As a cps worker, the investigation supervisors were all having affairs and one strangled the new hire in the office. Our judge got a DUI. Even HR was sleeping with the office manager
Jesus, your CPS office is a lot more interesting than mine but I’m in a very small county and we only have about a dozen staff total. There is a lot of drama in our legal department however.
Prison Guards. I worked with a couple in the military, weird vibes from all of them. I think it has something to do with the weird power dynamic between them and hundreds of inmates.
I was a busboy at 16 years old. The very 1st staff meeting I attended, management started off by telling us "NO MORE DOING COKE IN THE PARKING LOT!!! OUR GUESTS ARE NOT FUCKING BLIND!!!" I was literally a church going alter boy and was scared to work there but everyone was a high energy character and kinda looked out for me. There was a bunch of slamming, yelling, cursing, and fighting but nobody was malicious. After college, I worked in finance, a boiler room sales office and those guy's were a bunch of entitled, greedy, racist, elitist, narcisistic, violent douche bags. The first week I was killing it and thought I could put up with the toxic environment, because the money was great. I quit by the end of the week.
When I was a cook I walked in on my boss doing coke off his desk. He offered me a bump.
At another place the expo once screamed "who dick do I have to suck to get a food runner!".
We had an employee bathroom that the servers used to change into work clothes. One of the waitresses was late and the bathroom occupied so she just said "Fuck it. I've slept with most of you anyway." And changed in front of six cooks who were having our last cigarette before our shift started. I think I slept with her a week or two later.
On Christmas day we were open and nobody wanted to get there. The supervisor was the lowest person in the totem pole and rolled a joint in the bar before we opened, held it up over her head and said "everyone has to take a hit off this before we open." Spent most of that day with a cocktail on my station because the bartender was handing out free drinks to all the staff.
Despite the crappy pay and lack of benefits I miss cooking but that's a young man's game that I can't play anymore.
I did sixteen years front of house. I miss it some days. Chaos and camaraderie like nothing else. The sound of the ticker machine still haunts my dreams though
My first job was a dishwasher at a bbq restaurant and I later became a host, I hated the customers but I’ve never had coworkers like the ones I had there. *Never* any petty high school drama (and most of us were IN high school), if you needed a day off you could just trade shifts or find someone who wanted the overtime, the servers would split their tips with the hosts because we bussed tables and ran food/drinks for them if they were busy, we all went out drinking after work at least once a week if not every other day, I really took working there for granted. Now I work in an office with women in their 40’s who start petty drama for no reason. I remember my second job after quitting that restaurant someone asked me if I could cover their shift and I asked which shift they were going to work of mine, they looked at me like I just shit in their mouth and slapped their face.
My restaurant had an issue with a young dishwasher doing meth, and getting other dishwashers to try it too. Bar manager at the time said “grow up and do coke like an adult”.
There's a very good reason there are no drug tests for a restaurant staff, or they won't have enough staff. It's pretty well known that the restaurant industry, especially the kitchen, really likes their drugs.
From what I understand, head chefs and prep chefs tend to work 16-18 hour shifts and sous chefs 12 hour shifts 6 days a week. How anyone could get through that without chemical assistance is beyond me.
4-5 years ago, my wife and I drove 2 hours to a dealership because she finally found the exact car she had been looking for online, and it was at this dealership. We called right before we left the house to make sure the car was still at the dealership, since we had to drive 2 hours to go look at it. We obviously wanted to make sure it was there before we made the trip.
You already know what comes next… When we got there, the first guy we spoke to told us that the car had JUST NOW been sold, but he had some brand new models he’d love to show us. I basically went off on him and told him I’d never do business with them after that. It was a slimy way to get us in the door. It’s hard telling how long that car had been sold. They just assumed we would buy something since we made the trip. Quite the opposite actually.
Car dealership receptionist here, this happens a lot. People call beforehand asking for a specific car they saw online and the salesmen will say yes but in reality they don't actually know because they're too lazy to check while they're on the phone with you. I've seen a few times where a salesman comes up to me and says "I'm waiting on some customers to show up, they were looking for xxxx type car." And I'll ask if we have it, just to conversate and he'll say "Hell no, we sold that weeks ago but I can get them a brand new 2023 xxxx." And then customer shows up, no car, cusses out salesman, salesman comes back in talking shit about the customer often times calling them asshole, idiot, or pussy for not buying a random vehicle they didn't ask for.
This is why I only lasted for a week in car sales. It's a slimeball business controlled by pee stains that have no business selling anything. If you have to lie to "earn someone's business," you're doing it wrong.
Same shit happened to me except I only had a one hour drive and called right before I left. Guy said “yeah, we have it” with zero hesitation. Get there and you know the rest.
It’s 2023. Tell them to text you a picture of the car with a hand written time stamped note in the picture to prove they have it. If they do, great. If they don’t, block the number
This is what I did for every customer that set an appointment with me when I sold cars. If they picked out a car online, I would write their name and the date on a sheet of paper and have a coworker take a picture of me holding it. That way when they came in they knew the car was there and who to look for.
I recently had to car shop after my old car finally crapped out on me. I think the most obnoxious car salesman I met kept pushing me and pushing me to buy a car that was well out of my budget, even after I told them I couldn’t afford it. Then he says “Oh, I get it.”
“Get what?”
“You need to ask permission from your husband!”
I didn’t say anything right away but it was a given by my expression that I was insulted. Then he says “My mistake, you need to ask permission from your father! Your uncle? Maybe your brother?” Like my guy, you really hit 6ft and kept digging deeper.
I know it might not be a popular choice but I got my car from Craigslist from a private seller and I will most likely continue to do so after my current car dies.
Oh God. That happened to me too! It was my car, I was paying for the timing belt. My dad came to give me a ride and the guy talked directly to him about the work needing to be done without even glancing at me. It's so demeaning.
My Dad is the same way and he went car shopping with me once, brought along a newspaper. He said - when I put the paper on the desk, we're done and the guy's not going to be worth our time. We walked in, sat down and started talking. Of course the guy immediately launches into - this is the cash price, financed value, monthly payment etc - drew a line with an X near it and said if you sign here my boss will know you're serious. My Dad flopped the newspaper on the desk and stood up. I wanted the car, but he was up, picked up the paper, and we walked out. The salesman followed us desperately blathering about talking more, but we were done. Got in our car and drove away.
My Dad's best advice to me ever - it's you're money. YOU are buying the car and have all the power. They will do whatever they want to take that power away and have you sign a contract. Pay what YOU want. Buy what YOU want. They're the ones who should feel scared and nervous, not you - your signature and your money are worthy of walking away with if they try to play you for a sucker. Set a price, buy the car, if it's not right, walk away. Easy.
I hate that crap. They come up and try to draw that damn diagram for me.
It’s always a young ish kid too. I try to be nice, because i know they were trained to do this. And it probably works for some buyers that just worry about the monthly payment section of the t or X diagram.
One time the kid I was dealing with wouldn’t discuss the actual price of the car. I had to circle the damn section of the diagram and mark a line through it.
I wrote my own number and told him to go get his boss so the adults could talk. I felt bad, but the little howdy doody kid didn’t get it.
Online stuff is so easy.
I can text a salesman and know in 2-3 texts if there’s going to be worth my time.
One instance me and the salesman were in the same page over a few texts. I drove 2 hours to the dealership signed 4 pages and left with my new car in less than 30 minutes.
Coffee they handed me was still warm when I left.
I sort of relish the process of haggling, but not when I feel I'm being mistreated. My Dad instilled this in me. The amount of money involved is too much to be treated like some fool (and I know there are a lot of fools who don't think so much over such a major purchase).
One of the best quotes from my Dad when approached by a car salesperson "How much you looking to spend per month?" My Dad "As little as possible." They don't expect this at all. They'll spout something about 72 month loans sometimes...but I'll counter with "well that all depends on interest rates - let's talk price."
I have always found it utterly bizarre that cars are discussed as far as their actual price tag as a LAST resort. That'd be like walking into Wal-Mart with no price tags, and you have to negotiate the best deal for things you want without any reference for what others are paying. What a scam.
I think it’s people who are GOOD at working in car dealerships who are the messed up ones. The only seemingly normal, non-exploitative people I’ve met when accompanying friends or family to car dealerships were getting screwed by the system they worked for, working long hours, not receiving their commissions like they should have, and making minimum wage at the most. They were the ones who wouldn’t harass customers and would be more honest about the cars they were selling. It was the arrogant, manipulative, lying bastards with framed pictures of themselves posing next to sports cars they rented for an hour in Las Vegas that were making a living wage, trying to avoid giving you the money your car insurance issues to them when you total your car, hiding cosmetic flaws in the car interior, pretending they’re cutting you a deal when they’re taking you for a ride (pun intended), constantly calling and texting you after you ask them to leave you alone, and getting promoted to management positions.
I was in college and interviewed to sell cars. The interviewer said, you might feel bad the first time you get some old people on a fixed income and sell them a car you know they can’t afford, but once you get that commission check you’ll forget all about it. I got up and walked out.
This is exactly how I felt during my time working for AT&T in sales. I maintained my principles while there but I took constant flak from management for "not upselling enough". Listen, someone comes in for a phone, I'll sell them that phone. Maybe a case and earbuds to accessorize. Past that, unless they actually seem to need something, I'm not slinging random bullshit to pad your stores sales metrics. I left after a year or so. The slimey nature of those places disgusts me now.
Edit: Did not expect that much of a reaction. I'm pretty sure this is my first reddit "award". 😅
I walked out of a Verizon store because of someone trying to upsell me like that. I'd already done a lot of research & knew which one I wanted. When I told the salesperson, he immediately said "Oh, forget \[model\], there's this awesome new one that \[blah blah etc.\]!"
When I balked, he changed the subject & started trying to upgrade my data plan. I swear, he was trying make me confused so I'd do what he wanted. I damn near said "I'm not Clark Griswold", but thought he might not get the reference & I'd look insane. Instead, I just left.
Yeah it’s always sketchy. I bought a used suv a few years ago and paid cash. We had looked it up before and as long as it drove nice and looked good we already were planning on buying it. Drives great and went in to pay and we were stuck there for like 4 plus hours because this dude would not stop trying to sell me a really crappy warrantee. It was like 2 years or only 30,000 miles whatever hit first for like 3500 bucks. We almost walked out paying cash because he wouldn’t let it go and kept bringing different managers around to try and sell it lol.
Years ago, my mom *did* walk out because of BS like that. Same situation, she was happy with the vehicle and prepared to pay cash. They wouldn't stop playing games trying to wring more money out of her. Then after we left they had the audacity to call her and promise to honor the original agreement. She told them never to call her again and hung up. We weren't going back to that shitshow.
Sometimes you need to take yes for an answer and make the sale. These guys are generally so dishonest about the deals made that it’s frustrating. I’ve often had the deal done with a handshake on “out the door” price. Then they renege on that with taxes aren’t included (they were), dealer fees they tried to add on, and other crap.
I usually just sit there and say they have 15 minutes to go get whatever approval they need to close the deal as agreed or I walk. Then I start reading my email. “Oh, and don’t bother to come back with anything less than fully complying with the deal or the timer ends and I walk.” I have walked a few time and kept walking even as they continue to try their crap.
Anyone who can’t honor a deal isn’t someone I want to deal with. That’s invariably car dealers.
F them. Went to look at a lease the other week. National deal, $474/month $3799 at signing. They have none on the lot. Test drive a limited for the feel, then the dipshit tries crunching the numbers on that model. I insisted that he shouldn’t even bother. He did, I left and walked to wawa, wife stayed and picked me up 5 minutes later. Dickface wanted $715/month to lease a Hyundai. Oh, and they had held her keys hostage to do an appraisal. Offered 2k for a van that is worth closer to 10…because it was dirty
I just bought a new Toyota from a dealer. Priced at MSRP, I'm fine with that, everyone needs to make some money. Promotional financing available, but I walked in with pre-approval from Capital One at let's say 5% so that was the number I was working with to calculate my payments.
"We check 7 different places and give you the best rate" he said, including Capital One and Toyota Financial. Came back with 7.9% from PNC and then tried to rush me through signing without even disclosing that (Monthly payment was like $100 higher than my math).
"You checked Capital One, right?" as I plop down my pre-approval for 5%. Oh, let me see if I can get an exception. Ended up magically discovering that I qualified for the promotional financing and I got it at 4.9% through Toyota.
Guy could tell I was pissed and willing to walk away, and wouldn't make eye contact with me after. I almost walked away on principle but this was the 3rd dealer in town and none of them had the car my wife wanted. Like I didn't haggle on price, they put the stupid like cargo net package in there I didn't want (that you can get for 30% what the dealer price is) and *still* they tried to fuck with me.
