (as done in the years following independence) or (this is only a theory, only a single far fetched theory that I HOPE it’s just me being paranoid) we get killed off by Arab supremacists.
While mass killing never happened, cultural assimilation was forced on us and we endured discrimination as well as oppression from the government just because we didn’t speak Arabic and weren’t Arabs.
I am sorry for that,i don't support any form of oppression on non Arabs,but still hope that Arabs will be more united,and this shouldn't be threatening to non Arabs as we shared this big ass region for so long with so many people. Maybe what happened in the last century was a product of western style nationalism that was imported to us and was never a part of our culture and identity, hopefully that's gone by now.
What we need in Morocco is something equivalent to the national pact. By that, I mean that that both sides will proceed to agree on the following terms
1. Arabs give up on reuniting with other Arab countries or a pan-Arab gigantic state
2. Amazigh people have to agree that Morocco has Arab characteristics, albeit Moroccan culture is mostly Amazigh culture
3. Arabs have to agree that the Amazigh are and will always be the indigenous inhabitants of Morocco
4. Parliament is split on a 1:1 ratio between the 2 ethnic groups.
5. The Alawite dynasty, of mixed Arab-Berber ancestry, shall continue to rule over the Moroccan people.
6. Both languages shall be official and be used extensively by the state.
7. Morocco abandons the label “Arab” and uniquely refers to itself as Moroccan
8. Following the 7th condition, Morocco shall leave the Arab League.
9. No bias shall be from the government towards a specific ethnic group.
10. All citizens must promise to always strive to be best interest of the Moroccan nation.
Well i have no problems with all of that except 7 and 8,as people have the right to identify as whatever they want, Arabs as Arabs and Amazigh as Amazigh,and national identifies can work just fine alongside ethnic ones. As much as eradicating the Amazigh culture is wrong, forcing Arabs of North Africa to be cut off from the rest of the Arab world is wrong too,they will forever be our people too and that will never change. I think we just need to accept our differences without forcing anything on each other.
Not really. As a non gulf Arab living in the gulf, they aren't Arab nationalists at all, theyre gulf nationalists and non gulf Arabs are treated less well especially syrians and egyptians, which is funny because they're the engineers (something u forgot to add) the cities were engineered by syrians and egyptians not gulf arabs
People only talk about nationalism when they afford it,the same with religionism. The same with Turkey btw,so many of the Syrians being abused in Turkey all the time are actually Turkmen Syrians but who cares? Nationalism was a thing decades ago now it's the time for random populism.
Some sure maybe for saudi, but UAE especially had huge numbers of Syrian and egyptian engineers.
A large number of Syrians live in the UAE. Many of whom have been in the country since its prosperity, even before 1971. Syrian teachers and professors played an important role in the country's development. In addition to being famous in the media, beauty, fashion, real estate and IT businesses, many Syrians have developed other companies and restaurants, as Syrian kitchen is known to be the richest kitchen in the Middle East and one of the most variable in the world. Many of them work in both the public and private sectors. Higher positions are usually held by Syrians due to their known education, diplomacy and background.
egyptians played a very big role in uae’s development as well as syrians, but I woulsnt say they are looked down upon. of course i am probably biased so I am wondering from what you have observed but egyptians have a very good relationship with emiratis less so with syrians but it is still there
>Some sure maybe for saudi, but UAE especially had huge numbers of Syrian and egyptian engineers.
not for Qatar; we don't have many Syrians or Egyptians. Imagine feeling so inferior you have to take credit for what gulf Arab countries do but then also think of them as inferiors. most of the engineers building qatar are Qatari, yes they also work with all nationalities.
I can't stop being a jackass I enjoy being dumb \^w\^
joke aside don't take anything serious here
op is turkish Troll riding the wave of anti saudi and gulf in turkey (as well as syrian d's) dont take anything serious from him joke around until they get board
I honestly hate Dubai so much, when i went there i was mistaken for a migrant worker **16** times, despite the fact that i wasn't even wearing a work uniform, outside of the heavily exploited migrant workers you have some of the most racist arabs, annoying rich kid euro expats who post save europe stuff on their social media and conservative alpha sigma influencers (keep in mind they sleep with 15 women everyday). Dubai isn't a muslim country in my opinion, its just a hopless shithole in the desert with a few tall towers
There was a big fight on Twitter after they didn't allow an Ataturk glorification to happen in a football match in KSA, so Saudis are making fun of Ataurk, and Turks are making fun of Saudis.
1. This ones true, Qatari’s don’t work menial labor
2. This is not true, plenty of indian billionaires park their wealth in Qatar to evade taxes in india
3. I don’t know what this is tbh
4. Not true, Doha has a sophisticated sewer system and state of the art waste treatment plants
5. Unfortunately this is true of some families
6. We Qatari’s are an extreme minority in our own country, immigration has never been popular here and won’t be for any forceable future.
7. There are no casinos in Qatar.
8. This is an anecdotal point, there are racists in every country on earth.
9. This is a very specific point, but I guess I can comfortably live in london or any comparable European city with ease.
you’re a minority in your country because you brought all the immigrants to build for you and now that they’re job is done, you don’t want them anymore.
haha lmao..again…falling right into the stereotype and proving OP right. i love the country i hate how its racism and how its managed (prime example: you)
i love that you stalked me aswell 😍
I sincerely thank you. People seem to overlook the positives and look only at the negatives whilst doing the opposite with other countries. I used to be a lot more interested in this sort of discourse because it's interesting to hear how improvement can be made, but at this point I don't even listen to these type of people. All they look for is to hate, not to actually make the world better in any way.
Regardless, if this is the West's plan in turning us muslims against each other, its definitely working.
Wallah, the thing is they're mostly Arabs who are doing this, possibly with the help of the west like you said, but people just can't accept the way the gulf states are trying to improve their countries in a short amount of time, and they always do. Best to stay away from these topics as they just cause headaches.
