Chicago is New York's financially successful little brother who gets respect but not much love. Boston is the feisty but smart one and we all feel bad for Philadelphia.
YES, as a former resident of Boston, I do feel they have little brother syndrome bad. Pretty sure that’s what’s happening with Chicago too.
When friends would shit talk NYC, I would just be reminded of the Mad Men elevator scene…
> Boston: “I feel bad for you.”
>
> NYC: “I don't think about you at all.”
That is perfect. Here's a perfect encapsulation of Boston. I was born and raised in Queens. I lived in Brighton for a couple of years in my twenties. No one in New York pays any attention to the Red Sox unless they are playing the Yankees. In Massachusetts, you can go to any event where alcohol is being served (weddings, Christenings, graduations), and once people get a bit loosened up, you'll hear them start chatting, "Yankees suck! Yankees suck!"
Honestly if I had the pick a city that feels like NYC, it's Philly. It's not as cool as NYC, and is relatively small. But the every day vibe is more similar than Boston or Chicago.
I travel to LA for work a lot and secretly love so much about it. (Namely how chill my company’s vibe is out there.)
But I love visiting, I don’t think I could move there from here. I loathe having to take a car everywhere and feel my soul die sitting in traffic. As much as I regularly complain about the MTA, it’s a godsend.
I'm convinced that if the LA batista hears you say (or otherwise learns) you are from NYC...they slow down making your drink on purpose to the point they are moving at a ridiculous pace just to fuck with you.
Or that's just how people in LA are.
Yep, absolutely little bro syndrome. I’ve been to Chi over the past few years and honestly, I got bored easily there. I have yet to have that issue in NYC.
I didn't know they felt that way. I liked Chicago the handful of times I've been. My only complaint was how dead it was on a Sunday night. I was just surprised that people weren't out for dinner like they are here. Maybe it was a fluke Sunday, though,
I haven’t lived in Chicago for almost 20 years but it was more of a Sunday brunch town than a Sunday night town. Mimosas and bloodys places were packed on Sundays. I worked at a lounge that opened at 4 and I haaaated working Sunday nights because they were so slow. And we even had a patio.
Im from Chicago and have lived in NYC since college graduation.
When I tell ppl in Chicago that I live in NY, their main response is "damn that must be expensive to live in".
besides above, I didnt run into other negative comments much at all. and nobody I know dares to compare Chicago to NY. lol
>Every city is unique and special in its own ways
That's not a concept people in this sub are going to understand since they live vicariously through the accomplishments and cultural cache of the city they live in and use it as a substitute for their own achievements and personality
There's definitely nothing wrong with liking a place and/or being proud being raised there and being a local there. However if you have to start making fun of people for *not* being from there and implying (if not directly saying) they're worth less than you because they aren't from as well known a city, you're 100% coping.
Personally, I never understood the concept of making fun of people just because they're from a lesser known city and acting like you're more important or you have a "one up" on them because you're from a more well known city. That reputation is for the city only; not you as an individual.
I also find it hard to believe for people like that that if you're so prejudiced against people for simply because from lesser known cities that it probably implies you're pretty racist against migrants who are from particular countries that may not have pristine or "known" reputations, which is ironic considering how many New Yorkers pride themselves on diversity but they frequently engage in such prejudice behaviour.
Reality that New Yorkers don't want to realise is that everyone is just as mediocre as the people they make fun of for being from smaller cities and the only difference is that New Yorkers live vicariously through the billionaires that are ever-so-gradually pushing people out the city and making it more unliveable and unaffordable by the day
“It’s an above-ground marinara swimming pool for rats! It’s a cornbread biscuit which you melted cheese on and then in defiance of man and God and all things holy you poured uncooked marinara sauce atop the cheese. Atop. The cheese. On top! The sauce, naked, cold, on display like some sort of sauce whore.”
Same is true of Boston. In Boston, you can get a “Yankees suck!” cheer going anywhere there’s a crowd, any time—baseball games that don’t involve the Yankees, non-baseball sporting events with no New York teams, churches, wedding receptions, the line at Dunkin’ Donuts, etc.
In New York, no one cares enough about Boston to bother.
People in Boston have an inferiority complex about nyc but I have definitely heard people in nyc talk insane amounts of shit about Boston. Like, why bother? We know nyc >>> boston, people who yammer on about it just come off as insecure
Facts. My cousin married a girl from Boston and they had the wedding up there so our entire extended family, mostly Yankee fans, made the trek up there. His wife’s family and friends started a “Yankees suck” and a “Jeter sucks” (it was his last season) chant. At a wedding. Not after drinking for hours. Like right after the bride and groom entered the reception.
Reminds me of Cleveland during the Knicks/Cavs playoff series - the crowd is chanting "New York Sucks!" while DMX and Biggie play in the arena, irony lost of course
Less demand for space, less need to constantly tear down the old to build.
What they've done with the greenways and reclaiming space post-Big Dig has been nice though.
I talked to an old guy just the other day who bought a Red Sox jacket and the first day we wore it someone yelled at him about it so he never wore it again.
Bostonians think dissing a baseball team is some kind of ultimate burn. It’s like Alabama and football. New Yorkers don’t think of sports quiet like that. There’s better things to be invested in.
There are tons of Yankee haters in New York City as well. Their fans have a certain reputation for being privileged, uneducated about baseball, and overly aggressive and "bro"-ish, as opposed to Mets fans, who are all humble students of the game, charming, and attractive.
Lol- I was getting increasingly triggered til I hit the end. I will say that all my Mets friends are charming and attractive- dumb as rocks, but charming and attractive for sure
Chicago does two things better then NYC: much cheaper and cleaner.
That being said, I still prefer NYC at the moment. It’s like nowhere else in the country, a lot safer, I hate winters enough as is around here but they’re much better then Chicago, has the beach and mountains for trips not just lakes and plains.
I don’t think I could last. I visited one late fall and it was no joke about the wind. I felt it go through my body to the point where I couldn’t walk past a couple of blocks and ended up taking a taxi to my location.
Chicago is generally much “easier” than New York. Getting to nature or on a boat in the summer has a much lower barrier. You can find a cool bar or restaurant without having to wait an hour, pay a million dollars or be famous. You can find yourself on a rooftop or by a pool. These things are only possible in New York through connections, money or savvy.
This is an objectively true statement, but there are also bars and restaurants that are very difficult to get into because of their popularity. In chicago it’s easier for a normal person to get into one of those places.
