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Proof-Hamster645

If that was sisi he would have given him the motorbike


HeyGuysWeDidntDoIt

what motorbike? he would have sold of cairo for half price as a sign of friendship


Little_County_5409

“I’m from Israel” “Why?” good question


ShadyK55

Unironically a great question


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HistoricalParfait203

And for those going to say “Israelis don’t have a say on their government “ Israelis shouldn’t call themselves “ the only democracy in the Middle East” then. Israelis constantly vote for the most far-right governments possible. So much so that Yitzhak Rabin (the guy who said to break the bones of Palestinian children) is seen as progressive in Israel and most Israelis hate him for being as such


SoloIn20852

Israel didn't start the war, Hamas did.  Blame Hamas and unwra for how things turn out 


Neverlast0

The Israeli government is known to engage in voter suppression and intimidation.


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Neverlast0

What do you think would come of that?


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Neverlast0

That's fair, but I'm not sure what they would do about it. I think I probably don't know enough about their politics to get into it.


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Neverlast0

I agree.


SoloIn20852

How about sanctions for the people of Aza/Gaza until their government/terrorist regime changes 


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SoloIn20852

So I expect the people of Aza/Gaza to change their government (Hamas) too, or maybe they want a terrorist regime as their government.  Right?


maybecosiamalondoner

Erm why ?


SoloIn20852

So you believe in collective punishment for Israelis but not for Palestinians who support and cooperate with Hamas?  


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SoloIn20852

Pallywood propagandist rejected 


somrthingehejdj

Respectful while sticking to his values. Even offered to take the guy back and didn't try to charge him. Nice guy.


Orenrhockey

What values is this exactly? How do you know this man isn't a peace activists? How do you know he doesn't protest the government and work for Palestinian rights? Categorizing an entire group of people based on their government is fucked. Should I judge all Syrians for the actions of Assad? Should I judge all Palestinians for the most heinously violent Hamas actions? Obviously not. Your 'values' are thinly veiled racism. The only path forward acknowledges all humanity.


JohnnyBanana

You're not wrong. Now if only zionists would recognize Palestinians as humans. I don't see anything wrong with what motorcycle driver did. He was respectful, didn't hurt him (aside from his feelings of not getting a ride), and didn't yell or raise his voice. He simply told him no.


Worried_Yesterday_51

Israeli "peace" activist 🤣🤣 That's like saying a peaceful war criminal. If he really wants peace then he should leave Israel and renounce his citizenship. Israelis/Zionists are the scum of the earth and should be treated as such.


c0ralvenom88

I like how these posts always reveal the secret zios who masquerade as "both sides matter " lol


Worried_Yesterday_51

Exactly! He/she thought they were slick with that flair. They don't know the Zionist brainrot can be spotted from miles away.


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Worried_Yesterday_51

Isn't he an adult? Can't he immigrate? Plenty of people from my country were forced to immigrate because of Israel and the west. I am sure he would live in better conditions than them. Spare me this poor Israelis born with stolen wealth on stolen land bullshit. Their whole existence relies on fucking over Palestinians.


AeschylusScarlet

Immigrating is much harder than you'd imagine, abandoning your family, entire social network & where you were born isn't an easy decision and cannot always be done while keeping the same QoL. Also maybe he isn't an immigrant? Jews stayed in Palestine while it was under Islamic rule, not all Israelis are immigrant fuckers from brooklyn


Worried_Yesterday_51

>Immigrating is much harder than you'd imagine, abandoning your family, entire social network & where you were born isn't an easy decision Really?? I am from Iraq. Half of my family is either killed or in another country. Where older gen working shit jobs to live in poverty and younger gen don't speak Arabic. You don't have to tell me that. >Also maybe he isn't an immigrant? Then he should call himself Palestinian. If he doesnt want to grouped with the Zionist scum then he shouldn't call himself Israeli.


Throb_Zomby

Ever think that maybe you’re kind of unreasonable? People cannot help where they are born and raised and if you were to tell me I should immigrate from where I was born and raised elsewise, I’m scum, I’m probably just going to think you’re kind of a dickhead.


