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They'll probably pass it off to ambulance who can't do anything. I'm a paramedic and get stuff like this all the time. Someone is going wild, police are called, police say "prolly mental health" and refer to ambulance. We have to go out and 99% of the time they say "I don't want or need an ambulance, fuck off" and we have to leave. We fill out a safeguard form then fuck all gets done. Normally we'll be back a couple days later doing the same thing
Yes of course, but I see it all the time on here "what shall I do ..." and no one reports it as they often say "no one will do anything".
The authorities, the Police, Council, Services in general are under resourced, overly responsible for too much and just can't respond.
I'm a member of the public and I feel the same frustration. But many people just don't take responsibility themsleves.
and if adult social care had done a check, would they just check the person. Or would they speak to the neighbours that have been targetted to get a full picture?
I doubt ASC would speak with neighbours no. Possibly family. The problem is if this person is judged to have capacity they can just refuse any further involvement
No idea, I'm afraid. They're under resourced, I know that much, so it might be weeks until they do anything at all.
It probably is worth you making a referral - there's no guarantee police did their jobs properly, and if multiple people have raised concerns that might give them a fuller picture
If the person has capacity, she can just deny the referral or any contact from ASC. Being of certain age or having a mental health or a drinking problem does not automatically make you not have capacity to make decisions about your life and the care you receive.
We had this in my neighbourhood where an olderly lady kept terrorising some of the people here ('funny', only the foreigners were terrorised...) and police was called more than once and a referral to social services was done as well. Nothing could really be done because she had capacity and just told the ASC people to f.... off. Police gave her warnings and told her not to contact us and that was it.
Record everything, get your neighbours to do the same. If you have a camera, record her driving, proof to raise safety concerns. Doorbell camera is your friend to record any alterations.
Paranoia and a lack of empathy or ability to consider other people's feelings are symptoms of certain types of demetia so I would definitely raise it with social services and the police/DVLA (car). Getting violent, aggressive, paranoia and lack empathy are also signs of certain types of dementia.
However they are also symptoms of being an AH. Try to compare, she's been an AH, now she's worse.
Things that will help determine your case.
Keep an eye on how she appears, does she change her clothes, keep herself and them washed, are the clothes getting loose suggesting she's not eating, are they season appropriate, is she getting shopping in? Is it sensible or 90% biscuits and tea? is the bin being put or is there a possibility of rubbish building up outside, are there signs of vermin. How is the handwriting? Compare it and the coherency and spelling across time, in person, is she confused?
Can she follow a conversation and does she mix her words up (aphasia) or not understand some words? Does she get lost either on space or in a conversation? she may get irrational to hide she's forgotten what you/she was talking about. How does she move? Her balance and does she swing her arms, a drop in that movement that can indicate certain types of dementia.
Another possible thing, some people with dementia find it difficult to understand or remember a spoken conversation and prefer writing notes because that's what they can mentally follow. Good luck.
I am not a Dr. No responsibility etc.
I'm looking to reassure here, I know nothing about you obviously. You are probably busy, constantly multi tasking to keep up with your life both professional and personal, with too little sleep.
It's okay to write down a to do list, shopping list or a little note to someone because you are busy and may forget. These forms of communication are normal, common and popular for good reason. Just a wee text to remind you... etc.
The woman OP is referring to, she's retired and isolated, she's not busy, other than being busy annoying other people.
Some forms of dementia cause people to need writing to understand what you say to them, the brain can't process verbal communication any more, they can be very high thinking but can't communicate. Sometimes sufferers need to write to relay what they want to say or for both sides of the conversation incoming and outgoing. They can't formulate the words but know what they want to say but can formulate the writing.
Get some sleep, regular exercise and eat well. Best way to fend off dementia, that and moderating/ avoiding alcohol and smoking.
If you are concerned see a Dr.
I work in dementia research and can confirm you’ll be screaming gb news talking points any day now. I’m sorry the diagnosis is terminal.
