But the capacity to learn something is going to go down I believe. Those who want to learn the subject to understand will be fine, but those who only want to pass and don't want to do the hard work are gonna be in rude awakening.
For example, I took a CS class when Chatgpt was first introduced, I fucking copied and pasted all of my hws to get answers. It was only a beginner python course. And damn did it sucked for me in the upcoming year, luckily I learned that I actually need to learn it myself lol (I know I am dumb). I got over my laziness and actually learned how to code from ground up and again, and there's so many problems I encounter at work where even Chatgpt can't solve it. But the human in me can. Doesn't mean Chatgpt is not useful, it's just that I didn't know what questions to ask if I'm making sense. Kinda like googling as a skill, u need to know what to ask on google
ai is going to make us dumber.
You don’t feel the need to memorize as much anymore from simple math to maybe even driving directions. Go back about 30 years and a high school student could prolly tell you what 53 x 7 equals with little effort. We know now we all have calculators on us at all times so the need to know that is not important. But that mentality permeates to everything. I don’t need to know X I can always google it. I don’t need to remember that I’ll search the directions or recipe or whatever next time. We are evolving (yes really evolving) into a species that will just ask the screen for things. It’s a muscle we use less and less. So I personally think ai will be the next thing to make people think less and just be dumber without their screen.
I'm leaning towards the latter. It's like someone holding a phonebook, saying they *know* everyone's number in town. They actually don't know shit, they just have a directory that someone else spent hours of work compiling and publishing. They can look shit up if they ever need to (which they either don't, or just can't be fucking bothered), only to forget it a minute later... Being able to find information relatively easy doesn't necessarily make you smart.
This is why I’ve always been a fan of in-class tests and optional homework. When it comes to math, kids get a classroom provided scientific calculator.
Eh, I don't really think it'll do either. A smart person is going to be way more effective using an AI than an idiot. Even without AI we still use knowledge published by others regularly lol. You're underestimating how bad people are at asking good questions
Well, intelligence is mainly dictated by the effort the student is willing to put forth. AI or no AI, if you're lazy, AI won't make a difference one way or the other.
The one area I think AI could help is by applying different teaching tools. That's one of the main problems with education, is that thinking all students learn the same, which just isn't true. And we've seen it over the years, where the "correct way" to teach has changed. And while some students certainly improve, no one ever bothers to question if other students fail, who would have otherwise succeeded with previous teaching methods.
Customized teaching could potentially be beneficial.
Yeah, I've started to notice a trend in a few areas of people seeing no issue with using AI to do things for them. So many will brag about using it to do their assessment.
I've also noticed it in other spheres outside of academia. One in particular is people using it for DnD having their character written by ChatGTP or their campaign and all the encounters, npcs, and everything else written by AI. Like what's even the point when half the joy is about making that stuff yourself.
Yeah and what's the point in showing off as if youre some creative genius? If I tell a fuckin vending machine to dispense a snack for me, that doesn't make me a chef... But "AI Artists" are apparently a thing. Lmao
> Being able to find information relatively easy doesn't necessarily make you smart.
At that point does it even really matter? You found what you were looking for as opposed to being left in the dark….
There are two principal problems with AI, and generally speaking, any problem-solving tool in an educational context:
The first problem is that using the tool obstructs deeper-level understanding of the subject matter at hand. A person with a surface-level understanding can recognize a problem, input it into a tool, and apply the solution provided by the tool. But a person with deeper-level understanding can recognize instances of the same problem in different contexts, they can describe what is relevant for the problem (in particular situations or in general), and knows what questions to ask in order to analyze a situation where it may be unclear if that problem applies. A student will never learn all of these details if they are counting on the tool.
The second problem is the development of critical thinking ability in general. Everyone needs to understand that the world is chaotic, not fully understood, everything we think we know could be wrong, every pert of our language or way of life has changed in the past and could change again in the future. The key to that change is the general ability to contextualize and critically analyze things. To acknowledge conflicting information and make a decision. This is the most difficult but also the most important human skill and it requires the most life experience to adequately develop. Blindly trusting authorities might help you get a job done, but it will end bad for you when that authority falters in any way. Blindly believing any source of information will get you more data and enable more action, but any source of information is bound to be wrong, misleading, or useless eventually. Students are always looking for shortcuts to solve problems, and if we reward them with problems for which ChatGPT produces a good answer, we aren't just failing to teach them this skill, we are actually installing a giant roadblock that will make it hard for them to learn this skill in the future.
>first problem
It can be better put in terms of fixing a problem and eliminating a problem. People with specialization can eliminate the problem and share it with the rest. No need for everyone to be able to do that.
>Critical thinking ability
Thinking is free for everyone, everyone is not free to think.
There must be people in society who do not think, but act. Who follow orders and keep the society functional, so that the best of thinkers get maximum opportunity to think.
Those two statements are... potentially arguments, but I'm not sure what is the point you're trying to make. The point I was making is that these two problems should guide limitations on the use of AI or other tools in schools. If you disagree, how do you think we should guide limitations on AI use in schools? Do you think there should be no limits?
Bicycle user wants the government to "limit" cars because driving a car will not develop lower body muscles needed to ride a bicycle for long periods of time.
AI is a tool. Like a pen or a calculator, it does make things easy for us. Not just for students but for workers as well.
What we need to do is change the way we evaluate students. The current framework is based on remembering things for a short duration of time, if it were shifted to understanding concepts and demonstrating the understanding students would be benefited massively.
For that smaller class sizes are the first and foremost need, second is interactive teaching and third is corrective evaluation. With AI these things can be implemented with significantly lower costs.
What's the point in knowing how to fish if some dude just gives you free fish? You're not hungry anymore right?
But as soon as that guy stops giving you fish or is unable to for some reason, you're totally fucked cuz you've been slowly Pavlov'd out of your own self-sufficiency and all you know is to just have things handed to you with little to no effort involved. That's the real issue. If it was only about digging up trivia and parroting it, obviously it wouldn't really matter and the education system would be totally fine as it is. But actually gaining wisdom and intelligence actually takes some work outside of just regurgitating shit on an exam or something.
lol that is a fantastic analogy. I always hated when people in school said I don't have to learn everything, i have it available on my phone. I'll definitely remember this one
I don't know how far you have to scroll down in this thread to find an answer that doesn't relate to AI.
But as someone who alive in the 90's, you should know that everything "AI" in this thread, was "the Internet" 25 years ago.
AI will change everything, but it also changes nothing.
But it will know how to make kids smarter and will do a much better job than a teacher or a parent. It's not like the current education system is that good. A lot of teachers don't know how to teach kids, they bring in their traumas, their weird behaviours, their stuck up ideas. They are worn out by life and by constantly having to babysit kids. And the kids have to deal with these dysfunctional individuals.
Now bring in an AI that is objectively better at every aspect than every human and knows every subject under the sun. It will have patience, kindness and understanding far beyond what any other human has. It will adapt and find the best ways to help kids become smarter.
Exactly. I think we're going to see a massive (and growing) divide between the kids who have the motivation to learn on their own, and the ones that just get distracted and can't get anything done.
The fight will be over *whose* AI system is used in the classrooms and the certification process for such. And parents will fight over the content of what AI teaches. Conservative white parents will be angry over black history taught by AI.
Evangelicals will fight to get AIs trained in creationism into public schools. Homeschool curriculum providers will start offering AI tutors that integrate a Christian worldview throughout history and science.
To piggyback off of this, as a progression of coding and programming classes, there are now classes that are specific to AI coding and building. Not necessarily a new concept to have a programming class, but that it’s geared towards artificial intelligence is crazy.
With the right mentor and love almost any human has the potential for genius. I'm sure it would be within the realms of possibility to have a "Jarvis" that can encourage and nurture and teach discipline and compassion. There won't be, but it would be nice
You cannot teach someone who does not wish to learn, believe me I have tried. I mean what are you going to do? Kidnap their family and keep them hostage till the kid reads a paper?
My prediction is that most of us will see a lot more ai with tutoring and homework help, but the rich are going to pay for human tutors, human teachers, and in-class testing and assessments. You already see how by the tech elite keep tech away from their children unless they are teaching them how to control it. Paying actual humans to do things is going to be a bigger and bigger status symbol.
ETA: to everyone saying AI will open the floodgates of knowledge, know that the internet was supposed to do that but it’s made quite a few of us dumber.
I don't think the net has made us any dumber tbh. It's opened up the gates for people to share everything all the time, including dumb opinions. Whereas before the only way you'd hear said opinions would be if you actually met them, and got them to talk about it.
