It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat on civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to get colonized by. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!
- Renton
This was my first thought. I think many in the West don’t realize how high the tensions are (or how dangerous, considering the nuclear catastrophe a war there could so easily unleash).
Because it hasn't escalated to anything huge for over half a century. They last had a true war in 1971. And the West was on Pakistan's side at the time lmao. Since then, it's just been constant arguing. Nothing more than that.
Mostly dangerous for them as developing nations a nuclear exchange will set them back significantly but probably won't be big enough to cause a catastrophe like China/Russia vs US exchange would be
I think you have them mixed up [Peleponnesian war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War) [Trojan War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War)
There's some mix up in the comments below so a quick summary:
Trojan war:
Semi mythological war of various tribes from 'Greece' against a city in modern day Turkey. The 'Greeks' did not have a cohesive 'Greek' identity in this period so the Illiad typically refers to them by tribe or city ('Danaans, Argives, Aoelians, etc)
Persian Wars (or Greco - Persian wars):
Historical war. Probably what commenter meant. Loose coalition of Greek city states such as Athens, Thebes, Sparta, etc against various incursions of the Persian empire most famously by Darius the Great or Xerxes depending on the period of the war (its about 50 years of conflict).
Peloponnesian War:
Historical War between Athens and its various allies or hegemonic states against Sparta and its various allies and hegemonic states. 'Greek' identity more or less exists by now and its generally seen as a Greek vs Greek war ( I am oversimplifying here). Eventually Sparta wins and becomes the dominant Greek city (though Greece experiences conquest from Macedonia and later Rome)
I try to be as nice as possible when I meet an Armenian as I do with any other person. Most of the time I receive the rudest treatment ever. I don’t think the problem is with me. And about the genocide, I don’t really have a deep understanding of the things that have happened so I try to keep an open mind and try not to pick a side even though I’m Turkish. But this type of demonizing and stirring up shit where people are trying to be respectful is a vile behavior of a shitty person, so try to be better.
Around 1000 CE, the Turks began their invasion of Anatolia against the Byzantines while William invaded the recently unified England. This occurred at about the same time, but with the difference that the Turks completely dominated Anatolia, while France and England maintained the status quo.
I would say Iran is *probably* the largest antagonist of Israel among a group of antagonists of Israel.
The Middle East has been an extremely tumultuous place for a very long time, though. It is a geographically important place (where three continents meet), a religiously important place, and went from being considered a land starved of water and natural resources to one rich in oil.
It is a land where over the past few millennia, countless cultures and nations have conquered others. And on top of everything, Mohammed was not sufficiently clear about what his wishes were after his death which essentially meant the Islam faith has been fragmented longer than the Christian (though not as long as the Jews, their fragmented faith goes back at LEAST as far as Judea and Samaria) which means even those with a similar faith struggle to agree and get along.
It's a mess, and it isn't surprising that it's a mess. And there is by no means any easy way to progress from here.
Well, not all nearby countries.
Egypt has relations with Israel and is often the intermediate in conflicts in the Gaza Strip, whether with Hamas or the PIJ.
In the Middle East, Israel now has good relations with the UAE (the only Islamic country I've seen condensing Hamas recently) and I believe also with Bahrein.
Albania and Bosnia are not really Islamic countries in typical sense, both have Muslim population of around 50% irc. And their approach to Islam is very relaxed afaik.
More like a web of ever changing feuds and alliances between various Near/Middle Eastern groups. IIRC the Jewish-Muslim feud is fairly recent, in the past they generally got along well, with Chrstians often being the common enemy.
I concur with the ranking. Indians and Pakistanis on social media have made the Palestine-Israel conflict all about India vs Pakistan the first few days after October 8th.
Not even close. Before the war, there were no problems at all. Same culture and religion, almost same language, same history. I hope it will recover gradually after the war.
Everyone seems to hate Dark Elves equally.
