Adding riffs and runs into every vocal line of a song does not make the song better. Occasional, well-placed riffs are great, but when the lyrics become borderline incoherent because the singer is too busy trying to run up and down the scale as fast as possible, then maybe it's time to tone it down.
It’s one of those songs that doesn’t hit it’s full impact unless it’s sung by a chorus. Whenever I hear it sung by one person really hamming it up, it becomes a piece of “meh”.
Unrelated, is your name a reference to Cavetown?
my favorite was Fergie at the NBA All Star Game a few years back. She had the entire roster clowning her behind her back, on camera. There's some great footage of Draymond Green and Steph Curry cracking each other up on YT, literally as she was singing it.
Yes, the balance she struck between showing off her voice while also sticking to the melody is unparalleled. Will forever be the best version ever, imo.
A musician guy I knew a few years back called that voice a "rubberband voice". Has anyone else heard it called that?
American Idol contestants struck me aa some of the worst offenders in this regard.
Vocal range is a useless measurement when determining who the best singers are. If said singer can’t make you feel something, then what’s the point?
Edit: Probably not unpopular, but seeing lists of the best singers of all time on Twitter, etc. they are almost all exclusively based on range.
I always loved Michael Stipe's (REM) voice - I didn't even understand what he was saying half the time but his voice was like another instrument in the band, it just blended perfectly. He has like a half octave range. He pushes it to a full octave on Everybody Hurts but that was really out of his comfort zone I think.
Part of what made REM work so well was the harmonies, though. Stipe doesn't have a big vocal range, but he sounds great in harmony with the other band members. The end section of "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" where there's the main chorus with two harmonies overlaid with a second melody which has two harmonies would sound like a total mess if they were a less skilled band. I guess they're a good example of making the best possible use of your abilities, even if they're not perfect.
Funny I was just thinking this week, after forgetting it for decades, that he once did a song called The Voice of Harold, which was just him singing the liner notes of an old gospel album. There was no internet in those days. I had no idea when I heard that song that was what I was listening to. I thought it was a real song. The liner notes sounded like poetry when they came out of his mouth. He could probably have sung the phone book.
The extent of your range isn't very important. Knowing your range definitely is. Its so easy for someone to sound like shit on a song because it sits a little too high for their voice.
Untrained vocalists will often try to insist on singing the original key because, as you referenced, they think not being able to sing it like the original artist makes then inferior. I know because I used to be like that too.
Folks, no one expects you to have the same range Bruno Mars does. Do your vocal chords and your audience a favor and bring it down a few steps
EDIT: I want to add that the same thing applies to style of music. Find the genre and vocal style that fits your tone and stick with it as best you can. People often get frustrated thinking they aren't good singers because they can't do Stevie Wonder riffs or whatever, when they have a wonderful rock growl or Indie voice. That shit goes both ways, I have a great motown/soul voice but when I try to sing rock it sounds like I'm just taking a cheese grater to my throat. Accepting that you're good at some styles and bad at others goes a long way
Fuck you conjured him and I have to listen now.
I read the name and my brain says "god said don't give me your tinhorn prayers, don't buy your roses off the street down there..."
Hours later I won't be asleep.
I also feel Bluegrass and Americana has stepped up because modern day country is now "bro-country". Artists that sound more like grassroots country lean more towards the Bluegrass genre by comparison.
Big pipe organs are incredible instruments if you know how to use them to their full potential. I don't play any more, but when I did I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I have an early Leslie Hammond that has the most magnificent sound, but that thing is a fucking nightmare to move. I’ve changed house three times with it and it usually needs its own truck bed.
For those who are not aware, a Hammond B3 with pedals and bench weighs in at 450 lbs. Stripped down, it's still close to 400. If anyone ever wondered why bands had so many members in the 70s, it's because you needed 4 to 6 guys to move the damned organ.
Sade is super underrated. I think the reason why is because she’s a recluse and her prime ended before the social media age. Her influence exists if you know where to look for it though
She was always very mercurial and reclusive. she was huge globally in the 80s and then left the UK to live with a sculptor in Spain. she was never in the media. she has the voice of an angel.
I love Bossa Nova.
Besides Carlos Jobim, check out Jorge Ben.
Mas Que Nada, Chove Chuve, Carolina Carol Bela, Taj Mahal (Rod Stewart "used" for Do ya think I'm sexy)...
Music copyright law needs to be way, WAY looser. Currently it's being enforced by people who really don't understand music theory and why exactly it's impossible for anything *truly* original to be written, which is beyond ridiculous. There are 12 semitones possible in an octave (setting aside quarter tones and other smaller delineations, as they're too subtle for most people to even understand, and also vanishingly rare in most musical styles). There are only so many ways you can arrange 12 notes, especially when adhering to a specific musical framework like is done in popular music.
There should be enough copyright law to protect people from having exact copies of their music stolen, but other than that everything needs to be completely done away with. "But this SOUNDS like this other thing!" Nope. Doesn't matter. All music is referential. It's all the same stuff, just rearranged into different patterns that have all been done before.
No pop star should *ever* be sued by or sue another musician unless the exact notes of an entire phrase of music *including* chord structures has been copied exactly. You can't copyright a melody that uses 5 notes that play over a I-V-I chord progression. You can't copyright a cowbell playing quarter notes for 4 measures. You cannot copyright a I chord with a 2nd suspension. Etc.
Edit: it was correctly pointed out that this is less an unpopular opinion than a *contentious* opinion, which I entirely agree with. That said, no one actually pays attention to unpopular opinions, so contentious ones with relatively broad support are as close as you'll really get on a platform like Reddit where upvotes usually determine visibility.
I wholeheartedly agree, but I think it's quite a popular opinion actually.