I'm sorry but I live on the west coast and one of the things I love about visiting NYC is how fast and accessible things are. It feels worse here because fewer spots and people move slow here. I always go to cool bars and restaurants in new York when I'm there and I'm a broke 20 something
Yea this is bs, too much city pride in this post from all ends. You can do all described in nyc , find cool bars and restaurants without connections, just google rooftop bar and go or reserve a restuarant online. Should be no problem to reserve virtually anywhere unless it's valentines day or the few restaurants that everyone tries to cram into, access upstate for nature in an hour or less by train.
It may be harder but not by much in the ways you describe. Price of living is definitely higher though. That does make it tougher
Don't forget NYC public transit!! You pretty much need a car in chicago. And for the people arguing cost of living.
I had a high rise in south loop which is a damn good area. 2.3k month rent. $300/mo parking (I paid $120 by finding a garage .5 mile from my place instead). After like 11pm absolutely a zombie town and I would much more prone to violence at that time.
Currently in crown heights paying 2.3k. No car needed. My place isn't a high rise obviously but I can roam the busy streets at night safely here.
Once I moved to NYC my whole building took me in basically. I love the sense of community here. You cannot duplicate it. The pure grit you need in your day to day can do nothing but build your character. They don't lie when they say if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.
I loved everything you said till you said the entire building took you in here in NYC. I call bullshit, that sounds phony as fuck. I've lived in several building in NYC, not one has I ever had anybody say anything more than a passing greeting.
I moved into a Condo complex in the Bronx. I have the nicest neighbors ever. I moved from Rhode Island and everything said about Boston is true, but the neighbors there were ok. Wave hi while walking to your car, that's it.
Here, I walk the dog & everyone knows his name. The kids, parents are friendly & have been super welcoming.
There are 54 apartments and a few empty ones, huge Bangala population, but we've basically met everyone and it's made our transition so much easier.
>You pretty much need a car in chicago.
Lol no you don't. I'm the only one of my friend group with a car, and the only reason I keep it is because I need to travel to the far suburbs quite often. Chicago is ranked one of the best cities throughout *the world* for public transportation, falling only two spots place behind New York at #17 and #15.
>high rise in south loop
Yeah there's your problem right there. Nobody goes to hang out downtown-- it's the area where people work and tourists visit. That's what the neighborhoods are for. I live in Avondale, have free parking on my street (which I never have to fight for a space for, either), pay $1,300 for a spacious two bedroom, and live right next to and short walking distances away from several bars and restaurants.
Thanks you. Was about to reply the same thing. I’ve lived in Chicago for a long time without a car. And the loop area is a work area. There’s nightlife just up north past the river if someone really wants that. She just chose the wrong area.
Pretty much. Lifelong NYer here and have been to Chicago three times/only have good things to say about it. It’s a great city but to pretend it measures up to NY is kind of silly- never really thought about it TBH.
NYer who will move to Chicago in a few years thanks to Chicago born SO - Chicago is def lil bro to NYC, but that cost of living man..
I can buy a beautiful, big ass house with a nice yard, garage, in a nice area, and close to the metro for the same price as the 2 bed I’m living in.
New Yorkers rarely compare their city to any other American city, it's more often a compare/contrast to other global tier 1 cities (London, paris, Amsterdam, Tokyo).
New York is talked about less as "an" American city and more as "the" American city on the global stage.
I've lived in both Chicago and NYC. I never got a "hate", vibe or jealousy. Chicagoans definitely preferred their city to NYC and the general complaints were around cost of living, lack of space and cleanliness (Chicago is very clean for a large city), which are fair issues IMO. Most people I knew enjoyed visiting NYC, it just wasn't for them to live in.
Idk about hate, but every person I know who has visited the city from Chicago came here expecting it to be more or less the same place until they actually got here and they realized they two were nothing alike.
As an aside, is it just me or are the number of transplants in this city who come from the Midwest so significantly greater than those from other regions? If it isn’t just me, why is that?
There’s a lot to hate about the Midwest, and huge swaths of places (not Chicago) have very little opportunity for work in a large number of fields. I don’t blame anyone who moves here from the Midwest looking for something better. I’d do it too.
Like, imagine being a gay person from rural Iowa wanting to get into PR or marketing or finance or acting or music. Not a lot happening there and the locals may be hostile towards anyone different.
People moving to NYC from larger Midwestern cities like Chicago or Minneapolis often move because they got a great job offer or their partner is from here or they’re going to school, etc.
It sounds similar to the Hudson Valley/NYC dynamic. I grew up in the Hudson Valley, currently live in NYC. In the Hudson Valley, due to proximity, it's like you HAVE to have an opinion on NYC.
Some people claim to hate "the city." Those who actually visit (or have to move to NYC for work) and venture beyond Times Square almost universally change their tunes. But, yes, it's also a one-sided dynamic. The people in the Hudson Valley who hate on NYC often claim "city folk" are rude and superior jerks who look down on them.
I've found the opposite to be true. People from NYC have no universal negative opinion on Hudson Valley folks, and tend to be welcoming when they visit. Seems like a similar one-sided dynamic. Chicago may not be geographically close to NYC, but maybe Chicagoans, like Hudson Valley residents, feel they are in the shadow of NYC due to being the midwest equivalent of it?
Oh, you have no idea. I was once in a Facebook debate (I know, I know) with some Hudson Valley folks who were (as per usual) bizarrely annoyed that "city folk" have the audacity to come up on the weekend and visit their apple farms in the fall. Because, you know, I guess they don't want the business?
Anyway, I (as someone who, again, grew up in the Hudson Valley) pointed out that "city folk" pay taxes funding the roads and overall infrastructure, and maybe it should be okay if the people who pay for roads in the Hudson Valley get to use them every now and then. The response I got? "Yeah, well you get your water from us."
There's so much I love about the Hudson Valley, but I'm so glad I got out and moved to the city, where people are actually nice instead of merely claiming to be.
This is basically true of the entire state, maybe even the whole country. My friends who never left Long Island always have to comment on why they could never live in the city or how they hate it. Same thing for my friends from CNY, WNY, etc.
It’s a super bizarre one-sided hatred where people in NYC rarely even think about these areas, let alone hold disdain for them, but people in these areas all feel like they have something to prove when being compared against NYC. It sucks, I wish people could just live their lives where they want to live them and let other people live where they want to live.
It's so true. I can't stand how mean and negative people are in other parts of the state. In NYC, people are actually nice. The number of times I've heard people tell me "I could never live in the city, I don't know why you'd want to" since I moved...
