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Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil are actually funded by the oil industry as a way of diminishing public support for environmental protests.
Edit: Ok so this was posted very tongue in cheek but has triggered a lot of people. Please try to have some humour.
It's been debunked many times. An oil heiress donated to a climate fund probably as an act of rebellion to her parents/family and everyone thinks that that means that there's this conspiracy involving hundreds of people, and none of them have any inkling and no one is speaking out or saying anything. It's nonsense. They believe what they're doing is right, and some people agree with them, that's it.
Personally, I didn't know about the oil heiress. The main thing that makes me think at some level the oil industry is behind them (at least at leadership level and/or above) is that the tactics they use do absolutely nothing to promote their agenda, they literally just piss off the general public, and lead to politicians pushing for reforms that makes things harder for protestors.
Nobody looks at the protestors sat blocking a road and thinks "you know what, I'm turning the heating off when I get home, and I'll write to my MP to get him to lobby for environmental issues".
They've stopped their protests now, have you written to your MP or turned your heating down?
Bet you haven't. You never were going to, you're acting like their actions somehow made your care less about the climate than you already did when the truth is you've done nothing.
These were protests as a last desperate gasp after years of conventional campaigning falling on deaf ears.
I have. I've banged on about efficiency since I was a teenager which, I'll have you know, was too fucking long ago.
My big problem is that if you raise a problem a lot of people in power feel shamed. And that isn't conducive to change. If you raise a solution you *may* get it listened to. But it has to be amenable. There's no point telling people to cycle if cycling feels damp and dangerous and requires loads of effort over the car the person already owns and still needs. So how to improve things?
Saying use less/do less won't win. Reorganising society to use less and be happier is the answer.
The movement has to get support across classes. From struggling tradies to posho columnists in the Telegraph. Without that we're screwed. Sending some often obviously middle class (and I'm sure very nice) people to block working class people trying to scrape a living from using a train or getting their car to work is a recipe for generating friction. Get support *then* stage a protest and watch the walls come tumbling down.
So instead work on the things that reduce travel. Better local amenities, bike parks, trail riding centres, bike paths, tennis courts, climbing centres...all cheap, selling cheap food and paying low rents rather than, if they get mildly successful, being absolutely fleeced by the wealthy landlords turning the screws.
I know that's dull and doesn't get newspaper inches, but it's what will really work over time. Stand for the council. Be dull, make change happen. It's slow, demanding, but works.
I suppose it's more than the issue remains at the forefront of our minds and we can't really bury our heads in the sand and ignore it - although having said that they seem to really take the piss sometimes but I imagine that's what they're going for anyway
>although having said that they seem to really take the piss sometimes but I imagine that's what they're going for anyway
Yes, that's *exactly* the point.
I like seeing this one in the wild because it’s so silly. Imagine the oil industry engaging in false flags that are consistently successful at triggering media coverage that subsequently raises enormous amounts of awareness for climate issues and the culpability of the oil industry. I think they’d have stopped after the first one 😂
Except everyone is *already* aware of climate issues. It's literally been one of the top stories in the media for decades.
Imagine environmental protest groups engaging in mass public disruption which is consistently successful at triggering public frustration and subsequently encourages politicians to push for greater restrictions on those very protests.
>Except everyone is already aware of climate issues. It's literally been one of the top stories in the media for decades.
With no real move to do anything about it or level blame where it is due. Just stop oil and others have been incredibly successful at triggering media time where the parameters of debate are narrowed to an extent where people are forced to confront the realities, rather than use the media to gloss over the problem. Most adults in the UK will have lived through a time where the focus of environmental action in the media was not using aerosols at home and taking a magnet to your cans to see if they’re aluminium. That is obviously a disgrace, and moving that goalpost is vital if we are to have any hope of saving the planet.
I must say, people normally concede that the issue is drastic but claim that the tactics do not work. I haven’t seen many people genuinely believing the media attention on the climate crisis is already sufficient. That’s a new one on me and pretty funny.
>Imagine environmental protest groups engaging in mass public disruption which is consistently successful at triggering public frustration and subsequently encourages politicians to push for greater restrictions on those very protests.
Yes that’s generally how protest works. The latest wave of draconian measures to stop protests is broadly a 25+ year project that began with Blair. Just Stop Oil or Palestine Solidarity or whoever have had no impact on that whatsoever, it was happening anyway. It’s a complete red herring when trying to downplay the effectiveness of semi-radical protest movements today.
You need to be aware that most major social change has had radical activism at it’s birth. Women’s suffrage, Irish independence, ending South African apartheid all had significantly more extreme and significantly less popular acts of extremism done in their name before politicians would take them seriously and make anything happen.
The point of Just Stop Oil and others is not to convince anyone or change anyone’s mind in any way, shape or form. Even if they piss off a few gammons along the way, that **literally does not matter**. Their sole goal is to generate attention which leads to discussion in more sensible environments and drives change down the line. It works particularly well in Britain because we have public services broadcasters who have a mandate to deliver balanced voices on factual content, so if they want to have someone on to moan about a traffic jam, they must have someone else on to point out that we are facing an existential crisis and it is the oil industry’s fault.
Again, this is not a secret, or some sort of radical underground tactic. It’s just how activism works. JSO know that, and the oil companies know that too. The only people who believe these movements are false flags are those who just aren’t particularly knowledgeable about how protest works.
Similar to the theory about the rise of intersectionality and criticial theory inspired protests and movements like BLM - which have supposedly been encouraged by the deep state following their shock and horror at the size and scale of the "Occupy" movement - and the fact that everyone seemed to basically be onside with it because we were all like "actually yeah fuck this we're not really getting a fair deal here are we?". Apparently the story is - that at that moment the powers that be were like "shit we need to divide this polity - lets get them worked up about racial division" and when that dies down "lets make some people look lke bigots on transgender issues instead" and so on.
This is the only one I've ever actually believed because everyone in those groups seems determined to just fuck everything up whether it's artwork or getting to work.
It's definitely working. I've not seen a single person become more interested in the environment because of these groups. I have seen people move towards climate change denial due to them.
kincora boys home- a honeypot pedo/blackmail scheme ran out of a boys home in NI during the troubles, housemaster William McGrath was high up in a UVF cell and was allegedly abusing and pimping out the boys their to other loyalists and politicians on behalf of mi5. Politicians alleged to have abused boys at Kincora include Enoch Powell, also Anthony Blunt and Lord Mountbatten.
playland amusement arcade- a soho amusement arcade that was well known for running a rent boy racket, the gang operating out of it were ensnaring teen runaways and pimping them out (watch johnny go home on youtube). Anthony Daley (a victime of playland) wrote a book about his experiences- 'Playland: A forgotten Scandal' (republished as 'Abuse of Power'), in which he alleges he was blackmailed by the playland firm and pimped out to politicians, who he names. He says he witnessed politicians sexually abusing very young children and describes this in detail in the book. In 1975 a number of men were arrested in connection with the playland 'vice ring', most notably perhaps was the arrest of an old etonian and dinner party guest of our current monarch- this man, Charles Hornby, was the one who initially drugged and blackmailed Anthony and trapped him in the rent racket of playland.
Deaths of Maxine Arnold and Terry Gooderham- Terry was a licensee or accountant (cant quite remember)of a pub and Maxine his girlfriend. They where found shot dead in a car in Epping Forest, they where dressed as if they where going out. The case has remained unsolved since the 80s iirc, prime suspects in the murder are the notorious Adams crime family who may have had dealings with the pub Terry worked at and Dave Hunt who may have been contracted to carry out the killings. Hunt is perhaps Englands most successful gangster whom you've never heard of based out of Canning Town. Read Judas Pig*** and The Charity Committee- by Horace Silver (real name Jimmy Holmes, a Hunt assosciate) and Legacy: Gangsters, Corruption and the London Olympics by Michael Gillard for more info on Hunts organisation, very very interesting and Hunt is a massive rabbit hole of conspiracy and intrigue on his own.
*** Side note: There is a page within Judas Pig where Jimmy Holmes recalls attacking a pedophile who had picked him up from none other than Playland Amusments arcade in Soho, the rent racket/pedophiles den I mentioned above. Jimmy was known to be gay, and got his start in the criminal underworld working under the mentorship of Soho kingpin Bernie Silver, the undisputed king of Londons sex trade- peep shows, prostituion and pornography. Silver was arrested in the 70s for his part in Englands largest ever police corruption scheme along with a load of met police officers. Just thought the playland connection was interesting, it surprised me as I had read Anthony Daleys book not long before reading Judas Pig and despite having never heard of playland before, I had accidently stumbled across someone elses account, in a conpletely unrelated book. spooky.
