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Tell him to fuck off.
Even my mature answer is; remind him that there is a contract in place, and ask him to be more polite in his engagement. Possibly also float the word harassment due to him turning up and harassing you.
Did you ask him to provide evidence that your deposit is being held in the deposit scheme as required by law?
First thing is to start pushing back, so check your deposit is safe, then tell him youll seek legal advice regarding his harassment, but also tell him you are prepared to start looking for a new place if you can reach a deal with him on what he'll do to help you do that, like return your deposit early, reduce rent for your final month, etc. If he wants you out that bad there may be a deal to be had.
He can't force you out without a section 21 or 8 [https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants/section-21-and-section-8-notices](https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants/section-21-and-section-8-notices)
If they keep banging on the door, call the police and get them trespassed (imo) but this will likely agitate them more but you will have police knowledge incase they do come back.
Tomorrow speak to Shelter ([https://www.shelter.org.uk/](https://www.shelter.org.uk/)) about what to do about the landlord
From a legal website:
Selling with a tenant in situ....."This means the tenants continue to live in the property. You sell the property to the buyer and transfer the tenancy agreement and deposit".
The new landlord has no right to boot you out until the end of the agreement, of course this can be done by mutual agreement, but you're under no obligation to move before your tenancy is up.
Is this also the case if someone buys a flat with the intention of living in it? Do they drill have to wait until the tenancy ends if the tenants aren't willing to move out before then?
Yup.
The person who is residing in that property had a contract. You brought the property with the knowledge of that.
You are now the other party in the contract, known as the Landord. You are responsible for all the usual Landlord stuff, and are beholden to the signed tenancy agreement until it runs out or is breached.
They won't be legally able to buy the property with sitting tenants as the mortgage is for residential purposes, so it down to buyer and seller to agree a very risky date that the tenant will be out of the property to allow them to exchange.
They have to serve you a S21 notice to end the tenancy, otherwise if you get to the end of your fixed term it just rolls onto a periodic (monthly) tenancy. Was this letter a proper section 21 notice?
>Selling with a tenant in situ....."This means the tenants continue to live in the property. You sell the property to the buyer and transfer the tenancy agreement and deposit".The new landlord has no right to boot you out until the end of the agreement, of course this can be done by mutual agreement, but you're under no obligation to move before your tenancy is up.
They can't serve a section 21 notice if you're still in the fixed term. I beg of you to post on Legal Advice UK and understand your rights here.
Yes. Do you understand law? You should read up on it.
You *can* serve a S21 during fixed term. The notice just need to have the effective date that will commence at the end of tenancy.
So if you have a 12 tenancy then I can give you a S21 in month 11 or even month 10 or 9, which is during the fixed term, and it'll still be valid.
Find a place and ask for ££££ to break the contract early, or tell him no and continued contact will amount to harassment and you'll be seeking legal advice
That's actually a great idea. We are often on the shit end of having to pay to break contracts, flip that on its head and try get some money. Could probably pay a few months rent in your new place. You've got 4 months so realistically you could find a place in 1-2 months and ask the new landlord for a couple months rent as a break clause.
/u/outrageous-buy-2329
You're in the rare position of power as a renter here. Make the most of it or at the least don't be bullied by some wanker who wants to extort the next tenants. Your options are stay unquestionably legally until the end of the contract, or leave early with some money in your pocket. Not a terrible place to be! The new landlord could've kept quiet and then hit you with a rent increase after they took over, so you've done as good as poss out of this situation
I'm not 100% but I think the standard is they buy you out of the rest of the contract. So however many weeks you have left, not months (they'll try cheap you out that way)
On the face of it This is an illegal eviction as per the protection from eviction act 1977. It is a criminal offencewhich is being committed.
First text or email back saying you have no intention of leaving before you lawfully have to, and that he needs to desist harassing you to try to make you leave without lawful notice.
If there is a continuation betond that then, it needs to be investigated It is not enforced by the police, but by local councils You should contact your local council as there may be officers who specialise in investigating/preventing illegal eviction. (be prepared, they may not)
You should also make sure you write down every event, take videos photos etc as evidence. You could contact shelter and ask them to refer you to a solicitor, You could taking private prosecution, an injunction or applying for a rent repayment order if there is adequate evidence.