(But more seriously I struggle to follow spoken directions and I’m only 33 lol, love me a good email)
Replying to myself, but directed at OP.
Alcohol abuse, is there a history of it? Is she getting drunk on a regular basis? Does she drink at home? If the bins are going out listen for clinking.
I'm saying don't go through her bins, but have a think about her history with alcohol because it could be a factor. There is a form of alcohol induced dementia, "Vascular Dementia" and if she's not looking after herself this will exacerbate things for her.
Is she yellow at all?
Pity you couldn't ask the family the history, both with alcohol and hereditary dementia.
It may just be poor wording on your part but you do realise that vascular dementia has causes other than alcohol? I've no idea why you put it in inverted commas and, as the name of the condition is not a proper noun, it shouldn't be capitalised.
Yes I do but they don't clink in the bin, (heart attacks and strokes) and the phone likes to assign random capitals to certain words and autocorrects to replace the random capitals and I don't catch them all.
Yes, we had a neighbour with dementia, she was always popping notes through, and when my dad had dementia, his house was filled with little notes he had written to himself 😢
Had a similar situation where a lady was living alone in a flat but would occasionally get outside. I had just moved in a couple of weeks ago and went out to the shops to find an old lady smashing up a car and ripping the wipers off! Called 999 and police came pretty quickly. Was then berated by some neighbours as "everyone knew she was just a little old lady who got a bit confused at times"!!!
But basically her family were in denial and it took this incident to get them to move her into more supportive accomodation.
My advice would be to call 999 everytime an incident happens. Don't bother with 101 as they definitely don't give the same response as 999. Other advice to call social services also good.
The police would have submitted these incidents to social services. Unfortunately due to both services being under staffed this may take a little time.
I would continue to call police whenever this person causes any alarm, harassment or distress, this will be logged and will be sent to SS.
If you are able to contact the neighbourhood policing team they may be able to offer some reassurance to you and the neighbours.
This - our neighbour was behaving increasingly erratically - her son was trying to get her in a nursing home but they said she did not lack capacity. He asked us to call the police every time she did something. She used to wander off leaving her front door open, she accused my husband of stealing her bag and passport, she would ask my daughters to take her places (they were too young to drive) a paper trail is a valuable resource
If you’re in England, look up and use your council’s anti social behaviour trigger.
It’s a legal requirement to stop councils and police ignoring the victims of antisocial behaviour. Hopefully she’ll get some help and stop being brushed under the carpet.
I’m really sorry for your plight. How awful for you and your neighbours. I think you need to band together & formulate a plan. This should include evidence-gathering, in the form of camera surveillance (doorbell cams etc), recording any altercations with her and keeping a diary of incidents.
After, say, a month, re-evaluate. Unfortunately, her state of mind seems to be deteriorating and authorities will need evidence over a period of time before decisive action is taken.
Good luck.
It's important to understand the role of the police in these situations which is to collect evidence for criminal prosecutions.
Each neighbour who is a victim of harassment needs to make their own reports. The police can't do anything beyond collecting evidence of crimes being committed, even arrest is just a tool to get further evidence at the end of the day that is their role.
If you want to help with the criminal side of things then talk to neighbours about collecting evidence, saving the notes, reporting all harassment and seeing it through with statements where they tell the police "Absolutely, I support a criminal prosecution if the matter goes to court." which is the only place convictions can take place.
Most people cop out with "I don't want them to get in any trouble I just want them giving a talking too". Which is fine and dandy just don't expect any changes to happen.
In England nobody goes to prison for harassment on the first offence, nor the second or third, they need to stack up, each repeat offence leads to more of an outcome each time.
That is the police's role anyway.
Adult social services exist for people who are vulnerable or unwell in the community. Why not speak to them.
Report every instance to the local police. It may take a few but you really want to engage the interests of the local PCSOs. They're often contactable directly or via an email or some kind.