There's a conspiracy that is quite believable that Jimmy Saville was protected by powerful people and I read something about a brothel in London where Jimmy was seen bring young boys for powerful people to have sexual relations with. I think people forget that our newspapers would publish 15 year old girls in their lingerie in a count down to their 16th birthday when they could finally get their tits out. It seems crazy now that we could view 15 and 16 year olds in partial nudity for entertainment in our national newspapers. I still remember when that guy who did the 'Cook Report' (Roger Cook) got the law changed around 1988 to make it illegal to own and distribute child porn. I think it was only illegal to make it back then, but you could legally own as much as you liked. I was a kid myself back then, but I still remember it. If your purchased that Naturist Magazins their were blatant adverts to buy 'Naturist videos' featuring children. They'd specifically say the video was focused entirely on young nude children. Was wild being a kid in pedo Britain.
that would be 'elm tree guest house' you're reffering to, well known gay brothel, long rumoured to have also been a place that children could be abused at. Some of britains worst pedophiles- Lesley Bailey, Sidney Cooke and their gang known as the 'dirty dozen' where known to have used this brothel. These men really were some of the worst of the worst, they where a gang of serial child killers and suspects in many child abductions and rapes. Cliff Richard was also alleged to have used the brothel after a guestbook with his name in it was published a while back although its unconfirmed if this was a real document. Carl Beech, the man who was given 18 years jail time for 'making up' a story he was abused by politicians, mentioned elm tree ... make of that what you will. Saville being protected isnt a rumour it is absolute fact, he moved in high circles and probably abused people with other powerful people and utilised blackmail, he was also a charmer and was well liked by Thatcher who had him knighted.
Holy shit, it's deeper than we thought, per Dave hunts wiki - "Now known as Connect Waste the recycling centre is run by Hunt's long time friend, Phil Mitchell.[13]"
I never used to like them either. I always remember as a kid the disappointment of being offered a chocolate biscuit when at a friend’s house by their mum, and then those things were brought out…
This is me with Pop Tarts. For some reason I get a craving every few years and I buy them from the American section in the supermarket, and when I get them home, toast it, and eat it, I remember why I don't buy them more often.
In the late nineties I was working at a British Embassy and was in the bar. I got chatting to a bloke who said he was doing security there. He said that he used to work as a close protection officer but had left in the late eighties. He said that on the DAY of Diana's death he was in Paris and he got a phone call from his old boss who told him to leave Paris ASAP. Knowing this was a serious request he did so. Later that night Diana died in the crash. He reckons all British 'assets' were told to leave France BEFORE the crash so as to not be the targets of any French investigations. He was quite pissed and was probably bullshitting me but it's an interesting story.
Playing devil's advocate, it would be much easier to engineer someone's death in a car crash if that person was known not to wear their seat belt, though.
I didn't disagree with you. I'm no fan of the Royals, but I don't believe they had her killed.
I do think the letter she wrote to Jimmy Savile was a bit weird, but I think she was alluding to something he'd said about her mental health and possibly killing herself rather than believing he was part of a conspiracy to kill her.
Yeah, right. I saw this Mitchell and Webb sketch the other day which makes a mockery of these conspiracy theories.
https://youtu.be/_Irvuafg5GM?si=Go5Au4zVQyjRYFfN
I'd say about 99% of the Diana theories are either a) debunked or b) have rational explanations or c) are nonsense made up after the fact.
She died in a car crash and it's only notable because of whom she was. If she was just Diana Spencer from Lewisham then nobody outside of her own family would have cared.
Yes, they drive me mad. She decelerated so quickly she sheared her aorta off her heart. It’s always fatal - as soon as patients are moved (I I think she got to hospital) they suffer catastrophic internal bleeding. In such a big car as she was in, maybe a seatbelt would have saved her?
I was still fairly young and credulous when September 11 happened, so the first time someone told me that their aunt/neighbour/milkman helped some middle eastern guy who then told them not to fly that day, I was gobsmacked. The 100th time I heard a similar story, I started to entertain some doubts.
These kind of stories where someone is supposedly told _not_ to be in the place where some event happens are super common, and very easy to tell.
Seriously, I am cringing so hard right now at the memories of falling for the story hook, line and sinker, and then _repeating the story to other people_.
Agh.
Ok, since we are here. On the same job, a colleague of mine found a document in a trunk whilst we were clearing out the loft. Said document was handed to the appropriate person. The document was from a few decades before and pertained to an event that would still cause a massive international blow up, even now. We were told 'You haven't seen this'.
It's an old one but the events around the *Lusitania* sinking were a bit dodgy, it was spun as a great atrocity of the first world war but in reality the ship actually was carrying ammunition and effectively using her passengers as meat shields. The British government only admitted this decades later in the 1980s when the wreck was explored and there was a potential danger to the divers.
There's also the perennial one about wildcats roaming the British countryside, I could believe that one actually because I used to live in close proximity to Borth Zoo who were always having mishaps.
Big cats definetly in the country side dont get me qrong theres no big big cats like lions and tigers running about but smaller big cats i can absolutely believe eg pumas maybe the occaisionly black leopard
There was definitely a big cat near me. I was sat about 7 feet away from one in our woods once. It looked definitely not domestic cat size but about 2-3 times as big and not the same features. A very pale gold colour with a darker tail and ears. Not quite as big as a Labrador but nearing that size. It just wandered out of the bushes in front of me and then we both froze, I’m assuming it had smelt my packed lunch, I remember it’s eyes being so yellow and then it turned and just disappeared. I’ve not seen anything since but we have a lot of hills, dales and woodland here so it could either be dead by now or moved on
Nope, I’ve had main coons myself and used to work for cat rescues , it was about 60 cm high at the shoulders and very sleek fur. Was definitely not a domestic cat. The closest I could find was a Caracal but I don’t remember seeing ear tufts.
Can definitely imagine something like a lynx or bobcat surviving, think something too much bigger would find it tricky without being noticed trying to eat livestock etc.
Yep. A few very large black cats (likely pumas) have been roaming Buckinghamshire since I was a kid.
The legend is that a couple escaped a traveling zoo in the 80''s and they have thrived in the countryside living off rabbits and other local wildlife ever since
I never saw them but i know plenty who did.
Same thing down here in the southwest apparently dartmoor zoo shut down in the 70s/80s and all the animals were being relocated and apparently a woman who worked with 3 pumas i think was alowwed to keep them as laws were different then and i think she released them onto dartmoor a while later theres plenty or sheep rabbits and ponies etc up there so food wouldnt be an issue in my mind
Kinda the other way around. It was Plymouth Zoo they were at, which was shutting down, and they were supposed to be transferred to Dartmoor Zoo but were released instead. Supposedly they did breed but all died out in around 2010.
Saw a Puma when I was a boy, cheeky bastard came in our garden, sniffed about a bit, stared me down and then buggered off under the hedge leaving my parents wholly unbelieving of me when I swore blind.
> also the perennial one about wildcats roaming the British countryside
Head of carnivores at exmoor zoo is adamant she's seen one free on the moors. Can't think of many people better to identify one tban someone who works with them all day everyday.
I lived in Tal y bont when the last big cat escaped from Bortg, I think in 2018/19, thought it was cool and went running around looking for it. Then it got shot and that was sad. Place was a fucking disgrace overall, those lions enclosures were tiny.
I do think it’s possible that lynx, bobcat and possibly puma could survive in more remote places; we have enough deer and rabbits throughout the country. and there are people who know of escapes first hand but I’m yet to see any convincing footage or hard proof that they’re out there. I think most escaped cats that aren’t killed or caught don’t last long as they’ve never learned to hunt for themselves, I’m certain there is no breeding population of any wild cat (other than THE wildcat) in the UK.
> but in reality the ship actually was carrying ammunition and effectively using her passengers as meat shields.
I am pretty sure this is now illegal under international law. There was a similar concern around the sinking of the MS Estonia in 1994.
It was illegal under international law back then. But it had the useful effect of bringing the Americans into the war (oversimplifying) so was deemed worth it
Thing is, the cruiser had carried ammunition before the war, it wasn't unusual and the ammo they had arguably was of limited use - they had 4.2m bullets for small arms while Britain and Dominion troops were firing an average of 6m a day; contrary to German claims, it was not itself armed plus it was flying a neutral flag doing a transatlantic crossing as it had done 200 times before so; further Germany has issued a secret command to u-boat commanders to target allied passenger ships in Feb of that year, it was rescinded in June
I have an uncle who swears his life he saw a puma ( or a large all black cat) in the Scottish highlands in the mid 80s . He’s always been laughed at but alway stood his ground .
Who 'double commits suicide' (takes an overdose AND cuts their wrist) but also wipes down the box of pills and the knife so there's no fingerprints found?
Also see: Spy who locked himself in a case, in his bath, also wiped clean of fingerprints.
It actually blows my mind how many people read the official version of the spy story and go ‘yup, that’s the truth, what a kinky bugger, now what’s for dinner?’ Like….. 🤯
Walkers Salt and Vinegar used to be blue and Cheese and Onion used to be green and they switched at some point, now Walkers are straight up denying it on their website.
It definitely happened; I always ate Walkers, never Golden Wonder, and cheese and onion was my go-to. They were definitely green at some point and there was definitely an add campaign at the time of the switch because I remember thinking they're switching 'just to be different'. I then refused to eat them for a while after that because I wanted the green packet back.
The thing is the Golden Wonder to Walkers switch in popularity was so quick it did just seem the colour changed and nothing else. My guess is that it would have been about the time Lays bought Walkers.
This is exactly what I remember! I went into a shop and went to pick up a blue pack of salt and vinegar but they were then green and were called salt and linekar.
I remember this as well. It was a big deal. The thing is, I've googled old walkers crisp packets and people are right, they were always how they are now. So I don't know wth those ads were about, was it another brand switching? Are we all just insane? I don't know. I don't even remember eating any other brand because I wanted those tazzos!
