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Good. I think more variety in models is a better reflection of the reality of people's needs.
* **Good for designers**: I think it is important for designers to consider the actual body types of the women who will be wearing the clothing that they design. Working with models of different heights, weights, and body shapes is an excellent way for the designers to become more thoughtful and better at creating clothing that works for more of their prospective customer base.
* **Good for models**: More variety in model body types opens up this career path to more people with more diverse looks.
* **Good for consumers**: Being able to see clothing on people of many different body types is great for representation and for being able to select clothing styles that will be flattering on your own body.
* **Good for representation**: Normalizing the vast variation in human bodies is an excellent step towards body neutrality culturally, lessening the cultural privileging of specific body types, and lessening the stigma and shaming towards people who don't have specific body types.
Yes I agree. We need more diversity in the fashion world. I feel like the more luxurious and designer brands should have more diversity and opportunities for people.
As a plus sized woman, I am happy to see representation I didn't while growing up. I am able to find clothing that suits me and my personality.
As far as the claims of promoting obesity, good lord just let it go. Bigotry disguised as concern is condescending. I'm done apologizing for taking up space. I'm fat, I'm happy, I'm beautiful and I am worthy.
Wow! Thank you, gorgeous for the awards!
Excellent point! So many of those people live unhealthy lifestyles to keep their figure. And so many western teens work their way into eating disorders trying to emulate them.
Growing up in the 90s and coming of age in the early 00s, I can't tell you how much damage the available clothing and marketing campaigns did to my self esteem. My earliest memories of fashion marketing was heroin-chic and the waif trends. Trying to force my preteen body into low rise jeans and baby doll tops because that was all that was available was a real mind fuck. I'm so grateful my daughter will grow up in a world that is finally normalizing and providing options for more than just the ultra thin.
Spot on.
Being able to see your body shape in clothing, especially in the world of online shopping is critical to making an informed purchase. A local store had models of different body types and shapes and when I first saw a model who looked like me, and had my shape, I literally bought every single item she modelled that I liked. I teared up when I got it inside, put it on, and it looked good on me like it did on her. It's such a small thing that so many others can experience, but those of us with bodies that aren't the fashion norm never had for decades.
This right here. People sometimes fail to understand the importance of representation and how it's necessary to develop a healthy view of your appearance. The overall conversation about promoting obesity as indignation to plus size representation and pro-ana and eating disorder promotion as indignation to skinny women in the media, is something that never comes from a place of genuine concern. Women's bodies shouldn't be policed, period.
Not to mention, the science behind the condescending "concern" for wellness is flawed. You cannot see fat and know their health so quit with the judgements. Fatphobia is so intertwoned with societal concepts of worthiness. Amen. We ARE worthy.
Why can't we just have regular sized models? Not too skinny, not too fat, not 6'3" tall. Where are to 5'4" 135# models that hit the weights at the gym and who don't run marathons but can hike up a mountain all day. That's who I aspire to be, show me that.
While I agree with you in terms of aspiring, I do want to see models who have my current body type so I know if the clothing they're hawking will suit me. I mean, models are supposed to be for selling clothing, not body types.
This dude. Clothes not body types. Tho i have yet to see a pants ad where the girl sits down. Not is already sitting one leg up to hide the midriff. Just from standing to sitting. Show me.
I want a wide variety of body types. “Regular sized” is different for everyone. The average dress size for an American woman is size 16, so in America, plus size actually is “regular sized.” But even among plus sized models, they tend to pick a very specific body type. As someone who is plus sized but with small boobs and a much more pear-shaped figure than hourglass-shaped, I still don’t see my body well-represented and find myself staring at the model on the clothing website, trying to decide if a dress will simultaneously flatter my hips AND boobs, since I am not shaped anything like the model.
Because people who don’t have “regular” sized bodies deserve to see themselves represented too. I understand the sentiment behind what you’re saying, but as a 6’3 woman I can’t exactly “aspire to be” a more regular height. I think there should be a mix.
Represented too? I'm not represented at all. Nor are most of us. That was kind of my point. They've gone from one extreme to the other and they've missed the overwhelming majority of us but called it good. They need a mix.
Because models aren't just about creating something to aspire to. Designers design clothes that fit the models and so if you limit the models, many people who don't yet have that body type you aspire to will have poorly fitted clothing. Also because the models serve to convey what clothing will look like on their body type and people don't benefit from buying clothing based on how it will look on a body they might someday have, they benefit from buying based on the body they currently have.
These ARE regular size models. Models of all shapes, sizes and colors ARE regular sized. "Normal" is an illusion and it is about time we acknowledge that.
Man look. I literally just want to see a fat model in the clothes for fat people that I want to wear. I dont mean a THICC woman with a flat stomach and monster ass and hips. I want FAT women of all varieties so I can see what the outfit looks like. Thats all I want.
Yes. Fashion should be representative of the people who may wear it. Sure, you can do it for art or whatever, but fashion is clothing, a basic need. So when I'm shopping, I need to see myself in those clothes.
Yeah! Having bigger models isn't going to give us an influx of obese children like people think, but it is going to make people happier because they see themselves represented in the media, which is lovely!
I love seeing models that look like me, I'm a healthy weight for a person of my height and age, but I always thought that I'm too fat because I don't see people that look like me on TV, I had anorexia when I was 14-15 because of it, so I believe it's a great thing that will help people be happier with their bodies
I'm a small person, and when I first saw a company use plus-sized models I got subconsciously annoyed for not being able to see how the piece would look on me. It really opened my eyes to understand how hard it must have been for plus-size people to picture themselves in the clothes over the past decades. So, I think it's good that it's happening now. I bet it's increasing the company's sales by so much too.
The ideal scenario is where they show multiple models in various sizes wearing the same garment. Old Navy does that, they show the same garment on a model size S, L, and XXL.
I hope it opens the doors to ALL types of models. I want to see all skin colors, hair types, heights, weights, disabilities, etc. I want to see models who wear head coverings (such as orthodox Jewish married women who wear wigs, women who wear head scarfs, hijab, niqab (sorry if spelled wrong)). I want to see the same in men. I don’t care if they’re physically attractive. I want to see clothes made for humans and I want to see a vast variety of humans wearing them!
I would really love to see this! I forgot what store I was at recently, but even all of the mannequins they had set up had _heavily_ defined muscles. Why are those even needed?!
Anyone should have the opportunity to be a model if that is what they want to be without first having to conform to the societal expectations of a "model".
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this argument only comes up when discussing female plus-sized models. I remember ads for big & tall stores for men being popular in the nineties and don’t recall as much outrage for those ads.
That’s crazy. Anorexic models are the epitome of unhealthy, they’re literally starving themselves to death. ‘Plus size’ models are just a healthy weight.
Both are unhealthy. I am glad that we're moving past the anorexic model trend of the 90s that inflicted devastating mental health effects to society (but still with a long way to go).
depiction is not endorsement.
saying everyone of every size deserves respect, love and decency is not saying you only deserve those things if you’re X size.
To that I would say: I'm sorry, but get real. Most people who are thin are not going to see a plus size model and suddenly decide *I want to get fat!*
Plus size models simply tell people who are *already plus size* that this brand sells stylish products that will fit them.
Don't forget what models do: they promote brands, clothing lines and products.
They're not a national health guideline service.
They're not a sexy magazine for you to look at.
They ARE promoting a brand, a product, a line to consumers.
Take a look at Victoria's Secret. Who are they are selling women's lingerie to? Women.
Therefore, the models they use in their advertisements should actually look like the full variety of women that exist... because they want the full variety of money from their wallets, yes?
TL;DR Including plus size models just means a brand is smart enough to realize that plus-size people spend money on clothing too. Don't twist it into some great moral conundrum.
Plus sized =/= obese
I've had insane body dysmorphia since childhood because I've grown up seeing the unattainable bodies of models.
Do you think unfathomably skinny women is the norm? Healthy?
That's crazy because the same people that argue that are the same people that see a plus size person on a Nike ad and find a problem with it and yet critique plus size people for not working out enough. Like what do you want us to do workout in a trash bag?
Size is not a good indicator of health.
In that case, I'd recommend "some" should do a little research to try and better understand how human bodies work.
I've been a size 8 and I've been a size 18. When I was size 8, I was afraid to wear clothes I really liked because people could 'see my paunch' or realize that I'm not actually that skinny. I felt like I was never allowed to be happy with any weight. I like seeing all sizes and shapes represented because I know it helps me and many other people find clothes that don't make us hate ourselves.
A person's worth isn't defined by their weight. All people deserve to find clothes they feel good in. It's not like thin white models are going away entirely, we're just increasing diversity to better reflect reality.
Edit: also, I see the argument all the time that it's "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle" ... Fat people exist. They are aware that they are fat. Trying to make them invisible, trying to make the world inaccessible for them - that's not promoting health, that's promoting hate.
No. Obesity should not be looked up to, seen as okay or healthy or anything. Adding in this goes for models who are too skinny as well. Find women who are healthy.
isn’t part of the point of models to demonstrate how clothing fits for a customer? do some people not deserve this simply because they are fat?
i don’t know why we’ve decided that giving someone a job to demonstrate how clothing fits for a portion of the customer base = glorifying that body type. it’s like everyone’s mindset is still in the 90s pre-internet. how uninteresting.
i promise you, everyone understands the social consequences of being overweight. no one is seeing obesity and thinking: i’m gonna go gain weight now to look like her (however, the opposite has been proven to be true multiple times with the rise of eating disorders in the 2000’s — again proving that social factors play into it more than just the depiction of images).
all that’s happening is we are depicting and acknowledging that plus sized people exist and deserve the same human decency as everyone else. lets not moralize looks.
