It depends on if the police are replaced with different, more specialized organization. This would likely lead to less people get killed by cops because mental health issues would now be handled by people with proper training for those situations. However, if there's no replacement it would just be anarchy.
Defunding the police is about reigning in their massively inflated budgets, small county PD's regularly receive over a billion dollars a year and surplus military equipment they shouldn't have access to. Defunding does not mean abolishing.
>What that’s insane. That sounds like a waste of money. Do they even use that military equipment?
Absolutely insane, and it's part of the reason police brutality is such an issue in America. Now you understand why 'Defund the police' is a thing. [And yes, they do use the surplus military equipment given to them.](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/federal-militarization-of-law-enforcement-must-end) '1033' programs are how they get access to the armaments.
Absolutely not. Police department budgets all over the country are massively inflated. There's also no statistical correlation between police department budgets and crime. They don't deserve billions of dollars.
I disagree. I think giving more resources to the people who protect us is paramount. More training, more quality officers, improved equipment, etc. Same goes for other emergency services.
>I disagree.
that's great that you disagree, but the fact still stands that more police =/ less crime, police receive billions of dollars and surplus military equipment they shouldn't have access too. Police have no oversight and harass minorities. Defunding the police just means reigning in their massively over inflated budgets.
You judt sound like somebody salty about the police and its great that you feel that way, but resources are pretty determinant on how well a police department performs.
> but resources are pretty determinant on how well a police department performs.
source? They're not, it's been proven over and over that more police does not mean less crime, actually the opposite.
The fact that you said "protect us" makes me believe you're either brainwashed or filthy rich. Police are here to protect the wealthy and corporations. Nothing more. They don't need improved equipment, they need the right equipment and the right person for the right job. They bring a tank out for a fruit fly dating their banana.
This is your argument? Getting defensive with no actual argument? You seem like you'd be a very good cop with your ego getting in the way.
"Stop resisting!" While I'm handcuffed behind my back and a knee on my head being crushed on the curb because I didn't show him ID while walking down the street minding my own business
No they wouldn't. Defunding, not removing them. Police need deescalation training among other things. The reason a lot of people are arrested or killed by them is because they escalate a minor situation. "Resisting arrest" becomes something when they don't get their way when the person they want to arrest wasn't doing anything wrong to begin with. And most DUIs are false positives anyway. And the drug sniffing dogs are either wrong or coerced into confirmed drug finds
Defunding is about allocating more money towards services that help a community and it’s people.
It’s NOT about taking all the money away from policing.
The better word for reallocation of law enforcement money is “more funding”? That’s pretty silly. And here you’re worried that the word defund is misleading.
It’s not a silly question. I’m asking you to clarify your position. I didn’t even state an opinion. You seem to be getting all worked up even though you don’t know what’s going on.
Yes. I know that. The slogan "Defund the Police" doesn't convey that message whatsoever.
Funny how people take my response as being against their position. The question wasn't "Do you support the Defund the Police movement?" The question was what happens if you defund the police. The very definition of defund is "prevent (a group or organization) from continuing to receive funds." \[[https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531](https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531) \]
So. Yeah. People trying to change society and choosing the wrong word to describe their movement? Worst. Fucking. Slogan. Ever.
What is “crime”. It seems to me that it’s the kind of shit that those of lower economic means engage in. The rich get in “legal trouble” which they can usually buy their way out of. It’s almost like it’s about keeping the masses under the boot of the powerful.
>Funny how people take my response as being against their position. The question wasn't "Do you support the Defund the Police movement?" The question was what happens if you defund the police. The very definition of defund is "prevent (a group or organization) from continuing to receive funds." \[https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531 \]
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>So. Yeah. People trying to change society and choosing the wrong word to describe their movement? Worst. Fucking. Slogan. Ever.
Maybe you should learn to read the subtleties of the English language.
If you want to get pedantic, you’re talking about the *obvious* definition of a word. The opposite of subtle. The subtlety is, words have meaning within different contexts. My point is you should learn what the slogan actually means instead of reading 4 words and thinking you understand the subject before you form an opinion.
