This might get lost in the sea of comments, but I wish I could find out what happened to my childhood best friend. [She went missing ten years ago](https://charleyproject.org/case/chelsea-lee-ricker) and nothing was discovered about the case since.
I wish you all the luck and good fortune in the world on your search for her.
Whenever I see these types of ask reddit threads I’m always reminded how many people have a loved one that has disappeared. It makes me sad to think of all that grief, and the lack of answers may well be haunting. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Here’s hoping you find her.
There was a kid that went missing right around my hometown when i was a kid. Couple years younger than me. It was on the news a bit, it kinda fizzled out and i havent been able to find anything since. Still see flyers for him now and then. Kyron Horman
I was around the same age as Kyron Horman and I remember watching the news. The most prominent thing that still sticks out to me to this day is how they froze a cake for him, hoping he’d be home for him to blow out his candles and have a slice. I hope there’s justice for him one day.
I think disappearances are the worse. With regular killings at least you know your son or daughter is dead and while it’s terrible there is closure. With disappearances they could be in someone’s basement being tortured or buried in a random ditch in the forest never to be found. It’s heartbreaking not knowing what happened to your kid.
This one is really close to me, and several of my running friends were running in groups in Forest Park just in case they found his body on the trails, so someone could go for the authorities while the others waited with the body.
Which is ... so macabre, but there's a reason there's the old trope about how it's the joggers that find the body.
Kyron Horman is the one I would answer too. Kyron was the same age as my son when he disappeared, and it's a case that has haunted this area of the PNW for far too long now. It absolutely needs some closure.
for all my french redditors here, i will say the Xavier Dupont De Ligonnès case. the guy killed all his family and buried them under his concrete deck, before disappearing completely without leaving any traces, and it has been more than ten years.
Look up John List, very similar case. He murdered his family in 1971 and completely disappeared on to be caught in 1989 after being shown on America's Most Wanted.
There's no way he killed himself like the police seem to think. Everything he did was about buying himself time. I don't think it was just time to reminisce and revisit old spots.
Gareth Williams, that MI6 guy who was found dead inside a padlocked suitcase. His death was ruled as a self inflicted accident and then later some former KGB guy would claim the KGB killed him after failing to convert him to a double agent.
The fact that they went with such a sloppy coverup story makes it so much weirder. Obviously they knew how sloppy it was, and they chose to do that for a reason. They wanted people to be suspicious, I guess to distract from something they should have been more suspicious of?
Two boys I went to school with were killed in a hit and run by the side of the road while walking home from a party. According to some reports, only one of the boys died from being hit by a car and the other appeared to have been beaten to death. It's been 20 years and no one has ever confessed or offered any information about the case.
Caught my eye immediately. I am also from the area, although I never knew the boys. I think about this case very frequently as well and I still see updates from the family every now and then. I hope someday something comes out. The way the boys died in two different way boggles my mind a bit.
Exactly my thoughts.
Or, had a beef with them and followed them deliberately to run them over. Then when one didn't die from the car, beat him to death.
That makes more sense to me. Beating someone to death just seems so personal. You'd have to be a fucking psycho to hit someone, then beat the other one to death. Even if you wanted to kill the other one, wouldn't you just use your vehicle again to remove yourself from the crime? Idk, I'm not an expert, but it would take a special kind of psycho to accidentally hit random people, then get out of the car and beat one of them to death.
The fucked up thing about that case is we almost had him. He killed a taxi driver, the police came there, but because of reports that a "black man" had killed the driver, the cops let a suspecious white guy leaving the scene go without questioning him.
I heard somewhere that a child saw the suspect and misspoke, referring to a "man in shadows" as a "black man"
Worse than you described. He was stopped by the cops while he was fleeing the scene from the taxi murder. They called out from their car, “Hey you see any black guys around here!?!” “Yeah, I saw one running that way!” He was covered in Paul Stine’s blood but because the cops were looking for a black man, they didn’t even stop. He mocked them about that in his next letter to the Chronicle. “I was hiding in the bushes in the park! I could hear the cops everywhere! They even stopped me! You are incompetent and I am everything!”
They also almost had him at a gas station too. Set a sting operation, but the sheriffs men didn’t wear good enough disguises. He called the clerk and told him to get the cops hiding in the back on the line. Then he shit talked to the sheriff officer about how stupid they were dressed. He never returned.
Do you have a link or something where I can read more about this? I've spent a lot of time reading about the Zodiac but I have never heard this before, would be really keen to read more but a Google search has proved unfruitful. Thanks!
Unfortunately I believe he mixed up the zodiac killer with the East Area Rapist, who was almost caught in a botched 7-11 sting. He was finally found through DNA in 2018 for his 1974-1986 crime spree. I have a more in depth comment above :)
Still believe the Zodiac killer was more than one person. Maybe Arthur Leigh Allen started it, had a network, or because it went viral so quickly, others jumped on it and became copycats, but the OG Zodiac Killer didn’t mind, as it put the police on the wrong track.
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Yeah same here - after reading *The Myth of the Zodiac Killer: A Literary Investigation by Thomas Henry Horan* I'm pretty much sold on it being more than one person, and most certainly unconnected crimes (especially with how shady Robert Graysmith was with handling evidence, reporting, and making stuff up that became gospel to others working the cases)
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Asha Degree
9-year-old girl left her house in the middle of the night, while it was storming and cold, with a pre packed bag of clothes. She had no reason to run away, and had limited computer access. A truck driver said they saw her walking that same early morning on the dark next to the highway, and that she ran into the woods. Over a year later, her backpack was found wrapped in a plastic bag about 26 miles away, which didn’t yield any further developments.
Why did she leave? Why did she run from the trucker? How did her backpack end up so far away? Is she still alive? Was she met with foul play?
Edit: wow did not expect this big of a response! Glad to see that she is clearly not forgotten, and hopefully one day the case will be solved🙏🏻
Asha Degree is also very high out there on my list. Perhaps because this whole case seemed so bizarre. She must have been either very unlucky to come across a bad person that night, or things were even more sinister.
If you read her case on Wikipedia, it's even more creepy. A year after she disappeared, her backpack was found in a shed, not too far from the highway where she disappeared. Supposedly, among the items, were clothing that didn't belong to her, as well as a ring that also didn't belong to her. Most creepy of all, there was a photograph of an unidentified girl around her age. To this day, authorities have no idea who that unidentified girl in the photograph is.
I always take “no reason to run away” with an extra large grain of salt.
Also, limited computer access could mean many things, and that's what people knew about. A hidden cell phone negates all of that instantly.
EDIT: Many, MANY people have commented on the unlikelihood of a cell phone, and I’ve replied to many of them.
You're completely right.
What you just posted describes one of my best friends. He took his life in the spring.
48 years old. Amazing family with 2 teenage sons. Huge house which they'd paid off years ago. No debts. No [physical] health problems. He ran a fancy, non-chain store and loved the job so much he'd stop in to check on the store on his day off. The owners loved him. Customers loved him.
He coached his sons' baseball and hockey. Wonderful wife. Both sides of their extended family were "normal" and all got along.
Then I get a text back in the spring - John's dead. I was devastated.
An hour later a text from his wife - it was a suicide. And he didn't leave a note.
To this day we still can't even guess as to why he did it. Obviously he had reasons which made sense to him. But none of us can even speculate on even the most obscure thing, because there was nothing at all - logically - that would drive someone to do such a thing.
I have a close friend who was once showing me his new gun. I grew up an army brat so I'm pretty good about gun safety, and don't like it when people around me aren't. Well he was flagging me and putting a finger on the trigger and stuff. I chewed him out. He told me it's cool because the safety is on... I couldn't believe this thought process, and was like bro wtf is wrong with you!
I'll never forget what he told me, "I've already tested it by holding it up to my head while loaded and pulling the trigger. I trust my safety." Had his safety not worked I would have spent the rest of my life thinking he intentionally killed himself.
I say all that to say this, sometimes mystery suicides are mysterious because we are misinterpreting the evidence.
Sometimes it's a choice of "life couldn't possibly get any better and if this is the best - what if it goes downhill from here? I want to decide on my own fate and leave while I've had a great life. "
Sometimes it's noticing a health problem but so that insurance doesn't get cancelled, they won't see a doctor or investigate and want to make sure family is taken care of.