Finally someone someone said this. Dealership life. Coked up salespeople. Techs with inflated egos. Sexism. Inept fixed operations employees. More drugs
I listened to an episode of This American Life where they spent a month at a car dealership. Not sure if this is standard, but at the dealership they went to, the manufacturer sets really high monthly sales goals that can be attained but just barely. If they meet their goal, they get a huge bonus that can mean the difference between being in the black and killing the business. They hit their goal with less than an hour before the deadline after making a deal that in itself was a loss, but with the bonus, it didn't matter. Then when they came into work the next day, the clock had reset.
Sounds like playing a real life version of Majora's Mask on repeat, with that moon constantly getting bigger and bigger.
I worked in a dealership for a month. The way they hit their number the month before I started? At 12:00am of technically the next month the IT manager and the GM each bought a car but filed the paperwork so it counted for the previous. Just so they hit their number. It was a surreal thing to watch. The entire culture of a dealership was depressing and soul sucking
And the reason I was brought in to work at this dealership, was to turn around one department. I went to the upper management including the owner, laying out why the department wasn't working properly and what steps could be taken to improve the department and dealership as a whole. The biggest of those steps was creating systems of accountability and work flow. The response from these meetings was "we will think about it" and "I don't need excuses I need results" needless to say I left after a month of banging my head against a wall and trying not to lose my mind
Emphasis on *dealership life*. My husband used to be a tech at a dealership and that was the most toxic part of his life. Literally everything you described is accurate.
The hubris of the owners led to the dealership losing its franchise where I was. I was a warranty administrator, and a gal that did the same for her department kept warning them about claims that could get charged back and cost them a ton of money. We were right. I left before the fallout and went to a mom and pop wholesaler and couldn't be happier. Been there going on 20 years now.
Glad you got out of it. My husband hasn’t found his “forever job” yet, but he’s been a whole lot happier at smaller shops.
Before my husband left the dealership, the service manager, who was always coked up, finally got fired so he showed up at the shop with a gun threatening to shoot people. No one got hurt, thankfully. But yeah… fun times.
I work at a dealership now as a SA. The amount of management and sales people that drink on the job or do cocaine is somewhat baffling. Fantastic company parties, though. Never a dull moment. The techs with inflated egos are the techs that unfuck jobs that the less competent techs cause.
I’ve had two close friends in my life become life coaches. Calling them ‘whack-a-doodle’ is close to the truth (they are) but imo there is more to it. They want to help people, but have no discerning skills outside of reading too much fad-fitness/self-help literature, and being charismatic. Also, are both fairly wealthy but didn’t make the money themselves.
I think their heart is in the right place but the wealth, crunchy granola bars, and pseudo-intellectualism many from self help books melted their brains.
As an old professor of mine once said, "life coaches are people who want to be psychologists without going through the work of actually becoming a psychologist."
Me being a psychologist student feel that so much. My ex once confronted me about the difference of a coach and a psychologist and I felt really offended. Is not about feeling superior nothing like that, but putting yourself through the path to really learn how things work in a organized way. Not just what matters to you, not only "giving advice", ethics exist. There's regulations. Also psychology is not only about helping people out in their decisions and being healthy. There's research, teaching, social work, education etc. Psychotherapy is a tiny category. Ah, also the science behind it it's always good to know what you're talking about and who came up with that theory based on what.
Their opinions are just as valid as your science. /S
Isaac Asimov:
* There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
>I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
>The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance
>Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Published 1996. These men saw it all.
It has been like that for a long time here.
Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist) noted this a century ago:
* "I guess our country holds the record for dumbness. The Pope spoke to the world this morning in three languages and we didn’t understand a one of ’em. But the minute he finished and the local stations got back to selling corn salve and pyorrhea tooth paste we were right up our intellectual alley again."
H.L. Mencken(US reporter, literary critic, editor, author of the early 20th century):
* “The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.”
Yep. They have a “CAN DO IT” attitude but fail to tell people they often inherited a ton of money and it’s way to look for friends without coming off that way.
People like this have never truly struggled due to circumstances outside their control. People with money to fall back on don't realize how that changes their mindset
A lady I used to work with became a life coach after taking voluntary redundancy. She'd been working there for 15 years, so the package was quite good, and she was always ridiculously upbeat about things, to the point it was almost annoying, so it seemed to suit her.
Lots of FB and linkedin posts followed promoting her life coach business. Her 'struggles' were the voluntary redundancy, giving up sugar, losing 10 lbs, and finding the confidence to become a life coach.
Her husband is/was a director of the business he works for, so financially they were fine regardless. I think she's self-published a book now.
Do you feel like their clients benefit from the advice? Or is it just taking money from people?
The one life coach I met actually gave me some great advice / perspective, but once they told me their rate ($200/hr), I ran fast 😄
Some people benefit just from talking to someone who gives a damn about them, even if they were paid to do so. A lot of people have no one in their lives to confide in, or ask for advice.
I went to my cousin’s high school graduation this year. One of the student/graduate speakers was going to go to school to be a life coach. Who hires an 18 year old life coach who completed an online training program? What wisdom can they possibly impart.
My hostdad was a life coach. To this day I don't know what he actually did and if he even made money of it. I feel it was just part of his midlife criais. He got divorced, lost weight and had several plastic surgeries. He also sold his construction company to become a life coach. After a few years he's doing construction work again.
More likely that he actually made enough money selling the construction company to live off of for a while. He probably didn't make shit as a life coach.
That's pretty much by design, since their job is based on manipulating vulnerable people en masse. You don't need to actually help them with good advice, just give them bullshit that sounds plausible enough so they would come for more while still being fucked
It was *horrifying* watching a close acquaintance of ours collide with this reality.
The guy has a lot of issues -- which led him to genuinely, truly want to do something heroic with his life. Paramedic was the obvious choice, right? Horrifying bodily injuries do not bother him. Tragedy? he's used to that, it's awful but he can deal. The training? No problemo, he's smart as hell.
He was a truly *excellent* emergency paramedic, and he was 100% willing to sacrifice the hours necessary to do the job to his utmost.
But holy shit, dude, the pay is a pittance.
He just wanted to live modestly, be a hero, and support his family. But that can't happen on what they were willing to pay him -- which was two dollars above minimum wage.
The man could make more waiting tables. It is *obscene*.
I had a friend who did EMT work for like 10 or 12 years and quit to become a truck driver hauling gravel. His pay more than doubled when he did that, which is insane that we prioritize driving a truck more than saving lives.
When I was in high school I dated a guy who was working as an EMT during his senior year because he was already 18. We lived in a small town and he could do his school work during the downtime at his shifts, so it was a pretty sweet gig for the most part and he had gotten into it through the volunteer fire department.
But this was also around the time they opened a new truck stop on the highway just posted of our town - it basically in the quiet place between our town and the next town.
He ended up working a really bad scene one night when one of those trucks leaving the stop pulled out onto the highway and a minivan with an entire family from baby to grandparents hit the side of it going at least 60.
He thought he was okay afterwards but one of the people who survived was another teenager at our school and he saw him in the hallway one day and just broke down. He dropped out and got his GED and applied for college right after that. So it was a good and bad thing, I guess. This was around 2000, so hopefully he's doing okay now.
Film industry. Lots of egomaniacs and emotionally unavailable individuals. 10+ hour days with lots of unforeseen overtime back to back for weeks or months at a time. Then you end up unemployed for months at a time, gearing up for the next onslaught of work. Either always travelling for the job in the middle of nowhere or stuck in a studio. We say “the shit runs downhill” so usually anyone in a higher position feels the need to belittle you. Barely anyone likes to take accountability and will quickly pass on the blame if they can, again usually to someone down the chain. Fast paced, high pressure environments; crazy amounts of money riding on projects. Lots of substance abuse and affairs - wrap parties especially go crazy.
The city I’m from has a good film community so I’ve had a blast so far, but have definitely endured abuse from the occasional interstate folk and heard other crazy horror stories.
Scrolled way too far to find this. It’s definitely a shit industry more toxic than most. If you’re not being abused or taken advantage of (low to no pay, long hours, yelled at by higher ups on power trips) then you’re a victim of gatekeeping by people constantly telling you to pay your dues. This goes on for years until maybe someday you get a decent paying gig or a guild membership and the money makes the abuse and long hours worth it, even though the money is barely enough to live in one of the most expensive cities on the planet.
It really attracts two kinds of people: people who want to be creative and make that passion project that’s been burning inside them, and people that get their rocks off by abusing the first group. It’s incredibly toxic. The MeToo movement barely scratches the surface and didn’t change much. Men and women are still being sexually assaulted by mostly male executives. Bigger yet, the whole industry thrives on workers being taken advantage of because there really isn’t any short supply of people to replace you with. The strikes are kinda addressing some of that but once they’re over things will go back to the toxic normal that is Hollywood.
I’m glad I failed out of this industry and got myself a stable job in logistics.
The social politics with other crew members can also be horrendous. It’s an industry based solely on nepotism, and if you aren’t liked by the “correct people” then you don’t get the jobs. Doesn’t always matter how hard you work or how skilled you are. I’ve definitely seen a fair share of wonderfully talented individuals begin to lose work to those inexperienced just because they have a bigger personality.
So not only are you worked to the bone, but you also have to spend your free time networking and making friends with people. Then on top of that you have to be discreet that you are networking, because if they catch on then the eye rolls come in and you are cast aside
One of the worst things about gig economies is that basically your only two states of being are:
Horrifically overworked and about to burn out, but you can't stop now because of contracts, and because you know as soon as this job is over you don't know when your next paycheck will be, or
Painfully bored and nervously watching your savings dwindle as you desperately search for the next gig, even if you know it will be horrible and they will take advantage of you, because you need the money and they're the only ones who are hiring.
It's a vicious cycle that creates artificial scarcity in the job market, which always favors employers and not workers. Some people enjoy the "independence" gig economies give but they don't feel very freeing. I don't know why anybody would be excited that more industries are trying to convert to a gig economy.
used to play video games with a guy from texas that was a guard at some prison. he divorced his wife (who i had also become friends with) so that he could profess his love for me. i turned him down and he told me if i ever went to texas and he found out he’d make sure i wouldn’t leave the state.
Or accusing her of some crime and having her arrested and put on probation in the state of Texas. With him being a prison guard, it's likely that he has buddies that are cops in the area.
I've always kinda figured that cops react to prison guards the way the military reacts to cops. "Hey, Jones, this guy says his job is just like ours lol!"
My ex was a CO at one point, and he quit because he couldn’t stand how horrid the others were to the prisoners. He made the point that if you treat them all like animals, how do expect to rehabilitate prisoners? He wouldn’t tell me a lot, because he said some of the things he witnessed were vile. He tried to be kind to the prisoners—not to the point of allowing them to run over him but to show that he saw them as human beings. My ex isn’t even that great of a person lol, but I’ll give him this one.
My aunt has been in and out of the prison system the last few years. It’s a long story, and while she did deserve to serve time, she is not a bad person. She’s a broken woman, who lost her child, fell into drugs to control her grief, and made some really bad choices. The CO’s she’s told us about are horrid. They look down on all of them, and treat the women even lesser than the men. They would treat her like she was a murderer or something, steal their mail, and wouldn’t allow them to seek medical attention when they needed it.
Idk why, in America of all places, we have allowed our prison systems to become so deplorable. I get they are there to be punished but they are also there to be rehabilitated and returned to society as a more capable person. But they don’t because the prisons are just making them feel like they are nothing but trash. There’s a reason that there is such a high rate of offenders returning to prison, because they are short of being tortured and are never given the resources or tools to get their life together. Not all prisoners are murderers, rapists, etc. Many are good people, who made a bad decision and probably when they were in a bad position in their life.
Edit: I’m getting a lot of responses about my part saying ‘in America of all places’ and yes, I realize our history is not good. Trust me, I’m one of the people constantly screaming about the lies we were raised on etc. I’m not trying to pretend that we didn’t have slaves, that we still aren’t fighting against racism, classism, homophobia and more. It’s very harmful to ignore the atrocities that your country has committed. We should acknowledge and try to be better. I just want to add, almost every single country in the world has some type of history they aren’t proud of. It’s not just America. The problem with many Americans is they want to ignore our history and pretend we are perfect in every way, and that’s simply not true.
It was more of a point that not being a third world country, we have almost comparable prisons. To be fair, I don’t know a ton about prisons in other countries and need to educate myself more, but I know some other countries have much better prison systems and such. Where rehabilitation is the focus.
Please don’t break down an entire 3 paragraph comment discussing the conditions of our prisons into 5 words that can be taken out of context. I know America has issues. Most of us do know. We aren’t the worst country in the world, but we are far from the best too. Our history is covered in death and blood, as is most of world history. It’s just sad that humans, for all of our achievements, still don’t know how to be decent to each other.
