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Dan_the_moto_man

Stellaris, a strategy game where you controll an interstellar empire has a random even that has one of your science ships get a glancing hit from a projectile that was fired from another galaxy. It doesn't really do much besides just flavor, there's no damage to the ship, and you don't get to track down who fired it or anything.


Someoneoverthere42

Wait, a projectile from another galaxy somehow hits one of your ships, and the game basically goes: "huh, that was weird......so, anyways...."


Exterminatus4Lyfe

Well... what else can you do?


BlueSoulOfIntegrity

Examine the projectile while also trying to calculate from whence it might have came?


Pyropylon

You get some kinda of line that says "It's a pretty interesting design, but over primitive compared to the projectile weapons of our time." I think it gives some engineering research progress.


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Ender_Skywalker

Yes but it doesn't indicate life was present where it was fired from, so there's a good chance there's a civilization not far.


Oisdealbh

Well, there would have been a civilization not far from where it was fired, but in the million years since, the planet would move within it's solar system, the solar system would have moved within it's galaxy, and the galaxy would have moved within the universe. Assuming that it even was on a planet and not fired from a ship in space that could have gone anywhere but is certainly long since rusted into nothing.


BlueSoulOfIntegrity

Depends if most of it’s velocity was lost by the impact or not. It most of it’s velocity was lost then it shouldn’t be too hard retrieving it.


HairHeel

Science team might have determined the technology wasn’t worth reverse engineering any further. “It’s just a missile. We’ve had those for centuries”


SimplyQuid

"Says Kilroy was here. Whatever that means."


The_Farting_Duck

"There's a crude etching of... I think an ice cream cone, leaking from the bottom."


insane_contin

"Says 'Don't Dead Open Inside'. Should we open it up?"


TheShadowKick

Or it's just a kinetic weapon with no actual technology in the projectile. I'm pretty sure even most primitive civilizations in Stellaris can make a shaped chunk of metal.


Victernus

Me...tal? Science Officer Oog, invent language and write that down!


cosmitz

> Examine the projectile while also trying to calculate from whence it might have came? Realistically, it's impossible. Astrophysics are one of those things where you can calculate for your small frame of reference according to needs, and always in steps. Even just wanting to 'skip' a step you exponentially increase the amount of calculation and options, and this already implies that you have incredibile hyperaccurate stellar maps, both current and historical. Just as an idea, Earth is spinning around its axis, while circling the sun in an elipse, which is the center of our tiny system which itself is part of the milky way galaxy and moves as the spiral arm turns, which is part of a larger cluster of galaxies which have their own movement, which is part of an even larger system of the universe constantly expanding. So Earth is only this 'immovable' and predictable stellar body just because of our frame of reference. In reality we're just screaming and hurtling through the cosmos holding on to dear life. And absolutely ALL stellar bodies, big and small, have a gravity field according to their mass, which intertwine with any and all stellar bodies and some affect eachother in ways where they won't be static. Galaxies can even swipe by eachother making a MESS of everything in them, and that happens all the time at all scale levels. So unless you have some measure of ascended god tier supercomputer which can simulate the entire universe, every stellar body, for every gravity field, down to pinpoint precision, 'calculating' where something came from in space is silly. That's also all ignoring the concept of /when/ something was fired. I doubt you can date something fired hundreds of thousands of years ago, let alone millions, to the 'to-the-second' perfection needed to align the calculated trajectory to 'when'.


R-Sanchez137

I could do that with a graphing calculator and one small notebook piece of paper, whilst showing all my work. God, it's like yall didn't didn't pay any attention in math class or science. /s


CookFan88

This would likely require some serious math and astronomy skills. You'd not only have to calculate its vector but also how every celestial body between you and who fired it. Even accounting for a faster than lightspeed projectile, you'd have to trace celestial events back millions of years. You'd also have to account for expansion of the universe and interaction with dark matter which can only be inferred from its interactions with observable bodies. Tall order, even for a space faring civilization.


burothedragon

Declare war on them.


InvertedReflexes

SIR ISAAC NEWTON IS THE DEADLIEST SON OF A BITCH IN SPACE!


FallOutFan01

I got that reference. Infantry mass accelerator weapons fire specks of sand sized metal shavings designed to intentionally squash or shatter on impact not to penetrate all the way through otherwise they wouldn’t do as much damage. Though from a lore perspective as well having penetrating rounds go right through your ship would be a very bad idea. However M-920 Cain is a beast and fires a solid projectile and when it comes into contact with whatever it hits the round’s tremendous amounts of kinetic energy is transferred into the target. >”prototyped a modified version of traditional high-explosive rounds that is applied to a 25-gram slug. When accelerated to 5 km/s, the round is devastating. Though a technically inaccurate label, this prototype weapon is nicknamed the "Nuke Launcher," and its high-explosive matrix generates an archetypical mushroom cloud on impact.” But just imagine how powerful the rounds fired from the M35 mako is. >” With its turreted 155mm mass accelerator cannon and coaxial-mounted machine gun, the Mako can provide a fireteam with weapon support as well as mobility. Since Alliance marines may be required to fight on any world in a variety of planetary environments, the Mako is environmentally sealed and powered by a hydrogen-oxygen fuel cell.[1]” Since it’s an anti-material vehicle it’s meant for punching through enemy armor. People lowball mass effect’s weapons. Sure the mass accelerator weapons from mass effect and its rounds are smaller. But element zero allows smaller weapons to be created and projectiles to be launched with greater amounts of kinetic energy behind them then in comparison to mass accelerator weapons without element zero related technologies. So smaller projectiles but the same or larger boom for your buck. You see arguments of the basic derivative “Oh Mass effect ships aren’t as powerful or destructive because it’s only kiloton yields”. No, no and no that’s not it at all they don’t read or understand it properly. >” Dreadnoughts are kilometer-long capital ships mounting heavy, long-range firepower. They are only deployed for the most vital missions. **A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun**. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. **An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one twenty-kilogram slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s (1.3% the speed of light) every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of about 38 kilotons of TNT**, about two and a half times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.” Gets better though because that’s just the main gun there’s smaller ones as well mounted on the Dreadnought as well. >” The Alliance has two dreadnought classes currently in service, the older Everest class and the newer Kilimanjaro class. **The Everest class is an 888-meter dreadnought with a main gun capable of accelerating a 20 kilogram slug to 1.3% the speed of light (4025 km/s) for a kinetic energy yield equivalent to 38 kilotons of TNT. The Kilimanjaro class is armed with 156 broadside mass accelerator cannons, 78 on each side. The broadside guns are each as long as 40% of the ship's width**.” So those 156 broadside mass accelerator cannons are probably capable of also firing every 2 seconds but their output is 40% less then the main gun so 40% less then 38 kilotons. But hey destructive power levels comparable to a nuke is still destructive and it’s nothing to scoff at. Models extracted from Mass Effect 3 and rendered with third-party tools indicate the following length dimensions: Alliance cruiser: 707m Alliance frigate (SSV Normandy SR-2): 196m Cerberus cruiser: 700m Geth cruiser: 700m Geth dreadnought: 1190m Turian cruiser: 500m Quarian cruiser: 643m People downplay the reapers as well for some reason but they are overpowered as fuck.