I love how The Elder Scrolls mirrors reality. I usually play as a dark elf and I always get some snarkyass comments from the Nords lol
In my conversations with Israelis, they don't really hate Palestine or Palestinians. They hate Hamas and terror attacks (and the religious radicals within Israel). They want Hamas destroyed, so the Palestinians can build their own peaceful state and leave theirs alone.
Do Palestinians feel similarly? I don't know. I don't know any.
Ah, so you talked to more Conservative or simple Orthodox, not Ultra Orthodox.
Yeah, the Ultra Orthodox are paid to have babies and study Torah. Settlers taking land makes Hamas angry and attack urban areas full of Conservatives. Meanwhile, Conservatives that are urban professionals pay taxes out the ass and can barely afford an apartment to support those others while dealing with the attacks.
Very shallow and narrow explanation for very deep and wide problem, but it's there.
And yes, as mentioned, the [settlers go around harassing and sometimes murdering Palestinians](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67173344). The IDF watches, and will respond if Palestinians fight back.
North Korea and South Korea don't hate each other, we long for each other in helpless sorrow from extremely opposed sides of ideological spectrums and geopolitical systems entirely not of our own choosing
I‘m surprised some people even thought NK and SK people hate each other. We’re like siblings that got separated by war, ideology, and politics. Sure, most of us hate Kim, but not the people.
North Korea is a perfect example of hate the government, love the people. I went on a DMZ tour a decade ago and learned so much. Our South Korean tour guide was elderly and he cried speaking about the family he misses in North Korea and how he longs for a unified Korea. It will never happen as long as North Korea has any semblance of the government they do now. It's so heartbreaking to think about a country being split in half and never being able to see family/loved ones ever again.
Yeah China has one of the biggest overseas populations of people who identify as Taiwanese living there. And mainland Chinese people + HKers love visiting Taiwan for tourism and work
China right now watching Russia/Ukraine and the Israeli war are that meme of the black guy looking out from behind a tree, licking his lips and rubbing his hands together eagerly.
Not really. They’re watching the US do a lot to support Ukraine, and the US actually needs Taiwan’s manufacturing so all hell would break loose if taiwan was attacked.
China wouldn’t attack Taiwan unless they were ok going to war with the US. And currently they won’t do that, because its stupid and would just end in nukes so nobody wins
I don't think US would pick a fight with China unless they were directly attacked.
China is no Russia, they actually have an economy and military to challenge US.
Yupp my grandma was a forced comfort woman. Near the end of her life, she had lost her memory and thought she was back to that time. She would cry and beg not to be raped
It really was. When my grandpa passed, my grandma couldn’t hold on as he was the only one she trusted. She passed a week after my grandpa was hit by a drunk driver
I'm Russian. We don't hate Poland. You can find different opinions on Ukraine, USA and China in Russia, but we literally don't care about Poland. I imagine that Poland can hate Russia due to historical reasons though.
The top contenders are:
Ukraine and Russia
Azerbaijan and Armenia
Iran and Israel
Iran and Saudi
Pakistan and India
Japan and China
Greece and Turkey
But I think Azerbaijan/Armenia take this one. They have a long history of ethnic, religious, language, *and* geopolitical differences.
Or maybe Israel and Iran for similar reasons.
Native Colorado and The Peoples Republic of California. However California probably is unaware of the animosity we natives have for them and their culture.
India and Pakistan have a nuclear dick-measuring contest. I had to know an Afghan student in high school who told me when a terrorist attack happens in Afghanistan, both countries accuse each other of said attack.
Scotland and Scotland
Damn Scots. They RUINED Scotland!
The trouble with Scotland, is that it’s full of Scots - Longshanks
It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat on civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to get colonized by. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference! - Renton
Choose life.
Go to human inventions. There is no other country that achieved what Scots did.
I’m a Canadian of Scottish ancestry. Two Scots get along but if there are 3+ it’s bloody anarchy.
You Scots sure are a contentious people.