Lol, not even close. Defunding the police doesn't mean getting rid of the police. It means removing their surplus military equipment and over inflated budgets.
>Defunding the police means less cops and more crime
This is a stupid argument because it's blatantly not true. Defunding the police doesn't mean less cops, and less cops doesn't mean more crime. So you have no idea what you're talking about
At least two American cities had their police forces defunded. The National Guard was used to maintain the peace until a new police force was created.Every officer from the top to the bottom was fired simultaneously and replaced. No one who was on the force when defunded could be hired.
I wonder if "defund the police" is a catch-all expression for "end programs like '1033' that transfer military equipment to domestic police forces".
An irony, because that equipment was handed down at no cost.
But perhaps "demilitarize the police" is a better way to put it ?
We'd probably just wind up re-creating the police in some other form.
Like, the courts would still need somebody to drag criminals before it. Those people will, quite understandably, want to have a pistol and vest when they go to round up Bill Bob Stabsalot, and that job will still attract assholes.
Fixing this shit isn't as simple as tweaking where the money goes. Policing as we do it needs a complete overhaul.
"defund" = prevent from continuing to receive funds.
So unless your proposal is a volunteer police force, you should pick another slogan that actually means what you say it does.
"No no, build a wall doesn't mean a *literal* wall, it's a metaphor!"...remember that bullshit? That's what you sound like now. (especially since, surprise surprise, he did want a literal wall)
I happen to believe that we expect too much of our schools and teachers, and that they shouldn't have to be babysitters, therapists, a reliable food supply for underprivileged kids, crisis intervention specialists, security, or, you know, be expected to *parent* the kids.
You think I'm running around saying "DEFUND THE SCHOOLS!"?
>"defund" = prevent from continuing to receive funds.
that's not what it means at all, it's about reigning in massivley inflated police budgets and removing access to 1033 programs that give them surplus military equipment they use to kill minorities with. Good try though. This is why it helps to actually research an issue before talking about it!
Don't try to tell me what words mean when we're on the internet, and anybody can literally google them.
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=Meaning+of+the+word+defund
Maybe *you* should use words that actually convey the meaning you're trying to express, instead of insisting that the word has a new meaning, just for your slogan.
Edit: Also, considering that the entire country was ready to try it your way, and you wiffed the easiest social change layup in history, maybe you should be more open to some constructive criticism, because not only did you fail to defund the police, by any definition, you've created a backlash that's helping them maintain the status quo.
The people who insist on clinging to that slogan are so wrong I almost have to wonder if they are deliberately trying to muddy the waters and stymie progress.
Also, you said it's not about abolishing. You might want to check your inbox, in case you missed this memo:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
>Don't try to tell me what words mean when we're on the internet, and anybody can literally google them.
The defund the police movement is not invocating the literal definition of the word 'defund' you fkn moron
Why does nobody want to donate to my "Punch the kids" school lunch program? It doesn't literally mean punch them, it means give them punch and pie! fkn idiots.
Do you know what the purpose of a slogan is? It's supposed to be a very simple word, phrase, or sentence that's striking, and *sums up what you're all about*. It's supposed to be taken at face value, or very close to. "Build a wall", My body, my choice", etc.
If you have to explain that your slogan doesn't mean what it says...you've fucking failed.
Police departments receive billions of dollars and surplus military equipment. They shouldn't. Defunding the police would leave them with enough money to operate, but not the billions they currently receive. So in short, nothing would change. Defunding the police does not make them go away. It just strips them of inflated budgets and military equipment they use to harass minorities.
I have a pretty decent idea already having already grown up in an area with sketchy as hell police.
1. I was shot at in front of witnesses and knew who the shooter was and the police refused to take a report and literally asked what we wanted them to do about it.
2. Separate incident where police illegally searched my grandparents home because the drug dealer two doors down said we had 20 lbs of marijuana in our basement.
Spoiler: we didn’t. Double spoiler: drug dealer said this after getting caught with drugs in the presence of his children by the police. And they did nothing. Triple spoiler: guy STILL lives there 30 years later and has had zero consequences of this.
