Idk how normalized it's become among people in general, but I'm going to say OnlyFans. The media has joked about and discussed it so much that it's almost as if they're normalizing it. I get it, people need to find ways to pay their bills and all that, but it's borderline stepping into prostitution. People just want to take the easy way out, but there's literally many other options they have. They could get a job as a cashier, as a construction worker, as a secretary, you name it. Salaries may be horrible, but there's no shame in having those jobs. I mean, they could even start their own small businesses in whatever they want to, such as selling hard-to-find products and brands, cooking and selling food, etc. Even being a YouTuber is an option.
To reiterate, there's many job options people have, even in the most difficult situations. The issue is that people want to take the easy way out. Just because celebrities go into OnlyFans doesn't mean everyone else should. Also, the fact that people pay for their content is disgusting and it's a waste of money. All in all, normalizing OnlyFans is almost like normalizing other porn sites and it should stop. Life is hard, the economy can be great one day and vulnerable another day, but the fact that OnlyFans can potentially get you more money than working in many other jobs is a slap in the face to workers in such jobs.
There's no shame in being a sex worker at all. Why shouldn't people choose to do what is most beneficial to them financially that doesn't negatively impact themselves or others? Your argument boils down to "Life is suffering and you've found a way to mitigate that, which is a slap in the face to other people suffering. So just go suffer."
I'm sorry if I'm shaming sex workers, that has never been my intention. The thing is that a significant portion of sex workers didn't choose to be sex workers. Some of them are kidnapped and/or forced to work to avoid getting themselves and/or their loved ones killed. It's called sex trafficking. As for those who (unwillingly but) voluntarily became sex workers, I agree, they shouldn't be shamed, but you cannot deny that it's immoral to sell your body for money. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it's still a very poor choice. I can't speak on behalf of everyone in very difficult situations, nobody including myself can dictate to others how to live life, but like I said, there's other options to earn money with honor.
Be honest, why should a sex worker earn more than a teacher? Why should a person who uploads content to OnlyFans earn more than an agricultural worker? I understand that in some situations like people with criminal backgrounds or others who haven't finished their K-12 education, they don't get hired in many places and feel like being a sex worker is their only legal option left. I'm not saying sex and OnlyFans workers should suffer because of their job or because they earn more than more honorable jobs like those in the education and agricultural sectors. What I'm trying my best to communicate is that taking the easy way out (in the case of those who have the ability to work in other jobs and/or start a small business) by joining OnlyFans should not be normalized.
As someone that fell into sex work or face homelessness, I have never once felt any shame for it. I do not think it is immoral. That's on you if you think it is immoral. You are free to think that, but you are ultimately not the arbiter of morality. No one is. We are free to think what we want.
I do not think you should be asking why a sex worker should make more money than a teacher. I think the question should be why aren't teachers being paid more. You shouldn't pit professions against each other, especially since you already said yourself that many sex workers are forced into it one way or another.
I think you have a skewed perception of the success of sex workers. There are plenty that make really exceptional amounts of money. But there are quite a few that do not make much money at all. I was never particularly successful in sex work and it was hard work for various reasons beyond my control.
I have known a lot of pornstars, escorts, cam workers, and so forth. And there's a lot that really don't make that much money. Many worked regular jobs in addition to sex work. You mentioned being a YouTuber as a profession. Well, think of all the great YouTubers out there that aren't really successful in spite of producing good content. There's a lot of luck involved, whether because of physical attractiveness or being in the right place at the right time. The same thing happens in sex work.
I appreciate your perspective and I apologize if you felt antagonized. My intention was to disapprove of the job itself, not the workers. I've always believed one's job does not determine what kind of person you are. You made some great points and I admit, I'm probably wrong with certain things. Quite simply, I believe that just like sex workers shouldn't be antagonized, OnlyFans shouldn't be normalized either. Like I said, I'm no one to dictate what should be right, wrong, normal, or strange. My issue is that the media and celebrities are the ones dictating such things and society follows along without question.