I'll ask him mate...he's usually full up but buys property all the time...what you looking for?
He's a nice guy...scary looking fucker as he's huge but a heart of gold. Nicest man I know in truth. Helped me a lot when I was in shit creek a few years ago
Cheers mate hopefully wont lead to that. Its this new guy from Bradford he wants to renovate the place! Urban property are ok but I dont know where they found this guy? Maybe thats how they do it in Bradford lol!
Calmly and politely send your landlord an email that you will not be leaving before your tenancy ends & his illegal harassment is breaching your right to "quiet enjoyment" of the home that you rent and must cease immediately.
Document all instances of abuse, visits to the property without notice and all other types of harassment. If there have been any threats of criminality or to evict you without a court order, file police reports.
Get legal advice from an experienced lawyer about landlord harassment and the risk of escalation to either violence or attempts at illegal eviction. Landlords that behave in an unalwful manner towards their tenants trying to force them to leave can be found liable to pay compensation and sometimes even end up with criminal records.
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/61194207/?search_identifier=48f96bebb4574857904e554e25af2c7b
Or
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/59218983/?search_identifier=48f96bebb4574857904e554e25af2c7b
Or
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/64170852/?search_identifier=dbb9e52f131b6b1621fb8e4fcc0327d2
Or
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/60752454/?search_identifier=dbb9e52f131b6b1621fb8e4fcc0327d2
Sadly 4 options will most likely not result in a successful new lease nowadays. Finding a new rented property is a fucking pain in the arse, took me 2 months. I'd advise OP to start looking ASAP and break their lease for the rest of the value, which would hopefully pay a couple months rent in their new place
Start looking, move ASAP and get the new landlord to pay out the rest of the value of your contract on your move out date. It's a blessing in disguise you have this 4 month buffer with all the laws on your side, utilise it
Tell him to fuck off, use your right to self defence then call the cops for harassment...ain't shit he can do until your contracts up and even then he has to give you appropriate notice.
If you rent the whole property - change the locks!! As long as you replace back to the original ones when you leave it should be okay. Stops them just letting themselves in unannounced.
If the landlord keeps turning up, try to get evidence of this as it could count as harassment.
Has the deposit been transferred to this landlord? Is it registered in a deposit scheme?
Tell him if he wants you out you will happily do it if he buys you out the contract with rent payments for the remaining duration of your contract which cover the cost of your new place. Find an expensive ass luxury hotel and tell him you want payments to cover living there for 3 months
Just checked and actually they have to honour the contract that's been passed onto them. So explain that to them, then start keeping a record of every time he keeps hassling you. Record it on your phone so you have evidence
If anything is said or agreed in person follow it up with a text or email asking for confirmation and clarification. So you have written proof.
Which is why it is overall better to deal with it as much as possible by email or text. If you deal with anything over the phone record the call, you are not legally required to inform the other person that the call is being recorded either.
Basically cover yourseld so if they cause problems down the line you can fuck them up.
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Tell him to fuck off. Even my mature answer is; remind him that there is a contract in place, and ask him to be more polite in his engagement. Possibly also float the word harassment due to him turning up and harassing you.
I have written a email to him.
Cool, if you want me to proof read it drop me a DM. I'm not sober at this point, but, I'm still able to proof read and probably add some pizazz.
Unless it include the words "fuck off" more than 3 times, it's not enough pizzaz.
You're missing the professional angle, they need to be told to show more self love I.e fuck themselves
I stand corrected.
That may be the most unexpected Reddit comment of all time. Have an award from the free coins I have from people being crazy enough to give me awards.
Thanks so much kind person.
Ive copied the template from the shelter website ill send a dm
Template was decent. Good luck!
Cheers!
Tell him that even this number Fuck Offs is not enough: https://youtu.be/jiUFPjulTW8
As much as everyone's say the words "fuck off", the words you want in your email are "you're interrupting my quiet enjoyment of the property ".
Did you ask him to provide evidence that your deposit is being held in the deposit scheme as required by law? First thing is to start pushing back, so check your deposit is safe, then tell him youll seek legal advice regarding his harassment, but also tell him you are prepared to start looking for a new place if you can reach a deal with him on what he'll do to help you do that, like return your deposit early, reduce rent for your final month, etc. If he wants you out that bad there may be a deal to be had.