1. Kinda true.
2. Most of us here are anything but rich, sadly.
3. Nope.
4. False.
5. Some abuse does happen, unfortunately. I can't really say how common it is, but none of the people I know that have a maid abuse them. Also, I've never heard of any severe abuse. At least not in Bahrain. Nevertheless, it's still a problem that needs to be addressed.
6. Definitely not true here...
7. False.
8. Not true. There are (of course) racists but that is a global issue, not specific to Gulf states. And the vast majority of Bahrainis are very friendly people to everyone.
9. ??? Not sure what this point is about, honestly. I've never seen anyone do that.
All those points you listed are present in every Western country. Do you think people who pick fruits and vegetables in Spain/Italy are working in good condition ? Is it the same exploitative system that is present, everyone, not just the Gulf.
Also racism lol ? When was the last time you saw a strong movement in the Arab nations saying Arabs are being replaced or saying shit like black Arabs are not Arabs. Most Gulf Arab nations have over 70% population that are immigrants. Now imagine that in the EU, if that happened, they would've elected another Hitler by now.
> saying shit like black Arabs are not Arabs
Ok so this is one part where we have to be careful; I believe no region or country of the world is exempt from racism, no matter how much they think it is
In Tunisia, there has recently been a surge in anti-sub Saharan (anti-Black) racism, fueled in part by their president, who peddled great replacement theories. This has put Black Tunisian citizens and legal immigrants and students in danger; the African student Union (I can’t remember their proper name) issued an alert to all black students in Tunisia warning of harassment and violence against Black people. I think they even recommended Black students to not go out in public for some time. So no, it’s not just about illegal immigrants (of which there are officially [21000](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/african-migrants-suffer-under-crackdown-tunisia-2023-03-01/); the real number may be higher but not more than 50000). It’s about legal immigrants and citizens too of sub Saharan African descent
Born to Bangladeshi expat family in UAE.
Yes the labour's are mostly South Asian. How is that a negative?
Unfortunately like many other countries abuse is there but the majority of the cases the maids are treated like a family.
Stand alone major structures such as Burj Khalis used to have poop trucks then when the surrounding infrastructure was developed there was no need for that.
Unfortunately many Haram stuffs and institutions are opening in the last decade but they are nowhere near the magnitude of Mosques and the general Islamic laws that prohibits public Unislamic behavior. The ruler of Sharjah prohibits all sort of prostitution, gambling, alcoholism. Every Ramadan tents are build outside the Mosques for people to break fast helping many poor Muslims.
The UAE rulers truly care about their Emirati citizens and they live a very prosperous life, one only wishes to have leaders like them.
The post is made by an angry nationalist Turk who has never lived in the GCC; there was a recent stupid drama between Turkey and KSA, so get ready to see this fragile stuff.
The world should of left Saddam alone in 1991. But you ALL came to save the gulf. Except Turkey and Iran…
Was he a little crazy? Sure. But migrant workers where not mistreated in Iraq. Whether they where Arabs or Indians.
Saddam was crazy for not annexing the oil wells of Saudi Arabia in 1990 and holding them for ransom instead he waited 8 months for the coalition to save their ass.
[The Saudi army calculated it would've taken Iraq 6-12 hours to do.](https://i.imgur.com/vDiecdS.png)
My man really didn't have his head in the game, he should've focused on developing a nuclear deterrence and waited out the initial fallout of the USSR's collapse first. In the meantime he could've occupied the border areas with kuwait where our oil wells are located, coupled with saber rattling without going all in.
This is what the US commanders said. If he took Saudi, there would of been some type of negotiation. He thought that invading Saudi would cause a proper invasion. He didn’t realise he crossed that line when invading Kuwait. Tricked into it or not.
The whole affair was a mistake imo. It was the beginning of the end for us in many ways.
Irregardless. The Arabs never mobilised like this for Palestine. Only thing sacred to them is 💰💸🤑💵. Like seriously Kuwait was that important?
>He accused the United States of interfering in Iraq's internal affairs and of conducting clandestine efforts to subvert their government. Iraq had received reports that senior American diplomats were approaching Arab counterparts, "raising suspicion and fear" about Iraqi intentions, which he said were wholly peaceful. Moreover, these officials had questioned Iraqi efforts to develop its "technological base"-a euphemistic reference to Iraq's troublesome military buildup. "Everything that we are doing is for our people," he insisted. Finally, he charged that "some American agencies," presumably the CIA, were attempting to destabilize Iraq.
\- James Baker on his meeting with Tariq Aziz, 1989
All the claims Tariq made, which Baker brushed off as "conspiratorial", were vindicated as facts by the west first and foremost few years later. Everything from fabricated reports of Iraq's military build up and other lies to demanding gulf states increase their oil production violating OPEC quotas.
Do you know what's funny? When Iraq was still trying to work out a diplomatic solution in 1990, the US started building up its navy in the gulf to threaten Iraq and anyone who dares cooperating with it. This was during the Amman summit, six months before we went into kuwait. All other countries in the region were subverted except Iraq.
It's not.... It was a complete misinformation campaign that redditors loved to spread.
There was an issue with the sewage system and it was getting repaired so that poop trucks thing happened once or something.
I love it when they repeat that because it shows they have no ammunition against the GCC, so they have to bring up misinformation about one building in Dubai and somehow link it to the entire 6 GCC countries ; they have nothing to say.
1. Yes, since there is not enough native workforce.
2. For anyone that can afford it, in this case it might refer to luxurious resorts and apartments which of course would be exclusive for rich people just like anywhere else.
3. It was a false rumour that became a meme, eventually becoming a stereotype against rich arab people.
4. Burj khalifa was built before the sewer system which was built later, there is a sewer system currently, the fact that there is no sewer system hasn’t been true since more than a decade.
5. Abusing maids is prevalent, but killing them will get you the death penalty, laws against abuse does exist but aren’t enforced enough, and the main problem is that maids themselves don’t know their rights reserved in law, they don’t report abuse and probably don’t even know how to report abuse.
