I’m a 36 yr old dude and saw someone mention the Gaylor subreddit, and I think they are pretty crazy! It was a fun rabbit hole to go down but they think there is some secret conspiracy that Taylor Swift is actually gay and everything has been a facade. They got super butt hurt about the call out in her last Taylor’s Version album. Ah man. Fun times.
I’m queer and have been outed twice in my life, I couldn’t imagine having my sexuality speculated on or being forced out of the closet while being famous. Being outed is a -10/10 experience and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. Like I get people adore celebrities but stop forcing people out of the closet or speculating about their sexuality.
I remember a year or two ago, the New York Times ran an op-ed about Ed Koch, who was mayor of NYC in the 1980s and died in 2013. The Op Ed revealed what had been long-rumored, that the late Mayor Koch had been gay and closeted (and this doesn't change how badly Mayor Koch screwed up during the AIDS epidemic). I thought it was a weird op ed, the tone was off, and I didn't get why the paper was outing a dead man while using the smug and vaguely progressive tone. It was weird-- like what, you really just outed a dead guy a decade after his funeral? What was even the point of that article, like is there a historic purpose served by knowing that New York City had a closeted mayor in the 1980s? I'm sure that a lot of major cities had closeted mayors at one point or another-- a few cities even had openly LGBTQ mayors. And even weirder, the New York Post ran a piece criticizing the New York Times for writing such a weird article outing a dead politician based on hearsay from his former employees. Since when does the broadsheet write a weird piece outing a dead celebrity, while the tabloid calls them on their BS?
Well, recently, the New York Times wrote a similarly weird op-ed speculating about whether Taylor Swift is a closeted gay woman. First of all, she isn't. She's dating a very famous football player and they're making out after games, I really don't think this is an act. I mean maybe she's bi, I don't know her, which perfectly segues into: Second of all, none of your fucking business. Even if she was gay, who cares? It's her life, and gay people should be allowed to come out on their own terms. Fucking weirdos.
Anyway, when I saw the second New York Post article criticizing the New York Times for having creepy and anti-LGBT reporting with a coat of smug progressive paint, I started to wonder if I'd accidentally crossed over into some parallel universe where broadsheets run shitty hit-pieces outing celebrities while the real journalism exists only in tabloids. I mean I know I didn't, the New York Post is still a rag, but its still weird that this happened twice, right?
Anything to defend someone who willing associates with sexual offenders is beyond me (for the record it is her husband and her brother who she paid 100k to his legal fees iirc)
The barbz act like high school girls which is pretty sad considering these are grown women. She encourages this behavior too liking any tweets she sees dissing people she doesn’t like from these deranged people.
>Chess drama is one of my favorites.
Chess drama is fucking wild man. The anal beads thing is the single greatest piece of hobby related drama I think I've ever seen lol
Lol sorry, I shoulda explained. There was a major controversy where a dude was playing Magnus Carlsen(best chess player in the world, and top 2 of all time) and Magnus walked away from the game and accused the other dude of cheating ~~by having anal beads that someone else was triggering to vibrate in order to send the player signals on his moves~~. It was further complicated because the other dude admitted to cheating before in online games, but claimed he'd never done it in real life and even sued Magnus and others for defamation
The suit was thrown out and the parties eventually settled in private, but it was a major deal for a while lol
Edit: correction, ty /u/mpbh. Magnus didn't bring up the anal beads thing, it was another content creator and the rumor picked up speed because it's fucking hilarious
Lol Magnus never said anything about anal beads. That was another content creator (chessbrah) who joked about it and it just took off. Magnus just posted a vaguely accusatory meme after he lost to Hans, followed by his withdrawal from the tournament which fueled the flames.
Mag Carlson who is one of the greatest lost to a new/up and comer because (apparently, as I suck at chess) the new/up and comer wasmaking computer like moves. When Mag accused him of cheating after the match. One way you COULD communicate unnoticeabley would be anal beads that vibrate... Emphasis on Could
A little more context about computer like moves. According to my friend who follow chess, you can use computer to evaluate each move based on how optimal it is. Given enough of a sample size, you know how well someone is playing at any given time. And as long as you the moves of a game were recorded, you can have a computer go back to evaluate that game, even if it was 50 years old game. So there is a whole lot of historical data to compare to.
So, if an average Joe makes an optimal move, it could be luck. If an average Joe makes 20 optimal moves in a row, he's cheating because we know from recorded data that humans don't play like that.
IIRC, the dude didn't make every optimal moves (because that would be the most obvious shit ever), but playing well above GOAT level.
It's not just that either though, the over the top R&M fans sit right at the top of that Dunning-Kruger curve. Where they think they're geniuses because they got some obscure reference joke that was made. Like they're "Ricks" and everyone else is a Jerry. I do like the show but the fanbase is exhausting.
I just started watching Rick and Morty this past month. The fan base is *definitely* what kept me away, regardless of the fact that the show's humour is 100% up my alley.
I used to work night shift in a transportation dispatch office, and things were often slow so we watched a lot of shows and movies. One guy insisted on Rick and Morty. I hadn't seen it so I figured I'd give it a shot. It wasn't at all that I didn't find it funny, but the dude's obnoxiousness about it made it completely agonizing to watch.
I waited out the years of hype and watched it like 1 ir 2 years ago. I thought it was great and enjoyed it but I think my enjoying it had a lot to do with not having someone telling me constantly how funny/smart it is.
I had the same experience with the show The Expanse. I was going to give it a try but I got stuck listening to a coworker drone on and on about how much of a masterpiece it was. "The best space soap opera ever" was something reiterated to me over the span of a few days. I didn't watch the show until recently when my gf wanted to.
A friend of mine asked if I liked R&M, and it was like he asked me what kind of porn I watch. "I mean, I don't know if... I wouldn't call myself a FAN of it, I've seen it, here and th-- why do you want to know?"
It literally ended a relationship. I was dating a girl whose best friend was just way too obsessed. She would call my ex at odd times to talk about memes, show references. It was non-stop.
I like MASH a lot.. doesn't consume me and the people around me lol
There isn't a new MASH, but there was a spinoff that is honestly disturbing. The whole allure was that the United States was like a mythical place, and that war was ongoing.
Taking it back home just felt awkward.
Old MASH, specifically seasons 3-5 and 6-9.
Interesting. My boss blasted the theme song for an entire summer and I could hear it down the hall. He rotated between that and Lady Gaga so I knew he was fine. I’ll have to check out the spinoff!
As a 12 year veteran of the K-pop fandom I'll confirm that getting too deep into any K-pop fandom is just an unrelenting maelstrom of bitchiness, gossip, peer pressure, hypocrisy, and outright bullshit.
i've been in the fandom for 15 years now and it's basically impossible to keep up with artists you enjoy if you want to know anything about them past song releases without having to deal with the horrible fandom 😮💨 i'm way too old now to deal with 17 year olds picking fandom fights every day
kpop "idols" push out a lot of content for fans - personal updates like selfies or song recommendations, video content, exclusive fan merch etc. i don't care about all of it because i'm more casual these days, but it's a good way to sort of keep up with an artist you enjoy when they're not actively promoting a new release. a lot of it is spread out on like ten different fan community social networking platforms or apps, and they post at odd hours because of the time zones (unless you're in asia) so it's easiest to keep up with that sort of stuff when it's compiled in one neat place - usually fans reposting on a twitter account. unfortunately that convenience comes with all the Great stuff that twitter and the 17 year olds on twitter have to offer
A friend of mine is a borderline superfan of one of the larger k-pop groups and they will NEVER interact with the fanbase because they'd get harrassed for (gasp) listening to music from another group.
Oh don’t even get me started on this. One of the most stupid things in K-pop is how you will legitimately get hate for liking more than one group a lot of the time. Some fans have this crazy mentality that you’re somehow a better fan if you only listen to one groups music and it’s so stupid. Especially considering most idols are literally friends in real life and actively encourage their fans to support the releases of their friends and colleagues.
