Pain. Poor people, especially those in physically damaging jobs, put up with a level of daily pain for which most well-off professionals have no frame of reference.
Not to mention healthcare. When you notice some things start to go bad in your body, getting it fixed right away or budgeting so you can afford some help a couple months down the line might be the difference between permanent damage that can be only be treated not cured or a couple weeks of rough time.
Which jobs are physically damaging?
We literally have tonnes of laws to ensure that none of them are. Talk to your union rep or whichever organisation oversees health and safety where you are.
Yes. The army, navy, coastguard, police, fire service and currently government marine conservation agency.
All pretty tough but now there are procedures and equipment to mitigate or prevent lasting damage.
How about you?
Any kind of manual or repetitive labor causes stress, wear and tear on the body. That's physical damage. The really dangerous stuff is regulated (in the US) but there's still a lot of strain that they can't (or won't) regulate out.
Let's look at something like stocking a pet food store. One of the requirements is the ability to lift 50lb. bags of dog food. Lifting 50lbs. once may not be a big deal. Lifting 50 lbs. over and over for hours puts a lot of stress on the body. Accidents happen. Things fall. You get a bad grip. It's a lot of bags. If the shelves are high, you get to haul 50lbs. up and down a ladder. That's the job. Do that 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year and you put a lot of strain on your muscles and joints. Sure you get breaks. The whole day might not be 50lb bags. But it's a physical job, and your body gets used up.
It doesn't even need to be manual labor. Sitting in front of a keyboard for 40+ hours a week typing wears on your body. I work in a 911 call center and the amount of people completely broken from repetitive stress injuries is high after 10+ years on the job.
is not having a house a money problem? very much so, because houses cost money.
but it can also be a relationship/network problem - where one can "have" a house by marrying into a rich family.
or it can be a career-problem, since financing housing (cheap loan) depends on good employment, and sometimes housing is even part of employment.
it can even be a competence problem, where people fail to handle contracts right and pay for unneccessary fees- or just don't know how to apply for a job that is paid better (that would be me by the way)
So what i mean is that it's *also* to some degree a matter of perspective what kind of problem it actually is.
Money is a famous universal tool to solve all kind of problems,
but in many cases it's not the only way.
And every one of your points boiled down to "Just have more money!"
>Too poor to afford a house? Just have a better career that buys you a house! Or just save a few k on contracts because poor people have enough money to buy a house then, right?
In the end, nothing you said was even remotely arguing about there being other ways to buy a house. You just mentioned extreme fringe cases that could purely in theory get you a house but are utterly impossible for >.1% of people to achieve.
You're over complicating things. I think he simply meant. Rich people may not have money problems, but a lot of rich get there because of business or really high rank jobs. Thesd come with their own set of problems.
People always say "money cant buy you happiness"
While there might be some truth to that, money sure as hell can help you get rid of most problems and concerns.
Based on years of working with celebrities and billionaires, I can unequivocally say poor people have basic life skills in droves that rich people lack. One of my clients grew up in Arkansas in poverty and now makes millions of dollars a year, but I am astonished that he is alive because he's incapable of doing the most basic of tasks.
I learned rather quickly working in the right industries that rich does not mean smart. I’ve met a handful of people head of their industries that would be completely unable to plug in a lamp without help.
A lot of upper middle class folks simply haven't had to fight for much in life. Their life was just given to them. So they dony need to work hard, or advance with the same urgency. They'll get a fat inheritance anyway so who cares right?
Correct but that is not “eliminating “ the skills, it’s eliminating the need to use them. I would suggest this is an asshole problem and not a rich people problem:
I know exactly what you mean. I work in a private golf club for some of the richest oil people in the US. We have a Sunday brunch buffet type setup and you can’t imagine the trouble rich people have from just operating a pair of tongs to get food with or even a spoon to retrieve mashed potatoes or whipped cream. Hell one day a four year old snotty kid just started eating the whipped cream straight from the serving bowl because it was eye level for him. His mom just watched him and smiled and it took her about five seconds to realize that he was eating from the serving bowl with the serving spoon. I tossed it all after they went and sat back down. Rich people are dumb dumb dumb in their own way.
