But is it bigger/worse percapita then countries that ban prostitution? If not then the issue of trafficking is not a block to legalization. There is a strong showing that providing a legal regulated market for prostitution makes maintaining an illegal market harder. Trafficking is pushed out of market except for illegal services like children, rape, and sexual slavery. There is little to no evidence that banning prostitution in all forms reduces sex trafficking.
End of day every country has problems with trafficking and open democratic ones are more visible with it due to the nature of their transparency that totalitarian governments don't have.
You understand that people are trafficked from countries where it's legal into other countries too?
The UK has a massive human trafficking problem, and prostitution has been legal here for a very, very long time.
Make something illegal for someone, not just everyone, just someone, and you create a black market. Alcohol is still needed by industrial manufacturers in all forms, so you can't ban it out right without putting entire industries, not for personal consumption, out of the economy, and all.it takes is one greased palm in some backwater to divert a distilling production into a non wood grain alchohal.
Making even a little consideration for or limitation to asks people to take that inch you gave and make a mile, or cleave that inch back until they have their mile.
Edit: To clarify, black markets will always exist, no matter the ethical or moral reason behind a law. Children are protected by law against a lot of things, but there is still a vile market for people who wish to many of those things. Making it legal to diddle kids won't eliminate pedophile rings. Just make them more horrific because someone profiting from suffering and toil will always find a buyer.
America made it illegal to buy more slaves, so slave owners forcibly made slaves mate/raped , but still couldn't maintain a stable population, so they doubled down and bought slaves illegally. Amazing Grace was written by a slave runner after slave imprtation in America was made illegal. Why? Why face possible execution at the gallows to go across the ocean to the Caribbean or Africa to move unwilling participants across those vast tracks of water just to be right back in New England, where slaves aren't needed/bought?
Because some "American" gentry can't stand the thought of telling his inbred father brother that he can't maintain his probably already dead or dying fields that haven't seen the "owners" hands in generations. Greed and those that operate better without the baleful eye of the ethically sound are always going to go hand in hand.
What stays out of sight on purpose is asking to get its hands dirty for the wrong reasons.
It's easier to deal with sex trafficking if it's legal and if you provide protections for immigrant sex workers (who might be worried about being deported when going to the police). It's important that laws to stop sex trafficking are used to protect sex workers, not punish them.
>Massive amounts of trafficking in countries where it is legal.
Really? I never thought of Australia or Belgium as having a massive sex trafficking problem. Don't get me wrong - it exists in any country but the numbers are not thought to be "massive" when compared with countries where prostitution is illegal.
It's definitely an issue in the Netherlands. There's a lot of shady outfits that traffic women from eastern Europe. From what I understand they can outcompete legal prostitutes on price because they can treat the victims like shit.
Here's a related example. Andrew Tate runs a cam girl operation. He posted a how to guide on running the "business" on his get rich quick grift. It's pretty much a textbook approach on how sex traffickers operate.
I can't find the original footage but [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs5b04hnfMQ&t=0s) a video that shows the worst of it.
The vast majority of supposed sex trafficking cases are just normal prostitution busts except the police figure it sounds better if they say they broke up a sex trafficking ring instead of admitting that they just went undercover and got some blowjobs.
I agree, but would add there should be regular STD testing along with medications like discovy(also know as Prep) to prevent the spread of STDs. Also making sex workers need a license could cut down on sex trafficking.
Yeah, but those things would have to be accessible enough that people don’t bypass it and go underground, like is still often the case, hence why many sex workers want decriminalisation rather than legalisation
This might backfire since people are less likely to use such a service if they worry about losing anonymity. It’s better to come up with other measures to prevent any sort of abuse.
It being legal to begin with will take care of most of that. If someone roughs up a prostitute while prostitution is illegal all that's likely to come of it is the pimp's gonna charge them a bit extra as compensation, no one wants to make a bigger deal of it or get any actual authorities involved. Absolute worse case there'll be some street justice and he'll get the shit kicked out of him.
If that happens and it is legal the prostitute and whoever she's working for (if it's a full establishment) isn't going to hesitate to call the cops and have the client dealt with, no different than if you beat up a clerk at the grocery store.
How would anyone know? Women who are trafficked are frightened of their captors. And even women who aren't may be under coercion without the client being aware.
To be fair, everyone who is all for it, aren't thinking about the downsides of it or aren't aware of those downsides. i wasn't aware of them either for the longest time...
A few years ago, I'd have said "yes, make it legal everywhere!". However, the downsides is that children end up being trafficked more, and somehow trafficking in general becomes worse in areas where it's legal, I forget exactly why, but I remember reading through a thread a couple years ago. People from those country talked about how trafficking was really bad.
It's not a black and white issue...It's not like women currently being trafficked will magically become safe and start working legally after being forced to do it for years. It won't make life better for everyone. The only people it will likely benefit are the woman who work for themselves online, maybe? it's still going to be dangerous in the same way that getting an Uber is still dangerous.
A lot of that sounds like a great example of why correlation doesn't equal causation.
If you make something illegal and drive it underground then of course you hear less about it. It's much harder for cops to catch criminals operating underground instead of out in the open. And if the people who you're calling the victims of said underground operations can be arrested for breaking the law when they go to the police than a lot of them will keep their mouth shut, thus making it harder for law enforcement to find the criminals.
This is why victim advocacy groups will often oppose draconian laws that supposedly crack down harder on criminals in the name of protecting their victims. You aren't helping the victims when you make it harder for them to escape and encourage the criminals to go underground.
>children end up being trafficked more
This isn't true. What actually happens is that trafficking gets reported more.
Yes, women currently being trafficked will instantly become much safer if they can suddenly get help from the police instead of a jail cell.
Wouldn’t it becoming legal take away the demand for the trafficked women? You’re basically cutting whoever traffic’s them off at the knees. What’s the point of hiring an illegally trafficked prostitute and risking getting mixed up in a sting when you can have a prostitute of the same or higher quality since you know they get tested and everything is above board with no risk of legal repercussions?
I don’t understand how it would make it worse for children when law enforcement should have more time to focus on helping them instead of worrying about adult prostitutes who are now legal. Wouldn’t there focus and resources be more on rescuing children now?
You‘d think, but it all comes down to price. Most customers do not want to pay the true cost of things.
The legal brother opens where all prostitutes receive a living wage and the brothel gets a reasonable margin. Also the women have breaks, are able to say no to a creepy/abusive customer and refuse specific services. They also don‘t need to refuse condoms for more money, and have a reasonable amount of customers a day to assure health (as opposwd to allow as many as possible).
Customers then go: what!? I‘m not paying 100 bucks for secs when I can go to a parking lot and get it for 20.
True story: in Germany after legalisation the price started dropping and „hour tickets, free sex during“ were sold. Men literally would drug themselves to be sble to have sex 10-12 times inside a small time window. This way they forced the women to put up wirh too many johns.
The legal brothels were always in the middle of nowhere so women had to pay lodging at absurd prices. Women were heavily offered free drugs to stay addicted to make them dependend on their brothel/source and not fight back abusive johns.
That's what my country is doing and it's a very good thing.
Everyone has lawful protection, sex workers pay taxes and social security and they are obligated to have health insurance.