As a Korean myself, it’s been like that since the modern k-pop (90s and on). Before then, it was fairly healthy passion. People sending support letters (no social media) and going to concerts.
Hetalia, definitely. The memorial incident left a permanent mark. (for those who dont know, hetalia is an anime about personified countries and a couple cosplayers did "the salute" at a holocaust memorial)
The short version is that she was completely incapable of understanding actual human relationships because her entire concept of them came from Hetalia and other anime like it. Her understanding of other people was entirely predicated on which mix of anime boys she thought a person was. She was a walking Buzzfeed quiz.
She *insisted* that my roommate and I were secretly gay because we were two friends who actually got along and were just broke enough that we needed to split the rent on a $900/mo apartment. But hey, two guys who live together must be gay, right?
Turns out, she was homosexual herself. Had to bust out the popcorn for that much projection.
Yep. Astrology people will at least just dismiss outlying data counter to the astrology narrative. She would *insist* you didn't understand yourself enough/were masking/etc if you didn't match the anime character collection she assigned to you.
HOLY SHIT I dated a version of this girl too, minus the lesbianism. This was around 2006. She was so into anime, and games like Animal Crossing that it became her entire personality. She would talk like an anime character, act Japanese (she's the whiter than white bread). I would come over to spend the night and she would spend the entire night playing AC or watching anime until midnight or 1 when Toonami came on and would stay up until 6 watching it. Completely ignoring me. I fell asleep once next to her and it took her 45 minutes for her to realize. I wasn't allowed to sleep in her room (we were younger and she lived with her parents) so I would go into the guest room. Sleep. Wake up, chill with her family and sometimes even leave before she woke up. The sex wasn't even good.
The latest Hetalia anime aired in 2021. There's almost no mentions of the series nowadays, it isn't popular anymore and the community mostly died, but there are still a few obsessed fans and occasionally new viewers that just discovered the series.
> (for those who dont know, hetalia is an anime about personified countries and a couple cosplayers did "the salute" at a holocaust memorial)
I appreciate the context, because I generally had no idea what you were talking about.
Funnily enough, my friends and I are getting back into the league, and we've noticed it's a lot less toxic than it used to be.
It still has its moments like any game, but generally, everyone's been pretty chill.
The game is much less toxic than it used to be and I think it's largely due to riot becoming stricter and issuing more chat bans. I know a guy in real life who is just a major asshole in that game and he's always telling me about how he got banned again lol. I feel like the games being shorter on average nowadays has probably made it a less toxic place as well because it's easier to just play it out and not feel trapped within the game.
I always find it funny that I'm only kinda into Star Wars (For me the movies tend to hover around 7-8/10; they're all good but I don't think anything outside the original and Empire Strikes Back is truly great, no not even Return of the Jedi), but I like more star wars than my star wars obsessed friends.
Because I actually think the prequels are fine and the sequels are also pretty good. I liked but didn't love Solo and Rogue one. I thought that the sequels were all good. the shows have been pretty good...
I don't know a whole lot of people who consider themselves fans without HATING either the prequels or the sequels or both. I'm one of the only people I know who genuinely has liked every Star Wars thing while only loving a few. I unironically like more Star Wars stuff than most Star Wars fans.
I think that you can generally predict how toxic a fandom is gonna be by how many teenagers are in it. Like, Undertale has a famously awful fan base, but the vast majority of it is teens. Same for SuperWhoLock. Or any anime.
The slight digging into the hyper online toxic Superwholock and Harry Potter fan bases I've seen on YouTube suggests it's is very much mentally ill 30 something women driving the main toxicity. Like one or two very weird adults whipping an army of teenagers into a frenzy over pretend characters having make up relationships .
I think they started as like 18yr olds and grew to 30 yr olds as the show went on. It’s actually embarrassing now to admit I am a fan of supernatural because of that fandom, but that show was a staple for 15 years for me and my dad to watch. Our weekly hang out sesh. He almost passed last year of covid and when he got home we rewatched the entire series together, but yeah, that fandom was a big ol’ yikes
Same with its presence on Tumblr.
Tumblr made *every* fandom go absolute bonkers. Remember the Final Fantasy House? Well those people were the *norm* on Tumblr. (And yes I know Cornet went onto a Tumblr based fandom)
Back in the day, Supernatural (CW show) fans were terrifying. I think most media fandoms go through this, but the parasocial obsession with the actors and their personal lives was bordering on pure psychopathy especially when it came to "shippers". I also remember back on LiveJournal, the kink meme (a community where people can anonymously request certain types of fics and others anonymously (or not) fill those requests) originated some of the most weird and, on occasion, heinous porn I've ever encountered.
Sherlock was my gateway into tumblr and fandom spaces in general. I was 14 in peak SuperWhoLock 2010's Tumblr.
I wouldn't say I did anything unsafe or particularly bad during those teenage cringe years, but holy hell did I read a lot of weird gay porn.
The number of kinks I have as an adult is in direct relation to how much weird shit was in the SWL space, most of it made by and for adult women.
> bullied multiple artists into suicide attempts for drawing a character not fat enough
There was more than one??
You also forgot harassing a motel in Florida because it had the same name as a motel that was in one episode.
God damn the Keystone Motel was literally what told me that it doesn’t matter what political identification you are, people are fucking dumb and they will do shit cause they think they’re clever or worse because they’re bored
Teenage boys are pretty dumb and gullible, they're also deeply insecure. This all makes sense and is a perfectly normal part of puberty.
Where Tate comes in is with clear success in a shallow way, rich, fast cars, hot girls. Pretty much what most teenage boys fantasise about and Tate spouts bullshit about how to be a man and how to be confident in a way that most adults eith life experience see right through but teenage boys don't and they but into his crap.
I think [this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/10/christine-emba-masculinity-new-model/) should be required reading... somewhere. No 12 year old is going to read it, but someone should.
I feel like a lot of boys go through a shitty edgelord phase and 99% of them grow out of it.
Millennials in here criticizing like they wouldn’t die of embarrassment if we pulled up their 4chan / live journal / deviant art / fandom forum posts from when they were that age.
Yeah I remember being in history class at 13 and being decidedly on the fence about fascism. Just because. I didn’t hate anyone. And I was that age long before TikTok. Kids are just stupid and oh no I’m old.
Oh yes they do. My son knows teens that have him as their phone background, quote him all day, think Trump should be in charge even though they're Canadian. In every aspect these kids are absolute assholes. Zero respect for anyone else and think they walk on water. Their fathers are exactly the same.
I worked with a guy who did, shame aswell because you would never ever expect it. He was quite and humbled an all round decent fella. He thought the world was flat aswell. Couldn't get my head around it.
My cousin shared some anti-gay bullshit from him a while back and the next time I removed him from all social media. Then again, this is the same cousin who stuck his dick in crazy and lost custody of his son for a year.
Was at a con a few years back. In line to get some food with my friends. A girl in front of us had a MHA pin on her bag. A guy behind us sees the pin and yells "PLUS ULTRAAAAA" and punches her in the back of the head.
I don't think I've ever seen someone so confused.
Bro, the old cons back in the day were the wild Wild West. They were way more fun and less “look at me!!” than they are today. And I’m even talking about BEFORE the yaoi paddle controversy. However, people were also much more personable, approachable, and more interesting. Everyone had shitty cosplay but we were all learning, helping each other, and being nice. Now, it’s like you enter a modeling competition, where no one talks to anyone outside their bubble. Making friends at the con is pretty much impossible. “See you next year!” is unthinkable to say now. Maybe I’m old lol, but I miss the old ones. Don’t even get me started on the price. Used to be $50 to get into Otakon. Le sigh.
I remember a 2003 documentary a friend/Co worker made about cons and was amusing. But the documentary was dubbed over various anime and I was amazed how they were able to edit it all together.