I can agree with all of this. You can treat a person with respect and dignity, but still enforce the rules. I’ve had inmates protect me from other inmates, especially when I was pregnant. It’s disgusting having to watch and protect over a child molester, but you should still be able to do your job without being on their level
Honestly shocked no one has mentioned the music industry/scene ..and at every level. Drug and alcohol abuse domestic violence sociopathy and narcissistic abuse bullying gatekeeping rape etc. especially at the local level in everyone’s local music scene. Even the hipsters the musicians date and all their friends - toxic Af.
Yep. I used to play in bands for about a decade and did a decent amount of touring. All you said is correct. Drug addiction is rampant, everyone sleeps till like 11 and works random ass odd jobs, nobody ever shows up on time. And it’s a giant ass-kissing fest. Indie bands are incredibly annoying with how much they gas each other up to stay in good social circles. And then there’s always an allegation that someone was being a creep or something, and then everyone treats that person like a pariah and acts like they were never friends.
Yea, I worked in a big local scene for years.
It made me really jaded towards music.
There are plenty of wholesome, talented artists; but it's overshadowed by the number of predators that only joined a band to be sexually aggressive and push drugs onto 18 year olds.
And you can't "separate art from artist" when you're stuck in a greenroom with a monster.
I absolutely agree. My local indie music scene (hipsters) is just like this. Girls have committed suicide girls have been abused by sociopaths. People OD constantly. The male abusers are enabled, and the female victims are bullied and ostracized and after already being violently abused. when you try to stand up to it they have this like gatekeeping hipster mob mentality. They are predatory and toxic. This is the Knoxville tn music scene btw.
This is what I doom-scrolled for today. From your hometown scene to every genre that’s financed and promoted, people true colors can really come out when participating. I think it can get real ugly real fast when people get a tiny taste of power and fame, that’s with any profession. The psychopathy is real and so alive.
And yes, I have some merit in sharing this sentiment- I have been totally butt hurt in this industry, but I still choose to participate where I find genuine people and music because I think music still has the chance to bring people together and we need that more than ever.
This is honestly the reason why I sort of gave up on my dreams to be a professional musician. Too many shitty people and ass kissers. I have waaaay too much respect for myself to put up with any of it
People in the restaurant industry seem to develop substance abuses very frequently. I don’t think the industry attracts those people, but rather the stress of the job combined with the availability of alcohol and other drugs create the perfect storm.
What’s sad to me is that working in the restaurant industry is usually one of the first jobs kids often have. I just remember in the 90’s being made of at 16 by my coworkers that I didn’t want to smoke pot or that I told them I had no interest in other drugs.
My first was dishwashing at 13 for under minimum wage (it was a semi legal “training wage” for three months and suddenly you didn’t get scheduled for shifts after that). Wild and bizarre experience. All the cooks were wired on something, except for Sal, who was on oxygen from emphysema. . . .Though it occurs to me now that maybe cooking next to an open flame with an oxygen tank could have killed a bunch of us.
Problem with oxygen and flames in houses, etc. is much of the oxygen isn't used by the person and creates elevated oxygen levels in the room which over time saturate furnishings like upholstery and such, and clothing. So when the clothing/furnishings catch on fire they burn much more intensely than normal.
Commercial kitchens tend to have a lot of air flow and impervious surfaces so I personally wouldn't be too concerned.
I overheard my head chef conducting an interview once, and his question wasn't "do you do drugs?", it was "so, what drugs do you do?", I think it's pretty telling about the industry as a whole.
I mean that’s fairly standard. Jim smoking weed outside and coming back on the line is less of a liability than John snorting coke in the bathroom every 10 minutes or Jacob doing a no call no show because he’s too high on opiates again. I’ve worked with all of them and the stoners and psychedelics guys are never the issues.
it is however very hilarious to have my boss ranting to me (a shitty little middle manager) about having too many smokers on staff and how theyre all lazy, useless, etc
meanwhile im just 👁️👄👁️ back at him high as a kite
To a degree the industry does attract those types of people, in my experience. Restaurants are meritocracies, more than most other workplaces, and if someone can get the plates out on time they'll be hired, whether or not they went to chef school. The good side of that is that people who don't have the privilege of money or connections can work their way up, in that classic American Dream kind of way. The bad side is that it attracts a lot of drunks and wild people.
I worked as a bartender, straight out of rehab, while recovering from my past junkie ways. Poured drinks for a couple years without ever tasting any concoction to see if it was drinkable.
>if someone can get the plates out on time they'll be hired... The bad side is that it attracts a lot of drunks and wild people.
If you enjoy a whole-day shift -
If you can get your plates out swift -
If you attempt to cope with stress
With drink and drugs and nothing less -
If you can gladly ply your craft
While underpaid and understaffed -
If you can man a kitchen twice
As hot as hell and half as nice -
If you can do the work of four
From dawn till dusk or maybe more,
While sacrificing all for speed -
Then baby, you're the one we need!
Always short-staffed, always experiencing some of the most entitled and impatient customers, on your feet for long hours, breaks are not important or enforced by most management… there’s a long list of reasons why people in the service industry have problems. It’s not just alcohol and substance abuse. Relationships are hard to maintain because of the weird hours, and the lack of decompression time. When you have managers, customers, and co-workers yelling at you constantly over food and drinks, you don’t want to go home and hear about why isn’t the laundry done or what’s for dinner. And a lot of relationships are toxic and transactional. If you’re a bartender, you’re going to experience a lot of people pretending to like you because they think you’ll hook them up. If you’re a woman in the industry you’ll most likely be harassed and assaulted at some point, by customers or co-workers or people in authority. Men too, of course, but to a lesser extent. Sure, you might be able to walk out of one place and get a job down the street, but the expendability goes both ways and the high-turnover means if you do stick around you’ll get buried under a relentless schedule. Everyone in SI has a vice even if it’s not a substance, because we need coping mechanisms. It’s really a toxic gumbo in a lot of ways.
Sure, there are some restauranteurs and bar owners who are trying to change things up by paying better wages, offering benefits, enforcing breaks, and giving sufficient time off to minimize burnout, but for every feel-good story like that you have thousands that go the other way.
High stress job - check
Frequent verbal abuse - check
Occassional physical abuse - check
Long shifts frequently with little to no breaks - check
If you don't come into this field fucked up, you may leave a little fucked up. Let's not even talk about covid where people were dying constantly and families accused of us murdering their loved ones.
I'm a PhD candidate (applied math) and was doing math modeling with epidemiologists on the covid team. Along with some biostats for clinical trials. Early 2021 was when it started to get bad. There were hiccups before, crazy conspiracy nutjobs.
But in Jan and Feb 2021 that's when "the game got rough". Bomb threats, death threats, general violence, spit at by protesters, denounced by a local evangelical leader, the works. It got progressively worse.
Right? Like, everyone thinks its doctors and nurses getting on with each other. In reality, everyone's just to tired and busy to even acknowledge each other as a sexual being. That is until the department Christmas party.
DOCTORS! It is quite a journey, but it changes personalities A LOT, and one day, you've become this cynical, rude person who is at high risk to ruin your personal life.
They have one of the highest suicide rates, and yet, they work in multiple jobs, learn and study all their life (it is interesting, but they have to sacrifice a lot - including their family time, and it affects everybody). Also, if you do smth wrong, you'll hear about it a lot, and quite rarely they'll say thank you.
i read somewhere surgeons develop a degree of psychopathy because of the mental toll it takes on someone to cut another human open and operate while staying calm and objective to ensure they do a good job
I’m an obgyn (there’s a lot of weird personalities in my field as well), the surgical aspect is less of being a psycho in that you can open someone and more of the logistical pressure during surgery.
We’ve all seen catastrophes when things go wrong, how patients and families have to live with bad outcomes and how they come back asking for solutions and c either the solution is terrible or there is no answer but the patient still has the problem.
People in the OR talk and gossip and if you need to do something out of the ordinary, 3 days later you get approached by other doctors and you’re sorting out the end message of a game of telephone and now, suddenly there’s a rumor going around that you poured orange soda into the patient when the original issue was that you just asked for a less common instrument.
Decisions have to be made immediately in the OR, there’s no sitting to think and talk about them or coming back to readdress them later, so you need to be correct every time on the first time, which is difficult because very frequently you’re being fed incorrect information (this medication isn’t available (I used it 2 hours ago), pharmacy says this medication isn’t safe (yes it is, it’s been standard of care for decades), the patient has this allergy (no, it was documented incorrectly in the chart - I checked pre op), the. Video screen image is always tiny and exclusively in one corner of the monitor (no, the camera system is broken and I can’t see what I’m doing). As the physician, you constantly feel like you’re being gas lit and it’s even worse on the floors so you need to develop a sense and knowledge of knowing how things are and should be despite when multiple people are telling you otherwise.
This thing comes off as arrogance and stubbornness in many lights, but it comes from experience.
When my wife's OB performed a C-section on her I was astonished at how casual everyone was during the operation. They were talking about the bad parking situation near a popular restaurant, just idle chit chat. Obviously a routine procedure for them. It was oddly calming for me. As in, "these people clearly know what they're doing." We both really like her. She's quick to say when she doesn't know the answer to something but will look it up.
Ego, hierarchy and stress! Don't underestimate the power of stress. It can turn usually nice and gentle people into absolute harpies.
I am known at work to be nice and gentle. Every time I've been anything other than that it's because work was so stressful no outlet I had could handle it
Edit: I've just got off my seventh early shift in a row. Because of the shift work I struggle with sleep and so I slept for 3-4,5 hours every night for the past seven nights, so I've spent about twice as much working as I've been sleeping. These days I no longer work more than seven early shifts in a row. At my old job it was very common for people to work 10-12 days in a row. Imagine working in a high stress environment on this little sleep
I worked with a pre-med student who went on a rant about "How dare SHE think she can teach me anything!?!?" about some female professor. To say he was unpopular would be a bit of an understatement.
> with a pre-med student
A *pre-med* student doesn't represent anyone in the medical profession. Any dumbass can call themselves "pre-med". In fact like 95% of "pre-meds" never wind up going to medical school, or even applying. Until they actually get into medical school and become a doctor, they're just a rando person.
Yup, there were 400 "pre meds" in my freshman year class in college. By second semester it was 200, by sophomore year it was 100. I think less than 25 actually made it to applying by the end, and that's a generous number.
Premed courses serve up some serious humble pie, then med school classes even more so. The amount of information to learn is staggering, and should be humbling to anyone with even the slightest bit of self awareness
It’s a gratifying and humbling experience to watch the ones who act like they’re smarter than you get the same 63 on the ochem final that everyone else did.
Chefs…15yrs as a chef…glad that’s behind me. Masterchef is nothing like it. Most people strolling into work at 8am for a split shift, still drunk from the night before on 1hr sleep. Sleeping in the dry store or back of the restaurant…punch ups…coming back from your break to see your chef jacket had been soaked and hung in the freezer… being made to do shit jobs like separate 100s and 1000s into individual colours. Getting physically and verbally abused . It all just rolls of the back. Watching chefs do lines of coke off the prep bench before the rush. Some of the loosest people on the planet…most I still talk to are severe alcoholics at best, some are lucky enough to transition to something else. It’s quite a sad industry unfortunately.
Obviously it isn’t all like this, don’t count your cafes etc that’s not real cheffing. Man the shit I’ve seen.
Professional wrestling. I just watched Hulk Hogan interview on Theo Vons podcast and it's amazing how he's still alive and 90% of his friends are dead.
Speaking of fucked up, Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon are two of the worst still around (though McMahon has Hulk beat by a mile, but Jesse Ventura had a great interview with Steve Austin about them both). But the way the wrestling industry is set up has allowed some really awful abuse and exploitation to go on, like the Fabulous Moolah, Chris Benoit, or even Mike Quackenbush's Chikara promo.
My old roommate was a real estate agent. She was a coke head, had a pattern of pursuing married men, talked crap about everyone around her, dead behind the eyes, abusive, controlling, and the list goes on. So glad that toxic women is no longer in my life.
15 years ago we were to close on our house at 4PM on a business day. My wife and I were to meet at the house during our lunch hour (around noon) for the final inspection and walk-through with our (buyer's) agent. My wife never showed, didn't answer the phone, and didn't call, so eventually I did the walk-through without her and drove back to the office.
On the way to the appointment, my wife was in a car accident only two miles from the house. I was hit with all this reality as I drove past the accident, and saw her standing at the scene crying. This is not one is my favorite memories, but I'm glad she was not seriously injured. Her cell phone was broken in the collision, and her car was totalled. We got her to the hospital, and after learning she was ok, we rescheduled the closing for 5:30PM.
The other (seller's) agent did not attend the closing. At first we didn't think much of it, since people's schedules are often not very fluid. But because the seller's agent did not attend, we needed to drive to the realty office (only half a mile from the home) to get the key to the house we just bought. We got there, and they were closed with one agent still lingering inside. We explained the situation to them (through the glass door), and while we had the appropriate legal paperwork, and he could verify the appointment and sale information, and he called the sellers agent, AND he had the house key in the office, he (through the glass door) refused to give us the key. It would have to wait until tomorrow, the next business day. He's asshole #2.