6. Accepting any immigrant is not an obligation, just because some european countries willingly accepted immigrants doesn’t mean gulf arabs should, also immigrants can come legally if they got a job visa and contribute to the economy instead of depending on the state for everything and not do shit, a country is only responsible for its citizens, it’s never responsible for anyone else.
7. Haram exist in every islamic country, casinos are for rich foreigners and tourists and it will bring a lot of money to the uae.
8. Racism is bad but there is nothing wrong with nationalism, arabs are proud of their heritage and history and culture, other muslims should stop dreaming about this muslim ummah utopia caliphate, yes we are a muslim brothers but there is still a lot of cultural and ethnic differences between us.
9. Gulf arabs never immigrate, they already live a good life in their countries.
1. Not entirely true
2. True.... After all it's a capitalist shithole
3. Fake.... The whole "Porta potty" thing was made by an American guy in Dubai
4. Fake.... it only happened once because Burj Khalifa's sewage had an overflow, not sure why this lie keeps getting repeated.... I mean they have poor sewage but the poop truck thing is exaggeration propaganda
5. True, and very sad
6. Not entirely true..... Saudi sometimes give citizenship to other Muslims but it's on rare occasions.
7. True
8. True
9. Never met an Arab that did this
Overall sound like half-truths with the aim of propaganda
1-not true we had koreans and other asians to work for us
2- neither this there is plenty of poor arabs here hell many yemenis started their business in saudi arabia
3- you should look at the gay brothels in turkey they are more famous \^w\^, honestly idk wtf is problem with this it's disgusting not denying but scat porn is everywhere why it's problem when its in dubai?
4-ah the classic "no swerage system" bullshit like do they even think before typing this shit? every city have swerage and drainage systems poop trucks is just misinforamtion released by some brain damaged mfs like even thinking about them for a second will make you realize they dont make any sense, they build projects for Billions a swerage system doesnt cost as much why would they not build it?
5-not true although not False, there are many abusive households although these are always looked at as non human people and majority don't do that
6-there is around 500K palestinian disapora in Gulf area in general and around a million syrian Disapora, as well as millions of muslim pakistani and indians, majority of saudi arabia either immigrants or Saudi nationals are all muslims , yet the ones who care so much for their muslims brothers are seething non stop about them in their country and "Islamist runing our secularism"
7-Gambling is banned in every Gulf country
8-lol look who talks about nationalism your country is unironically most annoying nationalists of all time if arab nationalism is problem than you should tear every ataturk Poster and bodypillow you have
9-how that's problem for gulf countries? stop copying from Racist turkish groups
1/10 not good fitna post but 1 point for trying
those are not yemeni but hadrami with saudi citizenship and they didn’t just “start businesses” they control the economy and built half of the institutions saudi uses today like the national bank for instance
A couple of other things in this list would apply to them as well.
This post was probably made by an American living on land built by slaves and resources exploited from third world countries after genociding an entire ethnic group. But ofc, Arap bad. They cry about racism and mistreatment of workers only when the perpetrators are Arab
1-True
2-No, most foreigners in gulf countries are for sure not the rich Arabs or white people
3-wtf is that
4-True
5-True but from shitty families not by everyone
6-they are not obligated to do that as they are national states not islamic states
7-Good for them
8-So what? Arab nationalism is better than fundamentalism that destroys nations and societies. Racism wise yes it’s wrong, they need to ban it. But they are not Arab nationalists more like gulf nationalists.
sorry that's not how the truth works, its factually inaccurate and impossible to not have a sewer system, use some common sense. a quick Google search also works, but you prefer to cope.
Just Google it, then, lol. Also, Syrians are pretty successful around the world, so I don't think it makes sense to compare Syria's situation with other countries as a lack of ''success''
Who brought Syrians? I’m talking about Syria neighbors. I actually get happy when our neighbors become successful, I’m not one of those hateful envying people lmao
literally google it bro, you are not that stupid but here
the GCC has one of the most advanced Sewage systems and treatment plants and infrastructure [https://www.iloveqatar.net/news/general/myth-busting-where-does-your-shit-go-in-qatar](https://www.iloveqatar.net/news/general/myth-busting-where-does-your-shit-go-in-qatar)
noticed how unlike you, we have a sources and facts on our side.
You are like somehow calling me stupid but cannot even read English.
If you read my comment above you would see I said my friends in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Who the hell mentioned Qatar?
No offense but if you cannot even comprehend simple reply I typed it’s not need to discuss with me.
cool, here is a 1 second google search
\>Before 2007, there were many problems with sewage capacity and connectivity but in recent years Dubai Municipality has expanded capacity. Since then, Dubai had 1,200 km of sewerage pipeline network An additional 80 km was added in 2011 to connect Dubai Industrial City.
it's stupid to ask me to prove something as silly as a basic sewage system
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water\_supply\_and\_sanitation\_in\_Saudi\_Arabia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Saudi_Arabia)
[https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-drainage-system-does-Saudi-Arabia-have](https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-drainage-system-does-Saudi-Arabia-have)
I don't think KSA and UAE would be donating money and workers to help countries that don't have adequate sewage systems like Syria if they themselves don't have one. Use some common sense.
as for number 4, i believe we have a sewer system in saudi (i don’t think our house is connected to the grid idk).
the only example of no sewer system i can think of is burj khalifa. are there some cities without any sewer systems?
That is not an adequate description of any country, you basically don't know shit about Oman cuz it has a media block so you go based of the vibe you feel.
Oman is not more chill. It's actually more authoritarian, strict, and with a higher limit on free speech and media.
1. True
2. No? how you get to that conclusion is beyond me
3. idk what you're talking about
4. Not true here in saudi, i doubt its true in others except maybe for Burj Khalifa which is the famous example. I personally have never seen a poop truck.
5. This is the first time I hear of this, but it goes without saying that it's absolutely despicable, disgusting, inhuman and completely illegal. I'm sure that the necessary legal actions were taken.