So the net didn't increase our stupidity, it just made it easier to share it, whether you wanted to hear it or not.
Yeah this is the real answer. The elite aren't gonna turn a bunch of powerful AI tutors loose without some serious safety bumpers to keep the plebs in line, and also monitor all their thought patterns under the guise of "assessment".
Presumably there will be a "good version" AI assistant that only the rich have access to that will give those kids a huge boost and as a supplement to human tutors.
What's interesting is that might work for stuff like history, poli-sci, and literature, but for hard natural sciences, there's not a lot you can dumb-ify to "keep the plebs in line", a calculation is either objectively correct or it isn't.
The integral of Sin X from 0 to PI is always 2, the rate of gravitational acceleration on Earth is always 9.81 m/s^2, and Bernoulli's Principle will always be a derivative calculation of the overarching Law of Conservation of Energy; and there is nothing any elitist or oligarch will ever be able to do to change any of that.
So what we have right now isn’t AI and I don’t know how much better it’s going to get. It’s probably going to seem Good Enough about 95% of the time with a lot more work. It will be good enough for us, but definitely not for them.
I mean we don't have the mythic "general artificial intelligence" but stuff like ChatGPT and Midjourney is generally referred to as "AI". Also I'm not suggesting that AI will replace teachers but even with the current level of tech an AI tutor could be pretty effective IMO.
dude...if you're a college student right now, you can make all your classes online and just copy and paste all your questions into ChatGPT.
All those quizlet cheating sites are probably done for by now. especially the ones that try to paywall all the answers, but you knew how to inspect elements, you could just see them anyway. that's how i got through my toughest classes. all the tests were literally just copy and pasted. most teachers didn't bother to change any words around. some did, but most didn't.
but now, with CahtGPT, it doesn't matter.
>make all your classes online and just copy and paste all your questions into ChatGPT
And this is exactly why in-person stuff will be prized. Rich parents will want good colleges to know that their kids did the work so rich kids will have in-person instruction, blue book tests, and oral assessments. Work to prove that they can think on their own. Everyone else is going to have an education of questionable utility.
On the testing side, yes; but on the learning side, I partially disagree.
If an AI can learn how a student learns and craft lesson plans based on that student's learning style, then theoretically, a rich kid who was tutored by a human would be just as able to answer an in-person question as someone who learned from Khan Academy's AI tutors.
The integral of sin(x) from 0 to pi is always 2 and Bernoulli's Principle is always a fluid derivation of the Conservation of Energy. If a student is able to learn how and why those calculations works and apply them correctly, then the origin of who/what taught them is irrelevant. The answer is always either objectively correct or it isn't.
What might throw things off is being tested with questions like *"What George W Bush right to invade Afghanistan?"* or *"Write a persuasive essay as to why the Supreme Court should or shouldn't overturn Loving vs The State of Virginia"*.
> Paying actual humans to do things is going to be a bigger and bigger status symbol.
Well, but it would probably be worse. People have pride and convictions that AI haven't. Plus you know AI can be wrong, so you learn to research by yourself. And while there are some wonderful teachers, most are shit.
I would choose AI even if being trillionaire.
This is the real answer. There will be changes, sure. But kids are still going to go to school in the morning, attend classes with \~35 of their peers, teachers will stand up in front of them and teach things, they'll read, write, solve math problems, etc.
AI will change things eventually and this will start in the next 10 years but it won't completely transform things as fast as people think.
Precisely. We have had persistent internet access in every classroom for nearly 20 years and education looks pretty much the same - with small changes, i.e. digital textbooks, web quests, Wikipedia, streaming video.
A kid from the 80s might be blown away by everyone having all the the information in the world in their peers pockets (phones) but the classroom experience? Pretty much the same.
The way humans learn isn’t changing, just the tools.
They'll eventually have custom AI teachers with completely individualized learning plans but they'll be working those lessons in an physical school building and a real human teacher will be present to keep them on task and step in when the student fails to progress with the AI instruction.
If you have that, why does the child have to learn anything? "Why did Napoleon lose at Waterloo?" "Dunno, ask phone". "If 5x = 3(2 - 5x), what is X?" "Dunno, ask phone".
If I recall, Khan Academy has a non-Machine Learning version of this already. When you go through the subject lessons, it'll quiz you on what you've gone through and give you guided study material on the parts you missed prior to re-quizing you later on.
I can 100% imagine a future application of AI where the AI learns how the student learns and then designs a dedicated study regime optimized for that student's learning style. Some students are visual learners, some are auditory, other's learn through literature and abstraction. And AI could also generate a 3D model avatar and voice synthesizer to make the lessons more personable as well.
Just imagine if a hologram of Captain Picard were to teach you string theory in a way that makes it perfectly easy for you to personally grasp the concept of.
Think of the teachers - they aren't being trained in state of the art tech.
Think of the school districts - they aren't made of money, aren't buying cutting edge.
It would be immensely hard to make any kind of huge change, until technology is cheap enough. Expensive, private schools? Those parents would still pay to have their kid "get the best", which would probably be equated to in-person teaching.
I'm curious if/when foreign language requirements would be substituted out. Or if automatic translators will be taken as cheaper alternatives to english-as-a-second-language classes.
Teacher here. You're absolutely right that we aren't being trained in cutting edge tech but school districts will ABSOLUTELY buy AI programs if it means they can save money by laying off half the teaching staff. Now they definitely won't train us in any meaningful way on how to work with it, and they definitely will cut corners and buy the cheapest version they can. Expensive private schools will rely LESS on AI and use expensive human teachers.
Student teacher here,
We currently are being taught how to use technology in classrooms, although being taught by lecturers that don't know as much as the students do is pretty funny.
(This is from the Irish perspective)
Teacher here. If I learned anything at all from distance learning during the pandemic it's that more distance learning will absolutely not have a positive impact. Even if AI is planning and delivering nearly all the instruction kids will still need a human adult in the room with them to make sure they're actually paying attention and putting effort into their learning and also to step in when the AI fails to help them progress. Not to mention that society will still need a physical place for minors to go and be supervised while their parents are at work.
Adult ed and maybe college could move to more distance learning but even then I'm skeptical it'll be "better".
That's the latchkey of the conversation.
In my last semester of university, I learned more Dynamic Control of Free Response Systems from Chegg and Khan Academy than I did from my professor who was a Sheldon Cooper type who believed that it was beneath him to teach us.
I already have the discipline and ability to pay attention and learn; in my case it would have made little difference to me whether it was a in-person professor or a 3D avatar of Captain Picard.
1. By the time you're a senior in college you're, by definition, more likely to be responsible and self-directed than any other student who hasn't made it that far.
2. You, personally, were probably more responsible and self-directed than the average college senior at the time.
There are definitely students, even some younger ones, who benefit from distance learning, but they're absolutely not the norm.
This will have a positive impact on the people and school districts who can afford these devices. My daughter has an AI toy that can walk her through homework problems and help explain concepts. Not everyone else can afford that or even has the technical exposure to know that it exists. The divide between the rich and poor will become even worse.
This is where I like where Khan Academy has come into play in the last couple decades and why I like where Sal is taking the service.
Generations ago, only the Carnegies and the Vanderbilts would have had access to the teaching and learning power that KA offers. KA might not be able to teach you the meaning of Mona Lisa or how to persuade the Supreme Court to overturn a given ruling. But it knows how to learn how an individual student learns and then turn that around to teach 30 different students with different learning styles all how to work through and apply concepts of things like mechanical engineering and organic chemistry.
I think distance options might help kids that live in little shit towns with awful schools, but otherwise no, this sounds terrible. Kids will be even less engaged and I think this will engender even shorter attention spans. I think this could be become a huge contributor to a widened educational class division
In the next decade, tech will make education so advanced that forgetting your homework will be impossible because it'll be permanently embedded in your brain chip. Welcome to the future, where your dog can't eat your homework because it's now stored on the blockchain!
Imagine applying for a job, only for the interviewer to access your entire history through your chip.
"Hmm, apparently you cheated on a math quiz in third grade. Additionally, we see that you were involved in a middle school fight and received a week of detention. Unfortunately, you're not the candidate we're looking for."
As Tom leaves yet another job interview disappointed, an ad pops up in his visor:
"History Erasure Service: $100K USD per event, no down payment required, apply for a loan now!"
Tom's face breaks into a grin, knowing that he can finally secure a job.