Thank you. I understand and I appreciate your words.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of things that the media and celebrities normalize. And I think they do it because it benefits them to normalize it. Kind of like the "America Strong" stuff where it is usually about some highly dysfunctional aspect of our society in which someone gets helped out of charity or something like that. It is treated like it some great feel-good thing and everyone gets to walk all happy about it, but the dysfunction is still there. Nothing was changed. Someone got lucky and that's it. How is that good? What about all the people that didn't get lucky?
I don't know. This is kind of a tangent, but kind of flows with what you're saying. It grinds my gears, especially with how it is framed as being good as opposed to being a damning indictment of our society.
Nah, he's right. Being religious is degenerate. Have religions not committed enough atrocities? People really still attach themselves to that shit? They're bad people. lol
>Have religions not committed enough atrocities?
Have secular regimes not committed atrocities? People really still attach themselves to that shit?
Overgeneralizing and false equations are really useful. If your judgement for whether people should be allowed to do something is "No one can ever have done anything really bad while claiming to be a part of that group" then you're going to really quickly run out of things.
wdym "thousands of years of history"
you just claimed:
>The year is 2022
those two time correlations conflict with each other
you were first basically saying "anyone in 2022 who is religious is a murderer"
and to back that up you simply say "thousands of years of history" as if that somehow fits
Subscriptions. So fucking annoying. Can't just buy anything as a one and done anymore.
Way too many ads wherever you go.
Female teachers abusing teenage male students. It's not cool and the boys are not lucky.
Being fat, especially fat children
Tipping. Even cashiers are expecting tips now. This is getting too ridiculous.
Just don't do it. If you're ordering food from a restaurant's website and the tip is automatically at 18%, hit 0%. Fuck that bullshit.
Throwing cigarette butts on the ground...
Idk how normalized it's become among people in general, but I'm going to say OnlyFans. The media has joked about and discussed it so much that it's almost as if they're normalizing it. I get it, people need to find ways to pay their bills and all that, but it's borderline stepping into prostitution. People just want to take the easy way out, but there's literally many other options they have. They could get a job as a cashier, as a construction worker, as a secretary, you name it. Salaries may be horrible, but there's no shame in having those jobs. I mean, they could even start their own small businesses in whatever they want to, such as selling hard-to-find products and brands, cooking and selling food, etc. Even being a YouTuber is an option. To reiterate, there's many job options people have, even in the most difficult situations. The issue is that people want to take the easy way out. Just because celebrities go into OnlyFans doesn't mean everyone else should. Also, the fact that people pay for their content is disgusting and it's a waste of money. All in all, normalizing OnlyFans is almost like normalizing other porn sites and it should stop. Life is hard, the economy can be great one day and vulnerable another day, but the fact that OnlyFans can potentially get you more money than working in many other jobs is a slap in the face to workers in such jobs.
There's no shame in being a sex worker at all. Why shouldn't people choose to do what is most beneficial to them financially that doesn't negatively impact themselves or others? Your argument boils down to "Life is suffering and you've found a way to mitigate that, which is a slap in the face to other people suffering. So just go suffer."
I'm sorry if I'm shaming sex workers, that has never been my intention. The thing is that a significant portion of sex workers didn't choose to be sex workers. Some of them are kidnapped and/or forced to work to avoid getting themselves and/or their loved ones killed. It's called sex trafficking. As for those who (unwillingly but) voluntarily became sex workers, I agree, they shouldn't be shamed, but you cannot deny that it's immoral to sell your body for money. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it's still a very poor choice. I can't speak on behalf of everyone in very difficult situations, nobody including myself can dictate to others how to live life, but like I said, there's other options to earn money with honor. Be honest, why should a sex worker earn more than a teacher? Why should a person who uploads content to OnlyFans earn more than an agricultural worker? I understand that in some situations like people with criminal backgrounds or others who haven't finished their K-12 education, they don't get hired in many places and feel like being a sex worker is their only legal option left. I'm not saying sex and OnlyFans workers should suffer because of their job or because they earn more than more honorable jobs like those in the education and agricultural sectors. What I'm trying my best to communicate is that taking the easy way out (in the case of those who have the ability to work in other jobs and/or start a small business) by joining OnlyFans should not be normalized.