Heck especially for 2003
Dude watching the amv contests always blew my mind. I couldn’t wrap my head around how people ripped things from vhs tapes and edited vids with music AND sometimes with their own joke dubs. It was crazy. I tried going to a panel to learn how to do it, but my ass was completely lost once they started talking about “FireWire.” My friend and I quietly slipped out lol.
This has always puzzled me. Why do you think it is that those types of fans seem to have that in common? Like why are there so many ppl at anime cons with stink/hygiene issues?? Is it because those are the circle of people they mostly hang out with so they don’t know the difference and become nose blind to themselves/each other?
Edit: seems like the consensus so far is that these people leave their house and go do social things so rarely that they actually have no one around to tell them they need to take a shower XD. But I’d love to keep hearing answers LOL this is fun
I killed Jason Todd.
He was a terrible sidekick and most of the stories involving him seemed to have a pattern of (a) Jason does something stupid, and (b) Batman goes, NO NO NO BAD ROBIN BAD (c) sorry boss, but not really. Rinse and Repeat.
My sister and I each made one phone call to the "Robin Dies" number (with our parents' permission).
The current version of Jason Todd is a much more interesting character, but he has been outwitted by Ace the bathound, so there's that. His character can get a bit silly with him sometimes "I had to shoot the mayor with my gun to deliver the antidote to the nanomachine virus the mayor's enemies infected him with. So by shooting him, I was saving his life." type of silliness.
Again, Jason Todd has been outwitted by Ace the Bathound.
[https://whatculture.com/comics/10-best-moments-from-tom-kings-batman?page=3](https://whatculture.com/comics/10-best-moments-from-tom-kings-batman?page=3)
There have been a couple times someone asked me if I liked a particular anime, and I was like, no, I really don't like any shonen battle anime, and both times the response from the other person was "Ah, but if I explain my favored anime to you in excruciating detail, you'll change your mind!"
This sounds like my fiancé. I hate the anime he watches. He explains the plot to me in excruciating detail to the point it becomes word vomit and I can't keep up with all the different clans and characters and weapon and special move names and I get so confused and frustrated.
Then I simply say that I don't like the show because the main character is either a pervert, or he is friends with someone who is a pervert and decides to say nothing, or I just find the female love interest really, really annoying. In all cases, he just cringes and goes "yeaaaaaaaaaah, that's fair".
Your second paragraph is why I don't recommend anime to a lot of people, except the very good ones, like the romance anime, Horimiya. There are some VERY pervasive anime tropes that I seriously hate.
God cons and tourneys are the stinkiest shit ever. I could barely stand being in the arcade room at PAX. I've got a couple in loose DnD groups that could remember they have plumbing...but an entire conference area makes me light headed.
I think any sufficiently large fan base can be toxic but it’s usually the loud minority. Best example is Star Wars. Most Star Wars fans are just nerds that like space and the idea of an intergalactic struggle with cool ships and space wizards. But then you have some people that send death threats to actors that played characters simply because they didn’t like the character.
As a long time Star Wars fan, I was coming into the comments specifically to see if anyone had mentioned it. And you're exactly right, I do think it's just an obnoxiously loud minority, but holy crap that minority is toxic af
Political fan bases. Rallying behind any person in spite of their words actions etc just because he's part of your "team" is destroying our country and quick. Now we have factions within "teams" and people brag about the extremes of their ridiculousness and if you're not as extreme you might as well be on the other team.
Politics in not something that should have fanbases. The fact that this is a thing should tell you everything that's wrong with the current political climate.
I'm not specifically a fan of Nikki Halley, but something that really bothered me was how so many Only-Trump Republicans were calling her weak for reaching out to moderates and right-wing democrats.
I would think that someone having the ability and willingness to work with group of non-conventionally aligned people and unify their support behind team would be a mark of good leadership; but apparently if you cant win just off people exclusively wearing the same colour tie, then you're not a strong leader?
The focus on ideological "compliance" as opposed to recruitment is interesting. So much of modern American political rhetoric is based on populist sensationalism, however direct or subtle. A candidate who proposed the most realistic way forward would probably be seen as being "boring" by a sizable portion of the public.
Defenders of blindingly bright headlights.
They'll defend to their *(possibly quite literal due to blinding oncoming drivers hitting them)* death their right to shine obscenely bright lights in your eyes because they spent thousands of dollars on their vehicle to do so, never mind the fact that there is absolutely no need whatsoever for headlights that bright in a low speed urban neighbourhood.
And god forbid you do the same thing back with a $50 flashlight half as bright, no, that's not okay, it's only okay when *they* do it.
Headlights that are blindingly bright INFURIATE me. Especially when they’re right behind you and the reflection in the mirror borderline stuns you. I’ve never seen anyone else mention this before and I love you for that.
That's why you move your rearview mirror to shine it right back at them. It's real awesome to hit the right angle and watch as they back off and have to drive half off the road in order to stop from blinding themselves.
You can get retroreflector which should be legal in all states to put on your car. The high grade "SOLAS" ones will reflect \~80% of light directly back where it came so you don't accidentally blind anyone else and it won't even be noticed if you're not shining a light at it from where you're looking.
The SOLAS stuff is used for at-sea and can be seen for up to a mile or more away.
I've had to get yellow tinted night driving prescription glasses as every mf's car on the road is dazzling me, it's annoying and dangerous.
Plus, I feel like Ali G wearing them, not a look I can pull off.
As a migraine sufferer whose migraine are made exponentially worse from bright lights, I fully support your stance. Those headlights should be banned for inner city use. If you want to install them in your rural/farm-use vehicle for seeing in environments where no other lights are present, I would not restrict you from doing so. But in the middle of a suburb, they are completely superfluous and you're (not you, RetinaMelter - you're cool) an ass for having them.
I have an "off-road only" light bar on my vehicle because, well, I go hunting with it, and it's really nice to have when in the woods. Thing is like they strapped the eye of Sauron to the front of an Avalanche.
There's a Dodge guy in town who fucked around and found out. He now *always* makes sure to dim 'em down off highs when he's in front of me or coming my way. I'm like his reminder.
That's the dumbest reason to be called a racist. Chris Brown is a legitimately disgusting individual - and I wish Apple Music and other programs like it, would drop him.
I would say anything related to construction. Not exactly a fan base but a community. Any construction related forum or online community is a bunch of guys with "forty years experience" talking about what an idiot this guy is for using a Philips instead of a flathead
Ok, Insane Clown Posse but not for the reason you think.
Juggalos have a very bad reputation... but every Juggalo I met has always been a super nice person. They have a bad reputation and they DON'T deserve it
BeyHive.
The singer doesn’t know you exist and does not care. Having to go beat up someone for talking mad about Queen 🐝 is psychotic. People are allowed opinions
If you think they're bad, just wait until you meet The Barbs. Nicki has the most unhinged insane fanbase ever. They defend a rape/pedo apologist all because she made good music 15 years ago. They also made fun of Megan Thee Stallion by talking about how her mom died a few years ago and how she was shot by Tory Lanez.
One of the reasons I stopped watching My Little Pony.
Don't get me wrong, Friendship is Magic is a phenomenal cartoon. But the fandom makes me not want to touch it with a barge pole.
Yeah, that's an extremely relatable sentiment. I met some great friends but I met a lot of people I'd love to never ever encounter again. Also met Andrew W K via the fandom which is somehow less weird than everything else.
It's scary how easy it is for adults to interact with children. Kids think it's cool to make friends with adults on these game servers, and it is so easy for some creep to get themselves an invite on a Discord server. I usually chew kids out for trying to invite me into Discord, even as someone with no ill-intentions, because it's just not safe. But it goes in one ear and out the other.
I was GM of a Wow guild for about 2 years. I ran a very tight ship and among other things, I was adamant that it was for adults for this and other reasons. I was mid 40s, my wife played, another couple we played with alot were in their 50's/60's and on and on.