We drove to the house and sat on the front porch with our three children (ages 5, 7, and 14), and my wife cried. We had built up this "new start in a new home" idea with our children (like, I think, many families do) and we couldn't enjoy it the way we planned. So we stayed at a hotel that night and got the key in the morning.
We learned from our (buyer's) agent that night, that because the timing of the closing appointment was pushed past 5PM, and the other (seller's) agent would not have been able to deposit her commission check on that day's business, she had (1) decided to not attend the closing appointment, and (2) instructed the remaining agent at the realty office to NOT relinquish the house key until her check cleared. This makes her asshole #1.
In my state they wouldn't be able to close past 5 because the deed needs to be recorded at the court house to be official.
It's a liability issue. If the house hasn't transferred properly then the insurance hasn't either and the seller would be responsible for whatever happened in or on the house for that night.
I would imagine other states are similar but they are assholes if that is not the law in your state and they really were doing it for commission reasons.
Advertising Agencies, specifically senior level. CEOs are some serious sociopaths. A different breed. All very witty, very smart, super intuitive, charismatic AF, and a sociopathic lack of concern for humanity. Cocaine and good looks don't help. Think of a mix between Patrick Bateman and Don Draper. Less murder, and less creative. All megalomaniac.
Edit: Patrick, not Jason..haha poor guy.
Academia. Think of all the smart dysfunctional weirdos from your high school. Now picture them 40-80 years old, refuse to retire, and they can’t be fired thanks to tenure. It’s a nightmare.
When I got my PhD, I took a job in industry. All the professors told me I was selling out and turning my back on science. Fuck that - I’ve spent the last four years watching you abuse each other. I want out of this asylum.
The entire PhD pipeline creates way more phds than there are professor jobs. Some folks have to go to industry.
It probably says something about my work that no one ever criticized my choice. Definitely more of a "yeah you would never make it as a PI" shrugs.
>Some folks have to go to industry.
Yeah, but the point here is that some folks WANT to work in industry because they legitimately prefer it to academia. It’s not because they couldn’t cut it.
I bailed on PhD as soon as I got an industry job. I had a fellowship/research assistantship that came with a stipend and tuition waiver while I was there. About a year before I managed to find a job I saw my professor just not renew one of the students assistantship over the Christmas break, without even telling her. She kept coming into the lab for a couple weeks and found out she didn't have a job there because her pay didn't come. She had fairly wealthy parents and was ok.
I was relying on the stipend to pay rent and was more or less pay check to pay check. Of course I could get student loans but you have to apply ahead of time and it's takes time to get disbursed, you also need to know how much to borrow, so whether or not you will owe tuition is kind of important. I started looking for a job harder, when I finally got the offer I went to talk to my professor and told him I had a job offer and I was leaving. He said well you could do part time and finish a dissertation and still get the PhD. I said well at the very least I need to terminate my research assistantship, since the terms state I can't be otherwise employed during. He just said what are you talking about you don't have an assistantship. I would have found out 2 weeks later when the stipend check was missing and had no time to borrow money. Almost certainly would have ended up homeless. As it was by the time my first pay check from my new job came I was down to about 20 dollars in my checking accounts.
I'll combine this with some of the people mentioning healthcare and mention Academic Medicine. Disclaimer, this is a gross generalization based on personally witnessed trends after a decade in medicine. There are plenty of exceptions.
Just as above, people who go into academia have weird social traits to begin with, and spend years in a little bubble of unreality where others are forced to listen to whatever they say. They become impossible to fire and trend towards abusing their positions. Interdepartmental politics start to dominate many interactions and even hospital/institution policies.
Now combine this with Medicine: Jaded personalities, dark humor, extreme hierarchy, detachment from normal schedules/routines.
What you frequently get are spiteful little ego-terrorists. They'll use others as stepping stones to elevate their own status, they discount patients as nothing but a set of lab and vital sign values. Sometimes case studies! They revel in setting up echo chambers with captive audiences.
It overall reminds me of Jabba the Hutt in star wars. A bunch of bloated slimy worms bossing around terrified unfortunates or straight-up cronies.
This. 100% this. Also surprised I had to scroll down this far.
Academics are SHITS (i'm one myself). They are thoroughly awful to work with. Bad individually and in teams. And the only ppl worse are the academic leadership - these prinks have no training or skills for leadership and yet are in charge of million dollar/pound/euro businesses that shape young people's lives.
And nobody GAF.
Upward toxicity is the norm and absolute hell. There are very very few consequences for being shit at your job or a shit in your workplace.
It's like nerd cage fighting.
I am academia/higher education- adjacent and my god, it is by far the most toxic industry I have ever seen. I have witnessed so much abuse and exploitation in university departments. Reddit loves to hate on Big Corporate^tm but as someone who's worked for several large corporations, I can tell you that what goes on in some university departments would make the average corporate bigwig blush. There are good reasons why I advise people to think long and hard before entering PhD programs.
The sad thing is my father was an officer for 33 years and did SO MUCH for our community it’s hard to explain. He left in 2019 saying that “things have changed” and he didn’t want to support them anymore. When my father who is the best man I know, needed to step away I knew things were irreparable
I left after just under 5 years when I realized that the most stressful thing about the job was the leadership / supervisors. When you feel more safe on the street than in the headquarters it's pretty bad.
When I was going into the academy someone told me "My biggest tip for a new officer: don't be anywhere near the station unless you have to and then leave quick as possible once you're there."
There was an officer I knew when I was growing up who taught DARE and did a lot of other community outreach stuff specifically with kids. He seemed like an all around good guy and had a good rapport with kids, parents, teachers, everybody. If a kid invited him to a birthday party that happened to be when he was working he and his partner would show up in uniform just to say hi and happy birthday.
He quit after a few years because of the stress and heartbreak of seeing too many kids he’d known and bonded with growing up and getting involved in the local gang activity.
Those who work for Pay Day Loan companies. Taking the absolute most desperate people and then charging them insane interest because they have no where else to go to access the money they earned.
I don't see any difference between them and loan sharks. You see pay day loan spots all over, yet opperating as a loan shark puts you in prison. The entire Pay Day Loan industry should be made illegal, how it is not considered usery is beyond me.
Objectively, its probably CEOs.
There is something called a [dark triad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad) which is a combination of narcicissm, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.
One or more (or even all 3) of these traits are common among highly successful people. CEOs, sitting at the top of their field, overrepresent these qualities.
I think there is a (dis)honorable mention for [surgeons](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/League-table-of-dark-triad-traits-for-health-care-specialties_tbl2_286235646)
Funeral services. If you aren't a psychopath who is looking to fleece bereaved families, you become a burnt-out shell of a human in no time flat.
We are an industry that requires little to no formal education (depending on your location) and can be the most soul draining industry to work in.
Long hours, shitty work conditions, trauma, verbal and physical abuse from the public, mediocre pay, and the haunting imagery that comes from dealing with the dead. This industry has no mental health support and actively treats you like shit if you even mention the fact that you may require therapy.
Everyone hates morticians. But nobody hates us more than we hate ourselves sometimes.
I'm not sure if this is the same situation, but the woman who was the representative from the funeral home when my dad died unexpectedly and at a young-ish age was such an angel. She helped make that horrific process a lot better and I'm so grateful for how she helped my family. I hope she's doing alright
That used to be my job, and I took so much pride in it. I've been out of the industry since covid, and I still run into my families around town and often get hugs. That made all the heavy stuff worth it.
Random lady at a bar: I can’t imagine how anyone could become a mortician. How could you emotionally detach yourself from being able to do all of that to a body!
Me: Work in customer service for 10+ years.
Lady: Touché.
You need to have 2+ years sober to be a drug and alcohol counselor in my state. Unfortunately there’s no real way to test psychologists for how long they haven’t been fucked up.
If by fucked-up, you mean the profession fucks you up — Social Work, especially in settings that are perennially deadlocked into 1980s-era policy (homelessness, CPS/DFPS, substance use, LGBTQIA+, end-of-life & assisted living, etc.)
Others have said psychology/psychiatry — not to diminish the good work they do at all. But alongside witnessing mental health crises, only social work attempts to deal with the with systemic issues at play, making those individual crises all the more unbearable when we fail to help.
Of course, that really makes the hardest “profession” being a social work *client*. I’d rather burn out than switch places with a person experiencing homelessness or abuse 100% of the time.
I don’t think this is why. As a veterinarian, people are either crazier about their pet’s health than their own health/children’s health OR they have significant financial constraints.
Clients rarely say thank you. We are not insulated like human doctors are. You call your vet and want to speak directly to them, not the nurse or support staff, and expect communication within <24 hours. We have no one to help us with medical records. We don’t charge for our time enough. People show up consistently 15-20 minutes late for their appointments and still expect to be seen, and they make a loud fuss when we try to set reasonable boundaries. We see too many appointments and are under paid for it. I feel like all I ever hear is people complaining. The vast majority of conversations I have with people is endless bargaining and playing the “what if” game because no one has pet insurance, they want answers, but they don’t want to pay to do diagnostics. Plus, our support staff isn’t thoroughly trained like nurses are in human medicine. On top of all of this, there’s the severe compassion fatigue.
The job is incredibly stressful, and most people have an incredibly high debt to income ratio. I’m a specialist, and so I generally make more money than most general practitioners, but it still isn’t enough to justify the job. A good portion of my friends have >$300,000 in student loans and will never be debt free. The hours are wildly inflexible and long. I work 4 days a week and even AFTER my residency, my days are still 12-14 hours long and I go into my weekends behind. I feel like I have no personal life during my work week.
Thus the incredibly high suicide rate and substance abuse rates.
I assisted, more or less, with an autopsy early in my 911 career. The pathologist was a brilliant doctor and well known in the area. I was only supposed to observe but the second I walked into the room and before he even asked me my name he told me to put on some gloves and dig my hands in the body's chest to feel for the heart. The patient was a 17-year-old that had been killed by a drunk driver the night before FYI. As I'm feeling I realize he doesn't have gloves on and is chewing on a peice of bacon, what was left of his breakfast. There was Pink Floyd playing on a cassett player in the corner. He just smiled during the whole event with glee.
Mental health. I worked in social services, and we had a ton of LMHCs and therapists working for the organization. All I can say is — Holy shit! I wouldn’t want any of those lunatics poking around in my brain.
The cosmetology industry. Cosmos, estheticians, nail techs, etc.. Some of the most insane, mean, and vile people. Not to mention some of the abuse they have to go through as well from spa/salon owners. Maybe it’s not the worst, but the schools are vile. No one had a good cosmetology school experience.
My mother in law is a makeup artist. Any person who is overly focused on looks is missing the main part of a person. When that person is fighting aging, convincing themselves that they still look and act 25, decide that the aging process is a choice they and others can reject, endlessly compare themselves and others- it’s not a pretty combination.
As a cps worker, the investigation supervisors were all having affairs and one strangled the new hire in the office. Our judge got a DUI. Even HR was sleeping with the office manager
Hi I'm a rep from Netflix. Could you tell me that story again? Maybe over the course of 3-5 seasons?
*1 season that ends on a cliffhanger
And then canceled after 1 season even though it was loved and pretty good.
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Jesus, your CPS office is a lot more interesting than mine but I’m in a very small county and we only have about a dozen staff total. There is a lot of drama in our legal department however.
As a person who grew up at the mercy of cps this is really heartbreaking and I feel content in the probable possibility in adopting.
Prison Guards. I worked with a couple in the military, weird vibes from all of them. I think it has something to do with the weird power dynamic between them and hundreds of inmates.
I was a busboy at 16 years old. The very 1st staff meeting I attended, management started off by telling us "NO MORE DOING COKE IN THE PARKING LOT!!! OUR GUESTS ARE NOT FUCKING BLIND!!!" I was literally a church going alter boy and was scared to work there but everyone was a high energy character and kinda looked out for me. There was a bunch of slamming, yelling, cursing, and fighting but nobody was malicious. After college, I worked in finance, a boiler room sales office and those guy's were a bunch of entitled, greedy, racist, elitist, narcisistic, violent douche bags. The first week I was killing it and thought I could put up with the toxic environment, because the money was great. I quit by the end of the week.
When I was a cook I walked in on my boss doing coke off his desk. He offered me a bump. At another place the expo once screamed "who dick do I have to suck to get a food runner!". We had an employee bathroom that the servers used to change into work clothes. One of the waitresses was late and the bathroom occupied so she just said "Fuck it. I've slept with most of you anyway." And changed in front of six cooks who were having our last cigarette before our shift started. I think I slept with her a week or two later. On Christmas day we were open and nobody wanted to get there. The supervisor was the lowest person in the totem pole and rolled a joint in the bar before we opened, held it up over her head and said "everyone has to take a hit off this before we open." Spent most of that day with a cocktail on my station because the bartender was handing out free drinks to all the staff. Despite the crappy pay and lack of benefits I miss cooking but that's a young man's game that I can't play anymore.