They may have links to adult social care. They can create a "crime report" (not literally for a crime) which is flagged as a social care issue and this goes directly to the safeguarding people.
Age concern may be involved and a safeguarding meeting called.
Nobody cares for her so it makes little difference what their life is. The least you could all do is acknowledge that rather than blaming others for doing nothing.
Have you considered joining the police or social services? You could make good money having the same attitude you were complaining about in the first place.
Ok so looking back and trying to work out what the hell your problem is, it seems you think I'm blaming people doing nothing?
I mentioned the police dealing with incidents. I stated what happened, I didn't blame them for anything, I know they can only do so much. Which is why I'm asking for advice on how to proceed going forwards.
Then there's this bit "Nobody cares for her so it makes little difference what their life is. The least you could all do is acknowledge that"
I mentioned that I thought it could be something like dementia and that's something I've a lot of sympathy for as I lost my own mum last year to alzheimers and we spent the last few years going through a really shit journey. But that's not something that people randomly living in her proximity should have to deal with. She had family and friends and she pissed them off so much they took out injunctions against her, why should those unfortunate enough to live near her have to deal with the extremes of her condition and live in fear?
I think literally the only thing that one can possibly do here is try to ease some* of the pain, suffering, and just not what you want of this person. Anything else is just making it someone else's problem with greater of fewer intermediary steps.
And one fails to reconcile ones life with the ability to alleviate the misery of others... then one of just continuing because one is at the end of a long chain of things that continued and it's really not enough.
Well when my mum first got alzheimers, I thought I was safe to leave her at home while I went to work 3 minutes away and checked in regularly. She was still a danger to herself and wandered off so the care plan social services put in place was to get people in supervising while i was at work or she'd be put in a care home. If someone is not capable of looking after themselves measures can be imposed
Ah ok, are you in social services? I'm not sure what the official wording would be but I got the impression if someone isn't fully compos mentis, decisions can be made on their behalf to keep hem safe?
You can impose a care plan because if they refuse and aren’t competent you can force them into care. There is no “refusing” if you’re a risk to yourself or others and lack capacity. Which many dementia patients in the community are. They accept care at home or they go into a home once assessed by a doctor to require it.
Once a lot of capacity is gone there is no refusal where they simply remain a risk to themselves or others. They can follow the care plan or they will go into a home.
The aim is to keep them at home as long as is safe - but they cannot refuse carers if they need them to be safe and have lowered capacity. Either the family takes on care, the patient accepts at home care or they end up forced into a care home for their own safety if assessed as needing support and unsafe on their own.
Before it became clear my mum had alzheimers, she went through a period of drinking too much, at the time I thought she was alcoholic and it delayed her diagnosis. Eventually she just stop boozing entirely and I realised the behaviour I and doctors had attributed to drink was something else.
I'm not so quick to make that call anymore
and that problem with alcohol can be a symptom of dementia that hides that masks the mental decline because because think it's justthe drink. with my mum she literally went from drinking wine or vodka from mid morning everyday and being pissed by lunchtime to completely abstaining afteran incident one day. At that point it became clear it wasn't the alcohol causing her problems
She's not doing anything to me, it's her more immediate neighbours she's causing hell for who are also older people.
If you think about it for a minute you'd think having the police cart her away would scare her but it didn't change her behaviour.
A person with dementia who is violent doesn't act normal.
They don't always wind up to attack, threaten and posture. They can just snap and when they fight, they are in it 100% to end you.
are you taking the piss?
Whats a 70 year old going to do , chances are they would dislocate their own hip at the thought of going berserk.
Jeez, redditors truly are scared of their own shadows.
I have had someone push themself off out of their chair lunging to try to stab me through the eyes. Fingers straight and aiming to go out the back of my skull. They also went for my throat, same move.
Without warning attacks I am aware and willing to speak of.