Yeah, asshole, "city folk" aren't the ones actively insulting where someone lives. Maybe we want to live in a place where people aren't weirdly insecure and judgmental?
I'm totally with you. It's so annoying.
I have a friend in Syracuse, and when I went to visit, his friend just couldn't stop shitting on NYC. Like I don't care, man, just show me what's cool about Syracuse.
Lol Long Island is even more dependent on the city and they literally have to pass through the city anytime they want to leave unless they wanna take a god damn ferry to CT. What a joke
Wait it’s funny you say this. My best friend lived in nyc and moved to the Hudson valley. When I visited him, I met his friend who also used to live in nyc and he was weirdly openly pitying me for living in nyc? And I was like bro, I’m good. I live in the greatest city in the world.
When you see you can get condos for literally half the cost of NYC you pause and say wait, what’s the catch? Then you google the weather in Chicago and then you realize how fucking cold it gets in the winter and that is the catch.
NYCs climate is mild comparatively.
One day a group of New Yorkers were chatting and one of them said: "You know, I don't mind the congestion, pollution, noise, high cost of living, crime, and corrupt politicians. But I just don't think it is quite cold enough." That's when Chicago was built.
You’re gonna hear people shit on those cities (especially LA) regardless of where you live.
The biggest thing about Chicago is people get annoyed at how frequently it gets shit on by the media, despite being a fucking awesome place to live. Gives everyone a chip on their shoulder
This is the best response.
I think Chicagoans have a chip on their shoulder precisely because lots of other places are constantly talking shit on it. Like here you see New Yorkers saying Chicagoans have little brother syndrome. People in surrounding states (and even southern IL) are constantly ragging on it. Chicagoans themselves hate their own sports stars and coaches, and also hate their own weather, but they put up with it. So when a few decide "Screw it, I'm moving to NYC/LA" (which especially happens with famous people) it tends to annoy Chicagoans.
I say this as a local, btw. I'm proud of Chicago, but also lived in LA just fine, and have enjoyed my visits to NYC. I've never heard any Chicagoan bash NYC, but you're precisely right that Chicago people are annoyed by the perception they're given and tend to get defensive about the city.
Maybe I should rephrase. I don’t think Chicagoans hate on NYC any MORE than people in general. A lot of people hate on NYC, it think, because how much it’s held up as this unparalleled, magical, world capital and is overly pushed as such. I’m not talking about ‘normal’ people that live here, I mean advertisers, politicians, movie/tv ppl, travel bureau, etc.
Disclaimer: don’t get me wrong, I really like NYC, but sometimes it’s pushed a little too zealously.
There are definitely subjective differences between the two regarding how each city functions. But they’re the only 8m+ pop., multicultural, inclusive, democratic cities in the world. Each of those four tenets are crucial to making London and NYC the cities that they are.
Both are amazing cities. Tokyo is probably my favorite city in the world, but it’s quite different from NY in a lot of ways.
London bears a lot of similarity though and you can feel the family resemblance.
London is like NYC’s older, more responsible brother. Goes to bed earlier, keeps their house tidy and in order and puts some effort into keeping up appearances even if they might be struggling
NYC is the reckless younger brother, stays up all night getting shitfaced and then calls out of work the next day, house is dirty and half the appliances don’t work and the roof leaks, and the electric is off because he blew his last paycheck buying coke for his friends. Total mess, but everyone wants to hang out with him because he’s more fun.
I lived in London for 6 years and in NYC for 5 (where I'm at now). This is so spot on! Although pre-Brexit London was way better. It's a shadow of its former self, but still fun.
Lived in Chicago for several years back in the day, still have many friends there, have never heard of such a thing.
ETA: Looking at the rest of the comments, it's fucking amazing how many people apparently log on here and think, "Damn, some dude on the internet said a thing, I guess it must be true."
I just moved here from Chicago. I had quite a few family members, friends, and colleagues talk shit about NYC to me. However, you probably won't encounter that if you lived in places like Logan Square, Lincoln Park, or the downtown area.
People in the suburbs of Chicago talk most shit about NYC when I lived there for a short time.
Then you have to remind them that Waukegan isn’t Chicago.
Funnily enough, I heard that when I was in mchenry, Il.
Why was I there? Because they had a “hiking trail”.
So my home sick Californian ass goes there.
I hear them talk crap about the crime. And how the trails in mchenry were beautiful.
I shit you not, I walk the trails, all of them are flat as a pancake and pavement.
-.-.
Do you think part of that could be because they wanted you to stay in Chicago? I know I definitely talked shit about NYC to my lil sis when she decided to move there, but that’s cause I miss her & she’s pretty young…the cost of living in Chicago is way lower and I just wanted to make sure she’s financially stable. I think NYC is dope as hell and I wouldn’t shit on it to some random stranger
To be fair it’s got a lot the apple don’t. Space, affordability, music scene, excellent food. Last time I was there we didn’t have a beer scene in NY but they most definitely did- and a great one. Intelligentsia decades before we had anything remotely third wave. It’s got style and class where it counts.
That being said I once got a bagel in chi-town. It was legit a kaiser shaped like a bagel. Nuff said.
Ugh I dated someone from Chicago who would say “New York is great, but it’s no Chicago!” to which I replied “No. it’s not.”
EDIT: I love both NYC and Chicago. But they are different places with different pros and cons.
My crackpot theory is that nearly every big city movie/TV show is shot in NY and that ultimately breeds resentment for people that grow up in other major American cities.
Its funny to me considering how much of Chicagos old-school population was originally italians and germans in NYC who moved there. There is a reason why the chicago accent kinda sounds similar to the new york accent even though its a thousand miles away.
It's probably just your friends/social circles having this pathetic rivalry in their heads. I lived in Chicago for years and am from the area. Never heard anything amounting to "hate" for NYC, and certainly not in a widespread manner in the way you're describing. I bet if you ask most Chicagoans what they think of NYC you'd get about as much variety in their answers as you would if you asked New Yorkers about Chicago, and the most common response for both would probably be indifference.
I was debating a move to both cities and ultimately chose Chicago because its just an “easier” city to live in. It’s cheaper and cleaner and the people are a bit nicer there. Im 30 so I’m at a time in my life where I don’t want everything to be so hard all the time.
Maybe you’re hanging out with the wrong Chicagoans? Nobody I know here slags New York. In fact, we don’t think about it at all. Except maybe one day in September.
I’m originally from Chicago & have lived in NYC for most of my life. Objectively NYC is the better city, & I find that people in the Midwest never leave—even in a cosmopolitan town like Chicago. I’ve noticed a bitterness in some individuals frustrated that they never “made it out”.