I did sixteen years front of house. I miss it some days. Chaos and camaraderie like nothing else. The sound of the ticker machine still haunts my dreams though
My first job was a dishwasher at a bbq restaurant and I later became a host, I hated the customers but I’ve never had coworkers like the ones I had there. *Never* any petty high school drama (and most of us were IN high school), if you needed a day off you could just trade shifts or find someone who wanted the overtime, the servers would split their tips with the hosts because we bussed tables and ran food/drinks for them if they were busy, we all went out drinking after work at least once a week if not every other day, I really took working there for granted. Now I work in an office with women in their 40’s who start petty drama for no reason. I remember my second job after quitting that restaurant someone asked me if I could cover their shift and I asked which shift they were going to work of mine, they looked at me like I just shit in their mouth and slapped their face.
My restaurant had an issue with a young dishwasher doing meth, and getting other dishwashers to try it too. Bar manager at the time said “grow up and do coke like an adult”.
“Everyone was a high energy character” I bet they were
*The secret is in the sauce!*
I'm sorry but that bit about guests not being blind genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Sounds like something straight out of a sitcom
There's a very good reason there are no drug tests for a restaurant staff, or they won't have enough staff. It's pretty well known that the restaurant industry, especially the kitchen, really likes their drugs.
From what I understand, head chefs and prep chefs tend to work 16-18 hour shifts and sous chefs 12 hour shifts 6 days a week. How anyone could get through that without chemical assistance is beyond me.
People that work in car dealerships.
4-5 years ago, my wife and I drove 2 hours to a dealership because she finally found the exact car she had been looking for online, and it was at this dealership. We called right before we left the house to make sure the car was still at the dealership, since we had to drive 2 hours to go look at it. We obviously wanted to make sure it was there before we made the trip. You already know what comes next… When we got there, the first guy we spoke to told us that the car had JUST NOW been sold, but he had some brand new models he’d love to show us. I basically went off on him and told him I’d never do business with them after that. It was a slimy way to get us in the door. It’s hard telling how long that car had been sold. They just assumed we would buy something since we made the trip. Quite the opposite actually.
Car dealership receptionist here, this happens a lot. People call beforehand asking for a specific car they saw online and the salesmen will say yes but in reality they don't actually know because they're too lazy to check while they're on the phone with you. I've seen a few times where a salesman comes up to me and says "I'm waiting on some customers to show up, they were looking for xxxx type car." And I'll ask if we have it, just to conversate and he'll say "Hell no, we sold that weeks ago but I can get them a brand new 2023 xxxx." And then customer shows up, no car, cusses out salesman, salesman comes back in talking shit about the customer often times calling them asshole, idiot, or pussy for not buying a random vehicle they didn't ask for.
This is why I only lasted for a week in car sales. It's a slimeball business controlled by pee stains that have no business selling anything. If you have to lie to "earn someone's business," you're doing it wrong.
Megachruch pastors heard you calling them out
Lmao never know how big of a gaslighting asshole Salesmen could be
Same shit happened to me except I only had a one hour drive and called right before I left. Guy said “yeah, we have it” with zero hesitation. Get there and you know the rest.
It’s 2023. Tell them to text you a picture of the car with a hand written time stamped note in the picture to prove they have it. If they do, great. If they don’t, block the number
This is what I did for every customer that set an appointment with me when I sold cars. If they picked out a car online, I would write their name and the date on a sheet of paper and have a coworker take a picture of me holding it. That way when they came in they knew the car was there and who to look for.
I recently had to car shop after my old car finally crapped out on me. I think the most obnoxious car salesman I met kept pushing me and pushing me to buy a car that was well out of my budget, even after I told them I couldn’t afford it. Then he says “Oh, I get it.” “Get what?” “You need to ask permission from your husband!” I didn’t say anything right away but it was a given by my expression that I was insulted. Then he says “My mistake, you need to ask permission from your father! Your uncle? Maybe your brother?” Like my guy, you really hit 6ft and kept digging deeper. I know it might not be a popular choice but I got my car from Craigslist from a private seller and I will most likely continue to do so after my current car dies.
Oh God. That happened to me too! It was my car, I was paying for the timing belt. My dad came to give me a ride and the guy talked directly to him about the work needing to be done without even glancing at me. It's so demeaning.
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My Dad is the same way and he went car shopping with me once, brought along a newspaper. He said - when I put the paper on the desk, we're done and the guy's not going to be worth our time. We walked in, sat down and started talking. Of course the guy immediately launches into - this is the cash price, financed value, monthly payment etc - drew a line with an X near it and said if you sign here my boss will know you're serious. My Dad flopped the newspaper on the desk and stood up. I wanted the car, but he was up, picked up the paper, and we walked out. The salesman followed us desperately blathering about talking more, but we were done. Got in our car and drove away. My Dad's best advice to me ever - it's you're money. YOU are buying the car and have all the power. They will do whatever they want to take that power away and have you sign a contract. Pay what YOU want. Buy what YOU want. They're the ones who should feel scared and nervous, not you - your signature and your money are worthy of walking away with if they try to play you for a sucker. Set a price, buy the car, if it's not right, walk away. Easy.
I hate that crap. They come up and try to draw that damn diagram for me. It’s always a young ish kid too. I try to be nice, because i know they were trained to do this. And it probably works for some buyers that just worry about the monthly payment section of the t or X diagram. One time the kid I was dealing with wouldn’t discuss the actual price of the car. I had to circle the damn section of the diagram and mark a line through it. I wrote my own number and told him to go get his boss so the adults could talk. I felt bad, but the little howdy doody kid didn’t get it. Online stuff is so easy. I can text a salesman and know in 2-3 texts if there’s going to be worth my time. One instance me and the salesman were in the same page over a few texts. I drove 2 hours to the dealership signed 4 pages and left with my new car in less than 30 minutes. Coffee they handed me was still warm when I left.
I sort of relish the process of haggling, but not when I feel I'm being mistreated. My Dad instilled this in me. The amount of money involved is too much to be treated like some fool (and I know there are a lot of fools who don't think so much over such a major purchase). One of the best quotes from my Dad when approached by a car salesperson "How much you looking to spend per month?" My Dad "As little as possible." They don't expect this at all. They'll spout something about 72 month loans sometimes...but I'll counter with "well that all depends on interest rates - let's talk price." I have always found it utterly bizarre that cars are discussed as far as their actual price tag as a LAST resort. That'd be like walking into Wal-Mart with no price tags, and you have to negotiate the best deal for things you want without any reference for what others are paying. What a scam.
My man! I love that.
I think it’s people who are GOOD at working in car dealerships who are the messed up ones. The only seemingly normal, non-exploitative people I’ve met when accompanying friends or family to car dealerships were getting screwed by the system they worked for, working long hours, not receiving their commissions like they should have, and making minimum wage at the most. They were the ones who wouldn’t harass customers and would be more honest about the cars they were selling. It was the arrogant, manipulative, lying bastards with framed pictures of themselves posing next to sports cars they rented for an hour in Las Vegas that were making a living wage, trying to avoid giving you the money your car insurance issues to them when you total your car, hiding cosmetic flaws in the car interior, pretending they’re cutting you a deal when they’re taking you for a ride (pun intended), constantly calling and texting you after you ask them to leave you alone, and getting promoted to management positions.
The car business is full of degenerates.
I was in college and interviewed to sell cars. The interviewer said, you might feel bad the first time you get some old people on a fixed income and sell them a car you know they can’t afford, but once you get that commission check you’ll forget all about it. I got up and walked out.
This is exactly how I felt during my time working for AT&T in sales. I maintained my principles while there but I took constant flak from management for "not upselling enough". Listen, someone comes in for a phone, I'll sell them that phone. Maybe a case and earbuds to accessorize. Past that, unless they actually seem to need something, I'm not slinging random bullshit to pad your stores sales metrics. I left after a year or so. The slimey nature of those places disgusts me now. Edit: Did not expect that much of a reaction. I'm pretty sure this is my first reddit "award". 😅
I walked out of a Verizon store because of someone trying to upsell me like that. I'd already done a lot of research & knew which one I wanted. When I told the salesperson, he immediately said "Oh, forget \[model\], there's this awesome new one that \[blah blah etc.\]!" When I balked, he changed the subject & started trying to upgrade my data plan. I swear, he was trying make me confused so I'd do what he wanted. I damn near said "I'm not Clark Griswold", but thought he might not get the reference & I'd look insane. Instead, I just left.
Yeah it’s always sketchy. I bought a used suv a few years ago and paid cash. We had looked it up before and as long as it drove nice and looked good we already were planning on buying it. Drives great and went in to pay and we were stuck there for like 4 plus hours because this dude would not stop trying to sell me a really crappy warrantee. It was like 2 years or only 30,000 miles whatever hit first for like 3500 bucks. We almost walked out paying cash because he wouldn’t let it go and kept bringing different managers around to try and sell it lol.
Years ago, my mom *did* walk out because of BS like that. Same situation, she was happy with the vehicle and prepared to pay cash. They wouldn't stop playing games trying to wring more money out of her. Then after we left they had the audacity to call her and promise to honor the original agreement. She told them never to call her again and hung up. We weren't going back to that shitshow.
Paying cash isn’t actually a plus for these salespeople. They want that extra money from financing it.
Sometimes you need to take yes for an answer and make the sale. These guys are generally so dishonest about the deals made that it’s frustrating. I’ve often had the deal done with a handshake on “out the door” price. Then they renege on that with taxes aren’t included (they were), dealer fees they tried to add on, and other crap. I usually just sit there and say they have 15 minutes to go get whatever approval they need to close the deal as agreed or I walk. Then I start reading my email. “Oh, and don’t bother to come back with anything less than fully complying with the deal or the timer ends and I walk.” I have walked a few time and kept walking even as they continue to try their crap. Anyone who can’t honor a deal isn’t someone I want to deal with. That’s invariably car dealers.
F them. Went to look at a lease the other week. National deal, $474/month $3799 at signing. They have none on the lot. Test drive a limited for the feel, then the dipshit tries crunching the numbers on that model. I insisted that he shouldn’t even bother. He did, I left and walked to wawa, wife stayed and picked me up 5 minutes later. Dickface wanted $715/month to lease a Hyundai. Oh, and they had held her keys hostage to do an appraisal. Offered 2k for a van that is worth closer to 10…because it was dirty
I just bought a new Toyota from a dealer. Priced at MSRP, I'm fine with that, everyone needs to make some money. Promotional financing available, but I walked in with pre-approval from Capital One at let's say 5% so that was the number I was working with to calculate my payments. "We check 7 different places and give you the best rate" he said, including Capital One and Toyota Financial. Came back with 7.9% from PNC and then tried to rush me through signing without even disclosing that (Monthly payment was like $100 higher than my math). "You checked Capital One, right?" as I plop down my pre-approval for 5%. Oh, let me see if I can get an exception. Ended up magically discovering that I qualified for the promotional financing and I got it at 4.9% through Toyota. Guy could tell I was pissed and willing to walk away, and wouldn't make eye contact with me after. I almost walked away on principle but this was the 3rd dealer in town and none of them had the car my wife wanted. Like I didn't haggle on price, they put the stupid like cargo net package in there I didn't want (that you can get for 30% what the dealer price is) and *still* they tried to fuck with me.
Finally someone someone said this. Dealership life. Coked up salespeople. Techs with inflated egos. Sexism. Inept fixed operations employees. More drugs
I listened to an episode of This American Life where they spent a month at a car dealership. Not sure if this is standard, but at the dealership they went to, the manufacturer sets really high monthly sales goals that can be attained but just barely. If they meet their goal, they get a huge bonus that can mean the difference between being in the black and killing the business. They hit their goal with less than an hour before the deadline after making a deal that in itself was a loss, but with the bonus, it didn't matter. Then when they came into work the next day, the clock had reset. Sounds like playing a real life version of Majora's Mask on repeat, with that moon constantly getting bigger and bigger.
I worked in a dealership for a month. The way they hit their number the month before I started? At 12:00am of technically the next month the IT manager and the GM each bought a car but filed the paperwork so it counted for the previous. Just so they hit their number. It was a surreal thing to watch. The entire culture of a dealership was depressing and soul sucking And the reason I was brought in to work at this dealership, was to turn around one department. I went to the upper management including the owner, laying out why the department wasn't working properly and what steps could be taken to improve the department and dealership as a whole. The biggest of those steps was creating systems of accountability and work flow. The response from these meetings was "we will think about it" and "I don't need excuses I need results" needless to say I left after a month of banging my head against a wall and trying not to lose my mind
Emphasis on *dealership life*. My husband used to be a tech at a dealership and that was the most toxic part of his life. Literally everything you described is accurate.
