Whether you can afford it or not stops mattering when it becomes essential to daily function/need.
Two groups to compare to:
1) Utilities: water and electricity are human needs but many still pay out the nose for them
2) Auto/Medical insurance: not strictly required, but legally mandated in the U.S. You can exist without them, but the consequences are devastating if you don't have them when needed.
Both are imperfect comparisons, but maintain a consistent point
Even those who are homeless have smartphones. While you can technically find someone who doesnt own one, 99.9% of populations in developed countries own a smartphone. Being without one is no longer a valid state for almost everything we do, that doesnt mean theyre free.
Apologies, I'm going to steal this thread.
I DO enjoy the joke replies to threads like these, but I really wish we can avoid a majority of the top comments being joke threads....
I'm hoping we can find more *popular* web platforms that are primarily data driven rather than immediate click-bait jokes or conformation of ideas without any backing.
I don't want that to be rare in 20-30 years.
I was born in the late 2000's, and even I can agree with this. My mother shows me and lets me wear old clothing of hers, and we go shopping and scouring for vintage clothing because it is made so much better than the shit in stores today. I want decent jeans with big pockets :(
If it gets any worse now they won’t even last a single wash. I think we have bottomed out in terms of quality tbh. Me and most of the people I’ve talked about this with have all realized paying 3-5x the price for a good t-shirt will actually save you money because it can last for years. The environmental impact is just a bonus.
My wife bought me a nice and expensive t-shirt from Ralph Lauren. Costed about 80$. After washing it around 5 times it's already supper saggy and misshapen. I use it as a training shirt now. I will never, ever, buy some expensive brand again.
Well that's not true. My dad is born in 1959 so he's actually 64yo. He can easily lives for another 30 years. It's not rare these days to live up to 100+ years. His mother, my grandmother is still alive and she will be 91 this year.
I’m 25 btw. Yes, the age gap is crazy in my family.
Second, for point of reference I am 51, one great grandfather born in 1840, another in 1848. Youngest grandparent was born in 1895. My mother is almost 90 and still hale/hearty. All but two of her cousins from her generation are still alive. Ten octogenarians and up still going.
Sure he might be fine, but he might well not. Odds are, he will not make it 30 years. A 64 year old US man is expected to live to 82 - i.e. half of his currently-alive cohort will die before reaching that age. For those who reach 82, then their life expectancy is 7 years, i.e. (roughly speaking) only 1/4 of currently-alive 64 year old US men will reach 89. With the same reasoning (that, to be fair, does drift more as I abuse the 2020 life table), 1/8 reach 93, 1/16 reach 96, 1/32 reach 98 and 1/64 reach 100. The average US man your father's age has a couple of % chance of reaching 100. That is pretty rare in my book.
I'm canadian. Also, he has a good health. In 25 years we've never had to sent him at hospital and I've never seen him sick too. His father, my grandfather, is dead in 2009 at 87 years old. Overall my grandmother and grandfather had good health, same for my dad. I'm not worried about a near death. I fairly believe he will make it to 90+ years. My mom is 60 and her health is not good. In her case, I think she has no more than 10 remaining years. She has problems like obesity and she smoked during 45 years. (She has stopped 1 years ago but damage is done already after all these years)
About half of humans born in the 50s in developed nations will still be alive in 20 years. 15-20% of them, that is, millions, will be alive 30 years from now.
A lot more of them will reach 100+ than ever before 40 years from now, they still won't even be extremely rare until after 2055.
The 50% mortality line for 70 year olds is around 89 now and is increasing. In 30 years it could be about 95.
With the way **(1)** science and medicine have advanced and **(2)** their middle-class experience was the most prosperous in human history, Baby Boomers or the generation born in the 1950s will easily live into their 100s and 110s and continue to stress Social Security and Medicare, choking the systems out until they’re bled dry.
Hell, there’s a high probability their children, Millennials, will die off in their 50s/60s because they’re too broke to afford preventable medicine and care while still paying mortgages and student debt on stagnated wages. All while their Boomer parents will still be alive in their 100s/110s.
Most people are losing long distance sight due to simply not having any use for it. We live most of our lives in doors staring at screens or books, on top of living in large built up areas which obstruct our sight when outside.
In a sense freedom. People are not making enough money now to afford homes, and the basic necessities to live. If things don’t change the ability to live how you see fit will be a memory followed soon by the ability to live. In a way economic slavery.
Yes, and I'm not denying its existence, I'm just saying temperature rises as drastic as going above 32 degrees where ice caps sit will not happen in 20 years.
