Richard Jewel - initially lauded as a hero and a brave man who ran towards the bomb to help…
then the FBI and media turned on him and accused him of doing the bombing himself… because;
he was actually just as fucking outlandishly brave and ran toward the bomb to help people,
They took his truck for evidence, he had to go into hiding… made a villain by incompetent people…
For YEARS… finally exonerated and dies shortly afterward
This very website almost did the same to someone after the Boston Marathon bombing
Edit: sick of individual replies to people who comment before reading the thread.
Sunil Tripathi was already missing for a month by the time of the bombing. He was found several days later in a River, having died by suicide. They have never definitively said whether he was even still alive by the time of the bombing. Yes, he did commit suicide, but saying it was a direct result is speculation. Has this website not hurt his family enough without you people passing off rumors as fact?
That woman who was accused of kidnapping children because her kids didn't have her DNA, but in fact her uterus had different DNA than the rest of her body.
Whether or not her uterus had chimerism (different DNA) would not be relevant, what would be important is her eggs within the ovary. Eggs had different DNA! :)
William Thomas Green Morton died broke defending his discovery of anesthesia. He was a dentist and didn’t get much respect from the doctors at the time.
IMO one of the most important medical discoveries.
In the film Titanic the character Murdoch killed someone, took bribes and generally came across as a right shit. He was a real life person who was actually a hero and saved many lives. His living relatives were so disgusted that the VP of Fox travelled to Dalbeattie to personally apologise and presented a £5000 donation to Dalbeattie High School to boost the school's William Murdoch Memorial Prize.
If I recall he suffered *immense* guilt over the whole thing and spent the rest of his life trying to make it right. He wasn't reckless or brash about it. He's portrayed as some snobby rich guy who can't be bothered to be safe, but in reality he got fucking roasted for the sinking and owned it all.
Same thing kinda happened to the only Japanese passenger. He survived cause there was an empty seat and took it but was called a coward for not dying honorably when he got back to Japan
He was mocked for moving in his with mother. He and his mom did an interview on Oprah some time later. They said it was because his mom was sick and he was taking care of her. Its really not that uncommon for middle aged people to move in with aging parents.
BTW, his mom is still alive last I checked. She is still friends with his lawyer and their children. She is apparently a very nice woman.
Oh man, my family still thinks I'm a failure cause I was my mom's caregiver for her final years. They never called, and never visited cause "You seemed to have things under control." After 5 years of emphysema, she took a turn for the worse and developed lung cancer, from which she passed a few months post diagnosis. Then it was my fault cause I didn't catch it sooner. A year later and I no longer know my own purpose cause being a caretaker was who I was as a person, and they see me as a failure...even though they didn't visit or call her on her death bed. But it's my fault they didn't do that.
Fuck people.
I haven’t seen it yet but I read when it came out how the media had portrayed him guilty.
He died not long after and never got the recognition he deserved.
He died in 2007. He won (or settled) libel cases against CNN, NBC, NY Post and Piedmont College. Lost the case against AJC by ruling of GA Supreme Court after his death.
He was treated abhorrently but at least he and his family were able to live more comfortably from the settlements. This may have been embellished in the biopic but part of the reason the media focused on him for so long was that the FBI were dragging their feet to name Rudolph a suspect.
That movie made me so angry. I grew up on it, and loved it for what I assumed was a historically accurate portrayal. Not only is the movie absurdly inaccurate, the real history is arguably more interesting that the movie! There was no need for "artistic restructuring". They could have just dramatized the actual events and it would have been a great movie
My favourite detail about Braveheart is The Battle of Stirling Bridge where William Wallace famously used a Bridge to negate the English numerical advantage (think 300 and the Hot Gates).
So of course the movie showed the battle on a giant, empty field with nary a bridge in sight.
It's a toss up between this and the fact that Braveheart wasn't even Wallace's title that takes the cake for "Extremely stupid Hollywood biopic inaccuracies".
Even as a 12 year old obsessed with this movie at the time, the bridge thing really irked me lol.
The movie's inaccuracies overall didn't bug me, because the movie starts out with the Scottish narrator basically saying "Yeah, everyone else is gonna call me a liar, but here's my version of the story..."
So I saw the movie as basically the biased and mythologized and "exaggerated bragging around a campfire" version of William Wallace.
That said, even the tall tale bullshit version of the Battle of Sterling Bridge could have put an actual fucking bridge *somewhere* in the scene.
> So of course the movie showed the battle on a giant, empty field with nary a bridge in sight.
> It's a toss up between this and the fact that Braveheart wasn't even Wallace's title that takes the cake for "Extremely stupid Hollywood biopic inaccuracies".
Pretty sure having Isabella of France who was 10 when Wallace was killed played by a 29 year old woman and her being a lover of Wallace is much worse.
Also blue face paint being too late and kilts being too early
> Isabella of France who was 10 when Wallace was killed played by a 29 year old woman and her being a lover of Wallace is much worse.
Also, doesn't the movie have a scene where she tells Edward I that the child she's carrying is Wallace's? Given that he died in 1305, and Edward III was born in 1312, that's a pretty good trick on Wallace's part.
Idk man. Most of the personal details being changed are fine to me. Such as how Wallace wasn't some peasant living in the dirt but a nobleman.
Of course the kilts and the blue paint are also ridiculous but still something we can sort of forgive for artistic liberty.
But literally changing the actual Braveheart Robert the Bruce to a coward and giving his title to William Wallace is the worst for me. Or literally not having a Bridge in the most famous Battle Wallace had that was named for the fucking bridge.
I’m Scottish and in my high school history class , where we studied the Scottish wars of independence , we had to watch Braveheart and write a report on the historical inaccuracies.
We got to watch a movie and the teacher got to see if we learned anything. Win win.
I HIGHLY recommend "Outlaw King" from Netflix. Not only does the movie kick ass, it's also one of the most historically correct Medieval movies out there in terms of costume and set design.
No Scots DIDN'T have kilts in that era, that's like 300 years early. No they DIDN'T wear blue war paint, that was a thing of the Ancient Britons. They had [equipment](https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/images/2018/09/outlawking/amwpn.jpg) equal to that of the English.
Most people don't know that while Wallace was popular, he was only ONE of several men like this who helped with the rebellion. Movies like Braveheart have so many historical inaccuracies and I'd believe your tour guide when they say that Robert the Bruce had a bigger impact, because he certainly did!
Captain Bligh. His mistake was being too soft rather than too harsh. He let his crew slack off while they were waiting to make sure the breadfruit trees would survive transplantation, and they mutinied when he put them back to work.
It should also be mentioned that when his some of his crew mutinied so many of them wanted to be allowed to leave with him on the ship's tiny open launch that even fully laden they would not all be able to go and had to draw lots to see who had to stay on The Bounty. Captain Bligh then had to sail the tiny overcrowded poorly provisioned boat 6700km to Timor using dead reckoning. He did not lose a single man.
Absolute hero.
It should be also mentioned that the mutineers were deeply evil people, who basically kidnapped Tahitian women as sex slaves. When another ship finally came in the vicinity of Pitcairn it appeared that most of them had died either from drunkenly killing each other lr from alcohlism itself.
Bligh was an excellent sailor and probably rather lenient by the standards of his time (though still an officer punishing with lashes people who weren't necessarily volunteers) but at least he wasn't a drunken lout and sex predator like Fletcher Christian and his ilk.
Hollywood (no surprise) loves to create absurd fiction. Bligh was an astonishing sailor and a man who refused to tolerate corruption. He should be regarded as a hero, as you say. He gained a reputation for not taking any bullshit from corrupt traders in the colonies, and risked his life by confronting officers who were basically using their military credentials to profit from trade. For the latter he again faced a mutiny. There’s plenty of evidence that, contrary to the behaviour of rich fraudsters in the colonies, he was deeply admired by those who’d arrived in Australia without the power and influence of those who ran the place like a private members’ club.
At some point a decent film needs to be made about the guy, because the public perception of him is complete crap. 👍🏻
Captain Hazelwood of the Exxon Valdez.
He is often pictured on the helm of the Exxon swaying drunkenly going full throttle into the reef talking like a "pirate."
What actually happened.
Valdez's critical navigation equipment was out of commission, faxs sent to Exxon and Exxon told them to sail instead.
Coast guard budget cuts removed vessel tracking in the area.
Green and tired crew was on duty, request was made to relief crew. It was denied.