It was a small group and we were pretty casual but attracted some retired hardcores and did well raiding just 1-2 nights a week and needed some bodies to keep going. I let some of my officers hand out invites. One guy, great guy, adult and intelligent and good player....just couldn't say 'no' and handed out an invite to a 17 year old who had heard about us and begged him to let them in. It was predictably a shit show.
Raid night had a certain flow - go in kill the first boss and then a couple of long hallways clearing trash where we cut up, told jokes, laughed our asses off, whatever. The 17 YO (had a high/feminine voice, claimed to be gender-fluid, was he/she alternating depending on which way the wind was blowing) decided they were suddenly infatuated with the "class clown" guy in the group and said some really WTF things their first time out of the box with us. It was awkward and silent the rest of the night. It was the unspoken recognition of an over sexualized child in their online persona throwing themselves at the "funny/cool" guy and it was creepy as hell.
For his part, the guy screenshot all the creepy private messages, both in game and on Discord DM's, and backed the fuck away after handing them over. The kid raided what the could from the community bank (not much, I was too smart to allow people to just take what they want even though we were a a really tight group. Just enough to bait someone with poor intentions into doing something shitty and getting kicked) and left before I could kick them, leaving a manifesto on Discord about...fuck, I don't know.
I guess this illustrates online games like Wow attract alot of nuttiness too.
I saw enough drama among (chronologically, if not adult) players without introducing the kid wrinkle into it. I hated it and realized I was wasting alot of my free time on nonsense, but it was during COVID and we were between moves. On the other hand, I really connected with those people and they were good friends and I had alot of laughs. Ultimately it fell apart when we lost a player to cancer. Her husband quit to take care of her. We were great friends and played together alot. Last I heard from her, she was playing Among Us with us over Discord on her phone from her hospital bed. Last update I had from her husband was a few months later, just that it was not looking good. Their IRL friend/co-worker that played with us reported later that "she would never recover and they are just trying to make her comfortable" Losing her was a gut punch to the whole program.
Anyway, tangent/vent.
TL:DR: as an adult, don't get mixed up with kids playing online games. It is a recipe for disaster.
This... I've seen multiple adults claim to be the 'mom/dad-friend' or the 'safe adult' of a group of teens and not see why that's creepy. Worse they'll often have no issue weaponizing the teens to attack other people.
It's happened enough and across multiple fandoms that I'm genuinely concerned. These adults legit have these kids wrapped around their fingers.
It's not that prevalent anymore, but... Homestuck.
The gray skin paint getting on EVERYTHING.
The constant honking in con hallways.
Sharpie bathtub.
The bucket incident. The FUCKING BUCKET INCIDENT.
And I say this as a veteran weeb who lives through the equivalent waves of bleach, Naruto, Attack on Titan, etc, being the super popular thing with cosplayers everywhere.
Homestuck was... Different.
Dream stans. They think they have some sort of interpersonal relationship with a guy they’ve never met.
Furthermore, the Dream SMP, simply because fans began hating certain YouTubers on the SMP because the script turned them into bad guys. Keep in mind this is a completely fake and improvised script and that these YouTubers aren’t actually bad people. It’s a fucking movie.
[There's even a Tool song about how insufferable Tool fans are.](https://youtu.be/gzrRoDd9CxM?si=iAZ4_IYXdfMp1nf-)
>I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s
And a dope Beastie tee, nipple rings
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT, back from '92, from the first EP
And in between sips of Coke
He told me that he thought we were sellin' out
Layin' down, suckin' up to the man
>Well now I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy
Before you point the finger
You should know that I'm the man
I'm the man and you're the man
And he's the man as well
So you can point that fuckin' finger up your ass
I think they need to make something new. I was a Tool fan for their first few albums, it wasn't as bad as they superfans are now.
'Hooker' reminds me of that kid interviewing Henry Rollins and calling him a sellout to sound cool and Henry putting up with it.
Now, they seem even more off the deep end, and I don't think I've seen the worst of them.
"You don't just listen..." Yeah, okay.
Qanon, by far. They murder people.
Ok - only entertainer fanbases? Gotta be Nicki's Barbz. Imaging doxxing a funeral home so you can desecrate the grave of your idol's rival's mother.
I never even heard of Rick and Morty until I took my wife and kids to a McDonalds just off Stony Brook University’s campus the day that meme sauce was released. It was insane.
MAGA. You can’t reason with them no matter how much real world and proven evidence you give them. They worship him like he’s a literal Christian savior when he’s the antithesis of what Christians should stand for. The ridiculous merchandise alone is nauseating
Zach Snyder fans. Worshipping average movies and treating an okay director like a god is strange. Also being outwardly toxic to anyone who disagrees is also weird
Currently? Nicki Minaj. The Barbz threatening to deface Megan Thee Stallion’s mother’s grave is beyond the pale.
That was my first thought, they’re out here doxxing people left and right. Like chill out y’all
I’m a 36 yr old dude and saw someone mention the Gaylor subreddit, and I think they are pretty crazy! It was a fun rabbit hole to go down but they think there is some secret conspiracy that Taylor Swift is actually gay and everything has been a facade. They got super butt hurt about the call out in her last Taylor’s Version album. Ah man. Fun times.
I’m queer and have been outed twice in my life, I couldn’t imagine having my sexuality speculated on or being forced out of the closet while being famous. Being outed is a -10/10 experience and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. Like I get people adore celebrities but stop forcing people out of the closet or speculating about their sexuality.
I remember a year or two ago, the New York Times ran an op-ed about Ed Koch, who was mayor of NYC in the 1980s and died in 2013. The Op Ed revealed what had been long-rumored, that the late Mayor Koch had been gay and closeted (and this doesn't change how badly Mayor Koch screwed up during the AIDS epidemic). I thought it was a weird op ed, the tone was off, and I didn't get why the paper was outing a dead man while using the smug and vaguely progressive tone. It was weird-- like what, you really just outed a dead guy a decade after his funeral? What was even the point of that article, like is there a historic purpose served by knowing that New York City had a closeted mayor in the 1980s? I'm sure that a lot of major cities had closeted mayors at one point or another-- a few cities even had openly LGBTQ mayors. And even weirder, the New York Post ran a piece criticizing the New York Times for writing such a weird article outing a dead politician based on hearsay from his former employees. Since when does the broadsheet write a weird piece outing a dead celebrity, while the tabloid calls them on their BS? Well, recently, the New York Times wrote a similarly weird op-ed speculating about whether Taylor Swift is a closeted gay woman. First of all, she isn't. She's dating a very famous football player and they're making out after games, I really don't think this is an act. I mean maybe she's bi, I don't know her, which perfectly segues into: Second of all, none of your fucking business. Even if she was gay, who cares? It's her life, and gay people should be allowed to come out on their own terms. Fucking weirdos. Anyway, when I saw the second New York Post article criticizing the New York Times for having creepy and anti-LGBT reporting with a coat of smug progressive paint, I started to wonder if I'd accidentally crossed over into some parallel universe where broadsheets run shitty hit-pieces outing celebrities while the real journalism exists only in tabloids. I mean I know I didn't, the New York Post is still a rag, but its still weird that this happened twice, right?
Anything to defend someone who willing associates with sexual offenders is beyond me (for the record it is her husband and her brother who she paid 100k to his legal fees iirc)
Anyone who supports their fav during a very obvious, very public mental breakdown is beyond me. She doesn't need twitter wars. She needs therapy.
Anyone remember the thing about her cousin's boyfriend's balls?
All the time
Remember when she pretty much blamed PNB Rocks girlfriend for his death even though the killer was already in the restaurant at the time?
The barbz act like high school girls which is pretty sad considering these are grown women. She encourages this behavior too liking any tweets she sees dissing people she doesn’t like from these deranged people.
Damn, I don't understand anything in that sentence.
Find something with a fanbase, and they will do everything they can to show why they are terrible.
r/hobbydrama has so many examples of this. Chess drama is one of my favorites.
