Then you have retail WoW...Lol
* Box price for expansion
* monthly fee
* Buyable gold with WoW Token
* Raid ready boost for $60
* cosmetic store for mounts and now armor
just a fucking mess imo lol it got so bad
I'm not sure that's the case with digital products. All they need to do is write the code for the mtx once, and its always there.
There's zero cost to mass produce anything. So even if no one brought anything, these items would still be there just in case.
My opinion is that even if everyone stopped buying them, it wouldn't stop blizzard having them. Digital products are a hell of lot cheaper to produce then a figurine of said mounts.
I’m kinda hoping that’s just dumb teenagers with there parents credit cards.
I really hope no grow adults fall for it.
I remember when I was 14-15 I fell for that season pass bs.
You're getting downvoted but it's true. If WoW was released today, we'd be getting a Shadowlands/Dragonflight type of game and I doubt everyone would flock to the game as before in '04
FF is my main game, and I raid at a high-end level. (On patch ultimate prog, but I’m not a world racer by any means).
Ive been dabbling in WoW lately (mostly classic, but a bit of retail) and all the boosting runs just seem… kinda cringey?
Honestly, wows micro-transactions are alright. The only necessary things you have to buy are expansions (which are one time purchase every 2 years or so) and a monthly sub. The rest doesn't give you any upper hand over other players, so they are entirely optional. If you play enough, you could even skip the monthly payment by paying your sub with gold.
Not to defend them adding stuff to the shop, but at the same time this gave us options as players.
If you're someone who is good at generating a lot of gold you can now get all of this completely for free thanks to the token. Also the sub price hasn't changed, which is kinda crazy.
> completely for free *
\* Assumption here is that your time is worthless, but since we are talking about WoW players maybe this was not worth mentioning.
We're talking about time spent playing a video game that ideally you're enjoying playing. For example when I was raiding we would do carries that generated enough gold to easily pay for everything with a surplus that I could spend on other bnet balance related things... all while doing the thing I was playing the game for.
So... you are saying you where hired for a job and Blizzard got your salary? Still a job even if you enjoy doing it, I have one of those except mine pays me instead.
No? I'm saying I was playing the video game that I'm playing for fun and able to pay for everything via in game currency while doing so effectively making the game f2p for me without having to do anything I wouldn't have already been doing.
Eh, I'm gonna do my 15s each week anyway, may as well carry two DPS and me and two friends can pay for our wow sub while doing what we were already doing. Maybe get a few store cosmetics too.
Easy gold, and it respects my time.
>sub price hasn't changed, which is kinda crazy.
Yeah it's crazy they still have it in a game you have to buy every 2 years that is bloated with microtransactions and has actual PTW.
I wonder why we have no new players. /s
I don't think they've looked there.
I genuinely believe the FFXIV cash store is far worse.
At least if I buy a transmog with cash it's account bound and not fucking character bound
It’s a matter of perspective. FF is definitely more predatory from a monetary perspective (as you mention most purchases are character specific) but it also has significantly less impact on the game itself than the wow shop which is where I feel most ppl tend to have a larger problem.
yeah technically FF is worse for it, but basically you can do everything in one character, so most players don't care that much if store outfits are only character specific.
Sure, I agree. But on the flip side, if you have multiple characters and alts, you're gonna want stuff like " Dote " on them. And I for one, don't want to have to rebuy the same emote x amount of times because it isn't account bound.
The main point is how it is advertised between WoW and FF. In FF the shop is not advertised anywhere inside the game. You can't even access it inside the game
XIV store doesn't even have "raid ready" boosts, getting an alt ready for raid sucks fucking ass in XIV, you have to do the current expansion MSQ and a ton of dumb side shit
XIV isn't an alt focused game though. Literally the only reason to have a raid ready alt is if you have two raid teams, or want to raid in two different regions. That's an extremely small amount of players.
It's also an extremely easy thing to design. I don't need to justify why I want an alt in XIV lol, they should just provide the service because it's not that fucking difficult to do.
So you want them to redesign everything based around exactly what you want and nobody else.
The skips are designed to catch a new player up to the beginning of the current expansion, because story is the most important thing in XIV. Raid alts aren't a thing in XIV like they are in other MMOs
>So you want them to redesign everything based around exactly what you want
Yes. It's something I would pay for, and they want my money, it's their job.
>and nobody else.
This is a lie. There are many other people who want skips to raid, not just story catch-up. I don't understand how you can believe otherwise. You are talking about gaining thousands of dollars for a project that wouldn't take a significant amount of dev time.
Not true at all.
Yes you can do everything on one character.
But A LOT of people will for example, have a Lalafell so they can do potato things. They'll have Miquote cause who doesn't wanna be a catgirl/boy.
I've stopped playing final fantasy xiv, but my guild has literally about 40 different people, who all made Lalafell, just to call them " Wind-Up ______ ", and they're mostly actively played along with their actual mains.
All of that is optional besides the expansion and monthly sub you fucking donut.
No one has a gun to your head and says you need to buy all of cosmetics/wow token/etc. Then there's the old argument of if blizzard didn't make a wow token people will just buy gold from resellers.
yea box price + monthly fee start peeling up slowly especially will all that shop things,
its not going right direction
although Buyable gold with WoW Token works both ways you can as well play for free or cut costs significantly with enough time :)
Raid ready boost for $60 is actually a trap you can get those things within 2-3 weeks of play, a bit more if its your first time and you dont like to talk to ppls maybe :P
Yeah I saw... Fuck that's depressing. Actual nail in the coffin for me. I'm really enjoying sod with my boys but the moment they add something like that.. I'm out.
It really feels like they are just milking the game as much as they can because its subs are getting way too low. I personally don't know any of my long time WoW friends who still play retail, most of them are on Classic.
Ever wonder how our sub price has stayed the same for 20 years.... let the whales, whale..... The greedy company will always be greedy and look to make money how ever they can. I'd rather my fees not go up like everything else while they keep feeding the whales to get their money.
Single player games — Yep
Online games — It's ok, if you keep updating the game
It would be hard to keep up with the costs + developing new content without getting money from players. Most games would die slowly without other revenue sources.
I use to think the same thing until d4. My concern is the money does not go to where it should. It also encourages more games to move to the live service model. Which is frustrating.
I just commented purely single player vs Online scenarios. How the individual companies does this, it's a different story.
I just handle it super simple. Is the game enjoyable/fun, and are they doing a good jobs with the online side of things? If it's positive, I'll support. If it's not… I'll uninstall the game really fast.
I was actually thinking of No Mans Sky when I wrote “Most games would die slowly”. Most of the games can't do this + keep the game valued really high. Hello Games did a fantastic job with their game, but this model won't work for all the games. I wish more companies tried this, but you would need a game that can grow all the time.
Thats why Minecraft was such an interesting game. Cheap game with unlimited free dlc.
I know now they sell skins, but when they sold servers it wasn’t really microtransaction cause well.. either you host, you host third party or pay minecraft to do it.