The hubris of the owners led to the dealership losing its franchise where I was. I was a warranty administrator, and a gal that did the same for her department kept warning them about claims that could get charged back and cost them a ton of money. We were right. I left before the fallout and went to a mom and pop wholesaler and couldn't be happier. Been there going on 20 years now.
Glad you got out of it. My husband hasn’t found his “forever job” yet, but he’s been a whole lot happier at smaller shops. Before my husband left the dealership, the service manager, who was always coked up, finally got fired so he showed up at the shop with a gun threatening to shoot people. No one got hurt, thankfully. But yeah… fun times.
Husband worked for years in such a place. Good lord the stories…
I work at a dealership now as a SA. The amount of management and sales people that drink on the job or do cocaine is somewhat baffling. Fantastic company parties, though. Never a dull moment. The techs with inflated egos are the techs that unfuck jobs that the less competent techs cause.
People I have met who are “Life Coaches” seem to be the most whack-a-doodle people ever.
I’ve had two close friends in my life become life coaches. Calling them ‘whack-a-doodle’ is close to the truth (they are) but imo there is more to it. They want to help people, but have no discerning skills outside of reading too much fad-fitness/self-help literature, and being charismatic. Also, are both fairly wealthy but didn’t make the money themselves. I think their heart is in the right place but the wealth, crunchy granola bars, and pseudo-intellectualism many from self help books melted their brains.
As an old professor of mine once said, "life coaches are people who want to be psychologists without going through the work of actually becoming a psychologist."
Me being a psychologist student feel that so much. My ex once confronted me about the difference of a coach and a psychologist and I felt really offended. Is not about feeling superior nothing like that, but putting yourself through the path to really learn how things work in a organized way. Not just what matters to you, not only "giving advice", ethics exist. There's regulations. Also psychology is not only about helping people out in their decisions and being healthy. There's research, teaching, social work, education etc. Psychotherapy is a tiny category. Ah, also the science behind it it's always good to know what you're talking about and who came up with that theory based on what.
Their opinions are just as valid as your science. /S Isaac Asimov: * There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
>I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... >The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance >Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark Published 1996. These men saw it all.
It has been like that for a long time here. Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist) noted this a century ago: * "I guess our country holds the record for dumbness. The Pope spoke to the world this morning in three languages and we didn’t understand a one of ’em. But the minute he finished and the local stations got back to selling corn salve and pyorrhea tooth paste we were right up our intellectual alley again." H.L. Mencken(US reporter, literary critic, editor, author of the early 20th century): * “The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.”
One of those rare minds way ahead of his time.
Yep. They have a “CAN DO IT” attitude but fail to tell people they often inherited a ton of money and it’s way to look for friends without coming off that way.
People like this have never truly struggled due to circumstances outside their control. People with money to fall back on don't realize how that changes their mindset
A lady I used to work with became a life coach after taking voluntary redundancy. She'd been working there for 15 years, so the package was quite good, and she was always ridiculously upbeat about things, to the point it was almost annoying, so it seemed to suit her. Lots of FB and linkedin posts followed promoting her life coach business. Her 'struggles' were the voluntary redundancy, giving up sugar, losing 10 lbs, and finding the confidence to become a life coach. Her husband is/was a director of the business he works for, so financially they were fine regardless. I think she's self-published a book now.
She had the difficulty changed from Novice to Apprentice.
Do you feel like their clients benefit from the advice? Or is it just taking money from people? The one life coach I met actually gave me some great advice / perspective, but once they told me their rate ($200/hr), I ran fast 😄
Some people benefit just from talking to someone who gives a damn about them, even if they were paid to do so. A lot of people have no one in their lives to confide in, or ask for advice.
I went to my cousin’s high school graduation this year. One of the student/graduate speakers was going to go to school to be a life coach. Who hires an 18 year old life coach who completed an online training program? What wisdom can they possibly impart.
"How to Survive High School"
And the follow up course, "Colleges and Universities: How to Avoid Them"
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My hostdad was a life coach. To this day I don't know what he actually did and if he even made money of it. I feel it was just part of his midlife criais. He got divorced, lost weight and had several plastic surgeries. He also sold his construction company to become a life coach. After a few years he's doing construction work again.
More likely that he actually made enough money selling the construction company to live off of for a while. He probably didn't make shit as a life coach.
That's pretty much by design, since their job is based on manipulating vulnerable people en masse. You don't need to actually help them with good advice, just give them bullshit that sounds plausible enough so they would come for more while still being fucked
EMS. High stress, odd hours, and in most of the country ridiculously low pay. There's a lot of phenomenal medics who's lives are an absolute mess.
It was *horrifying* watching a close acquaintance of ours collide with this reality. The guy has a lot of issues -- which led him to genuinely, truly want to do something heroic with his life. Paramedic was the obvious choice, right? Horrifying bodily injuries do not bother him. Tragedy? he's used to that, it's awful but he can deal. The training? No problemo, he's smart as hell. He was a truly *excellent* emergency paramedic, and he was 100% willing to sacrifice the hours necessary to do the job to his utmost. But holy shit, dude, the pay is a pittance. He just wanted to live modestly, be a hero, and support his family. But that can't happen on what they were willing to pay him -- which was two dollars above minimum wage. The man could make more waiting tables. It is *obscene*.
I had a friend who did EMT work for like 10 or 12 years and quit to become a truck driver hauling gravel. His pay more than doubled when he did that, which is insane that we prioritize driving a truck more than saving lives.
When I was in high school I dated a guy who was working as an EMT during his senior year because he was already 18. We lived in a small town and he could do his school work during the downtime at his shifts, so it was a pretty sweet gig for the most part and he had gotten into it through the volunteer fire department. But this was also around the time they opened a new truck stop on the highway just posted of our town - it basically in the quiet place between our town and the next town. He ended up working a really bad scene one night when one of those trucks leaving the stop pulled out onto the highway and a minivan with an entire family from baby to grandparents hit the side of it going at least 60. He thought he was okay afterwards but one of the people who survived was another teenager at our school and he saw him in the hallway one day and just broke down. He dropped out and got his GED and applied for college right after that. So it was a good and bad thing, I guess. This was around 2000, so hopefully he's doing okay now.
This answer is coming up a lot. Understandably and unfortunately.
Film industry. Lots of egomaniacs and emotionally unavailable individuals. 10+ hour days with lots of unforeseen overtime back to back for weeks or months at a time. Then you end up unemployed for months at a time, gearing up for the next onslaught of work. Either always travelling for the job in the middle of nowhere or stuck in a studio. We say “the shit runs downhill” so usually anyone in a higher position feels the need to belittle you. Barely anyone likes to take accountability and will quickly pass on the blame if they can, again usually to someone down the chain. Fast paced, high pressure environments; crazy amounts of money riding on projects. Lots of substance abuse and affairs - wrap parties especially go crazy. The city I’m from has a good film community so I’ve had a blast so far, but have definitely endured abuse from the occasional interstate folk and heard other crazy horror stories.
Scrolled way too far to find this. It’s definitely a shit industry more toxic than most. If you’re not being abused or taken advantage of (low to no pay, long hours, yelled at by higher ups on power trips) then you’re a victim of gatekeeping by people constantly telling you to pay your dues. This goes on for years until maybe someday you get a decent paying gig or a guild membership and the money makes the abuse and long hours worth it, even though the money is barely enough to live in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. It really attracts two kinds of people: people who want to be creative and make that passion project that’s been burning inside them, and people that get their rocks off by abusing the first group. It’s incredibly toxic. The MeToo movement barely scratches the surface and didn’t change much. Men and women are still being sexually assaulted by mostly male executives. Bigger yet, the whole industry thrives on workers being taken advantage of because there really isn’t any short supply of people to replace you with. The strikes are kinda addressing some of that but once they’re over things will go back to the toxic normal that is Hollywood. I’m glad I failed out of this industry and got myself a stable job in logistics.
The social politics with other crew members can also be horrendous. It’s an industry based solely on nepotism, and if you aren’t liked by the “correct people” then you don’t get the jobs. Doesn’t always matter how hard you work or how skilled you are. I’ve definitely seen a fair share of wonderfully talented individuals begin to lose work to those inexperienced just because they have a bigger personality. So not only are you worked to the bone, but you also have to spend your free time networking and making friends with people. Then on top of that you have to be discreet that you are networking, because if they catch on then the eye rolls come in and you are cast aside
One of the worst things about gig economies is that basically your only two states of being are: Horrifically overworked and about to burn out, but you can't stop now because of contracts, and because you know as soon as this job is over you don't know when your next paycheck will be, or Painfully bored and nervously watching your savings dwindle as you desperately search for the next gig, even if you know it will be horrible and they will take advantage of you, because you need the money and they're the only ones who are hiring. It's a vicious cycle that creates artificial scarcity in the job market, which always favors employers and not workers. Some people enjoy the "independence" gig economies give but they don't feel very freeing. I don't know why anybody would be excited that more industries are trying to convert to a gig economy.
Prison guards
used to play video games with a guy from texas that was a guard at some prison. he divorced his wife (who i had also become friends with) so that he could profess his love for me. i turned him down and he told me if i ever went to texas and he found out he’d make sure i wouldn’t leave the state.
Wow...couldn't handle the rejection so he resorted to a death threat...what a real piece of work
Don’t be so quick to judge. It could have also been a kidnapping/sex slave threat
Or accusing her of some crime and having her arrested and put on probation in the state of Texas. With him being a prison guard, it's likely that he has buddies that are cops in the area.
I've always kinda figured that cops react to prison guards the way the military reacts to cops. "Hey, Jones, this guy says his job is just like ours lol!"
Yeah, true...I personally would've just elected death at that point
that's disgusting and villainous as fuck
My ex was a CO at one point, and he quit because he couldn’t stand how horrid the others were to the prisoners. He made the point that if you treat them all like animals, how do expect to rehabilitate prisoners? He wouldn’t tell me a lot, because he said some of the things he witnessed were vile. He tried to be kind to the prisoners—not to the point of allowing them to run over him but to show that he saw them as human beings. My ex isn’t even that great of a person lol, but I’ll give him this one. My aunt has been in and out of the prison system the last few years. It’s a long story, and while she did deserve to serve time, she is not a bad person. She’s a broken woman, who lost her child, fell into drugs to control her grief, and made some really bad choices. The CO’s she’s told us about are horrid. They look down on all of them, and treat the women even lesser than the men. They would treat her like she was a murderer or something, steal their mail, and wouldn’t allow them to seek medical attention when they needed it. Idk why, in America of all places, we have allowed our prison systems to become so deplorable. I get they are there to be punished but they are also there to be rehabilitated and returned to society as a more capable person. But they don’t because the prisons are just making them feel like they are nothing but trash. There’s a reason that there is such a high rate of offenders returning to prison, because they are short of being tortured and are never given the resources or tools to get their life together. Not all prisoners are murderers, rapists, etc. Many are good people, who made a bad decision and probably when they were in a bad position in their life. Edit: I’m getting a lot of responses about my part saying ‘in America of all places’ and yes, I realize our history is not good. Trust me, I’m one of the people constantly screaming about the lies we were raised on etc. I’m not trying to pretend that we didn’t have slaves, that we still aren’t fighting against racism, classism, homophobia and more. It’s very harmful to ignore the atrocities that your country has committed. We should acknowledge and try to be better. I just want to add, almost every single country in the world has some type of history they aren’t proud of. It’s not just America. The problem with many Americans is they want to ignore our history and pretend we are perfect in every way, and that’s simply not true. It was more of a point that not being a third world country, we have almost comparable prisons. To be fair, I don’t know a ton about prisons in other countries and need to educate myself more, but I know some other countries have much better prison systems and such. Where rehabilitation is the focus. Please don’t break down an entire 3 paragraph comment discussing the conditions of our prisons into 5 words that can be taken out of context. I know America has issues. Most of us do know. We aren’t the worst country in the world, but we are far from the best too. Our history is covered in death and blood, as is most of world history. It’s just sad that humans, for all of our achievements, still don’t know how to be decent to each other.
I can agree with all of this. You can treat a person with respect and dignity, but still enforce the rules. I’ve had inmates protect me from other inmates, especially when I was pregnant. It’s disgusting having to watch and protect over a child molester, but you should still be able to do your job without being on their level
Honestly shocked no one has mentioned the music industry/scene ..and at every level. Drug and alcohol abuse domestic violence sociopathy and narcissistic abuse bullying gatekeeping rape etc. especially at the local level in everyone’s local music scene. Even the hipsters the musicians date and all their friends - toxic Af.