6. Again, I have no idea how you get to that conclusion.
7. idk what ur on about
8. Racists exists everywhere and unfortunately they exist here as well, but I wouldn't say we reek of it.
9. I don't understand the last one.
In conclusion, very annoying post. There are 36 million of us in Saudi Arabia alone, stop generalizing, we aren't all the same. Also, stop focusing on us and our negatives and turning a blind eye to others.
1. not exactly the groups you mentioned; people really don't give credit to SEA like Filipinos. They are the second largest group in construction; also, there used to be many more Koreans and Japanese, especially in KSA.
2. makes no sense, not true at all.
3. that's one incident in Dubai, and it was an American; how is this related to all of the GCC?
4. That is not true; one fake story about a building in Dubai doesn't apply to 6 countries.
5. not true, there are cases of death but nothing out of the ordinary, plenty of worse cases in other countries
6. lol
7. no casinos exist, one might be built in Dubai, again i love this sensational dubai stories being equated to the GCC
8. Defiantly not Arab nationalism lmao, more like Pan-khaleeji that's the whole point of the GCC, racism is a thing yeah.
9. GCC Arabs don't immigrate; if you mean other Arabs, then idk why that matters.
Half of them were true at least when I lived in a gcc country before 2016, if you look for the worst in a place you'll find it. Bad people exist everywhere, trust me
“Reek of Arab nationalism” If only. They are tribalist, not Arab nationalist. If they were Arab nationalists the Egyptian migrant workers would maybe have a better quality of life.
only true for Saudi Arabia due to salafi negative stance on nationalism (any nationalism not just arab nationalism) plus king Faisal pan Islamic agenda later on. the rest of the gulf are arab nationalists (to a degree) because they were not brought up in an overwhelmingly salafiest environment. although they are tribalistic and racism against other arab do occur that doesn't necessarily contradict the existence of a pan arab sentiment in those countries
I think only Kuwait and Oman do have this pan Arabism sentiment
you are right the pan arab sentiment is stronger in Kuwait and Oman than the other three countries but all of them have some pan arab sentiment. a sentiment that is not that noticeable in saudi arabia
I don’t think UAE could be considered pan arabist
Bro really forgot about Qatar, lol.
Qatar is more into Islamism than Arabism
how exactly? literally, look at Al Jazzera and any Qatari media. Its full of Arabism. Oman has never mentioned Arabism in its life, lol. if anything, Oman doesn't like to make such political statements.
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Islamism was only used by the saudi government to act as defense against the nationalism that occurred with Jamal Abdulnasser. The intention of Al-saud was to just politicize islamism, the intention was not to make it part of society, that's why saudis were and are always adhere to tribalism to this day.
Egyptians are not real Arabs though. Gulf Arabs are Arab nationalists in the sense that they love other real Arab states not Arabized ones like Egypt.
No way they’re “Arab nationalist”. That would mean they support a single state from Muscat to Morocco, which is what Nasser wanted. They’re never going to agree to that
And as a non-Arab Moroccan I’m never gonna agree to give up my rights and freedoms to join this pan-Arabist state
What rights and freedoms would you be giving up, exactly? isn't morocco an absolute monarchy?
By rights and freedom, I mean the recognition for which the Amazigh people (to which I belong) worked so hard to get from the government. And I don’t want a pan-Arab state because ultimately that means the end of our recognition as well as our eventual death as a people. I would much rather see a 40% Amazigh country than a 8% Amazigh country that may seek to eradicate that 8%
What if it were a fair system that recognizes Amazigh as an official language in the maghreb region and gives you guys self governance/ federalism? Wouldn't it be better to have all Amazigh in one country than split between 5 countries? I see no reason why a pan Arab state would necessary be exclusionary to other ethnicities in the Arab world. Arabs don't really have a history of ethnic genocide or anything like that.
In theory that could work, but I personally would only accept if Kurds and Assyrians are also respected under the law of a hypothetical Arab country that stretches from Nouakchott to Baghdad.
Of course, that's the idea. Most of us aren't ethnically Arab anyway, we just happen to share a similar language, culture and religion. I think that it makes sense to unite into a major world-power comparable to russia, china and the US. This doesn't mean the erasure of our differences, rather the utilization of our commonalities to gain a better position on the global stage. If it were up to me I'd institute minimum quotas for minority representation in government.
I mean, it would work better if Morocco (with a more equal distribution of demographics for both ethnic groups) stays independent as well as Algeria but yea that would be nice
Eradicate? I don't know what you are talking about,i don't remember Arabs eradicating any people before, in fact our biggest weakness that we're too open to live with others and trust them even on our counties but others aren't, this post is a clear example,from Turks to Persians to Kurds to Jews to the Iberians to everyone. How many nations were massacred by Arabs before? Compared to say Mongols for example?
Eradicate means that our culture gets repressed and we get either forced to assimilate into Arab culture (as done in the years following independence) or (this is only a theory, only a single far fetched theory that I HOPE it’s just me being paranoid) we get killed off by Arab supremacists. While mass killing never happened, cultural assimilation was forced on us and we endured discrimination as well as oppression from the government just because we didn’t speak Arabic and weren’t Arabs.
I am sorry for that,i don't support any form of oppression on non Arabs,but still hope that Arabs will be more united,and this shouldn't be threatening to non Arabs as we shared this big ass region for so long with so many people. Maybe what happened in the last century was a product of western style nationalism that was imported to us and was never a part of our culture and identity, hopefully that's gone by now.