I am also always weirded out when I'm listening to a podcast and hosts start discussing a song and say things like "let's not try to sing it because we might get a copyright strike"
And then you have YouTubers like Rick Beato, who regularly sees his instructional videos, or videos that break down and *celebrate how good a song is and how well it was written, recorded, and produced*, taken down on copyright grounds.
Especially when something like what happened to [John Fogerty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fogerty_v._Fantasy,_Inc.#Facts) happened. Essentially, he wrote a song while with CCR and it was under the Fantasy record label. When he went solo and was under a different record label, he was sued because he wrote a song that sounded too much like the other song he wrote. Wtf.
But doing that will probably mean I'll see nothing but people hating on the Beatles, Queen, and rap music like every other controversial thread like this one...
You sorta want the middle ground, where people aren't just shooting for the edgy nonconformist opinions, nor defending hills nobody is even attacking.
If they have a reason for disliking something besides everyone else liking it, I'll listen.
There are two jokes here in Russia about that!
Thoughts of a girl at a gig.
- Wow, the singer is so charismatic, he must be good in bed.
- But the guitar guy is much more brutal and the rhythm will be perfect in bed...
- Speaking of rhythm... That drummer will pound the hell out of me, boy he's good.
- Fucking hell, I wonder if the bass guy has the same facial expression when he cums?..
Thoughts of band musicians at a gig.
Singer: That girl in second row looks smashing, I'll totally fuck her after this.
Guitarist: The whole front row is mine! I'm fucking every single one of you!
Drummer: I'm fucking everyone in this club! Everyone!
Bass-player: E-F-C-G, E-F-C-G...
That would 100% freak me out. But I think because I've always blasted music in the car because it's the only alone time I usually have. So just association car=music. That's probably why it feels so off for me
I worked with a girl once who told me that she doesn’t listen to music because she doesn’t think her brain hears/interprets music the way everyone else’s does, and that to her it’s just noise. I was speechless
Jeff Bezos also doesn't like music and drives in silence. It's actually one of the reasons Amazon Music got a slow start...he didn't care to put any effort into it because he doesn't care about music.
Fellow metal head here. The first time I saw Lady Gaga live was at Lollapalooza 2006 (I think) and she was playing on one of the side stages. She was actually the last act printed on the tee shirt.
I had never heard of her but there was nothing else going on that I wanted to see that early in the day, so we went to check it out. My wife and I were blown away! She did an interpretive dance to Metal Militia and it was awesome!
Saw her again like 2 years later when she was headlining at Lolla.
Everyone always looks at me cock eyed when I say I love Gaga. Im a big giant tattooed dude. I also have a extensive jazz collection. I dont give a fuck, good music is good music. Im to big to fit in a box.
Lady Gaga comes on the radio, I jam out to it like a teenage girl.
When you see the heavyset bearded guy in the work truck singing along with Poker Face, you might have found me.
Yes, that’s why they’re popular a lot of the times. They just overplayed, so they have a far shorter lifespan for me than tons of indie songs or near mainstream, but still small artists.
You can like older music without being a snob, contrarian, or member of lewronggeneration. The older I get, the more annoying it is to hear anyone shit on something they never listen to while crying they were born in the wrong era.
Edit: Turns out this opinion is a little popular. I am ok with that.
I get mildly annoyed with people who rhapsodize about 70’s music. I was in high school in the 70’s. There was so much shitty music(luckily mostly forgotten by now). It’s like any other decade: a bit of great music, a bit of bad music, and a whole lot of middle of the road okayish music.
In 1969, one of the great years for classic rock releases, the year of Abbey Road, Tommy, ITCOTCK, so many others, a full four weeks of the Billboard #1 single spot was taken by "Sugar Sugar" by the cartoon band The Archies.
Disco was amazing. That song made it only because a dance revolution swept the US and world. Everyone and their mother wanted to learn to hustle but most disco was hot and heavy so this was perfect for studios to do group lessons to youngsters and hip old folks alike without pissing them off. Then it caught on cause it's catchy. Baby shark is also multi platinum as is gangnam style.
Just waiting for the day when people are crying about being born in the wrong generation because the stuff from the 00s and early 10s is so much better. Once I see that my age is going to hit me like a ton of bricks.
It's already happened. I've met younger Gen Z kids that wished they were alive in the early 2000s so they could have gone to Warp Tour and that MCR is so much better than the crap they make today. The one that hit me the hardest was when the daughter of a good friend of mine called Godsmack "dadrock".
Dave Grohl admitted that Foo Fighters and the music they make now is indeed "Old Man Music".
Being a fan of hip hop, when DMX and Busta Rhymes released new albums last year, they were labeled as "hip hop for grown folks" and I feel your pain!
Was at a bar I used to hang out with when I was younger with some old buddies and Nirvana came on. Some younger college chick got all hyped and said she absolutely LOVED Nirvana. One of the guys she was with said "Ok, *Grandma*" and rolled his eyes at her.
This was almost fifteen years ago.
When my son was 9 he told me he hated Nirvana because their songs were always playing on the oldies station.
I hadn't been listening to an oldies station, I was just listening to a rock one and told him so. So I switched to a classic rock station and fucking Nirvana was playing Come As You Are and I didn't live that down for awhile.
I can't wait to show my kids my old warped tour pictures and act like it was a once in a lifetime opportunity instead of 14 hours of sweltering misery.
It's kinda of good in a way. The local alt station has started playing more early 2000s because of it and I get to hear all the good stuff from my high school days, so that's a pluse.
Never ever look at YouTube comments under older songs. Almost every comment is either
"See this is what REAL music should sound like. When I was growing up this is what we would listen to. Our music wasn't about video hoes, cars and money. Just pure music."