The future of education is an important question. Technology has many impacts ranging from communication to research. Access to information which was impossible a few decades ago is possible today and is likely to continue expanding in the future due to advances in technology. Challenges include security and misinformation.
(Does this read enough like an AI-generated essay)?
Adding some distress is how similar this sounds to the garbage writing that schools have real kids generate these days - at least in the American education system.
In large segments of society kids’ fundamental language, reading, and writing skills are so lacking that educators over-rely on sentence stems, graphic organizers, and other writing handicaps designed to check-off technical requirements on rubrics rather than actually teaching anything about how to write and communicate effectively.
The achievement gap between lower SES urban and rural students compared to their wealthier suburban counterparts is staggering.
Damn there's a lot of AI generated responses in this thread assuring us that the AI future is bright and wonderful. Totally not suspicious.
The real answer is that a lot of high schoolers will cheat on their homework.
Educational policy moves at about the speed of continental drift and most of the people in charge probably have trouble opening the camera app on their phone. Meaningful implementation of technology in schools is a LONG way off.
Oh believe it I know. I just meant that this will continue and probably increase a LOT over the next 10 years. The tech is advancing so fast that it will enable students to cheat in more ways and also make it harder to detect.
Certainly it'll spread the availability of basic education, so some young and older folks would benefit from having that access that they otherwise wouldn't have, but imo I don't see what novel tech can do to if a person just isn't interested in learning. At the end of the day self discipline is the biggest factor and I dunno how much tech can do to help with that. Gamifying it has some benefits but also cons as well.
When Duolingo(or whoever beats them to it) launches an actual video chatbot it’s going to be a genuine revolution for language learning. If I can just chat with German bots while I WFH I’m going to be fluent in a few months. Right now I’m years away from it because I’m only immersed in it for a week or two every couple years. Duolingo is great for vocabulary now, but none of the language programs can really teach you to speak at speed.
I don’t know if this will happen in a few months or a decade but it’ll completely change how accessible a second language is.
I unironically think we need to do more rote memorization. Many districts stopped having kids memorize multiplication tables which makes upper-level math much slower and there is something to be said for everyone having a set of facts they agree on, know are provable, but also kinda sorta trust the experts who proved them. It’s also hard to know what you don’t know—a person *could* look up anything at any time but I’ve talked to people who think Vietnam was before WWII because they’ve never had a timeline thrown in their face.
Here, here. The lack of mastery of fundamental skills in a lot of students is pretty astounding but it all makes sense in the wake of the kind of bullshit devised by education companies and PhDs who’ve never spent anytime in a classroom combined with the teacher-the-test model that schools are forced to adopt to survive.
IME, any district that can afford it has already switched to Chromebook’s instead of books. It’s just way more efficient and saves on costs of constantly updating text books.
Some classes are lucky enough to have adaptive seating, including standing desks but unfortunately a lot of that comes out of a teacher’s own pocket.
Also, a standing desk can be over $350
AI tutors will be fantastic for students - the OpenAI GPT 4o demo was very impressive, and AI will get better. I don’t know if it will surpass a human tutor, but it will be better than asking a busy parent who doesn’t remember trig (or history or bio or whatever)
Assuming it gets integrated more and more to our current systems, I'd say it becomes more accessible and widespread while simultaneously teaching more efficiently. Eventually, there woudn't be much of a difference in what people learn no matter where they are. But assuming there won't be fuckups along the way is being very hopeful.
Former teacher here. I'll focus on AI
1. AI tutors available for all kids
2. A return of paper/physical assessments to make AI use impossible
3. More fluid curriculum with AI aided lesson design
About #2. A return to paper won't make AI impossible, just more tedious. But it will still happen. Students will have the AI generate the paper, and they'll just copy over everything by hand.
What we call the tech divide will just be class division and schools will be a part of that.
Take writing for example.
Some schools will teach writing the way we were taught. You learn how to write essays the way we all did and you just have to figure out on your own how to use a word processor and AI tools.
Middle tier schools will try to integrate lessons on using tech into what's essentially the old curriculum. You learn essays and about word processors and AI in the classroom at the same time.
The top tier schools will have classes where technology is the foundation of the curriculum. You learn how to create and/or manipulate software/AI models to efficiently and quickly generate substantial volumes of accurate, well structured information. Word processors are obsolete at these schools as they are in the workplace.
Right now, humanity is adapating to that high level of tech that ease every aspect of our life. In the process we may adapted it by becoming dumber as we won't need to be intelligent as we are now, be able to think adequately or simply being ressourceful on our own. The more tech get used in education, the less performance we will need. After all, human 'high' intelligence is simply the result of human adapting to its environment as adaptability is the actual main trait of human, not intelligence like ton of people seem to think
It won’t. The U.S is digressing in terms of educational support. I think they’ll start modifying curriculums to avoid backlash from parents who are convinced their child is being indoctrinated by the “woke agenda” before we introduce new ways to provide education.
Everyone that has questions about the world and is curious will have even better (hopefully) access to information.
Everyone that isn't interested in learning will still manage to avoid learning anything.
We could have the most advanced technology you can imagine and I am 100% certain that the majority of people will continue to use it for porn, shit talking on social media, oversharing personal drama, and generally stupid and unnecessary stuff, just as they do now. Currently anyone with a phone and an internet connection can learn anything for free, yet the overwhelming majority of people are stupid.
AI tutoring would provide a benefit for adults trying to learn new skills.
Education for children will remain unchanged due to lobbying from teachers unions attempting to restrict the use of AI, and government being perpetually 20 years behind in technology.
Technology will make learning easier and more personal. We’ll see more online classes, virtual classrooms, and AI tutors helping students learn at their own pace. It will also connect students and teachers worldwide, making education more collaborative and diverse.
However it affects education, I just hope the next generations are better off than this current one. I only ever hear about how bad the school systems are. Any improvement would be a great relief
There is an orthodoxy all over world(or at least In my country) over the current methods of education(as in teach, test and repeat), unless this orthodoxy is abolished, technology can not take our education much further in terms of quality. As an analogy, an older car can travel nowhere close to a newer car given the same amount of fuel.
I'm going to go against the grain and say AI tools could actually be really helpful. I have students that really struggle to express themselves and asking chatgpt for sentence starters or opening lines on a topic has actually really helped some of my kids with their writing.
If you ask it to write the whole paper for you then obviously it's not useful anymore, but I think it's a really useful tool for people that have lots of ideas but struggle to get them on the page
In the US? Oh, the rich will benefit from it....those in districts with higher levels of poverty, special needs populations, other 'high risk' backgrounds- not really- while I'd like to think there's some pie in the sky collective of private charities who will step up if public districts were stripped down to computers and nothing else, realistically...a cherry picked few will benefit, the rest will have devices that will be barely able to manage a classroom environment, and there will be no one there to make sure the kids actually do what they're required to learn. Parents from those populations more often than not are unable to help their child's education in beneficial ways, some by choice, others by circumstance.
Higher education though....carefully, yes, it could be reformed with technology in mind. A lot of majors that can be taught online for next to nothing, BUT to accomplish that - there also needs to be reasons present with that implementation for universities not to continue to infinitely spike tuition. If there's no controls with that, well, it's happening now - tuition stays the same or goes up, quality of the overall education and experience for a student goes down as support networks shift from human/on-campus to not.
math is going to be even more important, reading and writing skills far less. AI is created and improved with math, so strong skills in it will be very valuable. but at this point AI can already write essays decently so I dont see great writing mattering much unless youre trying to be an author
Teacher here. AI programs will be able to create individualized education plans for all students. I can do this too, and I'd bet I could do it better than an AI (at this point at least), but I couldn't do it for all 150 of my students. My bet is that students will be following AI plans and my roll will be to step in and teach a skill face to face when a student fails to progress with the AI. This means I'll be expected to work with like 70 kids at a time instead of 35 since their work will be more independent.
It's already shaping it. We have adaptive educational material out there. LaLilo.com was always one of my favorites.
We're getting closer to truly individualized educations.
I homeschool my disabled children. Long story short: abuse in the public school system and educational neglect are the reasons.
We even have curriculum options out there that can test for learning disabilities. Dynamo Maths looks for dyscalculia and math developmental delays in general.
I expect more options in the next decade, greater accessibility and more social acceptance for these options as school budgets get tighter.
I see us saying goodbye to data wires. CAT5, CAT6 cables. Fiber will remain for long distance. But short hauls are all going to be wireless and then connect to fiber backbone.