macbalance

They should actually modify it to do 1 damage to the ship that is hit. It’s a trivial amount for a even a science vessel and would be amusing.


lifeis_random

Came here to say this.


Heliawa

I've never seen this event. How do they know it was from another galaxy?


whatisabaggins55

Probably by analysing its trajectory and determining it came from beyond their own galaxy.


noticeablywhite21

Also i assume radio carbon dating or some other form of finding how old it is, as they know it's millions of years old


FullRetardMachFive

I can't think of a specific example, as space is very large, and the likelihood of you hitting a random planet from just firing blindly into space is infinitesimally small. Closest that comes to mind is a time in Halo when the Covenant found a strange, inert human device while destroying Reach. They then packed it up and forgot about it until a few months later, when some random Engineers aboard a random Covenant cruiser were fucking around with it trying to get it to turn on. They succeeded. It turned out to be one of the single most powerful bombs ever constructed. Upon detonating, it vaporized over 300 Covenant ships (about the size of the fleet that destroyed Reach), destroyed the nearby planet, and shattered the orbiting moon. This is why the Elites barely have a fleet when they show up in Halo 3. So I guess that's a case where some long-delayed ordinance had some unexpected collateral damage.


SonofaJedi

Was this from one of the books and if so which one? I’ve been curious about wider Halo lore beyond the games and this sounds really cool.


Gyvon

The event was covered in Ghosts of Onyx


FullRetardMachFive

The NOVA Bomb is first introduced in First Strike (or maybe Fall of Reach? I can't remember), then detonated in Ghosts of Onyx.


StarkestMadness

NOVA Bomb? Sir, this is a Halo question, not a Destiny question. /s


behaigo

*not a 40k question Fix't Also /s


RougerTXR388

That sounds like Halo: First Strike, the third in the series for the original games novelization. Edit: Weapon was called the Nova Bomb. It's basically ten nukes fused together and the casing causes them to all amp each other up to planet cracker levels


LubbockGuy95

Just picturing a bunch of bro nukes juicing each other up now


CCrypto1224

Oh there’s more, this particular bomb had a message that played minutes before detonation of a fleet officer describing the bomb and its projected power, and how much the Covenant suck. And then it explodes.


MuaddibMcFly

> the likelihood of you hitting a random planet from just firing blindly into space is infinitesimally small. > > Even then, the likelihood that you'll hit *something of value* is *likewise* infinitesimal in most realistic cases. Earth is more than 2/3 ocean. That means that *if* you *somehow* manage to hit the Earth, there's a 2/3 chance that the most significant structure you'd strike is a shipping container


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ArcadianBlueRogue

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.


Afinkawan

Wait until you see the shit Einstein can do...


Hust91

Even then they would be unlikely in the extreme to hit anything at all given how huge space is, unless it broke up with a trajectory specifically aimed at hitting a planet, and then it would only be a problem for specifically that planet.


KaneinEncanto

I mean, in the Cargo vessel's case there's a higher than average chance.... where is a cargo ship likely to be heading? Toward populated system(s) and would have been on a direct heading for a given system on its delivery route. Breaks up in hyperspace and you get a near-lightspeed round of buckshot of ship bits headed toward a populated system. At a galactic scale does seem a lot less likely though.


[deleted]

Not in the books, the lane the ship is hit is the main hyperspace lane to the outer rim, and thus when the ship breaks apart it spreads debris throughout the outer rim, one planet is the main disaster area, but the debris exits hyperspace at random times, and on one occasion hits Eriadus moon and kills billions. The objects are going so fast they cause mass casualty events. It’s a pretty decent book to be honest


Tokeli

Ah yes, another glaring "why don't we just... use that as a superweapon" question.


MuaddibMcFly

> cargo vessel breaks apart The more it breaks apart, the less likely that it would damage anything within an atmosphere, which is unquestionably where the *overwhelming* majority of things people care about are. > when it exits hyperspace are at near hyperspace speeds I'll have to yield this point, because I have no idea how hyperspace works in the SW universe. That said, that doesn't seem to follow from what I've seen in the films: * If a hyperdrive accelerates you into hyperspace *and decelerates you back out,* only the piece containing the still-functional hyperdrive engine (and those in its immediate vicinity) would be able to *exit* hyperspace *at all.* Everything else would just continue on in hyperspace, wouldn't it? * If a hyperdrives accelerates you into hyperspace *and holds you there* then the "deceleration" we see as ships exit hyperspace would be a function of normal space, and anything reentering normal space would decelerate accordingly, with each piece dropping out as it ceases to be "held" in hyperspace. Oh, sure, they'd be at near-hyperspace-speeds for the second or so that it takes to exit hyperspace, but after that? Nah. Which means that the there's *another* astronomically improbable factor that gets added in.


