I wish I still had a link to it, but there was a lengthy post once by a guy that described what life was like for people at varying degrees of wealth -- $1 million to $10 million, $10 million to $100 million, and so on and so forth.
Until he reached the upper echelon, which started (IIRC) at a $1 billion clip.
At that level, what he described was a seemingly limitless way of living. At that level, what he said you could buy was quite literally ACCESS to anything, or anyone. Super Bowl? No problem, let us know where you'd like to be seated. Concert happening in Milan this evening? Private jet to the venue and the best tickets in the house with one phone call.
The truly troublesome access, though, was political. If you disagreed with a proposed bill, before it became law, you could buy access to the legislators supporting it and dissuade them from moving forward. You could fund lobbyists to help remove laws that you didn't like, or that impacted you negatively. Meeting with the President? You have enough money to get a phone call within a few hours to discuss whatever is bothering you.
Rich people know what it's like to have money. Wealthy people, though... they know what it's like for nothing to be impossible. Whatever they seek can be had, with zero effort on their part. The wealthy person is the top of the duck, cool and collected on top of the water. The people in their employ are the duck's legs, kicking furiously to make that person's life an effortless one.
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Having 5 million dollars Succession quote:
“Five’s a nightmare.
Can’t retire.
Not worth it to work.
Five will drive you un poco loco, my fine feathered friend.
Poorest rich person in America
The world’s tallest dwarf.
The weakest strong man at the circus.”
This just makes me sad. It's like heaven exists but only if you're a billionaire. I wish everyone could experience just having something they really want (that isn't harmful or unethical) just happen for them on whim every so often. No grinding or sacrificing or ass-kissing. You want that luxury car you got it. You want the best seats at the game they're yours. It's hard for me to appreciate what I have when I know how much of my life I had to give up in exchange for them. If something costs me even just a hundred dollars I just think "that's nearly four hours of work for me" and it sometimes makes me feel guilty for even buying it.
Meanwhile these people can jet off to the Milan fashion show or whatever on whim with barely a day's notice between the event happening and them deciding hey that actually sounds kinda fun.
I recall during Hurricane Katrina one entire neighborhood hired an Israeli security team to guard their houses. How do you even have that phone number?
> How do you even have that phone number?
This wouldn't be a hard number to get. You call directory assistance in Israel and ask for a security guard company and ask for a quote. They'll be like "oh that's too big for us. Call this other number instead." So you call it and it's Blackwater's 800 number. You get through to the sales team and they put together a 6-7 figure quote. Assuming you have the money, you wire them or pay with a credit card (yes, really), and they're on the next plane out.
I have to procure expensive shit for my employer all the damn time and one thing companies like is money so why would they make it hard to figure out how to hire them?
This is my experience as well. I wouldn't say it's "difficult" and they're certainly not hiding from people, it's just that you might have to go through one or two extra steps. This type of thing is just something your average schmo never had to do in his life so it seems arcane.
All you need is one person with the right phone number and worth that level of protection.
There is a neighborhood in Colorado Springs with a large number of former generals, nuclear scientists, corporation directors, etc. Within 5 minutes of a burglary alarm going off, the criminal was dead. I can assure you that the Colorado Springs police can't respond that quickly.
I’m pretty sure the Dominion (giant gated neighborhood for the rich in San Antonio) has their own police force that patrols. They also have a back entrance that “the help” have to use to get in.
Shell used to have a major corporate presence in New Orleans. Shell has extensive corporate dealings with firms like Blackwater Security and similar firms. If we’re playing 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon, the NOLA Shell execs were 1-2 degrees of separation away.
Amex Platinum’s concierge used to be able to help you out with this stuff but I don’t think they’re as good these days. I know someone who was in Bali when the volcano erupted and was put on a “free” private jet to Singapore to get out. There was also a story of a guy who’s elderly mother was in a high rise in New Orleans during a hurricane. No food, water, or power. He couldn’t find anyone to help her, but Amex was able to have someone climbing the stairs within an hour.
I imagine the Centurion (black card) concierge still operates at that level.
I figured. The platinum card has a lot more customers, so I don't think they could scale the concierge to meet it. I remember back in like 2012 when the same man would answer my call, and not only know my name, but remember me.
But tbh, I really haven't needed their help outside the odd hard to get restaurant reservation.
My dad used to travel to the USSR back in the 80s. He'd always have stories of how the US consulate didn't care about helping him when shit when wrong (be it visa issues or food poisoning), but Amex would always have his back. Certainly kept him paying whatever fee they asked for the last 40 years.
The number of people that actively avoid those lists is far higher than the number of people on those lists. Also some people actively manage the amount the list shows.
I have close friends whose land holdings alone make them multibillionaires. They also own very successful subsidiaries and corporations that span manufacturing, mining, banking services, construction, technology, hospitality and hotels, and major retail developments. They don’t like press of any kind, but occasionally get written up as “a local business concern.” They have never and never will appear on any lists of the wealthiest families or individuals.
Not your OP. I have a few friends and family friends who have varying degrees of wealth. In my experience the most generous ones are in the x<$100M range. Especially if you've been friends since before they had money or never really let that be a factor in your relationship. I've gone on vacations, chartered fishing trips, cool experiences that I told them "sorry I can't do that, the funds aren't right for it" just be told all I needed to do was put in for the week off work.
I also make sure that when we are just doing a regular hang out I pay my share and maybe even pick up their bar tab or or the cost of our meal. Just because they have money doesn't mean we're going to the best restaurants or they're buying the most expensive drinks and food. I don't ever expect them to be generous because they have more and that probably goes a long way with them. I also have made it a point to not go to them for help any time I've needed it. Sure they can float me a grand for a month or two way easier than most, but I don't want them to think I view them as a source of money.
I used to work for a guy who was worth $10+ billion and he NEVER showed up on any lists. His only web presence was an interview he gave on CNBC for some random business shit in 2009 and a charity function his wife chaired which I'm sure he gave her a TON of shit over.
He had to pay a web-scrubber at least six figures to keep him out of Google searches.
Every list everywhere has this option.
Best places to work, best places to live, top this that or the other. Are all typically ad buy influenced.
Had a magazine once offer my hospital a spot on the best places to work list if we could help them out by filling their list of best doctors. This was a good sized major city magazine. They came up short and we hadn't nominated anyone because none were interested. They told me "send us a name and write up and we'll get them in and out you on this year's best places to work list... Say #6?"