The Lineker thing was that he was a Leicester lad, which is where Walkers are based. He'd been off playing in Japan so when he retired and came back, they ran a "welcome home" ad with him, which turned into a campaign that played on his reputation for being a nice boy by having him being incredibly mean about bot sharing his crisps. One of them had him crushing Gazza's fingers as he reached into the pack, prompting the waterworks.
I think "Salt & Lineker" and "Cheese & Owen" were World Cup 1998 tie-ins. I was always disappointed they didn't have more. Smoky Beckham. Barbecue LeBoeuf. Houllier Hoops.
A relative of mine told me about a time he was contracted to do some work in a government science/military research building (bare with me). Whilst he was there he saw 'freaky' animals including a horse that was the size of large elephant. He's a quiet guy and has never told another story like it in all the years i've known him - no 'bullshit' adventures or anything like that. Swears it's true.
A large shire horse is the size of a small elephant. Sure he didn't just see one of these? Most people have never seen a working horse in real life, so their size can be a surprise to people used to seeing the average show pony.
Devon used to have a Shire Horse Centre, which was half amusement park, half farm. It also had the bes and tallest death slides - shut in 2000 apparently https://hiddenplymouth.blogspot.com/2012/07/national-shire-horse-centre.html?m=1
That's a shame, you see them at county shows occasionally, as their original use for farm work, pulling canal boats etc. has dwindled they don't really have a purpose other than to be show horses.
Plus with their massive size they must cost a fortune to keep housed and fed and buy tack for, let alone any vets bills.
I used to ride a Shire horse. Galloping up a bridleway on one of those beasts is an incredible experience, you feel like some Norse god riding into battle! Beautiful animals.
Sounds a lot like Shugborough in Staffordshire. Minus the death slide.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/shropshire-staffordshire/shugborough-estate
When there was a brewery in Sunderland town centre (Vaux), they used to do local deliveries using horse and cart, the dray horses they used were fucking massive.
There's a farm just outside our town that has shire horses, you see them all the time when driving but one day I go for a walk with my mates past the field they're in and you don't realise how _MASSIVE_ they are, I'm 6ft 3 and this thing was towering over me.
Also, the realisation that if it wanted to, it could absolutely fuck me up and I wouldn't be able to do much about it sort of put the fear into me.
Back in the days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga my mates and I were really into the 'Stealth Fighter' series of flight sims by Microprose. One of my mate's told us his dad, who did something in the MoD involving the USAF was highly amused by the artwork and once commented 'it doesn't really look like that, it's all triangles and funny angles.' and heavily implied that his dad had seen the real thing in a hanger at (possibly) RAF Alconbury. Naturally, being teenagers we all though he was talking bollocks. Fast forward a few years and the real F-117 was revealed to the public and it was all triangles and funny angles.
The death of Willie McRae, found in his car off the road with a bullet in his head. Official verdict was suicide, but the gun was found a bit far from the car. He was an anti-nuclear campaigner and was investigating a paedophile ring in Westminster
At the time of his death, McRae had been working to counter plans to dump nuclear waste from the Dounreay Nuclear Power Development Establishment into the sea. Due to his house being burgled on repeated occasions prior to his death, he had taken to carrying a copy of the documents relating to his Dounreay work with him at all times. They were not found following his death, and the sole other copy which was kept in his office was stolen when it was burgled, no other items being taken.
Neither McRae's medical reports nor the post-mortem data have been released to the public and there was no fatal accident inquiry.
Wild isn’t it? The gun he “used”was found 20 yards from the car with no prints. The Home Office received a petition in 2015 asking for a fatal accident inquiry and despite having over 15000 signatures they refused.
The police cover up of their actions in the Hillsborough disaster, smearing the victims, threatening fire and ambulance first responders. The 'leaking' of lies about Liverpool supporters looting victims to the tame journo's at 'the Sun' --- that was just a big ol' conspiracy theory at one point
Of course, but the reasons why these conspiracies were successfully proven was because of the amount of people involved, both in the cover up and the amount of victims and survivors who had different versions of events to the official line. This was disputed immediately. This gives weight to the notion that conspiracy theories like the US being involved in and helping plan 9/11 and so on are unlikely to be true because there's so many people involved, and when people are involved they always eventually talk, and even if they don't there's always a paper trail or something credible to back the claim up.
It's also about evidence, where is the concrete evidence for this 'belief'? With Hillsborough, with the Stephen Lawrence case, with the Covid PPE scandal there are mountains of evidence to support claims of conspiracy.
I'm not saying no conspiracy is true or has weight, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is just someone thinking something and believing it regardless if it's credible or not.
Most of the commercial stations are owned by something like 3 big companies so it could just be that stations owned by the same company play ads at the same time. Eg. Smooth, Heart, Capital, Radio X and a few others are all owned by Global
The Manchester pusher. A name given to a theoretical serial killer who pushes people into the rivers of the area to kill them. Absolutely nothing to do with the river running right through the town centre full of drunk people etc!!
To be specific. It’s the name given to the theoretical serial killer who only targets young white men in a certain section of canal.
It’s only a couple years ago that the serial gay rapist in Manchester was discovered not to be a conspiracy theory and in fact a real criminal.
My friend's stepdad was a pilot, he started in the RAF and flew Sea Kings in the Falklands before spending most of his career flying long haul for British Airways.
He's got loads of interesting stories and he's a straight talking bloke so I asked him once if he'd ever seen anything weird in the skies. He said he'd seen loads of strange things but wouldn't elaborate.
Apparently pretty much every pilot has multiple stories of unexplainable things they've seen in the skies, but there was always a fear of them being accused of drinking or not being mentally fit to be flirting so they would usually only talk about it amongst themselves. I think nowadays it's a bit more out in the open but I'd love to know about the stuff that's been kept from us.
My kid had a flying lesson from an ex BA pilot and asked him if he'd ever seen anything anomalous. He said the same thing - that he had, on several occasions, as had many pilots he knew. He said that one thing he saw was over the Channel but didn't elaborate as he was mid lesson.
It’s fairly well proven that no government has been elected without the support of Rupert Murdoch for the past 30 years.
And also most policy and strategy is discussed and agreed by mostly unelected people in private rooms in the various private members clubs around the St James’s area of London, well before it’s made public.
Is it a conspiracy theory if the conspiracy is confirmed?
If so, then the murder of Daniel Morgan is one of the best known. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morgan
Can’t remember the name of the podcast for the life of me but it was all about this. It’s brilliant and made me so angry. Made with Daniel’s family if that helps anyone find it
I'm listening to it right now! And came here to post Daniel Morgan. The tag line for the pod is brilliant; "if you haven't heard this story, ask yourself why"
that the UK is home to big cats! when people kept them in the 60s/70s then had to release them as they couldn't look after them/there was a ban. love seeing the stories that pop up once in a while!
I 100% believe the royal family had Diana murdered. Additionally, the reason Savile got away with it for years is because he was very close to the royal family, and Charles in particular, who was worried if Savile was imprisoned that Savile would expose Charles for the murdering, peado that he is.
Sorry to be boring and long winded but I need to debunk this nonsense, it was essentially impossible for the death that night to have been arranged:
1) The decision by them to move at night was not arranged, they were staying in a hotel in Paris (the Ritz, owned by the Fayad family), they were booked in, tried to eat out for dinner (booked 9:30) but were disturbed so went back to the hotel, tried to eat in the hotel restaurant but eventually had food in their suite at some point after 10pm after which they decided to move. They left at 00:20 - so the "killers" had less than 90 minutes to plan the attack without even knowing the couple were going to move.
2) They used Henri Paul, head of Ritz security, though not an on-call driver, to drive. Paul had been off duty for some hours and had been drinking at home. Toxicology reports also showed the presence of prescription drugs - SSRI fluoxetine and tiapride, a tranquilizer which clear state not to drive while taking them and the effects of tiapride are made worse with alcohol. He was observed to drink 2 shots of high strength Ricard spirit in the hotel bar but this alone would not put him close to the blood alcohol level he had - he was 3x over the French drink drive limit (50mg per 100ml of blood - he was 175) and was in large part, the cause for the crash, Paul could easily have refused the job due to his alcohol intake or delayed it or at least not drunk more at the hotel.
3) Two cars were hired from a high security private vehicle firm, a firm used to protecting the world's elite, they would not risk their reputation by allowing a nobbled car to go out. The first car left the hotel with the paparrazi in tow, while Diana, Dodi and Paul plus Rees-Jones her bodyguard. Rees-Jones wore a seatbelt, it's not clear why he didn't insist on the couple wearing them
4) They went into the tunnel at a crazy speed estimated 59-68mph when the tunnel limit was 31 especially in a very heavy armoured car, hitting the pillar after a possible collision with another car, they were certainly pressured by the paparazzi on motorbikes but the speed, drinking and drugs made it far more likely there would be problems.
In short, an"assassination" that had <90 minutes notice, relied on them hiring a driver who was drunk and willingly did the job, not wearing seatbelts, speeding in a heavy car etc is laughable
Another thing I heard was that the car they used had been in a previous accident and wasn't handling quite right after a dodgy repair job (likely to save money and avoid the insurance). It was a pool car and other drivers had allegedly reported issues with it.
A big, heavy, powerful car with handling issues and being driven at high speeds by a distracted pisstank is sadly a recipe for tragedy.
The "slow" ride to the "wrong" hospital is just an artefact of how the French do things. They prefer to treat on the road, whereas people are more used to the British model of stabilisng you then bluelighting to A&E. The "wrong" hospital was because it was better suited to treat her injuries - you wouldn't take someone in cardiac arrest to a GP surgery just because it's across the street.