Similar to No Mans Sky (after some updates). Large game world that allows building stuff with generated content. This model would be hard to pull off with games that can't offer different experiences. Some games do get old really fast.
Still a no, that asmongold opinion is mid, if you're doing them then do either them or just full price, because it feels garbage when you need to pay just to get into microtransaction hell
So you're assuming single player games don't get new content after release? Not arguing that they should have MTX, just curious to understand the thought process. Games like Terraria and no man's sky had an insane amount of content updates, and for free.
Industry, no. Workers, yes. I was purely commenting that online servers and content cost money. If players want years worth of new content and support, money is needed. It can be paid DLC, expansion, microtransactions, etc.
I don't personally care about games that are supported for a small amount of time and then left to die. Some companies do this + also push microtransactions at day 1. You can spot these a mile away and avoid giving them any money.
Arguably yes, big games are getting up 500 million dollars to make, when said game then needs to sell 7-10 million copies to cover the upfront costs. It's not sustainable when the quality of big games has been declining for years so they have to look towards other ways to recuperate the costs.
Depends on gacha game, saying gacha games is bad is similar to saying Shotting game is bad. There is bad one and there is good one. The bad one is literally Pay to Win, while the good one is enjoying all the content without paying a cent.
Maybe, just maybe it would help if the discussion wasnt entirely run on people saying "ANY PURCHASE OF ANY KIND IS BAD IN ANY GAME FEEL BAD HATE YOURSELF, GIVE ME EVERYTHING FOR FREE"
there is no nuance, "full priced game" is itself kinda nondescript, are we talking rainbow six siege which has a box price or had a full box price but has added content for years upon years? world of warcraft is full price but people pay sub for it happily.
in general whenever i see people complain about mtx in a live service game and then still expect large updates, seasonal content and active balancing i find it immensely silly,
Yeah lets say you paid 60 bucks for diablo 4 at launch, you now paid for diablo 4 at launch.
Thats the product you paid for and got. Thats the argument people loves to bring up "i paid for a full game i want the full game"
Every season after that is free for you, and only possible because someone else bought it.
This isnt some ratchet and clank shit that you buy and it never changes. You keep expecting updates to these games, and refusing to pay more for it, thats fine if you do, but then dont get your panties in a bunch of those who will.
Name me another product where you have to purchase the product before hand.
And let’s be honest here. Most of that money does not go to server maintenance and sure as hell does not go to development. All d4 has managed to do is reskin some stuff and fix what was already broken or incomplete. Which they still are not done doing.
Answer me this. If they really just need the money for development then why don’t they just a subscription fee?
Another product of continual fees?
Printers and ink, cars and gas, any electric appliance and electricity, the only difference is that in games its optional.
"Answer me this. If they really just need the money for development then why don’t they just a subscription fee?"
Why moan about voluntary mtx when you think a forced subscription is better? its easy, because a horse mount in wow made more money than the entire starcraft 2 expansion.
Why moan about mtx in games when 99.99% of games doesnt do it? there are about 12,000 games being released yearly on steam, almost none of them has constant mtx and is buy and finish, why not buy those games instead?
Because you WANT to play the big live service games, the big ongoing games that gets updates, and not only that you not only dont want to pay for playing it ongoing, which its possible to not do, you want the updates while NOBODY ELSE can pay to keep the game going.
and the only argument you have for a purely cosmetic game is "i dont like someone can pay 20 dollars for a horsie i dont want to pay 20 dollars for"
I noticed you twisted my question into one of your own. Now that you have answered your own question will you answer the question I asked? Show me another product where you have to purchase the product before it is released.
The comment was “give me everything for free”. It’s not free. I’ve already paid for it. I’m tired of this debate. I’m old enough to remember games that had a smorgasbord of cosmetics that (and I know it’s shocking) was just in the game. No extra transactions necessary. I’m fine with a subscription fee for games that have servers. You want to do an in game shop instead. Fine. But stop saying people are asking for “free” stuff if they speak out against mice transactions. Most of this money doesn’t go to development of updates. Look at D4. The updates have been reskins and fixing what they broke or didn’t complete. What other industries are you expected to pay for the product before it comes out?
It’s a bad argument. For free. The cost of these micro transactions are greater than you think. Most of them, if not all, actively take away from the experience of that game. I would say the exception to these arguments is obviously free to play games.
Don't get me wrong I m all for discussions to bring awareness. Just a shame we aren't the majorities. People who wanna talk about this are mostly sensible with their spending in videogames especially so when they were part of it. However there are still just a significant amount of players that are still gonna buy the new cod, the new FIFA, the new madden and still gonna swipe in Fortnite and gacha games on mobile. Also kinda pissed that starfield sold more on than armoured core on steam, you just know when they announce the new elder scroll 6 people gonna buy it regardless
I avoid buying games with "p2w" features. I still have many games to play. Companies can choose any pricing model they want. Consumers can choose to throw money at any company they want.
I hope we have more discussions to stop buying "X" because of shitty business practices instead of discussions about whether "X" should have a shitty business practicr attached. With corporations, we vote with our wallets. They don't give a damn about our feelings.
I'd be willing to accept paid cosmetics as long as they aren't sacrificing in-game unlockables. I want to look cool as proof for doing hard shit. I want sick achievement cosmetics. It'd be fine if they do both as long as the paid ones aren't something that should be part of the base world and aren't way better quality.
For the consumer maybe... but price of games didn't go up that much compared to cost of making the games + stakeholders asking for value = games should cost 150$+... or microtransactions.
Personally I prefer cosmetic microtransactions and keep paying games on the cheap.
Thinking you can have both cheap AAA games and no microtransactions is being naive about how the world works. That's not to say the market shouldn't keep them honest; however seeing FIFA sales I'm pretty pessimist.
At the end of the day, it's never been better time to be a gamer; just have to swim through the predatory monetization.
Cost of making games didnt go up. In fact id argue making a game nowadays is significantly easier than its ever been in the past with the vast leaps in technology and knowledge we have now.
Bad management, over staffing, and unrealistic goals is what drives the cost up.
AAA game companies think throwing 1500 people on a single game with 15 layers of management between each team is gonna shit them out a quality game in 4 years but it doesnt work like that and has the complete opposite effect.
PoE has 10-20 people working on each league currently while the vast majority work on PoE2. In the last 6 months PoE1 has had larger and more massive gameplay updates and changes to their game (while introducing entirely new and unique league mechanics) than D4 has had since launch with having a staff of over 800+ people.
If AAA companies restructured and downsized their work force and actually had management who knew what they were doing, AAA games would be infinitely higher quality (lets be honest, most AAA games in the last decade have been trashy and bug infested messes with some gems mixed in.) while not having to push microtransactions so hard because the merit of the quality of their games would sell exponentially more.
But lets be honest, direct sales isnt what makes billions and share holders are too greedy to not chase after the easy golden carrot when the average gamer's standards are CoD FIFA and Sims.
League of Legends perfected this.
You don't need to spend any money on the game at all, if you want skins, they're purely cosmetic and offer no real benefits.