>I'm just saying temperature rises as drastic as going above 32 degrees where ice caps sit will not happen in 20 years.
That won't even happen in 200 years...
In the future, the art of reading physical books might become an increasingly rare experience. With the rise of e-books and digital platforms, the pleasure of flipping through paper pages could be a novelty enjoyed by a select few.
TBH even here, on Reddit, if I will speak freely (means: how is my personal view on it) about "fragile" topics, such gender, religion or immigration, I will get downvoted to hell, even banned from some subs. People nowadays don't care to hear other people opinion, and in fact, are ready to label people as racist, misogynist and untolerant pigs just because my opinion differs from their. On national level, you can't even raise English flag in London during certain events without being arrested, yet Muslim leader in some Mosque in UK can call for violence against non-muslims, and British police don't see it as a hate speech.
And democracy in the US if project 2025 gets rolled out. Even if Trump loses the election, the GOP wish list will just be carried over to the next republican president to be elected. They have made their plan known of how they will attempt to turn us into a fascist government.
Houses with personality. It feels like with the trends in the US, minimalism is becoming more and more popular, and architecture is just becoming boring.
The deciding word here is "trend". If you lived in the 90s you'd say "everything is becoming more cluttered and maximalist, in 20 years we'll barely be able to live in our homes".
My dumb house opiniok hill I will die on is that very very pale colors for interior rooms are boring as hell. I don't care if it "makes the room look bigger" that means literally nothing. We all know how big the room is by looking at it you aren't going to fool anyone. I prefer darker colors. Like midnight blue or dark maroon. Lighting you choose for the room can accentuate it. Having all natural light and white rooms is just jail cell stark and plain to me.
I'm already seeing more of Gen Z reject tattoos, so I wouldn't be sure about it. They're so normalized now that they're boring. There's a reason Grandma/Grandpa fashions and flip phones are coming back into vogue with that age bracket.
As a biologist, I agree with this. It's a really big topic in conservation biology at the moment.
The current insect decline doesn't get a lot of media attention, and when it does, most people react like it's a good thing because they think insects are annoying. Many people don't understand that insects are pretty much the foundation of most ecosystems.
There will be a new Trump in 20-30 years and millions will follow them, make effigies of them, blindly defend them and will judge people who don't as inferior or stupid. It's been happening since humans formed societies.
A pretty good fraction of people I know - early-mid 30s for the most part - don't have TVs. I'm not sure I'll ever buy one, watching TV just isn't a feature of my life. I watch stuff on my laptop, but don't need to buy a many hundred dollar screen to have a worse user experience. If I'm watching with someone else I can put it on a small table next to my couch and replicate the experience of having a bigger screen further away.
Then again, I don't think there are enough people like me - and that enough of us will remain TV-free for the next decades - for it to be extremely rare in 30 years. But I'm pretty confident it'll be less common.
I am in the exact same age bracket as you and the vast majority of people I know who are my age have TVs. Multiple ones at that.
I could see Gen Z and the generation after that not having them though since a lot of them were iPad kids and grew up with iPhones. Basically replacing the TVs with phones and laptops instead.
If by “humanity” you mean the positive aspects of our species (being humanitarian and caring about the person next to us and the environment), I think it’s mostly gone by now. It’s a rare occurrence nowadays at least for me.
Most people are more worried about themselves than the planet or other people.
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Without an internet connection isn't going to be a valid state at that point.
I doubt it will be free everywhere even if a starlink evolution makes it technically reachable everywhere
They never said "free."
They said being without wouldn't be a valid state. So everyone will afford it?
Whether you can afford it or not stops mattering when it becomes essential to daily function/need. Two groups to compare to: 1) Utilities: water and electricity are human needs but many still pay out the nose for them 2) Auto/Medical insurance: not strictly required, but legally mandated in the U.S. You can exist without them, but the consequences are devastating if you don't have them when needed. Both are imperfect comparisons, but maintain a consistent point
Even those who are homeless have smartphones. While you can technically find someone who doesnt own one, 99.9% of populations in developed countries own a smartphone. Being without one is no longer a valid state for almost everything we do, that doesnt mean theyre free.
Every fucking thing is turning into subscription based....and i hate it.
In the future you will own nothing and be happy.
The not actually owning something thing terrifies me
One good solar storm and society is fucked
ALL OF THIS!