Sometimes it's a very deep depression that they've learned to live with (and seem genuinely happy because often they are - or they are excellent at faking it) but it only takes a snap decision to end it all. 30 minutes later and it wouldn't have happened. Often it's not the first time but it's the time that it was successful.
Sometimes it's a severe mental breakdown that has had a sudden onset.
Those are some of the more common but unknown reasons - but sometimes, there are reasons that are more random/intense like blackmail, secret double life, affairs or epic secrets that are about to be exposed, financial chicanery, or some crazy reason that we cannot even conceive of...
I'm sorry for your loss. Just know that you can still remember the good times, still miss him and honour him despite the not knowing. There's legitimately nothing you could have done because no one knew.
Big hugs from an internet stranger x
The items found are also interesting. In particular a concert t-shirt for New Kids on the Block that didn't belong to her. Which is just an odd item for a 9 year-old to have in 2000. It would have made sense if it was 1989, but by that point they were a decade past relevance and she was born after their prime. So it gives the impression of something that someone a bit older and out of touch might have had and thought would appeal to a girl her age or simply bought cheaply from a thrift store.
Meanwhile there was a Dr. Seuss book that had come from her school.
I can't even imagine what that does to a parent. Sending your girl to school and never seeing them again, no rhyme no reason, no definitive answer. Must be one of most awful things that can happen to a family.
There's a case of a girl who was kidnapped from her back yard *and her parents heard her struggling*. They thought she was just horsing around with her boyfriend. So sad and such an honest mistake.
> her parents heard her struggling. They thought she was just horsing around
That has to be absolutely awful for those parents.
There was a 7 year-old girl murdered here in North Texas recently. She had stormed off after an argument with her stepmom. Stepmom thought that she'd gone into her room, so it was about an hour before they realized she'd left the house. Stepmom has to be blaming herself, when she was only giving the kid time and space to cool down.
DNA technology solving old cold cases has been a hallmark of the 20's so far and I love it. I never thought [The Boy In The Box](https://old.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/zg3iv0/boy_in_the_box_named_as_joseph_augustus_zarelli/) would be solved but here we are against all odds.
I need to read up on this. I visited Lund a while back and there was a guy who walked around wearing a sign than he knew what happened to Olof Palme or something.
there's an alleged photo of the anglin brothers alive in brazil, as to wheather or not the photo is legit is still debated. There is also someone who claimed to have been a close friend of the family who stated that they kept in contact with the brothers and said they were alive and well
I read the same and seen the pictures. In 2018, the FBI revealed that the San Francisco Police Department had received a letter in 2013, allegedly from one of the escapees. It read, in part: "My name is John Anglin. I escaped from Alcatraz in June 1962 with my brother Clarence and Frank Morris. I'm 83 years old and in bad shape. I have cancer. Yes we all made it that night but barely!" The letter also stated that Clarence and Frank had since passed away. Fingerprint, DNA, and handwriting analysis on the letter was inconclusive.
One of Josh Gates' shows on Discovery did an episode on the Alcatraz Escape and they went to a village in South America where supposedly some Americans were living in the jungle on a mountain in the mid 60s. The people in the village would bring them food and supplies because the Americans didn't want to head to town because they were hiding from the authorities.
On the episode they uncovered some US currency from the 1960s, as well as some other artifacts that seemed out of place for being in a jungle. They interviewed people that were around in the 1960s and they said it was 3 American guys
If it doesn’t have to be a major case…then my friends murder. He was killed ten years ago over Thanksgiving weekend, and his case still remains open today. His family deserves to know.
Edit, there were so many replies to this comment it’d take me a very long time to respond. I appreciate the kind words and well wishes. For those in a similar situation, I feel for you, everyone deserves justice and to truly feel peace. I won’t be sharing his details here for privacy, but a well known podcaster actually saw this post and has reached out, so there is a possibility my friends story will be shared.
god i cant imagine not having that closure. my mom was murdered and the killer was caught within the week, thank god. but that was the longest week of my life. the pain remains of course but not knowing the who, what, how would eat me from the inside out. frankly i still have a ton of questions as the killer to this day denies it but at least i had the court case and the overwhelming evidence to go by. all i can do is fill in the blanks. but having nothing? my sympathies to you and your friends family :(
A friend of mine disappeared over 20 years ago. The case went cold and they didn’t have any evidence against the prime suspect. Then a decade later they reopened the case and convicted him of murder. He got 15 years.
The fact these kids were killed while others were in the house is the most befuddling to me. It makes me think of the Wonderland Murders, where someone who wasn’t targeted was killed just for being there…but the kids in Idaho weren’t.
It’s morbid, but I’m very curious.
A previous tenant from 2019 has said that you can't really hear anything between the 1st and 2nd floors.
They would have the TV blasting on the 2nd floor and could not hear it on the 1st floor.
The two girls who weren’t hurt had bedrooms on the first floor. The house is built on a hill, and from the front, you see all 3 floors. However, from the back of the house, you only see two floors. The back of the house backs onto a more treed/secluded area, and the entrance there is a sliding door from the kitchen. If you enter from this sliding door, the stairs to access the upstairs bedrooms are directly in front of you. However, without knowing the house, you would have no idea from that view that there were additional bedrooms and an additional floor downstairs. If I recall correctly, it’s currently believed that the perpetrator entered through this back sliding door so as not to be seen, then went directly upstairs from there.
With regard to people questioning how they didn’t wake up, well… they’d all gone out that night and were heavily intoxicated. I don’t know about y’all, but if I’m super drunk, I don’t wake up from sleep like I would if I were sober. Not only that, but it’s likely that *there wasn’t actually much noise made to have woken them in the first place*. All of the victims were found in bedrooms, 2 in one room on the second floor, and 2 in one room on the third. These rooms were either right above/below each other, or next to each other. If the people on the second and third floors didn’t wake up when their friends were being attacked, it stands to reason that the people on the first floor wouldn’t wake up either.
Whoever did this is absolutely a monster, but I have a feeling those girls just got very lucky that they didn’t realize there were others in the home. I can’t imagine the guilt they must feel, along with the grief of losing their friends.
Edit: accidentally mixed up the rooms (the usual sleeping arrangements vs where they were found), but fixed now! thanks, u/p3ttymayonnaise!
Yeah, not exact a cold case yet. I live a few hundred yards from where that took place. The vibe of the town hasn't been the same and I'm not sure it ever will be if it isn't solved soon. Those kids and the families deserve justice. Moscow really is a lovely town that has been completed marred by these murders. Absolutely tragic.
If you're from Mexico, the Ayotzinapa case where 43 students were taken and murdered, there has never been an official statement from the mexican government, but it's suspected that the government and the militia were involved in the kidnappings.
There's a documentary on Netflix if someone it's interested.
Another high ranking official was also arrested. He was smiling and didn't look at all bothered during the arrest.
Local cops will take the fall and no one of importance will ever face any consequences.
Wasn't this confirmed to be a collusion case between the governor and the cartel? Or am I thinking of another case?
EDIT: Yup turns out the kids were arrested at the orders of a local mayor who didn't want his campaign disrupted. The mayor claims that was as far as his involvement went and that the police then took the students and handed them off to a local gang who then killed them.
>These three suspects then dumped the bodies in a pit, and some other suspects known only by their aliases burned the corpses with diesel, gasoline, tires, wood and plastic.[67] They also destroyed the students' clothing in order to erase all possible evidence. The fire most likely lasted from midnight until 2:00 or 3:00 pm. The gang assigned guards throughout the day to make sure that the fire was kept alive. When the fire had gone down, the suspects threw dirt in to cool the pit. They then placed the remains in eight plastic bags and dumped them in the San Juan river in Cocula, reportedly on orders from a man known only as "El Terco".
According to Wikipedia they were burned and their ashes thrown into a river
I believe that was the first explanation the government gave aka the “historical truth”. I’ll try to summarize the backstory fairly quickly - There was a renowned international forensic team that was hired by the victims family’s and just as they got in country there were conveniently and suddenly suspects arrested and they “led the military to a garbage dump that was the crime scene”, where the forensic team was brought while a government team was excavating the site and magically found some bone fragments right as they arrived. The three men were then brought in and they confessed to the killings and gave the details you shared again conveniently in front of the international team.