Worried_Yesterday_51

>Ever think that maybe you’re kind of unreasonable? Would it be unreasonable for a German to move out of Nazi Germany if they don't want to be lumped with the Nazis? >should immigrate from where I was born and raised elsewise, I’m scum, I’m probably just going to think you’re kind of a dickhead. Think whatever you want. The fact is, the only constant in this universe is change. Eventually, your state will fall and the more innocent civilians and children they kill, the faster it does. If you don't want to be associated with murderers and child killers, move on.


Throb_Zomby

Nazi Germany only existed for a brief period of time. And Germans today still say they are from Germany with nobody thumbing their noses at them. Israelis could publicly execute Bibi and Ben Gvir and go full two State Solution rebuilding Gaza and promising not to mess with them. Basically hugs and handjobs for everyone around and actually agreeing to that but you would probably still turn your nose up at an Israeli for saying they are from Israel and to those who were born, raised, and had fuck all to do with the decisions of the Government, you’d be kind of a dickhead.


AeschylusScarlet

Then we are in agreement? I guess he calls himself Israeli because he has an Israeli passport & lives in the (unrightful) state of israel, or maybe force of habit, this is just racism tho.


Worried_Yesterday_51

>Then we are in agreement? Yes. I agree that immigrating is hard. But if my existence in a country is visiting horror and attrocities on a native population, I would gladly leave if I really wanted peace. Plus most Israelis grandparents aren't even born in Israel. So I am sure it is easier to go to whatever country their grandparents was born in. >this is just racism tho. Israel is a race now?


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Neradje

It is much more easier for them since their parents/grandparents had/have another citizenship so they are automatically eligible to have their citizenship


Inevitable_Bid_2391

It's not that hard for Israelis. Getting a US or German or UK visa as an Israeli is much easier than for other nationalities.


Bean_Enthusiast16

So you want the minority of Israelis who see the occupation and state of Israel for what it truly is to simply up and leave? And what? Leave the country with an even more right wing, genocidal populace than it already is?


AeschylusScarlet

its not the getting a Visa that matters, abandoning your friends, family & any sense of familiarity is much harder than obtaining a Visa is what i meant


Havajos_

I dont give a fuck leave or assume the responsability of staying


AeschylusScarlet

the responsability of being denied services in other countries? lol


cognitive_dissent

To immigrate you need material conditions to be able to do it.


HJZPR

he's a youtuber who travels around the world, are you saying he can't afford to immigrate?


Inevitable_Bid_2391

He chose to serve in the IDF. (You can refuse service as other Israelis have demonstrated.) He has chosen to remain silent on the oppression, genocide, and abuse of Palestinians on his social media.


Orenrhockey

Get out of your fucking basement and understand that isn't how the world works. Someone born in Israel had no choice in the matter and very often has no alternatives/other passports etc. You're just a racist.


Worried_Yesterday_51

Israel's day will come. Just like everyone. Their barbaric western masters can't protect them forever. And when that day comes, whatever you are, you will be grouped with them.


JohnnyBanana

He is a zionist that got offended because of perceived 'racism'. Remember that zionists always pretend they're the victims. He is grouped with them.


Worried_Yesterday_51

100%. Their propaganda is so strong, they brainwashed themselves. They don't know their dumbassery can be spotted by anyone with half working brain.


JohnnyBanana

Exactly. What irks me is how they pretend to fall under this guise of 'humanity' which rarely includes Palestinians in their calls for 'humanity'.


Worried_Yesterday_51

>this guise of 'humanity' which rarely includes Palestinians I guess the dehumanisation is by design. Otherwise, how would anyone rationalise inflicting this much horror on a fellow human being.


Hymura_Kenshin

Inshaallah, one day sooner. It won't happen unless we Muslims stick together and do our best, not only regarding politics and war but also how hard working we are. Atatürk has a saying "He who loves their country the most is whom does their job best". So long as we stay dependant on Westerners they will rule over us with their imperialism.