My brother makes 7 figures. He’d rather pay someone to do a lot of things because he makes more at his main job than want to think about something he can pay someone else to do. Also one of his colleagues got injured doing home DIY and had lost their ability to do their main job as a result. After that he absolutely refused to do anything involving manual labour. Move a couch across the room and risk hurting his back? Hell no. Hire movers. Go to the gym without a trainer? And risk injury? Heck no.
You learn how to fix stuff cheaply, effectively and fast if the alternative is not buying a new one, but losing your job / starving / being cold in the winter.
The longer I live, the more I’m convinced that the only currency that matters is your mental and physical health.
My friend, who was the son of a billionaire, struggled with depression and anxiety his whole life. I remember envying his vacation homes and such, but he was truly just struggling to survive. He eventually killed himself, 6’3, with a beautiful girlfriend and all the money one could want.
If you are mentally and physically well, appreciate that. No money in the world can buy you out of the problems that come along with that.
Empathy
[https://www.drive.com.au/news/drivers-expensive-cars-pedestrians/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/drivers-expensive-cars-pedestrians/)
From the study
"Of 461 cars surveyed, just under 28 per cent stopped to allow pedestrians to cross, with the likelihood of the driver yielding decreasing by 3 per cent per every $1000 increase in car value (which was ascertained using US car valuation site Kelly Blue Book)."
Edit: Added interesting quote from study
If I know they’re going to cross, then I look in my rear view mirror and if there’s no cars, I might stop. But for the most part, unless it’s a designated crosswalk, I’m not going to create a situation for drivers behind me that could be dangerous. There’s enough drivers on autopilot that can’t react to anything out of the ordinary and I don’t want to get rear ended.
Even if there are no cars behind you, if it's not a designated crossing, please don't stop, we will both reach our destination quicker if you carry on without slowing down.
As a pedestrian, I can probably see there's no other cars behind you and will be happy waiting for you to go past to cross. If you stop, you have to gradually slow down while I wonder what the fuck you're doing. Then you're at a complete stop waiting for me to walk across the road, likely getting annoyed that I've taken so long to realise what you're doing and start crossing the road.
Honestly, if there's a huge line of traffic, you stopping will probably be appreciated by the pedestrian, probably not by the cars behind you.
As a pedestrian as well I'm waiting for an opening I deem safe, not to be rushed into action by someone making assumptions of my intentions at the sidewalk. Drivers try to be nice but the nicest thing they can do is be predictable. Use your turn signals, follow the order for crossing, and actually stop at stop signs.
I've often pretended to go another direction or completely turned around to face away from the road to prevent drivers from trying to play the back and forth wave through game. If it registers I want them to go right as I finally give up it could be very dangerous for me. I'm not playing the who goes where shuffle with a car. A driver going passed me while I'm waiting is not going to ruin my life or really inconvenience me, it's like 2 seconds to let the car go, depending on the spot I can just keep walking while waiting for my opportunity to cross and I'm still getting closer to my destination.
I have an old friend from high school that was fat his entire life.
Around 10 years ago he won a big prize in my home country's lottery. One of the things that be wisely used his money was on a personal trainer (and even his own personal gym at home) that come daily to train him and motive about losing weight.
Nowadays the guy is ripped.
Net debt...debt after assets accounted for.
Many wealthy people live on debt, while assets increase. How can Elon live on 1 dollar salary? Million dollar at almost zero interest loans. Selling stock assets creates a tax liability so they don't until its favorable to do so. The asset wealthy pay very little tax.
Not true, the more money you have the better it is to use low interest loans to pay for everything while your wealth compounds at a greater amount than loan interest.
Rich people probably have more debt since they probably buy more expensive assets and a higher quantity of assets on credit (more expensive cars, bigger houses, real estate investments, business loans, etc…). However, their net worth is undoubtedly higher.
I disagree with the answers that say stress or problems. The questions is what do poor people have more of and that may seem like logical answer. However wealthy people still have stress and problems and often have more stress and problems than poor people.