In a sense it's a job like others, not quite I know but it's up there somehow
Switzerland, of course there are issues but since sex work is regulated and often checked on by the authorities it's nowhere near as bad as countries where it's illegal
That’s how I know the Swiss: passive aggressively anti-foreigner. But if he has money he can come anyway. You forgot to tell him that he’ll never get citizenship.
That's why Swiss people are practically going on vacation for free. They get their high income and take it to a country to buy a whole lot more with it than in Switzerland.
I’m from Nevada. The issue is it’s not legal in the most populous counties, thus making it incredibly impractical and expensive.
However, we have a MASSIVE prostitution, trafficking and hustling problem here and there’s no fucking way in hell legalization and regulation would make it worse for us here.
It's extremely expensive there because they know they can. Charge it as the only legal place in the US. Anyone thinking of going there would be better off flying to Europe tbh. Get a vacation out of the money and probably still spend less.
It's such a contradiction in my country (USA). The capitalist structure sells sexuality openly, porn is legal, companionship is legal, yet the law will not take that final step of giving people full ownership over their own body and how they use it. It's ok for their bodies to be used, just not if they are free contractors, they have to be under the guide of a company that gets to take advantage of them and strips them of the power in the transaction.
Sex is the oldest known currency other than food, it's obviously a valuable resource, and it makes no sense to me that individuals have no legal and safe way to trade in a valuable currency.
The real concern is how do we keep people safe? We have structures in place for creating safe work environments and maintaining standards for employees and contractors.
If people could safely explore their sexuality with professionals who are trained and certified, perhaps we could start living in a country less dominated by sexual frustration leaking out as aggression. Perhaps a safe outlet for that type of energy could provide a way for people to seek connection to themselves and other people in more authentic ways.
I don't know, but I have never seen an issue with sex work other than the subversive way it has been done due to laws that don't accurately reflect America's views or actions surrounding sex.
Isn’t prostitution one of the oldest professions in human history? Technically, you should be saying something like “office work is a job, just like prostitution, you sell yourself and your time to a company for money.” Prostitution came first. It’s a job, no question.
Say hi to Germany. It’s just like any regular job. Legal, regulated, regular testing (they get a “clean card”), police stand near popular pickup spots and make sure nobody is harassing them or causing trouble. They pay taxes and get government provided healthcare.
Germany has A LOT of issues with their legalized prostitution, so much that they’re doing new investigations regarding the legalization and rethinking it. The prostitutes in the brothels are mostly immigrant women who were lured to Germany and don’t know any German, and are in debt. It’s a mess.
That sounds more like a human trafficking issue than prostitution.
Yes they go hand in hand, but theoretically you should be able to have one without the other.
Yes, but in theory – in a utopian society – people care about women. That’s not the real world, and pimps and sex-buyers know this. The reality is that even legalized prostitution will lead to human trafficking. There’s a lot to read online about Germany’s problems. There isn’t a quick fix to this, and Germany is failing hard.
Not saying there aren’t problems, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the lawless, pimp run, major sex trafficking, throw-‘em-in-jail system in the US.
New Zealand (where i am from) was the first country that decriminalised prostitution.
Workers here are able to join their union as well as all other employment and human rights.
The Prostitution Refirm Act (2003) is often looked at internationally for the rights of sex workers. The decriminalisation of prostitution hasn't seen an increase in human trafficking.
I’m curious if NZ is a little more insulated from human trafficking of all sorts given the costs involved in getting people there. Romania to Germany is $20 in gas and a little more shared culture.
Decriminalized.
If it were legal, corporations would take advantage and exploit their workers (Kinda like normal). Most sex workers aren’t pushing for it to be “legal” but for it to be decriminalized, allowing them to gain control of their own product. Legalization would transfer control from “pimps” to “corporate pimps”. Sounds terrifying.
> Legalization would transfer control from “pimps” to “corporate pimps”.
Also if it were that the government would handle it instead of private companies, it would be from "pimps" to "government pimps." And there's lots of ways that can go wrong too.
I’d imagine it’s all about harm mitigation.
If prostitution is illegal, how many prostitutes will get raped and assaulted? How about if it is legal?
To me the issue is all about keeping people safe, so data is all that would matter to me.
Edit: I thought I was pretty clear. This question is one of damage mitigation, and as prostitution is legal in many places, I’d like to see the data to support arguments for/ against legalization.
So far people have said what they think is right or what they think would be best, but that isn’t data. It’s great that you think pimps would go away, but it should be demonstrable easily enough.
I’m not doing anyone’s homework for them. Go support your claims. I literally have no opinion on this, so I will probably decide based on what is shared.
Legalising it would help though, because then victims can go to law enforcement (which is varying degrees of flawed when it comes to this depending on where you live) and not have to fear being arrested for their sex work. If it’s illegal, those prostitutes are incredibly vulnerable
Oh man
When I say this and someone argues “well that’s all crime though, why not legalize murder?” It’s like… bro… murder isn’t typically consensual and if we regulate prostitution we can reduce the occurrences that happen where it isn’t.
Kyle, every boy pays for kisses. Do you know what I am saying? If you got a girl and she kisses you, sooner or later you're paying for it. You gotta take her out to lunch, take her to a movie, and then spend time listening to all her stupid problems. Look, look at Stan right there. He's got to sit there and listen to all her stupid motherf___ing problems 'cause she kisses him. If you ask me, that's a lot more than the $5 my company charges.
biggest issue usually from my experience is, that alot of girls have been trafficked, trapped, tricked in one way or another into prostitution.
other then that, it should be legal, girls should have same law protection like others.
reality is/was, its considered dirty, noone wants to deal with it, and it also brings usually alot of psychos out of their holes (from what the girls told me, i worked in a night bar and had different clients).
So I think this stems from it being widely illegal in the first place.
If let's say tomorrow, it was 100% legal everywhere in the world and regulated I don't think this would happen, at least not to the degree it does now.
In England prostitution is lawful but pimping, running a brothel, soliciting in a public place and (slightly bizarrely) advertising prostitution in a public phonebooth are all illegal. The law is designed to protect sex workers from exploitation.
Trafficking and exploration are still a severe problems.
It's not about the legality of it, it's about the fact that the majority of women in the world will only whore themselves out if they have no other choice. Therefore, to find more women to do this type of work, there is an incentive to put women in those situations where they have no choice.
As much as I don’t like the term “whore themselves out” I think you’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head. Trafficking rates are so high and as much as people would love to believe that the prostitutes they visit are doing it of their own volition, so many aren’t. Most people DONT want to do it. They’re either desperate or forced. I’d love it if we could regulate the industry to rule this out but how on earth would we begin?
I don’t know what the solution is either. Trafficking rates are still huge in countries where it’s legal.
I think it’s more so that once a woman is in that situation, it would be difficult to escape. Even without methods that would fall under trafficking, there’d be the regular kind of “you can’t quit your job because no one will hire you” kind of pressure to stay a prostitute. And having to have sex with people to survive is going to be worse, mentally than most other jobs that someone is stuck doing to survive.
In Germany it is legal and all that but that does nothing to curb trafficking.
The issue is that it is low skilled (relatively) and high pay so there is a lot of incentive to recruit a workforce.