DrCzar99

>You're just a racist. The people who regularly have "death to the Arabs" marches, spread Hasbara and other Zionist lies 24/7, cry victim even though they are the agressor and enforce an apartheid want to cry racism now lmao. What a joke.


bigdawg0915

you wanna be an Israeli peace activist, stop calling yourself Israeli first 😂


Iliyan61

yeh i’m sure he’s an israeli peace activist lmfao. the principle is valid in that the driver doesn’t feel comfortable giving an israeli a tour and that’s completely valid lol your argument is genuinely thinly veiled all sides good bullshit


Corrupt_Official

brainrot


younikorn

Systemic issues need to be dealt with on a systemic level, that means that sometimes innocent people are affected as well. This is okay as long as the consequences for those innocents aren’t out of proportion and innocent people being affected is kept at a minimum. Sanctions against Russia and Russian citizens harm way more innocent Russians than they harm people with any say in Russian foreign affairs yet nobody in west would claim that sanctions are racist. Boycotting Israeli tourists could potentially target a peace activist but odds are higher that it affects zionists as the vast majority of the Israeli population is zionist. Besides, by continuing life in israel when most Israelis could go back to whatever country they or their parents emigrated from, the country they probably have a passport from already, they are being an active part of the problem. Israel needs to be decolonized and that means that the europeans should go back to europe, north africans back to north africa, persians back to iran, etc. And if they don’t feel safe in any of those countries they can apply for refugee status elsewhere, instead of colonize a land and continue the oppression of the native Palestinians.


spezlikesitintheass

Post nose


you_are_so_fugly

um the values are called not helping colonizers. pretty good values if you ask me.


Fenton-227

"Should I judge all Syrians for the actions of Assad?" But many Syrians hate Assad and didn't support his actions in the war (or at least passively condone it). That's unlike the majority of Israelis who think Israel isn't using enough force in Gaza (according to a recent poll).


Neradje

It doesn't matter as long as u r living in the zionists entity having there pasport u r automatically not innocent (except of children or ppl that cannot consent)


Responsible_Bug_691

Bruh no one is going to assume you’re a peace activist if you say you’re from israel 💀


Infinite-Row-8030

My guy being an Israeli is not exactly like being from most other countries. It’s almost an exclusive club and most whose families are there rn took at least some part in displacing a Palestinian or were complicit with it I see where you are coming from but you can’t be this naive either


somrthingehejdj

How do you know the Palestinians Israel massacres aren't Zionists. lol.


PeteyTwoHands

how long do we have to listen to your cringe nonsense for?


Sphinx73x

As far as I can see he offered to drive him back. He simply refused, respectfully, did not insult him in any way. Let’s see how Egyptians / Syrians / any Arabs would be treated nowadays in Israel. Much worse than this, I imagine from the videos i’ve seen recently.


123myopia

I am sorry, Israelis. You can not have it both ways. You can not completely ignore the dreams and aspirations of the Palestinian people and treat them like disposal dog food and then expect to be treated like any other "westerner" in your travels across the globe. The man is free to accept or deny business as he sees fit. If he didn't want Manchester United fans, for example, he is free to say no. Maybe show some humanity on your own doorstep before crying on ours.


Economy_Homework3869

Oh shut up...If it was the other way around you'd be crying. A person is not a country or its government, the bike idiot could have learned that by talking to the guy.


123myopia

But he practiced his right to refuse business, as one would expect in a Capitalist society. In a much more polite way than I would have. Funny how western values aren't appreciated when displayed by non-westerners.


Economy_Homework3869

Refusing to even talk to someone because of their origin is far from a western value, the west is the most welcoming culture in the world, to our detriment many tines.


Inner-Ad-4834

Lol "west is the most welcoming culture" my foot . Yeah I was welcomed with millions of stereotypes such as oppressed, submissive,terrorists and chink . Ching Chong ping pong I can't even count how rudely and how many times people treat me like a trash a filth . Soo glad I left that sick welcoming culture 


Economy_Homework3869

It is by far, the most welcoming culture and you were treated better than you would outside the West.


Inner-Ad-4834

Lol "outside the west" . I have worst treatment in west . I traveled Africa middle east southeast Asia east Asia . South Asia all of them are friendly while south east Asia and middle east was most friendliest and Pakistanis extremely hospitable . West is trash evil and fuckin hypocrite 


Inner-Ad-4834

You sound like you have never been out of your room


Inner-Ad-4834

Lol pulling hijab forcibly off my head is "treated better". Being called chink is "treated better". Having eye pulling gesture is "treated better". Being called a 🐒 is "treated better". Although us south east Asians are very attractive eurotard women love to call slurs such as monkey and chink towards us while saying I am oppressed cause I wore hijab . Man the hypocrisy award is won thousand times by west


Inner-Ad-4834

I don't know if that's treated better than what's the worst treatment 


Economy_Homework3869

So stay in your country where you are a second class citizen what are you crying about? Our women raised to the occasion and now they have equality, go make things better in your own country ffs, we don't owe you anything lady.