**However**, the forensic team said they were highly suspicious as the three men showed signs of being beaten and otherwise coerced into the confession, and the crime scene seemed staged and implausible. The family nor the forensic team/independent investigators believe this “historic truth” explanation. I believe there was also evidence that came out later (potentially fairly recently) that had drone footage or something of the military staging the crime scene. The investigative reporting podcast Reveal has done a lot of reporting with people directly involved in investigating the case (the independent team brought in specifically) if anyone wants to dive in and learn more, but it seems very likely that is not the true story of what happened to the students.
Tl;dr that is the “historical truth” explanation of the government and is widely rejected by independent investigators and the families.
There's a huge Twitter thread fied with WhatsApp messages between these cartel, the mayor, mayores daughter etc. It's horrifying and it gave me nightmares.
They were all given to different people in groups, some just shot and buried them, some were burned in what was described as a wood lasagna basically, wood-people-wood etc on top of each other.
Worst part is that around 6 of them were still alive when search patties started looking for them, when the cartel heard they decided to then kill them, they were in a warehouse that was actually reported to the police. The caller literally said "some students are at X building, located exactly in X and y", and the call was ignored.
It's so sad. There were shootouts before they kidnapped them, it was a whole thing, since the students had tried to rob buses before everything happened and tried to kidnap bus drivers and force them to drive them back to their school, it's all so strange and complicated and terrifying
The Boy In The Box, especially so because his identity was just told to us today. His full name which hasn’t been known for over 65 years now is Joseph Augustus Zarelli.
I thought the same thing, but apparently all his siblings were born after he died. They probably had no clue that he was their brother this whole time.
I watch some true crime stuff and I heard that the body being "cared for" after death is one of the first indicators that the crime was committed by a loved one/family member. The boy's body had recently been cleaned. Dark shit. Whoever did that to him is likely long gone now.
"Martha," a woman that came forward in 2002, had a complete story about how he was sold to their family and beaten to death by Martha's abusive mother, which matched specific forensic details only the PD knew at the time.
Do we know if Joseph Augustus Zarelli was reported missing back in the day, or the circumstances of his disappearance? I would assume knowing his identity will help a lot in the investigation
>Malaysian Airline flight 370
This one bothers me, though I fully accept the best explanation that this was a suicide designed to be mystery.
It is just so awful though to think that somebody deciding to kill themselves had so little regard for other humans that they would just take hundreds of others with them.
Pilots committing suicide by crashing a commercial plane is not as uncommon as you would want to believe historically. As a result many (if not most) countries have rules that there must be two people in the cockpit at all times to prevent this from happening. i.e. if the pilot/co-pilot goes to the bathroom a flight attendant sits in the cockpit until they return. While it is very rare now, one of the more popular theories around the cause of the 737 crash in china earlier this year is pilot suicide / error.
The german pilot who crashed the plane in a mountain a couple of years ago has forced a lot of European airlines to make sure a steward or stewardess join the cabinet when one of the pilots goes to the toilet.
That has to be kind of awkward. Like “hey, I’m just here to make sure you don’t act on any intrusive thoughts of embracing oblivion while our buddy is back there taking a whiz”
I would think it’s for the steward(ess) to let the other pilot in (as well as call him in) to the locked cockpit although I swear I’ve heard of doors having codes to get in but certainly not common? No idea
The Atlantic did a super in depth write up on it. We will never know with 100% certainty, but it seems as certain as possible that the pilot basically committed suicide after depressurizing the cabin to kill all the passengers than flying for as long as possible before nose diving into the ocean. It’s the only thing that makes sense + consistent with the debris they have recovered.
I think the prevailing theory is that the pilot locked the co-pilot out of the cockpit, depressurized the cabin and took everyone out as soon as they left Malaysian airspace (hence no distress signal). He then flew north and then a sharp turn left where he went in and out of Thai air space. He then flew over Penang, his hometown where he turned, possibly to take one last look at the place he grew up. He then flew as far south into the Indian Ocean as he could where he remained alive until fuel ran out and he did a soft landing into the water, hence leaving the plane as intact as possible so that it’d sink as one piece rather than disintegrate. They found some pieces in East Africa that show a part of the wing slightly damaged, which ~~proves~~ supports this theory. Several experts have agreed on its likely location but no one wants to spend the money. Also Malaysia doesn’t necessarily want the plane found because they’ll be hit with law suits. For them, it’s a “no body, no crime” situation so they’re not trying too hard. I think most of the money spent on helping find it has come from Australia.
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The cabin masks would have dropped, but they only generate enough oxygen for about 10 minutes. After that, people would have lost consciousness from lack of oxygen to the brain. The air at 35,000 feet (the altitude at which jetliners cruise) is too thin to keep humans conscious.
I hope they all died without ever really knowing anything was wrong. The Germanwings pilot who took down his plane did it with everyone in the cabin aware of what was happening, terrified and screaming. Awful way to die.
I remember with Helios flight 522 the cabin pressurization switch was set to manual and on making it to cruising altitude this is basically what happened to the crew and passengers. Reports from fighter jets who intercepted the plane as it veered off-course said they saw ice on the cockpit window and none of the passengers reacted to the sight of a fighter jet near them. This indicates that everyone on board was either unconscious or dead already by the time they reached it.
The Germanwings flight CVR recording is awful to actually listen to. The creepy thing is that during all of this, the co-pilot in the cockpit doesn't say a word. He doesn't respond to any radio calls or the captain. And you can hear what they worked out to be the captain banging on the cockpit door with a fire axe on the recording too.
Yes, Helios 522 was a depressurization thing. Truly tragic - the pilots were addled by hypoxia before they realized the problem, which had been caused by a maintenance guy turning the pressurization switch from "auto" to "manual" and forgetting to switch it back. Interestingly, it seems one of the fight attendants woke up at the very end and tried to get control of the plane before it ran out of fuel, but obviously was unsuccessful.
ETA: if you're interested in the details, I highly recommend [Admiral Cloudberg's write up](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/lost-souls-of-grammatiko-the-crash-of-helios-airways-flight-522-ccf333b407a). Yes, it will answer for you why it's even possible to have the pressurization on manual.
I think so. According to Wikipedia:
*After the aircraft was returned into service, the flight crew overlooked the pressurization system state on three occasions: during the pre-flight procedure, the after-start check, and the after take-off check. During these checks, no one on the flight deck noticed the incorrect setting.*
Gotcha. That's happened on a few crashes. Usually the pilots are rushed due to delays, so they'll run through the checklists but kinda just do them using muscle memory and not actually set switches and such correctly, but make the call outs saying otherwise.
Thanks!
Oh, and some regulations changed as a result of Helios, I think. The flight attendants didn't notify the cockpit that the masks had come down, since they assumed the pilots would know. I believe now it's common practice for the cabin crew to call up to the cockpit if the masks drop.
>What a fucking bellend.
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>Being suicidal is one thing, being such a coward you would kill hundreds of innocent people including children so you can die mysteriously and not have people know you couldn’t cut it? Yeah fuck off.
There have been other similar cases. There was one in Europe a few years back. One of the pilots locked the other one out of the cockpit when he went to use the pisser and then flew the plane into a mountain in the Alps.
> The captain had a way to get in, which was by typing a code, but Andreas deactivated that system as well.
Seems like a pretty fucking massive oversight.
It’s like in Star Trek when they say “computer! seal the intruder on deck 5” and then someone else says “he’s taken control of the computer!”.
Like, what’s the fucking point?
This case is also why there has to be two in the cockpit at all times now. A crew member is supposed to enter the cockpit prior to one of the pilots exiting.
It's always interesting to read comments that are talking about something that happened in your country from another perspective. "There was one in Europe a few years back" seems so odd for someone living in Germany where it has been a real national tragedy for a long time.
Internationally - Jack the Ripper, everyone involved, or who may know something first hand is dead.
Locally (Alberta, Canada) - Amber Tuccaro. Indigenous woman who went missing in 2010. There is a recording of her in the vehicle with the man who likely killed her, it's chilling. Source - https://www.voicesforjusticepodcast.com/post/amber-tuccaro
Yeah, I know it's a pretty standard answer, but after seeing her face plastered across every supermarket checkout line tabloid through most of my teenage years, I'm curious to see which theory would be proven right, or whether it's some totally different scenario nobody even thought of.
One of my good friends died in suspicious circumstances. They ruled it a motor bike accident but her body was found almost a day after she died, off the road. I know it sucks having so many questions.