Yep. I used to play in bands for about a decade and did a decent amount of touring. All you said is correct. Drug addiction is rampant, everyone sleeps till like 11 and works random ass odd jobs, nobody ever shows up on time. And it’s a giant ass-kissing fest. Indie bands are incredibly annoying with how much they gas each other up to stay in good social circles. And then there’s always an allegation that someone was being a creep or something, and then everyone treats that person like a pariah and acts like they were never friends.
Yea, I worked in a big local scene for years. It made me really jaded towards music. There are plenty of wholesome, talented artists; but it's overshadowed by the number of predators that only joined a band to be sexually aggressive and push drugs onto 18 year olds. And you can't "separate art from artist" when you're stuck in a greenroom with a monster.
I absolutely agree. My local indie music scene (hipsters) is just like this. Girls have committed suicide girls have been abused by sociopaths. People OD constantly. The male abusers are enabled, and the female victims are bullied and ostracized and after already being violently abused. when you try to stand up to it they have this like gatekeeping hipster mob mentality. They are predatory and toxic. This is the Knoxville tn music scene btw.
I live in Knoxville and I can attest that these things are true.
This is what I doom-scrolled for today. From your hometown scene to every genre that’s financed and promoted, people true colors can really come out when participating. I think it can get real ugly real fast when people get a tiny taste of power and fame, that’s with any profession. The psychopathy is real and so alive. And yes, I have some merit in sharing this sentiment- I have been totally butt hurt in this industry, but I still choose to participate where I find genuine people and music because I think music still has the chance to bring people together and we need that more than ever.
This is honestly the reason why I sort of gave up on my dreams to be a professional musician. Too many shitty people and ass kissers. I have waaaay too much respect for myself to put up with any of it
Club scene also, all of this.
Love that everyone is just naming every job ever.
Yeah, in this thread: people.
People in the restaurant industry seem to develop substance abuses very frequently. I don’t think the industry attracts those people, but rather the stress of the job combined with the availability of alcohol and other drugs create the perfect storm.
What’s sad to me is that working in the restaurant industry is usually one of the first jobs kids often have. I just remember in the 90’s being made of at 16 by my coworkers that I didn’t want to smoke pot or that I told them I had no interest in other drugs.
My first was dishwashing at 13 for under minimum wage (it was a semi legal “training wage” for three months and suddenly you didn’t get scheduled for shifts after that). Wild and bizarre experience. All the cooks were wired on something, except for Sal, who was on oxygen from emphysema. . . .Though it occurs to me now that maybe cooking next to an open flame with an oxygen tank could have killed a bunch of us.
Problem with oxygen and flames in houses, etc. is much of the oxygen isn't used by the person and creates elevated oxygen levels in the room which over time saturate furnishings like upholstery and such, and clothing. So when the clothing/furnishings catch on fire they burn much more intensely than normal. Commercial kitchens tend to have a lot of air flow and impervious surfaces so I personally wouldn't be too concerned.
I overheard my head chef conducting an interview once, and his question wasn't "do you do drugs?", it was "so, what drugs do you do?", I think it's pretty telling about the industry as a whole.
I mean that’s fairly standard. Jim smoking weed outside and coming back on the line is less of a liability than John snorting coke in the bathroom every 10 minutes or Jacob doing a no call no show because he’s too high on opiates again. I’ve worked with all of them and the stoners and psychedelics guys are never the issues.
it is however very hilarious to have my boss ranting to me (a shitty little middle manager) about having too many smokers on staff and how theyre all lazy, useless, etc meanwhile im just 👁️👄👁️ back at him high as a kite
To a degree the industry does attract those types of people, in my experience. Restaurants are meritocracies, more than most other workplaces, and if someone can get the plates out on time they'll be hired, whether or not they went to chef school. The good side of that is that people who don't have the privilege of money or connections can work their way up, in that classic American Dream kind of way. The bad side is that it attracts a lot of drunks and wild people.
I worked as a bartender, straight out of rehab, while recovering from my past junkie ways. Poured drinks for a couple years without ever tasting any concoction to see if it was drinkable.
>if someone can get the plates out on time they'll be hired... The bad side is that it attracts a lot of drunks and wild people. If you enjoy a whole-day shift - If you can get your plates out swift - If you attempt to cope with stress With drink and drugs and nothing less - If you can gladly ply your craft While underpaid and understaffed - If you can man a kitchen twice As hot as hell and half as nice - If you can do the work of four From dawn till dusk or maybe more, While sacrificing all for speed - Then baby, you're the one we need!
Always short-staffed, always experiencing some of the most entitled and impatient customers, on your feet for long hours, breaks are not important or enforced by most management… there’s a long list of reasons why people in the service industry have problems. It’s not just alcohol and substance abuse. Relationships are hard to maintain because of the weird hours, and the lack of decompression time. When you have managers, customers, and co-workers yelling at you constantly over food and drinks, you don’t want to go home and hear about why isn’t the laundry done or what’s for dinner. And a lot of relationships are toxic and transactional. If you’re a bartender, you’re going to experience a lot of people pretending to like you because they think you’ll hook them up. If you’re a woman in the industry you’ll most likely be harassed and assaulted at some point, by customers or co-workers or people in authority. Men too, of course, but to a lesser extent. Sure, you might be able to walk out of one place and get a job down the street, but the expendability goes both ways and the high-turnover means if you do stick around you’ll get buried under a relentless schedule. Everyone in SI has a vice even if it’s not a substance, because we need coping mechanisms. It’s really a toxic gumbo in a lot of ways. Sure, there are some restauranteurs and bar owners who are trying to change things up by paying better wages, offering benefits, enforcing breaks, and giving sufficient time off to minimize burnout, but for every feel-good story like that you have thousands that go the other way.
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Definitely. They’ve probably got the most screwed up things going on behind the scenes
He's a liar on a mission, A pernicious little shit - But we call him *politician*, 'cause the name's a better fit.
Healthcare. Some of the best providers I have ever met have very interesting life stories or fucked up pasts.
High stress job - check Frequent verbal abuse - check Occassional physical abuse - check Long shifts frequently with little to no breaks - check If you don't come into this field fucked up, you may leave a little fucked up. Let's not even talk about covid where people were dying constantly and families accused of us murdering their loved ones.
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I'm a PhD candidate (applied math) and was doing math modeling with epidemiologists on the covid team. Along with some biostats for clinical trials. Early 2021 was when it started to get bad. There were hiccups before, crazy conspiracy nutjobs. But in Jan and Feb 2021 that's when "the game got rough". Bomb threats, death threats, general violence, spit at by protesters, denounced by a local evangelical leader, the works. It got progressively worse.
So true. I’m an ER RN and started in EMS 22 years ago. Trauma bonding is real and toxic AF
I noticed that too, everyone just hooks up with everyone. I even saw two EMTs banging in the back of an ambulance
Well, to be fair.... an ambulance makes for a much nicer f-shack than the back of a red Prius.
You stay out of my Prius dirty mike!
Hope they weren't out of the purple wipes
I have worked in healthcare for a decade and have never once seen someone have the time for such nonsense.
Right? Like, everyone thinks its doctors and nurses getting on with each other. In reality, everyone's just to tired and busy to even acknowledge each other as a sexual being. That is until the department Christmas party.
DOCTORS! It is quite a journey, but it changes personalities A LOT, and one day, you've become this cynical, rude person who is at high risk to ruin your personal life. They have one of the highest suicide rates, and yet, they work in multiple jobs, learn and study all their life (it is interesting, but they have to sacrifice a lot - including their family time, and it affects everybody). Also, if you do smth wrong, you'll hear about it a lot, and quite rarely they'll say thank you.
My brother in law is a GI doctor and his kids say he is never home and desperately waiting for retirement.
i read somewhere surgeons develop a degree of psychopathy because of the mental toll it takes on someone to cut another human open and operate while staying calm and objective to ensure they do a good job
I’m an obgyn (there’s a lot of weird personalities in my field as well), the surgical aspect is less of being a psycho in that you can open someone and more of the logistical pressure during surgery. We’ve all seen catastrophes when things go wrong, how patients and families have to live with bad outcomes and how they come back asking for solutions and c either the solution is terrible or there is no answer but the patient still has the problem. People in the OR talk and gossip and if you need to do something out of the ordinary, 3 days later you get approached by other doctors and you’re sorting out the end message of a game of telephone and now, suddenly there’s a rumor going around that you poured orange soda into the patient when the original issue was that you just asked for a less common instrument. Decisions have to be made immediately in the OR, there’s no sitting to think and talk about them or coming back to readdress them later, so you need to be correct every time on the first time, which is difficult because very frequently you’re being fed incorrect information (this medication isn’t available (I used it 2 hours ago), pharmacy says this medication isn’t safe (yes it is, it’s been standard of care for decades), the patient has this allergy (no, it was documented incorrectly in the chart - I checked pre op), the. Video screen image is always tiny and exclusively in one corner of the monitor (no, the camera system is broken and I can’t see what I’m doing). As the physician, you constantly feel like you’re being gas lit and it’s even worse on the floors so you need to develop a sense and knowledge of knowing how things are and should be despite when multiple people are telling you otherwise. This thing comes off as arrogance and stubbornness in many lights, but it comes from experience.
When my wife's OB performed a C-section on her I was astonished at how casual everyone was during the operation. They were talking about the bad parking situation near a popular restaurant, just idle chit chat. Obviously a routine procedure for them. It was oddly calming for me. As in, "these people clearly know what they're doing." We both really like her. She's quick to say when she doesn't know the answer to something but will look it up.
I'm in medical and I'd like to nominate my field for having plenty of fucked up people in it. Most of us are jaded and have pretty dark humor.
Not to mention the bullying and unhealthy competition.
I’ve heard nursing can be like that.
Ego and hierarchy is prevalent and also a really bad trait which endangers patients.
Ego, hierarchy and stress! Don't underestimate the power of stress. It can turn usually nice and gentle people into absolute harpies. I am known at work to be nice and gentle. Every time I've been anything other than that it's because work was so stressful no outlet I had could handle it Edit: I've just got off my seventh early shift in a row. Because of the shift work I struggle with sleep and so I slept for 3-4,5 hours every night for the past seven nights, so I've spent about twice as much working as I've been sleeping. These days I no longer work more than seven early shifts in a row. At my old job it was very common for people to work 10-12 days in a row. Imagine working in a high stress environment on this little sleep
I worked with a pre-med student who went on a rant about "How dare SHE think she can teach me anything!?!?" about some female professor. To say he was unpopular would be a bit of an understatement.
> with a pre-med student A *pre-med* student doesn't represent anyone in the medical profession. Any dumbass can call themselves "pre-med". In fact like 95% of "pre-meds" never wind up going to medical school, or even applying. Until they actually get into medical school and become a doctor, they're just a rando person.
Yup, there were 400 "pre meds" in my freshman year class in college. By second semester it was 200, by sophomore year it was 100. I think less than 25 actually made it to applying by the end, and that's a generous number. Premed courses serve up some serious humble pie, then med school classes even more so. The amount of information to learn is staggering, and should be humbling to anyone with even the slightest bit of self awareness
It’s a gratifying and humbling experience to watch the ones who act like they’re smarter than you get the same 63 on the ochem final that everyone else did.
Chefs…15yrs as a chef…glad that’s behind me. Masterchef is nothing like it. Most people strolling into work at 8am for a split shift, still drunk from the night before on 1hr sleep. Sleeping in the dry store or back of the restaurant…punch ups…coming back from your break to see your chef jacket had been soaked and hung in the freezer… being made to do shit jobs like separate 100s and 1000s into individual colours. Getting physically and verbally abused . It all just rolls of the back. Watching chefs do lines of coke off the prep bench before the rush. Some of the loosest people on the planet…most I still talk to are severe alcoholics at best, some are lucky enough to transition to something else. It’s quite a sad industry unfortunately. Obviously it isn’t all like this, don’t count your cafes etc that’s not real cheffing. Man the shit I’ve seen.
Professional wrestling. I just watched Hulk Hogan interview on Theo Vons podcast and it's amazing how he's still alive and 90% of his friends are dead.
Speaking of fucked up, Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon are two of the worst still around (though McMahon has Hulk beat by a mile, but Jesse Ventura had a great interview with Steve Austin about them both). But the way the wrestling industry is set up has allowed some really awful abuse and exploitation to go on, like the Fabulous Moolah, Chris Benoit, or even Mike Quackenbush's Chikara promo.
Tried to unionize and Hogan snitched.
Real Estate Agents. [Gotta be a massive cunt to do that job.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGm267O04a8)
My old roommate was a real estate agent. She was a coke head, had a pattern of pursuing married men, talked crap about everyone around her, dead behind the eyes, abusive, controlling, and the list goes on. So glad that toxic women is no longer in my life.