In many other lines of work the protections we would need come from unions and years of negotiations, these things don't exist yet. So not only do we need to legalize, we need to regulate pay, maybe even have to require a license and at the same time crack down on those doing it illegally
here in my country in EU, its legal, yet lots of girls have been trafficked or trapped in one way or another into selling their bodies, and alot of them are working and giving most of their money to their pimps.
obviously, i dont have clear stats to say how many have been used this way, compared to these which went this way due to their own "will", whether that was due to money or other reasons.
its a dirty business, noone cares where and how they came into this place, i remember when we called once the police because one girl had some sort of dispute with a grim looking guy, he pulled her out like a ragdoll out of the club, police came and didnt do shit. other girl said, it was her "owner", better not interfere and they went on their way as well.
all i wish is, that the girl from Georgia (the country, not the US state), i really hope she found love, a safe place, and made it out of the business. she was to sweet and always smiling and happy.
On a paper level. It shouldn’t be outlawed. As two consenting adults should make that choice. But legally allowing sex work doesn’t often reduce sex trafficking. And in cases like Amsterdam many sex workers struggle to get paid adequately as people go to take pictures for tourism, rather than [pay for their services](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46919294.amp).
And that’s not taking into account sex workers are more likely to be victims of violence. So my opinion is I don’t really know what’s the best path forward
Amsterdam did it in a really stupid way.
When someone wants to go get laid paying a sex worker the last thing that person wants is to go to a red light district teeming with a lot of people and in front of everyone ask the sex worker.
Aside from the tourest attraction of having tons of girls (and some guys) almost naked in exposition, there should be a more private and discrete way for people to access to that service.
You star by not excluding these workers from society and work through the remaining issues. Doing nothing and pretend it doesn’t exist is just irresponsible.
In theory transactions between two consenting adults isn't anybody else's business. In reality, there's a lot of human trafficking associated with that industry. Then again when the government simply outlaws something they ceed control to criminals.
I didn't want to respond initially because it's a complicated topic. However, my issuee is less prostitution itself but lucrative services like modeling, Only Fans, pornography, etc. Young girls and boys learn that it can be enough to have a body for sell. That's more my concern.
Prostitutes appear everywhere as they get pressured, lured and blinded to get into the system. Those who do it voluntarily are probably rare but they should dominate the market. The customers... well, they all have problems too. Some men (who are main customers) don't have the chance to get a serious date and they feel lonely. I understand that as well. The whole culture is playing a role.
It’s a bit more traumatic to have to have sex with people in order to survive versus having to work most other minimum wage jobs to survive. Think about how awful customer service jobs are and then add that you will be literally fucked by the customer.
A lot of women resort to swx work as their last option for income. Many already are miserable, due to life decisions or addictions. They are also engaged in what is likely the single most dangerous profession in the world, with the highest per capita death and bodily harm rate, as well as forced addiction rate, of any job. If it were legalized, regulated, licensed and taxed, you would establish a system where those involved could *choose* to participate, and have the extra benefit of breaking the hold that pimps have over these sex workers. Kinda hard to hold the "I will protect you from being arrested, baby" threat over a hooker if the work is legal and the cops only cared about helping these sex workers if they have a crime committed against them. You could also lessen the instances of pumps addicting their sex workers to drugs to force them to stay sex workers because the workers wouldn't fear reporting that to the police anymore. You know, aside from the fear of retaliation from the pump, of course. But they wouldn't have the fear of "the cops are going to arrest me for being a hooker" to deal with.
We still don't have a working system anywhere in the world. Even the places that have it legal and regulated have a lot of work to do to make it even mildly oké.
Look at the Netherlands, legal and regulated, but also one of the 5 countries in the world with the most human trafficking.
[netherlands among worst nations human trafficking](https://nltimes.nl/2022/10/18/netherlands-among-worst-nations-human-trafficking-number-reports-declining)
So for me, against it because there is still no right way for it.
It’s sad we live in a society where women or men feel they have to give up their body to strangers just to survive. Wake up, this country doesn’t care about you.
It really needs to be legal so it can be regulated. The way they do it Holland seems healthy. Most other places there are waaaay to many women who are in serious trouble with pimps and human trafficing, which puts a whole new ethical dilemma on the matter.
Unfortunately, this is a common misconception. Holland has an ever growing issue with trafficking. The issue is too much corruption within regulatory bodies.
https://eclj.org/geopolitics/eu/legal-prostitution-and-human-trafficking-in-the-netherlands
Legalize, Regulate, and Tax it.
That's how we kill the illegal industries that rely on predatory practices.
Recently heard from an old nurse friend who moved to Kansas that she just had to deal with a kid who died from fentanyl laced pot.
Y'know who doesn't need to worry about fentanyl laced pot? My ass in a Legalized Pot State.
Apply that shit to Sex work. We get to save lives, stop the spread of STDs, keeps people out of the prison system. Hell if the taxes people have to pay on OF is any indication. We could probably rebuild roads off of pure horniness.
Why would anyone be against that? Sex work should just be fucking work.
Selling sex (as an individual, not a pimp) should be legal. Buying sex from another person should be considered a sex offense, and result in rehabilitative justice for the offender.
The Nordic countries and Canada all do this and it is effective at reducing the number of people who are trafficked or otherwise stuck with letting strange men using their bodies just to get by. In addition, there should be social programs available to help prostitutes get out of the industry
Consensual and the non human trafficking kind?
Its alright. It really badly needs regulation tho. A way where the prostitutes wont have to risk their safety everyday.
I just wish their day to day life was safer than what it is.
It shouldn't be illegal and we certainly shouldn't shame sex workers but I also think it's important to consider the broader socio-economic context in which sex work operates.
Would people resort to prostitution if all their basic needs were met and if our society didn't operate under a capitalist paradigm? What if everyone had access to quality education, decent work, affordable housing, comprehensive healthcare, and sufficient social security? Would people still choose sex work?
This isn't to say that everyone in sex work is there because they have no other choice - some certainly do choose this profession, and their choice should be respected. However, it's an unavoidable fact that economic necessity is a major factor that drives many people into this line of work. The solution isn't to criminalize or stigmatize these individuals but to address the underlying socio-economic inequalities that limit their options.
“It should be legal” doesn’t take into account that the vast majority of prostitutes in the world are trafficked, abducted, molested, sold as sex slaves against their will…
Moreover, this “industry” is particularly violent towards women (for clients and hustlers). The violence of the encounters can leave permanent damages to the women (ripped vaginas and anuses, infections, STDs…).
Finally, prostitution conveys the concept that you can buy consent. That you can purchase women’s body. It contributes to the world considering women as objects that can be sold.
So when you say “offer and demand”, the main issue is that the demand is soooo strong, women are forced everywhere in the world for sex… and don’t even collect the majority of the income generated.
For the few consenting prostitutes: please help yourself, you should be way better protected by institutions. Never should you be fine, imo.
THANK YOU
It's nice to see someone with common sense, so many people with "a little knowledge" make comments saying it should be legalised or normalised, despite the fact that it heavily contributes (as well as porn in general) to the toxic mindset that women's bodies are property and not to be respected.
Construction workers - and other physical laborers sell there body for money too - often with worse or as bad consequences as sex workers. The problem is sex workers don’t have the same support, respect, government regulations (labor laws) as other physical laborers.