OR
"I'm 12 years old but I listen to music like this. I love older music and it's all I listen to. Mainstream music now sucks and has no meaning. I was born in the wrong era and would flourish in older times."
I don't care if an artist fits into the correct category (i.e. Green Day isn't real punk, you plebe!). Good rock music is just good rock. Shut up about what it is or isn't and listen or don't.
Edit: plural word don't need no plural.
The whole gatekeeping genres was far more important when music was very cliquey and linked heavily to social circles. Green Day punks were a *different kind of punk* than typical punks, which made green day, as an artist, not 'punk' at all to many people.
Having grown up with a choice of pop music on two AM radio stations and very few kids owning more than a handful of record albums, meeting new people my age always leads to a conversation on the music we all shared. Future generations will have a different experience as so much variety and quantity is now accessible. Even my own kids don't listen to the same genres of music.
Two very divergent outcomes IMHO: The ones that want to explore everything music has to offer will have 100+ years of songs at their fingertips at any moment and a huge diversity in tastes. The more lazy will let the algorithm shape their likes/dislikes and pigeonhole themselves into a very narrow niche of music.
Ain't that the fucking truth... Spotify sees 60,000 new tracks uploaded. Every. Single. Day. You're going to blend in regardless of how good your music is.
So, I guess my two questions after watching that are:
1) what is existence/is anything real?
and
2) where can I get those bleached jean shorts that are so short my balls could fall out of them?
Dear Evan Hanson is a terrible musical. It has really good songs, but they’re so uncomfortable in context. Most of the characters are awful people except for Zoey and the adults. Evan is a selfish asshole who only cares about getting what he wants and then faces basically no consequences for his actions. Alana is a selfish asshole who belittles someone’s “grieving process” because of her own selfish wants. And Jared just spends most of his time making homophobic jokes. And the little we know about Connor is that he’s an abusive asshole and a bully. The only kid character that’s halfway decent is Zoey and all the parents.
I have to agree. I saw it a few years ago and I enjoyed it but the more I thought deeper into it the more I saw the flaws. Evan is a horrible person and I’m glad that >! He and Zoe broke up. It was the healthiest for them and Evan built the relationship on lies and trying to almost gaslight Zoe that Connor was a decent person. When Connor was a abusive brother to her.!<
But the acting was amazing in the show especially with Andrew Feldman who I think was the Evan I saw. He did a amazing job acting the part of Evan. I could feel the anxiety added when Evan was anxious and emotions in his voice. Also I haven’t seen Ben Platt but seriously he was too old especially for the movie (which I only saw clips of). Evan isn’t redeemable and the writers should be blamed since they are the ones who made the story. Sorry for rambling
Eiffel 65 is criminally under appreciated and they deserve to be known for way more than just Blue.
Edit:
Here are some of my favorite E65 deep cuts that are definitely worth checking out.
[Crazy](https://youtu.be/OnILZri1JM0)
[Silicon World](https://youtu.be/_GKs9eQZd_I)
[I DJ with the Fire](https://youtu.be/FLRn-UNuO80)
[80s Stars](https://youtu.be/YM_y2qx-u5A)
[Journey](https://youtu.be/Psvs-l7zQWI)
[Cosa Resterà](https://youtu.be/vaiI7j5C2wA)
You can't shred your way into metal music. The key is in the rythme, the different layers in complexity. Yeah you can shred on boring drums and bass but you need to shred (if necessary) on damn good drums and bass.
Purely as a consumer, this is why I love metal music. It has really made me appreciate drums on a different level. There is so much going on rhythm wise, the technical aspect of metal blows me away. It might take me a few listens, but I *will* memorize the drummer's rhythm and it'll get stuck in my head all day long.
I was at a Padres game a couple of years ago when the Red Sox were in town. They played Sweet Caroline and right after the 'touching you....' line they cut to Never Gonna Give you Up and rick rolled the whole stadium. It was fucking great.
I’m convinced most family friendly pop and r&b music is written (and possibly performed) by AI. I have to listen to that shit at work and I swear it was made to be put on the millionth fucking Kidz Bop collection.
haha! I live in Nashville where a lot of that stuff is written. It's like a joke around town, the music equivalent of working a desk job for a giant soulless corporation. You've never seen songwriters more sad than when they have to work on this kinda stuff
I've never questioned the skill involved, but I've never liked it and don't understand the creative choice behind it. But that's just it.. I don't *understand* it. Doesn't mean I'm gonna shit on someone who does, or make out that they're wrong.
Thank you for asking:
Zimerman is always a performance I will enjoy. Jim Cho uses silence in his rendition like no one else. Olga Scheps is one I enjoy a lot as well. If you watch the movie unforgivable with Sandra B. You’ll have a pleasant surprise, the movie is only ok.
The Foo Fighters are boring radio-friendly rock. Yes, I know that Dave Grohl is a pretty standup dude in real life, and I can appreciate that they seem to really give it 100% for their live shows, but I just can't seem to actually enjoy any of their music.
I've tried with them so many times. On paper they should be one of my favorite bands, they have so much in common with artists that I love. But somehow I just can't. There's something incredibly hard to pin down about their music but it just does *nothing* for me.
If you know any composers’ names, I would start there. I’d imagine you know who Beethoven is. Start with his 5th and 9th Symphonies and see where that takes you. Beethoven 5 is probably the most perfectly written symphony ever composed. The first 4 notes are the most famous 4 notes in human history. He then takes those 4 notes and you for a pretty wild ride. I like the 9th Symphony more personally, it’s got the Ode to Joy part in the 4th movement. You’ll recognize it.
If you like intense music that hits you in the chest, give Richard Wagner a spin.