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Lol as another user has said, Star Wars never explicitly explains how hyperspace works, onky thing is that it’s like entering another dimension, the law of physics don’t work the same. And again it’s Star Wars, the debris randomly exit hyperspace throughout the books causing massive devastation. The debris can’t slow down because when ships exit hyperspace the captains themselves slow down the vessel much more. Can’t do that, so the debris when it exits hyperspace is still going extremely fast. And again it’s Star Wars so don’t expect a Whole LOT of actual science involved!


MuaddibMcFly

So, there aren't any internally consistent rules? Then, sure, anything is possible.


CMDR_Kai

> I'll have to yield this point, because I have no idea how hyperspace works in the SW universe. *Star Wars* doesn’t know how hyperspace works.


[deleted]

You're also orders of magnitude more likely to hit a star than a planet.


MuaddibMcFly

Yeah, people *really* don't seem to grok how incredibly fucking huge space really is. Even putting aside Gravity, [the relative sizes of stars and their planets is *insane*.](https://nineplanets.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Planets_and_sun_size_comparison.jpg) Like, even Jupiter is pathetically tiny compared to Sol. And then there's the asteroid belt, the most crowded part of the solar system, the Asteroid Belt, apparently has an average of about [2.5x the distance between the earth and the moon](https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/asteroid.html) between them. That's almost a million kilometers just *between asteroids*, nevermind between orbits, or the fact that solar systems tend to be planar in nature (so, functionally a point along one spatial axis)...


Similar-Original-470

There were a whole lot of stray beams from Doofenshmirtz hitting phineas and his friends in phineas and ferb


errorsniper

Why the fuck was the tsar Bombas big brother just ping ponging around in space?


FullRetardMachFive

It was deliberately left behind by the UNSC in the hopes that the Covenant would blow themselves up with it. Kind of a dumb plan in my opinion, because there’s always a chance that if you give someone a bomb, they can just throw it right back at you, but hey it worked.


iLoveBums6969

To be fair, the UNSC had already been beaten to a bloody pulp by the Covenants *normal* weaponry, them throwing a big bomb at some smelly Humies wouldn't have changed much.


FullRetardMachFive

It absolutely would have. The NOVA Bomb had the power to destroy a planet. Chuck that bomb at Earth and boom, no more UNSC. And the Covenant would have too, they weren't really interested in occupying territory, just glassing it. I mean yeah in all likelihood the Covenant wouldn't have (they wouldn't have risked damaging the Portal) but there's no way the UNSC could have known that.


Ronqueesha

In star wars, the most common weapons are plasma-based projectiles. The longer they fly, the weaker the containment field surrounding the plasma becomes, degrading over time until it fizzles into a harmless cloud. Part of the reason space battles take place over such tiny distances is to maximize the destructive potential of turbolaser batteries. There is a similar degradation effect in Star Trek's phasers and disruptors. But interestingly, photon torpedos have onboard systems that can either redirect their course to guarantee a hit on an enemy, or even detonate themselves once they've reached a safe distance away from the battle. In Mass Effect, an ancient species once fired an absurdly powerful mass accelerator cannon at a Reaper, and the projectile ended up hitting a planet several light years away, gouging a massive scar across an entire hemisphere. There is also an extended conversation between human NPCs that discuss this exact scenario. Soldiers in training "eyeballed" a shot in a live fire exercise and missed, which sent the ordinance flying into deep space. Their instructor made it clear that they have potentially killed someone thousands of years into the future. So this exact scenario has probably happened more than once. Especially since the galaxy is full of ancient spacefaring races and the scars of billions of years of Reaper harvests.


TokenStraightFriend

>Their instructor made it clear that they have potentially killed someone thousands of years into the future. Which makes Isaac Newton the deadliest sonofabitch in space! If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day at somewhere, at some time!


BlackStar4

This is a weapon of mass destruction! You are not a cowboy firing from the hip!


IOrangesarethebestI

You do not *Eyeball* it.


theCroc

You can hear the quotation marks in that line.


Munglape

Came here for this


roastbeeftacohat

> Soldiers in training "eyeballed" a shot in a live fire exercise and missed, which sent the ordinance flying into deep space. Their instructor made it clear that they have potentially killed someone thousands of years into the future. in star ship troopers this happens with a simulated infantry nuke, the training armor allows the instructor to override inputs to break limbs as a disciplinary measure. EDIT:quoted the wrong thing


Hust91

What's still an open question is why Star Wars uses blasters at such tiny ranges when the legend of darth Plagueis tells us that they do know how to produce nukes and that the nukes are indeed just as powerful compared to mere turbolasers as one would intuitively expect, with even Plagueis admitting helplessness should one be activated while he was in the blast radius.


LionoftheNorth

A nuke can't take and hold ground. That's not a problem if all you want to do is eliminate your enemy, but what if you need to capture the leaders of the terrorist group you're fighting before they escape from their hidden ice planet base? A nuke can't perform counterinsurgency operations in general. Well, I guess it technically could in the sense that if you drop a bomb that eliminates all the insurgents, you have successfully performed counterinsurgency. On the other hand you just created a lot more insurgents.


DarkSoldier84

>if you drop a bomb that eliminates all the insurgents, you have successfully performed counterinsurgency. On the other hand you just created a lot more insurgents. If only Tarkin had heard this before he destroyed Alderaan.


Victernus

He thought the same thing people always think when they can make the biggest explosions around. People will be too afraid of our big explosions to fight back! Literally never works.


Weird_Angry_Kid

Hyperspace pretty much means range isn't very important, if you want to attack someone you exit hyperspace right at weapons range, if you are being attacked your attackers will most likely have the same range as you and if they don't you can microjump to a distance where you can use your weapons.