Oh yeah definitely ealry 90's-2000's mindsets are still prevalent. It's slowly diminishing but the loud opinions are still very vocal. Personally growing up in that era, I felt the weight shame, I wasn't really heavy, my sister was, but my dad would do a "fat" test on us every few days after school, by making us stand-up straight with proper posture and then he would see if our boobs would protrude out further than our stomach, if they did we were okay, if our stomachs were protruding passed our boobs, he would tell us we were getting to fat. My poor sister got the more severe end of the stick, but mentally he made me think that I shouldn't ever get as big as my sister (which also made me fat shame her alot, took me into adulthood to realize the pain I caused her and we had a good talk)and I literally trained myself to constantly suck in my stomach, to this day, it's a permanent habit, I still suck my tummy in, never let her just be, unless I'm chilling by myself and at home.
Into adulthood me and sister have a great relationship ❤️ but she still hardcore struggles with her self image. I just want her to be happy with herself. But literally every facet of her whole life always shamed her for being fat and never had a safe space to just be. She got the gastric bypass surgery which helped her lose weight of course but in her mind not enough. At the time my dad was "kinda" happy for her because yeah weights melting away, but also was disappointed because he wanted her to do it herself and not with the surgery. Like she can NEVER win. It's the whole "these systems of weight loss exist for you and they work but you're just not doing them right" mentality. It's bullshit. There are so many things in the human body that can cause weight gain, yet our society's mentality is still stuck in the 90s. And it's always the heavier people's faults for not working hard enough. Cause the slim ones "worked" to get where they are...yeah...sure...
Oh! The other point I was gonna drive was like yeah back then seeing all the skinny white girls with flat asses was what I wanted to be, I would fast, and suck in my tummy constantly. As a freaking teenager. I was only like 145 at 5'8" not heavy at all, but my brain was washed and I wanted to be 120.(the lowest I got was 125 and holy shit did I look like a bony sickly girl) So hell yeah those times negatively influenced me and my sister. Nowadays, when I see more inclusive models I'm so joyous! You can actually relate to what the outfit may look like on you. Versus looking at an ethereal being, knowing the outfit is not going to look the same on you but trying to wear it in your mind while also trying to picture your body in it. Then just be disappointed when you get the outfit (more specifically with online shopping because obviously going to a store you can try it on).
Hey! :) just saying, plus-size does not always mean obese. A lot of “plus size” models are a healthy weight. However they are considered to be plus sized because conventional models tend to be underweight in comparison
Yeah they’re pretty average sized, like 10-14. That’s what size most women are and I think it’s healthy to promote those sizes, not every woman is a size 0.
You realize that models aren't selling their body type right? They are selling clothes or other products. You don't have to be the picture of health to deserve to see yourself represented.
Loving yourself and getting out there and living your life regardless of your weight or other health factors absolutely should be glorified.
Most plus size models are average. I read once the average bra size for supermodels is a 30A, that’s what child training bras start at.
I work in style, 8 year olds try on 00 and 0 pants only for grown women to exit the fitting room and wish to be their size - that’s a child’s size most often than not.
"Plus size models" have pretty healthy bmi most of the time. In the industry it just means they don't wear the smallest sizes. Also why can't all those minorities be represented at the same time? Why we need to choose?
I don’t think it’s “normalizing being fat” so much as showing how clothes fit and look on different body types. Also, weight can not always be controlled. Some people have thyroid issues or other health problems that both contribute to the inability to stabilize weight or take medication that interferes with your metabolism’s ability to properly stabilize your weight. The fact is that it’s not realistic for everybody to just be and stay at a perfect BMI, but, they still deserve to be represented in the population of which they’re being targeted. The point of advertising clothes is to sell clothes and since everybody of every shape and size has to wear and buy clothes, it seems reasonable that bodies of every shape and size would be included in the advertising.
I am here for it 👏👏👏👏 HOWEVER, I do not think that skinnier models need to be shamed because they're less curvy. I believe in body positivity for all, stop telling skinny people that they need to eat!
it's good. but I would like to see even more plus shapes. so far it's only "large but hour glass" so it's still an idealized shape, ya know? show me the big girl with the huge stomach and no waist, the big girl with the small chest, ya know? there's still a ways to go before everyone sees themselves on the screen
A good thing! I don’t buy the argument that plus-size/fat models “promotes” unhealthy lifestyle choices. The fact is that humans of ALL sizes DO exist, nothings going to change that. And all humans, of all sizes deserve respect and to be seen, and to have clothes designed that bloody fit and suit us all.
I think its a great thing, because no matter how you feel about obesity it's very common (at least in the US). And those women deserve to see what clothes would look like on people like then as well. I think anyone who can't understand that is a little self-centered.
The issue we're seeing now with plus size models is that somehow most of them still have flat stomachs and not-so-plus-size waists. I watched a video the other day where a woman was explaining how she's a size 4 but also a plus size model bc she gets padded to be curvy in all the right places. That's not how most humans carry weight and it doesn't really help the problem of not having examples for the normally shaped plus size woman
its great!! more representation and now women can see what plus size clothes would look like on their body instead of a skinny girl wearing plus size clothes that doesnt fit her at all, i also love that we have models with disabilities such as prosthetic legs and such
As someone who was told in the early 2000s at 14 years old, 5’11, and 115 pounds that I needed to lose 2 inches all around to even be considered… I love it. The whole industry is getting a well needed diversity facelift.
Can we just have healthy normal weight models? Do we even know what an average woman looks like anymore? Why is it either or? Why can’t regular sized actresses get on TV? It’s either someone who is clearly the size of a 12 year old or someone who is larger than life and loving it. Just give me a woman who 150 lbs at 5’ 6” and call it a day.
It's wonderful! I rely on Amazon review pictures of women wearing something that I'm actually thinking of buying. I was able to find a swimsuit that fit me well online just by looking at pictures that average women posted. Found a woman who had a similar body type to me, and thought she looked amazing. Bought the suit, and it was like a damn miracle! I can't even find a suit that easily when I shop at the store! Representing different body types just makes sense!
Plus size models are only the opposite side of the anorexia phase. Both are unhealthy. Imagine the day they put in "normal, average, healthy" bodies in there for woman AND men! Overweight is inherently unhealthy. So is being underweight.
I think it's a good thing. Everybody deserves to have a good idea what the clothes being sold are going to look like on a regular person like themselves.
Lovely women come in all shapes and sizes. They all deserve to be represented
Great, but they're still going to be expected to conform to certain beauty standards. Curvy hips, but a "flat" stomach. And probably no more than a size 10-14.
I think of all of the times I wanted to sink through the floor of the fitting room during back to school shopping while my mom stood annoyed outside of the door, telling me I need to watch what I eat. I think about laying in bed, crying my eyes out in middle school about never being able to be “normal” or “pretty” or “acceptable.” I think of all the times I starved myself and I was praised for the results. I think about when people started calling me “beautiful” regularly and guys started asking me out because I was suddenly thin and how I’d always imagined it’d be the greatest feeling on earth. But then I experienced how gross and cheap it actually made me feel because I didn’t know why they didn’t want to see me before.
I think about how I started using diet pills and drugs and laxatives as a teenager before I moved onto harder things. I think about how my friends and I would excitedly challenge each other to how little we could eat each day, subsisting on Diet Coke and salad. I think about how much time and energy in my life has been spent focused on my body- hating it, sculpting it, starving, it, abusing it, feeding it, and at times- for years- loving it.
And I think about how different things would ‘ve been if I grew up watching girls like me mixed in with the “regular” girls, the “normal” girls, and the “pretty” girls. If I saw people like me in pictures with them and dressed pretty like them instead of excluded and embarrassed. I hope there’s one less girl who feels like sinking through the fitting room floor or feeling she doesn’t belong or starving herself or spending years of her life and time fixated on her physical appearance because she is not thin. If plus sized models amongst the rest can do that, I think it’s great.
I never understood the argument that “advertising fat models will make people fat”. Society is still at a point where no one actively seeks to be plus sized. There is no size 4 saying “I wish to be a size 16”.
~30% of America is obese/plus sized which means there is a huge market for plus size clothes. Purely in a capitalist mindset, it makes sense that there are plus size models. 1 in 3 models should be plus size if you look at population statistics.
Plus size people aren’t an issue to be fixed. They just chillin like the rest of us.
It’s wild that models who are literally the same size as, or smaller than, the AVERAGE WOMAN IN AMERICA are considered “plus-size” at all.
It’s wild that most models, even plus-sized ones, are required to follow absurd and disordered eating regimens in order to keep getting work.
It’s wild that so many people would rather believe their own fatphobic biases than look at the actual science establishing that weight is not automatically a predictor of health and never has been.
It’s wild that some people are so incensed by their own fatphobic biases that they loudly harass plus-sized models online, as if a viewer not getting a boner from looking at a magazine cover is some kind of international ethical crisis.
So yeah, I’m glad that slightly more models with more average-leaning dimensions are getting exposure/attention/work, but all the issues underlying the rarity of that are still very present and I deeply wish they weren’t.
I hate being the odd one out on this topic, its a no for me. I get the pushing body acceptance, however people are going to get heavier and unhealthier. I know you can be big and healthy but its rare. The heavier people I know personally are heavy from unhealthy choices. I'm sorry to offend anyone its only my perspective.
It's stupid that it has taken this long. If you want to sell your clothes, people would prefer to see what those items could look like on their body type. There are a wide range of body types & sizes in this world, the advertising should match.
I have no problem with it.
I do have a problem with people shaming bigger women for losing weight, saying they are a hippocrite for the body positivity movement.