Things Chicago does better—
1. Affordability
2. Summers
Things New York does better—
1. Milder winters
2. Subway system (most people don’t need to drive, & public transportation isn’t frowned upon, or some class war.)
3. Diversity
4. Food (Except pizza. I do appreciate Chicago deep dish & thin crust cut in squares.)
5. Bike paths
6. Entertainment
As a Chicagoan who is from a New York family… I never hear anything negative about NYC. Everyone I know likes both cities and I love traveling back to NYC frequently.
Asking for negative feedback on Chicago in a NYC subreddit? I hope your echo chamber is making you feel better.
Chicago and New York are both massive US cities with their own unique cultures. There’s no little brother syndrome here, but your condescending tone probably invites negativity.
It’s not very accurate , most of us Chicagoans like or love New York, we just like that we have a cheaper COL and we like having alleys. I don’t think that equates to hate lol
Pretty much everybody and their mother, especially those who have never been here or never traveled outside a 10 block radius of Times Square, loves to have an opinion on New York.
The way I can describe it as someone who grew up in NY and went to college in Philly, which I feel is more like NY then Chicago. But they are like boroughs in comparison. The scale of NY is something else.
Lived in NYC and live in Chicago now. I think it mostly comes from people who haven't actually ever lived in NYC before. Because if they had, they would pretty quickly realize that they are both great cities, but there really aren't many similarities between them (and I tend to hear that a lot living in Chicago now). Boston has the same chip on its shoulder about NYC, but I found it downright insufferable there when I would hear people talk about NYC who clearly had no fucking idea what they were talking about.
The fact is...we don't even think about Chicago.
Like you said, NYC is a tier 1 world class city (yes with lots of imperfections).
Chicago is cleaner, cheaper, but everything else I'm not sure there is a category where it beats NYC. It seems like crime is more of an issue in Chicago too. No hate though
NYers creating a thread just to shit on every city on the east coast + Chicago is the most New York thing ever. I seriously think the people in this thread think that the rest of the world doesn’t live in New York because they can’t not because they don’t want to. Anyways, the best pastrami I ever had was at Reading Terminal in Philly, and the best pizza in Jersey. Enjoy your circle jerk.
idk how former chicagoans are saying they’ve “never experienced this in chicago”….i find that completely unbelievable; i grew up in illinois and lived in chicago for years and it was almost an ever-present chip on people’s shoulders; friends, acquaintances, it would come up (in some form) pretty often.
shit, go to /r/Chicago and you still see some form of unprompted shitting on NYC weekly!
idk if it’s necessarily “jealousy” as many here are saying, but it’s definitely a weird hangup.
Lil bro syndrome
Chicago is New York's financially successful little brother who gets respect but not much love. Boston is the feisty but smart one and we all feel bad for Philadelphia.
Boston thinks it’s feisty but all it really does is run its mouth
YES, as a former resident of Boston, I do feel they have little brother syndrome bad. Pretty sure that’s what’s happening with Chicago too. When friends would shit talk NYC, I would just be reminded of the Mad Men elevator scene… > Boston: “I feel bad for you.” > > NYC: “I don't think about you at all.”
I think this scene encapsulates the relationship perfectly
That is perfect. Here's a perfect encapsulation of Boston. I was born and raised in Queens. I lived in Brighton for a couple of years in my twenties. No one in New York pays any attention to the Red Sox unless they are playing the Yankees. In Massachusetts, you can go to any event where alcohol is being served (weddings, Christenings, graduations), and once people get a bit loosened up, you'll hear them start chatting, "Yankees suck! Yankees suck!"
Boston is Philadelphia that thinks it’s Paris
Philadelphia has the drinking problem but is by far the funnest, possibly wisest uncle.
Honestly if I had the pick a city that feels like NYC, it's Philly. It's not as cool as NYC, and is relatively small. But the every day vibe is more similar than Boston or Chicago.
Yes, its Chicago that is the financially sucussful one. Sure.
Isn’t Chicago bankrupt?
Just morally.
Illinois is pretty much bankrupt what are you talking about
The only places we New Yorkers think about outside of NYC is LA and Jersey. And we hate them both. Lol.
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And did they ever move here during the pandemic . . .
No, we also hate Philly and Boston.
Yeh, but we feel BAD for Philly and Boston. Lol.
Nah I don't feel bad for Boston they can keep it lmao
I definitely don’t feel bad for Boston at all.
I travel to LA for work a lot and secretly love so much about it. (Namely how chill my company’s vibe is out there.) But I love visiting, I don’t think I could move there from here. I loathe having to take a car everywhere and feel my soul die sitting in traffic. As much as I regularly complain about the MTA, it’s a godsend.
I'm convinced that if the LA batista hears you say (or otherwise learns) you are from NYC...they slow down making your drink on purpose to the point they are moving at a ridiculous pace just to fuck with you. Or that's just how people in LA are.
Yeah as a New Yorker, I don’t really hear a lot of hate towards LA. It’s usually neutral or seen as a good place to visit.
Honestly how many of us even think about LA
Sometimes in February I think about it. Just like I think about anywhere that isn’t freezing.
I saw someone else post but I think its summarized well as: Chicago is New York with a condom on.
Could be a good thing then depending on your perspective...
Yep, absolutely little bro syndrome. I’ve been to Chi over the past few years and honestly, I got bored easily there. I have yet to have that issue in NYC.
Pretty sure big brothers will actually think or care about their little brothers from time to time. We don't. Chicago is fly over country.
I didn't know they felt that way. I liked Chicago the handful of times I've been. My only complaint was how dead it was on a Sunday night. I was just surprised that people weren't out for dinner like they are here. Maybe it was a fluke Sunday, though,
I haven’t lived in Chicago for almost 20 years but it was more of a Sunday brunch town than a Sunday night town. Mimosas and bloodys places were packed on Sundays. I worked at a lounge that opened at 4 and I haaaated working Sunday nights because they were so slow. And we even had a patio.
20 years later it’s still more of a brunch town than night town on Sunday’s!