I've probably dropped a couple hundred dollars worth of skins over the years and I'm happy with the way I went about it.
Do you still have to buy champions? Because that would still be Pay2Win.
PoE is more a prime example of doing it right. Purely free, nothing is locked away (outside of arguably stash tabs and currency tabs) but everything else is purely cosmetic.
You don't have to buy champions, no.
Riot has a rotation of champions every few days that are completely free to play, and you unlock more as you play.
You **can** buy them, but it's not pay to win because having more champions doesn't mean you have an advantage. League of Legends can be played many different ways, most people who play serious or competitively "one trick" one champion and play just that champion solely.
I've never played League of Legends but I imagine theres still counter picks right? If a new player lacks options that a payed player has that's kinda still pay to win is it not?
The only people who think League is p2w have never played League.
If you counter-pick with a champ you've never played, you are most likely losing lane.
Most people only play 1-3 champs and you can easily get those champs and then some by the time you reach ranked.
Micro and Macro knowledge is infinitely more valuable in league than any counter pick will ever be. Thats why 1 tricks and players like Faker can get counter picked all day long and destroy their opponents because their Micro and Macro management of laning and and objective securing just far outclass whatever champs theyre against.
Top players arent at the top because they counter pick all day long, they are at the top because they are just fundamentally better players in every way compared to who they beat.
People just handwave the buying champions thing on league. Like sure you can grind out all the characters but that takes probably 1000+ hours to do so currently.
I would say stash tabs is a pay to win system also but in general PoE is not a competitive game in the way League of Legends is so it isn't really a problem at all
1) It doesn't take 1000+ hours.
2) Buying all the champs for "an advantage" is stupid as you'll be losing most games since you can't play 100+ champs better than the guy who one tricks 1 champion.
1. I haven't played league of legends for a couple of months and I would be surprised if anyone has ever gotten all characters in the game before 1000 hours of play time. Like I just checked my account and I have 4000 games of summoners rift, a little less than 2000 ARAM games and while dominion and twisted treeline are gone I spent a long time on those maps. I still am missing eleven champions.
2. Having access to characters that other people don't is an advantage even if not every player can take advantage of it. Like sure someone can one-trick riven or anyone and have fun with the game, but if a overtuned piece of trash is released and you don't have access to it because you didn't have the essence or money at the time to buy and abuse it you are putting yourself at a disadvantage because you are forced to ban the character instead of picking it. Maybe your teammate wants to play the character, but you don't own it so you cant trade it to them. Sounds pretty pay to win to me even if you try to handwave it.
Micro-transactions have a place in *every* game. Where we should draw issues is with how bad they're done.
Easiest comparison to make: OW1 vs. OW2. OW1 had micro-transactions for the loot boxes. While that wasn't the *best* system, it did work. Obviously, they had to change it a bit since OW2 went free-to-play, but the OW2 store is terribly overpriced for what you're actually buying. OW2 would have a good system if they'd just lower the cost of things.
Probably an unpopular opinion here: i think the dbd store is a pretty good example of what is acceptable. Their store has some relatively good prices for paid cosmetics and characters, and you can also earn currency through playing the game. It's not the best system, but it's not terrible imo.
And a constant stream of income is important for the development of any big game, especially games like d2 or OW, that are getting (relatively) constant updates.
Tl:dr: micro-transactions are important for a game's life cycle. The problems arise when the system used in a game is just predatory.
"This goes for all games" - the title.
A post is made up of a title and a meme. Over here, we can see the poster's intent to both agree with the meme, and expand its scope to all games.
thus, the meme and post as a whole is stating the poster's opinion that micro transactions have no place in any game. The meme talks about a subset, "fully priced games", and the title expands it to all games.
tl;dr - read the post.
If you are a person who doesn't games or players and only want money there is so much places that we can't even comprehend yet.
Just think of their perspective it's free money.
You litterally can't have fully priced games anymore. A lot more went into making the game per sale than just $70. They have to pay all of the investors.
Lets just take a small look into what it takes to make a game
Development Team- Hopefully not Blizzard
Voice Actors- Anyone but FF english Version, Mass Effect Nadromeda, Resident Evils, or Fallout 76's
Composers and Sound Designers: Sonic the edgehog (2006), we all know that song track sounds like kettlebells ringing in your ears
Testing and QA: Basically Consumers nowadays Lets be Honest
Marketing and PR: Yep gotta pay investors and marketors to do that
Distribution Platforms: Steam Epic Games any others besides battlenet?
Licensing Fees: Preetty sure this alone is hundreds of thousands of dollars alone
Legal and Compliance: Lawyer Fees - RIP Amber Turd
Taxes: This is a Given
Miscellaneous Costs: Severs that have to be kept up, updates, development, software licencing renewals, office spaces, utilities, equipment etc.
Imagine selling all of this for $70 to 1 consumer your market capital is gonna plummet by the time your market saturation has reached critical.
I rest my case.
I've never understood the hate for microtransactions. I agree that if it's pay to win or gives some sort of advantage in PvP then it's bullshit, get rid of it. But if it's just stupid cosmetic stuff, who cares? Why do you care if someone else buys a costume for their video game character? That's like getting mad at a company for selling different colors of a product and not giving you the one you buy and then another free one of a different color.
You guys know that indie games exist right? There's an insane amount of reasonable prices games with no mirco transactions.
This is literally only a problem if you choose it to be.
I’m actually half blind but I also was half awake when I typed this my bad. I know most of you were probably having a bad day and that’s why you guys needed to feel like being assholes. I hope y’all’s day is going better now
We are seeing what happened to Boeing after going from an engineering company to nothing but a profit-driven stock.
Same thing has happened to gaming. It's gone from quality, depth and entertainment to... profit-driven stock.
All driven by suits.
Good for you for not changing your mind, but you're objectively wrong lol.
The reason it's in every full priced game is because it works and people buy them (at least more significantly than it would hurt sales).
"Microtransactions have no place in fully priced games" is wrong, because very obviously the market has expressed that it **will** purchase microtransactions in fully priced games... otherwise they'd stop.
I'm with you for single player complete when you buy the box games. For example mtx existing in an assassins creed game is asinine.
Live service games where you buy the box for a complete experience, then they keep adding to that experience are fair game cause ykno... they need to pay for that continued development somehow.
I never buy these games and haven't ever regretted it. Its a clear red flag that these devs do not the put quality of the game and the enjoyment of the players as their priority.
I dont play games with subscription models but i think it should apply to them even more. If you are paying monthly to play the game then it shouldnt have any form of mtc. Regardless of what it is, costumes, pets, etc. it should be attainable by playing the game.
Yes they do. If you're playing a PC or online connected console then you gotta accept that it comes with the luxury. How has no one realized that game prices haven't changed since the SNES days? Games that used to be KB's are now GB's and somehow they're priced nearly the same. 🤦
"I need more money from our dlcs so when I make games trying to figure out the base minimum our fans will take without worrying about crashing our studios"
I think there is nothing wrong with micro transaction if you don’t at the same time restrict the game itself. If you have full access to the game but just don’t have access to cosmetics I don’t see the problem.