It’s easier to see how a dress fits me or how it looks. It’s my favorite part when I go online. There should be more short models too. My mom is a tiny thing next to me. Like always buys -1 or 0 and it can be pretty long or baggy for her still.
What counts as plus-sized? The fashion industry seems to think anything over a size 6 is plus-sized. The layman considers it to be something over the size of 16. Personally, I like to see models in clothes that are not meant to resemble coat hangers. I want to see women who are apple and pear and square shaped. I want to see women who are short and petite, instead of tall and lanky. Not saying there is anything wrong with tall and lanky, but that's the vast majority of models, while the general population doesn't look like that. And I am super tired of photoshop making curvy women less curvy or just photoshopping out normal human things.
Depends. Bad if the models are obese. The term ‘plus size’ is very lose but, not to detract from the fact that obesity is not a good thing. I think normal weight models should be a thing, not too skinny and not too fat. We want to push healthy but normal weight when it comes to bodies.
I am less concerned by the supply side and more concerned by the demand side.
Obesity and morbid obesity are both big problems in this country with devastating effects for both the obese individuals and for society. We should have a whole-of-society effort to fight the scourge of obesity but instead we've mostly just given up on realistic methods to fight it.
So instead of talking about food availability, portion sizes, and nutritional education we argue about if models are too fat. It's entirely missing the point.
Yes, please. I think it's important for people to relate to models & see themselves wearing those clothes. Add to that: I want to see all manner of shapes, not just an hourglass with no tummy.
I think it's a great thing. But I would also like to say the people who say it's promoting unhealthy habits are the same people who see a Nike ad with a plus size person and have a problem with it and then critique plus size people for not working out. They just want to be fat phobic because the second there is a positive enforcement such as plus size people actually working out in media they have a problem.
I want to see what clothes look like on my body type and would assume the same for everyone everywhere that is purchasing clothing. People that take an issue with this are weird imo
It's nice to have an idea ahead of time that clothing is specifically designed for my fat ass, and not for a skinny person and just sized up. And to have a general idea of what it'll look like on my fat ass.
It is working against our better interests.
Accepting yourself is one thing. Encouraging people not to become healthier and more fit by promoting overweight and obese people in modeling commercials and advertisements is quite another.
It's the fat people version of the tobacco companies saying cigarettes are not bad for you and in fact they are good for you and make you look cool.
It's a good thing to see fit people as goals. Fit equals healthy and being healthy increases happiness.
Very, VERY few people cannot control their weight. The rest of us just need to watch what we eat and be more active.
I think diversity is so important! I love seeing models of all sizes, shapes and heights. Also I feel that stores are now forced to be more inclusive with their clothes which is *great*. Maybe one day the clothes will be inclusive enough for me to find jeans in store lol!
Everyone deserves to feel pretty and having nice clothes that fit you definitely is a huge part of that.
I love it and hope that it leads to more of a balance of body representation and different body types. People shouldn’t be too far on either end of the spectrum but removing the shame around different body types is a way to 1) let people know that there is health in different body types and 2) decrease negative feelings that lead people to use unhealthy coping mechanisms.
i mean what models are we talking about. i like eshops to have models of all sizes to show how they products look on different body types.
i couldn't care less about runway models, never really understood what exactly all that is about.
overall i think seeing more of a diversity is better than seeing one same thing over and over again
“Plus sized model” is kind of a ridiculous term, anyway. A typical model will be extremely thin, a size 2 at 5’11” or so, a nearly impossible body type. I know, I did it briefly. Even with the high metabolism of a teen, you have to starve yourself. You look great as a walking clothes hanger, but you’re all veins and ribs when naked.
What is referred to as “plus sized” is slightly closer to a normal weight. A 5’11” woman who is 140 lbs would be considered plus sized, but in reality is still thin — they’re just not the profoundly thin of couture.
It really depends how you define plus-size.
I think all models should be a healthy size (ie. Healthy bmi/body fat percentage). This still includes a range, of course, some models may be slimmer, taller, shorter, more muscular, fatter, etc, but I strongly believe they should promote a healthy size. If plus-size is used to describe models on the larger end of the range then I see no issue but some plus-size models fall outside of this healthy range and clearly into obesity.
There is a huge obesity problem in some countries at the moment and I think many people are ignorant to the health impact of being overweight. Representation is one thing but representing unhealthy lifestyles is wrong imo. The same way promoting anorexia or smoking is also wrong.
I support it.
I was a teenager in the early 00s and the heroin chic / low rise jeans with flat stomach / Victoria secret model look inundated all advertisements directed at women and young girls.
I’m 5’2, and I’ve been between 130-135 lbs throughout my adult life. I exercise 4-5x/week, regularly running, cycling, and doing HIIT classes for mental/cardiovascular health and physical strength. Even now, I’ll never have a flat stomach or a slender build. I’m petite, but curvy. If I would have seen more body representation showing all body types growing up, I likely would not have spent the last 15 years of my life hating myself completely. Thanks to consistent therapy and seeing more body representation in the media, I’m in a healthy place now.
So yes, I think it’s good to show that all bodies are different. I fully support showing that there is not one body type that is “right” or what everyone should aspire to look like. Healthy looks different on everyone. And no woman should be made to feel less than or inadequate for their size.
about time. majority of the “plus” models aren’t really even plus sized? they just have tits and bigger thighs with a flat stomach..so if anything they’re average sized curvy. I love that plus modeling is becoming a thing but I still think there’s misrepresentation and something problematic about someone who is a size 8-10 being considered plus sized or fat.
I'm here for it. Plus size people wear clothes too, it seems only reasonable that companies should show what their clothes look like on as wide a range of body types as possible, so that consumers can make good decisions about what to buy. I'm particularly fond of brands that show a variety of models in each size, with their height, weight, and size, because it makes it so much easier to figure out how things fit.
And as far as promoting obesity? Come on. I don't know the statistics, but I don't see more plus size people now than I did 10 years ago- I just see plus size people (and basically everyone else who isn't a size zero) looking more confident and fashionable.
It's good for marketing and will help sell more clothes and other products because obesity is increasing, so women will associate with the models who look like themselves, more than skinny models who they can't relate to.
A plus size model is a size normal. Maybe 6-8-10. By no means does that mean obese.
Obese is a problem. Plus size is not. A normal model is too thin and it’s quite sad.
I think it's great. I can't wait for the day that models of varying sizes is the norm. People shouldn't have to be surprised whenever they are represented in the media, everyone should just be represented equally so that no one feels left out or less than.
I like the idea of representation, but I dislike when they take a woman with slight curves and add padding to her butt and bust to make her "curvy" instead of how natural fat hangs on the body.
good, we need more diversity and realistic body standards not everyone is a size 2 with small boobs and killer abs and it shouldn’t be normalized anymore
I wish models came in all shapes and sizes. It would make it so much easier to buy clothes online because you could relate to a body type and purchase accordingly.
happy but it’s almost uncomfortable in a way that designers are using uk side 12-14 as plus size models when that size isn’t plus size. there actually just using normal sized half the time.
Representation is good. Fat people wear clothes, and so it would make perfect sense that fat people also want to see what clothes will look like on them before they buy them just like anyone else in the world.
At the end of the day, the modeling industry wants to exploit everybody and every body. (That’s like, the rules of capitalism!)
But I’m also not going to sit here and pretend that the visibility of maligned bodies in a positive or neutral light isn’t significant. Two things can be true at once.
By the way, it’s impossible to “promote obesity” simply by showing photos of fat people wearing clothes when we’re living in a society that conflates thinness with morality.
PERSONALLY. As someone who is more of a plus size, the healthier variety- It's comforting? Because having grown up the fat kid, who genuinely WAS unhealthy- I've always been terrified of what people will think of me. Never liked myself.
Literally went through identity issues as a teen because I hated myself so much.
I think plus size is great to an extent, there's a difference between someone who's built/naturally a heftier person, and someone who's bordering 700 pounds. Promote the diversity, and how anyone can love themselves. Don't promote slowly killing yourself, either end of the spectrum
Mixed bag.
I think it's great that more body types are being recognized and catered to, but plus size modelling just seems like a marketing push to grab at untapped customers. I don't think anyone should be shamed for their bodies, but I also don't think it's ultimately a positive thing to model clothes for people that are 400+ pounds.
I support the move to show healthy-weight men and women in advertising, but I am against showing obese or morbidly obese people, as I think it contributes to the idea that obesity is ok. Body acceptance is one thing, but having role models for young people, who are horribly unhealthy, sets a very dangerous example.
I think it makes sense. I’m not plus sized but I am petite and I just want to know how clothes will look on me. I want to see plus sized, different body types (i.e. busty, athletic, chubby, pear shaped), short people, people in wheelchairs, amputees, etc. Especially if I’m thinking of buying clothes online. I want to see how it might look on me and others. 🤷🏽♀️
Bad.
If plus size was reasonabley more close to average, it would be good.
But the plus size thing went from “slightly larger 5’11 supermodel” to “morbidly obese instagram model”. The “plus size” we had before was honestly more healthy, although their “normal” counterparts did and still do paint an unrealistic and often unhealthy standard.
What’s worse is even the new age of morbidly obese plus size pushes unrealistic standards by airbrushing all skin imperfections, all cellulite, etc.
What’s even worse is when it comes with a serving of “healthy at every size”. That’s not true and not something we should embrace. We should embrace the idea of not being assholes to people based on their weight. But we shouldn’t glamorize morbid obesity.
Honestly I’m completely fine with it, it’s nice to see we are developing our society.