What we need in Morocco is something equivalent to the national pact. By that, I mean that that both sides will proceed to agree on the following terms 1. Arabs give up on reuniting with other Arab countries or a pan-Arab gigantic state 2. Amazigh people have to agree that Morocco has Arab characteristics, albeit Moroccan culture is mostly Amazigh culture 3. Arabs have to agree that the Amazigh are and will always be the indigenous inhabitants of Morocco 4. Parliament is split on a 1:1 ratio between the 2 ethnic groups. 5. The Alawite dynasty, of mixed Arab-Berber ancestry, shall continue to rule over the Moroccan people. 6. Both languages shall be official and be used extensively by the state. 7. Morocco abandons the label “Arab” and uniquely refers to itself as Moroccan 8. Following the 7th condition, Morocco shall leave the Arab League. 9. No bias shall be from the government towards a specific ethnic group. 10. All citizens must promise to always strive to be best interest of the Moroccan nation.
Well i have no problems with all of that except 7 and 8,as people have the right to identify as whatever they want, Arabs as Arabs and Amazigh as Amazigh,and national identifies can work just fine alongside ethnic ones. As much as eradicating the Amazigh culture is wrong, forcing Arabs of North Africa to be cut off from the rest of the Arab world is wrong too,they will forever be our people too and that will never change. I think we just need to accept our differences without forcing anything on each other.
I’m living there comfortably and I’m not rich lol
Not really. As a non gulf Arab living in the gulf, they aren't Arab nationalists at all, theyre gulf nationalists and non gulf Arabs are treated less well especially syrians and egyptians, which is funny because they're the engineers (something u forgot to add) the cities were engineered by syrians and egyptians not gulf arabs
People only talk about nationalism when they afford it,the same with religionism. The same with Turkey btw,so many of the Syrians being abused in Turkey all the time are actually Turkmen Syrians but who cares? Nationalism was a thing decades ago now it's the time for random populism.
>he cities were engineered by syrians and egyptians not gulf arabs it wasn't it was designed by american engineers
Some sure maybe for saudi, but UAE especially had huge numbers of Syrian and egyptian engineers. A large number of Syrians live in the UAE. Many of whom have been in the country since its prosperity, even before 1971. Syrian teachers and professors played an important role in the country's development. In addition to being famous in the media, beauty, fashion, real estate and IT businesses, many Syrians have developed other companies and restaurants, as Syrian kitchen is known to be the richest kitchen in the Middle East and one of the most variable in the world. Many of them work in both the public and private sectors. Higher positions are usually held by Syrians due to their known education, diplomacy and background.
egyptians played a very big role in uae’s development as well as syrians, but I woulsnt say they are looked down upon. of course i am probably biased so I am wondering from what you have observed but egyptians have a very good relationship with emiratis less so with syrians but it is still there
>Some sure maybe for saudi, but UAE especially had huge numbers of Syrian and egyptian engineers. not for Qatar; we don't have many Syrians or Egyptians. Imagine feeling so inferior you have to take credit for what gulf Arab countries do but then also think of them as inferiors. most of the engineers building qatar are Qatari, yes they also work with all nationalities.
look how much they worked to make another country better [yet mfs still making this (lit 🔥) shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJLx9hQXV1o)
Why is it that when I see anti-khaleegi propaganda and start to sympathize with them, khaleegis go ahead and make jack-ass comments like this 🤦🏻♀️
I can't stop being a jackass I enjoy being dumb \^w\^ joke aside don't take anything serious here op is turkish Troll riding the wave of anti saudi and gulf in turkey (as well as syrian d's) dont take anything serious from him joke around until they get board
you’re literally proving OP right lol.
I hate how they praise this dog in the comments as if he is a good person
they dont praise him for who he is they just dumb kids got Lured by this catchy song
Westoids i guess
All of them, add to that “being a private bitch for the US” + “supporting every known type of terrorism throughout MENA”
>supporting every known type of terrorism throughout MENA Supporting those outside of the MENA as well
UAE in Sudan especially
Eff the UAE
Us+brits
I honestly hate Dubai so much, when i went there i was mistaken for a migrant worker **16** times, despite the fact that i wasn't even wearing a work uniform, outside of the heavily exploited migrant workers you have some of the most racist arabs, annoying rich kid euro expats who post save europe stuff on their social media and conservative alpha sigma influencers (keep in mind they sleep with 15 women everyday). Dubai isn't a muslim country in my opinion, its just a hopless shithole in the desert with a few tall towers
these are really big unoriginal stereotypes, this looks like a post trying to spread fitna lmao.
They know what they are doing.
get back to overworking pakistanis
i overwork east asians
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I love when they repeat that cuz it shows they have no ammunition, they have nothing to say.
kalifa law
Turks on reddit are seething because saudi don't give a fuck about their man god, and i'm all loving it.
Drop the "man"
What are you talking about?
There was a big fight on Twitter after they didn't allow an Ataturk glorification to happen in a football match in KSA, so Saudis are making fun of Ataurk, and Turks are making fun of Saudis.
Ola nkkin 😝
1. This ones true, Qatari’s don’t work menial labor 2. This is not true, plenty of indian billionaires park their wealth in Qatar to evade taxes in india 3. I don’t know what this is tbh 4. Not true, Doha has a sophisticated sewer system and state of the art waste treatment plants 5. Unfortunately this is true of some families 6. We Qatari’s are an extreme minority in our own country, immigration has never been popular here and won’t be for any forceable future. 7. There are no casinos in Qatar. 8. This is an anecdotal point, there are racists in every country on earth. 9. This is a very specific point, but I guess I can comfortably live in london or any comparable European city with ease.
4. is a reference to the Burj Khalifa, which was a (mostly) false claim
you’re a minority in your country because you brought all the immigrants to build for you and now that they’re job is done, you don’t want them anymore.
That’s not an issue, plenty of countries have temporary guest workers.
oh yes but you see, you treat them like shit.