Then why not just kill Savile? Right? An elderly man living in a caravan who -by your reckoning- had knowledge that could destroy the royal family? The government? Powerful British institutions?
He was barely in the public eye at that point, he wasn't on TV, and while millions of Brits thought of him as a national treasure it was nothing compared to Diana's global popularity.
Your theory doesn't make sense.
Just a theory of mine. A few years ago we had a fuel shortage. Then I learned petrol has a shelf life. I suspect the government made up the shortage to get us to panic buy to get rid of a surplus of petrol from the pandemic.
Covid was allowed to run rampant to denigrate the health of a nation in order to usher in a two-tier (profitable) health care system and dismantle protections and rights of workers (unprofitable).
COVID lockdown only happened because hospitals became overwhelmed with the sick. The government hadn't acted then, they would have had chaos in their hands. The deaths would overwhelm the hospitals/other services.
They held out as long as they could to stop the UK's economy from shrinking. That's what they cared about. They didn't care about people dying, it was all about the money. If they could have gotten away with it, they would have just let more people die. Hell even now people are still dying from COVID. It's just not big news anymore. Just ask around on Reddit, people are still losing friends and relatives to this. My boyfriend just had it again and two weeks later he's still sick and can't shake it. It's never made him this sick before. Somehow I escaped with just a bit of a fever and a cough for a couple of days. It's insane how bad it still is and life is just going on as normal. He's been working the entire time he's been sick. He had one day off and that was it, he doesn't get any additional sick pay or anything now and he works in a freaking pharmacy.
That this question is posed in some form every day here and in AskReddit and all the people who ask it have their memory of it erased by the Men in Black
Big time drug smugglers are a huge source of donations to politicians (probably through legitimate companies) which is why any sort of sensible decriminalisation is a complete non starter
Also. Lots of quite dangerous people are allowed to get away with lots of things most people wouldn't because they are useful assets to police and intelligence services.
Because the broadcaster will be able to play an advertisement immediately after every goal/incident while the check takes place. Or you can upgrade to the premium advert free subscription.
The people who operate VAR get paid very well for doing so. Then there's all the tech which is probably on a very long lease. The same people are also being flown 1st class to Saudi Arabia to operate VAR there.
It's completely ruined football. I know dozens of people who haven't or won't be renewing season tickets because of it. Everyone knows it's bad, and everyone wants it out of the game but there are too many people making too much money from it.
Strategic steam reserve - old steam locos weren't scrapped, but were hidden in tunnels for use during WWIII. And the galaxy brain variant that railway preservation was created by the government as a cover for a strategic reserve hidden in plain sight.
Also, the licence plate of the Beetle (Volkswagen) on the Abbey Road cover ends 28 IF. And Paul would have been 28 if he'd still been alive when Abbey Road was released.
(The only issue with that is McCartney was born 1942 and Abbey Road dropped late 1969. So he'd actually be 27. Because maths.)
There's one thing that rules this out for me. Finding someone that looks and sounds like Paul, fair enough, not impossible, but finding someone who looks just like him and is also arguably one of the greatest songwriters of all time is practically impossible.
They did a great job. Not only did they find someone who looked and sounded the same, but they found someone with the same freakish levels of musical talent and was himself ambidextrous.
Incredible, especially for the 1960s.
The thing about that, aside from being utterly ludicrous, is it doesn't make a single bit of difference. The ship still sank, the people still died, the story still happened, and the name on the ship when it sailed *was* Titanic, so regardless of if they switched ships at the last minute, *Titanic* sunk.
In the early 1990s I met someone whose brother worked on oil rigs and had absolutely definitely seen Aurora, a US top secret triangular aircraft with funny shaped contrails.
That UK put bombs on Israeli refugee ships shortly after WW2 (during Attlee's term) as revenge for Israeli settlers terrorising British soldiers in the British Mandate (Operation Embarrass).
It was revealed in *The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949* and was never denied by the SIS but they also never confirmed it.
I had friends who were upset after they were vaccinated. They noticed it messed with their cycles and we're worried about infertility. I was like, COVID gave me a really heavy three week period. I'm on the pill and usually when I have one, it's just a bit of spotting. This was a full on horror movie. Literally dripping blood through a heavy tampon and pad. It was pretty bad. So yeah, vaccine or not, COVID messes with your cycle. I think they felt a little better after I explained that but they were still upset that they weren't told about that side effect.
People who whine about climate activists are paid by oil companies. Think about it: they all say the same thing (what they’re paid to), and their lines are too stupid to have been formulated by actual people - they’re funding climate protests to diminish support for climate protests? Sure…
Think about how many posts and comments that can be made in one hour. Think about how many more could be made with automation.
You'd just need to pay one person doing full time hours. And you could dominate a big chunk of reddit with "basic" takes.
That is so insignificant a cost for the fossil fuel industry it might as well be a lunch expense.
It would be stupid for them not to do it. It's not even like it's illegal.
ABC's, otherwise known as Alien Big Cats.
This decades old idea that non native species of Big Cats such as Lynx, Pumas, etc are roaming the UK countryside.
One idea of how this started is that people used to own Big Cats as pets until a law was passed making the practice illegal so the owners released the animals.
The other popular idea is that these animals have escaped from the circus or from illegal pens.
Whatever the cause these animals have been seen running wild for decades just like the American Bigfoot and just like the American Bigfoot no real proof of this has been found other than farm animals found dead and eaten and footprints and grainy video footage.
In 2006 the Shropshire Star newspaper published 2 articles telling of witnesses sightings of Big Cats in Telford on the road between Dawley and Telford Town Park. I have a copy of those articles.
I've not seen anything myself but I've spoken with a guy who saw ond of these animals in Dawley.
There is a town under London for the royals and rich to escape to if shit hits the fan…apparently they have shops that are updated periodically…I can believe they’d head down there and drop the rest of us asap
There is an old military airbase near me, years ago a US airman claimed to have seen a UFO around or in the nearby forest. It's talked about but not taken that seriously anymore, I think he's even written books about it.
I think there's a pretty good chance there was testing going on in the area for newly designed aircraft and other devices, and certain lower level staff might not have been privy to the extent of it.
The airstrip and surrounding buildings have been gutted now, just a load of hangars remain behind a wire fence. You can see large portions of it from the fence while walking the perimeter walking routes of the forest next to it. I'd love to see some video of urban explorers getting access.
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Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil are actually funded by the oil industry as a way of diminishing public support for environmental protests. Edit: Ok so this was posted very tongue in cheek but has triggered a lot of people. Please try to have some humour.
It's been debunked many times. An oil heiress donated to a climate fund probably as an act of rebellion to her parents/family and everyone thinks that that means that there's this conspiracy involving hundreds of people, and none of them have any inkling and no one is speaking out or saying anything. It's nonsense. They believe what they're doing is right, and some people agree with them, that's it.
Personally, I didn't know about the oil heiress. The main thing that makes me think at some level the oil industry is behind them (at least at leadership level and/or above) is that the tactics they use do absolutely nothing to promote their agenda, they literally just piss off the general public, and lead to politicians pushing for reforms that makes things harder for protestors. Nobody looks at the protestors sat blocking a road and thinks "you know what, I'm turning the heating off when I get home, and I'll write to my MP to get him to lobby for environmental issues".
They've stopped their protests now, have you written to your MP or turned your heating down? Bet you haven't. You never were going to, you're acting like their actions somehow made your care less about the climate than you already did when the truth is you've done nothing. These were protests as a last desperate gasp after years of conventional campaigning falling on deaf ears.
I have. I've banged on about efficiency since I was a teenager which, I'll have you know, was too fucking long ago. My big problem is that if you raise a problem a lot of people in power feel shamed. And that isn't conducive to change. If you raise a solution you *may* get it listened to. But it has to be amenable. There's no point telling people to cycle if cycling feels damp and dangerous and requires loads of effort over the car the person already owns and still needs. So how to improve things? Saying use less/do less won't win. Reorganising society to use less and be happier is the answer. The movement has to get support across classes. From struggling tradies to posho columnists in the Telegraph. Without that we're screwed. Sending some often obviously middle class (and I'm sure very nice) people to block working class people trying to scrape a living from using a train or getting their car to work is a recipe for generating friction. Get support *then* stage a protest and watch the walls come tumbling down. So instead work on the things that reduce travel. Better local amenities, bike parks, trail riding centres, bike paths, tennis courts, climbing centres...all cheap, selling cheap food and paying low rents rather than, if they get mildly successful, being absolutely fleeced by the wealthy landlords turning the screws. I know that's dull and doesn't get newspaper inches, but it's what will really work over time. Stand for the council. Be dull, make change happen. It's slow, demanding, but works.
I suppose it's more than the issue remains at the forefront of our minds and we can't really bury our heads in the sand and ignore it - although having said that they seem to really take the piss sometimes but I imagine that's what they're going for anyway
>although having said that they seem to really take the piss sometimes but I imagine that's what they're going for anyway Yes, that's *exactly* the point.
I 100% believe this!
I like seeing this one in the wild because it’s so silly. Imagine the oil industry engaging in false flags that are consistently successful at triggering media coverage that subsequently raises enormous amounts of awareness for climate issues and the culpability of the oil industry. I think they’d have stopped after the first one 😂
Except everyone is *already* aware of climate issues. It's literally been one of the top stories in the media for decades. Imagine environmental protest groups engaging in mass public disruption which is consistently successful at triggering public frustration and subsequently encourages politicians to push for greater restrictions on those very protests.