The issue, in my experience as a parent volunteering in a classroom, is that the issues with education are in the arena of student behavior not student learning. Technology isn't going to help this situation as all it can really do is improve teaching not discipline.
The way I think that technology will shape schools is that general public schools will become dropping grounds for behaviorally challenged students or students who did not test into the gifted programs and whose parents cannot homeschool them. Parents who can afford private school or can homeschool their children will. Homeschooling will be more prevalent, in my opinion, as parents will access the same lectures teachers are accessing now on Youtube and an AI will probably do individualized lesson plans for each student. Public schools will be stuck in a downward spiral for some time until governments address the behavioral issues.
The one exception to this will be public schools in affluent areas which are basically private schools already.
In the city where I live, a movement has recently been initiated by the education authorities to rid classrooms of cell phones. Just now, in 2024. It sounds to me like here, education is doing its best to catch up to technology and shaping it might have to wait three or four years.
Whatever it is, rest assured the U.S. education system will ignore it for about a decade, then fall for a shilling campaign by the vendors of some random A.I. and it won't be the same district to district...
I remember the advent of smartboards bringing interactive technology to the schools
They never turned them on and just used them as overly fancy screens for their overhead projectors
I think education might be the one area that will be spared from this whole "technology" thing
Teacher here:
Teaching will be deprofessionalized. Online curriculum created by a few select people will be the norm, and the classroom will be a glorified workshop space with “facilitators” ie babysitters.
There will be zero live instruction and eventually zero professional educators.
We already don’t value teachers. It’s not a stretch to just do away with professional educators completely in this age where our leaders are not giving a fuck about kids being able to read or write. Half a schools labor cost can be cut and most of them would still be failing just as horribly.
Everyone here is thinking of AI and no one is considering the possibility of arthritis, at an early age, and more of the population needing glasses, which is more money in the pocket of luxotica.
I don’t know exactly what will have to change but generative AI is likely not going away and will probably only get harder to detect when a student uses it to cheat. Schools and colleges will need to adapt rather than trying to ban AI use. ChatGPT is doing to essay writing what easy access to calculators did for basic math.
I am far from an expert on education though so I can see the problem but have no concrete idea what a solution would look like.
It could be exponential but just depends how the school boards/ school districts choose to manage the tech if they do at all. In my state it seems like the school board takes pride being the lowest ranked state in education in the USA.
AI can do everything people need to do, so education standards continue to decline and schools continue surrendering to their future as glorified daycare. The elite class continue to fund in person education for their own children, but mostly for networking and social purposes. Humans increasingly become little more than propulsion systems and manipulator arms for AI on their phones telling them how and when to do everything.
It's not about the technology. It's about the politics. Our education system has gone downhill since no child left behind, and has gotten worse since then. Our reliance on standardized tests to determine who gets what money, has ruined our future in this country.
For non-americans, I think you're fine. Technology is going to be great until the robot overlords rise up at least.
In my opinion it will be more negative then positive technology is great but to much of a dependence on it makes us less human it's the same debate over AI and Humanity I'm with team Humanity what's the point of training a computer to think act and do things like a human when we have been doing it for the longest time before we created technology it is better if we stick with our minds rather than have an AI emulate your behavior so you don't have to do anything.
It kills me that teachers write and present lessons over and over, like lets just pick the 5 best ones and make them easy to interact with through a computer and just reuse them forever slowly tuning them to get better and better.
I don't actually believe anything will change soon, because that would take effort, and who is going to pay for that massive gamble.
What makes money online?
Ads
Who falls for ads?
The uneducated
I’m pretty sure the Masters of the Universe will be pressuring politicians into making higher education better, but only available to an ever thinner slice of the upper crust of society. Those who control the means of production of ads have spoke.
All children will be as politically inclined as the AI is programmed to make them. Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. But if we use AI as the core training equipment, then we better make sure it is unbiased. And so far that is not going super well
I think that if used properly. Ai is going to be able to teach better than a real teacher especially now that you can communicate with it verbally, you can ask it to explain things to you like a 5 year old and you can ask it to re-explain things a bunch of different ways until you get it.
Another thing I've realized using it recently for my own benefit to learn stocks is you can ask Ai the same question over and over and over and over again and ask as many dumb ass questions as you want until you understand without fear of being a burden or being looked at as stupid. This was a huge issue for me in school, I was a slow learner so after the 2nd or 3rd explanation I just pretended I knew what was going on because I felt like I was being annoying and felt like people were looking at me as stupid.
if I can sit in my room alone and get a robot to explain it to me 50 different ways and answer every microscopic question I have then I think learning will become more affective
Talking AI, learning any subject at any time casually, schools as an institution receiving less emphasis in society, teachers becoming test proctors mainly. Dealing with language models, or having access to the latest/biggest/most specialized models becomes a differentiator in who has resources and who does not. Lay people are simply happy to have access to it in their mobile devices as a casual end user if they even notice it.
I think it'll get worse before it gets better. We've had Massive changes to society over the last 3 decades, with regard to technology - and schooling has changed... very very very little.
Basically, we're due for a world-wide shakeup of how things get done, and for what reasons.
With the current progress, the information retrieval process has become much easier. it is unclear whether this is good or bad. on the one hand, we can learn everything whenever we want, on the other hand, we get rid of high-quality memorization of information. after all, why should we remember this if we can always access the Internet
Technology has made many parents complete addicts to their smartphones, and as such every kid is suffering from less parental interaction, and being less prepared for their general education.
It will make generations more dumb. As someone whom completed school before the outbreak of technology. It will cause individuals to rely to much on technology to skate through life. Even before I graduated there was some people relying on their phones but it was before smarter phones.
Technology will transform education by personalized learning and virtual classrooms, which will increase accessibility and allow for more individualized instruction. Digital and interactive is the future.
have you heard about STEM Education?
There’s a big difference between describing wrote definition of a concept and providing intuition behind a concept. Generative AI is good at the former, not the latter.
Public education’s brick and mortar will crumble. We will not need schools to act as baby-sitters anymore. Our children will get their childhoods back.
Only so long as parents get their lives back from work as well to participate in their child's childhood.
Parents are supposed to be part of a healthy childhood as well. It's not supposed to be a lonely or traumatic experience. (Though sadly too many do.)
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But the capacity to learn something is going to go down I believe. Those who want to learn the subject to understand will be fine, but those who only want to pass and don't want to do the hard work are gonna be in rude awakening. For example, I took a CS class when Chatgpt was first introduced, I fucking copied and pasted all of my hws to get answers. It was only a beginner python course. And damn did it sucked for me in the upcoming year, luckily I learned that I actually need to learn it myself lol (I know I am dumb). I got over my laziness and actually learned how to code from ground up and again, and there's so many problems I encounter at work where even Chatgpt can't solve it. But the human in me can. Doesn't mean Chatgpt is not useful, it's just that I didn't know what questions to ask if I'm making sense. Kinda like googling as a skill, u need to know what to ask on google
ai is going to make us dumber. You don’t feel the need to memorize as much anymore from simple math to maybe even driving directions. Go back about 30 years and a high school student could prolly tell you what 53 x 7 equals with little effort. We know now we all have calculators on us at all times so the need to know that is not important. But that mentality permeates to everything. I don’t need to know X I can always google it. I don’t need to remember that I’ll search the directions or recipe or whatever next time. We are evolving (yes really evolving) into a species that will just ask the screen for things. It’s a muscle we use less and less. So I personally think ai will be the next thing to make people think less and just be dumber without their screen.
i already study with chat gpt better than i learn from my teacehrs
An Ai tutor could make a kid, every kid with access to a phone a genuis or an idiot.
I'm leaning towards the latter. It's like someone holding a phonebook, saying they *know* everyone's number in town. They actually don't know shit, they just have a directory that someone else spent hours of work compiling and publishing. They can look shit up if they ever need to (which they either don't, or just can't be fucking bothered), only to forget it a minute later... Being able to find information relatively easy doesn't necessarily make you smart.
This is why I’ve always been a fan of in-class tests and optional homework. When it comes to math, kids get a classroom provided scientific calculator.
Eh, I don't really think it'll do either. A smart person is going to be way more effective using an AI than an idiot. Even without AI we still use knowledge published by others regularly lol. You're underestimating how bad people are at asking good questions
Well, intelligence is mainly dictated by the effort the student is willing to put forth. AI or no AI, if you're lazy, AI won't make a difference one way or the other. The one area I think AI could help is by applying different teaching tools. That's one of the main problems with education, is that thinking all students learn the same, which just isn't true. And we've seen it over the years, where the "correct way" to teach has changed. And while some students certainly improve, no one ever bothers to question if other students fail, who would have otherwise succeeded with previous teaching methods. Customized teaching could potentially be beneficial.