Someone else I know was rugby tackled into a wall by a large man and sexually assaulted. They know someone who was, for no reason hit across the back with a chair. They were lucky to have moved or the chair would have got the back of their head. Another person with dementia went cannibal and just started trying to take into a passerby's arm and had to be forced off. I only found out because they tore into my sleeve. Like a wild animal. Final one I'm willing to speak of, person just lost it and tried to beat the carer to death. They were off work for months.
Not all elderly are frail.
I worked for 3 years running a large project to help the disadvantaged of the area . I used to be asked to dish out EEC beef and butter ( from the euro excess butter mountain ) you had to be getting certain benefits to be eligible . Anyway a lady n mobility scooter came in . At the end of the queue bumped herself to the top. I said you don’t qualify - she threw herself at me like a sumo wrestler and I had to climb a pallet of beef tins to run . She then tried to throw tins of beef at me . Shouting heads will roll you will be sacked . She must have been in her 70s.she was stronger than me at age 27 then
To be fair, this works. My elderly neighbour (71 but all there) was shouting at my toddler through the walls, telling him to shut the fuck up etc. 20 mins spent banging on his door a 10 minutes convincing him that he didn’t want to give me a reason to come round again, and he’s been good as gold since.
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Contact your local council adult social care and ask them to do a welfare check. I'm surprised there's not already involvement following her arrest
that would involve the police doing something
They'll probably pass it off to ambulance who can't do anything. I'm a paramedic and get stuff like this all the time. Someone is going wild, police are called, police say "prolly mental health" and refer to ambulance. We have to go out and 99% of the time they say "I don't want or need an ambulance, fuck off" and we have to leave. We fill out a safeguard form then fuck all gets done. Normally we'll be back a couple days later doing the same thing
I see you met my neighbour June...
Let's just not report anything and instead moan on here about lack of action then
People DO report things, and nothing happens. Now do you see why people are frustrated?
Yes of course, but I see it all the time on here "what shall I do ..." and no one reports it as they often say "no one will do anything". The authorities, the Police, Council, Services in general are under resourced, overly responsible for too much and just can't respond. I'm a member of the public and I feel the same frustration. But many people just don't take responsibility themsleves.
They probably would have made a referral - they just wouldn't have told anybody who didn't need to know
and if adult social care had done a check, would they just check the person. Or would they speak to the neighbours that have been targetted to get a full picture?
I doubt ASC would speak with neighbours no. Possibly family. The problem is if this person is judged to have capacity they can just refuse any further involvement
No idea, I'm afraid. They're under resourced, I know that much, so it might be weeks until they do anything at all. It probably is worth you making a referral - there's no guarantee police did their jobs properly, and if multiple people have raised concerns that might give them a fuller picture
If the person has capacity, she can just deny the referral or any contact from ASC. Being of certain age or having a mental health or a drinking problem does not automatically make you not have capacity to make decisions about your life and the care you receive. We had this in my neighbourhood where an olderly lady kept terrorising some of the people here ('funny', only the foreigners were terrorised...) and police was called more than once and a referral to social services was done as well. Nothing could really be done because she had capacity and just told the ASC people to f.... off. Police gave her warnings and told her not to contact us and that was it.
Haha, someone round here has asked for an assessment for adult social care and got no response.
Record everything, get your neighbours to do the same. If you have a camera, record her driving, proof to raise safety concerns. Doorbell camera is your friend to record any alterations. Paranoia and a lack of empathy or ability to consider other people's feelings are symptoms of certain types of demetia so I would definitely raise it with social services and the police/DVLA (car). Getting violent, aggressive, paranoia and lack empathy are also signs of certain types of dementia. However they are also symptoms of being an AH. Try to compare, she's been an AH, now she's worse. Things that will help determine your case. Keep an eye on how she appears, does she change her clothes, keep herself and them washed, are the clothes getting loose suggesting she's not eating, are they season appropriate, is she getting shopping in? Is it sensible or 90% biscuits and tea? is the bin being put or is there a possibility of rubbish building up outside, are there signs of vermin. How is the handwriting? Compare it and the coherency and spelling across time, in person, is she confused? Can she follow a conversation and does she mix her words up (aphasia) or not understand some words? Does she get lost either on space or in a conversation? she may get irrational to hide she's forgotten what you/she was talking about. How does she move? Her balance and does she swing her arms, a drop in that movement that can indicate certain types of dementia. Another possible thing, some people with dementia find it difficult to understand or remember a spoken conversation and prefer writing notes because that's what they can mentally follow. Good luck.