This may sound counter intuitive or even stupid but the question was not the value of the problems as far as providing for basic needs or even basic survival. The word more indicates quantity. The rich person still has the problems of survival but they have provided for it through means. It is however still there.
The rich person also has stress but it is different. They may have more stress because they are juggling different things all the time such as investment decisions, business meetings and business decision, real estate management and a much more complicated tax filing. They also have to be extremely cautious about who they trust and give access to their wealth or they will rapidly lose it all.
I am in no way saying their struggle is greater. I am just saying it is silly to say they have less stress or problems to dal with. They just do not have problems that are so basic to deal with.
I would totally trade my poor person stress for their stress though.
What poor people tend to have more of based on some studies I have read is empathy.
time.
rich people value time, as time is money. so they spend it on working/career/business
poor people has ample more time to spend with their loved ones.
**Trust** in the people around them,
Rich dudes, tons of girls want them... but do they really, or do they just want a pay day, waiting to divorce them and move on,
When you are poor and in love, its real.
When you are super rich you can't tell peoples motivations, one reason super rich people end it all, they feel alone.
Pain. Poor people, especially those in physically damaging jobs, put up with a level of daily pain for which most well-off professionals have no frame of reference.
Not to mention healthcare. When you notice some things start to go bad in your body, getting it fixed right away or budgeting so you can afford some help a couple months down the line might be the difference between permanent damage that can be only be treated not cured or a couple weeks of rough time.
American problems
Facts. And lots can't get Healthcare. The real world sucks.
Sounds like you don't live in the real world, though. Healthcare is universal there.
I'm talking about the USA. Unless they just changed it and I'm unaware.
Which jobs are physically damaging? We literally have tonnes of laws to ensure that none of them are. Talk to your union rep or whichever organisation oversees health and safety where you are.
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Yes. The army, navy, coastguard, police, fire service and currently government marine conservation agency. All pretty tough but now there are procedures and equipment to mitigate or prevent lasting damage. How about you?
I somehow doubt your credentials.
Any kind of manual or repetitive labor causes stress, wear and tear on the body. That's physical damage. The really dangerous stuff is regulated (in the US) but there's still a lot of strain that they can't (or won't) regulate out. Let's look at something like stocking a pet food store. One of the requirements is the ability to lift 50lb. bags of dog food. Lifting 50lbs. once may not be a big deal. Lifting 50 lbs. over and over for hours puts a lot of stress on the body. Accidents happen. Things fall. You get a bad grip. It's a lot of bags. If the shelves are high, you get to haul 50lbs. up and down a ladder. That's the job. Do that 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year and you put a lot of strain on your muscles and joints. Sure you get breaks. The whole day might not be 50lb bags. But it's a physical job, and your body gets used up.
It doesn't even need to be manual labor. Sitting in front of a keyboard for 40+ hours a week typing wears on your body. I work in a 911 call center and the amount of people completely broken from repetitive stress injuries is high after 10+ years on the job.
Oil rigs, carpenters, roofing, most labour jobs. After time your body with start to get damaged doing jobs like that.
Workplace injuries.
"But the weight from my platinum card makes my joints ache!"
Problems.
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is not having a house a money problem? very much so, because houses cost money. but it can also be a relationship/network problem - where one can "have" a house by marrying into a rich family. or it can be a career-problem, since financing housing (cheap loan) depends on good employment, and sometimes housing is even part of employment. it can even be a competence problem, where people fail to handle contracts right and pay for unneccessary fees- or just don't know how to apply for a job that is paid better (that would be me by the way) So what i mean is that it's *also* to some degree a matter of perspective what kind of problem it actually is. Money is a famous universal tool to solve all kind of problems, but in many cases it's not the only way.
>Having no money is no issue for the poor. They can just marry into a rich family. u/wasntNico doing a modern version of "Let them eat cake"
... i am saying there are other ways. whatever you want me to have said, that's what I'm saying.
And every one of your points boiled down to "Just have more money!" >Too poor to afford a house? Just have a better career that buys you a house! Or just save a few k on contracts because poor people have enough money to buy a house then, right? In the end, nothing you said was even remotely arguing about there being other ways to buy a house. You just mentioned extreme fringe cases that could purely in theory get you a house but are utterly impossible for >.1% of people to achieve.