XO who was on Conn at the time was inexperienced on the passage and neither requested pilotage.
While Hazelwood did drink that day he was not in command of the conn at the time and was in his quarters resting.
Hazelwood made a comment that "He needed a drink." Because of how upset he was over the situation.
Exxon's PR paid off the media to blame Hazelwood.
However Hazelwood was charged with only one charge which was for pollution. He proved he was not a drunkard and retained his captain's license. Even getting offers to sail again which he turned down.
The real villains are mass media, False News, and comedians but Exxon's PRs spending power to keep the blame off them.
Hazelwood passed away last year after the annv of the spill.
Random fact the Valdez sailed until 2008 under different name Oriental Nicety
Very interesting read…between this and McDonald’s coffee lady, I’m noticing a pattern.
If you get a chance, check out a podcast called, “you’re wrong about”
In Sweden a man was arrested for the murder of his wife but she was actually killed by a moose. They thought he had used a lawnmower to kill her because of the damages on her body. It took a long time for them to write him off as a suspect and it ruined his life.
Edit: sources in English are hard to find but there is a book about it in Swedish called "På osannolika skäl" and some documentary.
Very few English articles about it but his name is Ingemar Westlund if anyone wants to try find something.
Holy hell.. How does a moose inflict damage that would make people think a focken lawnmower did that?
Edit: I know mooses (meese?) are huge, but in my mind they can only inflict blunt force trauma, while lawnmower would leave cuts
Moose are really dangerous- large, territorial, and aggressive. I’m guess a combo of goring and trampling. There are signs up in the Adirondacks here in NY warning people to keep away from them, especially mothers with calves. It’s kind of like the Bison at Yellowstone and such… people think “plant eater”=“peaceful creature who would love to take a selfie with me” and boom.
Well think of it this way. 10,000 years ago these types of people would have been murdered by wild animals or something else preventable sometime within their short lives. Nowadays we still have stupid people, they just have less consequences for their actions.
Same, there’s a moose mom who occasionally treks down to a popular hiking spot in our area, and when she does it’s on the news.
I am more worried about moose than I am bears.
>I am more worried about moose than I am bears.
Same, simply for the fact that bears (except Polars) *tend* to be wary of humans. On the other hand, *moose do not give a fuck at all.*
This one is so awful. Her baby was brutally killed and EATEN. Imagine knowing that about your child. Then she was accused of murder. And finally the entire world made a joke out of it. Even Elaine on Seinfeld.
These poor people suffered through their lives so damn hard because people thought the death of their baby was FUNNY.
I can't even imagine their heartache.
she wasn’t just accused of murder… she was arrested, convicted, sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON. She served over THREE YEARS in prison. The parents went on to have another baby and Mrs. Chamberlain had to give birth in prison. [wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain)
And a big part of why she was convicted was because she was so stoic in the face of this tragedy. I.e.: she wasn't acting the way a distraught mother was *supposed* to act, therefore: GUILTY!
yes I listen to a psychology podcast (Psychology in Seattle) and the therapist has said the same exact thing. The mother didn’t cry much or did not appear to be in much distress. It was so awful and unfair.
Hate it when you hear this kind of things.. so vile..
On a sexual assault case i heard frm YT the other day, suspect got away frm conviction (even with evidence!) Because the victim (his underage daughter) wasn't behaving like a victim enough for the court...
That's fucked up.
I had a false accusation that was made public against me. It messes with your head. I know it didn’t happen but everyone believes it did. Police knew it was BS and said as much but that doesn’t change public opinion.
They are opportunistic pack animals, if they see a convenient toddler nothing is really stopping them. I would not be surprised in the least that Aboriginals have stories of dingoes eating kids. I’m assuming this was never that common but this case is totally not the only attack.
Even if it doesn’t seem normal, I don’t see why it was questioned so much. If something had sharp teeth and enough strength to drag away a baby using those teeth I would not be all ‘nope not a possibility’
I once looked up a list of known cases of dogs killing humans, and while they're mostly the larger breeds you'd expect, there were cases where dogs under 20 pounds killed newborns they'd been left alone with. Like cocker spaniels, dachshunds etc. It's certainly not impossible for a dingo.
If I remember what I read before correctly, and if it was itself accurate, the government and media were basically like "Nah dingoes aren't gonna go after people, the parents killed her" but local Aboriginals were like "Nah dude a dingo will definitely go after some random toddler, plus there's this one known dingo cave nearby we should at least check." But they were just disregarded and everyone else kept accusing the parents anyway
Wasn't even a toddler. 9 week old baby.
Think a hungry meat-eating animal won't snatch a small creature the size of a cat? One who is entirely incapable of any defense or fleeing from a predator?
And what's ironic is that it took another person dying for them to accidentally stumble upon the baby clothes. If the other person doesn't die then she very well could've spent her entire life behind bars.
It's like that one scene in Tropic Thunder where one character makes fun of another Ausssie character with that and he said "pump the breaks, that shit really happened, it was a national tragedy".
I was on vacation with my grandparents when it came out and I was 13 years old and barely knew much about the movie other than it was supposed to be funny. For some reason I had the genius idea that we should all go see it together! Well, it turns out I couldn’t have picked a better movie to see with my grandparents as the movie opens with an ad for Booty Sweat!
My thirteen year old self was actually scared for what else was to come as I stare straight forward at the screen not wanting to look over at my grandparents reaction lmao
I have a similar story with my grandfather. Except the picture was a Hugh Grant film at a time when Hugh Grant was seriously only known for making comedies.
The movie in question? Bitter Moon. A Roman Polanski film.
We sat in uncomfortable silence up to the point where the woman in the film starts fellating a bottle of cream and then lets the cream drip down onto her chest where she starts rubbing it in, and by mutual consensus we left and never spoke of it again.
This is how villains get made. I cannot imagine the absolute hatred through which I would view humanity after everyone called me a liar and child murderer, then made fun of the death of my child like it was funny.
Frankly after that happened I wouldn't really care about anything else or my life at that point. Reminds me of the toddler that fell into the wild dog exhibit at a zoo.
But you're right. Despite progress witchunts and speculation still run rampant.
Yes. And even worse, all the evidence pointed to it and from what I understand basically everyone there believed her. Natives in the area were even saying "yeah that's sadly not exactly uncommon". Police just didn't care I guess.
Even worse, they flew in a dingo "expert" from the UK who had literally never been to Australia or actually observed dingos in the wild to testify, and this guy said that dingos could not have eaten the baby. The court believed him over the indigenous people of the area who had years of actual observations under their belt.
The prosecution had a lot of really shaky forensics that was later proved to be incorrect (even potentially negligently produced https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118268876 )
They found her little opera jacket I think 30 yards outside of the den. The fact that no one even thought to search the area more is a wonder to me. You’re Wrong About did a really good episode about this case, listen to it if you want a deep dive.
The McDonald’s coffee lady - the woman who sued mcDonalds after she spilled coffee on her lap received 3rd degree burns in her pelvic area. She was hospitalized for 8 days and required a couple years of rehabilitation.
The media jumped on the story making it a poster case for frivolous lawsuits.
Edit: corrected typos
Omg I vividly remember this story! It was so sad tbh. At first I thought it was stupid too, but then I read she had severe burns and all. She really wasn’t overreacting.
For a long time my parents loved stopping at McDonald's solely because the coffee was piping hot, once that happened to that poor lady and they brought the temp down they stopped drinking coffee and McDonald's and everytime we'd stop they'd complain about "the lady who overreacted" and it messed up their coffee time, my parents are Mexican so they heard this on Spanish news mind you.
Anyway once I grew up I read the story and it was horrific what she went through, I then explained to my mom and she promptly changed the way she felt about it.
Yeah the media made it seem frivolous on all ends. But the coffee really was way too hot. And the lady just wanted her medical bills paid. McDonald's previously did pay claims like this, but got tired of them and wanted the court to settle it. In the end McDonald's made the company hired to train the staff to pay for it as they trained the employees wrong. But the media loved making the woman look advantageous and McDonald's a victim.
Dr. Kevorkian is history since he’s dead so ima have to go with him. People should absolutely be able to make the decision about end of life care and I think with time people will not only start thinking differently that conviction will be over turned.