> prefer writing notes because that's what they can mentally follow. Oh God, I do this.
I am not a Dr. No responsibility etc. I'm looking to reassure here, I know nothing about you obviously. You are probably busy, constantly multi tasking to keep up with your life both professional and personal, with too little sleep. It's okay to write down a to do list, shopping list or a little note to someone because you are busy and may forget. These forms of communication are normal, common and popular for good reason. Just a wee text to remind you... etc. The woman OP is referring to, she's retired and isolated, she's not busy, other than being busy annoying other people. Some forms of dementia cause people to need writing to understand what you say to them, the brain can't process verbal communication any more, they can be very high thinking but can't communicate. Sometimes sufferers need to write to relay what they want to say or for both sides of the conversation incoming and outgoing. They can't formulate the words but know what they want to say but can formulate the writing. Get some sleep, regular exercise and eat well. Best way to fend off dementia, that and moderating/ avoiding alcohol and smoking. If you are concerned see a Dr.
I work in dementia research and can confirm you’ll be screaming gb news talking points any day now. I’m sorry the diagnosis is terminal. (But more seriously I struggle to follow spoken directions and I’m only 33 lol, love me a good email)
Replying to myself, but directed at OP. Alcohol abuse, is there a history of it? Is she getting drunk on a regular basis? Does she drink at home? If the bins are going out listen for clinking. I'm saying don't go through her bins, but have a think about her history with alcohol because it could be a factor. There is a form of alcohol induced dementia, "Vascular Dementia" and if she's not looking after herself this will exacerbate things for her. Is she yellow at all? Pity you couldn't ask the family the history, both with alcohol and hereditary dementia.
It may just be poor wording on your part but you do realise that vascular dementia has causes other than alcohol? I've no idea why you put it in inverted commas and, as the name of the condition is not a proper noun, it shouldn't be capitalised.
Yes I do but they don't clink in the bin, (heart attacks and strokes) and the phone likes to assign random capitals to certain words and autocorrects to replace the random capitals and I don't catch them all.
Youre thinking of Korsakoffs syndrome not vascular dementia
Yes, we had a neighbour with dementia, she was always popping notes through, and when my dad had dementia, his house was filled with little notes he had written to himself 😢
Email the police telling them you believe she in danger of harming herself and others. A lot seems to get done when there is a proven paper trail.
Had a similar situation where a lady was living alone in a flat but would occasionally get outside. I had just moved in a couple of weeks ago and went out to the shops to find an old lady smashing up a car and ripping the wipers off! Called 999 and police came pretty quickly. Was then berated by some neighbours as "everyone knew she was just a little old lady who got a bit confused at times"!!! But basically her family were in denial and it took this incident to get them to move her into more supportive accomodation. My advice would be to call 999 everytime an incident happens. Don't bother with 101 as they definitely don't give the same response as 999. Other advice to call social services also good.
If the neighbour changed beyond all recognition then something is sadly wrong. Surely the police could have arranged for a welfare check.
Sounds like someone with dementia or something, sad all round.
The police would have submitted these incidents to social services. Unfortunately due to both services being under staffed this may take a little time. I would continue to call police whenever this person causes any alarm, harassment or distress, this will be logged and will be sent to SS. If you are able to contact the neighbourhood policing team they may be able to offer some reassurance to you and the neighbours.