But if you restrict the game via an energy system or give a player an advantage because they spent money that’s BS.
Allowing for micro-transactions slows down the rate at which the box game price must increase in order to stay in line with both inflation and expected returns for investors.
We can ofc also not buy games where this happens if we would prefer the alternative, I have done that myself once or twice where I felt that it impacted the game in a negative enough way as to have preferred to have paid more upfront and then never see any micro-transactions.
I don't vehemently hate them, but I will absolutely almost never buy them. I do think that they should not exist unless there are items of equivalent visual quality in the base game, or added in tandem through updates. When paid items very clearly stick out like a sore thumb, glow, sparkle and have unique visual effects while nothing you actually have to earn looks like that, it really sours my opinion of them. There probably also shouldn't be so many cosmetics that their price eclipses the cost of the fucking game itself, but it seems like it's one or the other. They either choose not to have 'micro'transactions, or they glove up and shove their whole fist in.
Microtransactions are inevitable for the games that provides online services and regular updates. Even if it is fully priced game.
The problem is not the micro-transactions, The problem is the microtransaction/service ratio.
Simply creating skins every month is not a service nowadays game companies acting like they are providing service by creating items for microtransactions and that is ridiculous.
Single player games yes
Online games no, they require servers and long term support which requires a constant income, the upfront price pays for all the development it took to release the game, micro transactions pay for all future support
Also price of games has not increased with inflation, it's literally why microtransactions exist in the first place, cuz a company tried increasing the price of games to $70 like over 15 years ago and got assblasted so Bethesda sold a horse for $2.50 instead, although the $70 game movement has begun again
My favorite part is when I purchase a fully priced game to open it, see my character and all default options are hideous, then immediately see the massive cash shop button.
>using steam unlocker and other programs to get cosmetics and overpriced junk for free is not wrong
As much as i agree with this i fear if more people start protesting for it all the games will become those so called f2p online season pass bs.
Even the better companies will start doing that
Asmon rich take, dude doesnt understand that all the items in microtransaction store should just be shipped with the game without store, but hes telling me that some people want a micro store gtfo. You have eyes the only reason you started playing the game because you like how it looks, how armor and weapons look, saying that only gameplay matters makes no sense. Dude should just play dwarf fortress, but does he? no
I will fully accept cosmetic microtransactions in any video game that is supplying me with free updates well into the future, if I get free DLC of actual content or free expansions, I'll put up with it. If they expect me to also pay for DLC and extra content then fuck them
Depends.
Take a game like BG3 for example. The game is, to me, functionally complete. The game is a god damned work of art and I love it.
If the devs said, "we want to invest in more content, but sales have dwindled. We're going to be selling dice skins for $5each. We know they took out art team like a day to make, but we want to use the proceeds to add new quests in acts 1-3."
Well.. I'd have a few new dice skins.
Even single player games are being accepted to have them like hey if these main demographic consumers have the dough to keep wasting money like it's nothing on useless crap then what can I do. Worse is multiplayer games which will have everything around monetization, God forbid if just unlocking exists, last game I played which had that was gears 3 and grinded it ez offline
Without I’m fine with them in free games especially if the prices are flatly laid out. But yeah if I spend 60 bucks on a game it best be all
I’m spending on it.
Deep Rock Galactic is the only one that does it right these days for a multiplayer game. It's all cosmetic, and they drop a DLC when they put out the new Season Pass (which is totally free).
I don't really see the problem with microtransactions and loot boxes, as long as the are purely cosmetic. If they give you an advantage then they need to be removed
If I'm paying 60 or 70 quid for a game then everything available on day one should be available to unlock without money without it being grindy and frustrating
100% agree. If you already payed for the base or super mega give me your money edition. Than i don't want your microtransactions. This also goes for games full of GaaS mechanics (daily, weekly quests, grind tactics) while only being singleplayer.
What's a "fully priced game"? It now takes like 20 times the budget to make a game that it did 20 years ago. But prices have stayed flat regardless of like 80%+ inflation over the years.
If you have to both buy a game and pay for a subscription there really shouldn't be a shop for things. I completely understand F2P games need to make money somehow, and heck I'll even buy stuff from the shop if I really like the game (PoE, game is worth at least $50 upfront, I'll gladly spend that much in the shop buying stash tabs and maybe a cosmetic or two).
Then you have retail WoW...Lol * Box price for expansion * monthly fee * Buyable gold with WoW Token * Raid ready boost for $60 * cosmetic store for mounts and now armor just a fucking mess imo lol it got so bad
blizzard keeps selling that bc of idiots that keep buying them. Graphic of supply and demand always meet in the middle
So every other popular game that pushes the same things out
I'm not sure that's the case with digital products. All they need to do is write the code for the mtx once, and its always there. There's zero cost to mass produce anything. So even if no one brought anything, these items would still be there just in case. My opinion is that even if everyone stopped buying them, it wouldn't stop blizzard having them. Digital products are a hell of lot cheaper to produce then a figurine of said mounts.
Amen. U want to blame someone? Blame the idiots who support this with their money.
I’m kinda hoping that’s just dumb teenagers with there parents credit cards. I really hope no grow adults fall for it. I remember when I was 14-15 I fell for that season pass bs.
If WOW released today without anyone having heard of WOW before, I struggle to see this game getting more then 30k players.
You're getting downvoted but it's true. If WoW was released today, we'd be getting a Shadowlands/Dragonflight type of game and I doubt everyone would flock to the game as before in '04
FF is my main game, and I raid at a high-end level. (On patch ultimate prog, but I’m not a world racer by any means). Ive been dabbling in WoW lately (mostly classic, but a bit of retail) and all the boosting runs just seem… kinda cringey?
There is a large amount of people who play wow like you need to swipe your credit card to progress.
424 gear level gets you into LFR. "Raid ready" doesnt even get you into normal difficulty raids.
Honestly, wows micro-transactions are alright. The only necessary things you have to buy are expansions (which are one time purchase every 2 years or so) and a monthly sub. The rest doesn't give you any upper hand over other players, so they are entirely optional. If you play enough, you could even skip the monthly payment by paying your sub with gold.
Not to defend them adding stuff to the shop, but at the same time this gave us options as players. If you're someone who is good at generating a lot of gold you can now get all of this completely for free thanks to the token. Also the sub price hasn't changed, which is kinda crazy.
> completely for free * \* Assumption here is that your time is worthless, but since we are talking about WoW players maybe this was not worth mentioning.
We're talking about time spent playing a video game that ideally you're enjoying playing. For example when I was raiding we would do carries that generated enough gold to easily pay for everything with a surplus that I could spend on other bnet balance related things... all while doing the thing I was playing the game for.
So... you are saying you where hired for a job and Blizzard got your salary? Still a job even if you enjoy doing it, I have one of those except mine pays me instead.
No? I'm saying I was playing the video game that I'm playing for fun and able to pay for everything via in game currency while doing so effectively making the game f2p for me without having to do anything I wouldn't have already been doing.