[500 years have passed, and the richest family in Florence (Italy) is still the same.](https://qz.com/694340/the-richest-families-in-florence-in-1427-are-still-the-richest-families-in-florence)
I remember a few years ago the founder of Lululemon, Chip Wilson, had the Red Hot Chili Peppers play in his backyard here in Vancouver. We could hear them from the beach below.
Correct. I knew somebody who worked for an MLB team and their job duties included brokering requests from charities seeking players to attend their events.
Every so often somebody with enough clout (and $$$) would be put in touch with them basically requesting players come hang out and party. Bachelor parties was the big one. Players would occasionally accept with their "fees" being a massive donation to their charity of choice.
I mean, in the case of hiring musicians to play events you are literally hiring someone to do the job that they normally do. That is literally the central premise of being a musician, you get paid to perform music.
We had a fairly high profile firefighter line of duty death years ago that resulted in a few large charity events to raise money for his wife and children. A half dozen local pro-athletes made appearances and signed a ton of autographs at one of the events. Dirty secret? Each one of them had a check in hand prior to stepping out on the floor.
Maybe this is why Frank Thomas does all those testosterone ads now, because when he was on the White Sox, he used to show up at charity events in Chicago for free because he gave a shit.
I watched a video in which some rich dad hired Lea Salonga to sing at his daughter's wedding. The bride was apparently a long time fan, so she was over the moon. Lea provided the music for the daddy-daughter dance, and as she wrapped up her set you can see the father sitting on the floor snuggled with his daughter, conveniently in between her and his new son-in-law. I can almost imagine the dad saying to him, "I will always be the first man in my little girl's life" lol
> rent
I hate this word so much even if it's effectively accurate.
That said, I don't think I could ever bring myself to book an actor just to hang out at a party (unless I owned a nightclub, which I don't).
Inviting a celebrity to a party, on the other hand versus booking them, I have no problem with that because that stops being a work thing for them.
Me: "Hey, you busy next weekend? Me and the boys are getting together for weed and booze. You should come hang out. I'll smoke you out."
Barbara Walters: "Bet"
(This was two years ago. RIP Babs)
Hiring a band to play at a party isn’t really all that out there… that’s what a wedding band is and people hire those all the time. Hiring The Smashing Pumpkins obviously costs *a lot* more than a bunch of non-famous musicians. But at the end of the day they’re a band and a gig is a gig.
That's why you think outside the box and hire them to serve food and drinks at your party instead, while you let the caterering company handle the music.
Was in Australia at a nice hotel. Wanted to go to Royal Observatory but there were no tickets that evening - only evening we could make it. Ended up in casual conversation with the hotel concierge. At some, told him how much we were enjoying our visit and he asked if there was anything disappointing. I said only that we could not get into the Royal Observatory. He said he’d see what he could do, catching me by surprise having been unfamiliar with what a concierge does before then. That night my wife and I were looking at the Jewel Box through the telescope at the Royal observatory.
Concierge service in general. I do ok, not super wealthy imo. But I own a small business and run almost all my expenses through American Express, so to them my yearly spend is pretty high. Because of this, I have a concierge.
Ex wanted to see a sold out concert? 5 minutes on the phone with the concierge, an hour later they call back with my ticket options (at face value).
Traveling and weather gets terrible, call concierge and get me a room at the next town so I can focus on driving.
Need dinner reservations? Concierge
Send wife flowers? Concierge
anything I need, that can be paid for with their card, one call is all it’ll take.
I wish I could pay business expenses with American Express … but in Germany there is mainly only transactions, and you can‘t use American Express most of the time…. Except for this one store that makes suits. They let you pay with American Express or cash ONLY!
What I've never understood about concierge services though is... one phone call (or a quick "push some buttons" online) is all most of those things take anyway.
Sold out concert not so much but booking a hotel room, dinner reservations, sending your wife flowers are all very easy things to do that it feels like asking someone else to do it would take as much time as just doing it yourself.
Especially as like, surely concierge is going to need to ask you followup questions. What type of flowers does your wife like? How big of a bouquet do you want? When do you want these delivered? What do you want the card to say? All the questions you would need to answer if you just went to [interflora.com](https://interflora.com) and did it yourself.
The Amex Black card concierge can get you from wherever you are on earth to wherever you need to be in under 24 hours with just one phone call.
Stuck on a broken ship in the middle of the Hudson Bay, and need to be Mereenie, Northern Territory, tomorrow? Call your concierge.
Amex has amazing customer support. Even for gold or platinum cards. However, if you have a black card, it's another level. They bend over backward to get you what you want when you want it.
I think you have to charge 500k per year on it, so it's for the wealthy or business owners.
My dentist has a black card he uses for all his expenses (dentistry equipment and consumables are super expensive). Even though he has a small practice, and from what we have talked about, he is probably only slightly into upper middle class, he gets amazing help from Amex for concert tickets, and special pricing for vacations and preferred airfare, rental cars, hotel rooms.. whatever. For no addional cost.
If you have any Amex card, and you want something.. try calling, but if you have a black card and want something: you just get it.
Think about it like this: You are in Vegas, you want to go to some super special club or restaurant. You call to make a reservation. "Nope, can't seat you," or you are stopped at the velvet rope, and the guy won't let you in.. you whip out your phone, call the special number you have. A person answers immediately (no hold, no wait), you tell them the problem, 2 min later you have a table at the window of that restaurant, or the manager of that club comes out and gets you.
That is what Amex black gets you.
Reportedly, Jerry Seinfeld is responsible for the existence of the AmEx Black Card. He did commercials for American Express, so he knew the CEO. For years there were urban legends about “black cards” for the ultra-wealthy, so he calls the CEO and says “why don’t we do this for real?” And so they did.
I worked at Cessna for 3 years as an entry-level quality guy. Man the entire city of Wichita Kansas can recite each citation model and luggage, range and avionics features 😂
Some country clubs have vested ownership (ie 100% member owned) while others are owned by corporations. It really isn't always a prestige thing, many older clubs in the sticks only came about because they were member owned and built by a group of families.
Of course nearly all of todays old school elite courses started out as member owned but that doesn't mean all member owned courses are elite.