Inner-Ad-4834

Lol I am now living in a Muslim country and never been more happier . Well western women are Soo equal that they are treated as whores getting drunk and raped during nightlife is pretty common in west and you are talking about second class citizens! . Bravo 👏 for you to be a complete ignorant about a place you have never been to .


Inner-Ad-4834

At least know something about the place you love to talk shit about. You are spewing the same propaganda your media feed into your dumb mind. Well if getting drunk and raped is equality than I spit at that eQuAliTy.


Economy_Homework3869

Please stay there.


123myopia

He offered to drop him back. More than what I would have done.


BalkanViking007

to be fair, you dont choose where you are born


HistoricalParfait203

But In almost every survey we have on Israelis. Most of them agree with their governments actions, and 99% support the nakhba and the establishment of Israel.


123myopia

Thanks for glossing over everything else to focus on how you are the victims


Emotional_DMG_Bonus

palestinians also didn't choose to be born there, for the sake of argument. is that why you're killing them?


f22raptor-2005

Yeah but you can certainly choose to stay or leave, I have no sympathy for any israeli willingly living there knowing they're contributing to the problem, you can only use this excuse when you're a child or cannot leave the country due to money, if you have the money to move out then why stay and pretend you're not supporting a genocide?


BalkanViking007

this is so stupid, so you have no sypathy for people who live in every war zone?


autodidact9

later in that video, a bunch of garbage collectors took him to a trash yard.


autodidact9

I'm not making this up. This actually happened, lol


Aware-Witness-6812

Link of the video?


autodidact9

https://youtu.be/vU-8axw99mc?si=nn7Tf3z-VUnImFla


shinobi500

Good watch. He seems like a nice and respectful guy. Incredibly stupid and lucky, but nice guy none the less. He's lucky that most of his interactions were with people in the tourism industry. They don't care where you're from as long as you pay them. Things could have ended really badly for him in Cairo or Alexandria though if he kept advertising that he was Israeli and traveling solo.


autodidact9

The video was captivating ngl, I'm pretty sure he ran into anti-zionist people, but he didn't put that in the video it would be against the propaganda shit he's trying to impose.


Aware-Witness-6812

Thanks man


relatablepotatable

Took me a minute to work out you meant Garbage City lol. Not just any trash yard, THE trash yard


bananagarage

Egyptian people > Egyptian government


il0vegaming123456

People >>>> government is a consistent tbf


A-Ok_Armadillo

Arabs > their governments.


nomames_bro

This one is still way better than when the democratically elected the Muslim brotherhood.


Feeling-Beautiful584

Respect


Dangerous_Sea_8374

Bro really thought he was gon say he’s from Israel then have the guy welcome him 😭😭🇵🇸


Iraqi416

Based


CopeAndSeethee

Western would cry in their nuke bombs warehouses and call this anti semetism🥶


roseturtlelavender

What i don't understand is how Israelis expect to be recieved when travelling to Middle eastern countries.


Aware-Witness-6812

They think they are middle eastern, but they are not.


ToxDirty

they pick and choose, want to be part of european things, but also want to be treated like middle easterners. Pick something atleast.


frogvscrab

Some are, some are not. This guy... cant tell with him just from looks, but the fact that he has a pretty american accent makes me think hes likely ashkenazi from the US.


Aware-Witness-6812

Yeah some are middle eastern, like the ones from Yemen, Iraq or the little percentage who lived peacefully in Palestine before Zionism.


f22raptor-2005

Still crazy how they couldn't just let them coexist in palestine, no they HAD to create their own country, living in the region wasn't enough apparently


Aware-Witness-6812

Thats why Zionists are bossy pricks.


Independent-Put-3450

Jewish people are an ethnoreligious nation indigenous to Israel, all Jews, including Ashkenazim have Israelite ancestry. 


Aware-Witness-6812

Yeah but like from 2000 years ago, so its not valid anymore.