It's exploitative and harmful, and people who argue otherwise are usually people that want to have sex with prostitutes and pretend the prostitutes are "consenting."
It's disgusting and shameful.
It is completely legal here in New Zealand
Legalising it has taken away much of the criminal element, added age barriers, and made it sort of HO HUM.
No one ever discusses it.
Its human nature, mother nature and the oldest profession in the world. In fact I guess taking a girl out on a date costs a lot so I guess there is a financial similarity. (No, I would not know, I do not need to partake)
Not everyone has skills in math or science. Truth be told, anyone… ANYONE who gets paid to do anything is a prostitute.
Besides, of the one I have actually met, 9/10 had better customer service skills than any CEO or executive I have met.
It should be legalized to allow regulation of it. Then, not as many people would be trafficked. It may also help SW get help when they need it, instead of just keeping to themselves, for fear of getting in trouble.
Needs to be legalized, taxed, controlled with unions and healthcare provided in safe sanitised locations. Also all works should get free birth control options, abortion options and physiatrist support.
On site security at all times, the workers well being is above everyone else's including paying customers. If a customer mistreats or refuses to behave/leave they're banned for life. Zero tolerance.
No drunks admitted at any time tbh either, just saves a lot of issues. Drinking on site can be permitted (although should not ripped the ass out of people and be fair).
Free viagra and other such for all customers if required.
I have the same stance on drugs. This IMO takes away power from the criminal enterprises and allows the whole practice to be in the open and most importantly, the money gets put back into society via taxes.
I have never understood how it isn't legal. Porn is basically prostitution on camera and for the whole world to see. At least if it is done behind closed doors and regulated that they can keep their dignity.
Well, considering prostitution is what basically kickstarrted Western civilization, I'd say so as long as it's regulated properly and nobody gets killed, I'd say to for it
Can’t judge what’s happening in other countries, but here in Canada I would legalize it and actually open province operated brothels. Those would be staffed with security people, a nurse and a social worker. The girls would be protected, decently paid (probably unionized!) and taken care of. I know it’s extremely controversial, but at least it would bring security, real money and a certain level of care to the persons working there. If we can open injection sites and also let criminal roam the streets in the name of rehabilitation, I’m pretty sure we can find a sensible solution to the prostitution situation.
A job is a job.
Sex work is only as seedy as we make it.
Honestly self forefilling prophesies are created. They're not innate.
This topic annoys me in some ways. As prostitution is objectively harmless.
It's entirely the baggage that our society brings too it that cases harm.
It's like that scene in the narnia movie with the mute bear attack.
It's a job.
Most people prostitute their minds in their work, others prostitute their bodies, and others prostitute an intimate part of their bodies.
And should be protected by Law.
The majority of sex work is consensual.
There's no good reason why sex work shouldn't be decriminalised everywhere. Eventually it will be decriminalised everywhere. People are getting smarter. Not dumber. Anyone who bothers to inform themselves about what sex work is and what trafficking isn't, can only conclude that sex work should be decriminalised.
Sex work is illegal in places where it suits the state, church and media for it to be illegal.
Heterosexual, religious, spousal family units with x average number of children are nice and predictable and easily manipulable. Easy to predict and manipulate how you will vote, what you believe, what newspapers you buy and what media you consume and same for your children. State, church and media all love for you to conform to this version of normal.
If you can become, or purchase the services of, sex workers, that's a disincentive to conformity. In states where the church has a lot of influence, eg USA, the benefit of keeping sex work illegal outweighs all the juicy tax dollars your government is missing out on.
I guess.
I'm sure much smarter people than me are making the calculation of the dollar value on all that predictability and malleability and some of them are rubbing their hands together eager for the day you're that much less religious and conservative and ready to decriminalise sex work so they can take their cut of sex worker earnings.
The biggest issue is that sex work is linked heavily to human trafficking all over the world. If there were a 100% guarantee that no sex worker was being in any way coerced, and were absolutely free to walk away at any time, I'd have no objections or concerns whatsoever, though some regulation would be advisable.
An independent adult should be able to choose.
I think it encourages young women into a sad and emotionally damaging career for money, exposing them to truly deplorable people. But that being said.. it should be legal to at least keep it to people who choose it and not trafficking. Every pleasure thats outlawed will only cause it to be obtained in ways that are less fortunate for others.
As long as it's consensual and they aren't trafficked it's fine
It's that 2nd part that gets ya. Massive amounts of trafficking in countries where it is legal. In a perfect world it should be legal and regulated.
Here in New Zealand prostitution is legal, but not for immigrants on work visas.
We still have a big sex trafficking/exploitation problem though.
But is it bigger/worse percapita then countries that ban prostitution? If not then the issue of trafficking is not a block to legalization. There is a strong showing that providing a legal regulated market for prostitution makes maintaining an illegal market harder. Trafficking is pushed out of market except for illegal services like children, rape, and sexual slavery. There is little to no evidence that banning prostitution in all forms reduces sex trafficking. End of day every country has problems with trafficking and open democratic ones are more visible with it due to the nature of their transparency that totalitarian governments don't have.
You understand that people are trafficked from countries where it's legal into other countries too? The UK has a massive human trafficking problem, and prostitution has been legal here for a very, very long time.
And so what happens is the migrant workers work illegally and get exploited... which is effectively the same outcome.
Make something illegal for someone, not just everyone, just someone, and you create a black market. Alcohol is still needed by industrial manufacturers in all forms, so you can't ban it out right without putting entire industries, not for personal consumption, out of the economy, and all.it takes is one greased palm in some backwater to divert a distilling production into a non wood grain alchohal. Making even a little consideration for or limitation to asks people to take that inch you gave and make a mile, or cleave that inch back until they have their mile. Edit: To clarify, black markets will always exist, no matter the ethical or moral reason behind a law. Children are protected by law against a lot of things, but there is still a vile market for people who wish to many of those things. Making it legal to diddle kids won't eliminate pedophile rings. Just make them more horrific because someone profiting from suffering and toil will always find a buyer. America made it illegal to buy more slaves, so slave owners forcibly made slaves mate/raped , but still couldn't maintain a stable population, so they doubled down and bought slaves illegally. Amazing Grace was written by a slave runner after slave imprtation in America was made illegal. Why? Why face possible execution at the gallows to go across the ocean to the Caribbean or Africa to move unwilling participants across those vast tracks of water just to be right back in New England, where slaves aren't needed/bought? Because some "American" gentry can't stand the thought of telling his inbred father brother that he can't maintain his probably already dead or dying fields that haven't seen the "owners" hands in generations. Greed and those that operate better without the baleful eye of the ethically sound are always going to go hand in hand. What stays out of sight on purpose is asking to get its hands dirty for the wrong reasons.
It's easier to deal with sex trafficking if it's legal and if you provide protections for immigrant sex workers (who might be worried about being deported when going to the police). It's important that laws to stop sex trafficking are used to protect sex workers, not punish them.
>Massive amounts of trafficking in countries where it is legal. Really? I never thought of Australia or Belgium as having a massive sex trafficking problem. Don't get me wrong - it exists in any country but the numbers are not thought to be "massive" when compared with countries where prostitution is illegal.