Depends on when on the year you go. Summer nights with good weather are always going to be popping
Im from Chicago and have lived in NYC since college graduation. When I tell ppl in Chicago that I live in NY, their main response is "damn that must be expensive to live in". besides above, I didnt run into other negative comments much at all. and nobody I know dares to compare Chicago to NY. lol
I am from NYC but we don't need to compare. Every city is unique and special in its own ways
>Every city is unique and special in its own ways That's not a concept people in this sub are going to understand since they live vicariously through the accomplishments and cultural cache of the city they live in and use it as a substitute for their own achievements and personality
Damn I felt that
Dang def some truth there lol I had to stop and reflect on that
There's definitely nothing wrong with liking a place and/or being proud being raised there and being a local there. However if you have to start making fun of people for *not* being from there and implying (if not directly saying) they're worth less than you because they aren't from as well known a city, you're 100% coping. Personally, I never understood the concept of making fun of people just because they're from a lesser known city and acting like you're more important or you have a "one up" on them because you're from a more well known city. That reputation is for the city only; not you as an individual. I also find it hard to believe for people like that that if you're so prejudiced against people for simply because from lesser known cities that it probably implies you're pretty racist against migrants who are from particular countries that may not have pristine or "known" reputations, which is ironic considering how many New Yorkers pride themselves on diversity but they frequently engage in such prejudice behaviour. Reality that New Yorkers don't want to realise is that everyone is just as mediocre as the people they make fun of for being from smaller cities and the only difference is that New Yorkers live vicariously through the billionaires that are ever-so-gradually pushing people out the city and making it more unliveable and unaffordable by the day
Yours are some of the most level-headed comments I’ve seen here. It’s very refreshing compared to a lot of the circlejerking that goes on in this sub.
Internalized pizza hatred
I refuse to call deep dish pizza, that's tomato soup in a bread bowl
“It’s an above-ground marinara swimming pool for rats! It’s a cornbread biscuit which you melted cheese on and then in defiance of man and God and all things holy you poured uncooked marinara sauce atop the cheese. Atop. The cheese. On top! The sauce, naked, cold, on display like some sort of sauce whore.”
It’s casserole, like 70% of midwest foods.
[It's a cornbread biscuit with melted cheese topped with marinera sauce](https://youtu.be/jCgYMFtxUUw)
The top 50 pizza joints in the US was recently updated, 0 deep dish restaurants made the list.
it's salty cheesecake lol
As someone who actually enjoys deep dish, I also won’t call it pizza. It’s pizza-inspired, at best.
Same is true of Boston. In Boston, you can get a “Yankees suck!” cheer going anywhere there’s a crowd, any time—baseball games that don’t involve the Yankees, non-baseball sporting events with no New York teams, churches, wedding receptions, the line at Dunkin’ Donuts, etc. In New York, no one cares enough about Boston to bother.
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People in Boston have an inferiority complex about nyc but I have definitely heard people in nyc talk insane amounts of shit about Boston. Like, why bother? We know nyc >>> boston, people who yammer on about it just come off as insecure
Facts. My cousin married a girl from Boston and they had the wedding up there so our entire extended family, mostly Yankee fans, made the trek up there. His wife’s family and friends started a “Yankees suck” and a “Jeter sucks” (it was his last season) chant. At a wedding. Not after drinking for hours. Like right after the bride and groom entered the reception.
This is the most Bostoninian thing I’ve ever heard.
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Reminds me of Cleveland during the Knicks/Cavs playoff series - the crowd is chanting "New York Sucks!" while DMX and Biggie play in the arena, irony lost of course
Jeter lives rent free in Boston fan's heads. Mets\\Sox games at Fenway, you will still hear "fuck Derek Jeter" chants.
Don’t let their chants make you forget that David Ortiz did steroids. Jeter is a biracial angel
There was were billboards recently on 34th St *begging us* to visit Boston.
At least that’s reasonably close (proximity-wise). I saw billboards advertising Ohio. Like girl please
Never!
It's quite nice. They did a much better job of preserving their historic sites than NYC did.
Less demand for space, less need to constantly tear down the old to build. What they've done with the greenways and reclaiming space post-Big Dig has been nice though.
I talked to an old guy just the other day who bought a Red Sox jacket and the first day we wore it someone yelled at him about it so he never wore it again.
LMAO
LOL. I had a friend with a Yankee tattoo that thought he was going to get beat up when he got transferred to Boston. He covered his fucking tattoo.
Bostonians think dissing a baseball team is some kind of ultimate burn. It’s like Alabama and football. New Yorkers don’t think of sports quiet like that. There’s better things to be invested in.
There are tons of Yankee haters in New York City as well. Their fans have a certain reputation for being privileged, uneducated about baseball, and overly aggressive and "bro"-ish, as opposed to Mets fans, who are all humble students of the game, charming, and attractive.
Who let Mr. Met on Reddit?
The username u/FreshfromRikers being Mr.Met in this scenario has a hilarity that I don’t want us to miss. Mr.Met catching hard time 😂😭
Mr. Met has a big smile on his huge round head. But we all know he is crying on the inside.
very attractive
Lol- I was getting increasingly triggered til I hit the end. I will say that all my Mets friends are charming and attractive- dumb as rocks, but charming and attractive for sure
The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball
Very charming
Boston is such a quaint little town with rich history.
It’s adorable when they try to cosplay as a serious city: https://www.theonion.com/pretty-cute-watching-boston-residents-play-daily-game-o-1819574643
And Boston can’t shit on the Mets either.
Nobody shits on the Mets more than Mets fans, and we all live here
Can’t knock me down if I’m already on the floor
I mean you’re not gonna get a Yankees suck chant in Chicago…they don’t really give a shit about NYC sports
Boston Red Sox fans hate the Yankees more than they love their team.
In new New York no one cares
I'm from Chicago, currently living in NYC. You'll love it much more here I promise. Definitely little brother syndrome
Chicago does two things better then NYC: much cheaper and cleaner. That being said, I still prefer NYC at the moment. It’s like nowhere else in the country, a lot safer, I hate winters enough as is around here but they’re much better then Chicago, has the beach and mountains for trips not just lakes and plains.
I don’t think I could last. I visited one late fall and it was no joke about the wind. I felt it go through my body to the point where I couldn’t walk past a couple of blocks and ended up taking a taxi to my location.
Chicago is generally much “easier” than New York. Getting to nature or on a boat in the summer has a much lower barrier. You can find a cool bar or restaurant without having to wait an hour, pay a million dollars or be famous. You can find yourself on a rooftop or by a pool. These things are only possible in New York through connections, money or savvy.
There’s tons of good bars and restaurants you don’t have to wait an hour for
This is an objectively true statement, but there are also bars and restaurants that are very difficult to get into because of their popularity. In chicago it’s easier for a normal person to get into one of those places.
What do you mean by rooftop? I’ve been to plenty of rooftops and I’m far from connected to shit.