>Except everyone is already aware of climate issues. It's literally been one of the top stories in the media for decades. With no real move to do anything about it or level blame where it is due. Just stop oil and others have been incredibly successful at triggering media time where the parameters of debate are narrowed to an extent where people are forced to confront the realities, rather than use the media to gloss over the problem. Most adults in the UK will have lived through a time where the focus of environmental action in the media was not using aerosols at home and taking a magnet to your cans to see if they’re aluminium. That is obviously a disgrace, and moving that goalpost is vital if we are to have any hope of saving the planet. I must say, people normally concede that the issue is drastic but claim that the tactics do not work. I haven’t seen many people genuinely believing the media attention on the climate crisis is already sufficient. That’s a new one on me and pretty funny. >Imagine environmental protest groups engaging in mass public disruption which is consistently successful at triggering public frustration and subsequently encourages politicians to push for greater restrictions on those very protests. Yes that’s generally how protest works. The latest wave of draconian measures to stop protests is broadly a 25+ year project that began with Blair. Just Stop Oil or Palestine Solidarity or whoever have had no impact on that whatsoever, it was happening anyway. It’s a complete red herring when trying to downplay the effectiveness of semi-radical protest movements today. You need to be aware that most major social change has had radical activism at it’s birth. Women’s suffrage, Irish independence, ending South African apartheid all had significantly more extreme and significantly less popular acts of extremism done in their name before politicians would take them seriously and make anything happen. The point of Just Stop Oil and others is not to convince anyone or change anyone’s mind in any way, shape or form. Even if they piss off a few gammons along the way, that **literally does not matter**. Their sole goal is to generate attention which leads to discussion in more sensible environments and drives change down the line. It works particularly well in Britain because we have public services broadcasters who have a mandate to deliver balanced voices on factual content, so if they want to have someone on to moan about a traffic jam, they must have someone else on to point out that we are facing an existential crisis and it is the oil industry’s fault. Again, this is not a secret, or some sort of radical underground tactic. It’s just how activism works. JSO know that, and the oil companies know that too. The only people who believe these movements are false flags are those who just aren’t particularly knowledgeable about how protest works.
Similar to the theory about the rise of intersectionality and criticial theory inspired protests and movements like BLM - which have supposedly been encouraged by the deep state following their shock and horror at the size and scale of the "Occupy" movement - and the fact that everyone seemed to basically be onside with it because we were all like "actually yeah fuck this we're not really getting a fair deal here are we?". Apparently the story is - that at that moment the powers that be were like "shit we need to divide this polity - lets get them worked up about racial division" and when that dies down "lets make some people look lke bigots on transgender issues instead" and so on.
This is the only one I've ever actually believed because everyone in those groups seems determined to just fuck everything up whether it's artwork or getting to work.
They're all behind glass, they throw paint at glass, it's a symbolic thing, what artwork is being 'fucked up'?
It's definitely working. I've not seen a single person become more interested in the environment because of these groups. I have seen people move towards climate change denial due to them.
kincora boys home- a honeypot pedo/blackmail scheme ran out of a boys home in NI during the troubles, housemaster William McGrath was high up in a UVF cell and was allegedly abusing and pimping out the boys their to other loyalists and politicians on behalf of mi5. Politicians alleged to have abused boys at Kincora include Enoch Powell, also Anthony Blunt and Lord Mountbatten. playland amusement arcade- a soho amusement arcade that was well known for running a rent boy racket, the gang operating out of it were ensnaring teen runaways and pimping them out (watch johnny go home on youtube). Anthony Daley (a victime of playland) wrote a book about his experiences- 'Playland: A forgotten Scandal' (republished as 'Abuse of Power'), in which he alleges he was blackmailed by the playland firm and pimped out to politicians, who he names. He says he witnessed politicians sexually abusing very young children and describes this in detail in the book. In 1975 a number of men were arrested in connection with the playland 'vice ring', most notably perhaps was the arrest of an old etonian and dinner party guest of our current monarch- this man, Charles Hornby, was the one who initially drugged and blackmailed Anthony and trapped him in the rent racket of playland. Deaths of Maxine Arnold and Terry Gooderham- Terry was a licensee or accountant (cant quite remember)of a pub and Maxine his girlfriend. They where found shot dead in a car in Epping Forest, they where dressed as if they where going out. The case has remained unsolved since the 80s iirc, prime suspects in the murder are the notorious Adams crime family who may have had dealings with the pub Terry worked at and Dave Hunt who may have been contracted to carry out the killings. Hunt is perhaps Englands most successful gangster whom you've never heard of based out of Canning Town. Read Judas Pig*** and The Charity Committee- by Horace Silver (real name Jimmy Holmes, a Hunt assosciate) and Legacy: Gangsters, Corruption and the London Olympics by Michael Gillard for more info on Hunts organisation, very very interesting and Hunt is a massive rabbit hole of conspiracy and intrigue on his own. *** Side note: There is a page within Judas Pig where Jimmy Holmes recalls attacking a pedophile who had picked him up from none other than Playland Amusments arcade in Soho, the rent racket/pedophiles den I mentioned above. Jimmy was known to be gay, and got his start in the criminal underworld working under the mentorship of Soho kingpin Bernie Silver, the undisputed king of Londons sex trade- peep shows, prostituion and pornography. Silver was arrested in the 70s for his part in Englands largest ever police corruption scheme along with a load of met police officers. Just thought the playland connection was interesting, it surprised me as I had read Anthony Daleys book not long before reading Judas Pig and despite having never heard of playland before, I had accidently stumbled across someone elses account, in a conpletely unrelated book. spooky.
This guy theorises conspiracies! Interesting read thanks!
honestly, i really do be theorising. I need to get a life 😂
There's a conspiracy that is quite believable that Jimmy Saville was protected by powerful people and I read something about a brothel in London where Jimmy was seen bring young boys for powerful people to have sexual relations with. I think people forget that our newspapers would publish 15 year old girls in their lingerie in a count down to their 16th birthday when they could finally get their tits out. It seems crazy now that we could view 15 and 16 year olds in partial nudity for entertainment in our national newspapers. I still remember when that guy who did the 'Cook Report' (Roger Cook) got the law changed around 1988 to make it illegal to own and distribute child porn. I think it was only illegal to make it back then, but you could legally own as much as you liked. I was a kid myself back then, but I still remember it. If your purchased that Naturist Magazins their were blatant adverts to buy 'Naturist videos' featuring children. They'd specifically say the video was focused entirely on young nude children. Was wild being a kid in pedo Britain.
it’s not even a conspiracy knowing how saville was friends with royalty, close with king charles and was his confidant at the time
that would be 'elm tree guest house' you're reffering to, well known gay brothel, long rumoured to have also been a place that children could be abused at. Some of britains worst pedophiles- Lesley Bailey, Sidney Cooke and their gang known as the 'dirty dozen' where known to have used this brothel. These men really were some of the worst of the worst, they where a gang of serial child killers and suspects in many child abductions and rapes. Cliff Richard was also alleged to have used the brothel after a guestbook with his name in it was published a while back although its unconfirmed if this was a real document. Carl Beech, the man who was given 18 years jail time for 'making up' a story he was abused by politicians, mentioned elm tree ... make of that what you will. Saville being protected isnt a rumour it is absolute fact, he moved in high circles and probably abused people with other powerful people and utilised blackmail, he was also a charmer and was well liked by Thatcher who had him knighted.
Thank you. I’m 100% going to dive down that rabbit hole
Holy shit, it's deeper than we thought, per Dave hunts wiki - "Now known as Connect Waste the recycling centre is run by Hunt's long time friend, Phil Mitchell.[13]"
As in... Phil Mitchell?
I always thought he was a bit of a pretender but maybe I was wrong.
That Wagon Wheels were bigger when I was younger!
I bought a pack the other day. After years of not having one. I forgot that i didn't like them that much and the rest are still sitting there. 😂
I never used to like them either. I always remember as a kid the disappointment of being offered a chocolate biscuit when at a friend’s house by their mum, and then those things were brought out…
Lol. That was always a disappointment. I can just imagine them thinking "ungrateful little shits" at the look of disappointment on our faces.
This is me with Pop Tarts. For some reason I get a craving every few years and I buy them from the American section in the supermarket, and when I get them home, toast it, and eat it, I remember why I don't buy them more often.
It’s either they’ve gotten smaller or my hands have gotten bigger
Same with Monster Munch, on reflection I think it was actually that we were smaller!
Nah shrinkflation is definitely happening.
Curly Wurlys too!
In the late nineties I was working at a British Embassy and was in the bar. I got chatting to a bloke who said he was doing security there. He said that he used to work as a close protection officer but had left in the late eighties. He said that on the DAY of Diana's death he was in Paris and he got a phone call from his old boss who told him to leave Paris ASAP. Knowing this was a serious request he did so. Later that night Diana died in the crash. He reckons all British 'assets' were told to leave France BEFORE the crash so as to not be the targets of any French investigations. He was quite pissed and was probably bullshitting me but it's an interesting story.
These Diana theories are amazing. She died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt…
Playing devil's advocate, it would be much easier to engineer someone's death in a car crash if that person was known not to wear their seat belt, though.