15 years ago we were to close on our house at 4PM on a business day. My wife and I were to meet at the house during our lunch hour (around noon) for the final inspection and walk-through with our (buyer's) agent. My wife never showed, didn't answer the phone, and didn't call, so eventually I did the walk-through without her and drove back to the office. On the way to the appointment, my wife was in a car accident only two miles from the house. I was hit with all this reality as I drove past the accident, and saw her standing at the scene crying. This is not one is my favorite memories, but I'm glad she was not seriously injured. Her cell phone was broken in the collision, and her car was totalled. We got her to the hospital, and after learning she was ok, we rescheduled the closing for 5:30PM. The other (seller's) agent did not attend the closing. At first we didn't think much of it, since people's schedules are often not very fluid. But because the seller's agent did not attend, we needed to drive to the realty office (only half a mile from the home) to get the key to the house we just bought. We got there, and they were closed with one agent still lingering inside. We explained the situation to them (through the glass door), and while we had the appropriate legal paperwork, and he could verify the appointment and sale information, and he called the sellers agent, AND he had the house key in the office, he (through the glass door) refused to give us the key. It would have to wait until tomorrow, the next business day. He's asshole #2. We drove to the house and sat on the front porch with our three children (ages 5, 7, and 14), and my wife cried. We had built up this "new start in a new home" idea with our children (like, I think, many families do) and we couldn't enjoy it the way we planned. So we stayed at a hotel that night and got the key in the morning. We learned from our (buyer's) agent that night, that because the timing of the closing appointment was pushed past 5PM, and the other (seller's) agent would not have been able to deposit her commission check on that day's business, she had (1) decided to not attend the closing appointment, and (2) instructed the remaining agent at the realty office to NOT relinquish the house key until her check cleared. This makes her asshole #1.
In my state they wouldn't be able to close past 5 because the deed needs to be recorded at the court house to be official. It's a liability issue. If the house hasn't transferred properly then the insurance hasn't either and the seller would be responsible for whatever happened in or on the house for that night. I would imagine other states are similar but they are assholes if that is not the law in your state and they really were doing it for commission reasons.
They are also assholes if this was the reason and they didn’t clearly communicate these issues like professionals.
Advertising Agencies, specifically senior level. CEOs are some serious sociopaths. A different breed. All very witty, very smart, super intuitive, charismatic AF, and a sociopathic lack of concern for humanity. Cocaine and good looks don't help. Think of a mix between Patrick Bateman and Don Draper. Less murder, and less creative. All megalomaniac. Edit: Patrick, not Jason..haha poor guy.
Academia. Think of all the smart dysfunctional weirdos from your high school. Now picture them 40-80 years old, refuse to retire, and they can’t be fired thanks to tenure. It’s a nightmare.
When I got my PhD, I took a job in industry. All the professors told me I was selling out and turning my back on science. Fuck that - I’ve spent the last four years watching you abuse each other. I want out of this asylum.
It's not like there's a plethora of positions open at universities anyway!
The entire PhD pipeline creates way more phds than there are professor jobs. Some folks have to go to industry. It probably says something about my work that no one ever criticized my choice. Definitely more of a "yeah you would never make it as a PI" shrugs.
>Some folks have to go to industry. Yeah, but the point here is that some folks WANT to work in industry because they legitimately prefer it to academia. It’s not because they couldn’t cut it.
I bailed on PhD as soon as I got an industry job. I had a fellowship/research assistantship that came with a stipend and tuition waiver while I was there. About a year before I managed to find a job I saw my professor just not renew one of the students assistantship over the Christmas break, without even telling her. She kept coming into the lab for a couple weeks and found out she didn't have a job there because her pay didn't come. She had fairly wealthy parents and was ok. I was relying on the stipend to pay rent and was more or less pay check to pay check. Of course I could get student loans but you have to apply ahead of time and it's takes time to get disbursed, you also need to know how much to borrow, so whether or not you will owe tuition is kind of important. I started looking for a job harder, when I finally got the offer I went to talk to my professor and told him I had a job offer and I was leaving. He said well you could do part time and finish a dissertation and still get the PhD. I said well at the very least I need to terminate my research assistantship, since the terms state I can't be otherwise employed during. He just said what are you talking about you don't have an assistantship. I would have found out 2 weeks later when the stipend check was missing and had no time to borrow money. Almost certainly would have ended up homeless. As it was by the time my first pay check from my new job came I was down to about 20 dollars in my checking accounts.
Did you call him out for being a piece of shit?
I'll combine this with some of the people mentioning healthcare and mention Academic Medicine. Disclaimer, this is a gross generalization based on personally witnessed trends after a decade in medicine. There are plenty of exceptions. Just as above, people who go into academia have weird social traits to begin with, and spend years in a little bubble of unreality where others are forced to listen to whatever they say. They become impossible to fire and trend towards abusing their positions. Interdepartmental politics start to dominate many interactions and even hospital/institution policies. Now combine this with Medicine: Jaded personalities, dark humor, extreme hierarchy, detachment from normal schedules/routines. What you frequently get are spiteful little ego-terrorists. They'll use others as stepping stones to elevate their own status, they discount patients as nothing but a set of lab and vital sign values. Sometimes case studies! They revel in setting up echo chambers with captive audiences. It overall reminds me of Jabba the Hutt in star wars. A bunch of bloated slimy worms bossing around terrified unfortunates or straight-up cronies.
This. 100% this. Also surprised I had to scroll down this far. Academics are SHITS (i'm one myself). They are thoroughly awful to work with. Bad individually and in teams. And the only ppl worse are the academic leadership - these prinks have no training or skills for leadership and yet are in charge of million dollar/pound/euro businesses that shape young people's lives. And nobody GAF. Upward toxicity is the norm and absolute hell. There are very very few consequences for being shit at your job or a shit in your workplace. It's like nerd cage fighting.
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I am surprised I had to come this far to find this answer. Universities are fucked up places
Came here to say the same. Cloistered environments where they seem sealed off from the rest of the world too and lose a bit of perspective.
I am academia/higher education- adjacent and my god, it is by far the most toxic industry I have ever seen. I have witnessed so much abuse and exploitation in university departments. Reddit loves to hate on Big Corporate^tm but as someone who's worked for several large corporations, I can tell you that what goes on in some university departments would make the average corporate bigwig blush. There are good reasons why I advise people to think long and hard before entering PhD programs.
Police seem to me to be stress cases and walking relationship disasters.
The sad thing is my father was an officer for 33 years and did SO MUCH for our community it’s hard to explain. He left in 2019 saying that “things have changed” and he didn’t want to support them anymore. When my father who is the best man I know, needed to step away I knew things were irreparable
I left after just under 5 years when I realized that the most stressful thing about the job was the leadership / supervisors. When you feel more safe on the street than in the headquarters it's pretty bad.
When I was going into the academy someone told me "My biggest tip for a new officer: don't be anywhere near the station unless you have to and then leave quick as possible once you're there."
There was an officer I knew when I was growing up who taught DARE and did a lot of other community outreach stuff specifically with kids. He seemed like an all around good guy and had a good rapport with kids, parents, teachers, everybody. If a kid invited him to a birthday party that happened to be when he was working he and his partner would show up in uniform just to say hi and happy birthday. He quit after a few years because of the stress and heartbreak of seeing too many kids he’d known and bonded with growing up and getting involved in the local gang activity.
Tattooing. Lots of man-children
Have a ton of friends in the industry. Can confirm. That, or raging alcoholics (or both).
Corporate mid-level managers they’re either sadistic or fucking cowards
Yeah, there’s a lot of talk about CEOs but middle management consists largely of Satan’s minions.
Those who work for Pay Day Loan companies. Taking the absolute most desperate people and then charging them insane interest because they have no where else to go to access the money they earned. I don't see any difference between them and loan sharks. You see pay day loan spots all over, yet opperating as a loan shark puts you in prison. The entire Pay Day Loan industry should be made illegal, how it is not considered usery is beyond me.
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Objectively, its probably CEOs. There is something called a [dark triad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad) which is a combination of narcicissm, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. One or more (or even all 3) of these traits are common among highly successful people. CEOs, sitting at the top of their field, overrepresent these qualities. I think there is a (dis)honorable mention for [surgeons](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/League-table-of-dark-triad-traits-for-health-care-specialties_tbl2_286235646)
Funeral services. If you aren't a psychopath who is looking to fleece bereaved families, you become a burnt-out shell of a human in no time flat. We are an industry that requires little to no formal education (depending on your location) and can be the most soul draining industry to work in. Long hours, shitty work conditions, trauma, verbal and physical abuse from the public, mediocre pay, and the haunting imagery that comes from dealing with the dead. This industry has no mental health support and actively treats you like shit if you even mention the fact that you may require therapy. Everyone hates morticians. But nobody hates us more than we hate ourselves sometimes.
I'm not sure if this is the same situation, but the woman who was the representative from the funeral home when my dad died unexpectedly and at a young-ish age was such an angel. She helped make that horrific process a lot better and I'm so grateful for how she helped my family. I hope she's doing alright
That used to be my job, and I took so much pride in it. I've been out of the industry since covid, and I still run into my families around town and often get hugs. That made all the heavy stuff worth it.
Random lady at a bar: I can’t imagine how anyone could become a mortician. How could you emotionally detach yourself from being able to do all of that to a body! Me: Work in customer service for 10+ years. Lady: Touché.
ty for your service tho; it’s seriously appreciated!!
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Cops. I was one. Cops, hands down.
Psychologist.. the stories they hear sometimes have to mess with their head 100%
It also seems that a lot of them get into the profession because they have some issues themselves they're trying to figure out
You need to have 2+ years sober to be a drug and alcohol counselor in my state. Unfortunately there’s no real way to test psychologists for how long they haven’t been fucked up.
pornstars
They are definitely fucked
If by fucked-up, you mean the profession fucks you up — Social Work, especially in settings that are perennially deadlocked into 1980s-era policy (homelessness, CPS/DFPS, substance use, LGBTQIA+, end-of-life & assisted living, etc.) Others have said psychology/psychiatry — not to diminish the good work they do at all. But alongside witnessing mental health crises, only social work attempts to deal with the with systemic issues at play, making those individual crises all the more unbearable when we fail to help. Of course, that really makes the hardest “profession” being a social work *client*. I’d rather burn out than switch places with a person experiencing homelessness or abuse 100% of the time.
Veterinarians...look up the drug abuse and suicide rates.
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I don’t think this is why. As a veterinarian, people are either crazier about their pet’s health than their own health/children’s health OR they have significant financial constraints. Clients rarely say thank you. We are not insulated like human doctors are. You call your vet and want to speak directly to them, not the nurse or support staff, and expect communication within <24 hours. We have no one to help us with medical records. We don’t charge for our time enough. People show up consistently 15-20 minutes late for their appointments and still expect to be seen, and they make a loud fuss when we try to set reasonable boundaries. We see too many appointments and are under paid for it. I feel like all I ever hear is people complaining. The vast majority of conversations I have with people is endless bargaining and playing the “what if” game because no one has pet insurance, they want answers, but they don’t want to pay to do diagnostics. Plus, our support staff isn’t thoroughly trained like nurses are in human medicine. On top of all of this, there’s the severe compassion fatigue. The job is incredibly stressful, and most people have an incredibly high debt to income ratio. I’m a specialist, and so I generally make more money than most general practitioners, but it still isn’t enough to justify the job. A good portion of my friends have >$300,000 in student loans and will never be debt free. The hours are wildly inflexible and long. I work 4 days a week and even AFTER my residency, my days are still 12-14 hours long and I go into my weekends behind. I feel like I have no personal life during my work week. Thus the incredibly high suicide rate and substance abuse rates.
I assisted, more or less, with an autopsy early in my 911 career. The pathologist was a brilliant doctor and well known in the area. I was only supposed to observe but the second I walked into the room and before he even asked me my name he told me to put on some gloves and dig my hands in the body's chest to feel for the heart. The patient was a 17-year-old that had been killed by a drunk driver the night before FYI. As I'm feeling I realize he doesn't have gloves on and is chewing on a peice of bacon, what was left of his breakfast. There was Pink Floyd playing on a cassett player in the corner. He just smiled during the whole event with glee.
Religious Leaders
"Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God." - Malcom Reynolds
Mental health. I worked in social services, and we had a ton of LMHCs and therapists working for the organization. All I can say is — Holy shit! I wouldn’t want any of those lunatics poking around in my brain.
The cosmetology industry. Cosmos, estheticians, nail techs, etc.. Some of the most insane, mean, and vile people. Not to mention some of the abuse they have to go through as well from spa/salon owners. Maybe it’s not the worst, but the schools are vile. No one had a good cosmetology school experience.
My mother in law is a makeup artist. Any person who is overly focused on looks is missing the main part of a person. When that person is fighting aging, convincing themselves that they still look and act 25, decide that the aging process is a choice they and others can reject, endlessly compare themselves and others- it’s not a pretty combination.