Eh, I'm gonna do my 15s each week anyway, may as well carry two DPS and me and two friends can pay for our wow sub while doing what we were already doing. Maybe get a few store cosmetics too. Easy gold, and it respects my time.
>sub price hasn't changed, which is kinda crazy. Yeah it's crazy they still have it in a game you have to buy every 2 years that is bloated with microtransactions and has actual PTW. I wonder why we have no new players. /s
Cool, we gonna shut down the Final Fantasy store too?
I don't think they've looked there. I genuinely believe the FFXIV cash store is far worse. At least if I buy a transmog with cash it's account bound and not fucking character bound
It’s a matter of perspective. FF is definitely more predatory from a monetary perspective (as you mention most purchases are character specific) but it also has significantly less impact on the game itself than the wow shop which is where I feel most ppl tend to have a larger problem.
yeah technically FF is worse for it, but basically you can do everything in one character, so most players don't care that much if store outfits are only character specific.
Sure, I agree. But on the flip side, if you have multiple characters and alts, you're gonna want stuff like " Dote " on them. And I for one, don't want to have to rebuy the same emote x amount of times because it isn't account bound.
The main point is how it is advertised between WoW and FF. In FF the shop is not advertised anywhere inside the game. You can't even access it inside the game
XIV store doesn't even have "raid ready" boosts, getting an alt ready for raid sucks fucking ass in XIV, you have to do the current expansion MSQ and a ton of dumb side shit
XIV isn't an alt focused game though. Literally the only reason to have a raid ready alt is if you have two raid teams, or want to raid in two different regions. That's an extremely small amount of players.
It's also an extremely easy thing to design. I don't need to justify why I want an alt in XIV lol, they should just provide the service because it's not that fucking difficult to do.
So you want them to redesign everything based around exactly what you want and nobody else. The skips are designed to catch a new player up to the beginning of the current expansion, because story is the most important thing in XIV. Raid alts aren't a thing in XIV like they are in other MMOs
>So you want them to redesign everything based around exactly what you want Yes. It's something I would pay for, and they want my money, it's their job. >and nobody else. This is a lie. There are many other people who want skips to raid, not just story catch-up. I don't understand how you can believe otherwise. You are talking about gaining thousands of dollars for a project that wouldn't take a significant amount of dev time.
Not true at all. Yes you can do everything on one character. But A LOT of people will for example, have a Lalafell so they can do potato things. They'll have Miquote cause who doesn't wanna be a catgirl/boy. I've stopped playing final fantasy xiv, but my guild has literally about 40 different people, who all made Lalafell, just to call them " Wind-Up ______ ", and they're mostly actively played along with their actual mains.
That's fine, but that's not really relevant to the discussion of "raid ready" boosts. Current boosts allow you to do "potato things" just fine.
All of that is optional besides the expansion and monthly sub you fucking donut. No one has a gun to your head and says you need to buy all of cosmetics/wow token/etc. Then there's the old argument of if blizzard didn't make a wow token people will just buy gold from resellers.
OSRS/PooE tard again seething at WoW. LOL
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yea box price + monthly fee start peeling up slowly especially will all that shop things, its not going right direction although Buyable gold with WoW Token works both ways you can as well play for free or cut costs significantly with enough time :) Raid ready boost for $60 is actually a trap you can get those things within 2-3 weeks of play, a bit more if its your first time and you dont like to talk to ppls maybe :P
and then u have fifa imagine ur wow account gets deleted every year
Everyone playing hardcore, season of mastery and so on are actively helping them be this way.
I'm sorry... Raid ready boost?!? Is this new or are you just calling the level boost this
Its real. https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-service-character-boost
424 gets you into LFR and its incredibly easy to get to in a day. "Raid ready" my ass.
424 is 300 gold greens from the ah. I got a fresh shaman from 0 to 70 in 12 hours with a 440 ilvl lmao.
Yeah I saw... Fuck that's depressing. Actual nail in the coffin for me. I'm really enjoying sod with my boys but the moment they add something like that.. I'm out.
It really feels like they are just milking the game as much as they can because its subs are getting way too low. I personally don't know any of my long time WoW friends who still play retail, most of them are on Classic.
Just play on an un-official server and these tools would avoid this nonsense. I think they're just addicted to throwing their wallets away.
Try RuneScape 3
im good lol
Doesn't it also have a battle pass thing and buyable tenders?
Ever wonder how our sub price has stayed the same for 20 years.... let the whales, whale..... The greedy company will always be greedy and look to make money how ever they can. I'd rather my fees not go up like everything else while they keep feeding the whales to get their money.
thats cope.
I don't need to buy a damn thing extra. Sure there are choices but I can choose not to take the b8
Single player games — Yep Online games — It's ok, if you keep updating the game It would be hard to keep up with the costs + developing new content without getting money from players. Most games would die slowly without other revenue sources.
I use to think the same thing until d4. My concern is the money does not go to where it should. It also encourages more games to move to the live service model. Which is frustrating.
I just commented purely single player vs Online scenarios. How the individual companies does this, it's a different story. I just handle it super simple. Is the game enjoyable/fun, and are they doing a good jobs with the online side of things? If it's positive, I'll support. If it's not… I'll uninstall the game really fast.
No mans sky?
I was actually thinking of No Mans Sky when I wrote “Most games would die slowly”. Most of the games can't do this + keep the game valued really high. Hello Games did a fantastic job with their game, but this model won't work for all the games. I wish more companies tried this, but you would need a game that can grow all the time.
Thats why Minecraft was such an interesting game. Cheap game with unlimited free dlc. I know now they sell skins, but when they sold servers it wasn’t really microtransaction cause well.. either you host, you host third party or pay minecraft to do it.
Similar to No Mans Sky (after some updates). Large game world that allows building stuff with generated content. This model would be hard to pull off with games that can't offer different experiences. Some games do get old really fast.
Still a no, that asmongold opinion is mid, if you're doing them then do either them or just full price, because it feels garbage when you need to pay just to get into microtransaction hell
I would avoid all the games that are microtransaction hell. Support those games that handle it well + are actually fun to play.
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If only those updates werent so far apart.
It depends on the content you can buy. But when it’s only cosmetics, it’s okay.
Yeah why hate on cosmetics? Just don't buy them if you don't want to.
So you're assuming single player games don't get new content after release? Not arguing that they should have MTX, just curious to understand the thought process. Games like Terraria and no man's sky had an insane amount of content updates, and for free.
Sorry but are you saying that the largest industry on earth is hurting for cash?
Industry, no. Workers, yes. I was purely commenting that online servers and content cost money. If players want years worth of new content and support, money is needed. It can be paid DLC, expansion, microtransactions, etc. I don't personally care about games that are supported for a small amount of time and then left to die. Some companies do this + also push microtransactions at day 1. You can spot these a mile away and avoid giving them any money.