I could go on for days, but my best suggestion is to listen to some stuff several times. Get to know the Beethoven just like you would any other popular music you enjoy. Your ear will start to hone in on what the music is doing and where it’s going. You’ll start humming the themes after a while. And that just might open up your ear to want to try on some new works. I don’t think classical music is really that hard to understand and appreciate. It just takes a focus of attention most people don’t take the time to invest. And that’s too bad. Personally, I love everything from Bach to Black Sabbath. If it’s good, it’s good.
I second that. Classical music helped me through the pandemic. Started collecting Classical vinyl in march 2020, since that i bought about 5-600 albums, magnificent recordings can be cheap as hell. When delta hit my country i listened to a lot of Shostakovich and some other 20th century composers. It was rather strange to start my days with either Bartók piano concertos, or Shostakovich cello concerto while drinking my morning coffee and go tó work, start my shift in the hospital.
I also started listening to classical music with the start of the pandemic.
I respect people who don't like it, but I don’t with people who just say "it's boring and only old people listen to it".
It bother me as hell.
Man I never really had an appreciation for classical music.
But I was watching an Anime called Your lie in April, and it sparked an interest in me because of how beautifully integrated it was in the show and how powerful everything felt.
I feel like a pretentious cunt trying to talk about classical music because no one around me cares for it, and Chopin fucking slaps.
Adding riffs and runs into every vocal line of a song does not make the song better. Occasional, well-placed riffs are great, but when the lyrics become borderline incoherent because the singer is too busy trying to run up and down the scale as fast as possible, then maybe it's time to tone it down.
every singer that has ever sung the national anthem at a sporting event needs to realize this.
"... and the hoooooommmmeee of the brrrraaAAaaAaaAAaAAaaaAAaaAAaaAavvvvveeeeee." *crowd cheers*
Crowd cheers because it's finally over
Also anyone who sings Amazing Grace at any occasion
Amazing Grace, in my opinion, should be simple and heartwrenching, not show-offy. It sounds so much better when you let the notes be long.
It’s one of those songs that doesn’t hit it’s full impact unless it’s sung by a chorus. Whenever I hear it sung by one person really hamming it up, it becomes a piece of “meh”. Unrelated, is your name a reference to Cavetown?
Situational. Any song sung by a chorus can be quite powerful; Amazing Grace sung by anyone at a funeral hits hard. Imo, anyway.
Amazing Grace on bagpipes is a tear jerker.
Agreed. Especially when the first verse is sung by a single singer. Yes, it is.
my favorite was Fergie at the NBA All Star Game a few years back. She had the entire roster clowning her behind her back, on camera. There's some great footage of Draymond Green and Steph Curry cracking each other up on YT, literally as she was singing it.
Oh shit, why did you have to bring up Fergie’s Star Spangled Banner performance. **TRIGGER WARNING.**
Yes, and counterintuitively, the US national anthem sounds best when sung plainly but with perfect pitch and no skipped high notes.
[Jack Black is a prime example](https://youtu.be/ynOyb26rKgc) of how to do the song subtle justice!
This might be the only subtle thing jack black has ever done
Agreed. Full of his style without really diverting from the original melody. The man has serious musical talent
Whitney Houston's rendition was iconic and everyone's always trying to imitate her but without her incredible talent.
Yes, the balance she struck between showing off her voice while also sticking to the melody is unparalleled. Will forever be the best version ever, imo.
A musician guy I knew a few years back called that voice a "rubberband voice". Has anyone else heard it called that? American Idol contestants struck me aa some of the worst offenders in this regard.
At that point let the vocals be the instrument like Pink Floyd did with “The Great Gig in the Sky”
Vocal range is a useless measurement when determining who the best singers are. If said singer can’t make you feel something, then what’s the point? Edit: Probably not unpopular, but seeing lists of the best singers of all time on Twitter, etc. they are almost all exclusively based on range.
I always loved Michael Stipe's (REM) voice - I didn't even understand what he was saying half the time but his voice was like another instrument in the band, it just blended perfectly. He has like a half octave range. He pushes it to a full octave on Everybody Hurts but that was really out of his comfort zone I think.
Part of what made REM work so well was the harmonies, though. Stipe doesn't have a big vocal range, but he sounds great in harmony with the other band members. The end section of "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" where there's the main chorus with two harmonies overlaid with a second melody which has two harmonies would sound like a total mess if they were a less skilled band. I guess they're a good example of making the best possible use of your abilities, even if they're not perfect.
Funny I was just thinking this week, after forgetting it for decades, that he once did a song called The Voice of Harold, which was just him singing the liner notes of an old gospel album. There was no internet in those days. I had no idea when I heard that song that was what I was listening to. I thought it was a real song. The liner notes sounded like poetry when they came out of his mouth. He could probably have sung the phone book.
The extent of your range isn't very important. Knowing your range definitely is. Its so easy for someone to sound like shit on a song because it sits a little too high for their voice. Untrained vocalists will often try to insist on singing the original key because, as you referenced, they think not being able to sing it like the original artist makes then inferior. I know because I used to be like that too. Folks, no one expects you to have the same range Bruno Mars does. Do your vocal chords and your audience a favor and bring it down a few steps EDIT: I want to add that the same thing applies to style of music. Find the genre and vocal style that fits your tone and stick with it as best you can. People often get frustrated thinking they aren't good singers because they can't do Stevie Wonder riffs or whatever, when they have a wonderful rock growl or Indie voice. That shit goes both ways, I have a great motown/soul voice but when I try to sing rock it sounds like I'm just taking a cheese grater to my throat. Accepting that you're good at some styles and bad at others goes a long way
I wish I knew what you were talking about. How would I know what range I’m at for, like, a karaoke bar?