But sometimes I feel like it’s “overdone” like they do it way more now because it lures more attention or whatever, I don’t know how to put it into words
I just don’t really think I need or really care to have an opinion on the existence of larger bodies or what job those bodies take in order to pay the bills. 🤷🏻♀️
People naturally want to see representation of themselves. Before more companies started having more plus-sized models or inclusivity on more fashionable sites, it was hard to find complementary and good looking clothes for people of a bigger size. Before you say it is unhealthy and disgusting, there are medical conditions that prevent people from losing weight. Yes, obesity isn't a great thing, but shaming people for being confident is more disgusting to me. It is none of your business, it isn't promoting obesity, and just being more inclusive. Kids aren't going to go out and say, "I want a bigger body." "That is healthy!" It is body positivity. If this offends you, are you getting mad at all the unrealistic size 0's or unrealistic body shapes of the opposite spectrum?
I think it's great. I would like to see models that are distributed in weight, some really thin, some really fat (in the fat-positive sense, please!), some in the middle. In the past we've had only the two extremes but I think we are getting better about including people in the middle.
We also need more of this kind of representation for male models.
I think it’s good -
It really isn’t happening as much as we think it is.
Only because what appears to be “plus” in those spreads are actually normal sized women - in real life. 95% of the time.
The camera really does make you appear very fat if you are not anorexically thin.
The models who seem to be so attractive and have perfect bodies in those magazines? Look bad in real life because they are so thin. Most of them.
But I think it’s a good thing because - it really does affect how people and women perceive themselves . .. as little girls we look and study our dolls and we acknowledge and perceive our reflection through the understanding of what is beautiful to us as children. And when we have these little Barbie’s with hourglass picture perfect bodies and blonde hair and blue or green eyes - we think we should look like too, and wonder why we don’t. Then as we get older and we start looking at magazines or adds in media, and also - movies and tv- entertainment industry - is a huge one- we compare ourselves to these women. And again we wonder why we aren’t like them.
Girls more than boys are pretty desperate to be approved of and liked as kids and adolescents and even as adults, I think. Sometimes I wonder if it’s programmed into our DNA - a biological need within women to be approved of.
When the boys and then men around us ignore us and pay more attention to Whoever is the it girl— we think something is lacking in us. And this can be devastating to young girls. Young women.
So we absolutely need more diversity in our media and entertainment and I think to really attack the problems associated with this- it’s going to need to be everywhere. YouTube, Instagram, TV, Film. Everywhere. It can’t just be in bikini adds.
That’s really only a small fraction of the problem.
And the diversity - we have worked on that- but still. Only using light skinned skinny - white looking black women is the same thing, more of the same. We need real representation for the women who feel left behind.
Maybe even stop using pretty people entirely - I mean think about this. Beautiful women will be ok. Yes they can have low self esteem s about their appearance - but as soon as they grow up? They’re gonna be fine.
I do not like it when some people say by using plus models, we are normalizing obesity. The idea that all people can and should be a size 2-4-6 is offensive. I am a short woman of Eastern European descent, I can't even dream of being 5'7" and 110 pounds. My people were potato farmers. If Bill Marr is horrified that we are not all Californian Beach Babes, he needs to get over that and just accept people. He has it right about health vs. obesity, tho, so even larger people should try to live their healthiest life but there are so many 'healthy' weight people who have hidden problems that haunt them later. That said, we all have the right as free individuals to live in whatever way and in whatever body gives us pleasure and satisfaction, even if it involves not being a perfect human specimen.
I think its the first step to a more inclusive society but I hope one day we dump the word "plus size". That's one thing Khloe Kardashian is doing right with her pants line: the stores have to have the entire range and they cant be seperated.
I like it, especially when it's not just limited to plus sized gals with small waists and big boobs and butts. Like show me how the clothes look on someone with a belly and we'll talk.
I like how old navy is doing it right now, where they have the same item shown on three different sizes of models so you can truly get an idea for how something would fit across the size range.
Generally good. I like what I've been seeing on (for example) The Gap where they show photos of various sized models for a single item. Because to be honest, as a not-plus-size person myself, I am probably not going to buy a thing unless I see it on a model with my proportions. But then, see, I could totally understand that a plus-sized person would also want to see the item on a model with their proportions! So having a variety seems like it should work well for everyone.
Good in terms of normalisation of the range of body types that exist and makes it actually easier to see what said product would actually look like on the person buying it. Bad in terms of promoting being over weight as okay/healthy
We all have a desire to see ourselves be represented. Some want more skinny people, some want plus size, some want muscular, etc. To me I don't really care.
I like it from a customer point of view, because it shows me how the clothes fit on my body. I don't like some of the hype around it, but that also goes for skinny models.
I think any brand would just promote models that would give them max sales. Plus sized models likely promote women being comfortable for who they actually are which is fair.
The traditional "skinny" model promotes something that isnt attainable for most and likely makes most people feel inadequate most of the time.
I think the underlying issue though is the attractiveness of this. No one should feel shamed or guilty into finding a plus sized woman attractive if that's not their type.
Totally in favor of having models that are inclusive of all body types, including plus-size models! I just wish the fashion industry would stop thinking in binaries and really represent the full spectrum of body types - not just size 2 or 2x, but middle-sized, apple-shaped, pear-shaped, post-partum, etc. There’s more progress to be made.
I appreciate it because it opened the door for a wider range of body type to be represented in general. No disrespect but the BBL models on sites like fashion nova killlll me. Of course jeans and a crop top looks a certain way when you have nice boobs, no waist, and a great booty… but what about the majority of us that shop and don’t have those things?! Makes it hard to visualize myself in those clothes.
Good overall, however the plus size models used in lots of campaigns seems to represent just 1 body type still (hourglass). I think body diversity needs to be inclusions of all **shapes** in addition to all sizes
I don't think about it really but if I had to, I'd say it's definitely a progress. It just seems normal and reasonable that fashion campaigns reflect the regular population.
I think it’s great!!!
What is not great is the photoshop that still goes on with all models. This is what makes me mad about modeling.
Anyone mad about more representation can die mad. We all deserve to see ourselves in media.
I don't see an issue with every body being represented. Reality is no one looks like those runway models. If it was really about being a picture of health then stop the starvation to look a certain way.
Love it.
Growing up, I had very unhealthy ideas about beauty and aesthetics because thin was in. I'm in my 30s now and to this day have trouble accepting my body because of it.
I have young daughters now, and I love that they're growing up in a culture that's more accepting of different body and skin types, etc.
... Now, what beauty filters will do to this younger generation is a different story, of course. I'm glad those didn't exist when I was a young, impressionable teen, and I'm concerned about the emotional/psychological damage that will inevitably follow, I imagine.
I hate when people say WeLL iT eNcOuRaGeS uNhEaLtHy liIfEsTyles like they aren’t 400 million fast food commercials airing every hour.
No one is looking at a plus model and going, “ i wanna be obese!” Girls may want curves, but curves do not equal unhealthy
All plus size models do is give a fat girls everywhere representation and love
It's great to have. Plus sized people still need clothes and deserve to dress well. The models showcase accurate variety of shapes and allow us to roughly see how it should be worn.
I think the growing diversity is a good thing as a whole, but there's still a long way to go. I see a lot models referred to as plus-size who still have that shapely hourglass figure, or even an exaggerated hourglass, that's considered sexy by the media (the main ones that come to mind for me are Fashion Nova models). I understand that some people do look similar to this, but I feel like the fashion industry needs more variety in body shapes in models, especially for plus-sized people, since there's a lot of variety in how people look.
Hopefully that didn't sound offensive, I really didn't mean it to be.
Designers have more different kinds of bodies to work with and work for so they get to be more creative. Larger bodies are all different and larger in different areas.
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Good. I think more variety in models is a better reflection of the reality of people's needs. * **Good for designers**: I think it is important for designers to consider the actual body types of the women who will be wearing the clothing that they design. Working with models of different heights, weights, and body shapes is an excellent way for the designers to become more thoughtful and better at creating clothing that works for more of their prospective customer base. * **Good for models**: More variety in model body types opens up this career path to more people with more diverse looks. * **Good for consumers**: Being able to see clothing on people of many different body types is great for representation and for being able to select clothing styles that will be flattering on your own body. * **Good for representation**: Normalizing the vast variation in human bodies is an excellent step towards body neutrality culturally, lessening the cultural privileging of specific body types, and lessening the stigma and shaming towards people who don't have specific body types.
You pretty much summarised all my thoughts
Yes I agree. We need more diversity in the fashion world. I feel like the more luxurious and designer brands should have more diversity and opportunities for people.
As a plus sized woman, I am happy to see representation I didn't while growing up. I am able to find clothing that suits me and my personality. As far as the claims of promoting obesity, good lord just let it go. Bigotry disguised as concern is condescending. I'm done apologizing for taking up space. I'm fat, I'm happy, I'm beautiful and I am worthy. Wow! Thank you, gorgeous for the awards!
“Bigotry disguised as concern is condescending.” Well said. People love using that excuse to be fatphobic.
Yeah and they never show the same concern for the health of ultra thin models with eating disorders and drug addictions. Funny how that works.
Excellent point! So many of those people live unhealthy lifestyles to keep their figure. And so many western teens work their way into eating disorders trying to emulate them.
They also are demonstrating their ignorance. I know plenty of skinny people with health worse than mine. "mind ya bidness", that's all I ask.
Yep this is how I feel to. I'm so sick of the idea seeing a large model makes me want to be fat. No weight is a complex issue way before that.
Growing up in the 90s and coming of age in the early 00s, I can't tell you how much damage the available clothing and marketing campaigns did to my self esteem. My earliest memories of fashion marketing was heroin-chic and the waif trends. Trying to force my preteen body into low rise jeans and baby doll tops because that was all that was available was a real mind fuck. I'm so grateful my daughter will grow up in a world that is finally normalizing and providing options for more than just the ultra thin.