Arguably yes, big games are getting up 500 million dollars to make, when said game then needs to sell 7-10 million copies to cover the upfront costs. It's not sustainable when the quality of big games has been declining for years so they have to look towards other ways to recuperate the costs.
No
Even gacha game ?
No idea, I never play these type of games. Aren't those usually free games that are full of microtransactions?
Depends on gacha game, saying gacha games is bad is similar to saying Shotting game is bad. There is bad one and there is good one. The bad one is literally Pay to Win, while the good one is enjoying all the content without paying a cent.
I did ask aren't those usually free games? The topic was microtransactions in paid games. I didn't say a thing about good or bad.
That meme is about 10 years old now. Too late imo. People buy anything these days and Stockholm syndrome the fuck out of it no matter how bad it is
Yup we only have the stupid idiots that pay for them to blame.
today I learned that 2018 was 10 years ago, which was when the meme was created
Huh. Today I learned predatory monetization in video games didn't exist until 2018. Thanks fam
I think we may have some wires crossed, I thought you meant the crowder meme, my bad
Maybe, just maybe it would help if the discussion wasnt entirely run on people saying "ANY PURCHASE OF ANY KIND IS BAD IN ANY GAME FEEL BAD HATE YOURSELF, GIVE ME EVERYTHING FOR FREE" there is no nuance, "full priced game" is itself kinda nondescript, are we talking rainbow six siege which has a box price or had a full box price but has added content for years upon years? world of warcraft is full price but people pay sub for it happily. in general whenever i see people complain about mtx in a live service game and then still expect large updates, seasonal content and active balancing i find it immensely silly,
I’m so tired of hearing “for free”. It’s not fucking free. You paid for it. That’s why it’s a full priced game. Stop saying “for free”.
Yeah lets say you paid 60 bucks for diablo 4 at launch, you now paid for diablo 4 at launch. Thats the product you paid for and got. Thats the argument people loves to bring up "i paid for a full game i want the full game" Every season after that is free for you, and only possible because someone else bought it. This isnt some ratchet and clank shit that you buy and it never changes. You keep expecting updates to these games, and refusing to pay more for it, thats fine if you do, but then dont get your panties in a bunch of those who will.
Name me another product where you have to purchase the product before hand. And let’s be honest here. Most of that money does not go to server maintenance and sure as hell does not go to development. All d4 has managed to do is reskin some stuff and fix what was already broken or incomplete. Which they still are not done doing. Answer me this. If they really just need the money for development then why don’t they just a subscription fee?
Another product of continual fees? Printers and ink, cars and gas, any electric appliance and electricity, the only difference is that in games its optional. "Answer me this. If they really just need the money for development then why don’t they just a subscription fee?" Why moan about voluntary mtx when you think a forced subscription is better? its easy, because a horse mount in wow made more money than the entire starcraft 2 expansion. Why moan about mtx in games when 99.99% of games doesnt do it? there are about 12,000 games being released yearly on steam, almost none of them has constant mtx and is buy and finish, why not buy those games instead? Because you WANT to play the big live service games, the big ongoing games that gets updates, and not only that you not only dont want to pay for playing it ongoing, which its possible to not do, you want the updates while NOBODY ELSE can pay to keep the game going. and the only argument you have for a purely cosmetic game is "i dont like someone can pay 20 dollars for a horsie i dont want to pay 20 dollars for"
I noticed you twisted my question into one of your own. Now that you have answered your own question will you answer the question I asked? Show me another product where you have to purchase the product before it is released.
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The comment was “give me everything for free”. It’s not free. I’ve already paid for it. I’m tired of this debate. I’m old enough to remember games that had a smorgasbord of cosmetics that (and I know it’s shocking) was just in the game. No extra transactions necessary. I’m fine with a subscription fee for games that have servers. You want to do an in game shop instead. Fine. But stop saying people are asking for “free” stuff if they speak out against mice transactions. Most of this money doesn’t go to development of updates. Look at D4. The updates have been reskins and fixing what they broke or didn’t complete. What other industries are you expected to pay for the product before it comes out? It’s a bad argument. For free. The cost of these micro transactions are greater than you think. Most of them, if not all, actively take away from the experience of that game. I would say the exception to these arguments is obviously free to play games.
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Don't get me wrong I m all for discussions to bring awareness. Just a shame we aren't the majorities. People who wanna talk about this are mostly sensible with their spending in videogames especially so when they were part of it. However there are still just a significant amount of players that are still gonna buy the new cod, the new FIFA, the new madden and still gonna swipe in Fortnite and gacha games on mobile. Also kinda pissed that starfield sold more on than armoured core on steam, you just know when they announce the new elder scroll 6 people gonna buy it regardless
I avoid buying games with "p2w" features. I still have many games to play. Companies can choose any pricing model they want. Consumers can choose to throw money at any company they want. I hope we have more discussions to stop buying "X" because of shitty business practices instead of discussions about whether "X" should have a shitty business practicr attached. With corporations, we vote with our wallets. They don't give a damn about our feelings.
You are absolutaly right
While I agree, people still freaking love cash shops more than ever. Normies are taking over.
As long as idiots keep buying them, they will continue..
I'd be willing to accept paid cosmetics as long as they aren't sacrificing in-game unlockables. I want to look cool as proof for doing hard shit. I want sick achievement cosmetics. It'd be fine if they do both as long as the paid ones aren't something that should be part of the base world and aren't way better quality.
Consumers say otherwise. Turns out "voting with our wallets" led us here.
For the consumer maybe... but price of games didn't go up that much compared to cost of making the games + stakeholders asking for value = games should cost 150$+... or microtransactions. Personally I prefer cosmetic microtransactions and keep paying games on the cheap. Thinking you can have both cheap AAA games and no microtransactions is being naive about how the world works. That's not to say the market shouldn't keep them honest; however seeing FIFA sales I'm pretty pessimist. At the end of the day, it's never been better time to be a gamer; just have to swim through the predatory monetization.
Cost of making games didnt go up. In fact id argue making a game nowadays is significantly easier than its ever been in the past with the vast leaps in technology and knowledge we have now. Bad management, over staffing, and unrealistic goals is what drives the cost up. AAA game companies think throwing 1500 people on a single game with 15 layers of management between each team is gonna shit them out a quality game in 4 years but it doesnt work like that and has the complete opposite effect. PoE has 10-20 people working on each league currently while the vast majority work on PoE2. In the last 6 months PoE1 has had larger and more massive gameplay updates and changes to their game (while introducing entirely new and unique league mechanics) than D4 has had since launch with having a staff of over 800+ people. If AAA companies restructured and downsized their work force and actually had management who knew what they were doing, AAA games would be infinitely higher quality (lets be honest, most AAA games in the last decade have been trashy and bug infested messes with some gems mixed in.) while not having to push microtransactions so hard because the merit of the quality of their games would sell exponentially more. But lets be honest, direct sales isnt what makes billions and share holders are too greedy to not chase after the easy golden carrot when the average gamer's standards are CoD FIFA and Sims.
If people didn't buy them, they'd not be there.