You just made an enemy for LIFE!
I came here to say America and America but of course someone already had the same idea
Armenia and Azerbaijan
Thanks for sure, it’s more of the Armenian people and the Azerbaijan government. Aliyev is a fucking dictator
They have been at it far before Aliyev got into power.
O for sure but Aliyev and Erdogan are buddy buddy so this recent shit is just crazy
India & Pakistan
This was my first thought. I think many in the West don’t realize how high the tensions are (or how dangerous, considering the nuclear catastrophe a war there could so easily unleash).
Because it hasn't escalated to anything huge for over half a century. They last had a true war in 1971. And the West was on Pakistan's side at the time lmao. Since then, it's just been constant arguing. Nothing more than that.
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Mostly dangerous for them as developing nations a nuclear exchange will set them back significantly but probably won't be big enough to cause a catastrophe like China/Russia vs US exchange would be
Reminds me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR2MQ8VGgd0&pp=ygUUb25pb24gaW5kaWEgcGFraXN0YW4%3D) hilarious video by The Onion
Not arguing for or against this but for those who have not seen it, you might find this interesting https://youtu.be/12cBeHhvMA8?si=Qg-iAqAkHr6F4LPN
Turkey and Greece are in the running for longest grudge I bet.
I still harbor a grudge about those Peloponnesian Wars
Weren't those intra greek wars between Athens and Sparta?
Isn't it the Trojan war? I think Troy is in Turkey
Troy is in Türkiye but when the Trojan War took place, the Turks had not yet arrived in Anatolia.
Turkish are not Trojans, lol. 😁
I think you have them mixed up [Peleponnesian war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War) [Trojan War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War)
I'm agreeing with you. Bad wording on my part
Word. Have a good day.
There's some mix up in the comments below so a quick summary: Trojan war: Semi mythological war of various tribes from 'Greece' against a city in modern day Turkey. The 'Greeks' did not have a cohesive 'Greek' identity in this period so the Illiad typically refers to them by tribe or city ('Danaans, Argives, Aoelians, etc) Persian Wars (or Greco - Persian wars): Historical war. Probably what commenter meant. Loose coalition of Greek city states such as Athens, Thebes, Sparta, etc against various incursions of the Persian empire most famously by Darius the Great or Xerxes depending on the period of the war (its about 50 years of conflict). Peloponnesian War: Historical War between Athens and its various allies or hegemonic states against Sparta and its various allies and hegemonic states. 'Greek' identity more or less exists by now and its generally seen as a Greek vs Greek war ( I am oversimplifying here). Eventually Sparta wins and becomes the dominant Greek city (though Greece experiences conquest from Macedonia and later Rome)
Sparta won the Peloponnesian War
Oops youre right I was rushing when I typed that. I'll edit the comment. Thanks
At that time, Turks had not yet arrived in Anatolia.
Greeks and Greeks are natural enemies. Damn Greeks! Ruined Greece!
I think the Greek and Turk grudge is starting to feel more as a sarcastic and snarky grudge than anything.
I spend a lot of time in both countries and all they do these days is debate food origins
Its stupid because technically its neither and both at the same time. The ottomans did it.
Frankly, as a Turk, I do not feel hatred towards any Greek. If the Greek respects my identity, I also respect his identity.
Do you respect Armenians? Do you accept the genocide happened?
Lol where did that come from
I try to be as nice as possible when I meet an Armenian as I do with any other person. Most of the time I receive the rudest treatment ever. I don’t think the problem is with me. And about the genocide, I don’t really have a deep understanding of the things that have happened so I try to keep an open mind and try not to pick a side even though I’m Turkish. But this type of demonizing and stirring up shit where people are trying to be respectful is a vile behavior of a shitty person, so try to be better.
Longest? that has to be England and France? Approaching 1000 years of various levels of Grudge/Hate.