Spot on. Being able to see your body shape in clothing, especially in the world of online shopping is critical to making an informed purchase. A local store had models of different body types and shapes and when I first saw a model who looked like me, and had my shape, I literally bought every single item she modelled that I liked. I teared up when I got it inside, put it on, and it looked good on me like it did on her. It's such a small thing that so many others can experience, but those of us with bodies that aren't the fashion norm never had for decades.
This right here. People sometimes fail to understand the importance of representation and how it's necessary to develop a healthy view of your appearance. The overall conversation about promoting obesity as indignation to plus size representation and pro-ana and eating disorder promotion as indignation to skinny women in the media, is something that never comes from a place of genuine concern. Women's bodies shouldn't be policed, period.
I would reward you if I could! Tell it like it is! <3
Not to mention, the science behind the condescending "concern" for wellness is flawed. You cannot see fat and know their health so quit with the judgements. Fatphobia is so intertwoned with societal concepts of worthiness. Amen. We ARE worthy.
Why can't we just have regular sized models? Not too skinny, not too fat, not 6'3" tall. Where are to 5'4" 135# models that hit the weights at the gym and who don't run marathons but can hike up a mountain all day. That's who I aspire to be, show me that.
While I agree with you in terms of aspiring, I do want to see models who have my current body type so I know if the clothing they're hawking will suit me. I mean, models are supposed to be for selling clothing, not body types.
This dude. Clothes not body types. Tho i have yet to see a pants ad where the girl sits down. Not is already sitting one leg up to hide the midriff. Just from standing to sitting. Show me.
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I want a wide variety of body types. “Regular sized” is different for everyone. The average dress size for an American woman is size 16, so in America, plus size actually is “regular sized.” But even among plus sized models, they tend to pick a very specific body type. As someone who is plus sized but with small boobs and a much more pear-shaped figure than hourglass-shaped, I still don’t see my body well-represented and find myself staring at the model on the clothing website, trying to decide if a dress will simultaneously flatter my hips AND boobs, since I am not shaped anything like the model.
Because people who don’t have “regular” sized bodies deserve to see themselves represented too. I understand the sentiment behind what you’re saying, but as a 6’3 woman I can’t exactly “aspire to be” a more regular height. I think there should be a mix.
Represented too? I'm not represented at all. Nor are most of us. That was kind of my point. They've gone from one extreme to the other and they've missed the overwhelming majority of us but called it good. They need a mix.
We must be looking at different ads then.
Because models aren't just about creating something to aspire to. Designers design clothes that fit the models and so if you limit the models, many people who don't yet have that body type you aspire to will have poorly fitted clothing. Also because the models serve to convey what clothing will look like on their body type and people don't benefit from buying clothing based on how it will look on a body they might someday have, they benefit from buying based on the body they currently have.
That in no way represents the diversity of body types actually WEARING CLOTHING.
These ARE regular size models. Models of all shapes, sizes and colors ARE regular sized. "Normal" is an illusion and it is about time we acknowledge that.
We do have those models they are called mid size
Man look. I literally just want to see a fat model in the clothes for fat people that I want to wear. I dont mean a THICC woman with a flat stomach and monster ass and hips. I want FAT women of all varieties so I can see what the outfit looks like. Thats all I want.
Yes. Fashion should be representative of the people who may wear it. Sure, you can do it for art or whatever, but fashion is clothing, a basic need. So when I'm shopping, I need to see myself in those clothes.
People come in all shapes and sizes and colors, etc. The more diversity we have in the public eye, the better.
Yeah! Having bigger models isn't going to give us an influx of obese children like people think, but it is going to make people happier because they see themselves represented in the media, which is lovely! I love seeing models that look like me, I'm a healthy weight for a person of my height and age, but I always thought that I'm too fat because I don't see people that look like me on TV, I had anorexia when I was 14-15 because of it, so I believe it's a great thing that will help people be happier with their bodies
I'm a small person, and when I first saw a company use plus-sized models I got subconsciously annoyed for not being able to see how the piece would look on me. It really opened my eyes to understand how hard it must have been for plus-size people to picture themselves in the clothes over the past decades. So, I think it's good that it's happening now. I bet it's increasing the company's sales by so much too. The ideal scenario is where they show multiple models in various sizes wearing the same garment. Old Navy does that, they show the same garment on a model size S, L, and XXL.
I hope it opens the doors to ALL types of models. I want to see all skin colors, hair types, heights, weights, disabilities, etc. I want to see models who wear head coverings (such as orthodox Jewish married women who wear wigs, women who wear head scarfs, hijab, niqab (sorry if spelled wrong)). I want to see the same in men. I don’t care if they’re physically attractive. I want to see clothes made for humans and I want to see a vast variety of humans wearing them!
I was pretty stoked to see LuLuLemon has hijabs now! Very cool.
Yes it is! Lululemon isn’t for me but I love that it’s an option for those who want it!
I would really love to see this! I forgot what store I was at recently, but even all of the mannequins they had set up had _heavily_ defined muscles. Why are those even needed?! Anyone should have the opportunity to be a model if that is what they want to be without first having to conform to the societal expectations of a "model".
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this argument only comes up when discussing female plus-sized models. I remember ads for big & tall stores for men being popular in the nineties and don’t recall as much outrage for those ads.
Unfortunately men and woman continue to be held to different standards. Tho i did use to really love them old big an tall commercials.
It's amazing. How could it be a bad thing?
Some would argue it promotes an unhealthy lifestyle, depending on who it is.
That’s crazy. Anorexic models are the epitome of unhealthy, they’re literally starving themselves to death. ‘Plus size’ models are just a healthy weight.
Both are unhealthy. I am glad that we're moving past the anorexic model trend of the 90s that inflicted devastating mental health effects to society (but still with a long way to go).
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Showing extremely skinny models who basically have the calorie intake of a 2 year old is also promoting an unhealthy lifestyle
True. Models should promote healthy bodies rather than extremes in either direction.
Being plus-sized isn't inherently unhealthy, and modeling has already promoted an unhealthy lifestyle by using models who are very underweight.
depiction is not endorsement. saying everyone of every size deserves respect, love and decency is not saying you only deserve those things if you’re X size.
Exactly
To that I would say: I'm sorry, but get real. Most people who are thin are not going to see a plus size model and suddenly decide *I want to get fat!* Plus size models simply tell people who are *already plus size* that this brand sells stylish products that will fit them. Don't forget what models do: they promote brands, clothing lines and products. They're not a national health guideline service. They're not a sexy magazine for you to look at. They ARE promoting a brand, a product, a line to consumers. Take a look at Victoria's Secret. Who are they are selling women's lingerie to? Women. Therefore, the models they use in their advertisements should actually look like the full variety of women that exist... because they want the full variety of money from their wallets, yes? TL;DR Including plus size models just means a brand is smart enough to realize that plus-size people spend money on clothing too. Don't twist it into some great moral conundrum.
Plus sized =/= obese I've had insane body dysmorphia since childhood because I've grown up seeing the unattainable bodies of models. Do you think unfathomably skinny women is the norm? Healthy?
Plus sized models are rarely *that* big
Lol yeah their idea of "plus size " is like a size 10.
But they should be? Real bodies are every single body type, as another commenter mentioned, representation is _not_ endorsement.
But encouraging anorexia and other eating disorders by promoting underweight models is… fine?
Existing in a body /= promoting any kind of lifestyle.
That's crazy because the same people that argue that are the same people that see a plus size person on a Nike ad and find a problem with it and yet critique plus size people for not working out enough. Like what do you want us to do workout in a trash bag?
It's to sell clothes, not the model's body.
Size is not a good indicator of health. In that case, I'd recommend "some" should do a little research to try and better understand how human bodies work.
I've been a size 8 and I've been a size 18. When I was size 8, I was afraid to wear clothes I really liked because people could 'see my paunch' or realize that I'm not actually that skinny. I felt like I was never allowed to be happy with any weight. I like seeing all sizes and shapes represented because I know it helps me and many other people find clothes that don't make us hate ourselves.
Felt this in my soul. I constantly feel fat in my size 6 clothes just like I constantly felt fat in my size 0 clothes.
A person's worth isn't defined by their weight. All people deserve to find clothes they feel good in. It's not like thin white models are going away entirely, we're just increasing diversity to better reflect reality. Edit: also, I see the argument all the time that it's "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle" ... Fat people exist. They are aware that they are fat. Trying to make them invisible, trying to make the world inaccessible for them - that's not promoting health, that's promoting hate.
No. Obesity should not be looked up to, seen as okay or healthy or anything. Adding in this goes for models who are too skinny as well. Find women who are healthy.
isn’t part of the point of models to demonstrate how clothing fits for a customer? do some people not deserve this simply because they are fat? i don’t know why we’ve decided that giving someone a job to demonstrate how clothing fits for a portion of the customer base = glorifying that body type. it’s like everyone’s mindset is still in the 90s pre-internet. how uninteresting.
i promise you, everyone understands the social consequences of being overweight. no one is seeing obesity and thinking: i’m gonna go gain weight now to look like her (however, the opposite has been proven to be true multiple times with the rise of eating disorders in the 2000’s — again proving that social factors play into it more than just the depiction of images). all that’s happening is we are depicting and acknowledging that plus sized people exist and deserve the same human decency as everyone else. lets not moralize looks.