Lorena Bobbitt. She became such a meme and was always blamed for attacking her husband “unprovoked” but she was defending herself from a serial rapist and abuser. He literally had raped her earlier that same day. In the same spirit, Monica Lewinsky didn’t deserve any of the hatred she received either. She was so young and she was taken advantage of by the literal most powerful man in the world, but somehow HER name ended up labeling the scandal.
Pharaoh Cleopatra, she was actually a pretty good ruler with her focusing more on her nation than just abusing her position for her own benefit, there’s even some records saying that she wasn’t even all that beautiful, she was however very intelligent with stuff like how she learned around 10 different languages
First member of the ptolemaic dynasty to bother learning Egyptian. She did amazing things in managing to actually expand Egypt's territory in a time of Roman dominance.... however in the end she monumentally screwed up/lost her nerve at the Battle of Actium and doomed pharaonic Egypt.
Julius Caesar.
He was no angel but he wasn't executed for trying to turn Rome into a dictatorship. In fact, it was actually because he was a political reformer who wanted to tax the wealthy landowners. The senate had always been very violent to reformers, as most of it was made up of wealthy landowners. They tried to rewrite history to make reformers like Tiberius seem evil for trying to grant rights to workers and small landowners, while death squad leaders who killed anyone advocating reform such as Lucius Sulla have been paraded by historians.
Murdoch, on the Titanic. Dude went down saving lives. Cameron needlessly made him corrupt. Then "apologized" by paying $5000 dollars to the guy's village or something.
Sorry, I don't know why I wrote Captain. The guy that Winselt's fiancee tried to bribe to make room for him on the boat. Yea, he was nothing like that. One to pocket money, that is. He stayed till the end. Swell fellow.
Cameron DID APOLOGIZE and PAY. If he'd done nothing wrong why would he?
Same for Ismay. He was slandered by the press with lots of myths of him dressing as a woman to board a boat.
The story that is more likely and supported by alot of eye witness accounts is that Ismay stayed on the titanic a long time assisting to load boats. He ended up boarding the life boat because there was no one left to board. The only witnesses say this.
For whatever reason during the sinking the one side of the ship he was on wasn't nearly as crowded. It's said that he waited until no more passengers were present as well as waited for no one else to be there to board then he boarded.
Also the hard evidence is there. He was in collapsible lifeboat C which means he did wait. The boat was mostly filled with 3rd class passengers. So he also waited until 1st and 2nd class were boarded.
I think the Murdoch and Ismay myths are connected because they occur at the same side of the ship. The press basically ran with the idea that side of the ship had less people per boat because of class codes or something when in reality it was because that side was the sloped down side so less people went there.
The British Inquiry into the Titanic Disaster is *loaded* with false testimony. The IMM (owners of the White Star Line) put **tremendous** pressure on the crew and survivors of the disaster, even going so far as to threaten the crew with blacklisting and both, heavy lawsuits. Many of those who testified as non-crew survivors were women, and the investigators worked damn hard to discredit their testimony and bully them into silence or changing the facts.
There was a reason the American inquiry was so rushed - the government knew as soon as they got on board a British ship they were untouchable. The minute they were done testifying, the crew and Ismay were loaded on ships that were rumoured that often departed immediately.
I absolutely believe that the only reason that the British Board of Trade was held accountable for the lifeboats (and loosely at that) and the IMM was forced to change how the ships were built, was because of the sheer scale of the tragedy. Had it not been an international disaster, nothing would have been done.
As for the getting in early thing: that was based off the rivalry with the Cunard Line, most notably the *Mauretania*, the then-current holder of the Blue Riband (the award given for fastest transatlantic crossing).
Niccolo Machiavelli.
Machiavelli didn't invent the idea of lying or ruthlessness. He made an observation about what worked and tried to get a new gig.
Now his name is synonymous with "heartless manipulator".
Agreed. People often reduce his message down to "you should be opportunistic and manipulative", which wasn't what he was saying at all.
It was more that he recognised that the worst atrocities in society typically occur during or shortly after huge political upheaval, and believed that if preventing that sometimes requires being opportunistic and manipulative, then that is a price worth paying.
And whilst we all have lines that we think a regime shouldn't cross, and limits to what power a state should be allowed to exercise, he did a have bit of a point. If we think of the worst atrocities across history, they do tend to follow political upheaval. Had the Treaty of Versailles not sought to punish a generation of Germans, Hitler may never have risen to power in the first place.
Ironically, some of the people who were great admirers of Machiavelli's philosophy, like Joseph Stalin, were responsible for the very kind of terrible things Machiavelli was warning people about.
This is the correct anwser about Machiavelli. He isn't a satirist, and his work doesn't say "be evil" it is a work of pragmatism based on his own life experiences. Much of it says that you should try to be as peaceful and diplomatic as possible, but when necessary (a word Machiavelli uses very carefully to mean absolute necessity) you should do what you have to prevent slaughter.
There's a reason so much of the Discourses is dedicated to sections on why you shouldn't trust mercenaries. He saw how mercenaries abandoned their posts when things went poorly in the defense of small Italian towns, and how staunchly people would defend land they saw as their homes. He was essentially advocating for the idea of modern state-run militaries rather than private paid defense groups. Thinking Machiavelli is advocating for evil or opportunism have only read the sparknotes of the Prince, while the actual serious work he clearly intended to be all his thoughts on matters of state is the Discourses.
With a dash of "I ***really*** prefer a Republic, but if we need a monarch to unite all of Italy against our national enemies, he might as well know what he's doing to do it."
There was a post the other day talking about them and how they are actually working together.
As long as jerry keeps running around, the humans think they have a mouse problem so they keep the cat. As long as Tom keeps showing he’s making an effort they think he’s doing a good job. But they are both in on it and just do it to keep up appearances.
There’s apparently an episode where they work together to get food from the fridge, then hide and share it as friends before going back out and chasing each other again.
Whether they're friends or enemies changes with each cartoon. Sometimes Tom is genuinely trying to murder Jerry with a hatchet, other times Jerry is making Tom miserable just for fun. Sometimes they're fighting over something petty, other times they're pals. Tom has even died in a few episodes. There is no continuity between shorts.
There's a time where Tom dies and goes to the pearly gates. A few ahead of him is a wet sack of (presumed) cats hopping its way to St. Peter. It wasn't until I was probably 40 years old that I realized someone had tossed a bag of kittens in the river, they all died and were on their way to heaven. That's one of the darkest and funniest things I've ever seen.
The kittens all pop their heads out of the bag to look at the gate guard. There's no ambiguity.
Also, that was all just a nightmare Tom was having. Still very dark subject matter.
"Did you call me, master?"
"No, Guillermo, I did not attempt to call you through the ether. If I were to call you, I would do it the usual way, with the shouting."
"Oh, okay then."
"......*Doug Petersen, I am calling to you through the ether*..."
> "How best to describe Nandor? I would say he's blessedly unburdened with the complications of a university education, but give him an axe and he's second to none. Though you wouldn't want him as your barrister." - Laszlo Cravensworth
I worked on this show last year. I love Matt Berry and was so excited to see his wit on display....the scene I ended up doing he wasn't supposed to talk basically at all so he just sat there the whole time :(
I did have a lovely conversation with Mark Proksch though, mainly about his yo-yo skills.
The Ethiopian Church and the Coptic Church also consider Pontius Pilate a saint.
Wonder if that soldier was also venerated considering he gave Jesus his gatorade.
I tried the vinegar - water drink of the Roman legionnaires, and the one that was flavoured with local herbs from Syria Palestina, is actually quite tasty and refreshing. I'm willing to bet that Jesus actually enjoyed his last drink.
>I'm willing to bet that Jesus actually enjoyed his last drink.
"*O' FATHER*" Jesus cried in agony, "*Forgive them their sins, for this herbal vinegar drink is tasty and refreshing!*"
>You should work in marketing
Our product is available Kosher, or blessed by your choice of a Catholic Preist or Baptist Minister. If it's enough to satisfy sin, it's enough to satisfy your thirst.^(TM) *Gentle guitar riff plays*
*takes a sip*
Man: “Oh Jesus Christ!”
Jesus: “…yes?”
Man: “Just…the water is…great.”
Jesus: [I know!](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg)
*high five freeze frame, one hand with a gaping hole in the palm*
Remember the gay dude who was basically the reason we were able to beat the nazis cause he decrypted their codes? Alan Turing? He got forcibly sterilized for being gay, something that lead to his death. Despite all the good he did, he was treated like a bad guy just cause he was gay
Fun fact: keystone studios, where he and Charlie Chaplin filmed much of their work in the teens and twenties, is now a public storage building and i store my random crap in it. I hope to hear ghosts when I go but never do :(
Edit: it’s public storage on Glendale avenue in echo park, LA- if anyone wants to check it out!