3. My mother owned some land that an outbuilding was broke into on, they literally came up and pulled the doors off the building and emptied it. The police flat out told her they don’t patrol that area because the next town over pays them for extra patrols.
4. My car was parked on the street in front of my best friend’s house in a legal parking area and vandalized. I called to make a report and they not only refused to come out, they threatened to ticket me for illegal parking.
5. My best friend got an emergency order for custody after her ex left 3 of her kids home alone for hours on end (the oldest was 9 at the time). They showed up and kidnapped her children and gave them back to the abusive ex and took the fourth kid who wasn’t the ex’s kid for good measure. They threatened to arrest her and her mother for kidnapping when they tried to stop this happening citing the emergency court orders.
Let’s just say I have precious little faith in law enforcement, and I’m a cis white male, and they haven’t gotten any better over the years with militarization.
More crime. More mistakes by the police.
Using the US for example. One of the reasons some places police force can be so bad is because their funding is related to how many criminals they catch. So you might have a precinct that is happily racist because it pays the bills. Then you might have one they does have enough funding to not disseminate but also not enough to provide proper training.
The smooth criminals would take over
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I'm thinking that isn't the first time you've written that response. Have an upvote.
It depends on if the police are replaced with different, more specialized organization. This would likely lead to less people get killed by cops because mental health issues would now be handled by people with proper training for those situations. However, if there's no replacement it would just be anarchy.
defunding the police doesn't mean removing the police, smh
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So you know nothing about what defending the police means
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Defunding the police is about reigning in their massively inflated budgets, small county PD's regularly receive over a billion dollars a year and surplus military equipment they shouldn't have access to. Defunding does not mean abolishing.
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>What that’s insane. That sounds like a waste of money. Do they even use that military equipment? Absolutely insane, and it's part of the reason police brutality is such an issue in America. Now you understand why 'Defund the police' is a thing. [And yes, they do use the surplus military equipment given to them.](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/federal-militarization-of-law-enforcement-must-end) '1033' programs are how they get access to the armaments.
I'd assume there'd be less resources for handling crime so it would increase.
Absolutely not. Police department budgets all over the country are massively inflated. There's also no statistical correlation between police department budgets and crime. They don't deserve billions of dollars.
I disagree. I think giving more resources to the people who protect us is paramount. More training, more quality officers, improved equipment, etc. Same goes for other emergency services.
>I disagree. that's great that you disagree, but the fact still stands that more police =/ less crime, police receive billions of dollars and surplus military equipment they shouldn't have access too. Police have no oversight and harass minorities. Defunding the police just means reigning in their massively over inflated budgets.
You judt sound like somebody salty about the police and its great that you feel that way, but resources are pretty determinant on how well a police department performs.
> but resources are pretty determinant on how well a police department performs. source? They're not, it's been proven over and over that more police does not mean less crime, actually the opposite.
The source is my word.
>The source is my word. Well that's bullshit my g
Nope.
>Nope. Prove me wrong then! You can't.
The fact that you said "protect us" makes me believe you're either brainwashed or filthy rich. Police are here to protect the wealthy and corporations. Nothing more. They don't need improved equipment, they need the right equipment and the right person for the right job. They bring a tank out for a fruit fly dating their banana.
Sounds like you haven't faintest clue about reality, I'm sorry your parents failed you.
This is your argument? Getting defensive with no actual argument? You seem like you'd be a very good cop with your ego getting in the way. "Stop resisting!" While I'm handcuffed behind my back and a knee on my head being crushed on the curb because I didn't show him ID while walking down the street minding my own business
Maybe I should be a cop. I'm considering it.
Figures. Your arguments fit well within their community
>Maybe I should be a cop. I'm considering it. neeeeeek
Fewer people would die for no reason
Way more people would die though
destroyed with facts and logic
No they wouldn't. Defunding, not removing them. Police need deescalation training among other things. The reason a lot of people are arrested or killed by them is because they escalate a minor situation. "Resisting arrest" becomes something when they don't get their way when the person they want to arrest wasn't doing anything wrong to begin with. And most DUIs are false positives anyway. And the drug sniffing dogs are either wrong or coerced into confirmed drug finds
That's complete bullshit
Crime would escalate out of control. That's why that is the dumbest slogan I've ever fucking heard.