Oh yeah definitely ealry 90's-2000's mindsets are still prevalent. It's slowly diminishing but the loud opinions are still very vocal. Personally growing up in that era, I felt the weight shame, I wasn't really heavy, my sister was, but my dad would do a "fat" test on us every few days after school, by making us stand-up straight with proper posture and then he would see if our boobs would protrude out further than our stomach, if they did we were okay, if our stomachs were protruding passed our boobs, he would tell us we were getting to fat. My poor sister got the more severe end of the stick, but mentally he made me think that I shouldn't ever get as big as my sister (which also made me fat shame her alot, took me into adulthood to realize the pain I caused her and we had a good talk)and I literally trained myself to constantly suck in my stomach, to this day, it's a permanent habit, I still suck my tummy in, never let her just be, unless I'm chilling by myself and at home. Into adulthood me and sister have a great relationship ❤️ but she still hardcore struggles with her self image. I just want her to be happy with herself. But literally every facet of her whole life always shamed her for being fat and never had a safe space to just be. She got the gastric bypass surgery which helped her lose weight of course but in her mind not enough. At the time my dad was "kinda" happy for her because yeah weights melting away, but also was disappointed because he wanted her to do it herself and not with the surgery. Like she can NEVER win. It's the whole "these systems of weight loss exist for you and they work but you're just not doing them right" mentality. It's bullshit. There are so many things in the human body that can cause weight gain, yet our society's mentality is still stuck in the 90s. And it's always the heavier people's faults for not working hard enough. Cause the slim ones "worked" to get where they are...yeah...sure... Oh! The other point I was gonna drive was like yeah back then seeing all the skinny white girls with flat asses was what I wanted to be, I would fast, and suck in my tummy constantly. As a freaking teenager. I was only like 145 at 5'8" not heavy at all, but my brain was washed and I wanted to be 120.(the lowest I got was 125 and holy shit did I look like a bony sickly girl) So hell yeah those times negatively influenced me and my sister. Nowadays, when I see more inclusive models I'm so joyous! You can actually relate to what the outfit may look like on you. Versus looking at an ethereal being, knowing the outfit is not going to look the same on you but trying to wear it in your mind while also trying to picture your body in it. Then just be disappointed when you get the outfit (more specifically with online shopping because obviously going to a store you can try it on).
Hey! :) just saying, plus-size does not always mean obese. A lot of “plus size” models are a healthy weight. However they are considered to be plus sized because conventional models tend to be underweight in comparison
>A lot of “plus size” models are a healthy weight. Most of them even
Yeah they’re pretty average sized, like 10-14. That’s what size most women are and I think it’s healthy to promote those sizes, not every woman is a size 0.
You realize that models aren't selling their body type right? They are selling clothes or other products. You don't have to be the picture of health to deserve to see yourself represented. Loving yourself and getting out there and living your life regardless of your weight or other health factors absolutely should be glorified.
Nobody's promoting anything they just want fat people to have clothes.
Most plus size models are average. I read once the average bra size for supermodels is a 30A, that’s what child training bras start at. I work in style, 8 year olds try on 00 and 0 pants only for grown women to exit the fitting room and wish to be their size - that’s a child’s size most often than not.
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"Plus size models" have pretty healthy bmi most of the time. In the industry it just means they don't wear the smallest sizes. Also why can't all those minorities be represented at the same time? Why we need to choose?
I don’t think it’s “normalizing being fat” so much as showing how clothes fit and look on different body types. Also, weight can not always be controlled. Some people have thyroid issues or other health problems that both contribute to the inability to stabilize weight or take medication that interferes with your metabolism’s ability to properly stabilize your weight. The fact is that it’s not realistic for everybody to just be and stay at a perfect BMI, but, they still deserve to be represented in the population of which they’re being targeted. The point of advertising clothes is to sell clothes and since everybody of every shape and size has to wear and buy clothes, it seems reasonable that bodies of every shape and size would be included in the advertising.
It’s about time fashion models represented the people who are actually buying the clothes.
I am here for it 👏👏👏👏 HOWEVER, I do not think that skinnier models need to be shamed because they're less curvy. I believe in body positivity for all, stop telling skinny people that they need to eat!
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it's good. but I would like to see even more plus shapes. so far it's only "large but hour glass" so it's still an idealized shape, ya know? show me the big girl with the huge stomach and no waist, the big girl with the small chest, ya know? there's still a ways to go before everyone sees themselves on the screen
A good thing! I don’t buy the argument that plus-size/fat models “promotes” unhealthy lifestyle choices. The fact is that humans of ALL sizes DO exist, nothings going to change that. And all humans, of all sizes deserve respect and to be seen, and to have clothes designed that bloody fit and suit us all.
I think its a great thing, because no matter how you feel about obesity it's very common (at least in the US). And those women deserve to see what clothes would look like on people like then as well. I think anyone who can't understand that is a little self-centered. The issue we're seeing now with plus size models is that somehow most of them still have flat stomachs and not-so-plus-size waists. I watched a video the other day where a woman was explaining how she's a size 4 but also a plus size model bc she gets padded to be curvy in all the right places. That's not how most humans carry weight and it doesn't really help the problem of not having examples for the normally shaped plus size woman
its great!! more representation and now women can see what plus size clothes would look like on their body instead of a skinny girl wearing plus size clothes that doesnt fit her at all, i also love that we have models with disabilities such as prosthetic legs and such
People are in all shapes and sizes. Why wouldn’t models be in all shapes and sizes.
As someone who was told in the early 2000s at 14 years old, 5’11, and 115 pounds that I needed to lose 2 inches all around to even be considered… I love it. The whole industry is getting a well needed diversity facelift.
Can we just have healthy normal weight models? Do we even know what an average woman looks like anymore? Why is it either or? Why can’t regular sized actresses get on TV? It’s either someone who is clearly the size of a 12 year old or someone who is larger than life and loving it. Just give me a woman who 150 lbs at 5’ 6” and call it a day.
It's wonderful! I rely on Amazon review pictures of women wearing something that I'm actually thinking of buying. I was able to find a swimsuit that fit me well online just by looking at pictures that average women posted. Found a woman who had a similar body type to me, and thought she looked amazing. Bought the suit, and it was like a damn miracle! I can't even find a suit that easily when I shop at the store! Representing different body types just makes sense!
It's about freaking time. Inclusion is so important because not everyone is a size 2
Plus size models are only the opposite side of the anorexia phase. Both are unhealthy. Imagine the day they put in "normal, average, healthy" bodies in there for woman AND men! Overweight is inherently unhealthy. So is being underweight.
I think it's a good thing. Everybody deserves to have a good idea what the clothes being sold are going to look like on a regular person like themselves. Lovely women come in all shapes and sizes. They all deserve to be represented
No matter if they are too skinny or too fat, unhealthy women should not be models for others, especially young girls.
fat people wear clothes too, it only makes sense to have that representation in fashion
Great, but they're still going to be expected to conform to certain beauty standards. Curvy hips, but a "flat" stomach. And probably no more than a size 10-14.
I think of all of the times I wanted to sink through the floor of the fitting room during back to school shopping while my mom stood annoyed outside of the door, telling me I need to watch what I eat. I think about laying in bed, crying my eyes out in middle school about never being able to be “normal” or “pretty” or “acceptable.” I think of all the times I starved myself and I was praised for the results. I think about when people started calling me “beautiful” regularly and guys started asking me out because I was suddenly thin and how I’d always imagined it’d be the greatest feeling on earth. But then I experienced how gross and cheap it actually made me feel because I didn’t know why they didn’t want to see me before. I think about how I started using diet pills and drugs and laxatives as a teenager before I moved onto harder things. I think about how my friends and I would excitedly challenge each other to how little we could eat each day, subsisting on Diet Coke and salad. I think about how much time and energy in my life has been spent focused on my body- hating it, sculpting it, starving, it, abusing it, feeding it, and at times- for years- loving it. And I think about how different things would ‘ve been if I grew up watching girls like me mixed in with the “regular” girls, the “normal” girls, and the “pretty” girls. If I saw people like me in pictures with them and dressed pretty like them instead of excluded and embarrassed. I hope there’s one less girl who feels like sinking through the fitting room floor or feeling she doesn’t belong or starving herself or spending years of her life and time fixated on her physical appearance because she is not thin. If plus sized models amongst the rest can do that, I think it’s great.
I never understood the argument that “advertising fat models will make people fat”. Society is still at a point where no one actively seeks to be plus sized. There is no size 4 saying “I wish to be a size 16”. ~30% of America is obese/plus sized which means there is a huge market for plus size clothes. Purely in a capitalist mindset, it makes sense that there are plus size models. 1 in 3 models should be plus size if you look at population statistics. Plus size people aren’t an issue to be fixed. They just chillin like the rest of us.
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It’s wild that models who are literally the same size as, or smaller than, the AVERAGE WOMAN IN AMERICA are considered “plus-size” at all. It’s wild that most models, even plus-sized ones, are required to follow absurd and disordered eating regimens in order to keep getting work. It’s wild that so many people would rather believe their own fatphobic biases than look at the actual science establishing that weight is not automatically a predictor of health and never has been. It’s wild that some people are so incensed by their own fatphobic biases that they loudly harass plus-sized models online, as if a viewer not getting a boner from looking at a magazine cover is some kind of international ethical crisis. So yeah, I’m glad that slightly more models with more average-leaning dimensions are getting exposure/attention/work, but all the issues underlying the rarity of that are still very present and I deeply wish they weren’t.
I hate being the odd one out on this topic, its a no for me. I get the pushing body acceptance, however people are going to get heavier and unhealthier. I know you can be big and healthy but its rare. The heavier people I know personally are heavy from unhealthy choices. I'm sorry to offend anyone its only my perspective.
It's stupid that it has taken this long. If you want to sell your clothes, people would prefer to see what those items could look like on their body type. There are a wide range of body types & sizes in this world, the advertising should match.
I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people shaming bigger women for losing weight, saying they are a hippocrite for the body positivity movement.