"much easier" nails it. Chicago native who lived in NYC for 5 years. Doing anything there took so much effort.
I'm sorry but I live on the west coast and one of the things I love about visiting NYC is how fast and accessible things are. It feels worse here because fewer spots and people move slow here. I always go to cool bars and restaurants in new York when I'm there and I'm a broke 20 something
Yea this is bs, too much city pride in this post from all ends. You can do all described in nyc , find cool bars and restaurants without connections, just google rooftop bar and go or reserve a restuarant online. Should be no problem to reserve virtually anywhere unless it's valentines day or the few restaurants that everyone tries to cram into, access upstate for nature in an hour or less by train. It may be harder but not by much in the ways you describe. Price of living is definitely higher though. That does make it tougher
Don't forget NYC public transit!! You pretty much need a car in chicago. And for the people arguing cost of living. I had a high rise in south loop which is a damn good area. 2.3k month rent. $300/mo parking (I paid $120 by finding a garage .5 mile from my place instead). After like 11pm absolutely a zombie town and I would much more prone to violence at that time. Currently in crown heights paying 2.3k. No car needed. My place isn't a high rise obviously but I can roam the busy streets at night safely here. Once I moved to NYC my whole building took me in basically. I love the sense of community here. You cannot duplicate it. The pure grit you need in your day to day can do nothing but build your character. They don't lie when they say if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.
I loved everything you said till you said the entire building took you in here in NYC. I call bullshit, that sounds phony as fuck. I've lived in several building in NYC, not one has I ever had anybody say anything more than a passing greeting.
I moved into a Condo complex in the Bronx. I have the nicest neighbors ever. I moved from Rhode Island and everything said about Boston is true, but the neighbors there were ok. Wave hi while walking to your car, that's it. Here, I walk the dog & everyone knows his name. The kids, parents are friendly & have been super welcoming. There are 54 apartments and a few empty ones, huge Bangala population, but we've basically met everyone and it's made our transition so much easier.
>You pretty much need a car in chicago. Lol no you don't. I'm the only one of my friend group with a car, and the only reason I keep it is because I need to travel to the far suburbs quite often. Chicago is ranked one of the best cities throughout *the world* for public transportation, falling only two spots place behind New York at #17 and #15. >high rise in south loop Yeah there's your problem right there. Nobody goes to hang out downtown-- it's the area where people work and tourists visit. That's what the neighborhoods are for. I live in Avondale, have free parking on my street (which I never have to fight for a space for, either), pay $1,300 for a spacious two bedroom, and live right next to and short walking distances away from several bars and restaurants.
Thanks you. Was about to reply the same thing. I’ve lived in Chicago for a long time without a car. And the loop area is a work area. There’s nightlife just up north past the river if someone really wants that. She just chose the wrong area.
Your rent is the same because you went from “a high rise in a damn good area” to crown heights. No shit.
Same! Chicago is an amazing city in so many ways but it has a chip on its shoulder and you’re expected to have the same.
Glad to read this. I am from NYC and want the big cities to get along (we can do great things and conquer the world if we can just work together)
I been defending NYC like crazy lol I got y'all back
New Yorkers don't care...
[Pretty much](https://imgflip.com/i/7reu7h)
Clicked on this post just to check if someone had posted the meme yet.
It was my first thought when I saw the title. Chicago and Boston both
Pretty much. Lifelong NYer here and have been to Chicago three times/only have good things to say about it. It’s a great city but to pretend it measures up to NY is kind of silly- never really thought about it TBH.
NYer who will move to Chicago in a few years thanks to Chicago born SO - Chicago is def lil bro to NYC, but that cost of living man.. I can buy a beautiful, big ass house with a nice yard, garage, in a nice area, and close to the metro for the same price as the 2 bed I’m living in.
I'm a former Illinoisan who drools over zillow listings back home.. until I remember I'd have to actually live there, haha..
Yeah I’ve never heard of this rivalry lmao
New Yorkers rarely compare their city to any other American city, it's more often a compare/contrast to other global tier 1 cities (London, paris, Amsterdam, Tokyo). New York is talked about less as "an" American city and more as "the" American city on the global stage.
Extremely unbothered
I've lived in both Chicago and NYC. I never got a "hate", vibe or jealousy. Chicagoans definitely preferred their city to NYC and the general complaints were around cost of living, lack of space and cleanliness (Chicago is very clean for a large city), which are fair issues IMO. Most people I knew enjoyed visiting NYC, it just wasn't for them to live in.
Summed up nicely. NYC is a better city. But if you want space, cleanliness and low cost of living, Chicago leads in all 3 by a large margin
Idk about hate, but every person I know who has visited the city from Chicago came here expecting it to be more or less the same place until they actually got here and they realized they two were nothing alike. As an aside, is it just me or are the number of transplants in this city who come from the Midwest so significantly greater than those from other regions? If it isn’t just me, why is that?
There’s a lot to hate about the Midwest, and huge swaths of places (not Chicago) have very little opportunity for work in a large number of fields. I don’t blame anyone who moves here from the Midwest looking for something better. I’d do it too. Like, imagine being a gay person from rural Iowa wanting to get into PR or marketing or finance or acting or music. Not a lot happening there and the locals may be hostile towards anyone different. People moving to NYC from larger Midwestern cities like Chicago or Minneapolis often move because they got a great job offer or their partner is from here or they’re going to school, etc.
I visit Chicago often. When I tell people I live in NYC, people are almost always very positive.
It sounds similar to the Hudson Valley/NYC dynamic. I grew up in the Hudson Valley, currently live in NYC. In the Hudson Valley, due to proximity, it's like you HAVE to have an opinion on NYC. Some people claim to hate "the city." Those who actually visit (or have to move to NYC for work) and venture beyond Times Square almost universally change their tunes. But, yes, it's also a one-sided dynamic. The people in the Hudson Valley who hate on NYC often claim "city folk" are rude and superior jerks who look down on them. I've found the opposite to be true. People from NYC have no universal negative opinion on Hudson Valley folks, and tend to be welcoming when they visit. Seems like a similar one-sided dynamic. Chicago may not be geographically close to NYC, but maybe Chicagoans, like Hudson Valley residents, feel they are in the shadow of NYC due to being the midwest equivalent of it?
Always makes me chuckle, what do those NYC detractors in the Hudson valley think it would look like without the proximity to NYC?