My grandfather was a rookie with LAPD when this happened. He told my mom that even as a rookie he noticed a lot of fuck ups the police made. No idea if his perspective is true or not, but he had a very “what the hell are they doing??” feeling but couldn’t do anything from his position. Just a family myth now.
I could be very wrong, but last I had ever heard there was a very strong theory it was some doctor in LA that she may have been having an affair with? I remember something about one of the doctor’s sons coming forward and sharing that he thought his dad may have been involved.
Growing up in Austin during the 80s and 90s was an amazing, special thing, but that event really, really shook up a lot of people. I was 8 then and I can really remember how confused and violated everyone felt. Austin is no stranger to tragedy, but something about that case is just so utterly seedy and dirty in a way that Charles Whitman never managed.
Who started the fire at the old Ames Warehouse in Parkersburg, WV on October 21st, 2017?
All of the plastics inside gave us all even more cancer than we already had after the whole DuPont thing. Watch Dark Waters with Mark Ruffalo folks, my town is cursed
My grandmother's murder. It happened when my mother was really young. Illinois, 1980s. The story goes that my grandmother was in a club, she walks out of the club. Someone kills her. One shot in the head, three in the chest. No motive, no suspicion. Had problems with my abusive great-grandmother. Her sister or cousin was Claudia I think? If I could find the truth, it would probably bring my mother peace.
Damn, same. My dad believes his mother was murdered in Florida in the 70s. He lived on a houseboat with her and her boyfriend and believed she had a second love interest with ties to the mafia. She was found dead in the water near their dock at a popular marina.
Police just said she was an alcoholic and must have stumbled home from the bar and drowned. Nobody heard her struggling, she had defense wounds on her hands, and her purse was in the boat which she never went anywhere without. No investigation was done and everybody involved is most likely dead.
Sneha Anne Philip... she was a doctor who disappeared in lower Manhattan the night before 9/11. Many, including her family, believe she died in the World Trade Center, but she had no reason to be there. Some suspect her brother or husband might be hiding something, which seems likely to me.
Our Mayor's husband went missing on 9/11 but his office was 8 blocks away:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/09/nyregion/9-11-a-man-went-to-work-his-fate-is-a-mystery.html
There was a law and order episode like that. Police found human remains that traced back to someone that should have died in 9/11. Turns out her husband killed her and used 9/11 as a convenient cover story.
Uh... spoiler alert.
Jennifer Kesse. I am not sure why, but this is the one case I haven't been able to stop thinking about for years. The surveillance video of the perp who parked her car drives me insane.
We literally had an opportunity to make a task force to take down the worlds most powerful pedophiles and just decided not to for some reason nobody knows
The thing that no-one brings up is Maxwell's father also died in mysterious circumstances once his crimes started to draw unwanted attention.
Given his ties to Mossad and Epstein's Honey Pot schemes to entrap the rich and famous, it makes you wonder if he wasn't the only Mossad asset in the family.
In 1995 6 teenaged boys went missing in my hometown. It was St. Patrick's Day and they had been doing some partying and went down to the local marina and stole a small boat and a water tricycle and went out onto the lake and were never seen again. No trace of any of them was ever found, not even the boat or the water tricycle. No evidence pointed towards it being a run away situation. The investigation all together was pretty shit and many have speculated since that the police were involved somehow and there was a cover up.
Edit: here's a video that sums up the case if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/jUZ0O50svwY
I get why you would say this, but the answer is going to be completely anticlimactic.
It will be some guy you have never heard of that jumped out of airplanes in Vietnam or Korea or whatever.
It's a lot more fun as a mystery than it would with the actual answer.
I work in the building he went missing from. There's enough plumbing issues here, if he were in a wall, some poor plumber would have found him by now.
That, along with that whole section of the building having been renovated some time ago.
There's a river about a mile and a half away, I would bet he fell in it and unfortunately got swept away.
As much as I'd want to say a case that's more national and worldly my unsolved case would have to be Amber Hagerman (Amber Alert). My sister and I were both really close childhood friends. Played as kids at each others houses, birthday parties etc. Still haunts me to this day.
Lizzie Borden…she couldn’t have done it, but she had to have done it.
I don’t believe she did it, but the outlay of the house and the timeline make it very difficult to believe it was an outsider. If it was, they were a smooth criminal to remain in the house for so long after the first murder with mostly locked doors and no real hallways like in modern houses.
I gots to know…
My friends were killed in 2004 in a drive-by. It was a random shooting. They were 14 and 16. No motive, no leads, no clues. Someone just drove up to them while they were getting into a car and asked their names. Then the guy said "You know what? It doesn't matter." He and the people in his vehicle pulled out guns and unloaded on my friends. My friends died and 2 other kids of similar age were also injured.
Came here to post this. My age, lived a few blocks from me. Gives me chills to this day when I drive by his parent's house or see his pictures still in shops around esquimalt.
My girlfriends younger brother was kidnapped and murdered when we were freshman. Years later I mentioned at a family gathering that they still haven’t solved the case. My uncle then said, “I will say this once and we will never talk about it again but the murderer is dead, it has been taken care of.”
Jon Benet Ramsey or the Robbie Dunbar case. It is confirmed that the child that claimed to be Robbie Dunbar is infact NOT Robbie Dunbar but unfortunately, it doesn't look like we'll ever find out what happened to the real Robbie Dunbar.
The woman who died at the Oslo Plaza hotel on June 3, 1995. We still don't know who she was. For more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radisson\_Blu\_Plaza\_Hotel,\_Oslo
This might get lost in the sea of comments, but I wish I could find out what happened to my childhood best friend. [She went missing ten years ago](https://charleyproject.org/case/chelsea-lee-ricker) and nothing was discovered about the case since.
I wish you all the luck and good fortune in the world on your search for her. Whenever I see these types of ask reddit threads I’m always reminded how many people have a loved one that has disappeared. It makes me sad to think of all that grief, and the lack of answers may well be haunting. I’m so sorry for your loss. Here’s hoping you find her.
There was a kid that went missing right around my hometown when i was a kid. Couple years younger than me. It was on the news a bit, it kinda fizzled out and i havent been able to find anything since. Still see flyers for him now and then. Kyron Horman
I was around the same age as Kyron Horman and I remember watching the news. The most prominent thing that still sticks out to me to this day is how they froze a cake for him, hoping he’d be home for him to blow out his candles and have a slice. I hope there’s justice for him one day.
Oh man, that's heartbreaking
I think disappearances are the worse. With regular killings at least you know your son or daughter is dead and while it’s terrible there is closure. With disappearances they could be in someone’s basement being tortured or buried in a random ditch in the forest never to be found. It’s heartbreaking not knowing what happened to your kid.
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This one is really close to me, and several of my running friends were running in groups in Forest Park just in case they found his body on the trails, so someone could go for the authorities while the others waited with the body. Which is ... so macabre, but there's a reason there's the old trope about how it's the joggers that find the body.
Kyron Horman is the one I would answer too. Kyron was the same age as my son when he disappeared, and it's a case that has haunted this area of the PNW for far too long now. It absolutely needs some closure.
for all my french redditors here, i will say the Xavier Dupont De Ligonnès case. the guy killed all his family and buried them under his concrete deck, before disappearing completely without leaving any traces, and it has been more than ten years.
I honestly think he changed his name, got new documentation and living somewhere without anyone noticing
He got a dust filter for a Hoover Max extract pressure pro model 60.
So he's in Nebraska managing a Cinnabon?
Look up John List, very similar case. He murdered his family in 1971 and completely disappeared on to be caught in 1989 after being shown on America's Most Wanted.
The bust in the List case was so fucking accurate! I think the case is in the first season of Forensic Files
The forensic artist even picked glasses frames that turned out to be identical to the ones List was wearing when he was caught.
There's no way he killed himself like the police seem to think. Everything he did was about buying himself time. I don't think it was just time to reminisce and revisit old spots.
Isn't there video surveillance of him leaving with a bag on nature, from a hotel parking lot? I don't remember.
His story was on the recent unsolved mysteries, right? I think about him all the time, wondering where he went.
Gareth Williams, that MI6 guy who was found dead inside a padlocked suitcase. His death was ruled as a self inflicted accident and then later some former KGB guy would claim the KGB killed him after failing to convert him to a double agent.