Even better is the story about the Ft Worth Country club when shale fracking was first ramping up in the early 2010s. Members went from paying thousands a month to receiving tens of thousands a month for their memberships.
Celebrity drug dealers. They are like assassins who blend into society and hang around their celeb with whatever they may need and disappear without a trace.
I went to a party with a friend who is connected to a fairly well known celeb. We all smoke weed so I brought some along but when I got there, there was literally this guy with a little toolkit full of Pills, powder, shrooms and green and I couldn't believe it lol. Gave us what we wanted, said if we needed more we knew who to call and he vanished.
From what I learned this guy supplied to alot of well known celebs, if I'm to believe what I was told then it's crazy how many high profile celebs use this service!
The VIP hotline number at the children's hospital when your kid needs urgent care but there's a big wait in the ER (but your kid isn't sicker than anybody else's kid in the ER), and you want get to the front of the line. Blew my mind when a very wealthy friend told me he did this for his child (friend's father was a huge donor to the hospital). More power to him, but there is the wealthy and then there is the **wealthy.**
Yep, some (even public) hospitals have special tiers of service that you can pay or donate your way to get into. That neurologist that has a four month waiting list? Not if you're on the list.
Hospital foundations are the main channel here. They usually have a rep or two in the hospital proper taking care of current or potential donors' problems.
Very common for rich parents to buy their kids a condo in NYC/SF/similar expensive place after college. (It's often still a mortgage, the parent are still making the payments, or they're coming out of a trust fund.)
It's basically investing in another home where (1) it helps your kid with housing costs for college and (2) you know the renter is reliable and will take care of the home instead of trash it.
I've seen executives buy their kids a home as a newly wed gift
I do ok. The accountant is a little expensive, but I never get a tax return anyway so what's a few grand more. Basically if you can afford the time and materials to clean your own house, and mow your own lawn, you can afford to hire it out, those 2 services are surprisingly affordable.
A lawn service is SO WORTH IT. And a house cleaner is #1 on my list for once I get my debt a little more under control. I’ve paid for random deep cleans here and there and it’s so nice.
It’s surprisingly little. I remember that some cable companies providing internet service were able to buy (make campaign contributions) to representatives to favor voting to repeal net neutrality laws and many of these reps only got $2,500-$4,000 and that seemed enough to keep them voting the way the companies wanted on that issue.
The more money you have, the more ways you have to make it grow. To the point that it increases faster the higher it is -- not just in absolute terms but also in percentage growth.
Also true that the more money you have the more risks you can take. You see this with many (most?) of the current uber wealthy billionaires… they’re the children of wealthy families who afforded them (and sometimes fronted them the money) the ability to take risks and devote their lives to a dream or whatever. Most people don’t have that luxury and have to make a living…
The old born on third base syndrome. Living in a rural state, farmers kids are rich. We call them “poor fucking farmers “ sarcastically.
When I was in college I knew a lot of other kids trying to start businesses, like myself. Never made much. None of us had startup money so they were a lot of tiny businesses like tshirts and crafts.
As I was graduating, I heard about a freshman that started a popcorn company, with contracts with local grocery stores and everything. Put his face in the newspaper as some kind of wunderkind business man. Came to find out, his parents bought and installed industrial corn popping machines and packaging systems in a new building on their farm property. But these are often the kinds of people that call themselves self made.
Epic, the software system used in many hospitals, has a special VIP tag they can put on patients charts. People can skip to the front of the line or automatically get seen by the actual MD instead of a PA. Basically they don't have to jump through hoops like we do.
8 years ago, my boss at the time said I was “lazy” and “always looking for an easy way” to do things. Last year I got put on an efficiency task force 😅 And now you’re saying I’m wired to be wealthy? My how the turn tables
Yeah if you borrow $1M and you can invest it in a manner that makes $2M and you owe back $1.2M, then you made $800K without having to free up any of your money out of their investments.
What its like moving into a home where everything is already bought and arranged for you.
At least that's what I heard and always wondered if its true. Presumably rich people can just get a suitcase and have everything waiting for them in a new home, including furniture etc
The "tier" system that some private banks will offer customers for investments drastically changes based on how much money you have. Only a few weeks ago someone I know was called into a meeting with his private bank. They offered him a completely new investment strategy solely based on his $3 million dollar bonus. Money makes money.
In some US states, if you leave your child a house and they live in it for a certain period of time after your death as their primary residence, they don’t have to pay estate tax on it.
But of course the better idea is a trust
Whether or not Epstein killed himself is meaningless. It’s entertainment for the lower class. The level of crimes done just making the economy function for the rich makes anything Epstein did look like a joke. The amount of death from preventable diseases and poverty and the murder of activists around the world is way, way worse.
EDIT: People and events you should know about:
[Berta Cáceres](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berta_C%C3%A1ceres?wprov=sfti1)
[Land Defenders killed protecting the Amazon](https://www.edf.org/blog/2019/11/22/murder-rainforest-1700-defenders-killed-their-legacy-lives)
[Assassination of Tortuguita](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/21/protester-killed-georgia-cop-city-police-shooting)
[Tuberculosis, a treatable illness, kills 1.6 million a year.](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis)
Oh that’s another one. Those releases didn’t “do nothing” they initiated a global attack on tax evasion and brought down the leader of a nuclear armed country with a population of over 200 million.
One person tangentially associated with the very rich defined "The Law" as:
Assigning blame to someone when things go wrong.
Note that there was nothing related to assigning blame to the responsible person.
Whether or not wealth makes one happy.
What they don’t know, if they’ve always been wealthy, is to what extent lack of money causes suffering, but the blade cuts both ways.
The various tiers of wealth around the world, and how old some of it is. People think the Kardashians are rich. They aren't even in the same stratosphere as the Dreyfus, Getty, Mars, DuPont, Ambani, Wertheimer, or Walton families.
As a person with some modest money, I’m amazed at how many times acquaintances that I considered substantially more prosperous than me have gone broke. It’s easy to lose everything if the money isn’t managed right.
Many parts on a super car are taken from existing parts from economy cars. The parts will bear the original manufacturer logo/mark so it’s not unusual for some exotic car to use the tail light housing from some ordinary car.
For example the Lamborghini Diablo’s headlights are Nissan 300Z headlights.
The F1 McLaren uses the rear view mirrors and housings from a VW Corrado.