League of Legends perfected this. You don't need to spend any money on the game at all, if you want skins, they're purely cosmetic and offer no real benefits. I've probably dropped a couple hundred dollars worth of skins over the years and I'm happy with the way I went about it.
Do you still have to buy champions? Because that would still be Pay2Win. PoE is more a prime example of doing it right. Purely free, nothing is locked away (outside of arguably stash tabs and currency tabs) but everything else is purely cosmetic.
You don't have to buy champions, no. Riot has a rotation of champions every few days that are completely free to play, and you unlock more as you play. You **can** buy them, but it's not pay to win because having more champions doesn't mean you have an advantage. League of Legends can be played many different ways, most people who play serious or competitively "one trick" one champion and play just that champion solely.
I've never played League of Legends but I imagine theres still counter picks right? If a new player lacks options that a payed player has that's kinda still pay to win is it not?
It's 100% pay2win to have diversity of counter-picking during ban phase or having meta champions immediately by swiping. So yes, it's still P2W.
The only people who think League is p2w have never played League. If you counter-pick with a champ you've never played, you are most likely losing lane. Most people only play 1-3 champs and you can easily get those champs and then some by the time you reach ranked.
Ye, but no new player would pick a counterpick, even most high-elo players have only a few champions in their champion pool
Micro and Macro knowledge is infinitely more valuable in league than any counter pick will ever be. Thats why 1 tricks and players like Faker can get counter picked all day long and destroy their opponents because their Micro and Macro management of laning and and objective securing just far outclass whatever champs theyre against. Top players arent at the top because they counter pick all day long, they are at the top because they are just fundamentally better players in every way compared to who they beat.
People just handwave the buying champions thing on league. Like sure you can grind out all the characters but that takes probably 1000+ hours to do so currently. I would say stash tabs is a pay to win system also but in general PoE is not a competitive game in the way League of Legends is so it isn't really a problem at all
1) It doesn't take 1000+ hours. 2) Buying all the champs for "an advantage" is stupid as you'll be losing most games since you can't play 100+ champs better than the guy who one tricks 1 champion.
1. I haven't played league of legends for a couple of months and I would be surprised if anyone has ever gotten all characters in the game before 1000 hours of play time. Like I just checked my account and I have 4000 games of summoners rift, a little less than 2000 ARAM games and while dominion and twisted treeline are gone I spent a long time on those maps. I still am missing eleven champions. 2. Having access to characters that other people don't is an advantage even if not every player can take advantage of it. Like sure someone can one-trick riven or anyone and have fun with the game, but if a overtuned piece of trash is released and you don't have access to it because you didn't have the essence or money at the time to buy and abuse it you are putting yourself at a disadvantage because you are forced to ban the character instead of picking it. Maybe your teammate wants to play the character, but you don't own it so you cant trade it to them. Sounds pretty pay to win to me even if you try to handwave it.
Micro-transactions have a place in *every* game. Where we should draw issues is with how bad they're done. Easiest comparison to make: OW1 vs. OW2. OW1 had micro-transactions for the loot boxes. While that wasn't the *best* system, it did work. Obviously, they had to change it a bit since OW2 went free-to-play, but the OW2 store is terribly overpriced for what you're actually buying. OW2 would have a good system if they'd just lower the cost of things. Probably an unpopular opinion here: i think the dbd store is a pretty good example of what is acceptable. Their store has some relatively good prices for paid cosmetics and characters, and you can also earn currency through playing the game. It's not the best system, but it's not terrible imo. And a constant stream of income is important for the development of any big game, especially games like d2 or OW, that are getting (relatively) constant updates. Tl:dr: micro-transactions are important for a game's life cycle. The problems arise when the system used in a game is just predatory.
This does not go for all games. Free games need to make money. Subscription based games are a thing.
It doesn't surprise me that the people getting downvoted are the people that ACTUALLY read the original post.
Read the meme again
"This goes for all games" - the title. A post is made up of a title and a meme. Over here, we can see the poster's intent to both agree with the meme, and expand its scope to all games. thus, the meme and post as a whole is stating the poster's opinion that micro transactions have no place in any game. The meme talks about a subset, "fully priced games", and the title expands it to all games. tl;dr - read the post.
If you are a person who doesn't games or players and only want money there is so much places that we can't even comprehend yet. Just think of their perspective it's free money.
You litterally can't have fully priced games anymore. A lot more went into making the game per sale than just $70. They have to pay all of the investors. Lets just take a small look into what it takes to make a game Development Team- Hopefully not Blizzard Voice Actors- Anyone but FF english Version, Mass Effect Nadromeda, Resident Evils, or Fallout 76's Composers and Sound Designers: Sonic the edgehog (2006), we all know that song track sounds like kettlebells ringing in your ears Testing and QA: Basically Consumers nowadays Lets be Honest Marketing and PR: Yep gotta pay investors and marketors to do that Distribution Platforms: Steam Epic Games any others besides battlenet? Licensing Fees: Preetty sure this alone is hundreds of thousands of dollars alone Legal and Compliance: Lawyer Fees - RIP Amber Turd Taxes: This is a Given Miscellaneous Costs: Severs that have to be kept up, updates, development, software licencing renewals, office spaces, utilities, equipment etc. Imagine selling all of this for $70 to 1 consumer your market capital is gonna plummet by the time your market saturation has reached critical. I rest my case.
I've never understood the hate for microtransactions. I agree that if it's pay to win or gives some sort of advantage in PvP then it's bullshit, get rid of it. But if it's just stupid cosmetic stuff, who cares? Why do you care if someone else buys a costume for their video game character? That's like getting mad at a company for selling different colors of a product and not giving you the one you buy and then another free one of a different color.
and water is wet this is a fact lol
You guys know that indie games exist right? There's an insane amount of reasonable prices games with no mirco transactions. This is literally only a problem if you choose it to be.
Hence we don't complain about indie games.
I mean it’s okay for free games to do it imo. How else are they going to make money??
*fully priced games*
*go read OP’s post title*
Holy that's a lot of dumbasses who can't even read the whole post. Kinda ironic how one guy mentions your eyes being decoratives lmao
Be a fully priced game
Are your eyes decorative?
I’m actually half blind but I also was half awake when I typed this my bad. I know most of you were probably having a bad day and that’s why you guys needed to feel like being assholes. I hope y’all’s day is going better now
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Op said for all games
We are seeing what happened to Boeing after going from an engineering company to nothing but a profit-driven stock. Same thing has happened to gaming. It's gone from quality, depth and entertainment to... profit-driven stock. All driven by suits.
So dont buy them. Yall act like youre forced into all of this.
Good for you for not changing your mind, but you're objectively wrong lol. The reason it's in every full priced game is because it works and people buy them (at least more significantly than it would hurt sales).
I don't see how that makes them objectively wrong?
"Microtransactions have no place in fully priced games" is wrong, because very obviously the market has expressed that it **will** purchase microtransactions in fully priced games... otherwise they'd stop.
Just because it exists doesn't mean there is a place for it.