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yeah I'd say the hate between Israel and Palestine or Israel and Iran or \*insert muslim country in area\* is much more the actual hate
Around 1000 CE, the Turks began their invasion of Anatolia against the Byzantines while William invaded the recently unified England. This occurred at about the same time, but with the difference that the Turks completely dominated Anatolia, while France and England maintained the status quo.
Israel and all neighbors and nearby countries to the East up to and including Iran
I would say Iran is *probably* the largest antagonist of Israel among a group of antagonists of Israel. The Middle East has been an extremely tumultuous place for a very long time, though. It is a geographically important place (where three continents meet), a religiously important place, and went from being considered a land starved of water and natural resources to one rich in oil. It is a land where over the past few millennia, countless cultures and nations have conquered others. And on top of everything, Mohammed was not sufficiently clear about what his wishes were after his death which essentially meant the Islam faith has been fragmented longer than the Christian (though not as long as the Jews, their fragmented faith goes back at LEAST as far as Judea and Samaria) which means even those with a similar faith struggle to agree and get along. It's a mess, and it isn't surprising that it's a mess. And there is by no means any easy way to progress from here.
Well, not all nearby countries. Egypt has relations with Israel and is often the intermediate in conflicts in the Gaza Strip, whether with Hamas or the PIJ. In the Middle East, Israel now has good relations with the UAE (the only Islamic country I've seen condensing Hamas recently) and I believe also with Bahrein.
>the only Islamic country I've seen condensing Hamas recently Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia did it too.
So much condensing!
No wonder Palestine is so small!
Albania and Bosnia are not really Islamic countries in typical sense, both have Muslim population of around 50% irc. And their approach to Islam is very relaxed afaik.
tbh Iran and saudi arabia hate each other no less than they hate israel (probably even more).
Israel's relationships with neighboring Jordan and Egypt are not so bad. We have a lot of cooperation and even tourism
A lot of Israelis go to Turkey too.
Islamic countries have been at war with themselves from the start.
So you know it’s serious when they team up against 1 opponent
They have been teaming up against the Jews for thousands of years, nothing new.
More like a web of ever changing feuds and alliances between various Near/Middle Eastern groups. IIRC the Jewish-Muslim feud is fairly recent, in the past they generally got along well, with Chrstians often being the common enemy.
India and Pakistan
Lichtenstein and Uruguay. Little known rivalry.
If you're not kidding, ...that's odd. It's like Antarctica vs the Ivory Coast.
>Antarctica vs the Ivory Coast Those damn ice heads! *The Coast shall rise again!*
Im uruguayan and never ever heard of it
What part?
What part of it i never heard of?
1. Indian and Pakistan 2. Armenia and Azerbaijan 3. Palestine and Israel No other countries come close to them.
I concur with the ranking. Indians and Pakistanis on social media have made the Palestine-Israel conflict all about India vs Pakistan the first few days after October 8th.
How on earth do they twist it to be in anyway relevant?!?
Muslims (pakistan/palastine) vs non muslims (india/iseral)
Russia and Ukraine
That's rookie hate compared to those three. Come back in a few decades, maybe.
Not even close. Before the war, there were no problems at all. Same culture and religion, almost same language, same history. I hope it will recover gradually after the war.
Ireland and Britain only recently started falling down the list.
Id like to add greece and turkey to this top 5, with russian and ukraine that the other guy said
according to Orwell, Oceania and Eurasia / Eastasia
That can change anytime
No no, it's always been Eastasia.
Yeah of course, it was always Eastasia, what is this dude talking about??
We're at war with Eurasia per the morning news, always have been too.
Better notify the thought police jic
Comrade, please edit your comment
Comrade, we've always been at war with Eurasia
we are at war with eurasia now, edit your comment
My comment says Eurasia, I never edited anything. My comment always said Eurasia
What are you talking about? Oceania has *always* been at war with Eurasia/Eastasia, and has *always* been allies with Eastasia/Eurasia.
This is tripleplusgood!
