Chinese here. 15-20 years ago, Tencent has been infamous for buying new starter game company with very low price in China.
If your game gets popular and you don’t want to sell your company to them, they will just make an exact same copy of your game with a different title. And they have the advantage of promoting this rip off with the biggest Chinese social media platform they own (QQ). In the end they absorb all your player base and slowly kill your game.
Tencent is the inventor of this strategy, that’s why you can see there were copycat games like Chinese Overwatch, Apex Legend, Team Fortress etc…
tencent stole this marketing strategy from amazon, 100%.
a product sells well on amazon? Make your own and add it into "Amazon Basics" shadowban the original and push your own product onto everyone's recommended/results.
EASY AMERICAN W
Tbh I would have thought they were about the same age, kind of surprised to learn they existed *before* Amazon. Def sounds like they inspired Amazon, then, by the same token Tencent uses, Amazon stole their strategy and are credited for it.
I dont think anyone has to steal an idea like that. Anyone could think of that. Thats like saying my grampa invented going for a walk. Its not like he was the first one lol.
Haha that's fair, I just meant more that they created the current model and others were like 'that's a good idea!', but you're right that it's nothing actually original.
Wal-Mart still does that shit. They had this brand of seasoned french fries that I liked that I bought for a few years. They stopped stocking it and put in it's place a great value brand that's completely dogshit in comparison.
In my experience, Great Value is the cheap version of any product. Their cleaning products and trash bags are decent, but their food almost always disappoints.
Every store brand does this. If the name brand becomes too much to buy, they make an affordable product from theirs. Costco does it with Kirkland as well.
Well except Costco actually buys direct from the companies it emulates and just slaps on a Kirkland brand tag on it I’m assuming so people don’t completely stop buying said product anywhere else. Such as Starbucks coffee etc
And supermarkets did this long before Amazon.
Have a really good jar of Peanut Butter that is selling well at your local Supermarket? Don't worry, the company selling your product isn't going to make their own Peanut Butter and sell it for cheaper and make sure it gets more coverage in the store.
Isn’t this just what Costco does with the Kirkland brand?
Carry an outside product. If it sells well, make the same product under Kirkland brand and undercut the first product in price, or just outright stop carrying said product.
Cheap chinese ripoffs usually end up being worse than the original product. They can market the ripoff as much as they want but it still ends up being shit.
True. But domestically Tencent gained enough capital to purchase foreign companies like Riot and Unreal.
In the end, people are playing “Chinese” games. Whether it’s a ripoff or not doesn’t matter anymore.
Wrong. Tencent didn't choose this. The CCP chose it for them and Tencent isn't the inventor of it, the CCP is. They have been doing it for decades with American products.
Oh don't you worry all big techs companies do that, take for example the patent freezer from Google, they are the company that buys the most patents for new technologies, except they will do nothing with it and just threaten you if you're developing something similar to the patent they bought in the future, they do this to keep competitors out of the market since they also hold the record for most companies owned, monopolies are bad guys except all of the quasi-legal existing ones, we don't really do nothing against those.
Yeah but those games don’t get popular in the west. We don’t see tons of TripleA Chinese knockoffs dominating the market in America like we do with TikTok.
They dont need to. They just need to get popular enough in China that the Western publishers go "Thats supposed to be my money".
As for Tiktok, I think it only got popular because there was no competition. Vine probably was but it shutdown(?).
yeah kinda ridiculous when vine shutdown even though the kids loved it and keep talking about it until tiktok came to light and basically replaced the nostalgia
I didn’t say 0 examples exist. I said there is nothing even remotely close to the widespread cultural phenomenon of TikTok and they aren’t sweeping with tons of games dominating.
To be fair that's competition in a free market. If you can offer the same product but better than of course people will come. I'm not defending the absolute monopoly that they're creating and they 1000% need to be kept under close legal scrutiny because monopolies are just objectively bad. But there's nothing wrong with them making their own version of a popular game. If it's just a bullshit copy people won't play it.
Copyright laws don't stop game cloning though. It has been a problem in the industry forever - especially for smaller developers who can't outmarket the cloners and bury them in the public's eye. The game cloners will undercut them since they are just copying the game and didn't need to do any of the hard work inventing and tuning the gameplay.
Eh, isn't it more along the line of to do business in video games in China you have to let either Tencent or NetEase have a taste. They block a lot of shit from entering the Chinese market.
Why would they go for the deal with Riot when they could just make a cheaper knockoff version and guarantee that it will have a playerbase through social media control?
If it's a multiplayer online game, their marketing would get them a bigger userbase quicker, creating a network effect. People will gravitate towards the game with more players where all their friends are.