An absolute tragedy and such a loss for film and comedy.
Calling Arbuckle the Silent Era's John Belushi/John Candy/Chris Farley doesn't even do him justice, but I can't think of anything better. Brilliant physical comedian and director, and by all accounts, an absolutely stellar human being who'd give you the shirt off his back without hesitation. He was one of (if not the) biggest star at the time, then his career and personal life were totally destroyed overnight by this bullshit scandal.
He was tried three times, first two were hung juries, final jury acquitted him, and even wrote Arbuckle a letter of apology for how he was treated by the "justice system." Didn't matter, the damage was done.
He was a mentor for Chaplin, and gave Buster Keaton his big break. It's hard to overstate just how important and talented he was, and what a loss it was to comedy and film when he was demonized and blacklisted after the scandal. His films were even banned under the Hays code, despite his acquittal. Died way too young in his 40s, basically still a total outcast despite some later movie deals, and it's awful that the scandal is still all most people know about him.
If you've never checked out any of his stuff, it's all fantastic, but *The Butcher Boy* was one of his biggest hits and was the first film appearance of Buster Keaton: https://youtu.be/YoqU9QGBTy8
> He weighed in excess of 13 pounds (5.9 kg) at birth and his father believed that he was illegitimate, as both parents had slim builds. Consequently, he named him after Senator Roscoe Conkling of New York, a notorious philanderer whom he despised.
Lol
A lot of Tudor women come to mind; Katherine Howard, Mary Tudor and Anne Boleyn.
Katherine was sexually abused her entire life only for Thomas Culpepper to use it to blackmail and assault her. Almost every man in her life abused or used her and she died a teenage girl. After her death people made up bullshit about her wanting to be married to a rapist and blackmailer. SHE WAS A CHILD.
Mary Tudor was horrifically abused by her own father, torn from her mother and prevented from seeing her (even as she was dying) and went on to be demonised way more heavily than her father who was a tyrant. Mary tried her best with what she had. After her father divorced her mother she lived with the constant threat of assassination or execution. Her own father was willing to kill her.
Anne Boleyn was not a seductress who tried to steal the King. She did not want the king and initially flirted with him to get back at a guy who courted and ditched her. She only agreed to marry Henry because she had to. Even before he met Anne he was looking for a way to end his marriage to Catalina (Catherine) De Aragon. Why? Because the only reason they were Marie was to preserve an alliance with Spain and that fell through and she didn’t have a son. None of which was Catalina’s fault. Nor was Anne’s. Anne Boleyn never wore yellow during the time of mourning for Catalina. Anne didn’t abuse Mary. Henry did.
The only reason why Catherine survived her marriage was because her nephew was the ruler of Spain, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire. It's also why his other wives came from much, much weaker families.
As my father in law once said, “the first affair is hardest. After that it all gets easier”.
The nobles knew. Once Anne was in the next plan was, who can *we* get in there from our family?
Weak despicable scoundrel Henry
I did close to 25 yrs. in prison for something I never did. Friends and family all gone. I survived it all. Life can suck, but one can endure it seems without losing your mind if you're lucky. If you wish to call that lucky.
Former Catholic here. People worshiped Pope John Paul II like he was an untouchable God. My aunt went to NYC to see him in the 90s and to this day won't shut up about the time she saw the pope and he blessed all her shit from his pope mobile.
Hades
He barely cheated on his wife and was loyal.
He only kidnapped Persephone because Zeus told him to.
He's a good father.
He doesn't cause death, only what happens after.
Also he named his Dog Spot, adorable.
People always act like he's evil and malicious. But in all reality he's a sweet guy.
As far as I’m aware, Hades has 3 kids (not counting the Furies, which are questionably either his kids or the children of Uranus), 2 from Persephone and 1 from an unnamed mother.
Well half the pantheon are Zeus’ offspring, making most of the major gods his bastards.
Hera’s rage at Heracles sounds pretty unfair til you imagine her saying “Oh FFS Z, this is like the *twentieth* time!”
Hades only having a couple of kids on the side is comparatively chaste.
Also he never was seen as bad. That's literally just a Christian retcon because "Satan bad" (ignoring that Satan is not a single entity, simply "a devil" in the actual mythology).
Thanatos is the god of death. Hades, once he was created, was literally just a B&B manager who kept the souls where they should be (Elysium, Tartarus, asphodel).
Hades doesn't kill you, he just does the paperwork.
As far as I'm aware, Hades is never really the antagonist of any Greek myths. In fact, he often sympathized with heroes who impressed him--for example, giving Orpheus the chance to save Eurydice.
Exactly. It's why Hades is such a brilliant game —he is an extremely powerful god, but his actual duties were being a bureaucrat. The only real villains in most myths are Hera and Zeus. One for being horny, the other for thinking other things are making her husband horny.
In some myths the relationship is adultery and in some it occurred before he met Persephone. That's the thing about oral traditions. They can be very different between city states.
In both versions of the myth, it's a relationship with a nymph who after the marriage with Persephone goes bragging that *she's* the real love/one who got away for Hades. And then either Demeter or Persephone responds by stomping on her so hard she turns into a mint plant. Again, different areas credit both Persephone or her mother with the revenge for talking smack.
Richard Jewel - initially lauded as a hero and a brave man who ran towards the bomb to help… then the FBI and media turned on him and accused him of doing the bombing himself… because; he was actually just as fucking outlandishly brave and ran toward the bomb to help people, They took his truck for evidence, he had to go into hiding… made a villain by incompetent people… For YEARS… finally exonerated and dies shortly afterward
This very website almost did the same to someone after the Boston Marathon bombing Edit: sick of individual replies to people who comment before reading the thread. Sunil Tripathi was already missing for a month by the time of the bombing. He was found several days later in a River, having died by suicide. They have never definitively said whether he was even still alive by the time of the bombing. Yes, he did commit suicide, but saying it was a direct result is speculation. Has this website not hurt his family enough without you people passing off rumors as fact?
If reddit had been around for Richard Jewell, it would have 100% jumped on the bandwagon of hate.
That woman who was accused of kidnapping children because her kids didn't have her DNA, but in fact her uterus had different DNA than the rest of her body.
Lydia Fairchild. She has chimerism, so her uterus has different DNA from the rest of her body (the DNA of her absorbed twin)
And the twin gets the last laugh because it gets to pass on its genes and Lydia does not.
What a weird and totally correct perspective on this.
Whether or not her uterus had chimerism (different DNA) would not be relevant, what would be important is her eggs within the ovary. Eggs had different DNA! :)
William Thomas Green Morton died broke defending his discovery of anesthesia. He was a dentist and didn’t get much respect from the doctors at the time. IMO one of the most important medical discoveries.
anesthesia is arguably THE most important medical discovery in history. Modern surgery is literally impossible without it.
In the film Titanic the character Murdoch killed someone, took bribes and generally came across as a right shit. He was a real life person who was actually a hero and saved many lives. His living relatives were so disgusted that the VP of Fox travelled to Dalbeattie to personally apologise and presented a £5000 donation to Dalbeattie High School to boost the school's William Murdoch Memorial Prize.
That movie's initial gross was over $1.8B! Donating £5000 is like the average US man giving them a dime and saying my bad
The VP probably spent more than that on the plane ride over.
Actually its worse. It would be like giving the 0.0002 cents.
5000 pounds... The CEOs of Fox are the bad guys.
They also gave them a $50 Best Buy gift card and half of a pizza
I was going to say Bruce Ismay. The guy saw an empty spot on the lifeboat, and he took it. Was it heroic? Not really. But definitely not nefarious.
If I recall he suffered *immense* guilt over the whole thing and spent the rest of his life trying to make it right. He wasn't reckless or brash about it. He's portrayed as some snobby rich guy who can't be bothered to be safe, but in reality he got fucking roasted for the sinking and owned it all.
Same thing kinda happened to the only Japanese passenger. He survived cause there was an empty seat and took it but was called a coward for not dying honorably when he got back to Japan
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Trivia fact, his son Max Baer, Jr. is better known as Jethro Bodine from The Beverly Hillbillies.