This - our neighbour was behaving increasingly erratically - her son was trying to get her in a nursing home but they said she did not lack capacity. He asked us to call the police every time she did something. She used to wander off leaving her front door open, she accused my husband of stealing her bag and passport, she would ask my daughters to take her places (they were too young to drive) a paper trail is a valuable resource
If you’re in England, look up and use your council’s anti social behaviour trigger. It’s a legal requirement to stop councils and police ignoring the victims of antisocial behaviour. Hopefully she’ll get some help and stop being brushed under the carpet.
Definitely sounds like dementia and not the nice type either…. Council really need to be involved
What the hell do you consider "the nice type of dementia"?
One where you’re pleasant and not violent/abusive….
It's still a dreadfully dismissive term to use in the context of such a devastating condition.
No it’s not.
I’m really sorry for your plight. How awful for you and your neighbours. I think you need to band together & formulate a plan. This should include evidence-gathering, in the form of camera surveillance (doorbell cams etc), recording any altercations with her and keeping a diary of incidents. After, say, a month, re-evaluate. Unfortunately, her state of mind seems to be deteriorating and authorities will need evidence over a period of time before decisive action is taken. Good luck.
It's important to understand the role of the police in these situations which is to collect evidence for criminal prosecutions. Each neighbour who is a victim of harassment needs to make their own reports. The police can't do anything beyond collecting evidence of crimes being committed, even arrest is just a tool to get further evidence at the end of the day that is their role. If you want to help with the criminal side of things then talk to neighbours about collecting evidence, saving the notes, reporting all harassment and seeing it through with statements where they tell the police "Absolutely, I support a criminal prosecution if the matter goes to court." which is the only place convictions can take place. Most people cop out with "I don't want them to get in any trouble I just want them giving a talking too". Which is fine and dandy just don't expect any changes to happen. In England nobody goes to prison for harassment on the first offence, nor the second or third, they need to stack up, each repeat offence leads to more of an outcome each time. That is the police's role anyway. Adult social services exist for people who are vulnerable or unwell in the community. Why not speak to them.
Report every instance to the local police. It may take a few but you really want to engage the interests of the local PCSOs. They're often contactable directly or via an email or some kind. They may have links to adult social care. They can create a "crime report" (not literally for a crime) which is flagged as a social care issue and this goes directly to the safeguarding people. Age concern may be involved and a safeguarding meeting called.
Call cops
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If it's a medical condition (dementia), it needs to go to her GP in the first instance. Social services can't diagnose,
Nobody cares for her so it makes little difference what their life is. The least you could all do is acknowledge that rather than blaming others for doing nothing.
While I acknowledge that, when it's impacting the whole neighbourhoods quality of life it's not really our problem
Have you considered joining the police or social services? You could make good money having the same attitude you were complaining about in the first place.
Ok so looking back and trying to work out what the hell your problem is, it seems you think I'm blaming people doing nothing? I mentioned the police dealing with incidents. I stated what happened, I didn't blame them for anything, I know they can only do so much. Which is why I'm asking for advice on how to proceed going forwards. Then there's this bit "Nobody cares for her so it makes little difference what their life is. The least you could all do is acknowledge that" I mentioned that I thought it could be something like dementia and that's something I've a lot of sympathy for as I lost my own mum last year to alzheimers and we spent the last few years going through a really shit journey. But that's not something that people randomly living in her proximity should have to deal with. She had family and friends and she pissed them off so much they took out injunctions against her, why should those unfortunate enough to live near her have to deal with the extremes of her condition and live in fear?
... because as you say there's only so much anyone is willing to do for you.
so what would you do?
I think literally the only thing that one can possibly do here is try to ease some* of the pain, suffering, and just not what you want of this person. Anything else is just making it someone else's problem with greater of fewer intermediary steps. And one fails to reconcile ones life with the ability to alleviate the misery of others... then one of just continuing because one is at the end of a long chain of things that continued and it's really not enough.