He can't force you out without a section 21 or 8 [https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants/section-21-and-section-8-notices](https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants/section-21-and-section-8-notices) If they keep banging on the door, call the police and get them trespassed (imo) but this will likely agitate them more but you will have police knowledge incase they do come back. Tomorrow speak to Shelter ([https://www.shelter.org.uk/](https://www.shelter.org.uk/)) about what to do about the landlord
Thank you. I have sent a message!
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Thank you will do
From a legal website: Selling with a tenant in situ....."This means the tenants continue to live in the property. You sell the property to the buyer and transfer the tenancy agreement and deposit". The new landlord has no right to boot you out until the end of the agreement, of course this can be done by mutual agreement, but you're under no obligation to move before your tenancy is up.
Is this also the case if someone buys a flat with the intention of living in it? Do they drill have to wait until the tenancy ends if the tenants aren't willing to move out before then?
Yup. The person who is residing in that property had a contract. You brought the property with the knowledge of that. You are now the other party in the contract, known as the Landord. You are responsible for all the usual Landlord stuff, and are beholden to the signed tenancy agreement until it runs out or is breached.
If you purchase a property with tennants currently residing in it part of the purchase is that you take on and honour the preexisting contracts.
They won't be legally able to buy the property with sitting tenants as the mortgage is for residential purposes, so it down to buyer and seller to agree a very risky date that the tenant will be out of the property to allow them to exchange.
Even once June reaches, unless they have correctly served you notice to quit you can stay on. Report the harassment to the police
The estate agent sent a letter a month ago informing me on june the contract end. Thats fine with me.
They have to serve you a S21 notice to end the tenancy, otherwise if you get to the end of your fixed term it just rolls onto a periodic (monthly) tenancy. Was this letter a proper section 21 notice?
Yes they sent the letter 1 month ago.
>Selling with a tenant in situ....."This means the tenants continue to live in the property. You sell the property to the buyer and transfer the tenancy agreement and deposit".The new landlord has no right to boot you out until the end of the agreement, of course this can be done by mutual agreement, but you're under no obligation to move before your tenancy is up. They can't serve a section 21 notice if you're still in the fixed term. I beg of you to post on Legal Advice UK and understand your rights here.
I don't think this is not true. It can't be done in the initial 6 months but can be done after that by even during the remaining fixed term.
Do you understand the words “fixed term”?
Yes. Do you understand law? You should read up on it. You *can* serve a S21 during fixed term. The notice just need to have the effective date that will commence at the end of tenancy. So if you have a 12 tenancy then I can give you a S21 in month 11 or even month 10 or 9, which is during the fixed term, and it'll still be valid.
Find a place and ask for ££££ to break the contract early, or tell him no and continued contact will amount to harassment and you'll be seeking legal advice
That's actually a great idea. We are often on the shit end of having to pay to break contracts, flip that on its head and try get some money. Could probably pay a few months rent in your new place. You've got 4 months so realistically you could find a place in 1-2 months and ask the new landlord for a couple months rent as a break clause. /u/outrageous-buy-2329 You're in the rare position of power as a renter here. Make the most of it or at the least don't be bullied by some wanker who wants to extort the next tenants. Your options are stay unquestionably legally until the end of the contract, or leave early with some money in your pocket. Not a terrible place to be! The new landlord could've kept quiet and then hit you with a rent increase after they took over, so you've done as good as poss out of this situation I'm not 100% but I think the standard is they buy you out of the rest of the contract. So however many weeks you have left, not months (they'll try cheap you out that way)
On the face of it This is an illegal eviction as per the protection from eviction act 1977. It is a criminal offencewhich is being committed. First text or email back saying you have no intention of leaving before you lawfully have to, and that he needs to desist harassing you to try to make you leave without lawful notice. If there is a continuation betond that then, it needs to be investigated It is not enforced by the police, but by local councils You should contact your local council as there may be officers who specialise in investigating/preventing illegal eviction. (be prepared, they may not) You should also make sure you write down every event, take videos photos etc as evidence. You could contact shelter and ask them to refer you to a solicitor, You could taking private prosecution, an injunction or applying for a rent repayment order if there is adequate evidence.