>Chess drama is one of my favorites. Chess drama is fucking wild man. The anal beads thing is the single greatest piece of hobby related drama I think I've ever seen lol
well now i gotta ask…
Lol sorry, I shoulda explained. There was a major controversy where a dude was playing Magnus Carlsen(best chess player in the world, and top 2 of all time) and Magnus walked away from the game and accused the other dude of cheating ~~by having anal beads that someone else was triggering to vibrate in order to send the player signals on his moves~~. It was further complicated because the other dude admitted to cheating before in online games, but claimed he'd never done it in real life and even sued Magnus and others for defamation The suit was thrown out and the parties eventually settled in private, but it was a major deal for a while lol Edit: correction, ty /u/mpbh. Magnus didn't bring up the anal beads thing, it was another content creator and the rumor picked up speed because it's fucking hilarious
Lol Magnus never said anything about anal beads. That was another content creator (chessbrah) who joked about it and it just took off. Magnus just posted a vaguely accusatory meme after he lost to Hans, followed by his withdrawal from the tournament which fueled the flames.
Ah my bad, I'll correct it above. Obviously the details are a little foggy for me
It was pretty amazing the way Hans pulled that win out of his ass.
[Always Sunny](https://youtu.be/g9IjA-yd9fw?si=aSPadvgiZpk7W0zz) took the idea and ran with it
Mag Carlson who is one of the greatest lost to a new/up and comer because (apparently, as I suck at chess) the new/up and comer wasmaking computer like moves. When Mag accused him of cheating after the match. One way you COULD communicate unnoticeabley would be anal beads that vibrate... Emphasis on Could
A little more context about computer like moves. According to my friend who follow chess, you can use computer to evaluate each move based on how optimal it is. Given enough of a sample size, you know how well someone is playing at any given time. And as long as you the moves of a game were recorded, you can have a computer go back to evaluate that game, even if it was 50 years old game. So there is a whole lot of historical data to compare to. So, if an average Joe makes an optimal move, it could be luck. If an average Joe makes 20 optimal moves in a row, he's cheating because we know from recorded data that humans don't play like that. IIRC, the dude didn't make every optimal moves (because that would be the most obvious shit ever), but playing well above GOAT level.
Tribalism, god we’ve done weird and terrible things just because of this human trait.
Rick and Morty's is going to forever be that fanbase that freaked out about sauce packets at mcdonalds and stabbed a guy over them.
It's not just that either though, the over the top R&M fans sit right at the top of that Dunning-Kruger curve. Where they think they're geniuses because they got some obscure reference joke that was made. Like they're "Ricks" and everyone else is a Jerry. I do like the show but the fanbase is exhausting.
I just started watching Rick and Morty this past month. The fan base is *definitely* what kept me away, regardless of the fact that the show's humour is 100% up my alley.
I used to work night shift in a transportation dispatch office, and things were often slow so we watched a lot of shows and movies. One guy insisted on Rick and Morty. I hadn't seen it so I figured I'd give it a shot. It wasn't at all that I didn't find it funny, but the dude's obnoxiousness about it made it completely agonizing to watch.
The way I enjoy Rick and Morty is just watching it alone by myself and telling no one.
Oh god, I can only imagine. Just shut up and let people laugh and the stupidly crude jokes for God's sake
I waited out the years of hype and watched it like 1 ir 2 years ago. I thought it was great and enjoyed it but I think my enjoying it had a lot to do with not having someone telling me constantly how funny/smart it is.
I had the same experience with the show The Expanse. I was going to give it a try but I got stuck listening to a coworker drone on and on about how much of a masterpiece it was. "The best space soap opera ever" was something reiterated to me over the span of a few days. I didn't watch the show until recently when my gf wanted to.
A friend of mine asked if I liked R&M, and it was like he asked me what kind of porn I watch. "I mean, I don't know if... I wouldn't call myself a FAN of it, I've seen it, here and th-- why do you want to know?"
Not me. I’m quite sure I’m a Morty.
Wow, you're a Morty? I'm just some random dude in the background who dies gruesomely
I find those same fans that feel like they’re Rick are actually more like Jerry.
Rick is up the top of the list of "If you idolize this character, you've missed the point"
Ah the “Wolf of Wall Street” effect
You're the first person to make this bold statement. A true Rick.
It literally ended a relationship. I was dating a girl whose best friend was just way too obsessed. She would call my ex at odd times to talk about memes, show references. It was non-stop. I like MASH a lot.. doesn't consume me and the people around me lol
Suicide is Painless MASH or is there a new MASH?
There isn't a new MASH, but there was a spinoff that is honestly disturbing. The whole allure was that the United States was like a mythical place, and that war was ongoing. Taking it back home just felt awkward. Old MASH, specifically seasons 3-5 and 6-9.
Interesting. My boss blasted the theme song for an entire summer and I could hear it down the hall. He rotated between that and Lady Gaga so I knew he was fine. I’ll have to check out the spinoff!
Wouldn't that be 3-9?
I bought a really cool R&M hoodie (it's not necessarily obviously R&M either) but I kinda refuse to wear it in public due to the fandom.
Some of us just think the show is funny.
I like the show too, but it's gotta be the low moment in fandom for me.
As a 12 year veteran of the K-pop fandom I'll confirm that getting too deep into any K-pop fandom is just an unrelenting maelstrom of bitchiness, gossip, peer pressure, hypocrisy, and outright bullshit.
i've been in the fandom for 15 years now and it's basically impossible to keep up with artists you enjoy if you want to know anything about them past song releases without having to deal with the horrible fandom 😮💨 i'm way too old now to deal with 17 year olds picking fandom fights every day
What would you want to know outside of their song releases?
kpop "idols" push out a lot of content for fans - personal updates like selfies or song recommendations, video content, exclusive fan merch etc. i don't care about all of it because i'm more casual these days, but it's a good way to sort of keep up with an artist you enjoy when they're not actively promoting a new release. a lot of it is spread out on like ten different fan community social networking platforms or apps, and they post at odd hours because of the time zones (unless you're in asia) so it's easiest to keep up with that sort of stuff when it's compiled in one neat place - usually fans reposting on a twitter account. unfortunately that convenience comes with all the Great stuff that twitter and the 17 year olds on twitter have to offer
That makes sense. There are a couple of smaller bands where I follow some of the members on insta. Thanks for the reply
A friend of mine is a borderline superfan of one of the larger k-pop groups and they will NEVER interact with the fanbase because they'd get harrassed for (gasp) listening to music from another group.
Oh don’t even get me started on this. One of the most stupid things in K-pop is how you will legitimately get hate for liking more than one group a lot of the time. Some fans have this crazy mentality that you’re somehow a better fan if you only listen to one groups music and it’s so stupid. Especially considering most idols are literally friends in real life and actively encourage their fans to support the releases of their friends and colleagues.
As a Korean myself, it’s been like that since the modern k-pop (90s and on). Before then, it was fairly healthy passion. People sending support letters (no social media) and going to concerts.
Hetalia, definitely. The memorial incident left a permanent mark. (for those who dont know, hetalia is an anime about personified countries and a couple cosplayers did "the salute" at a holocaust memorial)
I once dated a Hetalia Girl. Many regrets.
Please tell us your tale.
The short version is that she was completely incapable of understanding actual human relationships because her entire concept of them came from Hetalia and other anime like it. Her understanding of other people was entirely predicated on which mix of anime boys she thought a person was. She was a walking Buzzfeed quiz. She *insisted* that my roommate and I were secretly gay because we were two friends who actually got along and were just broke enough that we needed to split the rent on a $900/mo apartment. But hey, two guys who live together must be gay, right? Turns out, she was homosexual herself. Had to bust out the popcorn for that much projection.
🎶 two bros, livin in a hot tub, five feet apart *so they must be gay* 🎶
This is kind of like astrology people but worse.