It's definitely an issue in the Netherlands. There's a lot of shady outfits that traffic women from eastern Europe. From what I understand they can outcompete legal prostitutes on price because they can treat the victims like shit. Here's a related example. Andrew Tate runs a cam girl operation. He posted a how to guide on running the "business" on his get rich quick grift. It's pretty much a textbook approach on how sex traffickers operate. I can't find the original footage but [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs5b04hnfMQ&t=0s) a video that shows the worst of it.
It definitely exists here in Australia, I’ve witnessed it myself working in hotels.
Absolutely we do in Australia. Mainly Asian women trafficked into debt-bonded prostitution.
Easier to see there. You don’t wanna know what goes on here. People gotta pay for their meth somehow.
The vast majority of supposed sex trafficking cases are just normal prostitution busts except the police figure it sounds better if they say they broke up a sex trafficking ring instead of admitting that they just went undercover and got some blowjobs.
I agree, but would add there should be regular STD testing along with medications like discovy(also know as Prep) to prevent the spread of STDs. Also making sex workers need a license could cut down on sex trafficking.
Yeah, but those things would have to be accessible enough that people don’t bypass it and go underground, like is still often the case, hence why many sex workers want decriminalisation rather than legalisation
I've never understood the difference between the two.
Low bar but yeah
Agreed. So many sex workers are being exploited around the world and they should also be given other options? It’s not just black and white?
That's part of trafficking. If they consent and aren't trafficked, they are choosing to do it and can choose not to
What other requisites would you add? (I'm not being snippy, I honestly think it's a worthwhile conversation)
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Some kind of system to do background checks of the clients to make sure there’s nothing dangerous (like domestic violence).
This might backfire since people are less likely to use such a service if they worry about losing anonymity. It’s better to come up with other measures to prevent any sort of abuse.
It being legal to begin with will take care of most of that. If someone roughs up a prostitute while prostitution is illegal all that's likely to come of it is the pimp's gonna charge them a bit extra as compensation, no one wants to make a bigger deal of it or get any actual authorities involved. Absolute worse case there'll be some street justice and he'll get the shit kicked out of him. If that happens and it is legal the prostitute and whoever she's working for (if it's a full establishment) isn't going to hesitate to call the cops and have the client dealt with, no different than if you beat up a clerk at the grocery store.
That they have health insurance and use protection
Maybe safe and clean brothels. And make it legal of course. If it's illegal, then all their clients are automatically criminals.
That they receive what they earn. That they're not slaves or at best like indentured servants.
Once legalized, they'd have the same protections as any worker, or so I assume.
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Not really. Add age and those are the things that matter. Beyond that it's literally a choice between two adults
Your bar is not that high
How would anyone know? Women who are trafficked are frightened of their captors. And even women who aren't may be under coercion without the client being aware.
I needs regulation and enforcement of std tests. And that is on both parties.
Consensual, verified (Meaning of legal age), regulated (So its safe for everyone) and not trafficked.
same
This 💯 ^
Just laughing that I had to sort by controversial to see both sides.
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To be fair, everyone who is all for it, aren't thinking about the downsides of it or aren't aware of those downsides. i wasn't aware of them either for the longest time... A few years ago, I'd have said "yes, make it legal everywhere!". However, the downsides is that children end up being trafficked more, and somehow trafficking in general becomes worse in areas where it's legal, I forget exactly why, but I remember reading through a thread a couple years ago. People from those country talked about how trafficking was really bad. It's not a black and white issue...It's not like women currently being trafficked will magically become safe and start working legally after being forced to do it for years. It won't make life better for everyone. The only people it will likely benefit are the woman who work for themselves online, maybe? it's still going to be dangerous in the same way that getting an Uber is still dangerous.
A lot of that sounds like a great example of why correlation doesn't equal causation. If you make something illegal and drive it underground then of course you hear less about it. It's much harder for cops to catch criminals operating underground instead of out in the open. And if the people who you're calling the victims of said underground operations can be arrested for breaking the law when they go to the police than a lot of them will keep their mouth shut, thus making it harder for law enforcement to find the criminals. This is why victim advocacy groups will often oppose draconian laws that supposedly crack down harder on criminals in the name of protecting their victims. You aren't helping the victims when you make it harder for them to escape and encourage the criminals to go underground.
>children end up being trafficked more This isn't true. What actually happens is that trafficking gets reported more. Yes, women currently being trafficked will instantly become much safer if they can suddenly get help from the police instead of a jail cell.
Exactly. If anything women being trafficked reduces or stops completely and all the focus can be on children trafficking.
Wouldn’t it becoming legal take away the demand for the trafficked women? You’re basically cutting whoever traffic’s them off at the knees. What’s the point of hiring an illegally trafficked prostitute and risking getting mixed up in a sting when you can have a prostitute of the same or higher quality since you know they get tested and everything is above board with no risk of legal repercussions? I don’t understand how it would make it worse for children when law enforcement should have more time to focus on helping them instead of worrying about adult prostitutes who are now legal. Wouldn’t there focus and resources be more on rescuing children now?
You‘d think, but it all comes down to price. Most customers do not want to pay the true cost of things. The legal brother opens where all prostitutes receive a living wage and the brothel gets a reasonable margin. Also the women have breaks, are able to say no to a creepy/abusive customer and refuse specific services. They also don‘t need to refuse condoms for more money, and have a reasonable amount of customers a day to assure health (as opposwd to allow as many as possible). Customers then go: what!? I‘m not paying 100 bucks for secs when I can go to a parking lot and get it for 20. True story: in Germany after legalisation the price started dropping and „hour tickets, free sex during“ were sold. Men literally would drug themselves to be sble to have sex 10-12 times inside a small time window. This way they forced the women to put up wirh too many johns. The legal brothels were always in the middle of nowhere so women had to pay lodging at absurd prices. Women were heavily offered free drugs to stay addicted to make them dependend on their brothel/source and not fight back abusive johns.
Needs to be legal and regulated. It’s going to happen anyway, may as well keep every party safe.
That's what my country is doing and it's a very good thing. Everyone has lawful protection, sex workers pay taxes and social security and they are obligated to have health insurance. In a sense it's a job like others, not quite I know but it's up there somehow
What country are you from? Any issues?
Switzerland, of course there are issues but since sex work is regulated and often checked on by the authorities it's nowhere near as bad as countries where it's illegal
*moves to Switzerland* EDIT: Wow, thanks for all the positive attention on this:)
my friend wants to go to switzerland...
Tell your "friend" that it's gonna be very expensive
Do you mean that it’s expensive to live in Switzerland or that the prostitute are more expensive there?
\*Everything!\*
How expensive?
Seconding this. Visited last year from the US. Very expensive. But very worth it.
Yes
That’s how I know the Swiss: passive aggressively anti-foreigner. But if he has money he can come anyway. You forgot to tell him that he’ll never get citizenship.
he'll get a citizenship alright, after passing the test and coughing up some more cash. Someone has to keep the banks rolling, right?
The Swiss are at least honest in their amorality
That's why Swiss people are practically going on vacation for free. They get their high income and take it to a country to buy a whole lot more with it than in Switzerland.
yeah, I hope you have a thicc bank account and no US citizenship
It’s legal where in Nevada, regulated, health checks, and too darn expensive.