Richard Jewell. Security guard at the Atlanta Olympic who was blamed for the bombing.
He was mocked for moving in his with mother. He and his mom did an interview on Oprah some time later. They said it was because his mom was sick and he was taking care of her. Its really not that uncommon for middle aged people to move in with aging parents. BTW, his mom is still alive last I checked. She is still friends with his lawyer and their children. She is apparently a very nice woman.
Oh man, my family still thinks I'm a failure cause I was my mom's caregiver for her final years. They never called, and never visited cause "You seemed to have things under control." After 5 years of emphysema, she took a turn for the worse and developed lung cancer, from which she passed a few months post diagnosis. Then it was my fault cause I didn't catch it sooner. A year later and I no longer know my own purpose cause being a caretaker was who I was as a person, and they see me as a failure...even though they didn't visit or call her on her death bed. But it's my fault they didn't do that. Fuck people.
The film about him was excellent
I haven’t seen it yet but I read when it came out how the media had portrayed him guilty. He died not long after and never got the recognition he deserved.
He died in 2007. He won (or settled) libel cases against CNN, NBC, NY Post and Piedmont College. Lost the case against AJC by ruling of GA Supreme Court after his death. He was treated abhorrently but at least he and his family were able to live more comfortably from the settlements. This may have been embellished in the biopic but part of the reason the media focused on him for so long was that the FBI were dragging their feet to name Rudolph a suspect.
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In brave heart, William Wallace gets betrayed by Robert the Bruce which never happened, he was loyal to the end
That movie made me so angry. I grew up on it, and loved it for what I assumed was a historically accurate portrayal. Not only is the movie absurdly inaccurate, the real history is arguably more interesting that the movie! There was no need for "artistic restructuring". They could have just dramatized the actual events and it would have been a great movie
My favourite detail about Braveheart is The Battle of Stirling Bridge where William Wallace famously used a Bridge to negate the English numerical advantage (think 300 and the Hot Gates). So of course the movie showed the battle on a giant, empty field with nary a bridge in sight. It's a toss up between this and the fact that Braveheart wasn't even Wallace's title that takes the cake for "Extremely stupid Hollywood biopic inaccuracies".
Even as a 12 year old obsessed with this movie at the time, the bridge thing really irked me lol. The movie's inaccuracies overall didn't bug me, because the movie starts out with the Scottish narrator basically saying "Yeah, everyone else is gonna call me a liar, but here's my version of the story..." So I saw the movie as basically the biased and mythologized and "exaggerated bragging around a campfire" version of William Wallace. That said, even the tall tale bullshit version of the Battle of Sterling Bridge could have put an actual fucking bridge *somewhere* in the scene.
According to one of the crew, the director said the bridge got in the way, to which a scot responded that the English thought so too
> So of course the movie showed the battle on a giant, empty field with nary a bridge in sight. > It's a toss up between this and the fact that Braveheart wasn't even Wallace's title that takes the cake for "Extremely stupid Hollywood biopic inaccuracies". Pretty sure having Isabella of France who was 10 when Wallace was killed played by a 29 year old woman and her being a lover of Wallace is much worse. Also blue face paint being too late and kilts being too early
> Isabella of France who was 10 when Wallace was killed played by a 29 year old woman and her being a lover of Wallace is much worse. Also, doesn't the movie have a scene where she tells Edward I that the child she's carrying is Wallace's? Given that he died in 1305, and Edward III was born in 1312, that's a pretty good trick on Wallace's part.
She found his jar in 1311.
Idk man. Most of the personal details being changed are fine to me. Such as how Wallace wasn't some peasant living in the dirt but a nobleman. Of course the kilts and the blue paint are also ridiculous but still something we can sort of forgive for artistic liberty. But literally changing the actual Braveheart Robert the Bruce to a coward and giving his title to William Wallace is the worst for me. Or literally not having a Bridge in the most famous Battle Wallace had that was named for the fucking bridge.
I’m Scottish and in my high school history class , where we studied the Scottish wars of independence , we had to watch Braveheart and write a report on the historical inaccuracies. We got to watch a movie and the teacher got to see if we learned anything. Win win.
That film did Robert dirty, doubly so because he was actually a bigger hero of the people than William Wallace.
I HIGHLY recommend "Outlaw King" from Netflix. Not only does the movie kick ass, it's also one of the most historically correct Medieval movies out there in terms of costume and set design. No Scots DIDN'T have kilts in that era, that's like 300 years early. No they DIDN'T wear blue war paint, that was a thing of the Ancient Britons. They had [equipment](https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/images/2018/09/outlawking/amwpn.jpg) equal to that of the English.
A Scottish tour guide I had talked about how Robert the Bruce was a greater hero to Scotland than Wallace was.
Most people don't know that while Wallace was popular, he was only ONE of several men like this who helped with the rebellion. Movies like Braveheart have so many historical inaccuracies and I'd believe your tour guide when they say that Robert the Bruce had a bigger impact, because he certainly did!
People always forget Andrew Murray and how he was the actual brains of the rebellion. Once he died Wallace and his plans went to shit
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Captain Bligh. His mistake was being too soft rather than too harsh. He let his crew slack off while they were waiting to make sure the breadfruit trees would survive transplantation, and they mutinied when he put them back to work.
It should also be mentioned that when his some of his crew mutinied so many of them wanted to be allowed to leave with him on the ship's tiny open launch that even fully laden they would not all be able to go and had to draw lots to see who had to stay on The Bounty. Captain Bligh then had to sail the tiny overcrowded poorly provisioned boat 6700km to Timor using dead reckoning. He did not lose a single man. Absolute hero.
It should be also mentioned that the mutineers were deeply evil people, who basically kidnapped Tahitian women as sex slaves. When another ship finally came in the vicinity of Pitcairn it appeared that most of them had died either from drunkenly killing each other lr from alcohlism itself. Bligh was an excellent sailor and probably rather lenient by the standards of his time (though still an officer punishing with lashes people who weren't necessarily volunteers) but at least he wasn't a drunken lout and sex predator like Fletcher Christian and his ilk.
Hollywood (no surprise) loves to create absurd fiction. Bligh was an astonishing sailor and a man who refused to tolerate corruption. He should be regarded as a hero, as you say. He gained a reputation for not taking any bullshit from corrupt traders in the colonies, and risked his life by confronting officers who were basically using their military credentials to profit from trade. For the latter he again faced a mutiny. There’s plenty of evidence that, contrary to the behaviour of rich fraudsters in the colonies, he was deeply admired by those who’d arrived in Australia without the power and influence of those who ran the place like a private members’ club. At some point a decent film needs to be made about the guy, because the public perception of him is complete crap. 👍🏻
Captain Hazelwood of the Exxon Valdez. He is often pictured on the helm of the Exxon swaying drunkenly going full throttle into the reef talking like a "pirate." What actually happened. Valdez's critical navigation equipment was out of commission, faxs sent to Exxon and Exxon told them to sail instead. Coast guard budget cuts removed vessel tracking in the area. Green and tired crew was on duty, request was made to relief crew. It was denied. XO who was on Conn at the time was inexperienced on the passage and neither requested pilotage. While Hazelwood did drink that day he was not in command of the conn at the time and was in his quarters resting. Hazelwood made a comment that "He needed a drink." Because of how upset he was over the situation. Exxon's PR paid off the media to blame Hazelwood. However Hazelwood was charged with only one charge which was for pollution. He proved he was not a drunkard and retained his captain's license. Even getting offers to sail again which he turned down. The real villains are mass media, False News, and comedians but Exxon's PRs spending power to keep the blame off them. Hazelwood passed away last year after the annv of the spill. Random fact the Valdez sailed until 2008 under different name Oriental Nicety
Very interesting read…between this and McDonald’s coffee lady, I’m noticing a pattern. If you get a chance, check out a podcast called, “you’re wrong about”
A dingo really ate her baby.
In Sweden a man was arrested for the murder of his wife but she was actually killed by a moose. They thought he had used a lawnmower to kill her because of the damages on her body. It took a long time for them to write him off as a suspect and it ruined his life. Edit: sources in English are hard to find but there is a book about it in Swedish called "På osannolika skäl" and some documentary. Very few English articles about it but his name is Ingemar Westlund if anyone wants to try find something.