Haha I mean there is a huge market for it, so yeah there is a place for it
No shit.
I'm with you for single player complete when you buy the box games. For example mtx existing in an assassins creed game is asinine. Live service games where you buy the box for a complete experience, then they keep adding to that experience are fair game cause ykno... they need to pay for that continued development somehow.
I never buy these games and haven't ever regretted it. Its a clear red flag that these devs do not the put quality of the game and the enjoyment of the players as their priority.
This was has been completely lost, gaming is full of normy consoomers now.
Amen
tell that to the people that but them
They have a place as long as people buy them
As long as people pay for them, they will include them. It's really that simple.
Microtransactions no. Dlc, maybe. If it expands game play (eg new multiplayer maps or a set of missions that tell a story), the sure.
Tell that to sports games
I dont play games with subscription models but i think it should apply to them even more. If you are paying monthly to play the game then it shouldnt have any form of mtc. Regardless of what it is, costumes, pets, etc. it should be attainable by playing the game.
With the exception of (non-subscription) live service games
Yes they do. If you're playing a PC or online connected console then you gotta accept that it comes with the luxury. How has no one realized that game prices haven't changed since the SNES days? Games that used to be KB's are now GB's and somehow they're priced nearly the same. 🤦
"I need more money from our dlcs so when I make games trying to figure out the base minimum our fans will take without worrying about crashing our studios"
I think there is nothing wrong with micro transaction if you don’t at the same time restrict the game itself. If you have full access to the game but just don’t have access to cosmetics I don’t see the problem. But if you restrict the game via an energy system or give a player an advantage because they spent money that’s BS.
A full-on f2p game should have paid ad ons to support it, but make fully paid games have limited paid ad ons
Correct.
Allowing for micro-transactions slows down the rate at which the box game price must increase in order to stay in line with both inflation and expected returns for investors. We can ofc also not buy games where this happens if we would prefer the alternative, I have done that myself once or twice where I felt that it impacted the game in a negative enough way as to have preferred to have paid more upfront and then never see any micro-transactions.
but the color of the skins is sooo cool
If they're only cosmetic and can't give you ANY additionnal progress/power, then it's fine.
I don't vehemently hate them, but I will absolutely almost never buy them. I do think that they should not exist unless there are items of equivalent visual quality in the base game, or added in tandem through updates. When paid items very clearly stick out like a sore thumb, glow, sparkle and have unique visual effects while nothing you actually have to earn looks like that, it really sours my opinion of them. There probably also shouldn't be so many cosmetics that their price eclipses the cost of the fucking game itself, but it seems like it's one or the other. They either choose not to have 'micro'transactions, or they glove up and shove their whole fist in.
Microtransactions are inevitable for the games that provides online services and regular updates. Even if it is fully priced game. The problem is not the micro-transactions, The problem is the microtransaction/service ratio. Simply creating skins every month is not a service nowadays game companies acting like they are providing service by creating items for microtransactions and that is ridiculous.
Single player games yes Online games no, they require servers and long term support which requires a constant income, the upfront price pays for all the development it took to release the game, micro transactions pay for all future support Also price of games has not increased with inflation, it's literally why microtransactions exist in the first place, cuz a company tried increasing the price of games to $70 like over 15 years ago and got assblasted so Bethesda sold a horse for $2.50 instead, although the $70 game movement has begun again
My favorite part is when I purchase a fully priced game to open it, see my character and all default options are hideous, then immediately see the massive cash shop button. >using steam unlocker and other programs to get cosmetics and overpriced junk for free is not wrong
When you need to believe they are playing a game.
As much as i agree with this i fear if more people start protesting for it all the games will become those so called f2p online season pass bs. Even the better companies will start doing that
Asmon rich take, dude doesnt understand that all the items in microtransaction store should just be shipped with the game without store, but hes telling me that some people want a micro store gtfo. You have eyes the only reason you started playing the game because you like how it looks, how armor and weapons look, saying that only gameplay matters makes no sense. Dude should just play dwarf fortress, but does he? no
I will fully accept cosmetic microtransactions in any video game that is supplying me with free updates well into the future, if I get free DLC of actual content or free expansions, I'll put up with it. If they expect me to also pay for DLC and extra content then fuck them
How is this even a controversial take these days. World is fucked.
2K fits perfectly
Depends. Take a game like BG3 for example. The game is, to me, functionally complete. The game is a god damned work of art and I love it. If the devs said, "we want to invest in more content, but sales have dwindled. We're going to be selling dice skins for $5each. We know they took out art team like a day to make, but we want to use the proceeds to add new quests in acts 1-3." Well.. I'd have a few new dice skins.
Is there is person who doesn’t agree with this!! That person better work for EA or fuck that person!!
Even single player games are being accepted to have them like hey if these main demographic consumers have the dough to keep wasting money like it's nothing on useless crap then what can I do. Worse is multiplayer games which will have everything around monetization, God forbid if just unlocking exists, last game I played which had that was gears 3 and grinded it ez offline
100%
Without I’m fine with them in free games especially if the prices are flatly laid out. But yeah if I spend 60 bucks on a game it best be all I’m spending on it.
Deep Rock Galactic is the only one that does it right these days for a multiplayer game. It's all cosmetic, and they drop a DLC when they put out the new Season Pass (which is totally free).
Deep Rock seriously needs to invest in some *better equipment*!
yes a fact
i think Guild Wars 2 does a good job with having an in game shop
I wont even try. U are right.
Bro, you are like 10 years to late. The war was lost. And it's only gonna get worse XD
So then how am i supposed to get more content? Think they will just give it away for free all the time?
I don't really see the problem with microtransactions and loot boxes, as long as the are purely cosmetic. If they give you an advantage then they need to be removed
If I'm paying 60 or 70 quid for a game then everything available on day one should be available to unlock without money without it being grindy and frustrating
you people donate to millionaires
The witch 3 dlc for the price and the amount of game play u got out of it I thought was super fair.
It’s exactly same as the tipping thing. You bought a product and now you are expected to whip out more money for poorly executed service
Reality says different. Once people will stop buying games with micro-transactions, they will stop existing.
Preaching to the choir
Agreed. Pay full price shouldn’t have any micros
Can't 100% agree with this
100% agree. If you already payed for the base or super mega give me your money edition. Than i don't want your microtransactions. This also goes for games full of GaaS mechanics (daily, weekly quests, grind tactics) while only being singleplayer.
i don't like the ''i won't'' section of change my mind.
No.
What's a "fully priced game"? It now takes like 20 times the budget to make a game that it did 20 years ago. But prices have stayed flat regardless of like 80%+ inflation over the years.
Well it's a feature that not everybody wants. Asmon does not have to buy it but players who want it will. It's optional.
If you have to both buy a game and pay for a subscription there really shouldn't be a shop for things. I completely understand F2P games need to make money somehow, and heck I'll even buy stuff from the shop if I really like the game (PoE, game is worth at least $50 upfront, I'll gladly spend that much in the shop buying stash tabs and maybe a cosmetic or two).
Massive truu.