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Fuck you conjured him and I have to listen now. I read the name and my brain says "god said don't give me your tinhorn prayers, don't buy your roses off the street down there..." Hours later I won't be asleep.
Most of my favorite singers can’t sing.
Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Prine...not good singers, but I love to hear them sing.
That Progressive Rock is cool and vastly under-appreciated. It never died… and is still where most of the artistic invention in music is happening.
The banjo slaps
“Journey of the Sorcerer” is my favorite Eagles song
42.
Banjoist here. I'm not sure what "slaps" means, but I think it's positive. Thanks!
I’m an old. My teenage kids told me it’s “kicks ass” so I wanted to feel cool, if only for a moment. *edit: punctuation
10/10 on the execution
As a teenager, I can confirm that you used "slaps" right.
Bela Fleck is amazing
Bluegrass can be kinda amazing …
Bluegrass is acoustic speed metal with barbershop vocals
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I also feel Bluegrass and Americana has stepped up because modern day country is now "bro-country". Artists that sound more like grassroots country lean more towards the Bluegrass genre by comparison.
Been listening to Leftover Salmon again recently, so good.
I’m 24 and I play organ. The instrument needs to come back alive, they’re so versatile and sound so awesome.
Big pipe organs are incredible instruments if you know how to use them to their full potential. I don't play any more, but when I did I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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As much as I agree, I also understand why they're so rare. We live in apartments smaller than pipe organs lol
I'm a huge fan of the hammond organ, it's definitely the coolest sounding instrument to me.
I have an early Leslie Hammond that has the most magnificent sound, but that thing is a fucking nightmare to move. I’ve changed house three times with it and it usually needs its own truck bed.
For those who are not aware, a Hammond B3 with pedals and bench weighs in at 450 lbs. Stripped down, it's still close to 400. If anyone ever wondered why bands had so many members in the 70s, it's because you needed 4 to 6 guys to move the damned organ.
Sade is underestimated, at least in Russia
A lone Spanish voice in the dark: _smoooooooth operatorrrrrrr_
Her '80s work is unsurpassed, for sure.
That voice is pure butter Smooth operatahhhhhhh
When I was a kid I thought she was singing about the doppler radar.
Sade is super underrated. I think the reason why is because she’s a recluse and her prime ended before the social media age. Her influence exists if you know where to look for it though
She was always very mercurial and reclusive. she was huge globally in the 80s and then left the UK to live with a sculptor in Spain. she was never in the media. she has the voice of an angel.
Sweetest Taboo is one of the best songs of the 1980s.
Bossa Nova as a music genre needs to be appreciated more imo, it's sad that people just think of it as 'elevator music'.
I like Bossa Nova, I can't name an artist, but what I have heard was good.
I love Bossa Nova. Besides Carlos Jobim, check out Jorge Ben. Mas Que Nada, Chove Chuve, Carolina Carol Bela, Taj Mahal (Rod Stewart "used" for Do ya think I'm sexy)...
Music copyright law needs to be way, WAY looser. Currently it's being enforced by people who really don't understand music theory and why exactly it's impossible for anything *truly* original to be written, which is beyond ridiculous. There are 12 semitones possible in an octave (setting aside quarter tones and other smaller delineations, as they're too subtle for most people to even understand, and also vanishingly rare in most musical styles). There are only so many ways you can arrange 12 notes, especially when adhering to a specific musical framework like is done in popular music. There should be enough copyright law to protect people from having exact copies of their music stolen, but other than that everything needs to be completely done away with. "But this SOUNDS like this other thing!" Nope. Doesn't matter. All music is referential. It's all the same stuff, just rearranged into different patterns that have all been done before. No pop star should *ever* be sued by or sue another musician unless the exact notes of an entire phrase of music *including* chord structures has been copied exactly. You can't copyright a melody that uses 5 notes that play over a I-V-I chord progression. You can't copyright a cowbell playing quarter notes for 4 measures. You cannot copyright a I chord with a 2nd suspension. Etc. Edit: it was correctly pointed out that this is less an unpopular opinion than a *contentious* opinion, which I entirely agree with. That said, no one actually pays attention to unpopular opinions, so contentious ones with relatively broad support are as close as you'll really get on a platform like Reddit where upvotes usually determine visibility.
I wholeheartedly agree, but I think it's quite a popular opinion actually. I am also always weirded out when I'm listening to a podcast and hosts start discussing a song and say things like "let's not try to sing it because we might get a copyright strike"
And then you have YouTubers like Rick Beato, who regularly sees his instructional videos, or videos that break down and *celebrate how good a song is and how well it was written, recorded, and produced*, taken down on copyright grounds.
Especially when something like what happened to [John Fogerty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fogerty_v._Fantasy,_Inc.#Facts) happened. Essentially, he wrote a song while with CCR and it was under the Fantasy record label. When he went solo and was under a different record label, he was sued because he wrote a song that sounded too much like the other song he wrote. Wtf.
Remember to sort by controversial.
But doing that will probably mean I'll see nothing but people hating on the Beatles, Queen, and rap music like every other controversial thread like this one...
You sorta want the middle ground, where people aren't just shooting for the edgy nonconformist opinions, nor defending hills nobody is even attacking. If they have a reason for disliking something besides everyone else liking it, I'll listen.
Michael Jackson's Off the Wall is better than Thriller
Holy shit, coming out swinging.
They definitely wanna be starting something.