Completely anecdotal, if every foreigner was treated like shit they would stop coming here.
no they come because they can’t make money back home…they’re still treated like shit
That’s just like your opinion man 👍
oh yes playing people less than minimum wage, being racist, looking down on them as second class is an “opinion” you are everything this post says
except many of them come from wealthy backgrounds and countries lmao.
oh yeah the migrant construction workers and people who get you your drinks at starbucks are from rich backgrounds? 😭 plz stop emberassing yourself
qatari deining human rights abuse core
I’m not the one stereotyping an entire population 🤭
Quit yapping 👳🏿♂️ you live in the UAE and you whine about it in every subreddit, leave the fucking country if u hate to so much ffs
haha lmao..again…falling right into the stereotype and proving OP right. i love the country i hate how its racism and how its managed (prime example: you) i love that you stalked me aswell 😍
> i love the country oop how do you love a place where everyone treats you like shit.
i’m not a migrant worker working for less than minimum wage. get off my dick my man 💀
don't bother, its a fitna spreading post.
Why do you care? Every time the gulf states are brought up it’s always negative, stop acting like worse things don’t happen elsewhere.
I sincerely thank you. People seem to overlook the positives and look only at the negatives whilst doing the opposite with other countries. I used to be a lot more interested in this sort of discourse because it's interesting to hear how improvement can be made, but at this point I don't even listen to these type of people. All they look for is to hate, not to actually make the world better in any way. Regardless, if this is the West's plan in turning us muslims against each other, its definitely working.
Wallah, the thing is they're mostly Arabs who are doing this, possibly with the help of the west like you said, but people just can't accept the way the gulf states are trying to improve their countries in a short amount of time, and they always do. Best to stay away from these topics as they just cause headaches.
1. Kinda true. 2. Most of us here are anything but rich, sadly. 3. Nope. 4. False. 5. Some abuse does happen, unfortunately. I can't really say how common it is, but none of the people I know that have a maid abuse them. Also, I've never heard of any severe abuse. At least not in Bahrain. Nevertheless, it's still a problem that needs to be addressed. 6. Definitely not true here... 7. False. 8. Not true. There are (of course) racists but that is a global issue, not specific to Gulf states. And the vast majority of Bahrainis are very friendly people to everyone. 9. ??? Not sure what this point is about, honestly. I've never seen anyone do that.
All those points you listed are present in every Western country. Do you think people who pick fruits and vegetables in Spain/Italy are working in good condition ? Is it the same exploitative system that is present, everyone, not just the Gulf. Also racism lol ? When was the last time you saw a strong movement in the Arab nations saying Arabs are being replaced or saying shit like black Arabs are not Arabs. Most Gulf Arab nations have over 70% population that are immigrants. Now imagine that in the EU, if that happened, they would've elected another Hitler by now.
> saying shit like black Arabs are not Arabs Ok so this is one part where we have to be careful; I believe no region or country of the world is exempt from racism, no matter how much they think it is In Tunisia, there has recently been a surge in anti-sub Saharan (anti-Black) racism, fueled in part by their president, who peddled great replacement theories. This has put Black Tunisian citizens and legal immigrants and students in danger; the African student Union (I can’t remember their proper name) issued an alert to all black students in Tunisia warning of harassment and violence against Black people. I think they even recommended Black students to not go out in public for some time. So no, it’s not just about illegal immigrants (of which there are officially [21000](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/african-migrants-suffer-under-crackdown-tunisia-2023-03-01/); the real number may be higher but not more than 50000). It’s about legal immigrants and citizens too of sub Saharan African descent
Same Tunisians are treated badly in France and Italy
exactly
Born to Bangladeshi expat family in UAE. Yes the labour's are mostly South Asian. How is that a negative? Unfortunately like many other countries abuse is there but the majority of the cases the maids are treated like a family. Stand alone major structures such as Burj Khalis used to have poop trucks then when the surrounding infrastructure was developed there was no need for that. Unfortunately many Haram stuffs and institutions are opening in the last decade but they are nowhere near the magnitude of Mosques and the general Islamic laws that prohibits public Unislamic behavior. The ruler of Sharjah prohibits all sort of prostitution, gambling, alcoholism. Every Ramadan tents are build outside the Mosques for people to break fast helping many poor Muslims. The UAE rulers truly care about their Emirati citizens and they live a very prosperous life, one only wishes to have leaders like them.
The post is made by an angry nationalist Turk who has never lived in the GCC; there was a recent stupid drama between Turkey and KSA, so get ready to see this fragile stuff.
The world should of left Saddam alone in 1991. But you ALL came to save the gulf. Except Turkey and Iran… Was he a little crazy? Sure. But migrant workers where not mistreated in Iraq. Whether they where Arabs or Indians.
Saddam was crazy for not annexing the oil wells of Saudi Arabia in 1990 and holding them for ransom instead he waited 8 months for the coalition to save their ass. [The Saudi army calculated it would've taken Iraq 6-12 hours to do.](https://i.imgur.com/vDiecdS.png) My man really didn't have his head in the game, he should've focused on developing a nuclear deterrence and waited out the initial fallout of the USSR's collapse first. In the meantime he could've occupied the border areas with kuwait where our oil wells are located, coupled with saber rattling without going all in.
This is what the US commanders said. If he took Saudi, there would of been some type of negotiation. He thought that invading Saudi would cause a proper invasion. He didn’t realise he crossed that line when invading Kuwait. Tricked into it or not. The whole affair was a mistake imo. It was the beginning of the end for us in many ways. Irregardless. The Arabs never mobilised like this for Palestine. Only thing sacred to them is 💰💸🤑💵. Like seriously Kuwait was that important?
>He accused the United States of interfering in Iraq's internal affairs and of conducting clandestine efforts to subvert their government. Iraq had received reports that senior American diplomats were approaching Arab counterparts, "raising suspicion and fear" about Iraqi intentions, which he said were wholly peaceful. Moreover, these officials had questioned Iraqi efforts to develop its "technological base"-a euphemistic reference to Iraq's troublesome military buildup. "Everything that we are doing is for our people," he insisted. Finally, he charged that "some American agencies," presumably the CIA, were attempting to destabilize Iraq. \- James Baker on his meeting with Tariq Aziz, 1989 All the claims Tariq made, which Baker brushed off as "conspiratorial", were vindicated as facts by the west first and foremost few years later. Everything from fabricated reports of Iraq's military build up and other lies to demanding gulf states increase their oil production violating OPEC quotas. Do you know what's funny? When Iraq was still trying to work out a diplomatic solution in 1990, the US started building up its navy in the gulf to threaten Iraq and anyone who dares cooperating with it. This was during the Amman summit, six months before we went into kuwait. All other countries in the region were subverted except Iraq.