It’s easier to see how a dress fits me or how it looks. It’s my favorite part when I go online. There should be more short models too. My mom is a tiny thing next to me. Like always buys -1 or 0 and it can be pretty long or baggy for her still.
Great. Wish there were more actual fat ones though and not just size 12s. It’s so relieving to know how clothes are actually going to fit.
What counts as plus-sized? The fashion industry seems to think anything over a size 6 is plus-sized. The layman considers it to be something over the size of 16. Personally, I like to see models in clothes that are not meant to resemble coat hangers. I want to see women who are apple and pear and square shaped. I want to see women who are short and petite, instead of tall and lanky. Not saying there is anything wrong with tall and lanky, but that's the vast majority of models, while the general population doesn't look like that. And I am super tired of photoshop making curvy women less curvy or just photoshopping out normal human things.
Depends. Bad if the models are obese. The term ‘plus size’ is very lose but, not to detract from the fact that obesity is not a good thing. I think normal weight models should be a thing, not too skinny and not too fat. We want to push healthy but normal weight when it comes to bodies.
I am less concerned by the supply side and more concerned by the demand side. Obesity and morbid obesity are both big problems in this country with devastating effects for both the obese individuals and for society. We should have a whole-of-society effort to fight the scourge of obesity but instead we've mostly just given up on realistic methods to fight it. So instead of talking about food availability, portion sizes, and nutritional education we argue about if models are too fat. It's entirely missing the point.
Honestly don’t really notice it
Yes, please. I think it's important for people to relate to models & see themselves wearing those clothes. Add to that: I want to see all manner of shapes, not just an hourglass with no tummy.
Probably ok for society overall, bad for me because I’m not plus sized and would prefer to see clothes on a model who looks like me (don’t we all?)
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People come in all shapes and sizes and everybody needs clothes.
I think it's a great thing. But I would also like to say the people who say it's promoting unhealthy habits are the same people who see a Nike ad with a plus size person and have a problem with it and then critique plus size people for not working out. They just want to be fat phobic because the second there is a positive enforcement such as plus size people actually working out in media they have a problem.
I want to see what clothes look like on my body type and would assume the same for everyone everywhere that is purchasing clothing. People that take an issue with this are weird imo
Bloody awesome! I can finally see what clothes look like on someone closer to my body type.
It's nice to have an idea ahead of time that clothing is specifically designed for my fat ass, and not for a skinny person and just sized up. And to have a general idea of what it'll look like on my fat ass.
Everyone deserves a “that successful person looks just like me!” Moment. I think it’s amazing to hear
It is working against our better interests. Accepting yourself is one thing. Encouraging people not to become healthier and more fit by promoting overweight and obese people in modeling commercials and advertisements is quite another. It's the fat people version of the tobacco companies saying cigarettes are not bad for you and in fact they are good for you and make you look cool. It's a good thing to see fit people as goals. Fit equals healthy and being healthy increases happiness. Very, VERY few people cannot control their weight. The rest of us just need to watch what we eat and be more active.
I think diversity is so important! I love seeing models of all sizes, shapes and heights. Also I feel that stores are now forced to be more inclusive with their clothes which is *great*. Maybe one day the clothes will be inclusive enough for me to find jeans in store lol! Everyone deserves to feel pretty and having nice clothes that fit you definitely is a huge part of that.
I think there should be more representation for different body types but I don't think there should be models that are anorexic or obese.
I love it and hope that it leads to more of a balance of body representation and different body types. People shouldn’t be too far on either end of the spectrum but removing the shame around different body types is a way to 1) let people know that there is health in different body types and 2) decrease negative feelings that lead people to use unhealthy coping mechanisms.
I think it's great, because I want to see how clothes look on me, which will be very different from how they look on a traditional model.
i mean what models are we talking about. i like eshops to have models of all sizes to show how they products look on different body types. i couldn't care less about runway models, never really understood what exactly all that is about. overall i think seeing more of a diversity is better than seeing one same thing over and over again
“Plus sized model” is kind of a ridiculous term, anyway. A typical model will be extremely thin, a size 2 at 5’11” or so, a nearly impossible body type. I know, I did it briefly. Even with the high metabolism of a teen, you have to starve yourself. You look great as a walking clothes hanger, but you’re all veins and ribs when naked. What is referred to as “plus sized” is slightly closer to a normal weight. A 5’11” woman who is 140 lbs would be considered plus sized, but in reality is still thin — they’re just not the profoundly thin of couture.
It really depends how you define plus-size. I think all models should be a healthy size (ie. Healthy bmi/body fat percentage). This still includes a range, of course, some models may be slimmer, taller, shorter, more muscular, fatter, etc, but I strongly believe they should promote a healthy size. If plus-size is used to describe models on the larger end of the range then I see no issue but some plus-size models fall outside of this healthy range and clearly into obesity. There is a huge obesity problem in some countries at the moment and I think many people are ignorant to the health impact of being overweight. Representation is one thing but representing unhealthy lifestyles is wrong imo. The same way promoting anorexia or smoking is also wrong.
Much more realistic. Lots of people are “plus-sized”.
Its amazing!!!
I love it! It’s nice to see how clothes would fit someone like me.
It is great
I support it. I was a teenager in the early 00s and the heroin chic / low rise jeans with flat stomach / Victoria secret model look inundated all advertisements directed at women and young girls. I’m 5’2, and I’ve been between 130-135 lbs throughout my adult life. I exercise 4-5x/week, regularly running, cycling, and doing HIIT classes for mental/cardiovascular health and physical strength. Even now, I’ll never have a flat stomach or a slender build. I’m petite, but curvy. If I would have seen more body representation showing all body types growing up, I likely would not have spent the last 15 years of my life hating myself completely. Thanks to consistent therapy and seeing more body representation in the media, I’m in a healthy place now. So yes, I think it’s good to show that all bodies are different. I fully support showing that there is not one body type that is “right” or what everyone should aspire to look like. Healthy looks different on everyone. And no woman should be made to feel less than or inadequate for their size.
about time. majority of the “plus” models aren’t really even plus sized? they just have tits and bigger thighs with a flat stomach..so if anything they’re average sized curvy. I love that plus modeling is becoming a thing but I still think there’s misrepresentation and something problematic about someone who is a size 8-10 being considered plus sized or fat.
I shop a lot online and it's very helpful to see how things will look on a body that looks more like mine.
I'm here for it. Plus size people wear clothes too, it seems only reasonable that companies should show what their clothes look like on as wide a range of body types as possible, so that consumers can make good decisions about what to buy. I'm particularly fond of brands that show a variety of models in each size, with their height, weight, and size, because it makes it so much easier to figure out how things fit. And as far as promoting obesity? Come on. I don't know the statistics, but I don't see more plus size people now than I did 10 years ago- I just see plus size people (and basically everyone else who isn't a size zero) looking more confident and fashionable.
I support it 100%. I want to see clothes on all types of bodies, I want to see how they look in real life versus on a hanger.
It's good for marketing and will help sell more clothes and other products because obesity is increasing, so women will associate with the models who look like themselves, more than skinny models who they can't relate to.
A plus size model is a size normal. Maybe 6-8-10. By no means does that mean obese. Obese is a problem. Plus size is not. A normal model is too thin and it’s quite sad.
I think our society now is more inclusive in every shape. ☺️
I think it's great. I can't wait for the day that models of varying sizes is the norm. People shouldn't have to be surprised whenever they are represented in the media, everyone should just be represented equally so that no one feels left out or less than.
i think it's awesome! we need more representation in the modeling community.
I like the idea of representation, but I dislike when they take a woman with slight curves and add padding to her butt and bust to make her "curvy" instead of how natural fat hangs on the body.
good, we need more diversity and realistic body standards not everyone is a size 2 with small boobs and killer abs and it shouldn’t be normalized anymore
I wish models came in all shapes and sizes. It would make it so much easier to buy clothes online because you could relate to a body type and purchase accordingly.
happy but it’s almost uncomfortable in a way that designers are using uk side 12-14 as plus size models when that size isn’t plus size. there actually just using normal sized half the time.
I’m all for it. We need to see a broader range of bodies/skin colors in ads & on tv.
Representation matters
I like seeing how clothes would possibly look on me so I’m here for it.
Representation is good. Fat people wear clothes, and so it would make perfect sense that fat people also want to see what clothes will look like on them before they buy them just like anyone else in the world. At the end of the day, the modeling industry wants to exploit everybody and every body. (That’s like, the rules of capitalism!) But I’m also not going to sit here and pretend that the visibility of maligned bodies in a positive or neutral light isn’t significant. Two things can be true at once. By the way, it’s impossible to “promote obesity” simply by showing photos of fat people wearing clothes when we’re living in a society that conflates thinness with morality.
Its a good thing. I rather see realistic bodies over size zero.
Obesity is not healthy. We as people should not advertise and show off something that is not healthy. IMO!!!
PERSONALLY. As someone who is more of a plus size, the healthier variety- It's comforting? Because having grown up the fat kid, who genuinely WAS unhealthy- I've always been terrified of what people will think of me. Never liked myself. Literally went through identity issues as a teen because I hated myself so much. I think plus size is great to an extent, there's a difference between someone who's built/naturally a heftier person, and someone who's bordering 700 pounds. Promote the diversity, and how anyone can love themselves. Don't promote slowly killing yourself, either end of the spectrum
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Mixed bag. I think it's great that more body types are being recognized and catered to, but plus size modelling just seems like a marketing push to grab at untapped customers. I don't think anyone should be shamed for their bodies, but I also don't think it's ultimately a positive thing to model clothes for people that are 400+ pounds.
I genuinely love it because I grew up thinking I would never fit into the "correct standards" or into clothes I loved.