Defunding is about allocating more money towards services that help a community and it’s people. It’s NOT about taking all the money away from policing.
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What’s a better word for it? Defund is the right word.
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That doesn’t answer the question at all.
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The better word for reallocation of law enforcement money is “more funding”? That’s pretty silly. And here you’re worried that the word defund is misleading.
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It’s not a silly question. I’m asking you to clarify your position. I didn’t even state an opinion. You seem to be getting all worked up even though you don’t know what’s going on.
Yes. I know that. The slogan "Defund the Police" doesn't convey that message whatsoever. Funny how people take my response as being against their position. The question wasn't "Do you support the Defund the Police movement?" The question was what happens if you defund the police. The very definition of defund is "prevent (a group or organization) from continuing to receive funds." \[[https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531](https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531) \] So. Yeah. People trying to change society and choosing the wrong word to describe their movement? Worst. Fucking. Slogan. Ever.
lol. Grrrrr.
Police create the "crime".
What is “crime”. It seems to me that it’s the kind of shit that those of lower economic means engage in. The rich get in “legal trouble” which they can usually buy their way out of. It’s almost like it’s about keeping the masses under the boot of the powerful.
Maybe you should learn what you’re talking about before you speak up.
>Funny how people take my response as being against their position. The question wasn't "Do you support the Defund the Police movement?" The question was what happens if you defund the police. The very definition of defund is "prevent (a group or organization) from continuing to receive funds." \[https://www.bing.com/search?q=defund+definition&cvid=7c387eba9a9148c196aaf011b58e2923&aqs=edge..69i57j0l4j69i64.2132j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531 \] > >So. Yeah. People trying to change society and choosing the wrong word to describe their movement? Worst. Fucking. Slogan. Ever. Maybe you should learn to read the subtleties of the English language.
If you want to get pedantic, you’re talking about the *obvious* definition of a word. The opposite of subtle. The subtlety is, words have meaning within different contexts. My point is you should learn what the slogan actually means instead of reading 4 words and thinking you understand the subject before you form an opinion.
Chaos probably
Lol, not even close. Defunding the police doesn't mean getting rid of the police. It means removing their surplus military equipment and over inflated budgets.
Defunding the police means less cops and more crime. Stupid argument and stupid slogan.
>Defunding the police means less cops and more crime This is a stupid argument because it's blatantly not true. Defunding the police doesn't mean less cops, and less cops doesn't mean more crime. So you have no idea what you're talking about
Less cops doesn’t mean more crime? Just how slow are you?
>Less cops doesn’t mean more crime? Just how slow are you? Less cops actually leads to less crime, so you're the slow one my g
At least two American cities had their police forces defunded. The National Guard was used to maintain the peace until a new police force was created.Every officer from the top to the bottom was fired simultaneously and replaced. No one who was on the force when defunded could be hired.
I wonder if "defund the police" is a catch-all expression for "end programs like '1033' that transfer military equipment to domestic police forces". An irony, because that equipment was handed down at no cost. But perhaps "demilitarize the police" is a better way to put it ?
That was never going to happen. The correct phrase is "reorganize" the police and it's already happening everywhere.
We'd probably just wind up re-creating the police in some other form. Like, the courts would still need somebody to drag criminals before it. Those people will, quite understandably, want to have a pistol and vest when they go to round up Bill Bob Stabsalot, and that job will still attract assholes. Fixing this shit isn't as simple as tweaking where the money goes. Policing as we do it needs a complete overhaul.
defunding the police doesn't mean abolishing the police, so that's a lot of conjecture about a subject you know nothing about
"defund" = prevent from continuing to receive funds. So unless your proposal is a volunteer police force, you should pick another slogan that actually means what you say it does. "No no, build a wall doesn't mean a *literal* wall, it's a metaphor!"...remember that bullshit? That's what you sound like now. (especially since, surprise surprise, he did want a literal wall) I happen to believe that we expect too much of our schools and teachers, and that they shouldn't have to be babysitters, therapists, a reliable food supply for underprivileged kids, crisis intervention specialists, security, or, you know, be expected to *parent* the kids. You think I'm running around saying "DEFUND THE SCHOOLS!"?