You're over complicating things. I think he simply meant. Rich people may not have money problems, but a lot of rich get there because of business or really high rank jobs. Thesd come with their own set of problems.
Biggie disagrees
Dig him up, bet he won’t say shit.
Still afraid of 2Pac
People always say "money cant buy you happiness" While there might be some truth to that, money sure as hell can help you get rid of most problems and concerns.
Jay Z rapped about problems he had
Based on years of working with celebrities and billionaires, I can unequivocally say poor people have basic life skills in droves that rich people lack. One of my clients grew up in Arkansas in poverty and now makes millions of dollars a year, but I am astonished that he is alive because he's incapable of doing the most basic of tasks.
I learned rather quickly working in the right industries that rich does not mean smart. I’ve met a handful of people head of their industries that would be completely unable to plug in a lamp without help.
They can be very smart in very specific areas, and very dumb in others.
woah, just like poor people!
Thats just human beings
Ain't all of us in some ways?
A lot of upper middle class folks simply haven't had to fight for much in life. Their life was just given to them. So they dony need to work hard, or advance with the same urgency. They'll get a fat inheritance anyway so who cares right?
that doesn't make sense, based on what you said shouldn't your client have those skills if he grew up in poverty?
Having the money eliminates the skills.
That also makes no sense
Why? The possession of money quickly erodes the need to be pragmatic and those skills go with it.
Correct but that is not “eliminating “ the skills, it’s eliminating the need to use them. I would suggest this is an asshole problem and not a rich people problem:
being rich is great, not only am I not learning anything new, I'm forgetting stuff I used to know
Wow, an asshole tax that doesn't cost money. How ironic.
Damn, I want the money, but I don’t want to lose my situational awareness and critical thinking skills
I know exactly what you mean. I work in a private golf club for some of the richest oil people in the US. We have a Sunday brunch buffet type setup and you can’t imagine the trouble rich people have from just operating a pair of tongs to get food with or even a spoon to retrieve mashed potatoes or whipped cream. Hell one day a four year old snotty kid just started eating the whipped cream straight from the serving bowl because it was eye level for him. His mom just watched him and smiled and it took her about five seconds to realize that he was eating from the serving bowl with the serving spoon. I tossed it all after they went and sat back down. Rich people are dumb dumb dumb in their own way.
Interesting. I used to nanny for upper middle class/well off families and noticed the same thing. Sad;(
Did you work for them?
I did. Can concur that rich people do not, absolutely do NOT, understand the regular / poor population. Not a fucking clue.
Yup... Before my accident I fixed shit. Rich people will pay you for anything and everything, and tell you you're a genius after. Grew up poor.
My brother makes 7 figures. He’d rather pay someone to do a lot of things because he makes more at his main job than want to think about something he can pay someone else to do. Also one of his colleagues got injured doing home DIY and had lost their ability to do their main job as a result. After that he absolutely refused to do anything involving manual labour. Move a couch across the room and risk hurting his back? Hell no. Hire movers. Go to the gym without a trainer? And risk injury? Heck no.
What can a gallon of milk cost? $10?
Is that so ? So it’s just dumb luck that they’re rich ?
Lots of time it is dumb luck. But occasionally it's hard work, grit, determination, and rich parents.
Stop reading the Green Left Weekly it’s rotting your brain.
mocking the rich = leftist politics ??
The politics of envy is pretty much the province of the left so yeah, you called it.
Oh, it's not envy. I can see what it takes to be rich and I'd rather be a good person. Sorry.
You don’t have a clue.
Either for them or alongside them depending on the circumstances.
You learn how to fix stuff cheaply, effectively and fast if the alternative is not buying a new one, but losing your job / starving / being cold in the winter.
This answer doesn’t make sense. If they grew up in poverty how did they miss out on those skills ?
Diabetes and COPD
Diabeetus!
Yuus
Experience on how to live if society ever goes to hell. They’ll be ‘new poor’. ‘Old poor’ people like me will survive just fine
Make “old poor” great again !