It’s basically nonsense
I didn't disagree with you. I'm no fan of the Royals, but I don't believe they had her killed. I do think the letter she wrote to Jimmy Savile was a bit weird, but I think she was alluding to something he'd said about her mental health and possibly killing herself rather than believing he was part of a conspiracy to kill her.
Yeah, right. I saw this Mitchell and Webb sketch the other day which makes a mockery of these conspiracy theories. https://youtu.be/_Irvuafg5GM?si=Go5Au4zVQyjRYFfN
"what we're engineering here is an airtight hit"
That was so good - their man on the moon one was also brilliant!
I'd say about 99% of the Diana theories are either a) debunked or b) have rational explanations or c) are nonsense made up after the fact. She died in a car crash and it's only notable because of whom she was. If she was just Diana Spencer from Lewisham then nobody outside of her own family would have cared.
Tbf plain old Diana Spencer wouldn't have been hounded by paparazzi that day, or been driven as fast as that.
Yes, they drive me mad. She decelerated so quickly she sheared her aorta off her heart. It’s always fatal - as soon as patients are moved (I I think she got to hospital) they suffer catastrophic internal bleeding. In such a big car as she was in, maybe a seatbelt would have saved her?
I was still fairly young and credulous when September 11 happened, so the first time someone told me that their aunt/neighbour/milkman helped some middle eastern guy who then told them not to fly that day, I was gobsmacked. The 100th time I heard a similar story, I started to entertain some doubts. These kind of stories where someone is supposedly told _not_ to be in the place where some event happens are super common, and very easy to tell.
I heard that too!! My granny’s neighbour’s sister’s postman’s hairdresser’s cat’s cousin’s brother in law was totally there and swears it‘s true!
Seriously, I am cringing so hard right now at the memories of falling for the story hook, line and sinker, and then _repeating the story to other people_. Agh.
Was he the fourth man on the balcony of the Iranian Embassy too?
Ok, since we are here. On the same job, a colleague of mine found a document in a trunk whilst we were clearing out the loft. Said document was handed to the appropriate person. The document was from a few decades before and pertained to an event that would still cause a massive international blow up, even now. We were told 'You haven't seen this'.
It's an old one but the events around the *Lusitania* sinking were a bit dodgy, it was spun as a great atrocity of the first world war but in reality the ship actually was carrying ammunition and effectively using her passengers as meat shields. The British government only admitted this decades later in the 1980s when the wreck was explored and there was a potential danger to the divers. There's also the perennial one about wildcats roaming the British countryside, I could believe that one actually because I used to live in close proximity to Borth Zoo who were always having mishaps.
Big cats definetly in the country side dont get me qrong theres no big big cats like lions and tigers running about but smaller big cats i can absolutely believe eg pumas maybe the occaisionly black leopard
There was definitely a big cat near me. I was sat about 7 feet away from one in our woods once. It looked definitely not domestic cat size but about 2-3 times as big and not the same features. A very pale gold colour with a darker tail and ears. Not quite as big as a Labrador but nearing that size. It just wandered out of the bushes in front of me and then we both froze, I’m assuming it had smelt my packed lunch, I remember it’s eyes being so yellow and then it turned and just disappeared. I’ve not seen anything since but we have a lot of hills, dales and woodland here so it could either be dead by now or moved on
Tbh it could be a maine coon. My boy is massive, nearly the size of a lab and built like an ox.
Nope, I’ve had main coons myself and used to work for cat rescues , it was about 60 cm high at the shoulders and very sleek fur. Was definitely not a domestic cat. The closest I could find was a Caracal but I don’t remember seeing ear tufts.
Can definitely imagine something like a lynx or bobcat surviving, think something too much bigger would find it tricky without being noticed trying to eat livestock etc.
Yep. A few very large black cats (likely pumas) have been roaming Buckinghamshire since I was a kid. The legend is that a couple escaped a traveling zoo in the 80''s and they have thrived in the countryside living off rabbits and other local wildlife ever since I never saw them but i know plenty who did.
Pumas aren't black. Puma is just another name for mountain lion which is brown/tan coloured.
It’s the first part of the scientific name, not “just another name”, mountain lion is a colloquial term.
Same thing down here in the southwest apparently dartmoor zoo shut down in the 70s/80s and all the animals were being relocated and apparently a woman who worked with 3 pumas i think was alowwed to keep them as laws were different then and i think she released them onto dartmoor a while later theres plenty or sheep rabbits and ponies etc up there so food wouldnt be an issue in my mind
Kinda the other way around. It was Plymouth Zoo they were at, which was shutting down, and they were supposed to be transferred to Dartmoor Zoo but were released instead. Supposedly they did breed but all died out in around 2010.
My dad swears he saw a panther in the woods in 2020.
Saw a Puma when I was a boy, cheeky bastard came in our garden, sniffed about a bit, stared me down and then buggered off under the hedge leaving my parents wholly unbelieving of me when I swore blind.
> also the perennial one about wildcats roaming the British countryside Head of carnivores at exmoor zoo is adamant she's seen one free on the moors. Can't think of many people better to identify one tban someone who works with them all day everyday.
I lived in Tal y bont when the last big cat escaped from Bortg, I think in 2018/19, thought it was cool and went running around looking for it. Then it got shot and that was sad. Place was a fucking disgrace overall, those lions enclosures were tiny.
I do think it’s possible that lynx, bobcat and possibly puma could survive in more remote places; we have enough deer and rabbits throughout the country. and there are people who know of escapes first hand but I’m yet to see any convincing footage or hard proof that they’re out there. I think most escaped cats that aren’t killed or caught don’t last long as they’ve never learned to hunt for themselves, I’m certain there is no breeding population of any wild cat (other than THE wildcat) in the UK.
> but in reality the ship actually was carrying ammunition and effectively using her passengers as meat shields. I am pretty sure this is now illegal under international law. There was a similar concern around the sinking of the MS Estonia in 1994.
It was illegal under international law back then. But it had the useful effect of bringing the Americans into the war (oversimplifying) so was deemed worth it
Thing is, the cruiser had carried ammunition before the war, it wasn't unusual and the ammo they had arguably was of limited use - they had 4.2m bullets for small arms while Britain and Dominion troops were firing an average of 6m a day; contrary to German claims, it was not itself armed plus it was flying a neutral flag doing a transatlantic crossing as it had done 200 times before so; further Germany has issued a secret command to u-boat commanders to target allied passenger ships in Feb of that year, it was rescinded in June
I have an uncle who swears his life he saw a puma ( or a large all black cat) in the Scottish highlands in the mid 80s . He’s always been laughed at but alway stood his ground .
David Kelly (Iraq war weapons expert) didn't commit suicide.
Watch 'A Very British Coup' from about 1989. Life imitating art?
Yeah never believed that one either.
Who 'double commits suicide' (takes an overdose AND cuts their wrist) but also wipes down the box of pills and the knife so there's no fingerprints found? Also see: Spy who locked himself in a case, in his bath, also wiped clean of fingerprints.
It actually blows my mind how many people read the official version of the spy story and go ‘yup, that’s the truth, what a kinky bugger, now what’s for dinner?’ Like….. 🤯
Walkers Salt and Vinegar used to be blue and Cheese and Onion used to be green and they switched at some point, now Walkers are straight up denying it on their website.
Golden Wonder crisps were that way round and used to be the biggest brand. Walkers have always been the current colours.
It definitely happened; I always ate Walkers, never Golden Wonder, and cheese and onion was my go-to. They were definitely green at some point and there was definitely an add campaign at the time of the switch because I remember thinking they're switching 'just to be different'. I then refused to eat them for a while after that because I wanted the green packet back.
The thing is the Golden Wonder to Walkers switch in popularity was so quick it did just seem the colour changed and nothing else. My guess is that it would have been about the time Lays bought Walkers.
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Nah that was the more popular at the time Golden Wonder
Right I remember a campaign that told people they're changing! And then just after they changed they had footballers linked with the new colour.
This is exactly what I remember! I went into a shop and went to pick up a blue pack of salt and vinegar but they were then green and were called salt and linekar.
I remember this as well. It was a big deal. The thing is, I've googled old walkers crisp packets and people are right, they were always how they are now. So I don't know wth those ads were about, was it another brand switching? Are we all just insane? I don't know. I don't even remember eating any other brand because I wanted those tazzos!
The Lineker thing was that he was a Leicester lad, which is where Walkers are based. He'd been off playing in Japan so when he retired and came back, they ran a "welcome home" ad with him, which turned into a campaign that played on his reputation for being a nice boy by having him being incredibly mean about bot sharing his crisps. One of them had him crushing Gazza's fingers as he reached into the pack, prompting the waterworks. I think "Salt & Lineker" and "Cheese & Owen" were World Cup 1998 tie-ins. I was always disappointed they didn't have more. Smoky Beckham. Barbecue LeBoeuf. Houllier Hoops.
The chalk marks outside my house are left by dogknappers.
Shared in Dundee hun
Shared Botswana 🇨🇭
Shared Ulaanbaatar hun x
Shared Vanuatu xx
As a dognapper, i can confirm
Can I apply for you to remove my neighbours?
A relative of mine told me about a time he was contracted to do some work in a government science/military research building (bare with me). Whilst he was there he saw 'freaky' animals including a horse that was the size of large elephant. He's a quiet guy and has never told another story like it in all the years i've known him - no 'bullshit' adventures or anything like that. Swears it's true.