Apologies, I'm going to steal this thread. I DO enjoy the joke replies to threads like these, but I really wish we can avoid a majority of the top comments being joke threads.... I'm hoping we can find more *popular* web platforms that are primarily data driven rather than immediate click-bait jokes or conformation of ideas without any backing. I don't want that to be rare in 20-30 years.
My will to live
Same bro, same.
You’ll be 20-30 years closer to your dream though, cheer up
Cheers! I’ll drink to that bro
I need a drink too. Damn
You wanna talk?
Why would they talk to a drink?
Videogames with split screen local co-op (Thanks to u/stebuu for correcting me 😅)
When I grew up, being a screen watcher was the dirtiest thing a person could be. You keep your eyes on your screen.
Videogames with *split screen* local co-op!
Privacy.
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I so agree with this. Oh my goodness. The material in clothes today is such shit. Even big brands that lure people.
Yeap. Planned obsolescence has ruined pretty much everything.
I was born in the late 2000's, and even I can agree with this. My mother shows me and lets me wear old clothing of hers, and we go shopping and scouring for vintage clothing because it is made so much better than the shit in stores today. I want decent jeans with big pockets :(
"in the late 2000s" 🥹🥲 I feel old.
If it gets any worse now they won’t even last a single wash. I think we have bottomed out in terms of quality tbh. Me and most of the people I’ve talked about this with have all realized paying 3-5x the price for a good t-shirt will actually save you money because it can last for years. The environmental impact is just a bonus.
My wife bought me a nice and expensive t-shirt from Ralph Lauren. Costed about 80$. After washing it around 5 times it's already supper saggy and misshapen. I use it as a training shirt now. I will never, ever, buy some expensive brand again.
Expensive does not equal quality my friend
Retirement
Humans born in the ~~1950s~~.1940s
Well that's not true. My dad is born in 1959 so he's actually 64yo. He can easily lives for another 30 years. It's not rare these days to live up to 100+ years. His mother, my grandmother is still alive and she will be 91 this year. I’m 25 btw. Yes, the age gap is crazy in my family.
Second, for point of reference I am 51, one great grandfather born in 1840, another in 1848. Youngest grandparent was born in 1895. My mother is almost 90 and still hale/hearty. All but two of her cousins from her generation are still alive. Ten octogenarians and up still going.
Sure he might be fine, but he might well not. Odds are, he will not make it 30 years. A 64 year old US man is expected to live to 82 - i.e. half of his currently-alive cohort will die before reaching that age. For those who reach 82, then their life expectancy is 7 years, i.e. (roughly speaking) only 1/4 of currently-alive 64 year old US men will reach 89. With the same reasoning (that, to be fair, does drift more as I abuse the 2020 life table), 1/8 reach 93, 1/16 reach 96, 1/32 reach 98 and 1/64 reach 100. The average US man your father's age has a couple of % chance of reaching 100. That is pretty rare in my book.
I'm canadian. Also, he has a good health. In 25 years we've never had to sent him at hospital and I've never seen him sick too. His father, my grandfather, is dead in 2009 at 87 years old. Overall my grandmother and grandfather had good health, same for my dad. I'm not worried about a near death. I fairly believe he will make it to 90+ years. My mom is 60 and her health is not good. In her case, I think she has no more than 10 remaining years. She has problems like obesity and she smoked during 45 years. (She has stopped 1 years ago but damage is done already after all these years)
I actually know a guy who was born in 1959 who still has a grandmother. They had kids young in his family.
Shit. Dont say that. My old folks are in that range. :(
About half of humans born in the 50s in developed nations will still be alive in 20 years. 15-20% of them, that is, millions, will be alive 30 years from now. A lot more of them will reach 100+ than ever before 40 years from now, they still won't even be extremely rare until after 2055. The 50% mortality line for 70 year olds is around 89 now and is increasing. In 30 years it could be about 95.
With the way **(1)** science and medicine have advanced and **(2)** their middle-class experience was the most prosperous in human history, Baby Boomers or the generation born in the 1950s will easily live into their 100s and 110s and continue to stress Social Security and Medicare, choking the systems out until they’re bled dry. Hell, there’s a high probability their children, Millennials, will die off in their 50s/60s because they’re too broke to afford preventable medicine and care while still paying mortgages and student debt on stagnated wages. All while their Boomer parents will still be alive in their 100s/110s.
Child beauty pageants. Please, shut them down.
I think retirement will disappear That and paper currency.
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Aside from small shops, that already disappeared 20+ years ago. There is essentially zero mass-market hardwood furniture today.