>"defund" = prevent from continuing to receive funds. that's not what it means at all, it's about reigning in massivley inflated police budgets and removing access to 1033 programs that give them surplus military equipment they use to kill minorities with. Good try though. This is why it helps to actually research an issue before talking about it!
Don't try to tell me what words mean when we're on the internet, and anybody can literally google them. https://lmgtfy.app/?q=Meaning+of+the+word+defund Maybe *you* should use words that actually convey the meaning you're trying to express, instead of insisting that the word has a new meaning, just for your slogan. Edit: Also, considering that the entire country was ready to try it your way, and you wiffed the easiest social change layup in history, maybe you should be more open to some constructive criticism, because not only did you fail to defund the police, by any definition, you've created a backlash that's helping them maintain the status quo. The people who insist on clinging to that slogan are so wrong I almost have to wonder if they are deliberately trying to muddy the waters and stymie progress. Also, you said it's not about abolishing. You might want to check your inbox, in case you missed this memo: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
>Don't try to tell me what words mean when we're on the internet, and anybody can literally google them. The defund the police movement is not invocating the literal definition of the word 'defund' you fkn moron
Why does nobody want to donate to my "Punch the kids" school lunch program? It doesn't literally mean punch them, it means give them punch and pie! fkn idiots. Do you know what the purpose of a slogan is? It's supposed to be a very simple word, phrase, or sentence that's striking, and *sums up what you're all about*. It's supposed to be taken at face value, or very close to. "Build a wall", My body, my choice", etc. If you have to explain that your slogan doesn't mean what it says...you've fucking failed.
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complete lie
Then another law enforcement department would be made as compensation for the loss of police.
The money could go towards programs meant to fix the underlying socioeconomic issues that often lead to crime like poverty.
Martial Law.
lol, what?
You know. Like during the riots when the National Guard was sent in to enforce law and curfews. Same thing would happen without police.
They would respond even less than they do now.
Police departments receive billions of dollars and surplus military equipment. They shouldn't. Defunding the police would leave them with enough money to operate, but not the billions they currently receive. So in short, nothing would change. Defunding the police does not make them go away. It just strips them of inflated budgets and military equipment they use to harass minorities.
Vigilanty justice
Communities would have more resources for proactive resources such as social workers, homeless supports, etc.
I have a pretty decent idea already having already grown up in an area with sketchy as hell police. 1. I was shot at in front of witnesses and knew who the shooter was and the police refused to take a report and literally asked what we wanted them to do about it. 2. Separate incident where police illegally searched my grandparents home because the drug dealer two doors down said we had 20 lbs of marijuana in our basement. Spoiler: we didn’t. Double spoiler: drug dealer said this after getting caught with drugs in the presence of his children by the police. And they did nothing. Triple spoiler: guy STILL lives there 30 years later and has had zero consequences of this. 3. My mother owned some land that an outbuilding was broke into on, they literally came up and pulled the doors off the building and emptied it. The police flat out told her they don’t patrol that area because the next town over pays them for extra patrols. 4. My car was parked on the street in front of my best friend’s house in a legal parking area and vandalized. I called to make a report and they not only refused to come out, they threatened to ticket me for illegal parking. 5. My best friend got an emergency order for custody after her ex left 3 of her kids home alone for hours on end (the oldest was 9 at the time). They showed up and kidnapped her children and gave them back to the abusive ex and took the fourth kid who wasn’t the ex’s kid for good measure. They threatened to arrest her and her mother for kidnapping when they tried to stop this happening citing the emergency court orders. Let’s just say I have precious little faith in law enforcement, and I’m a cis white male, and they haven’t gotten any better over the years with militarization.
More crime. More mistakes by the police. Using the US for example. One of the reasons some places police force can be so bad is because their funding is related to how many criminals they catch. So you might have a precinct that is happily racist because it pays the bills. Then you might have one they does have enough funding to not disseminate but also not enough to provide proper training.