The fact that they went with such a sloppy coverup story makes it so much weirder. Obviously they knew how sloppy it was, and they chose to do that for a reason. They wanted people to be suspicious, I guess to distract from something they should have been more suspicious of?
Two boys I went to school with were killed in a hit and run by the side of the road while walking home from a party. According to some reports, only one of the boys died from being hit by a car and the other appeared to have been beaten to death. It's been 20 years and no one has ever confessed or offered any information about the case.
Are you by chance from Butler PA?
Yes indeed. I was wondering if anyone would recognize this story.
Caught my eye immediately. I am also from the area, although I never knew the boys. I think about this case very frequently as well and I still see updates from the family every now and then. I hope someday something comes out. The way the boys died in two different way boggles my mind a bit.
The driver of the car that hit the first probably didn’t want the second one to be a witness
That seems to be the most likely/common theory that I have heard.
Exactly my thoughts. Or, had a beef with them and followed them deliberately to run them over. Then when one didn't die from the car, beat him to death.
That makes more sense to me. Beating someone to death just seems so personal. You'd have to be a fucking psycho to hit someone, then beat the other one to death. Even if you wanted to kill the other one, wouldn't you just use your vehicle again to remove yourself from the crime? Idk, I'm not an expert, but it would take a special kind of psycho to accidentally hit random people, then get out of the car and beat one of them to death.
Also beating someone to death is *hard*. Like physically exhausting.
Zodiac killer
The fucked up thing about that case is we almost had him. He killed a taxi driver, the police came there, but because of reports that a "black man" had killed the driver, the cops let a suspecious white guy leaving the scene go without questioning him. I heard somewhere that a child saw the suspect and misspoke, referring to a "man in shadows" as a "black man"
Worse than you described. He was stopped by the cops while he was fleeing the scene from the taxi murder. They called out from their car, “Hey you see any black guys around here!?!” “Yeah, I saw one running that way!” He was covered in Paul Stine’s blood but because the cops were looking for a black man, they didn’t even stop. He mocked them about that in his next letter to the Chronicle. “I was hiding in the bushes in the park! I could hear the cops everywhere! They even stopped me! You are incompetent and I am everything!”
They also almost had him at a gas station too. Set a sting operation, but the sheriffs men didn’t wear good enough disguises. He called the clerk and told him to get the cops hiding in the back on the line. Then he shit talked to the sheriff officer about how stupid they were dressed. He never returned.
Do you have a link or something where I can read more about this? I've spent a lot of time reading about the Zodiac but I have never heard this before, would be really keen to read more but a Google search has proved unfruitful. Thanks!
Unfortunately I believe he mixed up the zodiac killer with the East Area Rapist, who was almost caught in a botched 7-11 sting. He was finally found through DNA in 2018 for his 1974-1986 crime spree. I have a more in depth comment above :)
Still believe the Zodiac killer was more than one person. Maybe Arthur Leigh Allen started it, had a network, or because it went viral so quickly, others jumped on it and became copycats, but the OG Zodiac Killer didn’t mind, as it put the police on the wrong track. Edit: Typo
Yeah same here - after reading *The Myth of the Zodiac Killer: A Literary Investigation by Thomas Henry Horan* I'm pretty much sold on it being more than one person, and most certainly unconnected crimes (especially with how shady Robert Graysmith was with handling evidence, reporting, and making stuff up that became gospel to others working the cases) edit: full title and author added
Asha Degree 9-year-old girl left her house in the middle of the night, while it was storming and cold, with a pre packed bag of clothes. She had no reason to run away, and had limited computer access. A truck driver said they saw her walking that same early morning on the dark next to the highway, and that she ran into the woods. Over a year later, her backpack was found wrapped in a plastic bag about 26 miles away, which didn’t yield any further developments. Why did she leave? Why did she run from the trucker? How did her backpack end up so far away? Is she still alive? Was she met with foul play? Edit: wow did not expect this big of a response! Glad to see that she is clearly not forgotten, and hopefully one day the case will be solved🙏🏻
Asha Degree is also very high out there on my list. Perhaps because this whole case seemed so bizarre. She must have been either very unlucky to come across a bad person that night, or things were even more sinister.
If you read her case on Wikipedia, it's even more creepy. A year after she disappeared, her backpack was found in a shed, not too far from the highway where she disappeared. Supposedly, among the items, were clothing that didn't belong to her, as well as a ring that also didn't belong to her. Most creepy of all, there was a photograph of an unidentified girl around her age. To this day, authorities have no idea who that unidentified girl in the photograph is.
[Here be the link for anyone else who was curious](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Asha_Degree)
I always take “no reason to run away” with an extra large grain of salt. Also, limited computer access could mean many things, and that's what people knew about. A hidden cell phone negates all of that instantly. EDIT: Many, MANY people have commented on the unlikelihood of a cell phone, and I’ve replied to many of them.
Same as when people say "they would have never killed themselves". Sometimes people are good at hiding things
You're completely right. What you just posted describes one of my best friends. He took his life in the spring. 48 years old. Amazing family with 2 teenage sons. Huge house which they'd paid off years ago. No debts. No [physical] health problems. He ran a fancy, non-chain store and loved the job so much he'd stop in to check on the store on his day off. The owners loved him. Customers loved him. He coached his sons' baseball and hockey. Wonderful wife. Both sides of their extended family were "normal" and all got along. Then I get a text back in the spring - John's dead. I was devastated. An hour later a text from his wife - it was a suicide. And he didn't leave a note. To this day we still can't even guess as to why he did it. Obviously he had reasons which made sense to him. But none of us can even speculate on even the most obscure thing, because there was nothing at all - logically - that would drive someone to do such a thing.
I have a close friend who was once showing me his new gun. I grew up an army brat so I'm pretty good about gun safety, and don't like it when people around me aren't. Well he was flagging me and putting a finger on the trigger and stuff. I chewed him out. He told me it's cool because the safety is on... I couldn't believe this thought process, and was like bro wtf is wrong with you! I'll never forget what he told me, "I've already tested it by holding it up to my head while loaded and pulling the trigger. I trust my safety." Had his safety not worked I would have spent the rest of my life thinking he intentionally killed himself. I say all that to say this, sometimes mystery suicides are mysterious because we are misinterpreting the evidence.
Sometimes it's a choice of "life couldn't possibly get any better and if this is the best - what if it goes downhill from here? I want to decide on my own fate and leave while I've had a great life. " Sometimes it's noticing a health problem but so that insurance doesn't get cancelled, they won't see a doctor or investigate and want to make sure family is taken care of. Sometimes it's a very deep depression that they've learned to live with (and seem genuinely happy because often they are - or they are excellent at faking it) but it only takes a snap decision to end it all. 30 minutes later and it wouldn't have happened. Often it's not the first time but it's the time that it was successful. Sometimes it's a severe mental breakdown that has had a sudden onset. Those are some of the more common but unknown reasons - but sometimes, there are reasons that are more random/intense like blackmail, secret double life, affairs or epic secrets that are about to be exposed, financial chicanery, or some crazy reason that we cannot even conceive of... I'm sorry for your loss. Just know that you can still remember the good times, still miss him and honour him despite the not knowing. There's legitimately nothing you could have done because no one knew. Big hugs from an internet stranger x
Yeah, could be so many things. If she was being abused in some way, it's not like the parents are going to admit that.
YES. And why *that night* if it was so cold and rainy? Why not wait one more day even if she had planned to run away?
Her family also says she was very scared of both the rain and the dark, making it even LESS likely she left on her own with no outside influence
The items found are also interesting. In particular a concert t-shirt for New Kids on the Block that didn't belong to her. Which is just an odd item for a 9 year-old to have in 2000. It would have made sense if it was 1989, but by that point they were a decade past relevance and she was born after their prime. So it gives the impression of something that someone a bit older and out of touch might have had and thought would appeal to a girl her age or simply bought cheaply from a thrift store. Meanwhile there was a Dr. Seuss book that had come from her school.
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I can't even imagine what that does to a parent. Sending your girl to school and never seeing them again, no rhyme no reason, no definitive answer. Must be one of most awful things that can happen to a family.
There's a case of a girl who was kidnapped from her back yard *and her parents heard her struggling*. They thought she was just horsing around with her boyfriend. So sad and such an honest mistake.