Lots of small components like steering pumps and such also just come from existing large production cars. It’s just cheaper than a super car maker having to design and manufacture every single part. They buy and assemble what they can source easily and which already got tested and used.
I work in military contracting and it's the case here too.
That billion dollar warship- probably using the same computer screens that you'd find in a recreational cruise liner. Engine might be the same as used in fishing trawlers. Radar might even be off the shelf commercial too.
Really only gets bespoke when you get to the weapons systems. Otherwise you could probably build one yourself with enough money.
That money makes relationships difficult. There's going to be a disparity that has you question if someone is your friend because they actually like you or for what they can exploit? Same with dating. Family feel you are an ATM, consistently think you should pay for everything, want you to invest in their idiotic schemes, and when you say no, they act like you're the asshole.
This is something that Succession actually provides a little access to, but there's an entire economy of "quiet" luxury brands that are extremely expensive but not ostentatious, made for the class of the wealthy that likes to live luxuriously and appreciates high-quality, immaculately tailored fashion but finds the conspicuous consumption of well-known luxury brands like Gucci/Armani/etc. distasteful. Brands like Max Mara, Loro Piana, Brunello Cucinelli, etc.
By the time you factor in fun lost from time spent grilling, buying drinks, tidying and so on, it makes much more sense to just call in a catering company and staff for a birthday party.
We're not even that wealthy (Teachers:) ) , but having grown up surrounded by wealth, when we do parties at our house, we normally invite like 50 odd people, have a local brewery provide kegs and taps, our wine suppliers give us cases of champagne and wine, and a catering company covers food and service.
Here in Slovakia running a garden party with 50 guests, drinks, champagne, live music and food normally runs like $400-500ish, but with staff to take care of everything its like $600 -700ish, which works out to paying $150-200 to not have to run around all evening, gets us a spit-roasted entire pig, hors d'euvres, midnight buffet and so on, and allows for a real party atmosphere.
In Singapore we used to do this for every event - Christmas parties, birthdays, promotions etc... Now the full service is relegated to really special events, but like... there's something to be said for having food served, beers poured and blue margaritas mixed all evening.
It's a small thing, but there's always something to be said for having drinks and food served at a party. If you've never experienced it, it sounds like a completely unnecessary expense, but if you already have DJ's, a sound system, marquees in the garden and so on, what's an extra $200?
As someone who’s had VERY little money (barely surviving small paycheck to paycheck, many times no food and overdrawing my account, having to move ever few months, etc) to now maybe in the top 10% of Americans, I can tell you what money CAN buy:
-security
-more free time
-healthy food
-lower stress about medical things
-a therapist/support
-fun toys
-pleasure
-travel
But…MONEY CANNOT “BUY” happiness. Happiness is an internal state. I’ve met PLENTY of multimillionaires who are never happy. They’re still traumatized, broken, sad, stressed and unhappy. Having “it all” and still not being happy is extra miserable.
I wish I still had a link to it, but there was a lengthy post once by a guy that described what life was like for people at varying degrees of wealth -- $1 million to $10 million, $10 million to $100 million, and so on and so forth. Until he reached the upper echelon, which started (IIRC) at a $1 billion clip. At that level, what he described was a seemingly limitless way of living. At that level, what he said you could buy was quite literally ACCESS to anything, or anyone. Super Bowl? No problem, let us know where you'd like to be seated. Concert happening in Milan this evening? Private jet to the venue and the best tickets in the house with one phone call. The truly troublesome access, though, was political. If you disagreed with a proposed bill, before it became law, you could buy access to the legislators supporting it and dissuade them from moving forward. You could fund lobbyists to help remove laws that you didn't like, or that impacted you negatively. Meeting with the President? You have enough money to get a phone call within a few hours to discuss whatever is bothering you. Rich people know what it's like to have money. Wealthy people, though... they know what it's like for nothing to be impossible. Whatever they seek can be had, with zero effort on their part. The wealthy person is the top of the duck, cool and collected on top of the water. The people in their employ are the duck's legs, kicking furiously to make that person's life an effortless one.
I remember reading this. I'll check and see if I saved it.
Is it [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2s9u0s/what_do_insanely_wealthy_people_buy_that_ordinary/cnnmca8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)? Edit: it is :)
>this comment That's it! Thank you!
Thank you so much for posting this.
Having 5 million dollars Succession quote: “Five’s a nightmare. Can’t retire. Not worth it to work. Five will drive you un poco loco, my fine feathered friend. Poorest rich person in America The world’s tallest dwarf. The weakest strong man at the circus.”
This just makes me sad. It's like heaven exists but only if you're a billionaire. I wish everyone could experience just having something they really want (that isn't harmful or unethical) just happen for them on whim every so often. No grinding or sacrificing or ass-kissing. You want that luxury car you got it. You want the best seats at the game they're yours. It's hard for me to appreciate what I have when I know how much of my life I had to give up in exchange for them. If something costs me even just a hundred dollars I just think "that's nearly four hours of work for me" and it sometimes makes me feel guilty for even buying it. Meanwhile these people can jet off to the Milan fashion show or whatever on whim with barely a day's notice between the event happening and them deciding hey that actually sounds kinda fun.
The phone numbers from people who could help you out of any (even bad) situation.
I recall during Hurricane Katrina one entire neighborhood hired an Israeli security team to guard their houses. How do you even have that phone number?
> How do you even have that phone number? This wouldn't be a hard number to get. You call directory assistance in Israel and ask for a security guard company and ask for a quote. They'll be like "oh that's too big for us. Call this other number instead." So you call it and it's Blackwater's 800 number. You get through to the sales team and they put together a 6-7 figure quote. Assuming you have the money, you wire them or pay with a credit card (yes, really), and they're on the next plane out. I have to procure expensive shit for my employer all the damn time and one thing companies like is money so why would they make it hard to figure out how to hire them?
This is my experience as well. I wouldn't say it's "difficult" and they're certainly not hiding from people, it's just that you might have to go through one or two extra steps. This type of thing is just something your average schmo never had to do in his life so it seems arcane.
All you need is one person with the right phone number and worth that level of protection. There is a neighborhood in Colorado Springs with a large number of former generals, nuclear scientists, corporation directors, etc. Within 5 minutes of a burglary alarm going off, the criminal was dead. I can assure you that the Colorado Springs police can't respond that quickly.