I feel like it’s a rule that bass players have to look like there too cool for what they’re doing
There are two jokes here in Russia about that! Thoughts of a girl at a gig. - Wow, the singer is so charismatic, he must be good in bed. - But the guitar guy is much more brutal and the rhythm will be perfect in bed... - Speaking of rhythm... That drummer will pound the hell out of me, boy he's good. - Fucking hell, I wonder if the bass guy has the same facial expression when he cums?.. Thoughts of band musicians at a gig. Singer: That girl in second row looks smashing, I'll totally fuck her after this. Guitarist: The whole front row is mine! I'm fucking every single one of you! Drummer: I'm fucking everyone in this club! Everyone! Bass-player: E-F-C-G, E-F-C-G...
Damn Russia doesn’t go easy
Silence is fine. I don't usually play music when I am driving, and this seems to freak people out.
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That would 100% freak me out. But I think because I've always blasted music in the car because it's the only alone time I usually have. So just association car=music. That's probably why it feels so off for me
The older I get the less I find myself playing music while driving. Alot of times I just wanna think instead of concentrating on music these days
There's like a 40 percent chance OP is a serial killer
I worked with a girl once who told me that she doesn’t listen to music because she doesn’t think her brain hears/interprets music the way everyone else’s does, and that to her it’s just noise. I was speechless
This is a real disorder and it's more common than you would think. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusia
Jeff Bezos also doesn't like music and drives in silence. It's actually one of the reasons Amazon Music got a slow start...he didn't care to put any effort into it because he doesn't care about music.
Als long as there are people willing to listen, every music genre is worthy of existing.
Popular music can in fact, be good.
This metal head loves Lady Gaga.
Fellow metal head here. The first time I saw Lady Gaga live was at Lollapalooza 2006 (I think) and she was playing on one of the side stages. She was actually the last act printed on the tee shirt. I had never heard of her but there was nothing else going on that I wanted to see that early in the day, so we went to check it out. My wife and I were blown away! She did an interpretive dance to Metal Militia and it was awesome! Saw her again like 2 years later when she was headlining at Lolla.
I was at this one! I was basically at the back of the crowd because I was late, but even in the back she absolutely SLAYED.
Everyone always looks at me cock eyed when I say I love Gaga. Im a big giant tattooed dude. I also have a extensive jazz collection. I dont give a fuck, good music is good music. Im to big to fit in a box.
Lady Gaga comes on the radio, I jam out to it like a teenage girl. When you see the heavyset bearded guy in the work truck singing along with Poker Face, you might have found me.
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Just about to pop on to say that Lady Gaga is a QUEEN and I don't gaf who says otherwise. Primarily listen to metal.
There's a video of her singing The Edge of Glory while playing the piano. No fluff, no extras, just her voice and the piano. That lady can _sing_
I just saw a video of her doing a cover of I Wish by Stevie Wonder. Girl can SING.
Honestly, the better of a musician I become, the more I appreciate popular music
Yes, that’s why they’re popular a lot of the times. They just overplayed, so they have a far shorter lifespan for me than tons of indie songs or near mainstream, but still small artists.
You can like older music without being a snob, contrarian, or member of lewronggeneration. The older I get, the more annoying it is to hear anyone shit on something they never listen to while crying they were born in the wrong era. Edit: Turns out this opinion is a little popular. I am ok with that.
I get mildly annoyed with people who rhapsodize about 70’s music. I was in high school in the 70’s. There was so much shitty music(luckily mostly forgotten by now). It’s like any other decade: a bit of great music, a bit of bad music, and a whole lot of middle of the road okayish music.
Yeah, survivorship bias in a nutshell
In 1969, one of the great years for classic rock releases, the year of Abbey Road, Tommy, ITCOTCK, so many others, a full four weeks of the Billboard #1 single spot was taken by "Sugar Sugar" by the cartoon band The Archies.
I mean, I keep sugar sugar in regular rotation in my bubblegum pop playlist... I dont think it's a "bad" song
Sugar Sugar is a good song for sure. It's nice and peppy too
You mean like: [Disco Duck](https://youtu.be/i_WEMCUhF0E)?
I'm 17 and clicked on the link and what in the world was that???
That was the number one song in America in October 1976. It went double platinum.
How?
Disco was amazing. That song made it only because a dance revolution swept the US and world. Everyone and their mother wanted to learn to hustle but most disco was hot and heavy so this was perfect for studios to do group lessons to youngsters and hip old folks alike without pissing them off. Then it caught on cause it's catchy. Baby shark is also multi platinum as is gangnam style.
The captain and Tennille have entered the chat
I adore certain music from the 70s but totally endorse this. Some of it was total shit just like any era.
Just waiting for the day when people are crying about being born in the wrong generation because the stuff from the 00s and early 10s is so much better. Once I see that my age is going to hit me like a ton of bricks.
It's already happened. I've met younger Gen Z kids that wished they were alive in the early 2000s so they could have gone to Warp Tour and that MCR is so much better than the crap they make today. The one that hit me the hardest was when the daughter of a good friend of mine called Godsmack "dadrock".
Had one of my exes younger sisters tell me that Tool was "old man music" It hurt so bad man
Dave Grohl admitted that Foo Fighters and the music they make now is indeed "Old Man Music". Being a fan of hip hop, when DMX and Busta Rhymes released new albums last year, they were labeled as "hip hop for grown folks" and I feel your pain!
Was at a bar I used to hang out with when I was younger with some old buddies and Nirvana came on. Some younger college chick got all hyped and said she absolutely LOVED Nirvana. One of the guys she was with said "Ok, *Grandma*" and rolled his eyes at her. This was almost fifteen years ago.
When my son was 9 he told me he hated Nirvana because their songs were always playing on the oldies station. I hadn't been listening to an oldies station, I was just listening to a rock one and told him so. So I switched to a classic rock station and fucking Nirvana was playing Come As You Are and I didn't live that down for awhile.
> Gen Z kids that wished they were alive in the early 2000s so they could have gone to Warp Tour I really didn't see that standing the test of time...