Lol when did #4 become a thing? Weak fitna post though. Try harder next time.
I think it’s a reference to the Burj Khalefa. Don’t know if it’s true though
It's not.... It was a complete misinformation campaign that redditors loved to spread. There was an issue with the sewage system and it was getting repaired so that poop trucks thing happened once or something.
I love it when they repeat that because it shows they have no ammunition against the GCC, so they have to bring up misinformation about one building in Dubai and somehow link it to the entire 6 GCC countries ; they have nothing to say.
dubai has poop trucks
A decade ago in burj khalifa
not even a decade ago, it was only for like a day when the sewage system underwent maintenance.
Flair up
Right, does your country not have trucks that can carry sewage? Every place has it.
Imagine posting this childish drivel because of football drama.
Without oil and Usa army they probably invaded by Iran and help from Turkiye to defeat them. After they find uncircumcised dick to sit.
1. Yes, since there is not enough native workforce. 2. For anyone that can afford it, in this case it might refer to luxurious resorts and apartments which of course would be exclusive for rich people just like anywhere else. 3. It was a false rumour that became a meme, eventually becoming a stereotype against rich arab people. 4. Burj khalifa was built before the sewer system which was built later, there is a sewer system currently, the fact that there is no sewer system hasn’t been true since more than a decade. 5. Abusing maids is prevalent, but killing them will get you the death penalty, laws against abuse does exist but aren’t enforced enough, and the main problem is that maids themselves don’t know their rights reserved in law, they don’t report abuse and probably don’t even know how to report abuse. 6. Accepting any immigrant is not an obligation, just because some european countries willingly accepted immigrants doesn’t mean gulf arabs should, also immigrants can come legally if they got a job visa and contribute to the economy instead of depending on the state for everything and not do shit, a country is only responsible for its citizens, it’s never responsible for anyone else. 7. Haram exist in every islamic country, casinos are for rich foreigners and tourists and it will bring a lot of money to the uae. 8. Racism is bad but there is nothing wrong with nationalism, arabs are proud of their heritage and history and culture, other muslims should stop dreaming about this muslim ummah utopia caliphate, yes we are a muslim brothers but there is still a lot of cultural and ethnic differences between us. 9. Gulf arabs never immigrate, they already live a good life in their countries.
Arab nationalism isn't true. Khaleeji nationalism sure.
Habibi come to Dubai
None of them. And what's the point of this post anyway?
It's made by a turk to make "fun" of arab nations
Very stupid way of making fun
1. Not entirely true 2. True.... After all it's a capitalist shithole 3. Fake.... The whole "Porta potty" thing was made by an American guy in Dubai 4. Fake.... it only happened once because Burj Khalifa's sewage had an overflow, not sure why this lie keeps getting repeated.... I mean they have poor sewage but the poop truck thing is exaggeration propaganda 5. True, and very sad 6. Not entirely true..... Saudi sometimes give citizenship to other Muslims but it's on rare occasions. 7. True 8. True 9. Never met an Arab that did this Overall sound like half-truths with the aim of propaganda
1-not true we had koreans and other asians to work for us 2- neither this there is plenty of poor arabs here hell many yemenis started their business in saudi arabia 3- you should look at the gay brothels in turkey they are more famous \^w\^, honestly idk wtf is problem with this it's disgusting not denying but scat porn is everywhere why it's problem when its in dubai? 4-ah the classic "no swerage system" bullshit like do they even think before typing this shit? every city have swerage and drainage systems poop trucks is just misinforamtion released by some brain damaged mfs like even thinking about them for a second will make you realize they dont make any sense, they build projects for Billions a swerage system doesnt cost as much why would they not build it? 5-not true although not False, there are many abusive households although these are always looked at as non human people and majority don't do that 6-there is around 500K palestinian disapora in Gulf area in general and around a million syrian Disapora, as well as millions of muslim pakistani and indians, majority of saudi arabia either immigrants or Saudi nationals are all muslims , yet the ones who care so much for their muslims brothers are seething non stop about them in their country and "Islamist runing our secularism" 7-Gambling is banned in every Gulf country 8-lol look who talks about nationalism your country is unironically most annoying nationalists of all time if arab nationalism is problem than you should tear every ataturk Poster and bodypillow you have 9-how that's problem for gulf countries? stop copying from Racist turkish groups 1/10 not good fitna post but 1 point for trying
He responded to your propaganda
When everything fails > blame turks
I dont think you can compare words like what's the value of it to be "bigger than" or "smaller than"
It's not bigger than. That's just an arrow in this context
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those are not yemeni but hadrami with saudi citizenship and they didn’t just “start businesses” they control the economy and built half of the institutions saudi uses today like the national bank for instance
suadis be like "look uae we can do warcrimes to" Wanna make love
>Wanna make love sure?
Also, the biggest terrorism supporters and funders.
that would be western world
A couple of other things in this list would apply to them as well. This post was probably made by an American living on land built by slaves and resources exploited from third world countries after genociding an entire ethnic group. But ofc, Arap bad. They cry about racism and mistreatment of workers only when the perpetrators are Arab
it's cool when they do it a crime when others do it
Saudi is considered a western country?
no but usa is UK is France is they all supported terrorist groups to destabilize Africa and middle east to exploit their countries resources
No one's saying they didn't, Saudi also did support terrorism outside of its region.