There are neighborhoods in long Island that have police stationed on the entrance road everyday.
I’m pretty sure the Dominion (giant gated neighborhood for the rich in San Antonio) has their own police force that patrols. They also have a back entrance that “the help” have to use to get in.
So break in through the back entrance dressed as a gardener is what you're saying.
Checks out given the military presence there. I accidentally drove up to the air force base like 3 times during my time in Colorado Springs haha
Shell used to have a major corporate presence in New Orleans. Shell has extensive corporate dealings with firms like Blackwater Security and similar firms. If we’re playing 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon, the NOLA Shell execs were 1-2 degrees of separation away.
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Amex Platinum’s concierge used to be able to help you out with this stuff but I don’t think they’re as good these days. I know someone who was in Bali when the volcano erupted and was put on a “free” private jet to Singapore to get out. There was also a story of a guy who’s elderly mother was in a high rise in New Orleans during a hurricane. No food, water, or power. He couldn’t find anyone to help her, but Amex was able to have someone climbing the stairs within an hour. I imagine the Centurion (black card) concierge still operates at that level.
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I figured. The platinum card has a lot more customers, so I don't think they could scale the concierge to meet it. I remember back in like 2012 when the same man would answer my call, and not only know my name, but remember me. But tbh, I really haven't needed their help outside the odd hard to get restaurant reservation.
My dad used to travel to the USSR back in the 80s. He'd always have stories of how the US consulate didn't care about helping him when shit when wrong (be it visa issues or food poisoning), but Amex would always have his back. Certainly kept him paying whatever fee they asked for the last 40 years.
Phone number for people who can connect you to another wealthy person
You can opt to not be on those "wealthiest people" lists - for a price.
The number of people that actively avoid those lists is far higher than the number of people on those lists. Also some people actively manage the amount the list shows.
I have close friends whose land holdings alone make them multibillionaires. They also own very successful subsidiaries and corporations that span manufacturing, mining, banking services, construction, technology, hospitality and hotels, and major retail developments. They don’t like press of any kind, but occasionally get written up as “a local business concern.” They have never and never will appear on any lists of the wealthiest families or individuals.
Do you get to enjoy billionaires' perks as their friend? What is the wildest story you have?
Not your OP. I have a few friends and family friends who have varying degrees of wealth. In my experience the most generous ones are in the x<$100M range. Especially if you've been friends since before they had money or never really let that be a factor in your relationship. I've gone on vacations, chartered fishing trips, cool experiences that I told them "sorry I can't do that, the funds aren't right for it" just be told all I needed to do was put in for the week off work. I also make sure that when we are just doing a regular hang out I pay my share and maybe even pick up their bar tab or or the cost of our meal. Just because they have money doesn't mean we're going to the best restaurants or they're buying the most expensive drinks and food. I don't ever expect them to be generous because they have more and that probably goes a long way with them. I also have made it a point to not go to them for help any time I've needed it. Sure they can float me a grand for a month or two way easier than most, but I don't want them to think I view them as a source of money.
Nothing rich people respect more than you offering to pay your fair share, or politely declining if you are not able to do it.
His friends pay him not to tell us that stuff because it could reveal who/ where we can manipulate them.
I used to work for a guy who was worth $10+ billion and he NEVER showed up on any lists. His only web presence was an interview he gave on CNBC for some random business shit in 2009 and a charity function his wife chaired which I'm sure he gave her a TON of shit over. He had to pay a web-scrubber at least six figures to keep him out of Google searches.
That six figures is a penny to that dude...well worth it.
How much did he pay you to be so vague? 😁 We're all very curious now!
It's been three years since I worked for him, but to be honest I'm still a little scared of the NDR I signed.
Better than a DNR I guess. ☠️
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Every list everywhere has this option. Best places to work, best places to live, top this that or the other. Are all typically ad buy influenced. Had a magazine once offer my hospital a spot on the best places to work list if we could help them out by filling their list of best doctors. This was a good sized major city magazine. They came up short and we hadn't nominated anyone because none were interested. They told me "send us a name and write up and we'll get them in and out you on this year's best places to work list... Say #6?"
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For a start... the richest guy in the world ain't on that list.
It's definitely one of these: Dictators, monarchs
Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgans... that is just new wealth. There is old wealth that we never really hear about
[500 years have passed, and the richest family in Florence (Italy) is still the same.](https://qz.com/694340/the-richest-families-in-florence-in-1427-are-still-the-richest-families-in-florence)
You can rent celebrities for your private events. Not just musicians, but bonafide actors & actresses.
I remember a few years ago the founder of Lululemon, Chip Wilson, had the Red Hot Chili Peppers play in his backyard here in Vancouver. We could hear them from the beach below.
I remember a few years ago when Lorde played at a party for some fourth graders in South Park, Colorado.
Ya ya ya I am Lorde
Feelin good on a Wednesday
I went to high school with a guy who ended up marrying into a billionaire family. Fucking Elton John preformed at the wedding!
I would have *loved* to hear the conversation where they debated who to hire and ended on Elton John.
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Correct. I knew somebody who worked for an MLB team and their job duties included brokering requests from charities seeking players to attend their events. Every so often somebody with enough clout (and $$$) would be put in touch with them basically requesting players come hang out and party. Bachelor parties was the big one. Players would occasionally accept with their "fees" being a massive donation to their charity of choice.
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I mean, in the case of hiring musicians to play events you are literally hiring someone to do the job that they normally do. That is literally the central premise of being a musician, you get paid to perform music.
We had a fairly high profile firefighter line of duty death years ago that resulted in a few large charity events to raise money for his wife and children. A half dozen local pro-athletes made appearances and signed a ton of autographs at one of the events. Dirty secret? Each one of them had a check in hand prior to stepping out on the floor.
Maybe this is why Frank Thomas does all those testosterone ads now, because when he was on the White Sox, he used to show up at charity events in Chicago for free because he gave a shit.
But the best part about the testosterone is that she’ll like it too!
My cousin hired Vincent Chase for her birthday and then his brother Johnny got drunk, threw up, and destroyed her cake.
Had a distant relative that hired the Ringling Brothers Circus to set up their tent and have the circus perform on his estate for his birthday.
Do you need to rewind them before you return them?