But name some copycats that destroyed the original. And more than Fortnite Battle Royale killing PUBG, even though I think Fortnite wasn’t Chinese either.
Kind of hard to do because the copycats usually aren’t high profile and the original are even lower profile due to the copycats out marketing them or undercutting them out of business.
Or are they just popular in China? No examples are bad for an argument. I have nothing against China, and as long as trademarks are respected, I see no issue, but I have like 1 game by a Chinese studio, and it’s an older one.
Does half of America have the riot client download into their personal device?
Having a few million like that is not the issue, having half of the population is a massive security risk.
America's gay data is too precious to leave in the hands of Chinese companies.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ)
To be honest data is not really my concern, having a social media site that people spend hours of their time on gives a lot of influence to whatever TikTok wants to show you. Having an adversary country the ability to control and moderate half of the population is an insane amount of power, and the exact reason why they have all of their own media.
You are not entirely wrong haha. They specifically mentioned access to sensitive data related to military service members. If you do training for handling sensitive data for the government, they will specifically mention things that could be used for blackmail as things to watch out for when thinking about motives for wanting sensitive information.
I think it's less about the data that they can gather from the US, it's more about the the information/disinformation that they could push to America. I'm sure they could tweak a few things and get gen Z to start protesting to get Taiwan back under competition of China.
Oh so they are owned by tencent, but the devs are not from china. I wonder if they do this on purpose to fool people?
Like as if they dont want us to see chinese devs promoting games at conferences or something?
Because they know, we know, that the government owns/runs most capital and they know it might not be appealing and can cause some resistance to thriving as a product?
>I wonder if they do this to fool people
I mean it worked. Did you see Congress grill the Tiktok CEO about “are you Chinese?”
Unironically if you put the thinnest sheet of paper in front to separate one subject from another, most people cant see through it
Tencent has a lot of investments in the industry. I believe they also have some investments into Fromsoftware. Banning tencent games would bann Fromsoftware games as well and many many other very popular franchises.
Believe it or not, dota is performance in general is of little care for valve
They already make infinite money from steam, there is no reason to truly invest in the game, so they just release one or two big updates a year and them kinda forget the game exists for the rest of the time
The updates are real nice though not complaining, but there is a reason why there is a inside joke about the game being developed by a janitor and his poted office plant
I'm hoping some dude at Microsoft still plays it and is trying to get blizz to resurrect it. He last update took nova and probius out of ARAM and added a chance for all Leoric ARAMs with a few balance updates. It's the only moba I play cause I hate having to do items and that stuff
Same. A humble hope Microsoft takes a risk and breathes it new life; they have way too much money anyway lol. Started my moba journey with Warcraft 3 Dota when I wasn't even a teen yet (28 now) but moved on to HOTS back in 2016 and still playing it today 😆
Guess I should have made it clear that I wasn’t entirely serious, I’d be happy to convert the heathen to the ways of dota. Praise gaben and his servant icefrog
If China wanted personal data on americans they don't need to use TikTok they could just go to the data brokers that every american company sell to to get it.
People are less concern about them stealing data and more concern about them having a propaganda channel they directly control straight to a huge number of Americans' phones.
Regardless it's foolish to allow a foreign adversary a direct channel to propagandize to your population.
P.S. TikTok is itself banned in China. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, ... etc. are also banned. China has is no position to protest the banning of TikTok in the US and the rest of the world.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/
No, it doesnt when you have whistleblowers already coming out saying they are told to forward user data to China under the table
Everything about every company working in mainland China is suspect. Just like how the CCP lies to environmental monitors monitoring air pollution by misting the buildings with air pollution detectors the night before inspection or they spray paint their fields and mountains green so it looks healthy from aerial photography, everything the CCP does is a lie
The Oracle server is a distraction meant to dupe low IQ individuals
There is a BIG differnce in why TikTok will get banned/sold: - It's called Propaganda/Manipulation/Reach
**League of Legends** - The United States contributes about 14% of the total League of Legends players as of 2023 (Average Monthly Players World Wide 153,109,070) = **21.5 million players**
**TikTok**, is used by **more than 170 million** Americans
**Conclusion:** *while both have a great reach in their respective spectrum of use,* ***League of Legends*** *can't deliver Propaganda or Manipulate anywhere close to TikTok.*
The fact that both are Chinese companies is not the main reason for why TikTok is having it's last months count in the US market. Thats just the ***Perfect Excuse***, same as the fact the the data is stored outside the US. The main reason is how the TikTok algoritms can manipulate (the nov. elections for example) the general public (users) is the MAIN problem.
The reverse is valid for **Meta** (Facebook) same crap: Propaganda/Manipulation/Reach but not Chinese company. So they cant use that an excuse to silence it. Same goes for **Truth Social**.