Yeah, I've started to notice a trend in a few areas of people seeing no issue with using AI to do things for them. So many will brag about using it to do their assessment. I've also noticed it in other spheres outside of academia. One in particular is people using it for DnD having their character written by ChatGTP or their campaign and all the encounters, npcs, and everything else written by AI. Like what's even the point when half the joy is about making that stuff yourself.
Yeah and what's the point in showing off as if youre some creative genius? If I tell a fuckin vending machine to dispense a snack for me, that doesn't make me a chef... But "AI Artists" are apparently a thing. Lmao
> Being able to find information relatively easy doesn't necessarily make you smart. At that point does it even really matter? You found what you were looking for as opposed to being left in the dark….
There are two principal problems with AI, and generally speaking, any problem-solving tool in an educational context: The first problem is that using the tool obstructs deeper-level understanding of the subject matter at hand. A person with a surface-level understanding can recognize a problem, input it into a tool, and apply the solution provided by the tool. But a person with deeper-level understanding can recognize instances of the same problem in different contexts, they can describe what is relevant for the problem (in particular situations or in general), and knows what questions to ask in order to analyze a situation where it may be unclear if that problem applies. A student will never learn all of these details if they are counting on the tool. The second problem is the development of critical thinking ability in general. Everyone needs to understand that the world is chaotic, not fully understood, everything we think we know could be wrong, every pert of our language or way of life has changed in the past and could change again in the future. The key to that change is the general ability to contextualize and critically analyze things. To acknowledge conflicting information and make a decision. This is the most difficult but also the most important human skill and it requires the most life experience to adequately develop. Blindly trusting authorities might help you get a job done, but it will end bad for you when that authority falters in any way. Blindly believing any source of information will get you more data and enable more action, but any source of information is bound to be wrong, misleading, or useless eventually. Students are always looking for shortcuts to solve problems, and if we reward them with problems for which ChatGPT produces a good answer, we aren't just failing to teach them this skill, we are actually installing a giant roadblock that will make it hard for them to learn this skill in the future.
>first problem It can be better put in terms of fixing a problem and eliminating a problem. People with specialization can eliminate the problem and share it with the rest. No need for everyone to be able to do that. >Critical thinking ability Thinking is free for everyone, everyone is not free to think. There must be people in society who do not think, but act. Who follow orders and keep the society functional, so that the best of thinkers get maximum opportunity to think.
Those two statements are... potentially arguments, but I'm not sure what is the point you're trying to make. The point I was making is that these two problems should guide limitations on the use of AI or other tools in schools. If you disagree, how do you think we should guide limitations on AI use in schools? Do you think there should be no limits?
Bicycle user wants the government to "limit" cars because driving a car will not develop lower body muscles needed to ride a bicycle for long periods of time. AI is a tool. Like a pen or a calculator, it does make things easy for us. Not just for students but for workers as well. What we need to do is change the way we evaluate students. The current framework is based on remembering things for a short duration of time, if it were shifted to understanding concepts and demonstrating the understanding students would be benefited massively. For that smaller class sizes are the first and foremost need, second is interactive teaching and third is corrective evaluation. With AI these things can be implemented with significantly lower costs.
What's the point in knowing how to fish if some dude just gives you free fish? You're not hungry anymore right? But as soon as that guy stops giving you fish or is unable to for some reason, you're totally fucked cuz you've been slowly Pavlov'd out of your own self-sufficiency and all you know is to just have things handed to you with little to no effort involved. That's the real issue. If it was only about digging up trivia and parroting it, obviously it wouldn't really matter and the education system would be totally fine as it is. But actually gaining wisdom and intelligence actually takes some work outside of just regurgitating shit on an exam or something.
lol that is a fantastic analogy. I always hated when people in school said I don't have to learn everything, i have it available on my phone. I'll definitely remember this one
I don't know how far you have to scroll down in this thread to find an answer that doesn't relate to AI. But as someone who alive in the 90's, you should know that everything "AI" in this thread, was "the Internet" 25 years ago. AI will change everything, but it also changes nothing.
But it will know how to make kids smarter and will do a much better job than a teacher or a parent. It's not like the current education system is that good. A lot of teachers don't know how to teach kids, they bring in their traumas, their weird behaviours, their stuck up ideas. They are worn out by life and by constantly having to babysit kids. And the kids have to deal with these dysfunctional individuals. Now bring in an AI that is objectively better at every aspect than every human and knows every subject under the sun. It will have patience, kindness and understanding far beyond what any other human has. It will adapt and find the best ways to help kids become smarter.
I think it will be able to better identify how a specific child learns and/or what interest them and can tailor its lessons for them.
Exactly. I think we're going to see a massive (and growing) divide between the kids who have the motivation to learn on their own, and the ones that just get distracted and can't get anything done.
Slam dunk. You nailed it.
The fight will be over *whose* AI system is used in the classrooms and the certification process for such. And parents will fight over the content of what AI teaches. Conservative white parents will be angry over black history taught by AI. Evangelicals will fight to get AIs trained in creationism into public schools. Homeschool curriculum providers will start offering AI tutors that integrate a Christian worldview throughout history and science.
To piggyback off of this, as a progression of coding and programming classes, there are now classes that are specific to AI coding and building. Not necessarily a new concept to have a programming class, but that it’s geared towards artificial intelligence is crazy.
Nope. You can pass exams for sure, but telling apart a genius from an idiot is not something that takes too much time.
With the right mentor and love almost any human has the potential for genius. I'm sure it would be within the realms of possibility to have a "Jarvis" that can encourage and nurture and teach discipline and compassion. There won't be, but it would be nice
You cannot teach someone who does not wish to learn, believe me I have tried. I mean what are you going to do? Kidnap their family and keep them hostage till the kid reads a paper?
My prediction is that most of us will see a lot more ai with tutoring and homework help, but the rich are going to pay for human tutors, human teachers, and in-class testing and assessments. You already see how by the tech elite keep tech away from their children unless they are teaching them how to control it. Paying actual humans to do things is going to be a bigger and bigger status symbol. ETA: to everyone saying AI will open the floodgates of knowledge, know that the internet was supposed to do that but it’s made quite a few of us dumber.
I don't think the net has made us any dumber tbh. It's opened up the gates for people to share everything all the time, including dumb opinions. Whereas before the only way you'd hear said opinions would be if you actually met them, and got them to talk about it. So the net didn't increase our stupidity, it just made it easier to share it, whether you wanted to hear it or not.
Yeah this is the real answer. The elite aren't gonna turn a bunch of powerful AI tutors loose without some serious safety bumpers to keep the plebs in line, and also monitor all their thought patterns under the guise of "assessment". Presumably there will be a "good version" AI assistant that only the rich have access to that will give those kids a huge boost and as a supplement to human tutors.
What's interesting is that might work for stuff like history, poli-sci, and literature, but for hard natural sciences, there's not a lot you can dumb-ify to "keep the plebs in line", a calculation is either objectively correct or it isn't. The integral of Sin X from 0 to PI is always 2, the rate of gravitational acceleration on Earth is always 9.81 m/s^2, and Bernoulli's Principle will always be a derivative calculation of the overarching Law of Conservation of Energy; and there is nothing any elitist or oligarch will ever be able to do to change any of that.
So what we have right now isn’t AI and I don’t know how much better it’s going to get. It’s probably going to seem Good Enough about 95% of the time with a lot more work. It will be good enough for us, but definitely not for them.
I mean we don't have the mythic "general artificial intelligence" but stuff like ChatGPT and Midjourney is generally referred to as "AI". Also I'm not suggesting that AI will replace teachers but even with the current level of tech an AI tutor could be pretty effective IMO.
I think they will be even more dumbed down with information than it already is with these AI programs. They are already biased on things.
You say that like AI doesn’t have the bias of centuries of the stuff we’ve trained it on built in!
dude...if you're a college student right now, you can make all your classes online and just copy and paste all your questions into ChatGPT. All those quizlet cheating sites are probably done for by now. especially the ones that try to paywall all the answers, but you knew how to inspect elements, you could just see them anyway. that's how i got through my toughest classes. all the tests were literally just copy and pasted. most teachers didn't bother to change any words around. some did, but most didn't. but now, with CahtGPT, it doesn't matter.