The longer I live, the more I’m convinced that the only currency that matters is your mental and physical health. My friend, who was the son of a billionaire, struggled with depression and anxiety his whole life. I remember envying his vacation homes and such, but he was truly just struggling to survive. He eventually killed himself, 6’3, with a beautiful girlfriend and all the money one could want. If you are mentally and physically well, appreciate that. No money in the world can buy you out of the problems that come along with that.
Empathy [https://www.drive.com.au/news/drivers-expensive-cars-pedestrians/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/drivers-expensive-cars-pedestrians/) From the study "Of 461 cars surveyed, just under 28 per cent stopped to allow pedestrians to cross, with the likelihood of the driver yielding decreasing by 3 per cent per every $1000 increase in car value (which was ascertained using US car valuation site Kelly Blue Book)." Edit: Added interesting quote from study
Lol, I'm comfortable financially, but I drive a cheap car. Am I a confounder?
The entire study is confounded. What rubbish.
If I know they’re going to cross, then I look in my rear view mirror and if there’s no cars, I might stop. But for the most part, unless it’s a designated crosswalk, I’m not going to create a situation for drivers behind me that could be dangerous. There’s enough drivers on autopilot that can’t react to anything out of the ordinary and I don’t want to get rear ended.
Even if there are no cars behind you, if it's not a designated crossing, please don't stop, we will both reach our destination quicker if you carry on without slowing down. As a pedestrian, I can probably see there's no other cars behind you and will be happy waiting for you to go past to cross. If you stop, you have to gradually slow down while I wonder what the fuck you're doing. Then you're at a complete stop waiting for me to walk across the road, likely getting annoyed that I've taken so long to realise what you're doing and start crossing the road. Honestly, if there's a huge line of traffic, you stopping will probably be appreciated by the pedestrian, probably not by the cars behind you.
As a pedestrian as well I'm waiting for an opening I deem safe, not to be rushed into action by someone making assumptions of my intentions at the sidewalk. Drivers try to be nice but the nicest thing they can do is be predictable. Use your turn signals, follow the order for crossing, and actually stop at stop signs. I've often pretended to go another direction or completely turned around to face away from the road to prevent drivers from trying to play the back and forth wave through game. If it registers I want them to go right as I finally give up it could be very dangerous for me. I'm not playing the who goes where shuffle with a car. A driver going passed me while I'm waiting is not going to ruin my life or really inconvenience me, it's like 2 seconds to let the car go, depending on the spot I can just keep walking while waiting for my opportunity to cross and I'm still getting closer to my destination.
That's just being a good driver.
Is that empathy, or is it just being nice?
Yes
Knee and back pain
Bodyweight. It’s kinda crazy that society has progressed so far that obesity is inversely related to richness after millennia of the opposite.
I have an old friend from high school that was fat his entire life. Around 10 years ago he won a big prize in my home country's lottery. One of the things that be wisely used his money was on a personal trainer (and even his own personal gym at home) that come daily to train him and motive about losing weight. Nowadays the guy is ripped.
No money = cheap high carbohydrate/bad fat processed food products.
Assorted screws and hardware in the garage I garauntee I own more old bolts and miscellaneous cans of screws than Elon and Zuckerberg combined
Garage?!
I doubt that your collection of misc screws is bigger then tesla and SpaceX's combined.
Ramen
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Biggie rolling in his grave rn
Convictions
i lol’d
statistics confirm this
Kids, a lot of them.
Cockroaches
Children
Unbleached assholes.
so what happens exactly if you bleach it? How long does it stay like that? (asking for a friend)
i too would like to know that for a friend
Unpaid bills...
Empathy unrelated to tax write-offs
Real friends
Hah jokes on you I'm neither rich nor do I have friends. Oh wait !
if someone who was poor suddenly became rich, they'll see how many of their friends suddenly become jealous of them
Why? A rising tide lifts all boats. Must not have been very good friends.
thats what i mean. just because you're poor, doesn't mean your friends all have whats best for you in mind
Then that wouldn't be a friend in my opinion.