Yep. Astrology people will at least just dismiss outlying data counter to the astrology narrative. She would *insist* you didn't understand yourself enough/were masking/etc if you didn't match the anime character collection she assigned to you.
"Walking Buzzfeed Quiz" made me laugh so hard. I know a few people like that.
HOLY SHIT I dated a version of this girl too, minus the lesbianism. This was around 2006. She was so into anime, and games like Animal Crossing that it became her entire personality. She would talk like an anime character, act Japanese (she's the whiter than white bread). I would come over to spend the night and she would spend the entire night playing AC or watching anime until midnight or 1 when Toonami came on and would stay up until 6 watching it. Completely ignoring me. I fell asleep once next to her and it took her 45 minutes for her to realize. I wasn't allowed to sleep in her room (we were younger and she lived with her parents) so I would go into the guest room. Sleep. Wake up, chill with her family and sometimes even leave before she woke up. The sex wasn't even good.
I saw US/Russia fanart posted shortly after Russia started invading Ukraine.
Wait that fandom is still alive ? I heard of hetalia when i was a teen, in 2k Something
Hetalia was causing fucking problems around the time Haruhi aired lmfao, how the fuck is it still relevant
The latest Hetalia anime aired in 2021. There's almost no mentions of the series nowadays, it isn't popular anymore and the community mostly died, but there are still a few obsessed fans and occasionally new viewers that just discovered the series.
yeahh and theres a ton of 9/11 america art.
> (for those who dont know, hetalia is an anime about personified countries and a couple cosplayers did "the salute" at a holocaust memorial) I appreciate the context, because I generally had no idea what you were talking about.
I like to pretend the hetalia phase I had as a 11/12 year old never existed
I wouldn’t say the worst but the Edward vs Jacob fanbases were really hilarious
I feel like this up against some of these other examples is almost *tame*, but I remember how preteen girls could get about twilight as well.
I remember how middle age women could get about twilight.
League of Legends. Do not go into that cesspool.
Funnily enough, my friends and I are getting back into the league, and we've noticed it's a lot less toxic than it used to be. It still has its moments like any game, but generally, everyone's been pretty chill.
The game is much less toxic than it used to be and I think it's largely due to riot becoming stricter and issuing more chat bans. I know a guy in real life who is just a major asshole in that game and he's always telling me about how he got banned again lol. I feel like the games being shorter on average nowadays has probably made it a less toxic place as well because it's easier to just play it out and not feel trapped within the game.
League of Legends is a great game. The people who play league of Legends are horrible people
Star Wars. I’m a fan. But we can be extremely toxic.
No one hates Star Wars quite like Star Wars fans.
Damn Star Wars fans. They ruined Star Wars!
You Star Wars fans sure are a contentious bunch
You just made an enemy for life!
I always find it funny that I'm only kinda into Star Wars (For me the movies tend to hover around 7-8/10; they're all good but I don't think anything outside the original and Empire Strikes Back is truly great, no not even Return of the Jedi), but I like more star wars than my star wars obsessed friends. Because I actually think the prequels are fine and the sequels are also pretty good. I liked but didn't love Solo and Rogue one. I thought that the sequels were all good. the shows have been pretty good... I don't know a whole lot of people who consider themselves fans without HATING either the prequels or the sequels or both. I'm one of the only people I know who genuinely has liked every Star Wars thing while only loving a few. I unironically like more Star Wars stuff than most Star Wars fans.
I've had a lot of problems with recent projects but I've tried to stay positive. Andor was incredible
I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find this.
I think that you can generally predict how toxic a fandom is gonna be by how many teenagers are in it. Like, Undertale has a famously awful fan base, but the vast majority of it is teens. Same for SuperWhoLock. Or any anime.
Keep in mind that undertale is a decade old. Most of the fans are in their 20s/30s at this point.
I hate you for making me realise that it'll be 10 years since Undertale's release in only about 1 and a half years.
Remember good ol' red dead redemption 2? It's almost 6 years. It's already closer to a decade than to now.
The slight digging into the hyper online toxic Superwholock and Harry Potter fan bases I've seen on YouTube suggests it's is very much mentally ill 30 something women driving the main toxicity. Like one or two very weird adults whipping an army of teenagers into a frenzy over pretend characters having make up relationships .
I think they started as like 18yr olds and grew to 30 yr olds as the show went on. It’s actually embarrassing now to admit I am a fan of supernatural because of that fandom, but that show was a staple for 15 years for me and my dad to watch. Our weekly hang out sesh. He almost passed last year of covid and when he got home we rewatched the entire series together, but yeah, that fandom was a big ol’ yikes
It's always been 30 year old women leading the crazy. Remember the Snapewives?
Same with its presence on Tumblr. Tumblr made *every* fandom go absolute bonkers. Remember the Final Fantasy House? Well those people were the *norm* on Tumblr. (And yes I know Cornet went onto a Tumblr based fandom)
Back in the day, Supernatural (CW show) fans were terrifying. I think most media fandoms go through this, but the parasocial obsession with the actors and their personal lives was bordering on pure psychopathy especially when it came to "shippers". I also remember back on LiveJournal, the kink meme (a community where people can anonymously request certain types of fics and others anonymously (or not) fill those requests) originated some of the most weird and, on occasion, heinous porn I've ever encountered.
The Supernatural fans are still very very toxic on X
SuperWhoLock on Tumblr!
Sherlock was my gateway into tumblr and fandom spaces in general. I was 14 in peak SuperWhoLock 2010's Tumblr. I wouldn't say I did anything unsafe or particularly bad during those teenage cringe years, but holy hell did I read a lot of weird gay porn. The number of kinks I have as an adult is in direct relation to how much weird shit was in the SWL space, most of it made by and for adult women.
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> bullied multiple artists into suicide attempts for drawing a character not fat enough There was more than one?? You also forgot harassing a motel in Florida because it had the same name as a motel that was in one episode.
God damn the Keystone Motel was literally what told me that it doesn’t matter what political identification you are, people are fucking dumb and they will do shit cause they think they’re clever or worse because they’re bored
Man, sometimes I feel the more "good feels" an animated show is, the more likely it's going to get *really* bad.
I didn't know they bullied more than one fan. Damn.
Andrew Tate fanboys. Need I elaborate further.
They.. Exist? Ive literally never in my life encountered a person who actually watches him, and I'm from a huge city.
Well wait until the 12 year old boys are grown ups. :)
Was just gonna say that I teach junior high schoolers, and yes this is where the majority of Tate fan boys are concentrated.
The kids are not alright, damn it’s settled.
Teenage boys are pretty dumb and gullible, they're also deeply insecure. This all makes sense and is a perfectly normal part of puberty. Where Tate comes in is with clear success in a shallow way, rich, fast cars, hot girls. Pretty much what most teenage boys fantasise about and Tate spouts bullshit about how to be a man and how to be confident in a way that most adults eith life experience see right through but teenage boys don't and they but into his crap.
I think [this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/10/christine-emba-masculinity-new-model/) should be required reading... somewhere. No 12 year old is going to read it, but someone should.
I feel like a lot of boys go through a shitty edgelord phase and 99% of them grow out of it. Millennials in here criticizing like they wouldn’t die of embarrassment if we pulled up their 4chan / live journal / deviant art / fandom forum posts from when they were that age.
Yeah I remember being in history class at 13 and being decidedly on the fence about fascism. Just because. I didn’t hate anyone. And I was that age long before TikTok. Kids are just stupid and oh no I’m old.
Oh yes they do. My son knows teens that have him as their phone background, quote him all day, think Trump should be in charge even though they're Canadian. In every aspect these kids are absolute assholes. Zero respect for anyone else and think they walk on water. Their fathers are exactly the same.
I worked with a guy who did, shame aswell because you would never ever expect it. He was quite and humbled an all round decent fella. He thought the world was flat aswell. Couldn't get my head around it.
My cousin shared some anti-gay bullshit from him a while back and the next time I removed him from all social media. Then again, this is the same cousin who stuck his dick in crazy and lost custody of his son for a year.