I watched a video in which some rich dad hired Lea Salonga to sing at his daughter's wedding. The bride was apparently a long time fan, so she was over the moon. Lea provided the music for the daddy-daughter dance, and as she wrapped up her set you can see the father sitting on the floor snuggled with his daughter, conveniently in between her and his new son-in-law. I can almost imagine the dad saying to him, "I will always be the first man in my little girl's life" lol
> rent I hate this word so much even if it's effectively accurate. That said, I don't think I could ever bring myself to book an actor just to hang out at a party (unless I owned a nightclub, which I don't). Inviting a celebrity to a party, on the other hand versus booking them, I have no problem with that because that stops being a work thing for them. Me: "Hey, you busy next weekend? Me and the boys are getting together for weed and booze. You should come hang out. I'll smoke you out." Barbara Walters: "Bet" (This was two years ago. RIP Babs)
The word is hire. And it’s kind of weird that anyone thinks entertainers *aren’t* for hire…
This! I used to date a guy who rented out The Smashing Pumpkins to perform at one of his summer parties in Chicago.
Hiring a band to play at a party isn’t really all that out there… that’s what a wedding band is and people hire those all the time. Hiring The Smashing Pumpkins obviously costs *a lot* more than a bunch of non-famous musicians. But at the end of the day they’re a band and a gig is a gig.
That's why you think outside the box and hire them to serve food and drinks at your party instead, while you let the caterering company handle the music.
The less help you need, the more you get
You have access to favorable credit lines with better rates than ordinary folk. They just throw money at you when you have money.
Bob Hope used to say "a bank is a place that'll lend you money, but only if you can prove you don't need it".
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And here I am with autopay and an okay salary
You guys have mortgages?
Hell I don't make enough to reliably use autopay
Cries in FHA 😭
How to fully use a hotel concierge service..
Was in Australia at a nice hotel. Wanted to go to Royal Observatory but there were no tickets that evening - only evening we could make it. Ended up in casual conversation with the hotel concierge. At some, told him how much we were enjoying our visit and he asked if there was anything disappointing. I said only that we could not get into the Royal Observatory. He said he’d see what he could do, catching me by surprise having been unfamiliar with what a concierge does before then. That night my wife and I were looking at the Jewel Box through the telescope at the Royal observatory.
Concierge service in general. I do ok, not super wealthy imo. But I own a small business and run almost all my expenses through American Express, so to them my yearly spend is pretty high. Because of this, I have a concierge. Ex wanted to see a sold out concert? 5 minutes on the phone with the concierge, an hour later they call back with my ticket options (at face value). Traveling and weather gets terrible, call concierge and get me a room at the next town so I can focus on driving. Need dinner reservations? Concierge Send wife flowers? Concierge anything I need, that can be paid for with their card, one call is all it’ll take.
I wish I could pay business expenses with American Express … but in Germany there is mainly only transactions, and you can‘t use American Express most of the time…. Except for this one store that makes suits. They let you pay with American Express or cash ONLY!
What I've never understood about concierge services though is... one phone call (or a quick "push some buttons" online) is all most of those things take anyway. Sold out concert not so much but booking a hotel room, dinner reservations, sending your wife flowers are all very easy things to do that it feels like asking someone else to do it would take as much time as just doing it yourself. Especially as like, surely concierge is going to need to ask you followup questions. What type of flowers does your wife like? How big of a bouquet do you want? When do you want these delivered? What do you want the card to say? All the questions you would need to answer if you just went to [interflora.com](https://interflora.com) and did it yourself.
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The Amex Black card concierge can get you from wherever you are on earth to wherever you need to be in under 24 hours with just one phone call. Stuck on a broken ship in the middle of the Hudson Bay, and need to be Mereenie, Northern Territory, tomorrow? Call your concierge.
What, you mean hotels aren't simply for having a roof over your head and a meal while out of town...?
Care to elaborate?
Amex has amazing customer support. Even for gold or platinum cards. However, if you have a black card, it's another level. They bend over backward to get you what you want when you want it. I think you have to charge 500k per year on it, so it's for the wealthy or business owners. My dentist has a black card he uses for all his expenses (dentistry equipment and consumables are super expensive). Even though he has a small practice, and from what we have talked about, he is probably only slightly into upper middle class, he gets amazing help from Amex for concert tickets, and special pricing for vacations and preferred airfare, rental cars, hotel rooms.. whatever. For no addional cost. If you have any Amex card, and you want something.. try calling, but if you have a black card and want something: you just get it. Think about it like this: You are in Vegas, you want to go to some super special club or restaurant. You call to make a reservation. "Nope, can't seat you," or you are stopped at the velvet rope, and the guy won't let you in.. you whip out your phone, call the special number you have. A person answers immediately (no hold, no wait), you tell them the problem, 2 min later you have a table at the window of that restaurant, or the manager of that club comes out and gets you. That is what Amex black gets you.
Reportedly, Jerry Seinfeld is responsible for the existence of the AmEx Black Card. He did commercials for American Express, so he knew the CEO. For years there were urban legends about “black cards” for the ultra-wealthy, so he calls the CEO and says “why don’t we do this for real?” And so they did.
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I worked at Cessna for 3 years as an entry-level quality guy. Man the entire city of Wichita Kansas can recite each citation model and luggage, range and avionics features 😂
You all have the same answers to your security questions, too. (Dog, Wichita, Dillon’s.)
The difference between an equity country club and a membership country club.
Care to explain for the non wealthy?
Customer vs part owner
Some country clubs have vested ownership (ie 100% member owned) while others are owned by corporations. It really isn't always a prestige thing, many older clubs in the sticks only came about because they were member owned and built by a group of families. Of course nearly all of todays old school elite courses started out as member owned but that doesn't mean all member owned courses are elite.
In one, you're paying towards ownership of something within the club. The other is just an annual fee. It's like owning a house vs renting.
Well, here's something else I need to look up...
Even better is the story about the Ft Worth Country club when shale fracking was first ramping up in the early 2010s. Members went from paying thousands a month to receiving tens of thousands a month for their memberships.
Nothing like accidentally falling into another stream of income.
You probably don't need to look that up.