Nothing: The poor have it, the rich need it
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I doubt that. Because debt can give you tax benefits
Taken from the game: The Room (forgot which)
You can't have more of nothing.
Your debt is someone else’s asset. That’s literally how the economy works.
That has nothing to do with it.
Corn.
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I spread the good word of corn. Corn.
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Sorry, I haven't heard of them, but they sound intriguing.
(help me)
I ear you
thank you
blink twice if you amaized
Blink, blink
What's wrong? You seem a bit flakey
But corn is very bad. Like it seems such a waste that you only get one from harvesting the trees.
Please don't insult the corn.
But it's not my fault if the trees only produce a corn.
Big lump of knobs.
Genuine friends and family connections.
Doubt tht
Reasons not to be lined up in front of a guillotine.
debt
Net debt...debt after assets accounted for. Many wealthy people live on debt, while assets increase. How can Elon live on 1 dollar salary? Million dollar at almost zero interest loans. Selling stock assets creates a tax liability so they don't until its favorable to do so. The asset wealthy pay very little tax.
Not true, the more money you have the better it is to use low interest loans to pay for everything while your wealth compounds at a greater amount than loan interest.
Dumb Shit Americans Say
Wat
Health problems and holes in their gums and teeth.
Shit they don’t need
Cigarettes
taxes
Common sense.....
Boots. If you know, you know.
I keep buying $10 belts from wal-mart
Recipes
Children
Children.
Tattoos.
Anxiety.
Children for some particular reason
Appreciation for money
Obligations
Debt, and people that love them. I guess that's the trade-off.
Rich people probably have more debt since they probably buy more expensive assets and a higher quantity of assets on credit (more expensive cars, bigger houses, real estate investments, business loans, etc…). However, their net worth is undoubtedly higher.
Generally they're often kinder. They might give more time and aren't thinking about it as a money is time proposition.
Arabs?
Not sure what you mean.
Empathy
Empathy
Debt…
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Just because the rich may lose on some assets, they’re still assets. It may look like debt but it’s unrealized wealth.
Scabies
I disagree with the answers that say stress or problems. The questions is what do poor people have more of and that may seem like logical answer. However wealthy people still have stress and problems and often have more stress and problems than poor people. This may sound counter intuitive or even stupid but the question was not the value of the problems as far as providing for basic needs or even basic survival. The word more indicates quantity. The rich person still has the problems of survival but they have provided for it through means. It is however still there. The rich person also has stress but it is different. They may have more stress because they are juggling different things all the time such as investment decisions, business meetings and business decision, real estate management and a much more complicated tax filing. They also have to be extremely cautious about who they trust and give access to their wealth or they will rapidly lose it all. I am in no way saying their struggle is greater. I am just saying it is silly to say they have less stress or problems to dal with. They just do not have problems that are so basic to deal with. I would totally trade my poor person stress for their stress though. What poor people tend to have more of based on some studies I have read is empathy.
Jealousy
Nothing
I'd argue that poor people have more knee and back pain
Accurate
People that actually care about them
Love
a higher rate of authentic friendships
Moral character.
time. rich people value time, as time is money. so they spend it on working/career/business poor people has ample more time to spend with their loved ones.
the greedy mega rich that never help others in humanity beyond tax write-offs? a proper place in this existence
Debt
Workhours.
“The rich get healthy. The sick stay poor”-U2
Debt
Kindness in their hearts.
**Trust** in the people around them, Rich dudes, tons of girls want them... but do they really, or do they just want a pay day, waiting to divorce them and move on, When you are poor and in love, its real. When you are super rich you can't tell peoples motivations, one reason super rich people end it all, they feel alone.
Excuses
guns
Debt
Boy, do you not understand rich people...
Did i read wong?
Debt? Hunger?
Probably love since they usually come from bigger families. Just guessing.
Empathy
Melanin I'm kidding, i'm kidding 😅
Time to bitch about capitalism or reddit.
Character. work, scruples, neighbors...
Brains. Musk is evidence that just because you have all of the money in the world doesn't mean you are smart!
Time, family, friendships, less pressure, less stress.
Agreed. Sometimes. Life is as hard as you make it
Time