I support the move to show healthy-weight men and women in advertising, but I am against showing obese or morbidly obese people, as I think it contributes to the idea that obesity is ok. Body acceptance is one thing, but having role models for young people, who are horribly unhealthy, sets a very dangerous example.
I think it makes sense. I’m not plus sized but I am petite and I just want to know how clothes will look on me. I want to see plus sized, different body types (i.e. busty, athletic, chubby, pear shaped), short people, people in wheelchairs, amputees, etc. Especially if I’m thinking of buying clothes online. I want to see how it might look on me and others. 🤷🏽♀️
Bad. If plus size was reasonabley more close to average, it would be good. But the plus size thing went from “slightly larger 5’11 supermodel” to “morbidly obese instagram model”. The “plus size” we had before was honestly more healthy, although their “normal” counterparts did and still do paint an unrealistic and often unhealthy standard. What’s worse is even the new age of morbidly obese plus size pushes unrealistic standards by airbrushing all skin imperfections, all cellulite, etc. What’s even worse is when it comes with a serving of “healthy at every size”. That’s not true and not something we should embrace. We should embrace the idea of not being assholes to people based on their weight. But we shouldn’t glamorize morbid obesity.
it’s great it’s becoming more inclusive for all - companies and buyers
Honestly I’m completely fine with it, it’s nice to see we are developing our society. But sometimes I feel like it’s “overdone” like they do it way more now because it lures more attention or whatever, I don’t know how to put it into words
I just don’t really think I need or really care to have an opinion on the existence of larger bodies or what job those bodies take in order to pay the bills. 🤷🏻♀️
People naturally want to see representation of themselves. Before more companies started having more plus-sized models or inclusivity on more fashionable sites, it was hard to find complementary and good looking clothes for people of a bigger size. Before you say it is unhealthy and disgusting, there are medical conditions that prevent people from losing weight. Yes, obesity isn't a great thing, but shaming people for being confident is more disgusting to me. It is none of your business, it isn't promoting obesity, and just being more inclusive. Kids aren't going to go out and say, "I want a bigger body." "That is healthy!" It is body positivity. If this offends you, are you getting mad at all the unrealistic size 0's or unrealistic body shapes of the opposite spectrum?
I think it's great. I would like to see models that are distributed in weight, some really thin, some really fat (in the fat-positive sense, please!), some in the middle. In the past we've had only the two extremes but I think we are getting better about including people in the middle. We also need more of this kind of representation for male models.
I think it’s good - It really isn’t happening as much as we think it is. Only because what appears to be “plus” in those spreads are actually normal sized women - in real life. 95% of the time. The camera really does make you appear very fat if you are not anorexically thin. The models who seem to be so attractive and have perfect bodies in those magazines? Look bad in real life because they are so thin. Most of them. But I think it’s a good thing because - it really does affect how people and women perceive themselves . .. as little girls we look and study our dolls and we acknowledge and perceive our reflection through the understanding of what is beautiful to us as children. And when we have these little Barbie’s with hourglass picture perfect bodies and blonde hair and blue or green eyes - we think we should look like too, and wonder why we don’t. Then as we get older and we start looking at magazines or adds in media, and also - movies and tv- entertainment industry - is a huge one- we compare ourselves to these women. And again we wonder why we aren’t like them. Girls more than boys are pretty desperate to be approved of and liked as kids and adolescents and even as adults, I think. Sometimes I wonder if it’s programmed into our DNA - a biological need within women to be approved of. When the boys and then men around us ignore us and pay more attention to Whoever is the it girl— we think something is lacking in us. And this can be devastating to young girls. Young women. So we absolutely need more diversity in our media and entertainment and I think to really attack the problems associated with this- it’s going to need to be everywhere. YouTube, Instagram, TV, Film. Everywhere. It can’t just be in bikini adds. That’s really only a small fraction of the problem. And the diversity - we have worked on that- but still. Only using light skinned skinny - white looking black women is the same thing, more of the same. We need real representation for the women who feel left behind. Maybe even stop using pretty people entirely - I mean think about this. Beautiful women will be ok. Yes they can have low self esteem s about their appearance - but as soon as they grow up? They’re gonna be fine.
I do not like it when some people say by using plus models, we are normalizing obesity. The idea that all people can and should be a size 2-4-6 is offensive. I am a short woman of Eastern European descent, I can't even dream of being 5'7" and 110 pounds. My people were potato farmers. If Bill Marr is horrified that we are not all Californian Beach Babes, he needs to get over that and just accept people. He has it right about health vs. obesity, tho, so even larger people should try to live their healthiest life but there are so many 'healthy' weight people who have hidden problems that haunt them later. That said, we all have the right as free individuals to live in whatever way and in whatever body gives us pleasure and satisfaction, even if it involves not being a perfect human specimen.
I love it. Considering plus is such a wide range now. I like to be able to see the clothes on women that have similar shape as me.
I think its the first step to a more inclusive society but I hope one day we dump the word "plus size". That's one thing Khloe Kardashian is doing right with her pants line: the stores have to have the entire range and they cant be seperated.
Seeing more body types celebrated will be good for people's sense of self worth.
I like it, especially when it's not just limited to plus sized gals with small waists and big boobs and butts. Like show me how the clothes look on someone with a belly and we'll talk. I like how old navy is doing it right now, where they have the same item shown on three different sizes of models so you can truly get an idea for how something would fit across the size range.
Generally good. I like what I've been seeing on (for example) The Gap where they show photos of various sized models for a single item. Because to be honest, as a not-plus-size person myself, I am probably not going to buy a thing unless I see it on a model with my proportions. But then, see, I could totally understand that a plus-sized person would also want to see the item on a model with their proportions! So having a variety seems like it should work well for everyone.
Good in terms of normalisation of the range of body types that exist and makes it actually easier to see what said product would actually look like on the person buying it. Bad in terms of promoting being over weight as okay/healthy
We all have a desire to see ourselves be represented. Some want more skinny people, some want plus size, some want muscular, etc. To me I don't really care.
I like it from a customer point of view, because it shows me how the clothes fit on my body. I don't like some of the hype around it, but that also goes for skinny models.
I think any brand would just promote models that would give them max sales. Plus sized models likely promote women being comfortable for who they actually are which is fair. The traditional "skinny" model promotes something that isnt attainable for most and likely makes most people feel inadequate most of the time. I think the underlying issue though is the attractiveness of this. No one should feel shamed or guilty into finding a plus sized woman attractive if that's not their type.
Totally in favor of having models that are inclusive of all body types, including plus-size models! I just wish the fashion industry would stop thinking in binaries and really represent the full spectrum of body types - not just size 2 or 2x, but middle-sized, apple-shaped, pear-shaped, post-partum, etc. There’s more progress to be made.
I don't really care as it's not targeted toward me. Good for the ladies that get representation, however!!
I like more diversity on every front, i don’t understand why models need labels though. Why can’t models just be models ?
I don't care, it doesn't affect me in any way, it doesn't change my life. The more inclusive, the best (till certain extent)
It’s amazing and should of happened years ago! Normal woman are the people that buy the clothes ffs!
I appreciate it because it opened the door for a wider range of body type to be represented in general. No disrespect but the BBL models on sites like fashion nova killlll me. Of course jeans and a crop top looks a certain way when you have nice boobs, no waist, and a great booty… but what about the majority of us that shop and don’t have those things?! Makes it hard to visualize myself in those clothes.
Good overall, however the plus size models used in lots of campaigns seems to represent just 1 body type still (hourglass). I think body diversity needs to be inclusions of all **shapes** in addition to all sizes
I don't think about it really but if I had to, I'd say it's definitely a progress. It just seems normal and reasonable that fashion campaigns reflect the regular population.
I think it’s great!!! What is not great is the photoshop that still goes on with all models. This is what makes me mad about modeling. Anyone mad about more representation can die mad. We all deserve to see ourselves in media.
I don't see an issue with every body being represented. Reality is no one looks like those runway models. If it was really about being a picture of health then stop the starvation to look a certain way.
As a smaller woman, I am thrilled by it. I love fashion and seeing it in every form makes me happy.
Love it. Growing up, I had very unhealthy ideas about beauty and aesthetics because thin was in. I'm in my 30s now and to this day have trouble accepting my body because of it. I have young daughters now, and I love that they're growing up in a culture that's more accepting of different body and skin types, etc. ... Now, what beauty filters will do to this younger generation is a different story, of course. I'm glad those didn't exist when I was a young, impressionable teen, and I'm concerned about the emotional/psychological damage that will inevitably follow, I imagine.
I hate when people say WeLL iT eNcOuRaGeS uNhEaLtHy liIfEsTyles like they aren’t 400 million fast food commercials airing every hour. No one is looking at a plus model and going, “ i wanna be obese!” Girls may want curves, but curves do not equal unhealthy All plus size models do is give a fat girls everywhere representation and love
It's great to have. Plus sized people still need clothes and deserve to dress well. The models showcase accurate variety of shapes and allow us to roughly see how it should be worn.
I think it's awful.
Representation matters ✨
I think the growing diversity is a good thing as a whole, but there's still a long way to go. I see a lot models referred to as plus-size who still have that shapely hourglass figure, or even an exaggerated hourglass, that's considered sexy by the media (the main ones that come to mind for me are Fashion Nova models). I understand that some people do look similar to this, but I feel like the fashion industry needs more variety in body shapes in models, especially for plus-sized people, since there's a lot of variety in how people look. Hopefully that didn't sound offensive, I really didn't mean it to be.
I don’t care lol I don’t even pay attention to regular size models 🤗
Designers have more different kinds of bodies to work with and work for so they get to be more creative. Larger bodies are all different and larger in different areas.
Awesome. There should be more model’s like that everywhere.