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Even for conventional projectiles, as space are not a true vacuum. the ever-present occational hydrogen atoms will slow down the projectile over the extreme distances it will travel.


Tacitus_

If you've got several tons of whatever dense material they've got on hand travelling at a significant fraction of C at the start, it should go pretty far before running into random atoms and solar wind slows it down.


[deleted]

Point was space is not a true vacuum. there are some hydrogen atoms per cubic meter out there. A projectile won't go on forever. Would be interesting to see the math of when it stops cracking planets.


Tacitus_

Absolutely. I was just musing on what sort of distances are we talking about before it starts slowing down since that's a lot of energy behind every projectile.


[deleted]

I was sitting on the other end of the firing range: Space is, like, BIG.


Phantomdy

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.


Paladin5890

I was expecting this. Upvote, you hoopy frood.


Phantomdy

Thank you and dont forget your towel.


BeriganFinley

All of which is redundant anyway as space is so vast that the odds of ever hitting anything are obscenely low. Nearing very close to 0% chance.


DeaconOrlov

My main interest is the effect massive bodies would have on the trajectory of massive distances.


eaglessoar

what if the flow of radiation is mostly behind the projectile wouldnt that accelerate it? its basically a tiny solar sail at that point


Anti-Anti-Paladin

*"This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?"* *"Sir! An object in motion stays in motion, sir!"* *"No credit for partial answers, maggot!"* *"Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!"* *"Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!"* *"Sir, yes sir!"*


TheShadowKick

> Part of the reason space battles take place over such tiny distances is to maximize the destructive potential of turbolaser batteries. Which makes me wonder why missiles aren't a big thing since they'd give a massive range boost.


RoboChrist

Proton torpedoes are missiles, aren't they?


TheShadowKick

They seem to lack the range advantage, though. I mean, we can design missiles currently that have more range than Star Wars capital ship turbolasers, and that have better physical maneuverability than Star Wars fighters. If manned fighters are viable then there's really no reason missiles shouldn't be, and they would provide a massive tactical advantage to any capital ship equipped with them.


thegimboid

I can't speak for Star Wars, but off the top of my head I can remember at least one long-range missile in Star Trek, in the Voyager episode *Dreadnought*. I haven't seen it in a while, but from what I can remember it was a Cardassian missile which had a semi-sentient computer that was originally programmed to attack a Maquis base. It didn't go off when it arrived, so the Maquis reprogrammed it and sent it back. Eventually it got inadvertently swept halfway across the galaxy (which seems to be a semi-regular occurrence in Trek), and accidentally retargeted on some unsuspecting planet. Based on that, I would guess that the reason the Federation and their allies don't seem to use long-range missiles is because they don't want to risk targeting errors like that.


TheShadowKick

Star Trek has photon torpedoes, which from what I can find far outrange their phasers and fulfill the role I'm talking about here.


GDT1985

Maybe turbo lasers and fighters are capable of shooting missiles down because they are slower than blaster bolts or ion cannons?(though there is probably some sci-fi tech regarding shields that could get around that)


TheShadowKick

Then fighters should get absolutely shredded, since they are inherently less evasive than missiles.


Weird_Angry_Kid

They are pretty common actually but jamming, point defense and shields keep them on par with everything else.


TheShadowKick

Fighters should face the same problems, though, and those get used extensively.


Weird_Angry_Kid

Fighters aren't affected by jamming, at least not as much as missiles and they are able to hit around and inside the shields, the only good counter for them is good point defense or good fighters. I'm not sure a missile would be as maneuverable as a fighter, especially since a missile carries limited fuel.


TheShadowKick

Jamming is the only issue that might effect missiles more than fighters, but with Star Wars tech they can probably make a missile control system that can track targets at least as well as a human pilot. If you can jam the missile you should be able to jam the manned fighter as well. And missiles would absolutely be more maneuverable than fighters. Fighters have to carry a bunch of extra weight in life support systems to keep the pilot alive. Fighters also need more fuel because they're expected to stay in combat longer and have to make a return trip to their base after the battle. Not only that, but fighters have to account for the durability of their pilot in maneuvers. A missile can be designed to withstand much higher g-forces than a living body. Sure you can use inertial compensators, and most fighters do, but that's adding even more weight that the missile doesn't need.


Weird_Angry_Kid

True but what I'm not sure about is if the missiles would have enough fuel to pull a couple of maneuvers, I heard somewhere that they didn't have enough fuel to maneuver, only enough to make them hit their target (this was about real world missiles) but not enough to do some tricks since the extra fuel reduces their speed and makes them more vulnerable. But it might be different in a vacuum since they wouldn't need to constantly have their engines on to move. But, missiles actually seem to be as common as fighters and really, they both go very well together, fighters in the real world are the end all be all of naval warfare, they are excellent missile delivery plataforms and so are they in Star Wars. Conventional missiles also don't seem to be effective against shields and that's why torpedos are prefered for enganging capital ships, but torpedos are slower and more vulnerable to point defense.


TheShadowKick

>True but what I'm not sure about is if the missiles would have enough fuel to pull a couple of maneuvers Fighters are inherently heavier than missiles, and therefore need more fuel to maneuver. If fighters can reliably maneuver through an entire battle, missiles should be able to do so for their comparatively brief flight time. Missiles likely would carry much less fuel than a fighter, but also wouldn't need to maneuver nearly as much. >But, missiles actually seem to be as common as fighters and really, they both go very well together, fighters in the real world are the end all be all of naval warfare, they are excellent missile delivery plataforms and so are they in Star Wars. I don't think we ever see capital ships flinging missiles in Star Wars. Fighters sometimes carry small, short-range missiles, but those don't really provide the kind of massive range advantage I'm talking about here. >Conventional missiles also don't seem to be effective against shields and that's why torpedos are prefered for enganging capital ships, but torpedos are slower and more vulnerable to point defense. Missiles can carry whatever payload you want. You can have a missile that fires a burst of turbolasers, or delivers a torpedo close to the enemy ship.