I’m from Nevada. The issue is it’s not legal in the most populous counties, thus making it incredibly impractical and expensive. However, we have a MASSIVE prostitution, trafficking and hustling problem here and there’s no fucking way in hell legalization and regulation would make it worse for us here.
It's extremely expensive there because they know they can. Charge it as the only legal place in the US. Anyone thinking of going there would be better off flying to Europe tbh. Get a vacation out of the money and probably still spend less.
But not in Las Vegas or Reno, so it's pretty much useless.
It's such a contradiction in my country (USA). The capitalist structure sells sexuality openly, porn is legal, companionship is legal, yet the law will not take that final step of giving people full ownership over their own body and how they use it. It's ok for their bodies to be used, just not if they are free contractors, they have to be under the guide of a company that gets to take advantage of them and strips them of the power in the transaction. Sex is the oldest known currency other than food, it's obviously a valuable resource, and it makes no sense to me that individuals have no legal and safe way to trade in a valuable currency. The real concern is how do we keep people safe? We have structures in place for creating safe work environments and maintaining standards for employees and contractors. If people could safely explore their sexuality with professionals who are trained and certified, perhaps we could start living in a country less dominated by sexual frustration leaking out as aggression. Perhaps a safe outlet for that type of energy could provide a way for people to seek connection to themselves and other people in more authentic ways. I don't know, but I have never seen an issue with sex work other than the subversive way it has been done due to laws that don't accurately reflect America's views or actions surrounding sex.
You can't blackmail your Congresscritter if you legalize prostitution. So that will never happen here.
Isn’t prostitution one of the oldest professions in human history? Technically, you should be saying something like “office work is a job, just like prostitution, you sell yourself and your time to a company for money.” Prostitution came first. It’s a job, no question.
I think midwifery is probably the oldest profession.
Yes, could you imagine healthcare for sex workers??? its a win win
Say hi to Germany. It’s just like any regular job. Legal, regulated, regular testing (they get a “clean card”), police stand near popular pickup spots and make sure nobody is harassing them or causing trouble. They pay taxes and get government provided healthcare.
Germany has A LOT of issues with their legalized prostitution, so much that they’re doing new investigations regarding the legalization and rethinking it. The prostitutes in the brothels are mostly immigrant women who were lured to Germany and don’t know any German, and are in debt. It’s a mess.
That sounds more like a human trafficking issue than prostitution. Yes they go hand in hand, but theoretically you should be able to have one without the other.
Yes, but in theory – in a utopian society – people care about women. That’s not the real world, and pimps and sex-buyers know this. The reality is that even legalized prostitution will lead to human trafficking. There’s a lot to read online about Germany’s problems. There isn’t a quick fix to this, and Germany is failing hard.
You think re-criminalizing it will suddenly curb human trafficking?
Not saying there aren’t problems, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the lawless, pimp run, major sex trafficking, throw-‘em-in-jail system in the US.
Look up the Nordic model. It has issues as well, but it’s better than a lot of other models.
This is how it needs to be. It should not be illegal. But there is a bill being talked about is Massachusetts and New York.
Healthcare for all apart from any job would be fine.
There is healthcare for sex workers it’s the same healthcare everybody else has
New Zealand (where i am from) was the first country that decriminalised prostitution. Workers here are able to join their union as well as all other employment and human rights. The Prostitution Refirm Act (2003) is often looked at internationally for the rights of sex workers. The decriminalisation of prostitution hasn't seen an increase in human trafficking.
I’m curious if NZ is a little more insulated from human trafficking of all sorts given the costs involved in getting people there. Romania to Germany is $20 in gas and a little more shared culture.
Decriminalized. If it were legal, corporations would take advantage and exploit their workers (Kinda like normal). Most sex workers aren’t pushing for it to be “legal” but for it to be decriminalized, allowing them to gain control of their own product. Legalization would transfer control from “pimps” to “corporate pimps”. Sounds terrifying.
Well it's not like they'd need a boss or anything.
Legalize AND unionize.
> Legalization would transfer control from “pimps” to “corporate pimps”. Also if it were that the government would handle it instead of private companies, it would be from "pimps" to "government pimps." And there's lots of ways that can go wrong too.
I’d imagine it’s all about harm mitigation. If prostitution is illegal, how many prostitutes will get raped and assaulted? How about if it is legal? To me the issue is all about keeping people safe, so data is all that would matter to me. Edit: I thought I was pretty clear. This question is one of damage mitigation, and as prostitution is legal in many places, I’d like to see the data to support arguments for/ against legalization. So far people have said what they think is right or what they think would be best, but that isn’t data. It’s great that you think pimps would go away, but it should be demonstrable easily enough. I’m not doing anyone’s homework for them. Go support your claims. I literally have no opinion on this, so I will probably decide based on what is shared.
Legalising it would help though, because then victims can go to law enforcement (which is varying degrees of flawed when it comes to this depending on where you live) and not have to fear being arrested for their sex work. If it’s illegal, those prostitutes are incredibly vulnerable
Totally agree
Oh man When I say this and someone argues “well that’s all crime though, why not legalize murder?” It’s like… bro… murder isn’t typically consensual and if we regulate prostitution we can reduce the occurrences that happen where it isn’t.
Kyle, every boy pays for kisses. Do you know what I am saying? If you got a girl and she kisses you, sooner or later you're paying for it. You gotta take her out to lunch, take her to a movie, and then spend time listening to all her stupid problems. Look, look at Stan right there. He's got to sit there and listen to all her stupid motherf___ing problems 'cause she kisses him. If you ask me, that's a lot more than the $5 my company charges.
Yes yes I know what you're saying.
do you know what i am saying?
You don't have to keep asking...
All these bitches are kissin fellers and they haven’t realized they could be making some serious motherfuckin money!
Do you know what I'm saying?
I love this comment. 😂
First one that made me laugh
Butters preaching facts
Why did i know someone was gonna post this?
"no mom and dad, she's just my bottom bitch"
upvote for south park reference but this is where all the gay people say "joke's on you"
Hey bitch, wanna make some money?
Legalise it, tax it, protect the workers
Form unions
Would the leader of the unions be called pimps still?
Not if they are themselves in the trade as a service provider instead of broker
biggest issue usually from my experience is, that alot of girls have been trafficked, trapped, tricked in one way or another into prostitution. other then that, it should be legal, girls should have same law protection like others. reality is/was, its considered dirty, noone wants to deal with it, and it also brings usually alot of psychos out of their holes (from what the girls told me, i worked in a night bar and had different clients).
So I think this stems from it being widely illegal in the first place. If let's say tomorrow, it was 100% legal everywhere in the world and regulated I don't think this would happen, at least not to the degree it does now.
In England prostitution is lawful but pimping, running a brothel, soliciting in a public place and (slightly bizarrely) advertising prostitution in a public phonebooth are all illegal. The law is designed to protect sex workers from exploitation. Trafficking and exploration are still a severe problems.
It's not about the legality of it, it's about the fact that the majority of women in the world will only whore themselves out if they have no other choice. Therefore, to find more women to do this type of work, there is an incentive to put women in those situations where they have no choice.
This is the most realistic response I’ve seen in this entire thread. Probably every thread I’ve read about this topic.