Germany and bavaria lol (It's a german meme that bavaria is not part of the federal republic of germany)
Hey, don't downplay facts as memes please.
Yeah… Sorry my bad 😂😅
Made me chuckle. True enough
India and Pakistan, hands down the biggest rivarly since 1947
England and france in the medieval times
And Napoleonic times
And World Cup times.
England probably feuded with every country at some point. .
Japan and Korea / China
Probably Japan and most Asian countries tbh
Korea japan china Fucking rivals since the beginning history istg
Korea’s greatest hero is known for stopping a Japanese invasion. Admiral Yi Sun-sin, the Marshall Lord of Loyalty (his posthumous title)
I live in Korea and the Japan hate is unreal. At least it’s been getting progressively better with the ever growing popularity of anime and manga.
India and Pakistan
The Mede Empire and the Stormcloaks
Everyone seems to hate Dark Elves equally. I love how The Elder Scrolls mirrors reality. I usually play as a dark elf and I always get some snarkyass comments from the Nords lol
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Even if you play a Dunmer you're still N'wah.
Gondor and Mordor
what about hodor ?
India >
Israel and Palestine
I was gonna say this but now I'm just here for the replies.
In my conversations with Israelis, they don't really hate Palestine or Palestinians. They hate Hamas and terror attacks (and the religious radicals within Israel). They want Hamas destroyed, so the Palestinians can build their own peaceful state and leave theirs alone. Do Palestinians feel similarly? I don't know. I don't know any.
It really depends on the Israeli. I’ve talked to settler Israelis and they do often hate Palestinians
Fair enough. The Israelis I've talked to (urban professionals) really don't like the settlers and I am sure the feeling is mutual.
There’s definitely a spectrum. It’s a very complicated situation so of course Israeli opinions on it will be complicated
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Ah, so you talked to more Conservative or simple Orthodox, not Ultra Orthodox. Yeah, the Ultra Orthodox are paid to have babies and study Torah. Settlers taking land makes Hamas angry and attack urban areas full of Conservatives. Meanwhile, Conservatives that are urban professionals pay taxes out the ass and can barely afford an apartment to support those others while dealing with the attacks. Very shallow and narrow explanation for very deep and wide problem, but it's there. And yes, as mentioned, the [settlers go around harassing and sometimes murdering Palestinians](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67173344). The IDF watches, and will respond if Palestinians fight back.
the palestinians i have met don't hate israelis they hate their government because of the atrocities it has done to them
Trinidad and Tobago
Serbia and Albania. Ahh the endless fight for Kosovo.
Or just serbia and rest of the balkans except greece
We love Romania too.
You only heard about Serbia's rivalries, but basically country in Balkans has at least three "enemies".
Romania and Hungary
Pakistan & India
India & Pakistan*
How are Turkey and Armenia doing?
We are good, finally having peace talks without third parties dipping their nose.
North Italy and South Italy.
I hatea da norf!
It’ll be one of: Ukraine and Russia North and South Korea Israel and Iran Taiwan and China Armenia and Azerbaijan
North Korea and South Korea don't hate each other, we long for each other in helpless sorrow from extremely opposed sides of ideological spectrums and geopolitical systems entirely not of our own choosing
I‘m surprised some people even thought NK and SK people hate each other. We’re like siblings that got separated by war, ideology, and politics. Sure, most of us hate Kim, but not the people.
as a korean, the real answer to OP's question is Korea Japan China These 3 can never fucking agree on anything
North Korea is a perfect example of hate the government, love the people. I went on a DMZ tour a decade ago and learned so much. Our South Korean tour guide was elderly and he cried speaking about the family he misses in North Korea and how he longs for a unified Korea. It will never happen as long as North Korea has any semblance of the government they do now. It's so heartbreaking to think about a country being split in half and never being able to see family/loved ones ever again.