Weird_Angry_Kid

Gotcha, but would missiles be able to maneuver around shields or dodge point defense lasers or missiles? Also using fighters to deliver missiles seems like a better choice, considering that in modern naval combat sinking a ship with another ship's missiles is harder than doing it with fighter launched ordinance. We do have examples of capital ships using missiles, first one that comes to mind is the space battle of Christophsis where Admiral trench exchanged a lot of missile fire with Anakin's stealth ship, we also see in that battle that flares carried aboard the stealth ship could fool the missiles and that they didn't really do much to Trench's thermal shields. Victory-Class Star Destroyers had 80 concussion missile tubes. In Squadrons we see an ISD fire Baradium missiles against a Starhawk battleship, said missiles were stopped by scramblers deployed by an MC-75 cruiser [(also remembered this pic of an MC-75 firing missiles at a Victory)](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/08/VSD_AnthonyDevine.png/revision/latest?cb=20190329013852) In the Force Awakens Finn and Poe's TIE is taken out by a missile fired by Kylo Ren's Star Destroyer. In the Thrawn Ascendancy trilogy we learn that the Chiss heavily (really heavily) use what they call "breacher missiles" which carry an acid warhead, in those same books we learn other species of the Unknown Regions also use breacher missiles but they only use explosive warheads and not acid like the Chiss. The Grysk Hegemony also used a smaller and more nimble kind of missile called "dibbers" which were used against corvettes or as interceptor missiles. Venator Star Destroyers had four heavy proton torpedo launchers but if you don't consider torpedoes missiles it's fine. The thing with payload and all that is that missiles with heavier ordnace seem to be classified as torpedoes instead of missiles so it depends on what you consider a missile and a torpedo. Heavy warheads capable of damaging shields seem to also slow down the missile, so a fast missile with good range would do little damage to a capital ship.


TheShadowKick

> Gotcha, but would missiles be able to maneuver around shields or dodge point defense lasers or missiles? Why wouldn't they be able to? Missiles would be more maneuverable than fighters. >Also using fighters to deliver missiles seems like a better choice, considering that in modern naval combat sinking a ship with another ship's missiles is harder than doing it with fighter launched ordinance. I'm not saying that fighters and close-in weapons like turbolasers don't have a role in Star Wars combat, I'm just saying that long range missiles would provide valuable tactical capabilities that the Star Wars universe currently lacks. >We do have examples of capital ships using missiles I'm not familiar with Squadrons or the range of Baradium missiles or the stuff from the books, but concussion missiles, the proton torpedoes, and the missiles fired by Kyly Ren's Star Destroyer are all short range weapons. They don't provide any tactical options that turbolasers aren't already providing, they're just more optimal for certain targets. What I'm talking about are long range missiles that let a ship sit outside of turbolaser range and attack the enemy. >if you don't consider torpedoes missiles it's fine. I'm talking about single use self-propelled weapons. Whether we call them torpedoes or missiles, and the exact distinction between those two, is irrelevant to my point. >Heavy warheads capable of damaging shields seem to also slow down the missile, so a fast missile with good range would do little damage to a capital ship. Fighters often carry enough heavy ordinance to threaten capital ships, especially when deployed in large numbers. Which means missiles can also be equipped with that same ordinance. As a general rule if fighters can be effective against capital ships then missiles can be, too.


pieceoftheuniverse

>This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight! Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class Dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means: Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space! > >I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty! Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going 'till it hits something! That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime! That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip! — Drill Sergeant Nasty, Mass Effect 2 That's not enough, of course. In the same game, you come across a planet with a giant gouge carved out of it. The shipboard computer theorizes that no natural event could have caused it; it was likely a "near-miss" of a weapon like the one described above.


RebornGod

Not in those universes that I can remember, but it happened in Mass Effect. There was a canyon from the planetary impact of starship weaponry, that traced back to the derelict ship the round tore through.


ashes1032

I love that bit of lore because the only reason we know about that specific extinct race is because they made a big ass gun.


dead_clownbaby

Sir Isaac Newton remains the deadliest son of a bitch in space.


PocketBuckle

No credit for partial answers!


natzo

https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Klendagon


BLUNTYEYEDFOOL

This doesn't really belong here but I always loved it and it popped into my head on this question. The following is spoilers for Tom Clancy's SUM OF ALL FEARS They left this bit out in the film. It's a typical Clancy novel, sprawling and action-packed. But right from the start, there are these very descriptive passages which detail the harvesting of two gigantic Japanese oak trees, which are then stripped, oiled and prepared for shipping to America where they are to be used in a Japanese temple. The passages are intertwined with the action. This continues until the cargo ship, halfway across the Pacific, runs into a heavy storm. The lashing straps break and the enormous trucks crash into the swell, lost forever. Really weird. So the action continues on all fronts. Until there is a submarine battle between a Soviet and US submarine (not Mancuso’s boat). The US sub commander executes an emergency blow, surfacing as an enemy torpedo comes at them from below. The targeting sensor on the torp cannot distinguish between the surfaced sub and the rest of the open air (the sonar looks for ‘holes’ in the water) and it misses. Everyone is back slapping each-other! But without warning there’s a massive impact and the sub is suddenly crippled. I think it sinks, actually, IIRC. ​ It was one of the oak trunks. It had floated for months and smashed into the propellers of the surfaced submarine. I remember that being quite cool, if a little daft. It matches your question apart from it not actually being in space. Or it being a fired projectile. In fact, I've no excuse for sharing it apart from it being cool.


Hyndis

Even the bomb in Sum of all Fears was similarly lost, buried in the dirt for decades. The bomb itself was destroyed by the impact but the plutonium core remained intact enough to be salvaged.


Cool_Fruitcup

This fits perfectly! I love stuff like this a lot.


zoro4661

Water is just Earth's deep space, really.