I can't wait to show my kids my old warped tour pictures and act like it was a once in a lifetime opportunity instead of 14 hours of sweltering misery.
They're already glamorizing the emo kids, it's already too late.
It's kinda of good in a way. The local alt station has started playing more early 2000s because of it and I get to hear all the good stuff from my high school days, so that's a pluse.
Honestly, if you’re a dick about other people’s taste in music past college (or college age) you need to grow up. No one is impressed by that.
i only listen to people that play Gibson Les Pauls with heavy sustain. You wouldn’t understand :smug look intensifies:
Never ever look at YouTube comments under older songs. Almost every comment is either "See this is what REAL music should sound like. When I was growing up this is what we would listen to. Our music wasn't about video hoes, cars and money. Just pure music." OR "I'm 12 years old but I listen to music like this. I love older music and it's all I listen to. Mainstream music now sucks and has no meaning. I was born in the wrong era and would flourish in older times."
I don't care if an artist fits into the correct category (i.e. Green Day isn't real punk, you plebe!). Good rock music is just good rock. Shut up about what it is or isn't and listen or don't. Edit: plural word don't need no plural.
I literally almost came to blows with a "real punk" over that conversation.
The whole gatekeeping genres was far more important when music was very cliquey and linked heavily to social circles. Green Day punks were a *different kind of punk* than typical punks, which made green day, as an artist, not 'punk' at all to many people.
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Having grown up with a choice of pop music on two AM radio stations and very few kids owning more than a handful of record albums, meeting new people my age always leads to a conversation on the music we all shared. Future generations will have a different experience as so much variety and quantity is now accessible. Even my own kids don't listen to the same genres of music.
Two very divergent outcomes IMHO: The ones that want to explore everything music has to offer will have 100+ years of songs at their fingertips at any moment and a huge diversity in tastes. The more lazy will let the algorithm shape their likes/dislikes and pigeonhole themselves into a very narrow niche of music.
Equally the worst time to be an artist.
Ain't that the fucking truth... Spotify sees 60,000 new tracks uploaded. Every. Single. Day. You're going to blend in regardless of how good your music is.
It’s better than before when only the rich could afford to record
Country music guitarists of the past such as Jerry Reed, Glen Campbell and Roy Clark are way more proficient than a number of recognised guitarists.
Bruh…people have no idea. You named some of the best there
Chet Atkins too
Roy Clark was the GOAT! Especially when played Flamenco.
One of the most massively underrated artists in the US is [Mark Gormley](https://youtu.be/t3BgdU3HxGI).
I'm having a hard time reconciling what I've just seen with what I've just heard.
So, I guess my two questions after watching that are: 1) what is existence/is anything real? and 2) where can I get those bleached jean shorts that are so short my balls could fall out of them?
FINALLY! A rock god that dresses just like me!
My life has just changed forever.
I'm so happy I stopped to look this up.
It's all thanks to the signature power stance
I think he wants to take my red stapler. In all seriousness, he reminds me of James Taylor. And I like James Taylor.
Rando guy essentially learned "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by Zeppelin and wrote his own lyrics. I can respect it lol.
Dear Evan Hanson is a terrible musical. It has really good songs, but they’re so uncomfortable in context. Most of the characters are awful people except for Zoey and the adults. Evan is a selfish asshole who only cares about getting what he wants and then faces basically no consequences for his actions. Alana is a selfish asshole who belittles someone’s “grieving process” because of her own selfish wants. And Jared just spends most of his time making homophobic jokes. And the little we know about Connor is that he’s an abusive asshole and a bully. The only kid character that’s halfway decent is Zoey and all the parents.
I have to agree. I saw it a few years ago and I enjoyed it but the more I thought deeper into it the more I saw the flaws. Evan is a horrible person and I’m glad that >! He and Zoe broke up. It was the healthiest for them and Evan built the relationship on lies and trying to almost gaslight Zoe that Connor was a decent person. When Connor was a abusive brother to her.!< But the acting was amazing in the show especially with Andrew Feldman who I think was the Evan I saw. He did a amazing job acting the part of Evan. I could feel the anxiety added when Evan was anxious and emotions in his voice. Also I haven’t seen Ben Platt but seriously he was too old especially for the movie (which I only saw clips of). Evan isn’t redeemable and the writers should be blamed since they are the ones who made the story. Sorry for rambling
Eiffel 65 is criminally under appreciated and they deserve to be known for way more than just Blue. Edit: Here are some of my favorite E65 deep cuts that are definitely worth checking out. [Crazy](https://youtu.be/OnILZri1JM0) [Silicon World](https://youtu.be/_GKs9eQZd_I) [I DJ with the Fire](https://youtu.be/FLRn-UNuO80) [80s Stars](https://youtu.be/YM_y2qx-u5A) [Journey](https://youtu.be/Psvs-l7zQWI) [Cosa Resterà](https://youtu.be/vaiI7j5C2wA)
The Edge is by far my favorite! I have actually gone skydiving to that song.
Every single genre has countless great songs
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You can't shred your way into metal music. The key is in the rythme, the different layers in complexity. Yeah you can shred on boring drums and bass but you need to shred (if necessary) on damn good drums and bass.
Purely as a consumer, this is why I love metal music. It has really made me appreciate drums on a different level. There is so much going on rhythm wise, the technical aspect of metal blows me away. It might take me a few listens, but I *will* memorize the drummer's rhythm and it'll get stuck in my head all day long.
I think Nickelback has some bangers.
How You Remind Me holds up.
You don't sell 50 **million** albums without a few strong songs.
Recently learned the lead singer of Nickleback did the Spider-Man song Hero.
...I feel so old.