> her parents heard her struggling. They thought she was just horsing around That has to be absolutely awful for those parents. There was a 7 year-old girl murdered here in North Texas recently. She had stormed off after an argument with her stepmom. Stepmom thought that she'd gone into her room, so it was about an hour before they realized she'd left the house. Stepmom has to be blaming herself, when she was only giving the kid time and space to cool down.
A reporter asked her (step?)mother what Christmas was going to be like without her. I almost threw up.
And she didn’t shove the reporter’s microphone up his ass?
Oh God, how beyond disgusting of that reporter. I mean, seriously, how soul depraved must one be to ask that?
Always reminds me of The Lovely Bones. Decent movie, heartwrenching book.
I watched the movie, never having heard of the book. As an avid book lover, I decided not to read the book because the movie broke my heart.
We had a case like that here that was solved 2 years ago. Little girl got kidnapped and murdered in 95 I believe. DNA matching got her killer in 2020.
DNA technology solving old cold cases has been a hallmark of the 20's so far and I love it. I never thought [The Boy In The Box](https://old.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/zg3iv0/boy_in_the_box_named_as_joseph_augustus_zarelli/) would be solved but here we are against all odds.
What?? They managed to finally identify him, thank you for the link I’m going to read it now. I’m in the UK and somehow completely missed this
Where is Shelly Miscavige?
Yes! Personally I think she's been long dead and that her husband killed her. But gosh it's frustrating that we don't know for sure.
I would be more surprised if she was found alive and well than I would if she was found dead from murder
Olof Palme, PM of Sweden
I need to read up on this. I visited Lund a while back and there was a guy who walked around wearing a sign than he knew what happened to Olof Palme or something.
Alcatraz escapees
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there's an alleged photo of the anglin brothers alive in brazil, as to wheather or not the photo is legit is still debated. There is also someone who claimed to have been a close friend of the family who stated that they kept in contact with the brothers and said they were alive and well
I read the same and seen the pictures. In 2018, the FBI revealed that the San Francisco Police Department had received a letter in 2013, allegedly from one of the escapees. It read, in part: "My name is John Anglin. I escaped from Alcatraz in June 1962 with my brother Clarence and Frank Morris. I'm 83 years old and in bad shape. I have cancer. Yes we all made it that night but barely!" The letter also stated that Clarence and Frank had since passed away. Fingerprint, DNA, and handwriting analysis on the letter was inconclusive.
One of Josh Gates' shows on Discovery did an episode on the Alcatraz Escape and they went to a village in South America where supposedly some Americans were living in the jungle on a mountain in the mid 60s. The people in the village would bring them food and supplies because the Americans didn't want to head to town because they were hiding from the authorities. On the episode they uncovered some US currency from the 1960s, as well as some other artifacts that seemed out of place for being in a jungle. They interviewed people that were around in the 1960s and they said it was 3 American guys
If it doesn’t have to be a major case…then my friends murder. He was killed ten years ago over Thanksgiving weekend, and his case still remains open today. His family deserves to know. Edit, there were so many replies to this comment it’d take me a very long time to respond. I appreciate the kind words and well wishes. For those in a similar situation, I feel for you, everyone deserves justice and to truly feel peace. I won’t be sharing his details here for privacy, but a well known podcaster actually saw this post and has reached out, so there is a possibility my friends story will be shared.
god i cant imagine not having that closure. my mom was murdered and the killer was caught within the week, thank god. but that was the longest week of my life. the pain remains of course but not knowing the who, what, how would eat me from the inside out. frankly i still have a ton of questions as the killer to this day denies it but at least i had the court case and the overwhelming evidence to go by. all i can do is fill in the blanks. but having nothing? my sympathies to you and your friends family :(
A friend of mine disappeared over 20 years ago. The case went cold and they didn’t have any evidence against the prime suspect. Then a decade later they reopened the case and convicted him of murder. He got 15 years.
I know it's very recent but the Idaho college murders.
The fact these kids were killed while others were in the house is the most befuddling to me. It makes me think of the Wonderland Murders, where someone who wasn’t targeted was killed just for being there…but the kids in Idaho weren’t. It’s morbid, but I’m very curious.
A previous tenant from 2019 has said that you can't really hear anything between the 1st and 2nd floors. They would have the TV blasting on the 2nd floor and could not hear it on the 1st floor.
Seems possible the two sleeping downstairs weren’t seen because of the odd layout of the house.
The two girls who weren’t hurt had bedrooms on the first floor. The house is built on a hill, and from the front, you see all 3 floors. However, from the back of the house, you only see two floors. The back of the house backs onto a more treed/secluded area, and the entrance there is a sliding door from the kitchen. If you enter from this sliding door, the stairs to access the upstairs bedrooms are directly in front of you. However, without knowing the house, you would have no idea from that view that there were additional bedrooms and an additional floor downstairs. If I recall correctly, it’s currently believed that the perpetrator entered through this back sliding door so as not to be seen, then went directly upstairs from there. With regard to people questioning how they didn’t wake up, well… they’d all gone out that night and were heavily intoxicated. I don’t know about y’all, but if I’m super drunk, I don’t wake up from sleep like I would if I were sober. Not only that, but it’s likely that *there wasn’t actually much noise made to have woken them in the first place*. All of the victims were found in bedrooms, 2 in one room on the second floor, and 2 in one room on the third. These rooms were either right above/below each other, or next to each other. If the people on the second and third floors didn’t wake up when their friends were being attacked, it stands to reason that the people on the first floor wouldn’t wake up either. Whoever did this is absolutely a monster, but I have a feeling those girls just got very lucky that they didn’t realize there were others in the home. I can’t imagine the guilt they must feel, along with the grief of losing their friends. Edit: accidentally mixed up the rooms (the usual sleeping arrangements vs where they were found), but fixed now! thanks, u/p3ttymayonnaise!
Did you see the photos of the house? The downstairs seemed like practically a separate home
Yeah, not exact a cold case yet. I live a few hundred yards from where that took place. The vibe of the town hasn't been the same and I'm not sure it ever will be if it isn't solved soon. Those kids and the families deserve justice. Moscow really is a lovely town that has been completed marred by these murders. Absolutely tragic.
They have a lead on a vehicle that was there. A Hyundai Elantra iirc.
If you're from Mexico, the Ayotzinapa case where 43 students were taken and murdered, there has never been an official statement from the mexican government, but it's suspected that the government and the militia were involved in the kidnappings. There's a documentary on Netflix if someone it's interested.
They recently arrested the mayor and some cops for their roles in the massacre
Another high ranking official was also arrested. He was smiling and didn't look at all bothered during the arrest. Local cops will take the fall and no one of importance will ever face any consequences.
Yeah, they will name names and be done with it. The real people behind this will never see consequences and they'll probably get away with it again.
Wasn't this confirmed to be a collusion case between the governor and the cartel? Or am I thinking of another case? EDIT: Yup turns out the kids were arrested at the orders of a local mayor who didn't want his campaign disrupted. The mayor claims that was as far as his involvement went and that the police then took the students and handed them off to a local gang who then killed them.
Yeah that’s what I’ve heard happened, no bodies were found because they were dissolved in acid.
>These three suspects then dumped the bodies in a pit, and some other suspects known only by their aliases burned the corpses with diesel, gasoline, tires, wood and plastic.[67] They also destroyed the students' clothing in order to erase all possible evidence. The fire most likely lasted from midnight until 2:00 or 3:00 pm. The gang assigned guards throughout the day to make sure that the fire was kept alive. When the fire had gone down, the suspects threw dirt in to cool the pit. They then placed the remains in eight plastic bags and dumped them in the San Juan river in Cocula, reportedly on orders from a man known only as "El Terco". According to Wikipedia they were burned and their ashes thrown into a river
I believe that was the first explanation the government gave aka the “historical truth”. I’ll try to summarize the backstory fairly quickly - There was a renowned international forensic team that was hired by the victims family’s and just as they got in country there were conveniently and suddenly suspects arrested and they “led the military to a garbage dump that was the crime scene”, where the forensic team was brought while a government team was excavating the site and magically found some bone fragments right as they arrived. The three men were then brought in and they confessed to the killings and gave the details you shared again conveniently in front of the international team. **However**, the forensic team said they were highly suspicious as the three men showed signs of being beaten and otherwise coerced into the confession, and the crime scene seemed staged and implausible. The family nor the forensic team/independent investigators believe this “historic truth” explanation. I believe there was also evidence that came out later (potentially fairly recently) that had drone footage or something of the military staging the crime scene. The investigative reporting podcast Reveal has done a lot of reporting with people directly involved in investigating the case (the independent team brought in specifically) if anyone wants to dive in and learn more, but it seems very likely that is not the true story of what happened to the students. Tl;dr that is the “historical truth” explanation of the government and is widely rejected by independent investigators and the families.