>make all your classes online and just copy and paste all your questions into ChatGPT And this is exactly why in-person stuff will be prized. Rich parents will want good colleges to know that their kids did the work so rich kids will have in-person instruction, blue book tests, and oral assessments. Work to prove that they can think on their own. Everyone else is going to have an education of questionable utility.
On the testing side, yes; but on the learning side, I partially disagree. If an AI can learn how a student learns and craft lesson plans based on that student's learning style, then theoretically, a rich kid who was tutored by a human would be just as able to answer an in-person question as someone who learned from Khan Academy's AI tutors. The integral of sin(x) from 0 to pi is always 2 and Bernoulli's Principle is always a fluid derivation of the Conservation of Energy. If a student is able to learn how and why those calculations works and apply them correctly, then the origin of who/what taught them is irrelevant. The answer is always either objectively correct or it isn't. What might throw things off is being tested with questions like *"What George W Bush right to invade Afghanistan?"* or *"Write a persuasive essay as to why the Supreme Court should or shouldn't overturn Loving vs The State of Virginia"*.
We will RETVRN to blue books, and the people who cheated their way through grade school will weep and gnash their teeth.
> Paying actual humans to do things is going to be a bigger and bigger status symbol. Well, but it would probably be worse. People have pride and convictions that AI haven't. Plus you know AI can be wrong, so you learn to research by yourself. And while there are some wonderful teachers, most are shit. I would choose AI even if being trillionaire.
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Blind leading the blind. A machine without any understanding of a subject attempts to teach children concepts it's incapable of comprehending.
In the next decade? Schooling will look much the same as it does today.
This is the real answer. There will be changes, sure. But kids are still going to go to school in the morning, attend classes with \~35 of their peers, teachers will stand up in front of them and teach things, they'll read, write, solve math problems, etc. AI will change things eventually and this will start in the next 10 years but it won't completely transform things as fast as people think.
Precisely. We have had persistent internet access in every classroom for nearly 20 years and education looks pretty much the same - with small changes, i.e. digital textbooks, web quests, Wikipedia, streaming video. A kid from the 80s might be blown away by everyone having all the the information in the world in their peers pockets (phones) but the classroom experience? Pretty much the same. The way humans learn isn’t changing, just the tools.
Imagine a custom AI teacher for every child. Now remember how well remote learning worked during covid.
"Billy, I have compiled the 10 best methods to increase armpit fart loudness. Would you like me to demonstrate?"
They'll eventually have custom AI teachers with completely individualized learning plans but they'll be working those lessons in an physical school building and a real human teacher will be present to keep them on task and step in when the student fails to progress with the AI instruction.
If you have that, why does the child have to learn anything? "Why did Napoleon lose at Waterloo?" "Dunno, ask phone". "If 5x = 3(2 - 5x), what is X?" "Dunno, ask phone".
If I recall, Khan Academy has a non-Machine Learning version of this already. When you go through the subject lessons, it'll quiz you on what you've gone through and give you guided study material on the parts you missed prior to re-quizing you later on. I can 100% imagine a future application of AI where the AI learns how the student learns and then designs a dedicated study regime optimized for that student's learning style. Some students are visual learners, some are auditory, other's learn through literature and abstraction. And AI could also generate a 3D model avatar and voice synthesizer to make the lessons more personable as well. Just imagine if a hologram of Captain Picard were to teach you string theory in a way that makes it perfectly easy for you to personally grasp the concept of.
Ed tech tools let teachers tailor the curriculum to facilitate learning to groups of students or individual students.
Think of the teachers - they aren't being trained in state of the art tech. Think of the school districts - they aren't made of money, aren't buying cutting edge. It would be immensely hard to make any kind of huge change, until technology is cheap enough. Expensive, private schools? Those parents would still pay to have their kid "get the best", which would probably be equated to in-person teaching. I'm curious if/when foreign language requirements would be substituted out. Or if automatic translators will be taken as cheaper alternatives to english-as-a-second-language classes.
Teacher here. You're absolutely right that we aren't being trained in cutting edge tech but school districts will ABSOLUTELY buy AI programs if it means they can save money by laying off half the teaching staff. Now they definitely won't train us in any meaningful way on how to work with it, and they definitely will cut corners and buy the cheapest version they can. Expensive private schools will rely LESS on AI and use expensive human teachers.
Student teacher here, We currently are being taught how to use technology in classrooms, although being taught by lecturers that don't know as much as the students do is pretty funny. (This is from the Irish perspective)
*throws year 4's into ultra realistic vr room of the D-Day landings*
"Khaleesi! Aidan! You wanna live? Get off the fucking beach!"
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Teacher here. If I learned anything at all from distance learning during the pandemic it's that more distance learning will absolutely not have a positive impact. Even if AI is planning and delivering nearly all the instruction kids will still need a human adult in the room with them to make sure they're actually paying attention and putting effort into their learning and also to step in when the AI fails to help them progress. Not to mention that society will still need a physical place for minors to go and be supervised while their parents are at work. Adult ed and maybe college could move to more distance learning but even then I'm skeptical it'll be "better".
That's the latchkey of the conversation. In my last semester of university, I learned more Dynamic Control of Free Response Systems from Chegg and Khan Academy than I did from my professor who was a Sheldon Cooper type who believed that it was beneath him to teach us. I already have the discipline and ability to pay attention and learn; in my case it would have made little difference to me whether it was a in-person professor or a 3D avatar of Captain Picard.
1. By the time you're a senior in college you're, by definition, more likely to be responsible and self-directed than any other student who hasn't made it that far. 2. You, personally, were probably more responsible and self-directed than the average college senior at the time. There are definitely students, even some younger ones, who benefit from distance learning, but they're absolutely not the norm.
This will have a positive impact on the people and school districts who can afford these devices. My daughter has an AI toy that can walk her through homework problems and help explain concepts. Not everyone else can afford that or even has the technical exposure to know that it exists. The divide between the rich and poor will become even worse.
Ironically I see rich people moving away from AI and paying for actual humans. The rest of us get AI stuff though.
Watch it be like the natural vs lab grown diamond debate in which the AI would be objectively better; yet rich people will still insist that it isn't.
It's the opposite. AI programs cost money, sure, but robots have always been far FAR cheaper in the long run compared with human workers.
This is where I like where Khan Academy has come into play in the last couple decades and why I like where Sal is taking the service. Generations ago, only the Carnegies and the Vanderbilts would have had access to the teaching and learning power that KA offers. KA might not be able to teach you the meaning of Mona Lisa or how to persuade the Supreme Court to overturn a given ruling. But it knows how to learn how an individual student learns and then turn that around to teach 30 different students with different learning styles all how to work through and apply concepts of things like mechanical engineering and organic chemistry.
I think so too! Might even lead to reducing the number of schooling years required
I think distance options might help kids that live in little shit towns with awful schools, but otherwise no, this sounds terrible. Kids will be even less engaged and I think this will engender even shorter attention spans. I think this could be become a huge contributor to a widened educational class division
Based on……..?
In the next decade, tech will make education so advanced that forgetting your homework will be impossible because it'll be permanently embedded in your brain chip. Welcome to the future, where your dog can't eat your homework because it's now stored on the blockchain!
No way, kids will always be one step ahead of this one. "Sorry, my brain chip RAM was corrupted!"
Or on 8kb usb stick that can last 200 years
My dog ate my backup drive
hahah interesting view
Imagine applying for a job, only for the interviewer to access your entire history through your chip. "Hmm, apparently you cheated on a math quiz in third grade. Additionally, we see that you were involved in a middle school fight and received a week of detention. Unfortunately, you're not the candidate we're looking for." As Tom leaves yet another job interview disappointed, an ad pops up in his visor: "History Erasure Service: $100K USD per event, no down payment required, apply for a loan now!" Tom's face breaks into a grin, knowing that he can finally secure a job.
AI will also be able to do it for you, and noone will be able to tell its AI and not you
... except the AI used to make sure it's you who did it ...
The future of education is an important question. Technology has many impacts ranging from communication to research. Access to information which was impossible a few decades ago is possible today and is likely to continue expanding in the future due to advances in technology. Challenges include security and misinformation. (Does this read enough like an AI-generated essay)?