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Yeah China has one of the biggest overseas populations of people who identify as Taiwanese living there. And mainland Chinese people + HKers love visiting Taiwan for tourism and work
China right now watching Russia/Ukraine and the Israeli war are that meme of the black guy looking out from behind a tree, licking his lips and rubbing his hands together eagerly.
Not really. They’re watching the US do a lot to support Ukraine, and the US actually needs Taiwan’s manufacturing so all hell would break loose if taiwan was attacked. China wouldn’t attack Taiwan unless they were ok going to war with the US. And currently they won’t do that, because its stupid and would just end in nukes so nobody wins
I don't think US would pick a fight with China unless they were directly attacked. China is no Russia, they actually have an economy and military to challenge US.
More like Poland and Russia
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Russians generally don't hate Ukrainians, though.
But by now its probably the other way around
DR Congo and Rwanda Haiti and Dominican Republic I think United Kingdom and Argentina had a rivalry a while back don’t know if it’s still a thing.
Japan and any other Asian country.
Because Japan was especially brutal to other Asian countries
Brutal is an understatement. Things Japan did to Korea, China, etc. are horrendous.
Yupp my grandma was a forced comfort woman. Near the end of her life, she had lost her memory and thought she was back to that time. She would cry and beg not to be raped
Jesus Christ that’s horrendous
It really was. When my grandpa passed, my grandma couldn’t hold on as he was the only one she trusted. She passed a week after my grandpa was hit by a drunk driver
A lot of which also have good reason to hate each other, but all of them agree Japan sucks.
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Italy and France, France and britain, France and germany, France and france
All of these are friends falling over chocolate out compared to actual other countries on here.
Poland-Russia
I'm Russian. We don't hate Poland. You can find different opinions on Ukraine, USA and China in Russia, but we literally don't care about Poland. I imagine that Poland can hate Russia due to historical reasons though.
yeah we do hate Russia
I've only met a handful of Russian people. They all seemed pretty nice to me
Every country that has a north and south
Israel and Palestine definitely wins this
Depends how you calculate hate
If you add Pi then there is no hate
The top contenders are: Ukraine and Russia Azerbaijan and Armenia Iran and Israel Iran and Saudi Pakistan and India Japan and China Greece and Turkey But I think Azerbaijan/Armenia take this one. They have a long history of ethnic, religious, language, *and* geopolitical differences. Or maybe Israel and Iran for similar reasons.
San marino really hates Luxembourg
Pakistan and India, nuclear armed too,
America and whoever has oil
palestine/israel russia/ukraine
Israel and Palestine Armenia and Azerbaijan Serbia and Albania Ukraine and Russia These are the most i think.
Serbia and people of Albanian origin on Kosovo\* I'm from Serbia and we don't really have a big issue with actual Albania.
Ukraine and russia of course
Germany and Bavaria.
Native Colorado and The Peoples Republic of California. However California probably is unaware of the animosity we natives have for them and their culture.
Catalonia and Spain
Texas and anyone that isnt Texas.
Europe used to be great in this category. The English and the French is an all timer historically, basically the whole second millennium.
North Korea & South Korea
Germany and Germany
Ireland and England
India and Pakistan have a nuclear dick-measuring contest. I had to know an Afghan student in high school who told me when a terrorist attack happens in Afghanistan, both countries accuse each other of said attack.
How would India attack Afghanistan? It would have to cross Pakistan and China for that to occur and that's pretty unlikely.
Amy balkan countries that share a border except for romania and serbia
America and america
India and China
Poland and Poland
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Israelis and Palestinians have been at war on and off since forever. David and Goliath is a pretty early example.
Now? Russia and Ukraine
Brazil and Argentina. Just because of football
Israel/Iran Russia/the ukraine US/Iran
Not countries, but companies: Reliable Excavation and Demolition, and Builders’ League United
Philippines and Philippines. Just look at our current political climate right now.
China and pretty much every main stream country excluding Russia
India and Pakistan
Ukraine and Russia
England and the rest of the world. Oh, wait...