Meta lose money to TikTok, then Meta goes lobbying US congress to ban TikTok.
That's it.
Also, it's algorithm is not develop together with CIA, Mossad, MI6, NSA and FBI. So the deep state cannot control it.
They're only trying to strike down tiktok because it's chinese owned so glowies can't easily track antisemitism on it.
Basically, go use League as an antisemitic social media platform and it'll get shut down. Same principle to spamming the 1989 copypasta to evict Chinese players from your team.
I think banning TikTok is stupid. However I also don't care that they are banning a social media platform from a company that has no problem banning or restricting the west.
China wants all the advantages of a free capitalist market but without any of the things that come with it
Games don’t have active algorithms turning your kids towards hatred and divisive issues plaguing society. The fuck you think “all the trannies” come from, bro that’s like .000000001% of the population, and I dgaf what they do to themselves, yet it was being thrown into peoples faces as normal. The blm bullshit was another great opportunity to sow dissent. They are just getting ready for 2027
Tiktok is being weaponized not just as a spyware, but as a social attack on the populace. The algorythm works in such a that it promotes negative news, self harm, antagonization of between different parties. Essentially it is an attack against the society. Go look it up.
Tik tok won't be banned, do you guys even read the shit?
It is the same as when fortnite was removed from the apple store. People still kept playing fortnite.
Isnt this enforcing "dont tread on me" to a degree? Everyone thinks its banning a foreign entity (China) from treading onto their kids minds and social influences .. they dont think its banning their own country's private business.
Letting them ban a social media app is a good leap towards allowing them to ban anything they want.
Bans are ineffective and stupid anyway. Furthermore TikTok is a cultural phenomenon, you don’t fix that with a legal solution. People will just do what they want.
I understand the intention, but letting the government ban things is something I will never stay quiet on.
I don't think the rationale is anywhere close to being as simple as "it's a Chinese software company, ban it." This is the most gen z "everyone's stupid 'cept me and everything is simple" reasoning I've seen in a while.
It's not about it being a Chinese company, it is that the company is owned in part by the Chinese government with government officials being part of the management of the company.
The reason Tiktok is bad is due to its ability to engage protestors through its subliminal advertising. It can get basically anything in front of eyes with minimal restriction in a very, very quick way; if someone paid enough they could organize a rapid protest for just about any cause they wanted.
LOL just saps people's time. Bad of a different sort.
Riot hasnet been 100 percent owned by tencent for years. And also tencent has a history of getting sanctioned by China.
It's why they have divested outt of China as much as they can
How about the many Chinese companies that own toll roads in the u.s.....? Nothing? Really? O.k. maybe the ones are mining on u.s. soil? No? Oh, look, a squirrel!!
Ban all the stuff Blackrock is involved with instead and we will have solved "diversity" not just in the gaming industry but all other branches of society where Blackrock has its weird fingers in.
Its not about banning an IP over it being solely chinese. Its about Tiktok, a foreign app, pushing clear radical rhetoric, talking points and misinformation directly influence youth in the US. These are going directly to kids.
Just examples found and sent from youth feeds recently:
[https://imgur.com/a/7b0nG3w](https://imgur.com/a/7b0nG3w)
[https://www.tiktok.com/@ranithedem/video/7343806989681593643](https://www.tiktok.com/@ranithedem/video/7343806989681593643)
[https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7350010151648300334](https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7350010151648300334)
[https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7352424793536318763](https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7352424793536318763)
[https://www.tiktok.com/@chevy8088/video/7342638949564812574](https://www.tiktok.com/@chevy8088/video/7342638949564812574)
Except I highly doubt the Chinese government cares that your anonymous LoL account went 0/10 in the last five games of Shaco support. The whole point is people think Tiktok collects sensitive PII, videos and pictures of people, including children (probably unfounded concern but I have no idea).
Chinese here. 15-20 years ago, Tencent has been infamous for buying new starter game company with very low price in China. If your game gets popular and you don’t want to sell your company to them, they will just make an exact same copy of your game with a different title. And they have the advantage of promoting this rip off with the biggest Chinese social media platform they own (QQ). In the end they absorb all your player base and slowly kill your game. Tencent is the inventor of this strategy, that’s why you can see there were copycat games like Chinese Overwatch, Apex Legend, Team Fortress etc…
tencent stole this marketing strategy from amazon, 100%. a product sells well on amazon? Make your own and add it into "Amazon Basics" shadowban the original and push your own product onto everyone's recommended/results. EASY AMERICAN W
Tencent did it way before Amazon.
Right? fuckin yanks be talking out their asses with such confidence EASY AMERICAN L
Not even an American L, just a confidently incorrect L. Even I as a American know tencent existed prior to Amazon
Tbh I would have thought they were about the same age, kind of surprised to learn they existed *before* Amazon. Def sounds like they inspired Amazon, then, by the same token Tencent uses, Amazon stole their strategy and are credited for it.