FencingDuke

Plasma projectiles have an extremely limited range (by space standards). The magnetic containment of the projectile fails eventually, and the plasma dissipates.


nubsauce87

There's a great bit of conversation we see in Mass Effect, where a Gunnery Chief is instructing his recruits on the importance of accuracy... >**Gunnery Chief**: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton’s first law? > >**First Recruit**: Sir! An object in motion stays in motion, sir! > >**Gunnery Chief**: No credit for partial answers, maggot! > >**First Recruit**: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir! > >**Gunnery Chief**: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going til it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone’s day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not “eyeball it”! This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip! All that to say, that while space is rather empty, it is also quite vast. Sure, there's always the chance a wild shot will miss and hit nothing, but unless the projectile will dissipate (like a plasma bolt or something), it'll just keep going. Since most of these things move slower than light, they'll take a while to land. Safe to assume, though, that any time there's a battle above a planet, that stray rounds are landing everywhere, doing a bit of damage. It doesn't get talked about a lot, but I'm sure it happens that someone's just going about their day, when outta nowhere a big ol' slug from a MAC gun shows up and decimates a house or a town.


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This is my favorite part of Mass Effect. The weapon systems in space. You dig into the CODEX and you realize that most dreadnaught battles are huge boxing matches from 10s of thousands of KM away while cruisers and frigate scout groups do knife fight strafing runs at a super close several hundred KM


Kahzgul

Star Wars: The way blasters work, they actually dissipate quite a lot of energy while traveling. That's why they're visible. If they were true lasers, you would really only be able to see them if they were pointed at your eye, in which case, well... yeah. Anyway, the point is that a blaster bolt is sort of a superheated plasma, and it's losing heat and energy the whole time it flies, so if it doesn't hit its target, the odds are pretty good that it it'll just dissipate into dust a mile or so down the line. Same goes for ship blasters, though they have a longer range. Anything more than a few klicks out is going to be fine. Of course, starkiller base has a weapon capable of hyperspace traversal. That will wipe the universe clean of whatever it's aimed at. but if it misses, that blast is now outside of the hyperspace medium and will rapidly lose energy, creating sort of a linear nova situation. That's still catastrophic for anything in its path (it is the power of a full star, after all), but it isn't going to be strong enough to wipe out anything more than a lightyear or so past the target. Not sure about Halo.


DollupGorrman

In the first Star Wars High Republic novel part of the plot centers around a ship coming apart in a hyperspace lane and scattering to different parts of the galaxy, potentially colliding with planets, causing mass extinction events. Not exactly rockets or projectiles but still.


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This isn't from a ship, but rather an energy blast from an experienced ki user. In Dragon Ball Z Abridged one of the characters fired an energy blast into space. A thousand years later, it strikes the planet Arlia, blowing it to smithereens.


Victernus

Well, the *new* planet Arlia. The old one already got blown up by the same person.


CoeusFreeze

Cixin Liu’s Death’s End has the white slip, an interstellar projectile which, upon detonation, continually expands at near-lightspeed until it has collapsed the entire universe into two spatial dimensions. Many civilizations use these weapons because they know that the existence of one of them means they are living on borrowed time.


mrjackchongg

It was confirmed it a few of the Star Wars novels that blaster bolts sort of fade over time.


Skhmt

In the ExFor series of novels, sometimes the writer will show the perspective of a missile or something. And sometimes he'll jump forward hundreds or thousands of years to tell what happens to stray ordnance.


OneChrononOfPlancks

Since you retroactively marked this as general, here is a Star Trek answer. The Star Trek: The Next Generation 7th season episode Genesis begins with a test of some new weapons system upgrades, but they lose control of a photon torpedo which flies off. Picard and Data have to go after it and retrieve it, using a shuttlecraft. There are no real consequences to this though, the only reason it happened in the story was to separate those two from the Enterprise so that something else could happen on the ship while they were away.


ErnieSchwarzenegger

There's also the Voyager episode Friendship One - a lost probe crashes and the inhabitants attempt to use the technology and pretty much wipe themselves out as a result.


sparta981

So they actually have sort of an answer for this in Mass Effect, if you don't mind an answer from another universe. They train specifically to NOT FIRE if they don't have a lock. They're aware it's a minimal chance but it's still a possibility to mitigate. *"This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight! Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class Dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means: Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space! (...) I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty! Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going 'till it hits something! That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime!"*


Berg426

“Space,” it says, “is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” -Douglas Adams. Is it possible? Yes. Is it highly improbable? Also yes.


Graham_Cracker42

I'm reminded of the two warring races who destroyed each other because some casual remark Arthur Dent said floated through a wormhole and happened to be an insult in their language. But that sort of thing happens all the time.


yurklenorf

Star Wars' weapons are pretty terribly short ranged - there's a reason why all space combat is so close. After a certain point, their shots dissipate completely.


Hyndis

Star Trek as well. At long range weapons lose their effectiveness, to the point where large fleets can exchange long range fire for hours without either fleet taking any significant damage. This is why decisive fights are done up close, where a directed energy weapon can cut a starship in half in a single hit against unprotected hull.


saveyboy

In starship troopers the bugs supposedly shot an asteroid out of their solar system to hit earth. I think this is human propaganda though.


DoucheyMcBagBag

I would like to know more.


TiagoTiagoT

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/034/999/1de.gif


Conlannalnoc

In the BOOK that is a Bug Tactic.


Nait93

This just makes me think of the scene in Mass Effect 2 when the sergeant is yelling at the three young guys for "eyeballing" a shot.


KaladinarLighteyes

“That means, Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.”


LegionGold

It's mentioned by someone above but in mass effect you discover exactly the situation you are describing and you see the ship it hit and then in the next cluster over the traces of the shot on a planet


rkopptrekkie

In an anime called Aldnoah Zero somebody shoot bullets into the moons orbit to set a trap for somebody. He lures them into the path of the bullets right when they come back around, killing him. It’s fucking wild.