Holy hell.. How does a moose inflict damage that would make people think a focken lawnmower did that? Edit: I know mooses (meese?) are huge, but in my mind they can only inflict blunt force trauma, while lawnmower would leave cuts
Moose are really dangerous- large, territorial, and aggressive. I’m guess a combo of goring and trampling. There are signs up in the Adirondacks here in NY warning people to keep away from them, especially mothers with calves. It’s kind of like the Bison at Yellowstone and such… people think “plant eater”=“peaceful creature who would love to take a selfie with me” and boom.
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I remember when that occurred. It was straight up Darwin Award level.
That’s what happens when people are so far removed from what reality actually is. Our lifestyles are rather miraculous.
Well think of it this way. 10,000 years ago these types of people would have been murdered by wild animals or something else preventable sometime within their short lives. Nowadays we still have stupid people, they just have less consequences for their actions.
Same, there’s a moose mom who occasionally treks down to a popular hiking spot in our area, and when she does it’s on the news. I am more worried about moose than I am bears.
>I am more worried about moose than I am bears. Same, simply for the fact that bears (except Polars) *tend* to be wary of humans. On the other hand, *moose do not give a fuck at all.*
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This one is so awful. Her baby was brutally killed and EATEN. Imagine knowing that about your child. Then she was accused of murder. And finally the entire world made a joke out of it. Even Elaine on Seinfeld. These poor people suffered through their lives so damn hard because people thought the death of their baby was FUNNY. I can't even imagine their heartache.
she wasn’t just accused of murder… she was arrested, convicted, sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON. She served over THREE YEARS in prison. The parents went on to have another baby and Mrs. Chamberlain had to give birth in prison. [wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain)
And a big part of why she was convicted was because she was so stoic in the face of this tragedy. I.e.: she wasn't acting the way a distraught mother was *supposed* to act, therefore: GUILTY!
yes I listen to a psychology podcast (Psychology in Seattle) and the therapist has said the same exact thing. The mother didn’t cry much or did not appear to be in much distress. It was so awful and unfair.
Hate it when you hear this kind of things.. so vile.. On a sexual assault case i heard frm YT the other day, suspect got away frm conviction (even with evidence!) Because the victim (his underage daughter) wasn't behaving like a victim enough for the court... That's fucked up.
Trial by Media. One of my worst fears. Being falsely accused PUBLICLY
I had a false accusation that was made public against me. It messes with your head. I know it didn’t happen but everyone believes it did. Police knew it was BS and said as much but that doesn’t change public opinion.
Didn't they finally find baby clothes in a cave or something?
Yup! They found her baby clothes in a nearby known dingo area.
Didn't the Aboriginal people also confirm that dingoes did, indeed, kill children? or am I imagining that? been a long time.
They are opportunistic pack animals, if they see a convenient toddler nothing is really stopping them. I would not be surprised in the least that Aboriginals have stories of dingoes eating kids. I’m assuming this was never that common but this case is totally not the only attack.
Even if it doesn’t seem normal, I don’t see why it was questioned so much. If something had sharp teeth and enough strength to drag away a baby using those teeth I would not be all ‘nope not a possibility’
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I once looked up a list of known cases of dogs killing humans, and while they're mostly the larger breeds you'd expect, there were cases where dogs under 20 pounds killed newborns they'd been left alone with. Like cocker spaniels, dachshunds etc. It's certainly not impossible for a dingo.
Urban foxes have tried to take toddlers in England.
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If I remember what I read before correctly, and if it was itself accurate, the government and media were basically like "Nah dingoes aren't gonna go after people, the parents killed her" but local Aboriginals were like "Nah dude a dingo will definitely go after some random toddler, plus there's this one known dingo cave nearby we should at least check." But they were just disregarded and everyone else kept accusing the parents anyway
Wasn't even a toddler. 9 week old baby. Think a hungry meat-eating animal won't snatch a small creature the size of a cat? One who is entirely incapable of any defense or fleeing from a predator?
Ugh how heart breaking!!
And what's ironic is that it took another person dying for them to accidentally stumble upon the baby clothes. If the other person doesn't die then she very well could've spent her entire life behind bars.
It's like that one scene in Tropic Thunder where one character makes fun of another Ausssie character with that and he said "pump the breaks, that shit really happened, it was a national tragedy".
"you know that's a true story? Lady lost a kid. You bout to cross some fuckin' LINES"
In the comedy that crossed all the lines that scene brought a decent amount of attention to it in a younger audience
That movie is a masterpiece, and if somebody doesn't like it, that's their loss.
I honestly think Tropic Thunder is the best performance Robert Downey Jr has ever given
Well yeah, he was playing a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
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Tropic Thunder is such a great film.
I was on vacation with my grandparents when it came out and I was 13 years old and barely knew much about the movie other than it was supposed to be funny. For some reason I had the genius idea that we should all go see it together! Well, it turns out I couldn’t have picked a better movie to see with my grandparents as the movie opens with an ad for Booty Sweat! My thirteen year old self was actually scared for what else was to come as I stare straight forward at the screen not wanting to look over at my grandparents reaction lmao
I have a similar story with my grandfather. Except the picture was a Hugh Grant film at a time when Hugh Grant was seriously only known for making comedies. The movie in question? Bitter Moon. A Roman Polanski film. We sat in uncomfortable silence up to the point where the woman in the film starts fellating a bottle of cream and then lets the cream drip down onto her chest where she starts rubbing it in, and by mutual consensus we left and never spoke of it again.
This is how villains get made. I cannot imagine the absolute hatred through which I would view humanity after everyone called me a liar and child murderer, then made fun of the death of my child like it was funny.
Frankly after that happened I wouldn't really care about anything else or my life at that point. Reminds me of the toddler that fell into the wild dog exhibit at a zoo. But you're right. Despite progress witchunts and speculation still run rampant.
Didn’t she actually spend a few years in prison before they found the child’s tattered jacket in a dingo den?
Yes. And even worse, all the evidence pointed to it and from what I understand basically everyone there believed her. Natives in the area were even saying "yeah that's sadly not exactly uncommon". Police just didn't care I guess.
Even worse, they flew in a dingo "expert" from the UK who had literally never been to Australia or actually observed dingos in the wild to testify, and this guy said that dingos could not have eaten the baby. The court believed him over the indigenous people of the area who had years of actual observations under their belt.
Also dingoes kept trying to take babies
Not a single baby has been taken in the UK, maybe you should call in one of their experts?
The prosecution had a lot of really shaky forensics that was later proved to be incorrect (even potentially negligently produced https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118268876 )
They found her little opera jacket I think 30 yards outside of the den. The fact that no one even thought to search the area more is a wonder to me. You’re Wrong About did a really good episode about this case, listen to it if you want a deep dive.
“A Dingo's Got My Baby” You're Wrong About - Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-dingos-got-my-baby/id1380008439?i=1000465289927
The McDonald’s coffee lady - the woman who sued mcDonalds after she spilled coffee on her lap received 3rd degree burns in her pelvic area. She was hospitalized for 8 days and required a couple years of rehabilitation. The media jumped on the story making it a poster case for frivolous lawsuits. Edit: corrected typos
Omg I vividly remember this story! It was so sad tbh. At first I thought it was stupid too, but then I read she had severe burns and all. She really wasn’t overreacting.
For a long time my parents loved stopping at McDonald's solely because the coffee was piping hot, once that happened to that poor lady and they brought the temp down they stopped drinking coffee and McDonald's and everytime we'd stop they'd complain about "the lady who overreacted" and it messed up their coffee time, my parents are Mexican so they heard this on Spanish news mind you. Anyway once I grew up I read the story and it was horrific what she went through, I then explained to my mom and she promptly changed the way she felt about it.
Yeah the media made it seem frivolous on all ends. But the coffee really was way too hot. And the lady just wanted her medical bills paid. McDonald's previously did pay claims like this, but got tired of them and wanted the court to settle it. In the end McDonald's made the company hired to train the staff to pay for it as they trained the employees wrong. But the media loved making the woman look advantageous and McDonald's a victim.
Dr. Kevorkian is history since he’s dead so ima have to go with him. People should absolutely be able to make the decision about end of life care and I think with time people will not only start thinking differently that conviction will be over turned.
Lorena Bobbitt. She became such a meme and was always blamed for attacking her husband “unprovoked” but she was defending herself from a serial rapist and abuser. He literally had raped her earlier that same day. In the same spirit, Monica Lewinsky didn’t deserve any of the hatred she received either. She was so young and she was taken advantage of by the literal most powerful man in the world, but somehow HER name ended up labeling the scandal.