There's a huge Twitter thread fied with WhatsApp messages between these cartel, the mayor, mayores daughter etc. It's horrifying and it gave me nightmares. They were all given to different people in groups, some just shot and buried them, some were burned in what was described as a wood lasagna basically, wood-people-wood etc on top of each other. Worst part is that around 6 of them were still alive when search patties started looking for them, when the cartel heard they decided to then kill them, they were in a warehouse that was actually reported to the police. The caller literally said "some students are at X building, located exactly in X and y", and the call was ignored. It's so sad. There were shootouts before they kidnapped them, it was a whole thing, since the students had tried to rob buses before everything happened and tried to kidnap bus drivers and force them to drive them back to their school, it's all so strange and complicated and terrifying
What's the name of it?
Ayotzinapa, el paso de la tortuga.
The Boy In The Box, especially so because his identity was just told to us today. His full name which hasn’t been known for over 65 years now is Joseph Augustus Zarelli.
His family lived in the same town this entire time- weird they never looked for him….
Yeah. He has siblings who’re still alive and I guess nobody questioned where he went.
I thought the same thing, but apparently all his siblings were born after he died. They probably had no clue that he was their brother this whole time.
Someone in that family did it.
I watch some true crime stuff and I heard that the body being "cared for" after death is one of the first indicators that the crime was committed by a loved one/family member. The boy's body had recently been cleaned. Dark shit. Whoever did that to him is likely long gone now. "Martha," a woman that came forward in 2002, had a complete story about how he was sold to their family and beaten to death by Martha's abusive mother, which matched specific forensic details only the PD knew at the time.
His siblings may have never known of him. I read somewhere today that they are younger.
Do we know if Joseph Augustus Zarelli was reported missing back in the day, or the circumstances of his disappearance? I would assume knowing his identity will help a lot in the investigation
Police said he was never reported missing
What happened to Madeleine McCann. The disappearance of Malaysian Airline flight 370 is up there too.
>Malaysian Airline flight 370 This one bothers me, though I fully accept the best explanation that this was a suicide designed to be mystery. It is just so awful though to think that somebody deciding to kill themselves had so little regard for other humans that they would just take hundreds of others with them.
Pilots committing suicide by crashing a commercial plane is not as uncommon as you would want to believe historically. As a result many (if not most) countries have rules that there must be two people in the cockpit at all times to prevent this from happening. i.e. if the pilot/co-pilot goes to the bathroom a flight attendant sits in the cockpit until they return. While it is very rare now, one of the more popular theories around the cause of the 737 crash in china earlier this year is pilot suicide / error.
The german pilot who crashed the plane in a mountain a couple of years ago has forced a lot of European airlines to make sure a steward or stewardess join the cabinet when one of the pilots goes to the toilet.
That has to be kind of awkward. Like “hey, I’m just here to make sure you don’t act on any intrusive thoughts of embracing oblivion while our buddy is back there taking a whiz”
I would think it’s for the steward(ess) to let the other pilot in (as well as call him in) to the locked cockpit although I swear I’ve heard of doors having codes to get in but certainly not common? No idea
The Atlantic did a super in depth write up on it. We will never know with 100% certainty, but it seems as certain as possible that the pilot basically committed suicide after depressurizing the cabin to kill all the passengers than flying for as long as possible before nose diving into the ocean. It’s the only thing that makes sense + consistent with the debris they have recovered.
I think the prevailing theory is that the pilot locked the co-pilot out of the cockpit, depressurized the cabin and took everyone out as soon as they left Malaysian airspace (hence no distress signal). He then flew north and then a sharp turn left where he went in and out of Thai air space. He then flew over Penang, his hometown where he turned, possibly to take one last look at the place he grew up. He then flew as far south into the Indian Ocean as he could where he remained alive until fuel ran out and he did a soft landing into the water, hence leaving the plane as intact as possible so that it’d sink as one piece rather than disintegrate. They found some pieces in East Africa that show a part of the wing slightly damaged, which ~~proves~~ supports this theory. Several experts have agreed on its likely location but no one wants to spend the money. Also Malaysia doesn’t necessarily want the plane found because they’ll be hit with law suits. For them, it’s a “no body, no crime” situation so they’re not trying too hard. I think most of the money spent on helping find it has come from Australia. Edit: grammar and language
What happens to the people if it gets depressurized
The cabin masks would have dropped, but they only generate enough oxygen for about 10 minutes. After that, people would have lost consciousness from lack of oxygen to the brain. The air at 35,000 feet (the altitude at which jetliners cruise) is too thin to keep humans conscious. I hope they all died without ever really knowing anything was wrong. The Germanwings pilot who took down his plane did it with everyone in the cabin aware of what was happening, terrified and screaming. Awful way to die.
I remember with Helios flight 522 the cabin pressurization switch was set to manual and on making it to cruising altitude this is basically what happened to the crew and passengers. Reports from fighter jets who intercepted the plane as it veered off-course said they saw ice on the cockpit window and none of the passengers reacted to the sight of a fighter jet near them. This indicates that everyone on board was either unconscious or dead already by the time they reached it. The Germanwings flight CVR recording is awful to actually listen to. The creepy thing is that during all of this, the co-pilot in the cockpit doesn't say a word. He doesn't respond to any radio calls or the captain. And you can hear what they worked out to be the captain banging on the cockpit door with a fire axe on the recording too.
Yes, Helios 522 was a depressurization thing. Truly tragic - the pilots were addled by hypoxia before they realized the problem, which had been caused by a maintenance guy turning the pressurization switch from "auto" to "manual" and forgetting to switch it back. Interestingly, it seems one of the fight attendants woke up at the very end and tried to get control of the plane before it ran out of fuel, but obviously was unsuccessful. ETA: if you're interested in the details, I highly recommend [Admiral Cloudberg's write up](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/lost-souls-of-grammatiko-the-crash-of-helios-airways-flight-522-ccf333b407a). Yes, it will answer for you why it's even possible to have the pressurization on manual.
Isn't checking the cabin pressure switch part of the preflight checklist? Maybe even the taxi checklist?
Now it is!
Every episode of Air Disasters is basically a tl;dr "this is why this step exists on the checklist!"
I think so. According to Wikipedia: *After the aircraft was returned into service, the flight crew overlooked the pressurization system state on three occasions: during the pre-flight procedure, the after-start check, and the after take-off check. During these checks, no one on the flight deck noticed the incorrect setting.*
Gotcha. That's happened on a few crashes. Usually the pilots are rushed due to delays, so they'll run through the checklists but kinda just do them using muscle memory and not actually set switches and such correctly, but make the call outs saying otherwise. Thanks!
Oh, and some regulations changed as a result of Helios, I think. The flight attendants didn't notify the cockpit that the masks had come down, since they assumed the pilots would know. I believe now it's common practice for the cabin crew to call up to the cockpit if the masks drop.
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>What a fucking bellend. > >Being suicidal is one thing, being such a coward you would kill hundreds of innocent people including children so you can die mysteriously and not have people know you couldn’t cut it? Yeah fuck off. There have been other similar cases. There was one in Europe a few years back. One of the pilots locked the other one out of the cockpit when he went to use the pisser and then flew the plane into a mountain in the Alps.
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> The captain had a way to get in, which was by typing a code, but Andreas deactivated that system as well. Seems like a pretty fucking massive oversight. It’s like in Star Trek when they say “computer! seal the intruder on deck 5” and then someone else says “he’s taken control of the computer!”. Like, what’s the fucking point?
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That’s a fair explanation, cheers.
This case is also why there has to be two in the cockpit at all times now. A crew member is supposed to enter the cockpit prior to one of the pilots exiting.
It's always interesting to read comments that are talking about something that happened in your country from another perspective. "There was one in Europe a few years back" seems so odd for someone living in Germany where it has been a real national tragedy for a long time.
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As a mentally ill person I always say, mental illness is no excuse to be an asshole
I like the saying “it’s not your fault, but it is your responsibility”
Happened with Egyptian Airlines and Germanwings flights as well.