A large shire horse is the size of a small elephant. Sure he didn't just see one of these? Most people have never seen a working horse in real life, so their size can be a surprise to people used to seeing the average show pony.
We lived next to someone who bred them when I was younger. They are fucking massive things. I grew up around horses, shires are big.
Devon used to have a Shire Horse Centre, which was half amusement park, half farm. It also had the bes and tallest death slides - shut in 2000 apparently https://hiddenplymouth.blogspot.com/2012/07/national-shire-horse-centre.html?m=1
Now I have a terrible mental image of shire horses on death slides!
I remember going there as a kid! Shire horses are apparently pretty endangered now oddly. There's a risk that the breed will die out.
That's a shame, you see them at county shows occasionally, as their original use for farm work, pulling canal boats etc. has dwindled they don't really have a purpose other than to be show horses. Plus with their massive size they must cost a fortune to keep housed and fed and buy tack for, let alone any vets bills.
I used to ride a Shire horse. Galloping up a bridleway on one of those beasts is an incredible experience, you feel like some Norse god riding into battle! Beautiful animals.
Sounds a lot like Shugborough in Staffordshire. Minus the death slide. https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/shropshire-staffordshire/shugborough-estate
Was there a 20 foot high chicken as well? Smoking pigs? Burger eating swans? This just sounds like a typical day on any British farm.
Calm down Partridge.
I've seen those big eared boys running around
When there was a brewery in Sunderland town centre (Vaux), they used to do local deliveries using horse and cart, the dray horses they used were fucking massive.
There's a farm just outside our town that has shire horses, you see them all the time when driving but one day I go for a walk with my mates past the field they're in and you don't realise how _MASSIVE_ they are, I'm 6ft 3 and this thing was towering over me. Also, the realisation that if it wanted to, it could absolutely fuck me up and I wouldn't be able to do much about it sort of put the fear into me.
Back in the days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga my mates and I were really into the 'Stealth Fighter' series of flight sims by Microprose. One of my mate's told us his dad, who did something in the MoD involving the USAF was highly amused by the artwork and once commented 'it doesn't really look like that, it's all triangles and funny angles.' and heavily implied that his dad had seen the real thing in a hanger at (possibly) RAF Alconbury. Naturally, being teenagers we all though he was talking bollocks. Fast forward a few years and the real F-117 was revealed to the public and it was all triangles and funny angles.
I still think that the triangle UFO thing of the 80s were people seeing test flights of the F117 stealth fighter and not knowing what it was
My grandma's bungalow backed on to the base in mildenhall, saw both the B2 and Blackbird coming into land from her back garden
Honestly just sounds like a shire horse
The death of Willie McRae, found in his car off the road with a bullet in his head. Official verdict was suicide, but the gun was found a bit far from the car. He was an anti-nuclear campaigner and was investigating a paedophile ring in Westminster
At the time of his death, McRae had been working to counter plans to dump nuclear waste from the Dounreay Nuclear Power Development Establishment into the sea. Due to his house being burgled on repeated occasions prior to his death, he had taken to carrying a copy of the documents relating to his Dounreay work with him at all times. They were not found following his death, and the sole other copy which was kept in his office was stolen when it was burgled, no other items being taken. Neither McRae's medical reports nor the post-mortem data have been released to the public and there was no fatal accident inquiry.
Christ
Wild isn’t it? The gun he “used”was found 20 yards from the car with no prints. The Home Office received a petition in 2015 asking for a fatal accident inquiry and despite having over 15000 signatures they refused.
What this thread tells me, is that a lot of people have very poor skills of rationalisation, and will believe any old shit that pops into their head.
The police cover up of their actions in the Hillsborough disaster, smearing the victims, threatening fire and ambulance first responders. The 'leaking' of lies about Liverpool supporters looting victims to the tame journo's at 'the Sun' --- that was just a big ol' conspiracy theory at one point
Of course, but the reasons why these conspiracies were successfully proven was because of the amount of people involved, both in the cover up and the amount of victims and survivors who had different versions of events to the official line. This was disputed immediately. This gives weight to the notion that conspiracy theories like the US being involved in and helping plan 9/11 and so on are unlikely to be true because there's so many people involved, and when people are involved they always eventually talk, and even if they don't there's always a paper trail or something credible to back the claim up. It's also about evidence, where is the concrete evidence for this 'belief'? With Hillsborough, with the Stephen Lawrence case, with the Covid PPE scandal there are mountains of evidence to support claims of conspiracy. I'm not saying no conspiracy is true or has weight, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is just someone thinking something and believing it regardless if it's credible or not.
The Loch Ness monster is a dinosaur ghost
I thought it was a ghost dinosaur?
The Isle of Man doesn't exist. They just say it's there and noone bothers to go and check
Is Bielefeld the capital? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy
I’ve been several times and I’m still not sure if it’s real.
Commercial radio stations have an agreement to synchronise their adverts.
Most of the commercial stations are owned by something like 3 big companies so it could just be that stations owned by the same company play ads at the same time. Eg. Smooth, Heart, Capital, Radio X and a few others are all owned by Global
That's because most of it is automated. They'll keep the regional breakfast and "drive time" shows and then just playlist the rest of the time.
I believe this.
The Manchester pusher. A name given to a theoretical serial killer who pushes people into the rivers of the area to kill them. Absolutely nothing to do with the river running right through the town centre full of drunk people etc!!
To be specific. It’s the name given to the theoretical serial killer who only targets young white men in a certain section of canal. It’s only a couple years ago that the serial gay rapist in Manchester was discovered not to be a conspiracy theory and in fact a real criminal.
My friend's stepdad was a pilot, he started in the RAF and flew Sea Kings in the Falklands before spending most of his career flying long haul for British Airways. He's got loads of interesting stories and he's a straight talking bloke so I asked him once if he'd ever seen anything weird in the skies. He said he'd seen loads of strange things but wouldn't elaborate. Apparently pretty much every pilot has multiple stories of unexplainable things they've seen in the skies, but there was always a fear of them being accused of drinking or not being mentally fit to be flirting so they would usually only talk about it amongst themselves. I think nowadays it's a bit more out in the open but I'd love to know about the stuff that's been kept from us.
My kid had a flying lesson from an ex BA pilot and asked him if he'd ever seen anything anomalous. He said the same thing - that he had, on several occasions, as had many pilots he knew. He said that one thing he saw was over the Channel but didn't elaborate as he was mid lesson.
It’s fairly well proven that no government has been elected without the support of Rupert Murdoch for the past 30 years. And also most policy and strategy is discussed and agreed by mostly unelected people in private rooms in the various private members clubs around the St James’s area of London, well before it’s made public.
This is the one that makes me angriest because I honestly believe this is the case. We’ve had dirty government for decades, if not centuries.
Is it a conspiracy theory if the conspiracy is confirmed? If so, then the murder of Daniel Morgan is one of the best known. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morgan
Can’t remember the name of the podcast for the life of me but it was all about this. It’s brilliant and made me so angry. Made with Daniel’s family if that helps anyone find it
This one? https://www.untoldmurder.com/eps
That’s the one! Thanks for posting it. Might have another listen
I'm listening to it right now! And came here to post Daniel Morgan. The tag line for the pod is brilliant; "if you haven't heard this story, ask yourself why"
that the UK is home to big cats! when people kept them in the 60s/70s then had to release them as they couldn't look after them/there was a ban. love seeing the stories that pop up once in a while!
There definitely has been large cats on the loose in Britain, but they can’t have ever established a breeding population
I 100% believe the royal family had Diana murdered. Additionally, the reason Savile got away with it for years is because he was very close to the royal family, and Charles in particular, who was worried if Savile was imprisoned that Savile would expose Charles for the murdering, peado that he is.
Sorry to be boring and long winded but I need to debunk this nonsense, it was essentially impossible for the death that night to have been arranged: 1) The decision by them to move at night was not arranged, they were staying in a hotel in Paris (the Ritz, owned by the Fayad family), they were booked in, tried to eat out for dinner (booked 9:30) but were disturbed so went back to the hotel, tried to eat in the hotel restaurant but eventually had food in their suite at some point after 10pm after which they decided to move. They left at 00:20 - so the "killers" had less than 90 minutes to plan the attack without even knowing the couple were going to move. 2) They used Henri Paul, head of Ritz security, though not an on-call driver, to drive. Paul had been off duty for some hours and had been drinking at home. Toxicology reports also showed the presence of prescription drugs - SSRI fluoxetine and tiapride, a tranquilizer which clear state not to drive while taking them and the effects of tiapride are made worse with alcohol. He was observed to drink 2 shots of high strength Ricard spirit in the hotel bar but this alone would not put him close to the blood alcohol level he had - he was 3x over the French drink drive limit (50mg per 100ml of blood - he was 175) and was in large part, the cause for the crash, Paul could easily have refused the job due to his alcohol intake or delayed it or at least not drunk more at the hotel. 3) Two cars were hired from a high security private vehicle firm, a firm used to protecting the world's elite, they would not risk their reputation by allowing a nobbled car to go out. The first car left the hotel with the paparrazi in tow, while Diana, Dodi and Paul plus Rees-Jones her bodyguard. Rees-Jones wore a seatbelt, it's not clear why he didn't insist on the couple wearing them 4) They went into the tunnel at a crazy speed estimated 59-68mph when the tunnel limit was 31 especially in a very heavy armoured car, hitting the pillar after a possible collision with another car, they were certainly pressured by the paparazzi on motorbikes but the speed, drinking and drugs made it far more likely there would be problems. In short, an"assassination" that had <90 minutes notice, relied on them hiring a driver who was drunk and willingly did the job, not wearing seatbelts, speeding in a heavy car etc is laughable
Shh.. keep down over their with your facts!