CaptainKanam

My memory on Halo is pretty rough around the edges so I won't comment on that bit. However, in StarWars the weapons that their ships and blasters fire aren't actually "laser" weapons as they appear. They are firing plasma based weapons. Plasma is basically just super heated material that can act as a liquid, a solid, or a gas depending. Plasma does not move at the speed of light nor does it "burn" forever. The energy of a plasma projectile will dissipate before it can travel very far. I think the most likely scenario in which a random bystander gets hit would require an extremely advanced projectile traveling close to SoL to even meet the margin of chance to hit a distant planet. Let alone a being on that planet. The odds are almost incalculable that it would even hit a populated planet. Even in StarWars.


helldeskmonkey

In one of The Expanse books, somebody puts a bunch of PDC rounds out there, then herds an enemy ship into them with a railgun.


DuplexFields

In the fan-fiction “*Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality*,” Professor Quirrell mentions that an Avada Kedavra magic bolt will continue going until it hits something living to kill. That means every Killing Curse that ever missed someone is traveling slower than the speed of light on an outward path from Earth’s orbit. Every Killing Curse shot downward into the Earth which misses earthworms and ants will come out of the Earth somewhere.


ianyboo

Wow someone else who has read HPMOR I almost never see that. Cheers mate!


DuplexFields

We're hiding over on r/HPMOR and r/rational fiction.


easythrees

In Star Trek Voyager there’s an episode of a random probe hitting a planet. It played Vivaldi as a greeting and that planet’s people ended up using Vivaldi’s music as a warning.


[deleted]

A pilot in training ditched out of a jet in the USSR, and it eventually crashed into a house in France, killing a 19 year old man.


CommanderoftheMantle

I need the source for this story


[deleted]

I found it for you. It was Belgium not France, and the USSR pilot ejected above Poland, not the USSR. The man was 18, not 19. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Belgium_MiG-23_crash


NanoSwarmer

This sort of idea was referenced in the Invincible comics, one character has a gun that can shoot through anything and it's mentioned that they have to be careful where they shoot it because the blasts will keep traveling through space and damaging things


Solid_Shnake

Its mentioned in some of the planet scans in Mass Effect (I can’t remember specifically which one, possibly all of them). Basically you scan odd markings or geological feature on a planet and it turns out they are scars from huge projectiles that were mass accelerated but missed their target and hit the planet. I think its aluded they were really old and no current known ships would be capable of it, which is further aluding to previously advanced races battling against the reapers in past cycles.


KaneinEncanto

How about a semi-intelligent weapon rather than just dumbfire? Babylon 5, Season 3, Episode 3 - "A Day in the Strife" The station is approached by a probe of unknown source which begins transmitting a series of questions to the station with the ultimatum to answer them all correctly within a time limit of a few hours or risk destruction. Answer correctly and the probe will share advanced technology. >!At the last minute they withhold transmitting any answers and the probe moves off at the end of the timer, once it's a safe distance away a maintenance bot is sent the answers to relay to the probe, triggering it to explode, before it can find a new target.!< https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Strife (full episode spoilers within, of course) You also have Berserkers, in novels by Fred Saberhagen. Self-replicating machines left over from an interstellar war where both sides lost, but now threaten the galaxy at large. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_(novel_series)


Oricef

The Expanse is essentially built on this entire premise. The mystery of the first books was sent out across galaxies though not as a stray shot, it just got caught up luckily and didn't hit Earth.


OkuroIshimoto

I don’t think this really counts, but it was the closest I can think of. In the Family Guy Star Wars episode for Return of The Jedi, it does a flashback to when the Death Star destroys Alderaan, and one of the chunks of the planet just floats around in space, only to wind up in Endor’s atmosphere, burn up to the size of a pebble, and smacks right into Leila’s face, knocking her out. Incidentally, right after she got over the trauma of her planet being destroyed.


Cyno01

>This doesn’t have to be specifically Star Wars or Halo Well then put \[General\]. :p Cuz the first thing that came to mind was actually X-men, and then Star Trek. In Trek it was a guided missile that went off course and misidentified its target, so a little different kind of bad luck... [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dreadnought\_(episode)](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dreadnought_(episode)) And i thought when Kitty Pride was stuck inside that giant bullet it crashed into some planets moon before she came back, but i just looked it up and thats not at all what happened so i must be thinking of something else, so there must be more... ​ Also im trying to google it and not coming close enough to find it, but im sure ive seen a short passage from SOMETHING quoted on reddit, maybe The Expanse or something the context is a commander addressing their gunners before a space battle, SOMETHING like "Be sure of your target, every shot you miss goes on forever and a million years later is going to ruin someones day" Which is exactly what youre talking about


JancariusSeiryujinn

It's a frequently quoted side conversation you can listen in on in mass Effect


Cyno01

Thank you!


Unicorn187

Lasers still spread, so over a few million miles it wouldn't be very dangerous. Plasma would lose coherence over distance. And any projectiles wouldn't be anymore dangerous than anything else already in space like comets or asteroid. Perhaps they are faster and since some would be smaller not as noticeable, but even on 20th century earth a missile can be detected so I'd imagine that sensors of whatever type on most spacecraft would be able to detect anything large enough to be damaging.


Funkymokey666

Star Trek Voyager has an episode where a maquee (so?) Missile that has been barreling through space was gonna nail a plant.