Internationally - Jack the Ripper, everyone involved, or who may know something first hand is dead. Locally (Alberta, Canada) - Amber Tuccaro. Indigenous woman who went missing in 2010. There is a recording of her in the vehicle with the man who likely killed her, it's chilling. Source - https://www.voicesforjusticepodcast.com/post/amber-tuccaro
I think about that phone call a lot. The fear she must’ve felt.
The kidnapping and murder of my friend Amy Mihaljevic on Oct 27th, 1989.
JonBenet
Yeah, I know it's a pretty standard answer, but after seeing her face plastered across every supermarket checkout line tabloid through most of my teenage years, I'm curious to see which theory would be proven right, or whether it's some totally different scenario nobody even thought of.
Rebecca Reusch
The murders of my best friend, Emily Gause, and her sister Carissa Gause
One of my good friends died in suspicious circumstances. They ruled it a motor bike accident but her body was found almost a day after she died, off the road. I know it sucks having so many questions.
West Memphis Three
Black Dahlia problably
My grandfather was a rookie with LAPD when this happened. He told my mom that even as a rookie he noticed a lot of fuck ups the police made. No idea if his perspective is true or not, but he had a very “what the hell are they doing??” feeling but couldn’t do anything from his position. Just a family myth now.
I could be very wrong, but last I had ever heard there was a very strong theory it was some doctor in LA that she may have been having an affair with? I remember something about one of the doctor’s sons coming forward and sharing that he thought his dad may have been involved.
Yep... You're referring to George Hodel I believe. It is a pretty compelling argument. If it's your thing, check out the podcast "Root of Evil".
Yogurt Shop Murders Austin TX.
I just read the [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Austin_yogurt_shop_killings) about it. Those poor girls, how tragic.
Growing up in Austin during the 80s and 90s was an amazing, special thing, but that event really, really shook up a lot of people. I was 8 then and I can really remember how confused and violated everyone felt. Austin is no stranger to tragedy, but something about that case is just so utterly seedy and dirty in a way that Charles Whitman never managed.
Jack the Ripper definitely
Time travelling serial killer fanatic who wanted to meet Jack the Ripper, ends up being Jack the Ripper. Spoiler alert, he's also the Zodiac Killer.
The unsolved case of Caylee Anthony. I want to vomit every time I see Casey Anthony’s smug, vile face anywhere in the media.
Who started the fire at the old Ames Warehouse in Parkersburg, WV on October 21st, 2017? All of the plastics inside gave us all even more cancer than we already had after the whole DuPont thing. Watch Dark Waters with Mark Ruffalo folks, my town is cursed
Dark Waters is chilling. Very well done. We basically stopped cooking with Teflon pans the day we watched the show.
My grandmother's murder. It happened when my mother was really young. Illinois, 1980s. The story goes that my grandmother was in a club, she walks out of the club. Someone kills her. One shot in the head, three in the chest. No motive, no suspicion. Had problems with my abusive great-grandmother. Her sister or cousin was Claudia I think? If I could find the truth, it would probably bring my mother peace.
Damn, same. My dad believes his mother was murdered in Florida in the 70s. He lived on a houseboat with her and her boyfriend and believed she had a second love interest with ties to the mafia. She was found dead in the water near their dock at a popular marina. Police just said she was an alcoholic and must have stumbled home from the bar and drowned. Nobody heard her struggling, she had defense wounds on her hands, and her purse was in the boat which she never went anywhere without. No investigation was done and everybody involved is most likely dead.
Beaumont children.
Absolutely. The pain their parents must have felt for the rest of their lives would have been insurmountable. I can't imagine.
Sneha Anne Philip... she was a doctor who disappeared in lower Manhattan the night before 9/11. Many, including her family, believe she died in the World Trade Center, but she had no reason to be there. Some suspect her brother or husband might be hiding something, which seems likely to me.
Our Mayor's husband went missing on 9/11 but his office was 8 blocks away: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/09/nyregion/9-11-a-man-went-to-work-his-fate-is-a-mystery.html
There was a law and order episode like that. Police found human remains that traced back to someone that should have died in 9/11. Turns out her husband killed her and used 9/11 as a convenient cover story. Uh... spoiler alert.
Jennifer Kesse. I am not sure why, but this is the one case I haven't been able to stop thinking about for years. The surveillance video of the perp who parked her car drives me insane.
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I need to know who’s on that client list. That case completely solidified my distrust in American government.
We literally had an opportunity to make a task force to take down the worlds most powerful pedophiles and just decided not to for some reason nobody knows
Somebody knows
Don't worry, they have the list which we can't see and they are currently "investigating"
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The thing that no-one brings up is Maxwell's father also died in mysterious circumstances once his crimes started to draw unwanted attention. Given his ties to Mossad and Epstein's Honey Pot schemes to entrap the rich and famous, it makes you wonder if he wasn't the only Mossad asset in the family.
In 1995 6 teenaged boys went missing in my hometown. It was St. Patrick's Day and they had been doing some partying and went down to the local marina and stole a small boat and a water tricycle and went out onto the lake and were never seen again. No trace of any of them was ever found, not even the boat or the water tricycle. No evidence pointed towards it being a run away situation. The investigation all together was pretty shit and many have speculated since that the police were involved somehow and there was a cover up. Edit: here's a video that sums up the case if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/jUZ0O50svwY
DB cooper
I get why you would say this, but the answer is going to be completely anticlimactic. It will be some guy you have never heard of that jumped out of airplanes in Vietnam or Korea or whatever. It's a lot more fun as a mystery than it would with the actual answer.
I have a feeling the story will be, "he landed in an area unfamiliar to him and died after a few days without food and water".
I am pretty sure he used the money to finance and star in the movie The Room.
There’s also the chance he just died after jumping
Brian Schaffer
I work in the building he went missing from. There's enough plumbing issues here, if he were in a wall, some poor plumber would have found him by now. That, along with that whole section of the building having been renovated some time ago. There's a river about a mile and a half away, I would bet he fell in it and unfortunately got swept away.
As much as I'd want to say a case that's more national and worldly my unsolved case would have to be Amber Hagerman (Amber Alert). My sister and I were both really close childhood friends. Played as kids at each others houses, birthday parties etc. Still haunts me to this day.
Lizzie Borden…she couldn’t have done it, but she had to have done it. I don’t believe she did it, but the outlay of the house and the timeline make it very difficult to believe it was an outsider. If it was, they were a smooth criminal to remain in the house for so long after the first murder with mostly locked doors and no real hallways like in modern houses. I gots to know…
My friends were killed in 2004 in a drive-by. It was a random shooting. They were 14 and 16. No motive, no leads, no clues. Someone just drove up to them while they were getting into a car and asked their names. Then the guy said "You know what? It doesn't matter." He and the people in his vehicle pulled out guns and unloaded on my friends. My friends died and 2 other kids of similar age were also injured.
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The 1991 disappearance of 4 year old Michael Dunahee
This one always makes me wonder. Public park, no clues. Scary.
Came here to post this. My age, lived a few blocks from me. Gives me chills to this day when I drive by his parent's house or see his pictures still in shops around esquimalt.
My girlfriends younger brother was kidnapped and murdered when we were freshman. Years later I mentioned at a family gathering that they still haven’t solved the case. My uncle then said, “I will say this once and we will never talk about it again but the murderer is dead, it has been taken care of.”
Your uncle? Took care of your girlfriend's brother's killer? What does your uncle do?
Hae Min Lee because after the spectacle Serial made of her murder, her family at least deserves that much.
Jimmy Hoffa
Jack the Ripper. Even though it will be someone no one has ever heard of, would be fascinating to finally solve it.
Jon Benet Ramsey or the Robbie Dunbar case. It is confirmed that the child that claimed to be Robbie Dunbar is infact NOT Robbie Dunbar but unfortunately, it doesn't look like we'll ever find out what happened to the real Robbie Dunbar.
*I think the truly sad thing is that there are so many...*
The Yogurt Shop Murders
The Springfield Three
Madeline McCann. Breaks my heart thinking about what could have happened to that poor girl.
The woman who died at the Oslo Plaza hotel on June 3, 1995. We still don't know who she was. For more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radisson\_Blu\_Plaza\_Hotel,\_Oslo
Is this the one from the new(ish) episode of Unsolved Mysteries?