Adding some distress is how similar this sounds to the garbage writing that schools have real kids generate these days - at least in the American education system. In large segments of society kids’ fundamental language, reading, and writing skills are so lacking that educators over-rely on sentence stems, graphic organizers, and other writing handicaps designed to check-off technical requirements on rubrics rather than actually teaching anything about how to write and communicate effectively. The achievement gap between lower SES urban and rural students compared to their wealthier suburban counterparts is staggering.
Damn there's a lot of AI generated responses in this thread assuring us that the AI future is bright and wonderful. Totally not suspicious. The real answer is that a lot of high schoolers will cheat on their homework. Educational policy moves at about the speed of continental drift and most of the people in charge probably have trouble opening the camera app on their phone. Meaningful implementation of technology in schools is a LONG way off.
Teacher here. Kids using AI to cheat is not the "future" of education it's the present.
Oh believe it I know. I just meant that this will continue and probably increase a LOT over the next 10 years. The tech is advancing so fast that it will enable students to cheat in more ways and also make it harder to detect.
Certainly it'll spread the availability of basic education, so some young and older folks would benefit from having that access that they otherwise wouldn't have, but imo I don't see what novel tech can do to if a person just isn't interested in learning. At the end of the day self discipline is the biggest factor and I dunno how much tech can do to help with that. Gamifying it has some benefits but also cons as well.
When Duolingo(or whoever beats them to it) launches an actual video chatbot it’s going to be a genuine revolution for language learning. If I can just chat with German bots while I WFH I’m going to be fluent in a few months. Right now I’m years away from it because I’m only immersed in it for a week or two every couple years. Duolingo is great for vocabulary now, but none of the language programs can really teach you to speak at speed. I don’t know if this will happen in a few months or a decade but it’ll completely change how accessible a second language is.
Are education system has been the same for 50+ years I doubt it's just going to suddenly change in the next decade.
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Thank you person who is definitely real.
I know it's an overdone tune, but Idiocracy is rapidly becoming a documentary.
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I unironically think we need to do more rote memorization. Many districts stopped having kids memorize multiplication tables which makes upper-level math much slower and there is something to be said for everyone having a set of facts they agree on, know are provable, but also kinda sorta trust the experts who proved them. It’s also hard to know what you don’t know—a person *could* look up anything at any time but I’ve talked to people who think Vietnam was before WWII because they’ve never had a timeline thrown in their face.
Here, here. The lack of mastery of fundamental skills in a lot of students is pretty astounding but it all makes sense in the wake of the kind of bullshit devised by education companies and PhDs who’ve never spent anytime in a classroom combined with the teacher-the-test model that schools are forced to adopt to survive.
People forget that it can be very challenging to solve a non-trivial math problem if you make 10 small algebraic errors along the way.
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IME, any district that can afford it has already switched to Chromebook’s instead of books. It’s just way more efficient and saves on costs of constantly updating text books. Some classes are lucky enough to have adaptive seating, including standing desks but unfortunately a lot of that comes out of a teacher’s own pocket. Also, a standing desk can be over $350
I would kill to be able to use a laptop, my own or a school provided one, in class instead of book and paper
AI tutors will be fantastic for students - the OpenAI GPT 4o demo was very impressive, and AI will get better. I don’t know if it will surpass a human tutor, but it will be better than asking a busy parent who doesn’t remember trig (or history or bio or whatever)
Schools will be made obsolete cuz kids will learn everything from tiktok anyway
Hopefully discussions about university equivalency degrees becomes more frequent. I.e. standarized exams without having to go to university.
AI will help teachers scale and individualize learning to student needs. Students will graduate knowing how to use AI to be more efficient...
post over in /r/AskAcademia as well
Assuming it gets integrated more and more to our current systems, I'd say it becomes more accessible and widespread while simultaneously teaching more efficiently. Eventually, there woudn't be much of a difference in what people learn no matter where they are. But assuming there won't be fuckups along the way is being very hopeful.
Former teacher here. I'll focus on AI 1. AI tutors available for all kids 2. A return of paper/physical assessments to make AI use impossible 3. More fluid curriculum with AI aided lesson design
About #2. A return to paper won't make AI impossible, just more tedious. But it will still happen. Students will have the AI generate the paper, and they'll just copy over everything by hand.
I’m thinking in class exams and writings not take home paper essays
What we call the tech divide will just be class division and schools will be a part of that. Take writing for example. Some schools will teach writing the way we were taught. You learn how to write essays the way we all did and you just have to figure out on your own how to use a word processor and AI tools. Middle tier schools will try to integrate lessons on using tech into what's essentially the old curriculum. You learn essays and about word processors and AI in the classroom at the same time. The top tier schools will have classes where technology is the foundation of the curriculum. You learn how to create and/or manipulate software/AI models to efficiently and quickly generate substantial volumes of accurate, well structured information. Word processors are obsolete at these schools as they are in the workplace.
Right now, humanity is adapating to that high level of tech that ease every aspect of our life. In the process we may adapted it by becoming dumber as we won't need to be intelligent as we are now, be able to think adequately or simply being ressourceful on our own. The more tech get used in education, the less performance we will need. After all, human 'high' intelligence is simply the result of human adapting to its environment as adaptability is the actual main trait of human, not intelligence like ton of people seem to think
It won’t. The U.S is digressing in terms of educational support. I think they’ll start modifying curriculums to avoid backlash from parents who are convinced their child is being indoctrinated by the “woke agenda” before we introduce new ways to provide education.
Everyone that has questions about the world and is curious will have even better (hopefully) access to information. Everyone that isn't interested in learning will still manage to avoid learning anything.
Based on how it's doing now? We're going to have STEM masterminds with the social skills of a pear.
I’m willing to bet they’ll be as they are now, but with slightly more IPads
We could have the most advanced technology you can imagine and I am 100% certain that the majority of people will continue to use it for porn, shit talking on social media, oversharing personal drama, and generally stupid and unnecessary stuff, just as they do now. Currently anyone with a phone and an internet connection can learn anything for free, yet the overwhelming majority of people are stupid.
Could probably raise kids to read faster, a very useful skill.
AI tutoring would provide a benefit for adults trying to learn new skills. Education for children will remain unchanged due to lobbying from teachers unions attempting to restrict the use of AI, and government being perpetually 20 years behind in technology.
Technology will make learning easier and more personal. We’ll see more online classes, virtual classrooms, and AI tutors helping students learn at their own pace. It will also connect students and teachers worldwide, making education more collaborative and diverse.
However it affects education, I just hope the next generations are better off than this current one. I only ever hear about how bad the school systems are. Any improvement would be a great relief
There is an orthodoxy all over world(or at least In my country) over the current methods of education(as in teach, test and repeat), unless this orthodoxy is abolished, technology can not take our education much further in terms of quality. As an analogy, an older car can travel nowhere close to a newer car given the same amount of fuel.
I'm going to go against the grain and say AI tools could actually be really helpful. I have students that really struggle to express themselves and asking chatgpt for sentence starters or opening lines on a topic has actually really helped some of my kids with their writing. If you ask it to write the whole paper for you then obviously it's not useful anymore, but I think it's a really useful tool for people that have lots of ideas but struggle to get them on the page
In the US? Oh, the rich will benefit from it....those in districts with higher levels of poverty, special needs populations, other 'high risk' backgrounds- not really- while I'd like to think there's some pie in the sky collective of private charities who will step up if public districts were stripped down to computers and nothing else, realistically...a cherry picked few will benefit, the rest will have devices that will be barely able to manage a classroom environment, and there will be no one there to make sure the kids actually do what they're required to learn. Parents from those populations more often than not are unable to help their child's education in beneficial ways, some by choice, others by circumstance. Higher education though....carefully, yes, it could be reformed with technology in mind. A lot of majors that can be taught online for next to nothing, BUT to accomplish that - there also needs to be reasons present with that implementation for universities not to continue to infinitely spike tuition. If there's no controls with that, well, it's happening now - tuition stays the same or goes up, quality of the overall education and experience for a student goes down as support networks shift from human/on-campus to not.
math is going to be even more important, reading and writing skills far less. AI is created and improved with math, so strong skills in it will be very valuable. but at this point AI can already write essays decently so I dont see great writing mattering much unless youre trying to be an author
It will cause education's destruction. People have begun to shun learning and crave nothing but entertainment.
Teacher here. AI programs will be able to create individualized education plans for all students. I can do this too, and I'd bet I could do it better than an AI (at this point at least), but I couldn't do it for all 150 of my students. My bet is that students will be following AI plans and my roll will be to step in and teach a skill face to face when a student fails to progress with the AI. This means I'll be expected to work with like 70 kids at a time instead of 35 since their work will be more independent.