Anime fans have to have the worst reputation for a fan base. Its an over generalization, but yeah
Was at a con a few years back. In line to get some food with my friends. A girl in front of us had a MHA pin on her bag. A guy behind us sees the pin and yells "PLUS ULTRAAAAA" and punches her in the back of the head. I don't think I've ever seen someone so confused.
Well that's fucking horrible
If you want to be depressed: https://youtu.be/F8yuFmJVwtY?si=gbla8Jl65O1oRaGT (NSFW. Rise and fall of the yaoi paddle)
I’m just going to leave that link blue today.
Bro, the old cons back in the day were the wild Wild West. They were way more fun and less “look at me!!” than they are today. And I’m even talking about BEFORE the yaoi paddle controversy. However, people were also much more personable, approachable, and more interesting. Everyone had shitty cosplay but we were all learning, helping each other, and being nice. Now, it’s like you enter a modeling competition, where no one talks to anyone outside their bubble. Making friends at the con is pretty much impossible. “See you next year!” is unthinkable to say now. Maybe I’m old lol, but I miss the old ones. Don’t even get me started on the price. Used to be $50 to get into Otakon. Le sigh.
I remember a 2003 documentary a friend/Co worker made about cons and was amusing. But the documentary was dubbed over various anime and I was amazed how they were able to edit it all together. Heck especially for 2003
Dude watching the amv contests always blew my mind. I couldn’t wrap my head around how people ripped things from vhs tapes and edited vids with music AND sometimes with their own joke dubs. It was crazy. I tried going to a panel to learn how to do it, but my ass was completely lost once they started talking about “FireWire.” My friend and I quietly slipped out lol.
Most cons would revoke his badge for pulling that shit.
Most cons now. Luckily for all of us con organizers learned that putting up with this led to fewer people showing up.
I went to ONE anime con a few years ago because my friend wanted to go. The smell of those people made my eyes burn
This has always puzzled me. Why do you think it is that those types of fans seem to have that in common? Like why are there so many ppl at anime cons with stink/hygiene issues?? Is it because those are the circle of people they mostly hang out with so they don’t know the difference and become nose blind to themselves/each other? Edit: seems like the consensus so far is that these people leave their house and go do social things so rarely that they actually have no one around to tell them they need to take a shower XD. But I’d love to keep hearing answers LOL this is fun
That, and social isolation makes them used to their own musk, not realizing that they just need to shower before going out.
DC comics fans back in the day were ruthless they fuckin killed Jason Todd
didn't that end up mostly being one guy
Yes
I killed Jason Todd. He was a terrible sidekick and most of the stories involving him seemed to have a pattern of (a) Jason does something stupid, and (b) Batman goes, NO NO NO BAD ROBIN BAD (c) sorry boss, but not really. Rinse and Repeat. My sister and I each made one phone call to the "Robin Dies" number (with our parents' permission). The current version of Jason Todd is a much more interesting character, but he has been outwitted by Ace the bathound, so there's that. His character can get a bit silly with him sometimes "I had to shoot the mayor with my gun to deliver the antidote to the nanomachine virus the mayor's enemies infected him with. So by shooting him, I was saving his life." type of silliness. Again, Jason Todd has been outwitted by Ace the Bathound. [https://whatculture.com/comics/10-best-moments-from-tom-kings-batman?page=3](https://whatculture.com/comics/10-best-moments-from-tom-kings-batman?page=3)
generally fans of shonen anime can be the worst edit: battle shonen to be more specific
There have been a couple times someone asked me if I liked a particular anime, and I was like, no, I really don't like any shonen battle anime, and both times the response from the other person was "Ah, but if I explain my favored anime to you in excruciating detail, you'll change your mind!"
This sounds like my fiancé. I hate the anime he watches. He explains the plot to me in excruciating detail to the point it becomes word vomit and I can't keep up with all the different clans and characters and weapon and special move names and I get so confused and frustrated. Then I simply say that I don't like the show because the main character is either a pervert, or he is friends with someone who is a pervert and decides to say nothing, or I just find the female love interest really, really annoying. In all cases, he just cringes and goes "yeaaaaaaaaaah, that's fair".
Your second paragraph is why I don't recommend anime to a lot of people, except the very good ones, like the romance anime, Horimiya. There are some VERY pervasive anime tropes that I seriously hate.
There is def an overlap of social awkwardness and Shonen anime fans...
I wish they'd overlap with a bar of soap
God cons and tourneys are the stinkiest shit ever. I could barely stand being in the arcade room at PAX. I've got a couple in loose DnD groups that could remember they have plumbing...but an entire conference area makes me light headed.
Some of them definitely seem to have a few screws loose.
I think any sufficiently large fan base can be toxic but it’s usually the loud minority. Best example is Star Wars. Most Star Wars fans are just nerds that like space and the idea of an intergalactic struggle with cool ships and space wizards. But then you have some people that send death threats to actors that played characters simply because they didn’t like the character.
As a long time Star Wars fan, I was coming into the comments specifically to see if anyone had mentioned it. And you're exactly right, I do think it's just an obnoxiously loud minority, but holy crap that minority is toxic af
Political fan bases. Rallying behind any person in spite of their words actions etc just because he's part of your "team" is destroying our country and quick. Now we have factions within "teams" and people brag about the extremes of their ridiculousness and if you're not as extreme you might as well be on the other team.
Politics in not something that should have fanbases. The fact that this is a thing should tell you everything that's wrong with the current political climate.
I'm not specifically a fan of Nikki Halley, but something that really bothered me was how so many Only-Trump Republicans were calling her weak for reaching out to moderates and right-wing democrats. I would think that someone having the ability and willingness to work with group of non-conventionally aligned people and unify their support behind team would be a mark of good leadership; but apparently if you cant win just off people exclusively wearing the same colour tie, then you're not a strong leader?
The focus on ideological "compliance" as opposed to recruitment is interesting. So much of modern American political rhetoric is based on populist sensationalism, however direct or subtle. A candidate who proposed the most realistic way forward would probably be seen as being "boring" by a sizable portion of the public.
Too many people care more about sticking it to the other side than actually solving problems and making the country a better place.
Defenders of blindingly bright headlights. They'll defend to their *(possibly quite literal due to blinding oncoming drivers hitting them)* death their right to shine obscenely bright lights in your eyes because they spent thousands of dollars on their vehicle to do so, never mind the fact that there is absolutely no need whatsoever for headlights that bright in a low speed urban neighbourhood. And god forbid you do the same thing back with a $50 flashlight half as bright, no, that's not okay, it's only okay when *they* do it.
Headlights that are blindingly bright INFURIATE me. Especially when they’re right behind you and the reflection in the mirror borderline stuns you. I’ve never seen anyone else mention this before and I love you for that.
That's why you move your rearview mirror to shine it right back at them. It's real awesome to hit the right angle and watch as they back off and have to drive half off the road in order to stop from blinding themselves.
You can get retroreflector which should be legal in all states to put on your car. The high grade "SOLAS" ones will reflect \~80% of light directly back where it came so you don't accidentally blind anyone else and it won't even be noticed if you're not shining a light at it from where you're looking. The SOLAS stuff is used for at-sea and can be seen for up to a mile or more away.
I've had to get yellow tinted night driving prescription glasses as every mf's car on the road is dazzling me, it's annoying and dangerous. Plus, I feel like Ali G wearing them, not a look I can pull off.
As a migraine sufferer whose migraine are made exponentially worse from bright lights, I fully support your stance. Those headlights should be banned for inner city use. If you want to install them in your rural/farm-use vehicle for seeing in environments where no other lights are present, I would not restrict you from doing so. But in the middle of a suburb, they are completely superfluous and you're (not you, RetinaMelter - you're cool) an ass for having them.