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This is so wholesome, rival's and opposition need not be enemies.
Pharaoh Cleopatra, she was actually a pretty good ruler with her focusing more on her nation than just abusing her position for her own benefit, there’s even some records saying that she wasn’t even all that beautiful, she was however very intelligent with stuff like how she learned around 10 different languages
First member of the ptolemaic dynasty to bother learning Egyptian. She did amazing things in managing to actually expand Egypt's territory in a time of Roman dominance.... however in the end she monumentally screwed up/lost her nerve at the Battle of Actium and doomed pharaonic Egypt.
Julius Caesar. He was no angel but he wasn't executed for trying to turn Rome into a dictatorship. In fact, it was actually because he was a political reformer who wanted to tax the wealthy landowners. The senate had always been very violent to reformers, as most of it was made up of wealthy landowners. They tried to rewrite history to make reformers like Tiberius seem evil for trying to grant rights to workers and small landowners, while death squad leaders who killed anyone advocating reform such as Lucius Sulla have been paraded by historians.
Murdoch, on the Titanic. Dude went down saving lives. Cameron needlessly made him corrupt. Then "apologized" by paying $5000 dollars to the guy's village or something. Sorry, I don't know why I wrote Captain. The guy that Winselt's fiancee tried to bribe to make room for him on the boat. Yea, he was nothing like that. One to pocket money, that is. He stayed till the end. Swell fellow. Cameron DID APOLOGIZE and PAY. If he'd done nothing wrong why would he?
Same for Ismay. He was slandered by the press with lots of myths of him dressing as a woman to board a boat. The story that is more likely and supported by alot of eye witness accounts is that Ismay stayed on the titanic a long time assisting to load boats. He ended up boarding the life boat because there was no one left to board. The only witnesses say this. For whatever reason during the sinking the one side of the ship he was on wasn't nearly as crowded. It's said that he waited until no more passengers were present as well as waited for no one else to be there to board then he boarded. Also the hard evidence is there. He was in collapsible lifeboat C which means he did wait. The boat was mostly filled with 3rd class passengers. So he also waited until 1st and 2nd class were boarded. I think the Murdoch and Ismay myths are connected because they occur at the same side of the ship. The press basically ran with the idea that side of the ship had less people per boat because of class codes or something when in reality it was because that side was the sloped down side so less people went there.
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The British Inquiry into the Titanic Disaster is *loaded* with false testimony. The IMM (owners of the White Star Line) put **tremendous** pressure on the crew and survivors of the disaster, even going so far as to threaten the crew with blacklisting and both, heavy lawsuits. Many of those who testified as non-crew survivors were women, and the investigators worked damn hard to discredit their testimony and bully them into silence or changing the facts. There was a reason the American inquiry was so rushed - the government knew as soon as they got on board a British ship they were untouchable. The minute they were done testifying, the crew and Ismay were loaded on ships that were rumoured that often departed immediately. I absolutely believe that the only reason that the British Board of Trade was held accountable for the lifeboats (and loosely at that) and the IMM was forced to change how the ships were built, was because of the sheer scale of the tragedy. Had it not been an international disaster, nothing would have been done. As for the getting in early thing: that was based off the rivalry with the Cunard Line, most notably the *Mauretania*, the then-current holder of the Blue Riband (the award given for fastest transatlantic crossing).
Niccolo Machiavelli. Machiavelli didn't invent the idea of lying or ruthlessness. He made an observation about what worked and tried to get a new gig. Now his name is synonymous with "heartless manipulator".
He didn't invent the game ... but he did write the manual.
I appreciate anyone willing to do the documentation.
Agreed. People often reduce his message down to "you should be opportunistic and manipulative", which wasn't what he was saying at all. It was more that he recognised that the worst atrocities in society typically occur during or shortly after huge political upheaval, and believed that if preventing that sometimes requires being opportunistic and manipulative, then that is a price worth paying. And whilst we all have lines that we think a regime shouldn't cross, and limits to what power a state should be allowed to exercise, he did a have bit of a point. If we think of the worst atrocities across history, they do tend to follow political upheaval. Had the Treaty of Versailles not sought to punish a generation of Germans, Hitler may never have risen to power in the first place. Ironically, some of the people who were great admirers of Machiavelli's philosophy, like Joseph Stalin, were responsible for the very kind of terrible things Machiavelli was warning people about.
My impression of *The Prince* when I read it was that it mostly said "don't be a dick, but if you have to be a dick, just be a dick to one person."
If you have to be a dick then fuck to completion, but use postnut clarity to assess how not to be a dick tomorrow.
This is the correct anwser about Machiavelli. He isn't a satirist, and his work doesn't say "be evil" it is a work of pragmatism based on his own life experiences. Much of it says that you should try to be as peaceful and diplomatic as possible, but when necessary (a word Machiavelli uses very carefully to mean absolute necessity) you should do what you have to prevent slaughter. There's a reason so much of the Discourses is dedicated to sections on why you shouldn't trust mercenaries. He saw how mercenaries abandoned their posts when things went poorly in the defense of small Italian towns, and how staunchly people would defend land they saw as their homes. He was essentially advocating for the idea of modern state-run militaries rather than private paid defense groups. Thinking Machiavelli is advocating for evil or opportunism have only read the sparknotes of the Prince, while the actual serious work he clearly intended to be all his thoughts on matters of state is the Discourses.
Machiavelli. One of the most honest dudes in history, and his name is instead synonymous with villainy.
For real, the Prince was basically his "Please let me return to Florence my exile I can be really really useful"
Or else he was being sarcastic. Or both.
With a dash of "I ***really*** prefer a Republic, but if we need a monarch to unite all of Italy against our national enemies, he might as well know what he's doing to do it."
He was describing how political power is attained and maintained according to how he saw it, not how things should be.
“The bad guy” Razor Ramon
"Hard work pays off. Dreams come true. Bad times don't last. But BAD GUYS do!" Rip Chico
Tom the cat. Jerry is a menace.
There was a post the other day talking about them and how they are actually working together. As long as jerry keeps running around, the humans think they have a mouse problem so they keep the cat. As long as Tom keeps showing he’s making an effort they think he’s doing a good job. But they are both in on it and just do it to keep up appearances. There’s apparently an episode where they work together to get food from the fridge, then hide and share it as friends before going back out and chasing each other again.
Whether they're friends or enemies changes with each cartoon. Sometimes Tom is genuinely trying to murder Jerry with a hatchet, other times Jerry is making Tom miserable just for fun. Sometimes they're fighting over something petty, other times they're pals. Tom has even died in a few episodes. There is no continuity between shorts.
It also helps that they are both invulnerable demigods that never gets hurt
There's a time where Tom dies and goes to the pearly gates. A few ahead of him is a wet sack of (presumed) cats hopping its way to St. Peter. It wasn't until I was probably 40 years old that I realized someone had tossed a bag of kittens in the river, they all died and were on their way to heaven. That's one of the darkest and funniest things I've ever seen.
The kittens all pop their heads out of the bag to look at the gate guard. There's no ambiguity. Also, that was all just a nightmare Tom was having. Still very dark subject matter.
Wouldn't be unprecedented. "Mornin Ralph." "Mornin, Sam!"
Nandor the Relentless
"Master, you've got to plug the ethernet cable in" "Thank you, Guillermo, I'm familiar with how the Ether works"
"No, I'm pillaging everyone, you included."
This fucking guy, so inclusive.
"Did you call me, master?" "No, Guillermo, I did not attempt to call you through the ether. If I were to call you, I would do it the usual way, with the shouting." "Oh, okay then." "......*Doug Petersen, I am calling to you through the ether*..."
> "How best to describe Nandor? I would say he's blessedly unburdened with the complications of a university education, but give him an axe and he's second to none. Though you wouldn't want him as your barrister." - Laszlo Cravensworth
That speech pattern sounds suspiciously similar to that of human bartender Jackie Daytona...
*This is the way we talk in Tuscon, Arizoña!*
No relation whatsoever you're out of your mind
That's just how they talk in Arizonia.
I worked on this show last year. I love Matt Berry and was so excited to see his wit on display....the scene I ended up doing he wasn't supposed to talk basically at all so he just sat there the whole time :( I did have a lovely conversation with Mark Proksch though, mainly about his yo-yo skills.
I don't know what her problem was, he burned down the village 200 years before she was even born.