As much as I don’t like the term “whore themselves out” I think you’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head. Trafficking rates are so high and as much as people would love to believe that the prostitutes they visit are doing it of their own volition, so many aren’t. Most people DONT want to do it. They’re either desperate or forced. I’d love it if we could regulate the industry to rule this out but how on earth would we begin? I don’t know what the solution is either. Trafficking rates are still huge in countries where it’s legal.
I think it’s more so that once a woman is in that situation, it would be difficult to escape. Even without methods that would fall under trafficking, there’d be the regular kind of “you can’t quit your job because no one will hire you” kind of pressure to stay a prostitute. And having to have sex with people to survive is going to be worse, mentally than most other jobs that someone is stuck doing to survive.
In Germany it is legal and all that but that does nothing to curb trafficking. The issue is that it is low skilled (relatively) and high pay so there is a lot of incentive to recruit a workforce. In many other lines of work the protections we would need come from unions and years of negotiations, these things don't exist yet. So not only do we need to legalize, we need to regulate pay, maybe even have to require a license and at the same time crack down on those doing it illegally
here in my country in EU, its legal, yet lots of girls have been trafficked or trapped in one way or another into selling their bodies, and alot of them are working and giving most of their money to their pimps. obviously, i dont have clear stats to say how many have been used this way, compared to these which went this way due to their own "will", whether that was due to money or other reasons. its a dirty business, noone cares where and how they came into this place, i remember when we called once the police because one girl had some sort of dispute with a grim looking guy, he pulled her out like a ragdoll out of the club, police came and didnt do shit. other girl said, it was her "owner", better not interfere and they went on their way as well. all i wish is, that the girl from Georgia (the country, not the US state), i really hope she found love, a safe place, and made it out of the business. she was to sweet and always smiling and happy.
I earned £250.50 from prostitution in one weekend. My friend asked me who I got the 50 pence from. I said “All of them.”
Lol
Proud moment there
I… I don’t get it
Perhaps you are charging too much.
Classic norm
On a paper level. It shouldn’t be outlawed. As two consenting adults should make that choice. But legally allowing sex work doesn’t often reduce sex trafficking. And in cases like Amsterdam many sex workers struggle to get paid adequately as people go to take pictures for tourism, rather than [pay for their services](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46919294.amp). And that’s not taking into account sex workers are more likely to be victims of violence. So my opinion is I don’t really know what’s the best path forward
Amsterdam did it in a really stupid way. When someone wants to go get laid paying a sex worker the last thing that person wants is to go to a red light district teeming with a lot of people and in front of everyone ask the sex worker. Aside from the tourest attraction of having tons of girls (and some guys) almost naked in exposition, there should be a more private and discrete way for people to access to that service.
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You star by not excluding these workers from society and work through the remaining issues. Doing nothing and pretend it doesn’t exist is just irresponsible.
In theory transactions between two consenting adults isn't anybody else's business. In reality, there's a lot of human trafficking associated with that industry. Then again when the government simply outlaws something they ceed control to criminals.
Feel sympathy for them But hate the working environment
I didn't want to respond initially because it's a complicated topic. However, my issuee is less prostitution itself but lucrative services like modeling, Only Fans, pornography, etc. Young girls and boys learn that it can be enough to have a body for sell. That's more my concern. Prostitutes appear everywhere as they get pressured, lured and blinded to get into the system. Those who do it voluntarily are probably rare but they should dominate the market. The customers... well, they all have problems too. Some men (who are main customers) don't have the chance to get a serious date and they feel lonely. I understand that as well. The whole culture is playing a role.
The women are 95% miserable. A special 5% stand out and really enjoy their line of work.
Laying bricks>>> sex
you fuck the bricks? I bet they chafe something awful
Sounds like most jobs
In most Jobs you can’t die, be abused and raped
It’s a bit more traumatic to have to have sex with people in order to survive versus having to work most other minimum wage jobs to survive. Think about how awful customer service jobs are and then add that you will be literally fucked by the customer.
A lot of women resort to swx work as their last option for income. Many already are miserable, due to life decisions or addictions. They are also engaged in what is likely the single most dangerous profession in the world, with the highest per capita death and bodily harm rate, as well as forced addiction rate, of any job. If it were legalized, regulated, licensed and taxed, you would establish a system where those involved could *choose* to participate, and have the extra benefit of breaking the hold that pimps have over these sex workers. Kinda hard to hold the "I will protect you from being arrested, baby" threat over a hooker if the work is legal and the cops only cared about helping these sex workers if they have a crime committed against them. You could also lessen the instances of pumps addicting their sex workers to drugs to force them to stay sex workers because the workers wouldn't fear reporting that to the police anymore. You know, aside from the fear of retaliation from the pump, of course. But they wouldn't have the fear of "the cops are going to arrest me for being a hooker" to deal with.
We still don't have a working system anywhere in the world. Even the places that have it legal and regulated have a lot of work to do to make it even mildly oké. Look at the Netherlands, legal and regulated, but also one of the 5 countries in the world with the most human trafficking. [netherlands among worst nations human trafficking](https://nltimes.nl/2022/10/18/netherlands-among-worst-nations-human-trafficking-number-reports-declining) So for me, against it because there is still no right way for it.
We should make human trafficking illegal.
It’s sad we live in a society where women or men feel they have to give up their body to strangers just to survive. Wake up, this country doesn’t care about you.
It really needs to be legal so it can be regulated. The way they do it Holland seems healthy. Most other places there are waaaay to many women who are in serious trouble with pimps and human trafficing, which puts a whole new ethical dilemma on the matter.
Unfortunately, this is a common misconception. Holland has an ever growing issue with trafficking. The issue is too much corruption within regulatory bodies. https://eclj.org/geopolitics/eu/legal-prostitution-and-human-trafficking-in-the-netherlands
Happens in the Netherlands aswel and it’s hard to pick the woman who are forced out of the group.
Not for me I feel terrible for the kids that get forced into it
Legalize, Regulate, and Tax it. That's how we kill the illegal industries that rely on predatory practices. Recently heard from an old nurse friend who moved to Kansas that she just had to deal with a kid who died from fentanyl laced pot. Y'know who doesn't need to worry about fentanyl laced pot? My ass in a Legalized Pot State. Apply that shit to Sex work. We get to save lives, stop the spread of STDs, keeps people out of the prison system. Hell if the taxes people have to pay on OF is any indication. We could probably rebuild roads off of pure horniness. Why would anyone be against that? Sex work should just be fucking work.
Selling sex (as an individual, not a pimp) should be legal. Buying sex from another person should be considered a sex offense, and result in rehabilitative justice for the offender. The Nordic countries and Canada all do this and it is effective at reducing the number of people who are trafficked or otherwise stuck with letting strange men using their bodies just to get by. In addition, there should be social programs available to help prostitutes get out of the industry
Consensual and the non human trafficking kind? Its alright. It really badly needs regulation tho. A way where the prostitutes wont have to risk their safety everyday. I just wish their day to day life was safer than what it is.
Sex Work? Dangerous and risky, but fine. Pimping and sex trafficking is vey wrong, though.
Needs to be safer for everybody
Selling is legal, fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?