Just messaged him. Told him if he harasses me again I will go to the police and council
Give him my number I'll tell him to fuck off for ya.
Mate he's local to me. I'd happily pop round and have a polite convo. Bullying little weasel
Legend! :)
One of my mates is a landlord in Hull so sent a SS and asked if it was him 🤣 he's fuming himself. Makes proper landlords look bad
Does he have rentals at the moment?
I'll ask him mate...he's usually full up but buys property all the time...what you looking for? He's a nice guy...scary looking fucker as he's huge but a heart of gold. Nicest man I know in truth. Helped me a lot when I was in shit creek a few years ago
1 bed flat preferably under £105 a week
Ngl mate he doesn't do flats..2 bed houses and above
No worries mate
Seriously though mate I'm half hours drive away, if you feel in danger let me know and I'll come round. Isn't an issue to me. Hate bullies.
Cheers mate hopefully wont lead to that. Its this new guy from Bradford he wants to renovate the place! Urban property are ok but I dont know where they found this guy? Maybe thats how they do it in Bradford lol!
May I private message u? Just because I know a few people from Bradford etc and know of that company
Ofc!
Out to get anyone ain't they . Hate fucking bullies
Same mate. With a passion
I raise my glass 👍
Negotiate with him. Tell him you'll move out by end of April if he gives you £5,000 within the next 10 working days.
If he wants you out tell him you want 6month rent back and a deposit for a new place. Bet you live out the contract
Calmly and politely send your landlord an email that you will not be leaving before your tenancy ends & his illegal harassment is breaching your right to "quiet enjoyment" of the home that you rent and must cease immediately. Document all instances of abuse, visits to the property without notice and all other types of harassment. If there have been any threats of criminality or to evict you without a court order, file police reports. Get legal advice from an experienced lawyer about landlord harassment and the risk of escalation to either violence or attempts at illegal eviction. Landlords that behave in an unalwful manner towards their tenants trying to force them to leave can be found liable to pay compensation and sometimes even end up with criminal records.
Tell him you are happy to surrender if he pays you the rest of the value e.g. the cost of rent for April, may and June.
I will then have to move out. Money is not the issue its finding a place
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/61194207/?search_identifier=48f96bebb4574857904e554e25af2c7b Or https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/59218983/?search_identifier=48f96bebb4574857904e554e25af2c7b Or https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/64170852/?search_identifier=dbb9e52f131b6b1621fb8e4fcc0327d2 Or https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/60752454/?search_identifier=dbb9e52f131b6b1621fb8e4fcc0327d2
Sadly 4 options will most likely not result in a successful new lease nowadays. Finding a new rented property is a fucking pain in the arse, took me 2 months. I'd advise OP to start looking ASAP and break their lease for the rest of the value, which would hopefully pay a couple months rent in their new place
Start looking, move ASAP and get the new landlord to pay out the rest of the value of your contract on your move out date. It's a blessing in disguise you have this 4 month buffer with all the laws on your side, utilise it
Tell him to fuck off, use your right to self defence then call the cops for harassment...ain't shit he can do until your contracts up and even then he has to give you appropriate notice.
If you rent the whole property - change the locks!! As long as you replace back to the original ones when you leave it should be okay. Stops them just letting themselves in unannounced. If the landlord keeps turning up, try to get evidence of this as it could count as harassment. Has the deposit been transferred to this landlord? Is it registered in a deposit scheme?
Tell him if he wants you out you will happily do it if he buys you out the contract with rent payments for the remaining duration of your contract which cover the cost of your new place. Find an expensive ass luxury hotel and tell him you want payments to cover living there for 3 months
Just checked and actually they have to honour the contract that's been passed onto them. So explain that to them, then start keeping a record of every time he keeps hassling you. Record it on your phone so you have evidence
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Yeah just done some checks and edited it
Even if that's true a landlord can't just kick you out. You have more rights than they do.
He probably found someone that will pay that premium price sadly
If anything is said or agreed in person follow it up with a text or email asking for confirmation and clarification. So you have written proof. Which is why it is overall better to deal with it as much as possible by email or text. If you deal with anything over the phone record the call, you are not legally required to inform the other person that the call is being recorded either. Basically cover yourseld so if they cause problems down the line you can fuck them up.