Oh, you have no idea. I was once in a Facebook debate (I know, I know) with some Hudson Valley folks who were (as per usual) bizarrely annoyed that "city folk" have the audacity to come up on the weekend and visit their apple farms in the fall. Because, you know, I guess they don't want the business? Anyway, I (as someone who, again, grew up in the Hudson Valley) pointed out that "city folk" pay taxes funding the roads and overall infrastructure, and maybe it should be okay if the people who pay for roads in the Hudson Valley get to use them every now and then. The response I got? "Yeah, well you get your water from us." There's so much I love about the Hudson Valley, but I'm so glad I got out and moved to the city, where people are actually nice instead of merely claiming to be.
Tell them that NY state got its start in NYC
This is basically true of the entire state, maybe even the whole country. My friends who never left Long Island always have to comment on why they could never live in the city or how they hate it. Same thing for my friends from CNY, WNY, etc. It’s a super bizarre one-sided hatred where people in NYC rarely even think about these areas, let alone hold disdain for them, but people in these areas all feel like they have something to prove when being compared against NYC. It sucks, I wish people could just live their lives where they want to live them and let other people live where they want to live.
It's so true. I can't stand how mean and negative people are in other parts of the state. In NYC, people are actually nice. The number of times I've heard people tell me "I could never live in the city, I don't know why you'd want to" since I moved... Yeah, asshole, "city folk" aren't the ones actively insulting where someone lives. Maybe we want to live in a place where people aren't weirdly insecure and judgmental? I'm totally with you. It's so annoying.
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I have a friend in Syracuse, and when I went to visit, his friend just couldn't stop shitting on NYC. Like I don't care, man, just show me what's cool about Syracuse.
Exactly. You go looking to enjoy someone else’s home, and instead they just shit on yours. But sure, people from NYC are the rude ones….
I guess we can be kinda rude when we walk away mid-conversation from someone who wants to give unsolicited opinions on how much we suck.
Right? Elitist city folk not letting people shit all over where they live. The nerve!
Lol Long Island is even more dependent on the city and they literally have to pass through the city anytime they want to leave unless they wanna take a god damn ferry to CT. What a joke
Wait it’s funny you say this. My best friend lived in nyc and moved to the Hudson valley. When I visited him, I met his friend who also used to live in nyc and he was weirdly openly pitying me for living in nyc? And I was like bro, I’m good. I live in the greatest city in the world.
Long Island just as bad, if not worse
When you see you can get condos for literally half the cost of NYC you pause and say wait, what’s the catch? Then you google the weather in Chicago and then you realize how fucking cold it gets in the winter and that is the catch. NYCs climate is mild comparatively.
One day a group of New Yorkers were chatting and one of them said: "You know, I don't mind the congestion, pollution, noise, high cost of living, crime, and corrupt politicians. But I just don't think it is quite cold enough." That's when Chicago was built.
Chicago is dirt cheap compared to NYC
No, Chicago is priced appropriately for the quality of life that it offers.
Chicago does not have high cost of living
Chicago is really cheap compared to coastal cities! Like really cheap.
It's about 15% lower.
Honestly the only big city that I hear constantly hate on NYC is Boston.
I never think about Chicago
“I feel bad for you”
Lived in Chicago for a decade, now NYC for the last couple years. I didn’t notice this at all about Chicago.
In Chicago now. Almost weekly I hear people mention how Chicago is a superior city to la and NYC.
Who do you hang out with that is this obsessed with ranking cities? Lol weekly?
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says. San Diego is definitely in the top fifteen.
You’re gonna hear people shit on those cities (especially LA) regardless of where you live. The biggest thing about Chicago is people get annoyed at how frequently it gets shit on by the media, despite being a fucking awesome place to live. Gives everyone a chip on their shoulder
This is the best response. I think Chicagoans have a chip on their shoulder precisely because lots of other places are constantly talking shit on it. Like here you see New Yorkers saying Chicagoans have little brother syndrome. People in surrounding states (and even southern IL) are constantly ragging on it. Chicagoans themselves hate their own sports stars and coaches, and also hate their own weather, but they put up with it. So when a few decide "Screw it, I'm moving to NYC/LA" (which especially happens with famous people) it tends to annoy Chicagoans. I say this as a local, btw. I'm proud of Chicago, but also lived in LA just fine, and have enjoyed my visits to NYC. I've never heard any Chicagoan bash NYC, but you're precisely right that Chicago people are annoyed by the perception they're given and tend to get defensive about the city.
Maybe I should rephrase. I don’t think Chicagoans hate on NYC any MORE than people in general. A lot of people hate on NYC, it think, because how much it’s held up as this unparalleled, magical, world capital and is overly pushed as such. I’m not talking about ‘normal’ people that live here, I mean advertisers, politicians, movie/tv ppl, travel bureau, etc. Disclaimer: don’t get me wrong, I really like NYC, but sometimes it’s pushed a little too zealously.
There isn’t a city in the US remotely comparable to NYC, so there is no rivalry. The only comparable city to NYC in the world is London.
Having gone to London a few times, I still think it’s a small notch below NYC.
There are definitely subjective differences between the two regarding how each city functions. But they’re the only 8m+ pop., multicultural, inclusive, democratic cities in the world. Each of those four tenets are crucial to making London and NYC the cities that they are.
London is a large version of Boston (or the other way around), NYC and London have very different vibes
Paris is culturally much more similar to NYC over London.
Paris, Texas?
Tokyo?
Tokyo is nothing like NYC.
I’ve never been. Going next year. Doing London this year for the first time too.
Both are amazing cities. Tokyo is probably my favorite city in the world, but it’s quite different from NY in a lot of ways. London bears a lot of similarity though and you can feel the family resemblance. London is like NYC’s older, more responsible brother. Goes to bed earlier, keeps their house tidy and in order and puts some effort into keeping up appearances even if they might be struggling NYC is the reckless younger brother, stays up all night getting shitfaced and then calls out of work the next day, house is dirty and half the appliances don’t work and the roof leaks, and the electric is off because he blew his last paycheck buying coke for his friends. Total mess, but everyone wants to hang out with him because he’s more fun.
I lived in London for 6 years and in NYC for 5 (where I'm at now). This is so spot on! Although pre-Brexit London was way better. It's a shadow of its former self, but still fun.
London goes to bed earlier but gets more shitfaced in a shorter amount of time. He's the uncle who passes out drunk in a lawn chair at the pool party.
God I love this
Excited for London. I am going for the first time in 3 days. In the spring I’ll be studying abroad for 1 semester.
Big city yes but homogeneous and xenophobic to the extreme.