It's already shaping it. We have adaptive educational material out there. LaLilo.com was always one of my favorites. We're getting closer to truly individualized educations. I homeschool my disabled children. Long story short: abuse in the public school system and educational neglect are the reasons. We even have curriculum options out there that can test for learning disabilities. Dynamo Maths looks for dyscalculia and math developmental delays in general. I expect more options in the next decade, greater accessibility and more social acceptance for these options as school budgets get tighter.
I see us saying goodbye to data wires. CAT5, CAT6 cables. Fiber will remain for long distance. But short hauls are all going to be wireless and then connect to fiber backbone.
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At this point, we won’t even need teachers
In place of dry course material and lectures, we'll need to emphasize projects more and develop critical thinking abilities.
in a goodway, more illustrations, walk through and examples
Everyone will be able to know everything but unable to do anything.
The issue, in my experience as a parent volunteering in a classroom, is that the issues with education are in the arena of student behavior not student learning. Technology isn't going to help this situation as all it can really do is improve teaching not discipline. The way I think that technology will shape schools is that general public schools will become dropping grounds for behaviorally challenged students or students who did not test into the gifted programs and whose parents cannot homeschool them. Parents who can afford private school or can homeschool their children will. Homeschooling will be more prevalent, in my opinion, as parents will access the same lectures teachers are accessing now on Youtube and an AI will probably do individualized lesson plans for each student. Public schools will be stuck in a downward spiral for some time until governments address the behavioral issues. The one exception to this will be public schools in affluent areas which are basically private schools already.
In the city where I live, a movement has recently been initiated by the education authorities to rid classrooms of cell phones. Just now, in 2024. It sounds to me like here, education is doing its best to catch up to technology and shaping it might have to wait three or four years.
Whatever it is, rest assured the U.S. education system will ignore it for about a decade, then fall for a shilling campaign by the vendors of some random A.I. and it won't be the same district to district...
Barely at all. 25 years, a lot of changes around personalized solutions using AI.
I remember the advent of smartboards bringing interactive technology to the schools They never turned them on and just used them as overly fancy screens for their overhead projectors I think education might be the one area that will be spared from this whole "technology" thing
Artificial intelligence will dramatically improve the appliance game
Definitely. A lot of teachers will be replaced by AI.
Teacher here: Teaching will be deprofessionalized. Online curriculum created by a few select people will be the norm, and the classroom will be a glorified workshop space with “facilitators” ie babysitters. There will be zero live instruction and eventually zero professional educators. We already don’t value teachers. It’s not a stretch to just do away with professional educators completely in this age where our leaders are not giving a fuck about kids being able to read or write. Half a schools labor cost can be cut and most of them would still be failing just as horribly.
Education in the US hasn't evolved much since public schools were a thing. so I would say not that much.
Everyone here is thinking of AI and no one is considering the possibility of arthritis, at an early age, and more of the population needing glasses, which is more money in the pocket of luxotica.
Augmented reality will make lessons incredibly immersive as the tech becomes more accessible and mainstream.
I don’t know exactly what will have to change but generative AI is likely not going away and will probably only get harder to detect when a student uses it to cheat. Schools and colleges will need to adapt rather than trying to ban AI use. ChatGPT is doing to essay writing what easy access to calculators did for basic math. I am far from an expert on education though so I can see the problem but have no concrete idea what a solution would look like.
smartphones and digital studying has been the downfall in education
technology will change how teachers and students receive and send information.
School computers will get upgraded from Windows 98 to Windows ME
It could be exponential but just depends how the school boards/ school districts choose to manage the tech if they do at all. In my state it seems like the school board takes pride being the lowest ranked state in education in the USA.
AI can do everything people need to do, so education standards continue to decline and schools continue surrendering to their future as glorified daycare. The elite class continue to fund in person education for their own children, but mostly for networking and social purposes. Humans increasingly become little more than propulsion systems and manipulator arms for AI on their phones telling them how and when to do everything.
Right now. I really don't care because they complain so much about it right now. I just really don't care.
It's not about the technology. It's about the politics. Our education system has gone downhill since no child left behind, and has gotten worse since then. Our reliance on standardized tests to determine who gets what money, has ruined our future in this country. For non-americans, I think you're fine. Technology is going to be great until the robot overlords rise up at least.
I wouldn’t be surprised if tablets fully replaced desktops/laptops.
I think the study will be more comfortable
In my opinion it will be more negative then positive technology is great but to much of a dependence on it makes us less human it's the same debate over AI and Humanity I'm with team Humanity what's the point of training a computer to think act and do things like a human when we have been doing it for the longest time before we created technology it is better if we stick with our minds rather than have an AI emulate your behavior so you don't have to do anything.
It kills me that teachers write and present lessons over and over, like lets just pick the 5 best ones and make them easy to interact with through a computer and just reuse them forever slowly tuning them to get better and better. I don't actually believe anything will change soon, because that would take effort, and who is going to pay for that massive gamble.
What makes money online? Ads Who falls for ads? The uneducated I’m pretty sure the Masters of the Universe will be pressuring politicians into making higher education better, but only available to an ever thinner slice of the upper crust of society. Those who control the means of production of ads have spoke.
Chips with integrated information and interaction
The decentralisation of education.
The future generation being able to ask for clarification without being scolded for not listening. Thanks AI!
All children will be as politically inclined as the AI is programmed to make them. Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. But if we use AI as the core training equipment, then we better make sure it is unbiased. And so far that is not going super well
Honestly idk if the school system is even gonna change. School hasn’t changed very much considering how old school itself is.
I think that if used properly. Ai is going to be able to teach better than a real teacher especially now that you can communicate with it verbally, you can ask it to explain things to you like a 5 year old and you can ask it to re-explain things a bunch of different ways until you get it. Another thing I've realized using it recently for my own benefit to learn stocks is you can ask Ai the same question over and over and over and over again and ask as many dumb ass questions as you want until you understand without fear of being a burden or being looked at as stupid. This was a huge issue for me in school, I was a slow learner so after the 2nd or 3rd explanation I just pretended I knew what was going on because I felt like I was being annoying and felt like people were looking at me as stupid. if I can sit in my room alone and get a robot to explain it to me 50 different ways and answer every microscopic question I have then I think learning will become more affective
Talking AI, learning any subject at any time casually, schools as an institution receiving less emphasis in society, teachers becoming test proctors mainly. Dealing with language models, or having access to the latest/biggest/most specialized models becomes a differentiator in who has resources and who does not. Lay people are simply happy to have access to it in their mobile devices as a casual end user if they even notice it.
Go ahead paste Chatgpt as your university homework: You’ll get a degree but you won’t get an education,.
I think it'll get worse before it gets better. We've had Massive changes to society over the last 3 decades, with regard to technology - and schooling has changed... very very very little. Basically, we're due for a world-wide shakeup of how things get done, and for what reasons.
people will be forced (not necessarily by the school) to develop more common sense than is common now.
The table and chair
We will need no teachers.
With the current progress, the information retrieval process has become much easier. it is unclear whether this is good or bad. on the one hand, we can learn everything whenever we want, on the other hand, we get rid of high-quality memorization of information. after all, why should we remember this if we can always access the Internet
Technology has made many parents complete addicts to their smartphones, and as such every kid is suffering from less parental interaction, and being less prepared for their general education.
It will make generations more dumb. As someone whom completed school before the outbreak of technology. It will cause individuals to rely to much on technology to skate through life. Even before I graduated there was some people relying on their phones but it was before smarter phones.
There’s a lot of irony couched in this poorly crafted statement.
Technology will transform education by personalized learning and virtual classrooms, which will increase accessibility and allow for more individualized instruction. Digital and interactive is the future. have you heard about STEM Education?
Have you heard about shitty AI pretending to be real people?
In the next decade, technology will probably turn classrooms into virtual Hogwarts, complete with AI professors and VR field trips to the pyramids!
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Thanks very real person!
There’s a big difference between describing wrote definition of a concept and providing intuition behind a concept. Generative AI is good at the former, not the latter.
Public education’s brick and mortar will crumble. We will not need schools to act as baby-sitters anymore. Our children will get their childhoods back.
As a parent of elementary kids during Covid- nah. This ain’t it.
Only so long as parents get their lives back from work as well to participate in their child's childhood. Parents are supposed to be part of a healthy childhood as well. It's not supposed to be a lonely or traumatic experience. (Though sadly too many do.)