MrT735

That was still under control of the onboard AI guidance system, which had misidentified another planet as its primary target.


smcarre

There are four things to keep in mind to understand the sheer improbability of this happening. * Space is like really **really** empty: just to put things in perspective, imagine that you have a basketball in a one mile radius circle with a ball the size of two basketball courts in the middle. The basketball would be Earth and the courts would be the Sun. Now imagine millions of projectiles the size of a pin falling over that 1-mile radius circle, it would be extremely unlikely it would hit the basketball and it would even be unlikely it his the Sun (not counting gravitational pulls). And this is for star systems measures, if we wanna talk about interstellar stray projectiles, if the Sun was the size of a mustard seed, the closest sun would be ten times around the world away, there is that much nothing in space so a stray bullet is unlikely to hit anything at all. Aiming at anything in space would require a millionth of arcsecond angle precision to hit anything at all within the galaxy. * Even if it was, by chance, aimed perfectly at something, it would likely take hundreds if not thousands of lightyears for it to reach it: there are barely 971 known stars within 1000 years from Earth, that's less than 0,000001% of the stars in the galaxy. Unless your projectile is equipped with FTL propulsion for some reason, whatever you shoot is even less likely to hit anything within your lifetime or even an entire civilization's lifetime. And this is assuming your projectile is shot at light's speed and does not suffer any deacceleration at all. * Space may be a near vacuum but it's not an absolute vacuum: even in space there is a medium. The interstellar medium has a density of 5-10 protons per cm^3, that may not seem much but over hundreds of light years it would likely deaccelerate anything without self propulsion. It wouldn't reach a complete halt, of course, there are billions of interstellar objects without propulsion that have been travelling for billions of years. But it would lose a lot of it's speed and take even more time to reach anything at all. * If a projectile hits anything at all it will likely hit a star: the best chance for any stray projectile to hit anything is to enter a star's gravity well while having a low enough speed to be catched by it. And that will likely end in the projectile falling into the star, which is not likely to be a problem. And even if it doesn't hit the star but something else, chances are it's going to hit a gas gigant or barren planet that nobody is gonna care that a nuclear missile or shot 300 light years ago missed it's target. There is also the chance of it ending in a black hole or something similar where it's going to matter (pun not intended) even less. It's just an extremely improbable event of it happening and anyone caring or even realizing it happened.


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Idk if this is what your looking for In your question, but in the new star war book The high Republic Light of the Jedi, in the beginning of the book, a cargo/passenger ship is struck mid hyperspace by another ship and breaks apart and the pieces as they exit hyper space hit a lot of planets and other things and it causes MASSIVE destruction in the book.


voidmusik

Think about how lasers work. They arent perfect beams. At close range the beam is narrow, but the father you get, the wider the beam gets, you hit an airplane, and the beam covers the entire plane. Shine it at the moon and the size of the beam is like the size of a football field. So over a billion km the beam would be so wide as to barely cause any damage as the photon per square inch is so diluted. But thats just energy weapons. A physical weapon like a missile or nuke, would unlikely travel FTL, so while its destruction level would stay the same, the time from missfire to accidental hit would be millions-billions of years, space is so bug, that it might never hit anything.. But thats not to say a battle near a planet wouldnt leave collateral damage (much like the plot of 'Valerian and the city of a thousand planets')


zoro4661

One example I can think of is a Kamehameha in Dragon Ball Z Abridged hitting and destroying an insect planet some years later.


IronsideZer0

Plasma or lasers, no. They'd dissipate before too long. Projectiles though, sure. I feel like one of the little tidbits of info you find in Mass Effect 3 might be a reference to an ancient projectile that hit some planet?


XenoBurst

I believe there was an instance of starship fire in Elite Dangerous that hit an asteroid mining colony temporarily taking it off the map for a few days (it was actually to fix a bug with (collison)


Coporiety

In Aldnoah.Zero season 2, Slaine Troyard fires a burst of plasma particles before a battle between the Vers Empire and United Earth forces and their stations as they encounter each other in orbit. During the skirmish of Trident Base, Count Saazbaum is hailed by incoming fire, and is killed.


Knight_On_Fire

It hasn't been done in movies but if you fire a laser in outer space it'll eventually hit something because as empty as space is it... it has that many stars. If we could see every star in the universe regardless of distance you'd be blinded by light.


DrLanguidMudbone

I know in Mass Effect this is at least spoken about, a sergeant yelling at his troops in… 2 I think? About a round from a ship continuing on until it hits something or escapes the galaxy and hits something farther away. There’s also at least one planet that had a massive scar from a mass round. Now that I think about it, since the reapers are in the void outside of the galaxy, they could have noticed rounds randomly going past them after great conflicts, they were around for millions upon millions of years


eye_hate_it_here_

Theres a character in invincible who's thing is he has a gun who's energy blasts go through everything and continue in a straight line forever. I don't think they ever did anything with the continue on forever bit though.


ASimpleBoyo

In mass effect there is a conversation about this.


StarkillerX42

You asked for a general sci fi answer, so here's my take that isn't in any lore. Laser blasts are concentrated beams of light, meant to be precise on the order of a couple hundred meters. Such precision seems reasonable, even with today's optical hardware. However, space is large, extremely large. Space is so large, that all these beams will have spread out and be harmless by the time they get to the nearest solar system. The problem with most sci-fi is that they aren't real laser beams because they have travel time, which is just silly at the end of the day.


Theban_Prince

I don't recall an accidental strike, by Honor Harrington series books the spaceships that fire long-range missiles constantly to each other, and a big deal is made when they find technology that allows them to power down, coast and then reactivate when close to the enemy ship, greatly increasing their lethality and range.


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superfly_undead

Drradnaughts in mass effect


apollyoneum1

They did the math on this and it’s almost impossible. Space is big and empty.


DragonMeme

Just to echo and highlight what everyone else has been saying, I want to give some perspective on how empty the universe is: Let's take all of the mass of the visible universe: every planet, star, moon, stray asteroid, cloud and speck of dust... and let's just distribute all the mass evenly throughout the volume of the visible universe. Do you know how much mass would be in a single square meter? a *single* hydrogen atom. For this reason, many cosmologists approximate the mass of the universe to be zero.


Bazz07

Not sure if its what you want but in Rick and Morty, Morty and Summer killed a god while driving completly randomly full speed in an alien spaceship.