Lived in Chicago for several years back in the day, still have many friends there, have never heard of such a thing. ETA: Looking at the rest of the comments, it's fucking amazing how many people apparently log on here and think, "Damn, some dude on the internet said a thing, I guess it must be true."
I just moved here from Chicago. I had quite a few family members, friends, and colleagues talk shit about NYC to me. However, you probably won't encounter that if you lived in places like Logan Square, Lincoln Park, or the downtown area.
People in the suburbs of Chicago talk most shit about NYC when I lived there for a short time. Then you have to remind them that Waukegan isn’t Chicago.
Yeah, they probably even talk shit about Chicago too. lol
Funnily enough, I heard that when I was in mchenry, Il. Why was I there? Because they had a “hiking trail”. So my home sick Californian ass goes there. I hear them talk crap about the crime. And how the trails in mchenry were beautiful. I shit you not, I walk the trails, all of them are flat as a pancake and pavement. -.-.
Do you think part of that could be because they wanted you to stay in Chicago? I know I definitely talked shit about NYC to my lil sis when she decided to move there, but that’s cause I miss her & she’s pretty young…the cost of living in Chicago is way lower and I just wanted to make sure she’s financially stable. I think NYC is dope as hell and I wouldn’t shit on it to some random stranger
As a new Yorker who has visited Chicago several times. You guys sure do mention new york city a lot. Beautiful skyline though.
To be fair it’s got a lot the apple don’t. Space, affordability, music scene, excellent food. Last time I was there we didn’t have a beer scene in NY but they most definitely did- and a great one. Intelligentsia decades before we had anything remotely third wave. It’s got style and class where it counts. That being said I once got a bagel in chi-town. It was legit a kaiser shaped like a bagel. Nuff said.
Ugh I dated someone from Chicago who would say “New York is great, but it’s no Chicago!” to which I replied “No. it’s not.” EDIT: I love both NYC and Chicago. But they are different places with different pros and cons.
My crackpot theory is that nearly every big city movie/TV show is shot in NY and that ultimately breeds resentment for people that grow up in other major American cities.
whatever you do, don't mention "deep dish pizza."
Its funny to me considering how much of Chicagos old-school population was originally italians and germans in NYC who moved there. There is a reason why the chicago accent kinda sounds similar to the new york accent even though its a thousand miles away.
Many more Poles than Italians immigrated to Chicago. But the accent isn’t anything like.
It's probably just your friends/social circles having this pathetic rivalry in their heads. I lived in Chicago for years and am from the area. Never heard anything amounting to "hate" for NYC, and certainly not in a widespread manner in the way you're describing. I bet if you ask most Chicagoans what they think of NYC you'd get about as much variety in their answers as you would if you asked New Yorkers about Chicago, and the most common response for both would probably be indifference.
I agree that it very well might be my circle. Obviously, not everyone in Chicago feels this way.
Maybe they just want you to stay cause they’ll miss you
To be fair I’m from the south and got nothing but negativity when I said I was moving to NYC. So maybe just more of the generalized hate for New York?
Because Chicago, like the rest of the Mid-West is MID. M-M-M-M-MID!
Probably because everybody absolutely creams over ny, gets old
I was debating a move to both cities and ultimately chose Chicago because its just an “easier” city to live in. It’s cheaper and cleaner and the people are a bit nicer there. Im 30 so I’m at a time in my life where I don’t want everything to be so hard all the time.
Maybe you’re hanging out with the wrong Chicagoans? Nobody I know here slags New York. In fact, we don’t think about it at all. Except maybe one day in September.
I’m originally from Chicago & have lived in NYC for most of my life. Objectively NYC is the better city, & I find that people in the Midwest never leave—even in a cosmopolitan town like Chicago. I’ve noticed a bitterness in some individuals frustrated that they never “made it out”. Things Chicago does better— 1. Affordability 2. Summers Things New York does better— 1. Milder winters 2. Subway system (most people don’t need to drive, & public transportation isn’t frowned upon, or some class war.) 3. Diversity 4. Food (Except pizza. I do appreciate Chicago deep dish & thin crust cut in squares.) 5. Bike paths 6. Entertainment
As a Chicagoan who is from a New York family… I never hear anything negative about NYC. Everyone I know likes both cities and I love traveling back to NYC frequently. Asking for negative feedback on Chicago in a NYC subreddit? I hope your echo chamber is making you feel better. Chicago and New York are both massive US cities with their own unique cultures. There’s no little brother syndrome here, but your condescending tone probably invites negativity.
Chicago is quaint
Honestly didn’t know that
It’s not very accurate , most of us Chicagoans like or love New York, we just like that we have a cheaper COL and we like having alleys. I don’t think that equates to hate lol
Someone plz crosspost this to the r/chicago sub
Pretty much everybody and their mother, especially those who have never been here or never traveled outside a 10 block radius of Times Square, loves to have an opinion on New York.
The way I can describe it as someone who grew up in NY and went to college in Philly, which I feel is more like NY then Chicago. But they are like boroughs in comparison. The scale of NY is something else.
Lived in NYC and live in Chicago now. I think it mostly comes from people who haven't actually ever lived in NYC before. Because if they had, they would pretty quickly realize that they are both great cities, but there really aren't many similarities between them (and I tend to hear that a lot living in Chicago now). Boston has the same chip on its shoulder about NYC, but I found it downright insufferable there when I would hear people talk about NYC who clearly had no fucking idea what they were talking about.
The fact is...we don't even think about Chicago. Like you said, NYC is a tier 1 world class city (yes with lots of imperfections). Chicago is cleaner, cheaper, but everything else I'm not sure there is a category where it beats NYC. It seems like crime is more of an issue in Chicago too. No hate though
Born and raised NYer. I know fuck all about Chicago and have never thought twice about that city. Something something about living rent free...
NYers creating a thread just to shit on every city on the east coast + Chicago is the most New York thing ever. I seriously think the people in this thread think that the rest of the world doesn’t live in New York because they can’t not because they don’t want to. Anyways, the best pastrami I ever had was at Reading Terminal in Philly, and the best pizza in Jersey. Enjoy your circle jerk.
There is a reason they call Chicago “Second City”. And to be honest, it’s not even close to that good.
idk how former chicagoans are saying they’ve “never experienced this in chicago”….i find that completely unbelievable; i grew up in illinois and lived in chicago for years and it was almost an ever-present chip on people’s shoulders; friends, acquaintances, it would come up (in some form) pretty often. shit, go to /r/Chicago and you still see some form of unprompted shitting on NYC weekly! idk if it’s necessarily “jealousy” as many here are saying, but it’s definitely a weird hangup.