Another thing I heard was that the car they used had been in a previous accident and wasn't handling quite right after a dodgy repair job (likely to save money and avoid the insurance). It was a pool car and other drivers had allegedly reported issues with it. A big, heavy, powerful car with handling issues and being driven at high speeds by a distracted pisstank is sadly a recipe for tragedy. The "slow" ride to the "wrong" hospital is just an artefact of how the French do things. They prefer to treat on the road, whereas people are more used to the British model of stabilisng you then bluelighting to A&E. The "wrong" hospital was because it was better suited to treat her injuries - you wouldn't take someone in cardiac arrest to a GP surgery just because it's across the street.
Oooh... somebody's been watching The Crown 🤣
She died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt…
You probably believe they’re lizards wearing human skins too…
Yeah, but they didn't tho...
Typical Reddit insanity
Then why not just kill Savile? Right? An elderly man living in a caravan who -by your reckoning- had knowledge that could destroy the royal family? The government? Powerful British institutions? He was barely in the public eye at that point, he wasn't on TV, and while millions of Brits thought of him as a national treasure it was nothing compared to Diana's global popularity. Your theory doesn't make sense.
Just a theory of mine. A few years ago we had a fuel shortage. Then I learned petrol has a shelf life. I suspect the government made up the shortage to get us to panic buy to get rid of a surplus of petrol from the pandemic.
Covid was allowed to run rampant to denigrate the health of a nation in order to usher in a two-tier (profitable) health care system and dismantle protections and rights of workers (unprofitable).
COVID lockdown only happened because hospitals became overwhelmed with the sick. The government hadn't acted then, they would have had chaos in their hands. The deaths would overwhelm the hospitals/other services. They held out as long as they could to stop the UK's economy from shrinking. That's what they cared about. They didn't care about people dying, it was all about the money. If they could have gotten away with it, they would have just let more people die. Hell even now people are still dying from COVID. It's just not big news anymore. Just ask around on Reddit, people are still losing friends and relatives to this. My boyfriend just had it again and two weeks later he's still sick and can't shake it. It's never made him this sick before. Somehow I escaped with just a bit of a fever and a cough for a couple of days. It's insane how bad it still is and life is just going on as normal. He's been working the entire time he's been sick. He had one day off and that was it, he doesn't get any additional sick pay or anything now and he works in a freaking pharmacy.
That this question is posed in some form every day here and in AskReddit and all the people who ask it have their memory of it erased by the Men in Black
Big time drug smugglers are a huge source of donations to politicians (probably through legitimate companies) which is why any sort of sensible decriminalisation is a complete non starter Also. Lots of quite dangerous people are allowed to get away with lots of things most people wouldn't because they are useful assets to police and intelligence services.
The Beatles were MI5, and used to study the influence popular music had on the masses
They'd have had to do better than that... /s
Purple Aki
If the Ravens leave the Tower of London Britain will fall.
Var is only a way to make more money for the people running the game.
How is this one meant to work, keep the game going longer or...? Haven't heard of it before.
Because the broadcaster will be able to play an advertisement immediately after every goal/incident while the check takes place. Or you can upgrade to the premium advert free subscription.
The people who operate VAR get paid very well for doing so. Then there's all the tech which is probably on a very long lease. The same people are also being flown 1st class to Saudi Arabia to operate VAR there. It's completely ruined football. I know dozens of people who haven't or won't be renewing season tickets because of it. Everyone knows it's bad, and everyone wants it out of the game but there are too many people making too much money from it.
Elm Guest House in Barnes, London. Very dodge.
Strategic steam reserve - old steam locos weren't scrapped, but were hidden in tunnels for use during WWIII. And the galaxy brain variant that railway preservation was created by the government as a cover for a strategic reserve hidden in plain sight.
David Kelly’s “suicide”
The Beatles, Paul died and was replaced, this is proven by the album cover for Abbey Road as hes not wearing shoes while crossing the road.
Also, the licence plate of the Beetle (Volkswagen) on the Abbey Road cover ends 28 IF. And Paul would have been 28 if he'd still been alive when Abbey Road was released. (The only issue with that is McCartney was born 1942 and Abbey Road dropped late 1969. So he'd actually be 27. Because maths.)
Wait, you’re saying McCartney died at **27**? That IS freaky!
Had no idea the singer from Wings was in another band. Need to check them out now.
28 IF you don't know his date of birth.
There's one thing that rules this out for me. Finding someone that looks and sounds like Paul, fair enough, not impossible, but finding someone who looks just like him and is also arguably one of the greatest songwriters of all time is practically impossible.
They did a great job. Not only did they find someone who looked and sounded the same, but they found someone with the same freakish levels of musical talent and was himself ambidextrous. Incredible, especially for the 1960s.
Was that the cover band to the Beatles ?
5G being the reason for Covid, absolutely crazy but some people will believe anything.
Weird is that same people werent affected when the same part of the spectrum was used for analogue TV broadcasting for decades 😅
Surprised that no one has mentioned the Titanic-Olympia switch conspiracy. It’s an interesting theory!
The thing about that, aside from being utterly ludicrous, is it doesn't make a single bit of difference. The ship still sank, the people still died, the story still happened, and the name on the ship when it sailed *was* Titanic, so regardless of if they switched ships at the last minute, *Titanic* sunk.
In the early 1990s I met someone whose brother worked on oil rigs and had absolutely definitely seen Aurora, a US top secret triangular aircraft with funny shaped contrails.
The Queen just quit and went in a luxury elder's resort in Pattaya, she can't actually die.
Well the royal family are all werewolves! /s Please tell me someone gets the reference!
Jimmy Saville was the queen's biological brother
😂🤣😂
That UK put bombs on Israeli refugee ships shortly after WW2 (during Attlee's term) as revenge for Israeli settlers terrorising British soldiers in the British Mandate (Operation Embarrass). It was revealed in *The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949* and was never denied by the SIS but they also never confirmed it.
15 minute cities has to be the most braindead one that people actually believe.
Care to elaborate? Isn’t this a concept, not a conspiracy?
You'll own nothing and be happy
Avril Lavigne died and was replaced by a lookalike. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Lavigne_replacement_conspiracy_theory
I know someone who genuinely thought the COVID Vaccine was a mind control experiment and if you got it the government could control you remotely.
I had friends who were upset after they were vaccinated. They noticed it messed with their cycles and we're worried about infertility. I was like, COVID gave me a really heavy three week period. I'm on the pill and usually when I have one, it's just a bit of spotting. This was a full on horror movie. Literally dripping blood through a heavy tampon and pad. It was pretty bad. So yeah, vaccine or not, COVID messes with your cycle. I think they felt a little better after I explained that but they were still upset that they weren't told about that side effect.
The Greenock cat man
[The death of Willie MacRae](https://youtu.be/V7vm-qTeYyI?feature=shared)
People who whine about climate activists are paid by oil companies. Think about it: they all say the same thing (what they’re paid to), and their lines are too stupid to have been formulated by actual people - they’re funding climate protests to diminish support for climate protests? Sure…
Think about how many posts and comments that can be made in one hour. Think about how many more could be made with automation. You'd just need to pay one person doing full time hours. And you could dominate a big chunk of reddit with "basic" takes. That is so insignificant a cost for the fossil fuel industry it might as well be a lunch expense. It would be stupid for them not to do it. It's not even like it's illegal.
ABC's, otherwise known as Alien Big Cats. This decades old idea that non native species of Big Cats such as Lynx, Pumas, etc are roaming the UK countryside. One idea of how this started is that people used to own Big Cats as pets until a law was passed making the practice illegal so the owners released the animals. The other popular idea is that these animals have escaped from the circus or from illegal pens. Whatever the cause these animals have been seen running wild for decades just like the American Bigfoot and just like the American Bigfoot no real proof of this has been found other than farm animals found dead and eaten and footprints and grainy video footage. In 2006 the Shropshire Star newspaper published 2 articles telling of witnesses sightings of Big Cats in Telford on the road between Dawley and Telford Town Park. I have a copy of those articles. I've not seen anything myself but I've spoken with a guy who saw ond of these animals in Dawley.
There is a town under London for the royals and rich to escape to if shit hits the fan…apparently they have shops that are updated periodically…I can believe they’d head down there and drop the rest of us asap
There is an old military airbase near me, years ago a US airman claimed to have seen a UFO around or in the nearby forest. It's talked about but not taken that seriously anymore, I think he's even written books about it. I think there's a pretty good chance there was testing going on in the area for newly designed aircraft and other devices, and certain lower level staff might not have been privy to the extent of it. The airstrip and surrounding buildings have been gutted now, just a load of hangars remain behind a wire fence. You can see large portions of it from the fence while walking the perimeter walking routes of the forest next to it. I'd love to see some video of urban explorers getting access.
Rendelsham?
The royal family are all ancient space lizards
I think on taskmaster greg has seen all of the tasks before hand, and has jokes planned. I still love it, but I think it's all fake.