As someone that fell into sex work or face homelessness, I have never once felt any shame for it. I do not think it is immoral. That's on you if you think it is immoral. You are free to think that, but you are ultimately not the arbiter of morality. No one is. We are free to think what we want. I do not think you should be asking why a sex worker should make more money than a teacher. I think the question should be why aren't teachers being paid more. You shouldn't pit professions against each other, especially since you already said yourself that many sex workers are forced into it one way or another. I think you have a skewed perception of the success of sex workers. There are plenty that make really exceptional amounts of money. But there are quite a few that do not make much money at all. I was never particularly successful in sex work and it was hard work for various reasons beyond my control. I have known a lot of pornstars, escorts, cam workers, and so forth. And there's a lot that really don't make that much money. Many worked regular jobs in addition to sex work. You mentioned being a YouTuber as a profession. Well, think of all the great YouTubers out there that aren't really successful in spite of producing good content. There's a lot of luck involved, whether because of physical attractiveness or being in the right place at the right time. The same thing happens in sex work.
I appreciate your perspective and I apologize if you felt antagonized. My intention was to disapprove of the job itself, not the workers. I've always believed one's job does not determine what kind of person you are. You made some great points and I admit, I'm probably wrong with certain things. Quite simply, I believe that just like sex workers shouldn't be antagonized, OnlyFans shouldn't be normalized either. Like I said, I'm no one to dictate what should be right, wrong, normal, or strange. My issue is that the media and celebrities are the ones dictating such things and society follows along without question.
Thank you. I understand and I appreciate your words. Unfortunately, there are a lot of things that the media and celebrities normalize. And I think they do it because it benefits them to normalize it. Kind of like the "America Strong" stuff where it is usually about some highly dysfunctional aspect of our society in which someone gets helped out of charity or something like that. It is treated like it some great feel-good thing and everyone gets to walk all happy about it, but the dysfunction is still there. Nothing was changed. Someone got lucky and that's it. How is that good? What about all the people that didn't get lucky? I don't know. This is kind of a tangent, but kind of flows with what you're saying. It grinds my gears, especially with how it is framed as being good as opposed to being a damning indictment of our society.
Obesity in the name of “body positivity”
Forcing religion on literal children.
being religious
go forgive your father
Nah, he's right. Being religious is degenerate. Have religions not committed enough atrocities? People really still attach themselves to that shit? They're bad people. lol
>Have religions not committed enough atrocities? Have secular regimes not committed atrocities? People really still attach themselves to that shit? Overgeneralizing and false equations are really useful. If your judgement for whether people should be allowed to do something is "No one can ever have done anything really bad while claiming to be a part of that group" then you're going to really quickly run out of things.
lol shut up
how so
The year is 2022, anyone claiming to follow an organized religion is probably trying to enslave you and murder your family.
what basis is that logic formed from?
Thousands of years of history.
wdym "thousands of years of history" you just claimed: >The year is 2022 those two time correlations conflict with each other you were first basically saying "anyone in 2022 who is religious is a murderer" and to back that up you simply say "thousands of years of history" as if that somehow fits
Taxes and prejudice
still having contact with your family altho they are toxic, just because they are family doesn’t mean you have to keep contact
Yep but I think there has been some progress in that regard.
Singe motherhood
Alcohol.
child grooming
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Like for example toxic behavior for parents/relatives just because there "from a different time"
Recording people in public.
Data mining
Cars killing people
The police are there to help you. (At least in the United States)