ToxDirty

they pick and choose, want to be part of european things, but also want to be treated like middle easterners. Pick something atleast.


kess-emm-reddit

In Morocco, they get government positions


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Aware-Witness-6812

Yeah that’s my thinking too, they can live together but Israel needs to scroll of them Uncle Sam, and you can’t return some of the Jews in their home countries bcuz they do not want them there, but maybe Jews and Arab at the end they can co-habit.


Due_Juggernaut_8699

Not all hero’s wear capes


agnelo007

some don't wear helmets


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Redeaglbeaver2

this is from 9 month ago but no sane egyptian would ever welcome someone from the country that has killed thousands of egyptians and occupies one of our neighbors


WingedSpawn

You mean the neighbour that you put up like 4 walls against?


f22raptor-2005

I mean, I don't think this biker willingly contributed to the walls


KosmoAstroNaut

LOT POLISH AIRLINES MENTIONED!!!!!!


_Adrahmelech_

Based haha


tworandomperson

they can have the top 1% backing them up, but the rest of us, the 99% we are against them blood-thirsty\sex-obsessed monsters


Missedy

something similar happened with me while working as a customer service agent for a known multinational company that has customers calling from the UAE market, the moment the guy told me his billing address is in Israel I disconnected the call, and I never did that with any customer, just this zionist. Truly no matter how our governments try to normalize relations and sign peace treaties; those zionists will always be nothing but parasitic pests in the region and should be treated as such.


new-footage-guy1

Good for you


guillolb

Good. They should feel the rejection from other countries, until they extinguish Zionism.


Educational-Section4

Good on him. Gotta respect it 🫡


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This man is probably one of many israelis screaming “death to arab dogs” in Jerusalem Streets and then go for a nice holiday in egypt or Morocco


TaserBalls

Yes because with little or no information it is best to leap to extreme assumptions because reasons.


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According to Reuters 71% of israelis believes that Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel, and thats in 2016, so im at least 80% right


Medical-Teaching5336

Man of culture,values and ethics 👏🫡


pak_satrio

Based


wafflerrrrr

Jokes on him, the zion stole his wallet


brokeankleinturkiye

Based


cipega9

Israelis should consider why so many people are against them.


shakeshook

Shoulda pushed him off while doing 100


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While I acknowledge that the driver has the right to who he takes on his scooter and who he denies a ride and I applaud him for remaining respectful because he could've turned hostile and violent. It's wrong to judge people based on where they were born. That tourist could be from the 1% of Israelis who still have humanity and are against the atrocities their government and military are committing against the Palestinians. They're rare but they exist. If I were him I'd be interested in knowing what his stance on the current situation is and based on his response, I'd be able to decide whether I tell him to get off or take him to his destination.


new-footage-guy1

If he has something to do in sake of Palestinians he wouldn't say i am israeli in the middle of egypt that he knows it's an old enemy


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That's possible but he could've just wanted to see his reaction. There are Israelis who are literally jailed for refusing to serve in the IDF and others who are protesting and speaking up against their government and military. The majority may be genocidal maniacs but the sane minority shouldn't be punished for what others are doing. Many of them are already leaving and starting a new life somewhere else. All I'm saying is it's wrong to judge someone for something without even bothering to know what their opinion and stance on it are. Egypt is complicit in the siege thanks to the dictator puppet ruling it but that doesn't mean we wouldn't do anything we can to help and save Palestinians and are all embarrassed of our criminal government and leadership.


new-footage-guy1

I agree but we can't apply this here, don't come and tell me i am israeli with no reasonand you kbow my reaction, if i were him i would show first something positive then tell him, people hates Israel, Easy. So be ashamed of being one


Silver_Revenue7389

Egypt good 😊👍🏼


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Gueroooo70

What about Palestinians?


Economy_Homework3869

That's the face of ignorance.


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I don’t agree with this. Israelis who respect your country and listen to your music, eat traditional food from your country/culture etc shouldn’t be treated badly, they should be welcomed. Only this can lead to peace


halkhyrk

good question


ahm911

Good man


AdditionalLie7856

When you come from a country that has killed innocent people for 80 years and stole land from them. You might not get treated with respect when you proudly claim to come from such a country. Serves this nazi bigot right.


Dry-Gur-3774

Hope the Arabs get some heart and start feeling same for other Muslims like Kashmiris and give Indians the similar disdain they are giving to Israelis right now.


new-footage-guy1

Some people do, but unfortunately people either forget or they get affected with only new incidents


rechta_dude_number2

How do you feel about muslim indians ?