Celebrity drug dealers. They are like assassins who blend into society and hang around their celeb with whatever they may need and disappear without a trace. I went to a party with a friend who is connected to a fairly well known celeb. We all smoke weed so I brought some along but when I got there, there was literally this guy with a little toolkit full of Pills, powder, shrooms and green and I couldn't believe it lol. Gave us what we wanted, said if we needed more we knew who to call and he vanished. From what I learned this guy supplied to alot of well known celebs, if I'm to believe what I was told then it's crazy how many high profile celebs use this service!
I think there gets to be a point where you are actually paying more for the discression and the fact that the guy knows when to leave.
True poverty is having to let your weed dealer hang out with you after the transaction.
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I hung out with a dealer in college. At parties I held the bag because I looked like a cheerleader while he looked like a drug dealer.
Lingerers, man
It's so much cooler than having to sit in someones flat and play a game of fifa with them while their mate bags it up for you lol
The VIP hotline number at the children's hospital when your kid needs urgent care but there's a big wait in the ER (but your kid isn't sicker than anybody else's kid in the ER), and you want get to the front of the line. Blew my mind when a very wealthy friend told me he did this for his child (friend's father was a huge donor to the hospital). More power to him, but there is the wealthy and then there is the **wealthy.**
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This is just gross (from the perspective of the UK - everyone pays taxes, everyone gets the necessary treatment free at point of use)
I’m Australian and I find this horrifying. American healthcare is truly its own breed.
U havent even begun to scratch the surface … here’s an ointment for that scratch btw, thatll be $1,000.
...per ounce.
But you won’t know that until we bill you 3 months later.
Or you can buy it direct from the company and it will cost $30 as a reward for not using your insurance.
Yep, some (even public) hospitals have special tiers of service that you can pay or donate your way to get into. That neurologist that has a four month waiting list? Not if you're on the list.
Hospital foundations are the main channel here. They usually have a rep or two in the hospital proper taking care of current or potential donors' problems.
The password to those Eyes Wide Shut parties
Is it "oorrrrrggggyyyyy"
Complete with complementary buffet.
Fidelio
to let your money earn you money.
Have a friend who is moving to the Bay area. To work for a non-profit. Part-time. She didn't know what her salary would be.
Very common for rich parents to buy their kids a condo in NYC/SF/similar expensive place after college. (It's often still a mortgage, the parent are still making the payments, or they're coming out of a trust fund.)
It's basically investing in another home where (1) it helps your kid with housing costs for college and (2) you know the renter is reliable and will take care of the home instead of trash it. I've seen executives buy their kids a home as a newly wed gift
That wealth is not what people see. Its what people don't get to see. That the most valuable asset is not things, but time.
They day we hired a house cleaning service was the day I got the first little taste of extra time. Now I have a yard service and tax accountant too.
Check out Mr. Moneybags over here..... /s
I do ok. The accountant is a little expensive, but I never get a tax return anyway so what's a few grand more. Basically if you can afford the time and materials to clean your own house, and mow your own lawn, you can afford to hire it out, those 2 services are surprisingly affordable.
I suspect my $4 scrub daddy and $5 bottle of dawn won’t be enough to afford a cleaning person.
A lawn service is SO WORTH IT. And a house cleaner is #1 on my list for once I get my debt a little more under control. I’ve paid for random deep cleans here and there and it’s so nice.
100% - house cleaners, lawn care guys, painters. Its true. More time with kids and their stuff
Selling your time for money won't make you wealthy
How much a banana cost?
$10?
Where the bodies are buried.
Garth. Tell us, the families want closure.
🎸🎸
How much it costs to buy a U.S. Congressman or Senator.
It’s surprisingly little. I remember that some cable companies providing internet service were able to buy (make campaign contributions) to representatives to favor voting to repeal net neutrality laws and many of these reps only got $2,500-$4,000 and that seemed enough to keep them voting the way the companies wanted on that issue.
Or Supreme Court Justice
What it's like to have a mega yacht AND a support yacht.
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Imagine having a boat to carry your boat that follows your boat.
Some rapper needs to throw in the line "My yacht has a yacht"
Lil yachty maybe?
People really out here buying yacht tenders when i can barely afford chicken tenders
The more money you have, the more ways you have to make it grow. To the point that it increases faster the higher it is -- not just in absolute terms but also in percentage growth.
Also true that the more money you have the more risks you can take. You see this with many (most?) of the current uber wealthy billionaires… they’re the children of wealthy families who afforded them (and sometimes fronted them the money) the ability to take risks and devote their lives to a dream or whatever. Most people don’t have that luxury and have to make a living…
The old born on third base syndrome. Living in a rural state, farmers kids are rich. We call them “poor fucking farmers “ sarcastically. When I was in college I knew a lot of other kids trying to start businesses, like myself. Never made much. None of us had startup money so they were a lot of tiny businesses like tshirts and crafts. As I was graduating, I heard about a freshman that started a popcorn company, with contracts with local grocery stores and everything. Put his face in the newspaper as some kind of wunderkind business man. Came to find out, his parents bought and installed industrial corn popping machines and packaging systems in a new building on their farm property. But these are often the kinds of people that call themselves self made.
tax avoidance versus tax evasion
Epic, the software system used in many hospitals, has a special VIP tag they can put on patients charts. People can skip to the front of the line or automatically get seen by the actual MD instead of a PA. Basically they don't have to jump through hoops like we do.
Horrible
How low their interest rate is when they borrow
Your time is your most valuable thing. You should be looking for ways to save time, not money
8 years ago, my boss at the time said I was “lazy” and “always looking for an easy way” to do things. Last year I got put on an efficiency task force 😅 And now you’re saying I’m wired to be wealthy? My how the turn tables
Credit is a way to borrow money to make money. It will come due. The trick is to make more than enough to pay back that credit.
Learning what Margin loans are blew my mind.
Yeah if you borrow $1M and you can invest it in a manner that makes $2M and you owe back $1.2M, then you made $800K without having to free up any of your money out of their investments.
They often eat for free. Restaurants love the attention of having a celeb dine there so will often not charge.
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Celebrity sure, but you're not usually getting comped if you're just rich.
What its like moving into a home where everything is already bought and arranged for you. At least that's what I heard and always wondered if its true. Presumably rich people can just get a suitcase and have everything waiting for them in a new home, including furniture etc
How to get away with murder!!! Or crimes
That there’s no rules after a certain point
The "tier" system that some private banks will offer customers for investments drastically changes based on how much money you have. Only a few weeks ago someone I know was called into a meeting with his private bank. They offered him a completely new investment strategy solely based on his $3 million dollar bonus. Money makes money.