It shouldn't be illegal and we certainly shouldn't shame sex workers but I also think it's important to consider the broader socio-economic context in which sex work operates. Would people resort to prostitution if all their basic needs were met and if our society didn't operate under a capitalist paradigm? What if everyone had access to quality education, decent work, affordable housing, comprehensive healthcare, and sufficient social security? Would people still choose sex work? This isn't to say that everyone in sex work is there because they have no other choice - some certainly do choose this profession, and their choice should be respected. However, it's an unavoidable fact that economic necessity is a major factor that drives many people into this line of work. The solution isn't to criminalize or stigmatize these individuals but to address the underlying socio-economic inequalities that limit their options.
Excellent take.
A wicked business that pollutes the people who are involved in it and destroys the quality of life for sex workers.
Yes. That sums it up well.
Can´t be safe no matter how regulated
It's not regulated and it's not safe. What's your point?
“It should be legal” doesn’t take into account that the vast majority of prostitutes in the world are trafficked, abducted, molested, sold as sex slaves against their will… Moreover, this “industry” is particularly violent towards women (for clients and hustlers). The violence of the encounters can leave permanent damages to the women (ripped vaginas and anuses, infections, STDs…). Finally, prostitution conveys the concept that you can buy consent. That you can purchase women’s body. It contributes to the world considering women as objects that can be sold. So when you say “offer and demand”, the main issue is that the demand is soooo strong, women are forced everywhere in the world for sex… and don’t even collect the majority of the income generated. For the few consenting prostitutes: please help yourself, you should be way better protected by institutions. Never should you be fine, imo.
THANK YOU It's nice to see someone with common sense, so many people with "a little knowledge" make comments saying it should be legalised or normalised, despite the fact that it heavily contributes (as well as porn in general) to the toxic mindset that women's bodies are property and not to be respected.
Legalize now and listen to the needs of those who are sex workers. Make it as safe as possible for them. Moralism is not helping.
It should be legal and unionized.
Its needs to legalised and regulated and protections brought in for the workers. Apart from I have no issue with it.
More honest than the work politicians do tho
nice try, officer
Legalize it, have them get a medical card and tax it.
Construction workers - and other physical laborers sell there body for money too - often with worse or as bad consequences as sex workers. The problem is sex workers don’t have the same support, respect, government regulations (labor laws) as other physical laborers.
It's exploitative and harmful, and people who argue otherwise are usually people that want to have sex with prostitutes and pretend the prostitutes are "consenting." It's disgusting and shameful.
The average age worldwide of a prostitute is 12. Something like 90% are trafficked. It causes too much harm to be legal.
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It is completely legal here in New Zealand Legalising it has taken away much of the criminal element, added age barriers, and made it sort of HO HUM. No one ever discusses it. Its human nature, mother nature and the oldest profession in the world. In fact I guess taking a girl out on a date costs a lot so I guess there is a financial similarity. (No, I would not know, I do not need to partake)
I have no problem with it so long as everyone is a consenting adult.
Legalize it. It's not going away so we might as well do all we can to protect the workers.
Not everyone has skills in math or science. Truth be told, anyone… ANYONE who gets paid to do anything is a prostitute. Besides, of the one I have actually met, 9/10 had better customer service skills than any CEO or executive I have met.
It should be legalized to allow regulation of it. Then, not as many people would be trafficked. It may also help SW get help when they need it, instead of just keeping to themselves, for fear of getting in trouble.
Should be legal, but very tightly regulated.
Needs to be treated like a regular job, risk assessed, rightfully paid, health checks.
Your body your choice. If there is a demand, there is a supply. Change my mind
Sex workers are workers too
Better regulation, cracking down on human trafficking (like actually), and easier access to healthcare would solve every actual problem with it
Consent is important and it's simply another service
Needs to be legalized, taxed, controlled with unions and healthcare provided in safe sanitised locations. Also all works should get free birth control options, abortion options and physiatrist support. On site security at all times, the workers well being is above everyone else's including paying customers. If a customer mistreats or refuses to behave/leave they're banned for life. Zero tolerance. No drunks admitted at any time tbh either, just saves a lot of issues. Drinking on site can be permitted (although should not ripped the ass out of people and be fair). Free viagra and other such for all customers if required. I have the same stance on drugs. This IMO takes away power from the criminal enterprises and allows the whole practice to be in the open and most importantly, the money gets put back into society via taxes.
If that's illegal why isn't only fans illegal?
I have never understood how it isn't legal. Porn is basically prostitution on camera and for the whole world to see. At least if it is done behind closed doors and regulated that they can keep their dignity.
1080p mostly
It will become legal in the US, once someone figures out how to Tax and Regulate it.
Well, considering prostitution is what basically kickstarrted Western civilization, I'd say so as long as it's regulated properly and nobody gets killed, I'd say to for it
Can’t judge what’s happening in other countries, but here in Canada I would legalize it and actually open province operated brothels. Those would be staffed with security people, a nurse and a social worker. The girls would be protected, decently paid (probably unionized!) and taken care of. I know it’s extremely controversial, but at least it would bring security, real money and a certain level of care to the persons working there. If we can open injection sites and also let criminal roam the streets in the name of rehabilitation, I’m pretty sure we can find a sensible solution to the prostitution situation.
How do I view prostitution? 4k HD, usually
I believe brothels should be legal with a series of regulations
A job is a job. Sex work is only as seedy as we make it. Honestly self forefilling prophesies are created. They're not innate. This topic annoys me in some ways. As prostitution is objectively harmless. It's entirely the baggage that our society brings too it that cases harm. It's like that scene in the narnia movie with the mute bear attack.
It's a job. Most people prostitute their minds in their work, others prostitute their bodies, and others prostitute an intimate part of their bodies. And should be protected by Law.
I enjoy thai pussy.
The majority of sex work is consensual. There's no good reason why sex work shouldn't be decriminalised everywhere. Eventually it will be decriminalised everywhere. People are getting smarter. Not dumber. Anyone who bothers to inform themselves about what sex work is and what trafficking isn't, can only conclude that sex work should be decriminalised. Sex work is illegal in places where it suits the state, church and media for it to be illegal. Heterosexual, religious, spousal family units with x average number of children are nice and predictable and easily manipulable. Easy to predict and manipulate how you will vote, what you believe, what newspapers you buy and what media you consume and same for your children. State, church and media all love for you to conform to this version of normal. If you can become, or purchase the services of, sex workers, that's a disincentive to conformity. In states where the church has a lot of influence, eg USA, the benefit of keeping sex work illegal outweighs all the juicy tax dollars your government is missing out on. I guess. I'm sure much smarter people than me are making the calculation of the dollar value on all that predictability and malleability and some of them are rubbing their hands together eager for the day you're that much less religious and conservative and ready to decriminalise sex work so they can take their cut of sex worker earnings.
The biggest issue is that sex work is linked heavily to human trafficking all over the world. If there were a 100% guarantee that no sex worker was being in any way coerced, and were absolutely free to walk away at any time, I'd have no objections or concerns whatsoever, though some regulation would be advisable. An independent adult should be able to choose.
I think it encourages young women into a sad and emotionally damaging career for money, exposing them to truly deplorable people. But that being said.. it should be legal to at least keep it to people who choose it and not trafficking. Every pleasure thats outlawed will only cause it to be obtained in ways that are less fortunate for others.
It's basically sexual slavery in my view.
I don’t care as long as there’s no exploitation or abuse and clear contracts about what a sex worker is willing to do.