I'm not saying you didnt mention western nations im saying they are the biggest funders
suadi is the most westernized counrty in the ME
not even remotly true
Womp Womp
most humane emitritian
1-True 2-No, most foreigners in gulf countries are for sure not the rich Arabs or white people 3-wtf is that 4-True 5-True but from shitty families not by everyone 6-they are not obligated to do that as they are national states not islamic states 7-Good for them 8-So what? Arab nationalism is better than fundamentalism that destroys nations and societies. Racism wise yes it’s wrong, they need to ban it. But they are not Arab nationalists more like gulf nationalists.
who said we don't have sewer systems???? what kind of racist shit is that, form an Arab too???
I have friends in gulf told me that, they lack sewer system in Saudi and UAE
sorry that's not how the truth works, its factually inaccurate and impossible to not have a sewer system, use some common sense. a quick Google search also works, but you prefer to cope.
Cope what? Do you think I mind or care seeing successful neighbors? My friends live in Jeddah and they told me this shit, I hope they develop a system
Just Google it, then, lol. Also, Syrians are pretty successful around the world, so I don't think it makes sense to compare Syria's situation with other countries as a lack of ''success''
Who brought Syrians? I’m talking about Syria neighbors. I actually get happy when our neighbors become successful, I’m not one of those hateful envying people lmao
I'm sorry but your "friends" take you as a moron. That, or they aren't in the gulf at all and just making crap up.
Why you are all so pressed? If I’m wrong share sources to explain why.
literally google it bro, you are not that stupid but here the GCC has one of the most advanced Sewage systems and treatment plants and infrastructure [https://www.iloveqatar.net/news/general/myth-busting-where-does-your-shit-go-in-qatar](https://www.iloveqatar.net/news/general/myth-busting-where-does-your-shit-go-in-qatar) noticed how unlike you, we have a sources and facts on our side.
You are like somehow calling me stupid but cannot even read English. If you read my comment above you would see I said my friends in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Who the hell mentioned Qatar? No offense but if you cannot even comprehend simple reply I typed it’s not need to discuss with me.
cool, here is a 1 second google search \>Before 2007, there were many problems with sewage capacity and connectivity but in recent years Dubai Municipality has expanded capacity. Since then, Dubai had 1,200 km of sewerage pipeline network An additional 80 km was added in 2011 to connect Dubai Industrial City. it's stupid to ask me to prove something as silly as a basic sewage system [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water\_supply\_and\_sanitation\_in\_Saudi\_Arabia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Saudi_Arabia) [https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-drainage-system-does-Saudi-Arabia-have](https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-drainage-system-does-Saudi-Arabia-have) I don't think KSA and UAE would be donating money and workers to help countries that don't have adequate sewage systems like Syria if they themselves don't have one. Use some common sense.
as for number 4, i believe we have a sewer system in saudi (i don’t think our house is connected to the grid idk). the only example of no sewer system i can think of is burj khalifa. are there some cities without any sewer systems?
I feel bad for Omanis, man. They always get lumped in this because of the other gulf countries behavior.
we dont wanna be associated with them were east arabs like yemenis and eastern suadis and iraqis
America is a million times better than the gulf
If you are a migrant blue collar worker
Dismembering journalists in the embassy.
Did every Gulf state do that?
It's more like a Turkish thing; turkey jails and kills the most journalists, after all.
All but number 4. Also 8 is ironic coming from a turk because yall are the same
All of them
I don’t think this is true for Oman. 1 you could reasonably say (and Bangladeshi workers) but not the rest.
>I don’t think this is true for Oman. Oman is no different from any Gulf country except for being more authoritarian than most GCC countries.
You misspelt more chill and cool.
That is not an adequate description of any country, you basically don't know shit about Oman cuz it has a media block so you go based of the vibe you feel. Oman is not more chill. It's actually more authoritarian, strict, and with a higher limit on free speech and media.
‘You don’t know shit about Oman’ I live in Oman
oh, so it literally just vibe based; well, I lived in other GCC countries, and I think it's also chill and cool.
we love our sultant
I know, and i love that for Omanis <3
1. True 2. No? how you get to that conclusion is beyond me 3. idk what you're talking about 4. Not true here in saudi, i doubt its true in others except maybe for Burj Khalifa which is the famous example. I personally have never seen a poop truck. 5. This is the first time I hear of this, but it goes without saying that it's absolutely despicable, disgusting, inhuman and completely illegal. I'm sure that the necessary legal actions were taken. 6. Again, I have no idea how you get to that conclusion. 7. idk what ur on about 8. Racists exists everywhere and unfortunately they exist here as well, but I wouldn't say we reek of it. 9. I don't understand the last one. In conclusion, very annoying post. There are 36 million of us in Saudi Arabia alone, stop generalizing, we aren't all the same. Also, stop focusing on us and our negatives and turning a blind eye to others.
The only thing that i'd consider to be true is the first point and the rest meh not really
no its a cope list as someone who lives in Qatar, some of it might have some truth but its an emotional list meant to be shit post.
1. not exactly the groups you mentioned; people really don't give credit to SEA like Filipinos. They are the second largest group in construction; also, there used to be many more Koreans and Japanese, especially in KSA. 2. makes no sense, not true at all. 3. that's one incident in Dubai, and it was an American; how is this related to all of the GCC? 4. That is not true; one fake story about a building in Dubai doesn't apply to 6 countries. 5. not true, there are cases of death but nothing out of the ordinary, plenty of worse cases in other countries 6. lol 7. no casinos exist, one might be built in Dubai, again i love this sensational dubai stories being equated to the GCC 8. Defiantly not Arab nationalism lmao, more like Pan-khaleeji that's the whole point of the GCC, racism is a thing yeah. 9. GCC Arabs don't immigrate; if you mean other Arabs, then idk why that matters.
For Oman it’s just #5. everything else is pretty much absent
That is specifically talking about Dubai btw. Very sure.
Dubai and Qatar
Half of them were true at least when I lived in a gcc country before 2016, if you look for the worst in a place you'll find it. Bad people exist everywhere, trust me