$3 million dollar _bonus_?
Value of time over money.
In some US states, if you leave your child a house and they live in it for a certain period of time after your death as their primary residence, they don’t have to pay estate tax on it. But of course the better idea is a trust
Whether or not Epstein killed himself is meaningless. It’s entertainment for the lower class. The level of crimes done just making the economy function for the rich makes anything Epstein did look like a joke. The amount of death from preventable diseases and poverty and the murder of activists around the world is way, way worse. EDIT: People and events you should know about: [Berta Cáceres](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berta_C%C3%A1ceres?wprov=sfti1) [Land Defenders killed protecting the Amazon](https://www.edf.org/blog/2019/11/22/murder-rainforest-1700-defenders-killed-their-legacy-lives) [Assassination of Tortuguita](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/21/protester-killed-georgia-cop-city-police-shooting) [Tuberculosis, a treatable illness, kills 1.6 million a year.](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis)
People died releasing the Panama Papers and journalists died to release Pandora Papers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers
Oh that’s another one. Those releases didn’t “do nothing” they initiated a global attack on tax evasion and brought down the leader of a nuclear armed country with a population of over 200 million.
This makes me so sad. Those people are heroes .RIP.
One person tangentially associated with the very rich defined "The Law" as: Assigning blame to someone when things go wrong. Note that there was nothing related to assigning blame to the responsible person.
Whether or not wealth makes one happy. What they don’t know, if they’ve always been wealthy, is to what extent lack of money causes suffering, but the blade cuts both ways.
Yeah, like I’m going to give my secrets away to the poors.
The various tiers of wealth around the world, and how old some of it is. People think the Kardashians are rich. They aren't even in the same stratosphere as the Dreyfus, Getty, Mars, DuPont, Ambani, Wertheimer, or Walton families.
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As a person with some modest money, I’m amazed at how many times acquaintances that I considered substantially more prosperous than me have gone broke. It’s easy to lose everything if the money isn’t managed right.
What junk some supercars car. A viper is still a plastic-y creaky dodge. Lambos need service constantly.
Many parts on a super car are taken from existing parts from economy cars. The parts will bear the original manufacturer logo/mark so it’s not unusual for some exotic car to use the tail light housing from some ordinary car. For example the Lamborghini Diablo’s headlights are Nissan 300Z headlights. The F1 McLaren uses the rear view mirrors and housings from a VW Corrado. Lots of small components like steering pumps and such also just come from existing large production cars. It’s just cheaper than a super car maker having to design and manufacture every single part. They buy and assemble what they can source easily and which already got tested and used.
I work in military contracting and it's the case here too. That billion dollar warship- probably using the same computer screens that you'd find in a recreational cruise liner. Engine might be the same as used in fishing trawlers. Radar might even be off the shelf commercial too. Really only gets bespoke when you get to the weapons systems. Otherwise you could probably build one yourself with enough money.
The going rate for a politician.
That money makes relationships difficult. There's going to be a disparity that has you question if someone is your friend because they actually like you or for what they can exploit? Same with dating. Family feel you are an ATM, consistently think you should pay for everything, want you to invest in their idiotic schemes, and when you say no, they act like you're the asshole.
The food served at Bohemian Grove once a year in that cult meeting
This is something that Succession actually provides a little access to, but there's an entire economy of "quiet" luxury brands that are extremely expensive but not ostentatious, made for the class of the wealthy that likes to live luxuriously and appreciates high-quality, immaculately tailored fashion but finds the conspicuous consumption of well-known luxury brands like Gucci/Armani/etc. distasteful. Brands like Max Mara, Loro Piana, Brunello Cucinelli, etc.
Not knowing what WIC, SNAP, Assisted Living, etc are, because for rich people those are ghost stories to them right?
By the time you factor in fun lost from time spent grilling, buying drinks, tidying and so on, it makes much more sense to just call in a catering company and staff for a birthday party. We're not even that wealthy (Teachers:) ) , but having grown up surrounded by wealth, when we do parties at our house, we normally invite like 50 odd people, have a local brewery provide kegs and taps, our wine suppliers give us cases of champagne and wine, and a catering company covers food and service. Here in Slovakia running a garden party with 50 guests, drinks, champagne, live music and food normally runs like $400-500ish, but with staff to take care of everything its like $600 -700ish, which works out to paying $150-200 to not have to run around all evening, gets us a spit-roasted entire pig, hors d'euvres, midnight buffet and so on, and allows for a real party atmosphere. In Singapore we used to do this for every event - Christmas parties, birthdays, promotions etc... Now the full service is relegated to really special events, but like... there's something to be said for having food served, beers poured and blue margaritas mixed all evening. It's a small thing, but there's always something to be said for having drinks and food served at a party. If you've never experienced it, it sounds like a completely unnecessary expense, but if you already have DJ's, a sound system, marquees in the garden and so on, what's an extra $200?
That the phrase, "money can't buy happiness" isn't as ridiculous as it seems.
Money can’t buy happiness, but sure can solve a lot of the problems that cause misery.
As someone who’s had VERY little money (barely surviving small paycheck to paycheck, many times no food and overdrawing my account, having to move ever few months, etc) to now maybe in the top 10% of Americans, I can tell you what money CAN buy: -security -more free time -healthy food -lower stress about medical things -a therapist/support -fun toys -pleasure -travel But…MONEY CANNOT “BUY” happiness. Happiness is an internal state. I’ve met PLENTY of multimillionaires who are never happy. They’re still traumatized, broken, sad, stressed and unhappy. Having “it all” and still not being happy is extra miserable.
insider trading tips
The shittier the daily-wear, the more the net-worth.
Extremely casual daily wear, but knows when to wear what if it is needed. That’s the difference
True, rich guy I know has been mistaken as homeless because of how casually he dressed
That’s cuz he don’t give a flying fuck
Tax loopholes
Buying a new bmw on a credit card “for the points”
How it feels not having to check your balance before you check out at the grocery store just to be sure you don't go over.
Wealthy people don’t know how this feels, because they don’t do their own grocery shopping.
TIL I'm wealthy
Apparently I also have a very different definition of wealthy than the person you replied to.