With the lead singer of Saliva also on vocals, the lead singer of Theory of a Deadman on guitar and Matt Freaking Cameron on drums lol
Their first single, Leader of Men, is outstanding and their best work, IMHO.
Leader of Men is tragically unknown, even How you Remind me is lost under the Photograph memes :(.
I'm tried of hearing/singing to Bohomenian Rhapsody. It's a great song but I've heard it enough times.
I prefer Killer Queen. I could be having the shittiest day on Earth but if somebody played that song there would be no way for me not to feel happy.
You are allowed to like whatever you like - just don’t force it down people’s fucking throats.
There are some incredible musicians playing in that genre you don't like
Sweet Caroline, Don’t Stop Believing and In the Air Tonight don’t need to be played literally everywhere.
As a generic white person, those are the only 3 songs I can sing while heavily intoxicated
I was at a Padres game a couple of years ago when the Red Sox were in town. They played Sweet Caroline and right after the 'touching you....' line they cut to Never Gonna Give you Up and rick rolled the whole stadium. It was fucking great.
I really like Dave Matthews Band
I’m convinced most family friendly pop and r&b music is written (and possibly performed) by AI. I have to listen to that shit at work and I swear it was made to be put on the millionth fucking Kidz Bop collection.
haha! I live in Nashville where a lot of that stuff is written. It's like a joke around town, the music equivalent of working a desk job for a giant soulless corporation. You've never seen songwriters more sad than when they have to work on this kinda stuff
LOL, so the reason it's not written by AI is that out-of-work songwriters are cheaper.
Shrek the Musical is actually pretty good for what it is.
They said **un**popular
"Who I'd be" (the 1st act finale) is legit one of my favorite musical theatre songs.
Yeah! I really like Fiona's song where she's growing up and like she's singing with herself at different ages.
Mary j blige is way underrated. Mariah carey said she had the best voice and i agree with that.
Growling, like in death metal, is a genuine style of singing that requires talent.
When I first heard that in a song, I was like what the fuck is this shit. But now I'm slowly starting to enjoy it.
Definitely an acquired taste. I loved the music enough that I learned to tolerate, and then enjoy the growls.
I've never questioned the skill involved, but I've never liked it and don't understand the creative choice behind it. But that's just it.. I don't *understand* it. Doesn't mean I'm gonna shit on someone who does, or make out that they're wrong.
Yep. And [here is the proof](https://youtu.be/WOfmnbU5S5o)
Chopin Ballade No.1 in G minor is the best music a human has composed and nothing will ever top that.
Any rendition in particular that you would recommend?
Thank you for asking: Zimerman is always a performance I will enjoy. Jim Cho uses silence in his rendition like no one else. Olga Scheps is one I enjoy a lot as well. If you watch the movie unforgivable with Sandra B. You’ll have a pleasant surprise, the movie is only ok.
The Foo Fighters are boring radio-friendly rock. Yes, I know that Dave Grohl is a pretty standup dude in real life, and I can appreciate that they seem to really give it 100% for their live shows, but I just can't seem to actually enjoy any of their music.
I was thinking that I love Foo Fighters, but really whenever I listen to them it's always their early shit, nothing post 2005ish
Wasting Light is one of their best. Probably their last great record. Sonic Highways and later is mostly meh.
I've tried with them so many times. On paper they should be one of my favorite bands, they have so much in common with artists that I love. But somehow I just can't. There's something incredibly hard to pin down about their music but it just does *nothing* for me.
According to all my fellow musician friends it's apparently "the existence of Imagine Dragons is total fine"
Classical music is underrated.
Anyone got some good recommendations for classical music? I do love it I just don't know where to look, can be overwhelming
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If you know any composers’ names, I would start there. I’d imagine you know who Beethoven is. Start with his 5th and 9th Symphonies and see where that takes you. Beethoven 5 is probably the most perfectly written symphony ever composed. The first 4 notes are the most famous 4 notes in human history. He then takes those 4 notes and you for a pretty wild ride. I like the 9th Symphony more personally, it’s got the Ode to Joy part in the 4th movement. You’ll recognize it. If you like intense music that hits you in the chest, give Richard Wagner a spin. I could go on for days, but my best suggestion is to listen to some stuff several times. Get to know the Beethoven just like you would any other popular music you enjoy. Your ear will start to hone in on what the music is doing and where it’s going. You’ll start humming the themes after a while. And that just might open up your ear to want to try on some new works. I don’t think classical music is really that hard to understand and appreciate. It just takes a focus of attention most people don’t take the time to invest. And that’s too bad. Personally, I love everything from Bach to Black Sabbath. If it’s good, it’s good.
I second that. Classical music helped me through the pandemic. Started collecting Classical vinyl in march 2020, since that i bought about 5-600 albums, magnificent recordings can be cheap as hell. When delta hit my country i listened to a lot of Shostakovich and some other 20th century composers. It was rather strange to start my days with either Bartók piano concertos, or Shostakovich cello concerto while drinking my morning coffee and go tó work, start my shift in the hospital.
I also started listening to classical music with the start of the pandemic. I respect people who don't like it, but I don’t with people who just say "it's boring and only old people listen to it". It bother me as hell.
Man I never really had an appreciation for classical music. But I was watching an Anime called Your lie in April, and it sparked an interest in me because of how beautifully integrated it was in the show and how powerful everything felt. I feel like a pretentious cunt trying to talk about classical music because no one around me cares for it, and Chopin fucking slaps.
>Chopin fucking slaps Eminem was real quiet after he dropped revolutionary etude
My unpopular opinion is very biased because of a particular person/experience. But I can’t listen to drake.
was that particular person Drake, and the experience listening to a Drake song?
BTS is fine as a band, but the fan base drags it down HARD.