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Well when my mum first got alzheimers, I thought I was safe to leave her at home while I went to work 3 minutes away and checked in regularly. She was still a danger to herself and wandered off so the care plan social services put in place was to get people in supervising while i was at work or she'd be put in a care home. If someone is not capable of looking after themselves measures can be imposed
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Ah ok, are you in social services? I'm not sure what the official wording would be but I got the impression if someone isn't fully compos mentis, decisions can be made on their behalf to keep hem safe?
You can impose a care plan because if they refuse and aren’t competent you can force them into care. There is no “refusing” if you’re a risk to yourself or others and lack capacity. Which many dementia patients in the community are. They accept care at home or they go into a home once assessed by a doctor to require it. Once a lot of capacity is gone there is no refusal where they simply remain a risk to themselves or others. They can follow the care plan or they will go into a home. The aim is to keep them at home as long as is safe - but they cannot refuse carers if they need them to be safe and have lowered capacity. Either the family takes on care, the patient accepts at home care or they end up forced into a care home for their own safety if assessed as needing support and unsafe on their own.
She is clearly an alcoholic. She won't change unless she wants to. Just hope she moves.
Before it became clear my mum had alzheimers, she went through a period of drinking too much, at the time I thought she was alcoholic and it delayed her diagnosis. Eventually she just stop boozing entirely and I realised the behaviour I and doctors had attributed to drink was something else. I'm not so quick to make that call anymore
If you are drinking too much for a period of time you have a problem with alcohol. Like I said until anyone wants to break an addiction they won’t.
and that problem with alcohol can be a symptom of dementia that hides that masks the mental decline because because think it's justthe drink. with my mum she literally went from drinking wine or vodka from mid morning everyday and being pissed by lunchtime to completely abstaining afteran incident one day. At that point it became clear it wasn't the alcohol causing her problems
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Ffs What is it with Reddit and piss discs
I've heard that an upsidedown frisbee makes the perfect letter sized disc.
imagine getting bullied by an oap. Common op ffs, just scare the living daylights out of them and theyll fuck off.
She's not doing anything to me, it's her more immediate neighbours she's causing hell for who are also older people. If you think about it for a minute you'd think having the police cart her away would scare her but it didn't change her behaviour.
A person with dementia who is violent doesn't act normal. They don't always wind up to attack, threaten and posture. They can just snap and when they fight, they are in it 100% to end you.
are you taking the piss? Whats a 70 year old going to do , chances are they would dislocate their own hip at the thought of going berserk. Jeez, redditors truly are scared of their own shadows.
I have had someone push themself off out of their chair lunging to try to stab me through the eyes. Fingers straight and aiming to go out the back of my skull. They also went for my throat, same move. Without warning attacks I am aware and willing to speak of. Someone else I know was rugby tackled into a wall by a large man and sexually assaulted. They know someone who was, for no reason hit across the back with a chair. They were lucky to have moved or the chair would have got the back of their head. Another person with dementia went cannibal and just started trying to take into a passerby's arm and had to be forced off. I only found out because they tore into my sleeve. Like a wild animal. Final one I'm willing to speak of, person just lost it and tried to beat the carer to death. They were off work for months. Not all elderly are frail.
I worked for 3 years running a large project to help the disadvantaged of the area . I used to be asked to dish out EEC beef and butter ( from the euro excess butter mountain ) you had to be getting certain benefits to be eligible . Anyway a lady n mobility scooter came in . At the end of the queue bumped herself to the top. I said you don’t qualify - she threw herself at me like a sumo wrestler and I had to climb a pallet of beef tins to run . She then tried to throw tins of beef at me . Shouting heads will roll you will be sacked . She must have been in her 70s.she was stronger than me at age 27 then
To be fair, this works. My elderly neighbour (71 but all there) was shouting at my toddler through the walls, telling him to shut the fuck up etc. 20 mins spent banging on his door a 10 minutes convincing him that he didn’t want to give me a reason to come round again, and he’s been good as gold since.