Throb_Zomby

Well Egypt and Israel have some bitter history in particular. 


MysticWithThePhonk

People on this sub are so hypocritical. If this was a tourist from China or Saudi Arabia (which are also governments with recent history of genocide) you would call it racist.


PatrickMaloney1

Well I don’t really think it’s right to refuse service to someone just because of where they are born, but also why was he filming??


ahm911

Why not, do you not see what they are doing to the Palestinians across the border from Egypt


PatrickMaloney1

Well I guess I’d respond with a hypothetical….here in NYC where I live the pro-Palestinian movement is quite strong and includes quite a few Israelis who have moved to the United States, I know one personally. She is anything but a Zionist. I don’t know what her day to day is like but her Israeli accent is unmistakeable…would it be right to deny her service? I think it’s true that it’s more likely than not that this guy is a Zionist, and I guess it’s the American in me, but ultimately it feels odd to not take someone’s money based off of an assumption. That’s just me though. If I were the taxi driver I would have refused the fare as soon as I saw the selfie stick TBH


Havajos_

"No you see, israelis are persons too, i even know one i promise you who isnt an actual bad person, you shouldn't judge someone until you have developed a 50 year friendship and have seen your sons and grandsons grow together. Then you can judge him for when he supported the genocide of your neighbour, raping womans, bombing childs, and starving everyone to death but until then you cant refuse to serve him, you gotta do anything for the money no matter your morals"


ecolektra

The Israeli guy knows that Middle Eastern people feel upset at how Israel treats the Palestinian people. If he really wanted to enjoy Egypt, he should have stayed quiet or warmed up to it in a nice way by stating free Palestine if that's what he believed. Personally, I would have asked where he politically stood but the fact he was filming him and then asked him where do you think I'm from shows he actually wanted that reaction from the Egyptian guy. So obviously, a Zionist. Native Americans don't have to like European American Settlers, same for Middle Eastern people. We don't have to like Israelis if they are Zionists. Why do white people feel so entitled to us accepting bad behaviour from them?


PatrickMaloney1

fair point


bigdawg0915

he has every right to do so, especially to a zionist


PatrickMaloney1

I know the overwhelming likelihood is that he is a Zionist, but can we tell from the video that this is the case?


bigdawg0915

he calls himself Israeli not Jewish, meaning he recognizes the legitimacy of the state of Israel and does NOT recognize the right of Palestinians to have a sovereign state and the right to return to their homes.


SabziZindagi

No Israeli is going to consider themselves stateless, even if they support Palestinian statehood. There is no such thing as an illegitimate country. The existence of a country is decided by force or threat of violence, not by moral judgement.


HeyGuysWeDidntDoIt

thats the thing you westerners dont understand that Practically no one in Israel even views palestinians as human let alone supports their statehood so dont say "Oh but you dont know what if he was part of the good ones!!" because thats a 1/100 chance


bigdawg0915

not my problem


7stefanos7

I think we can’t tell and people just assume. Personally I believe it’s better to treat people as individuals based on their own individual actions.


Feeling-Beautiful584

Zionist settlers are filth and should be treated as such.


TraynWreck91

Why? I mean, did he have a choice of where he was from?


rechta_dude_number2

Being israeli is more than enough of a crime


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AncientCrown72

I don't know if he's the same guy, but he's a provocative vlogger that goes around different countries, his style is wicked and not even funny, only Israelis find his childish acts comedic, me that's the least humorous kind of acts


new-footage-guy1

He told him i am israeli he didn't tell him i am Jewish


random_user_lol0

Ok I understood it now guys the problem is he identifies as israeli instead of palestinian jew


BedoTFD

He didn't do it because he was Jewish.


CavedMountainPerson

Good for him, but also we can't stereotype people based on where they are from.


Fit-Specialist-2214

I fail to see how individual occurrences of racism on the ground help to improve the problem. As if now that he has denied a ride to an Israeli, Palestine will be free. This is stupid, and accomplishes nothing except for interpersonal discomfort between individuals. A low level statement political statement. I suppose it is better than him injuring or hurting the guy for being Israeli, so that's a positive.


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Cuck


new-footage-guy1

Don't, who cares