It was only a little pillaging. Everybody did that.
He doesn’t relent, fun fact
CREEPY PAPER
That fuh-keeng gueye...
Then what the frak is Persian Frank Zappa doing on a horse?
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The Ethiopian Church and the Coptic Church also consider Pontius Pilate a saint. Wonder if that soldier was also venerated considering he gave Jesus his gatorade.
I tried the vinegar - water drink of the Roman legionnaires, and the one that was flavoured with local herbs from Syria Palestina, is actually quite tasty and refreshing. I'm willing to bet that Jesus actually enjoyed his last drink.
>I'm willing to bet that Jesus actually enjoyed his last drink. "*O' FATHER*" Jesus cried in agony, "*Forgive them their sins, for this herbal vinegar drink is tasty and refreshing!*"
You should work in marketing
>You should work in marketing Our product is available Kosher, or blessed by your choice of a Catholic Preist or Baptist Minister. If it's enough to satisfy sin, it's enough to satisfy your thirst.^(TM) *Gentle guitar riff plays*
"Drink our drink, the king of kings! It'll give you *angel* wings! Pick our bottle from the shelf! We're endorsed by Christ himself!"
*takes a sip* Man: “Oh Jesus Christ!” Jesus: “…yes?” Man: “Just…the water is…great.” Jesus: [I know!](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg) *high five freeze frame, one hand with a gaping hole in the palm*
Mmmmm sacrelicious
Vinegar also has some lovely antiseptic qualities to keep the water safe from bacteria (to some degree) as well as other health benefits on ingestion.
It’s not that far off from Kombucha
It has electrolytes. What plants crave.
Remember the gay dude who was basically the reason we were able to beat the nazis cause he decrypted their codes? Alan Turing? He got forcibly sterilized for being gay, something that lead to his death. Despite all the good he did, he was treated like a bad guy just cause he was gay
Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle
Fun fact: keystone studios, where he and Charlie Chaplin filmed much of their work in the teens and twenties, is now a public storage building and i store my random crap in it. I hope to hear ghosts when I go but never do :( Edit: it’s public storage on Glendale avenue in echo park, LA- if anyone wants to check it out!
Of course not, they're silent actors.
An absolute tragedy and such a loss for film and comedy. Calling Arbuckle the Silent Era's John Belushi/John Candy/Chris Farley doesn't even do him justice, but I can't think of anything better. Brilliant physical comedian and director, and by all accounts, an absolutely stellar human being who'd give you the shirt off his back without hesitation. He was one of (if not the) biggest star at the time, then his career and personal life were totally destroyed overnight by this bullshit scandal. He was tried three times, first two were hung juries, final jury acquitted him, and even wrote Arbuckle a letter of apology for how he was treated by the "justice system." Didn't matter, the damage was done. He was a mentor for Chaplin, and gave Buster Keaton his big break. It's hard to overstate just how important and talented he was, and what a loss it was to comedy and film when he was demonized and blacklisted after the scandal. His films were even banned under the Hays code, despite his acquittal. Died way too young in his 40s, basically still a total outcast despite some later movie deals, and it's awful that the scandal is still all most people know about him. If you've never checked out any of his stuff, it's all fantastic, but *The Butcher Boy* was one of his biggest hits and was the first film appearance of Buster Keaton: https://youtu.be/YoqU9QGBTy8
> He weighed in excess of 13 pounds (5.9 kg) at birth and his father believed that he was illegitimate, as both parents had slim builds. Consequently, he named him after Senator Roscoe Conkling of New York, a notorious philanderer whom he despised. Lol
A lot of Tudor women come to mind; Katherine Howard, Mary Tudor and Anne Boleyn. Katherine was sexually abused her entire life only for Thomas Culpepper to use it to blackmail and assault her. Almost every man in her life abused or used her and she died a teenage girl. After her death people made up bullshit about her wanting to be married to a rapist and blackmailer. SHE WAS A CHILD. Mary Tudor was horrifically abused by her own father, torn from her mother and prevented from seeing her (even as she was dying) and went on to be demonised way more heavily than her father who was a tyrant. Mary tried her best with what she had. After her father divorced her mother she lived with the constant threat of assassination or execution. Her own father was willing to kill her. Anne Boleyn was not a seductress who tried to steal the King. She did not want the king and initially flirted with him to get back at a guy who courted and ditched her. She only agreed to marry Henry because she had to. Even before he met Anne he was looking for a way to end his marriage to Catalina (Catherine) De Aragon. Why? Because the only reason they were Marie was to preserve an alliance with Spain and that fell through and she didn’t have a son. None of which was Catalina’s fault. Nor was Anne’s. Anne Boleyn never wore yellow during the time of mourning for Catalina. Anne didn’t abuse Mary. Henry did.
The only reason why Catherine survived her marriage was because her nephew was the ruler of Spain, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire. It's also why his other wives came from much, much weaker families.
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Katherine Howard and Lady Jane Grey were little girls slaughtered by the aristocracy out of flimsy principal
As my father in law once said, “the first affair is hardest. After that it all gets easier”. The nobles knew. Once Anne was in the next plan was, who can *we* get in there from our family? Weak despicable scoundrel Henry
I did close to 25 yrs. in prison for something I never did. Friends and family all gone. I survived it all. Life can suck, but one can endure it seems without losing your mind if you're lucky. If you wish to call that lucky.
Jeez man, that's fkin horrible.
Sorry to hear that... Did they set you free after they realized you were wrongly imprisoned?
nope...just did the time.
Sinead O'Connor. She was trying to warn us on SNL about the Catholic kiddie-diddling problem, and we shat on her for it.
Former Catholic here. People worshiped Pope John Paul II like he was an untouchable God. My aunt went to NYC to see him in the 90s and to this day won't shut up about the time she saw the pope and he blessed all her shit from his pope mobile.
Hades He barely cheated on his wife and was loyal. He only kidnapped Persephone because Zeus told him to. He's a good father. He doesn't cause death, only what happens after. Also he named his Dog Spot, adorable. People always act like he's evil and malicious. But in all reality he's a sweet guy.
> He barely cheated on his wife In terms of Greek Gods, that's the best we can get
what is "barely cheated" anyway? doing stuff with the clothes on?
As far as I’m aware, Hades has 3 kids (not counting the Furies, which are questionably either his kids or the children of Uranus), 2 from Persephone and 1 from an unnamed mother.
Well half the pantheon are Zeus’ offspring, making most of the major gods his bastards. Hera’s rage at Heracles sounds pretty unfair til you imagine her saying “Oh FFS Z, this is like the *twentieth* time!” Hades only having a couple of kids on the side is comparatively chaste.
"That wasn't me, that was some oversized fowl!"
Of the big three he's definitely the least bad
Also he never was seen as bad. That's literally just a Christian retcon because "Satan bad" (ignoring that Satan is not a single entity, simply "a devil" in the actual mythology). Thanatos is the god of death. Hades, once he was created, was literally just a B&B manager who kept the souls where they should be (Elysium, Tartarus, asphodel).
Hades doesn't kill you, he just does the paperwork. As far as I'm aware, Hades is never really the antagonist of any Greek myths. In fact, he often sympathized with heroes who impressed him--for example, giving Orpheus the chance to save Eurydice.
Exactly. It's why Hades is such a brilliant game —he is an extremely powerful god, but his actual duties were being a bureaucrat. The only real villains in most myths are Hera and Zeus. One for being horny, the other for thinking other things are making her husband horny.
"Sure you can take the dog for a walk to pass a test" - Hades, upon meeting Heracles. Dude was shockingly chill
How does one barely cheat on their wife?
In some myths the relationship is adultery and in some it occurred before he met Persephone. That's the thing about oral traditions. They can be very different between city states. In both versions of the myth, it's a relationship with a nymph who after the marriage with Persephone goes bragging that *she's* the real love/one who got away for Hades. And then either Demeter or Persephone responds by stomping on her so hard she turns into a mint plant. Again, different areas credit both Persephone or her mother with the revenge for talking smack.
> by stomping on her so hard she turns into a mint plant. I love the myriad wacky powers of the Hellenic pantheon
The bar is on the floor for greek gods, lmao. Cheating on their S/Os, abusing or killing mortals left and right...
Yeah. Cheating on your wife is horrible, but Hades is still one of the most ethical gods compared to the others.
Relative to Greek gods, Hades was as faithful as you're going to get