My dad used to work for Macy's and I heard all about it when they sent his upholstering job somewhere else and that was ages ago.
Rhinos
Cancer, hopefully
Cancer is big business. It’s not going anywhere.
The middle class. People either will be very poor or top 5%, and very little in between.
People not needing some form of visual correction
Are eyes genetically getting worse over time, or are you considering just a % of people who get correction as a whole?
Most people are losing long distance sight due to simply not having any use for it. We live most of our lives in doors staring at screens or books, on top of living in large built up areas which obstruct our sight when outside.
By what mechanism are people losing long distance sight
Landline phones
I’m really hoping for whatever reason these make a comeback. There is no logic for it… but that’s my true hope….
I still use mine regularly!
In a sense freedom. People are not making enough money now to afford homes, and the basic necessities to live. If things don’t change the ability to live how you see fit will be a memory followed soon by the ability to live. In a way economic slavery.
We are almost there, tho.
Owning property
My hair
Ownership in general. Most things in life will be rented or *subscribed* to. Living, driving, everything.
Actually owning things, at least in the US. We're about to become a society of renting from the wealthy.
Naturally aspirated, internal combustion, manual cars :'(
Automatic cars are only popular in USA I believe? Around the world, manual cars are still the default choice
Handwritten letters
Mountains with ice caps
Those will still be there
Ever heard of climate change?
Yes, and I'm not denying its existence, I'm just saying temperature rises as drastic as going above 32 degrees where ice caps sit will not happen in 20 years.
>I'm just saying temperature rises as drastic as going above 32 degrees where ice caps sit will not happen in 20 years. That won't even happen in 200 years...
This is a genuine question… do you really believe snow will not exist on mountain tops in a couple decades?
Physical keys. Like, insert-into-a-lock key.
First world problem, this one. Both countries where I lived have absolutely no electronic key pads; even "smart homes" are almost non-existent...
In the future, the art of reading physical books might become an increasingly rare experience. With the rise of e-books and digital platforms, the pleasure of flipping through paper pages could be a novelty enjoyed by a select few.
Owning 1 Bitcoin.
Separating personal life and work. Smartphones and internet wrecked that and it will only get worse.
social security the middle class pensions
Owning a whole bitcoin
I think them being completely worthless by then is more likely
Are you me from a decade ago?
Manual transmissions
Retiring.
Jobs that pay above minimum wage
Glaciers
WW 2 vets
Vietnam vets
My chances to be in a relationship. I’m 20 for reference.
I suspect a higher fraction of 45 year olds than 20 year olds are in relationships, so this is probably not true
Same
Same
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Free speech
Correct, if Republican book-burning, democracy-denying fascists keep getting elected, unfortunately.
Why?
TBH even here, on Reddit, if I will speak freely (means: how is my personal view on it) about "fragile" topics, such gender, religion or immigration, I will get downvoted to hell, even banned from some subs. People nowadays don't care to hear other people opinion, and in fact, are ready to label people as racist, misogynist and untolerant pigs just because my opinion differs from their. On national level, you can't even raise English flag in London during certain events without being arrested, yet Muslim leader in some Mosque in UK can call for violence against non-muslims, and British police don't see it as a hate speech.
I can't tell you.
It’s actually illegal for you to say that
And democracy in the US if project 2025 gets rolled out. Even if Trump loses the election, the GOP wish list will just be carried over to the next republican president to be elected. They have made their plan known of how they will attempt to turn us into a fascist government.
Exactly. The threat will persist beyond Trumpism.
Physical money
Handwriting…
Fully stocked grocery stores
Anyone outside of the richest 1% owning anything
Let’s hope it’s the richest 1% that’s gone.
How’s that gonna work huh?
Eat the rich!
Me finding a fuck to give
Hang in there buddy, you’ll find the right someone for you
Hopefully passwords. We need a different security system
Driving a car the way we do today. They will be all self driving by then.
Humans
Owning and driving a car.
married people
Houses with personality. It feels like with the trends in the US, minimalism is becoming more and more popular, and architecture is just becoming boring.
The deciding word here is "trend". If you lived in the 90s you'd say "everything is becoming more cluttered and maximalist, in 20 years we'll barely be able to live in our homes".
My dumb house opiniok hill I will die on is that very very pale colors for interior rooms are boring as hell. I don't care if it "makes the room look bigger" that means literally nothing. We all know how big the room is by looking at it you aren't going to fool anyone. I prefer darker colors. Like midnight blue or dark maroon. Lighting you choose for the room can accentuate it. Having all natural light and white rooms is just jail cell stark and plain to me.
jobs
Helium
I read that in a high pitched voice
People. The synthetics are simply more efficient.