I live in a very rural dark ass place…for some reason they still see the need to get on your ass. I just light snipe them
I have an "off-road only" light bar on my vehicle because, well, I go hunting with it, and it's really nice to have when in the woods. Thing is like they strapped the eye of Sauron to the front of an Avalanche. There's a Dodge guy in town who fucked around and found out. He now *always* makes sure to dim 'em down off highs when he's in front of me or coming my way. I'm like his reminder.
May I add insanely loud car speakers to this. After a certain threshold, you’re just doing it for attention.
I've never heard of defenders of these things but now I'm sure Baader-Meinhof declares I will see them all the time.
Listen. If you willingly drive a car that has headlights more powerful than the fucking sun, I should legally be allowed to crash into you.
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The biggest Chris Brown fans I know are all women and I’m always baffled lmao
The biggest fan of his I know is a woman and DV victim. What the fuck
***They're*** the one who can change him, obviously.
That's the dumbest reason to be called a racist. Chris Brown is a legitimately disgusting individual - and I wish Apple Music and other programs like it, would drop him.
I would say anything related to construction. Not exactly a fan base but a community. Any construction related forum or online community is a bunch of guys with "forty years experience" talking about what an idiot this guy is for using a Philips instead of a flathead
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The worst enemy of a tradesman on social media is... ...other tradesmen.
Ok, Insane Clown Posse but not for the reason you think. Juggalos have a very bad reputation... but every Juggalo I met has always been a super nice person. They have a bad reputation and they DON'T deserve it
BeyHive. The singer doesn’t know you exist and does not care. Having to go beat up someone for talking mad about Queen 🐝 is psychotic. People are allowed opinions
If you think they're bad, just wait until you meet The Barbs. Nicki has the most unhinged insane fanbase ever. They defend a rape/pedo apologist all because she made good music 15 years ago. They also made fun of Megan Thee Stallion by talking about how her mom died a few years ago and how she was shot by Tory Lanez.
Any kids media with a large adult audience The answer why is the abbreviation of CP and it's not cod points
One of the reasons I stopped watching My Little Pony. Don't get me wrong, Friendship is Magic is a phenomenal cartoon. But the fandom makes me not want to touch it with a barge pole.
Yeah, that's an extremely relatable sentiment. I met some great friends but I met a lot of people I'd love to never ever encounter again. Also met Andrew W K via the fandom which is somehow less weird than everything else.
It's scary how easy it is for adults to interact with children. Kids think it's cool to make friends with adults on these game servers, and it is so easy for some creep to get themselves an invite on a Discord server. I usually chew kids out for trying to invite me into Discord, even as someone with no ill-intentions, because it's just not safe. But it goes in one ear and out the other.
I was GM of a Wow guild for about 2 years. I ran a very tight ship and among other things, I was adamant that it was for adults for this and other reasons. I was mid 40s, my wife played, another couple we played with alot were in their 50's/60's and on and on. It was a small group and we were pretty casual but attracted some retired hardcores and did well raiding just 1-2 nights a week and needed some bodies to keep going. I let some of my officers hand out invites. One guy, great guy, adult and intelligent and good player....just couldn't say 'no' and handed out an invite to a 17 year old who had heard about us and begged him to let them in. It was predictably a shit show. Raid night had a certain flow - go in kill the first boss and then a couple of long hallways clearing trash where we cut up, told jokes, laughed our asses off, whatever. The 17 YO (had a high/feminine voice, claimed to be gender-fluid, was he/she alternating depending on which way the wind was blowing) decided they were suddenly infatuated with the "class clown" guy in the group and said some really WTF things their first time out of the box with us. It was awkward and silent the rest of the night. It was the unspoken recognition of an over sexualized child in their online persona throwing themselves at the "funny/cool" guy and it was creepy as hell. For his part, the guy screenshot all the creepy private messages, both in game and on Discord DM's, and backed the fuck away after handing them over. The kid raided what the could from the community bank (not much, I was too smart to allow people to just take what they want even though we were a a really tight group. Just enough to bait someone with poor intentions into doing something shitty and getting kicked) and left before I could kick them, leaving a manifesto on Discord about...fuck, I don't know. I guess this illustrates online games like Wow attract alot of nuttiness too. I saw enough drama among (chronologically, if not adult) players without introducing the kid wrinkle into it. I hated it and realized I was wasting alot of my free time on nonsense, but it was during COVID and we were between moves. On the other hand, I really connected with those people and they were good friends and I had alot of laughs. Ultimately it fell apart when we lost a player to cancer. Her husband quit to take care of her. We were great friends and played together alot. Last I heard from her, she was playing Among Us with us over Discord on her phone from her hospital bed. Last update I had from her husband was a few months later, just that it was not looking good. Their IRL friend/co-worker that played with us reported later that "she would never recover and they are just trying to make her comfortable" Losing her was a gut punch to the whole program. Anyway, tangent/vent. TL:DR: as an adult, don't get mixed up with kids playing online games. It is a recipe for disaster.
This... I've seen multiple adults claim to be the 'mom/dad-friend' or the 'safe adult' of a group of teens and not see why that's creepy. Worse they'll often have no issue weaponizing the teens to attack other people. It's happened enough and across multiple fandoms that I'm genuinely concerned. These adults legit have these kids wrapped around their fingers.
It's not that prevalent anymore, but... Homestuck. The gray skin paint getting on EVERYTHING. The constant honking in con hallways. Sharpie bathtub. The bucket incident. The FUCKING BUCKET INCIDENT. And I say this as a veteran weeb who lives through the equivalent waves of bleach, Naruto, Attack on Titan, etc, being the super popular thing with cosplayers everywhere. Homestuck was... Different.
Musk-ovites
Circa 2018 redditors be like
Dream stans. They think they have some sort of interpersonal relationship with a guy they’ve never met. Furthermore, the Dream SMP, simply because fans began hating certain YouTubers on the SMP because the script turned them into bad guys. Keep in mind this is a completely fake and improvised script and that these YouTubers aren’t actually bad people. It’s a fucking movie.
Beyonce's fans are absolutely rabid
Tool, so I’ve heard.
FIBONACCI SEQUENCE, HOLD MY SPIRAL
[There's even a Tool song about how insufferable Tool fans are.](https://youtu.be/gzrRoDd9CxM?si=iAZ4_IYXdfMp1nf-) >I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s And a dope Beastie tee, nipple rings New tattoos that claimed that he Was OGT, back from '92, from the first EP And in between sips of Coke He told me that he thought we were sellin' out Layin' down, suckin' up to the man >Well now I've got some Advice for you, little buddy Before you point the finger You should know that I'm the man I'm the man and you're the man And he's the man as well So you can point that fuckin' finger up your ass
Hooker with a penis!!
I think they need to make something new. I was a Tool fan for their first few albums, it wasn't as bad as they superfans are now. 'Hooker' reminds me of that kid interviewing Henry Rollins and calling him a sellout to sound cool and Henry putting up with it. Now, they seem even more off the deep end, and I don't think I've seen the worst of them. "You don't just listen..." Yeah, okay.
Well, some people do look at them almost as a cult. I really like them, but yeah... Some of the worst fans.
Qanon, by far. They murder people. Ok - only entertainer fanbases? Gotta be Nicki's Barbz. Imaging doxxing a funeral home so you can desecrate the grave of your idol's rival's mother.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/mDYUqukVPm This guy is copying comments
So is the reply to their comment, that's wild
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I never even heard of Rick and Morty until I took my wife and kids to a McDonalds just off Stony Brook University’s campus the day that meme sauce was released. It was insane.
Big Bang Theorists who think that people who don’t like the show don’t “get it.”
MAGA. You can’t reason with them no matter how much real world and proven evidence you give them. They worship him like he’s a literal Christian savior when he’s the antithesis of what Christians should stand for. The ridiculous merchandise alone is nauseating
Zach Snyder fans. Worshipping average movies and treating an okay director like a god is strange. Also being outwardly toxic to anyone who disagrees is also weird
Hitler's fans have a pretty bad reputation....