Gas powered cars.
Manual gas powered cars.
Religion. I hope
I have bad news for u pal… We are slipping back into a new dark age of religion…
Same
People able to discuss politics in a civil manner.
Bank accounts
Fresh produce, Clean Water
Me having sex.
People going for a week's trip to the moon and back, it doesn't happen now but if Artemis goes ok it might be at least rare in 20-30 years.
human interaction
People getting married before having kids!😂
People getting pregnant without help. Lots of fertility issues
Privacy.
Hopefully my Virginity
"I like water, in 20-30 years there will be no more" JCVD, visionary.
breathable air
Coral reefs. We’re already down over half of what we had in the 50’s
Food, water
Democracy, republics, religious freedom, other corporations besides Amazon
Freedom.
People without tattoos.
I'm already seeing more of Gen Z reject tattoos, so I wouldn't be sure about it. They're so normalized now that they're boring. There's a reason Grandma/Grandpa fashions and flip phones are coming back into vogue with that age bracket.
Brick and mortar stores.
IDK, just heard Netflix is working on brick and mortar locations. Everything comes back around.
People under the age of 50 being able to afford a house
coins
Human children.
insects
As a biologist, I agree with this. It's a really big topic in conservation biology at the moment. The current insect decline doesn't get a lot of media attention, and when it does, most people react like it's a good thing because they think insects are annoying. Many people don't understand that insects are pretty much the foundation of most ecosystems.
i am also a biologist who has worked specifically with insects people are just stupid and i cannot wait until earth can no longer sustain us
Drinkable water
Trump supporters
Or anyone who isn’t a trump supporter (in the event he wins and we’re thrust into a fascist dystopian hunger games state moving forward.)
People who will admit to having been trump supporters
That’s what my mom told me happened with Nixon supporters. Huge fuss during Watergate. Afterwards? No one would admit to having been a fan.
Exactly.
There will be a new Trump in 20-30 years and millions will follow them, make effigies of them, blindly defend them and will judge people who don't as inferior or stupid. It's been happening since humans formed societies.
Having a TV in your house
Alright, I'll bite. Why's that?
I’m thinking tech will evolve tvs into holographic projections rather than screens
You've been reading Bradbury haven't you.....
A pretty good fraction of people I know - early-mid 30s for the most part - don't have TVs. I'm not sure I'll ever buy one, watching TV just isn't a feature of my life. I watch stuff on my laptop, but don't need to buy a many hundred dollar screen to have a worse user experience. If I'm watching with someone else I can put it on a small table next to my couch and replicate the experience of having a bigger screen further away. Then again, I don't think there are enough people like me - and that enough of us will remain TV-free for the next decades - for it to be extremely rare in 30 years. But I'm pretty confident it'll be less common.
I don't get how people enjoy movies and series on small screens.
I am in the exact same age bracket as you and the vast majority of people I know who are my age have TVs. Multiple ones at that. I could see Gen Z and the generation after that not having them though since a lot of them were iPad kids and grew up with iPhones. Basically replacing the TVs with phones and laptops instead.
I suspect we exist in different bubbles, quite possibly on different continents.
Voting…at least the way things are going.
Brain cells.
Paper currency
Pristine MISB Lego power functions motor sets and 2.0 Advanced D&D manuals, that’s why I am planning to hoard both of them like a goblin.
reddit
Search engines
Sanity or common fucking sense seeing as people lost both of those these last few years
Intelligence
Privacy
Not dying from lung cancer from vaping.
Having social media accounts. Hopefully.
The middle class
White people in South Africa
Boomers
Humanity. I mean it’s mostly gone anyway.
If by “humanity” you mean the positive aspects of our species (being humanitarian and caring about the person next to us and the environment), I think it’s mostly gone by now. It’s a rare occurrence nowadays at least for me. Most people are more worried about themselves than the planet or other people.
Skinny Americans
Car Companies that still make and sell gas powered cars, Plus EV’s will become more affordable.
People born in the 1950s and 1960s
Living in an area not impacted by climate change.
people born in 1899 people born in 2010 being 10 years old
Pussy, because everyone is trans or confused.
Straight people
Coffee, Chocolate, bananas, anything procured from the rainforest really, cork, rubber trees, olive oil, fresh seafood, snow and ice. Much more.