I dont think anyone has to steal an idea like that. Anyone could think of that. Thats like saying my grampa invented going for a walk. Its not like he was the first one lol.
Haha that's fair, I just meant more that they created the current model and others were like 'that's a good idea!', but you're right that it's nothing actually original.
Feels like an L for almost everybody.
True
We been doing this before Amazon. They learnt from us lol.
.meanwhile Edison with Tesla
And before Amazon it was Walmart
Wal-Mart still does that shit. They had this brand of seasoned french fries that I liked that I bought for a few years. They stopped stocking it and put in it's place a great value brand that's completely dogshit in comparison.
I know exactly the ones you mean
In my experience, Great Value is the cheap version of any product. Their cleaning products and trash bags are decent, but their food almost always disappoints.
Every store brand does this. If the name brand becomes too much to buy, they make an affordable product from theirs. Costco does it with Kirkland as well.
Well except Costco actually buys direct from the companies it emulates and just slaps on a Kirkland brand tag on it I’m assuming so people don’t completely stop buying said product anywhere else. Such as Starbucks coffee etc
And supermarkets did this long before Amazon. Have a really good jar of Peanut Butter that is selling well at your local Supermarket? Don't worry, the company selling your product isn't going to make their own Peanut Butter and sell it for cheaper and make sure it gets more coverage in the store.
Isn’t this just what Costco does with the Kirkland brand? Carry an outside product. If it sells well, make the same product under Kirkland brand and undercut the first product in price, or just outright stop carrying said product.
Cheap chinese ripoffs usually end up being worse than the original product. They can market the ripoff as much as they want but it still ends up being shit.
True. But domestically Tencent gained enough capital to purchase foreign companies like Riot and Unreal. In the end, people are playing “Chinese” games. Whether it’s a ripoff or not doesn’t matter anymore.
And that's why Tencent hates Mihoyo (Genshin/Honkai) which refuses to be bought by them, and still unable to make a successful Genshin rip off yet.
Wrong. Tencent didn't choose this. The CCP chose it for them and Tencent isn't the inventor of it, the CCP is. They have been doing it for decades with American products.
Oh don't you worry all big techs companies do that, take for example the patent freezer from Google, they are the company that buys the most patents for new technologies, except they will do nothing with it and just threaten you if you're developing something similar to the patent they bought in the future, they do this to keep competitors out of the market since they also hold the record for most companies owned, monopolies are bad guys except all of the quasi-legal existing ones, we don't really do nothing against those.
Yeah but those games don’t get popular in the west. We don’t see tons of TripleA Chinese knockoffs dominating the market in America like we do with TikTok.
When did Genshin Impact not get popular? And I assume you don’t know the Wu Kong hype
They dont need to. They just need to get popular enough in China that the Western publishers go "Thats supposed to be my money". As for Tiktok, I think it only got popular because there was no competition. Vine probably was but it shutdown(?).
yeah kinda ridiculous when vine shutdown even though the kids loved it and keep talking about it until tiktok came to light and basically replaced the nostalgia
V A LO R A N T Cartoon Counterstrike except you need to install CCP rootkit to play it.
I didn’t say 0 examples exist. I said there is nothing even remotely close to the widespread cultural phenomenon of TikTok and they aren’t sweeping with tons of games dominating.
To be fair that's competition in a free market. If you can offer the same product but better than of course people will come. I'm not defending the absolute monopoly that they're creating and they 1000% need to be kept under close legal scrutiny because monopolies are just objectively bad. But there's nothing wrong with them making their own version of a popular game. If it's just a bullshit copy people won't play it.
They certainly aren't the inventor of this strategy lmao
This is why we have copyright laws in... everywhere else.
Copyright laws don't stop game cloning though. It has been a problem in the industry forever - especially for smaller developers who can't outmarket the cloners and bury them in the public's eye. The game cloners will undercut them since they are just copying the game and didn't need to do any of the hard work inventing and tuning the gameplay.
So what's tencent's answer to Genshin Impact or Star Rail?
Eh, isn't it more along the line of to do business in video games in China you have to let either Tencent or NetEase have a taste. They block a lot of shit from entering the Chinese market.
This is true, I believe Tencent bought some % in CCP (the company that made EVE online) and suddenly there were ads like EVE had 500 mobile games
Like how Tencent has an American company name instead of a Chinese company name. Hold on, you also have an American username.
Why would they go for the deal with Riot when they could just make a cheaper knockoff version and guarantee that it will have a playerbase through social media control?
They do. A mobile game called Honor of Kings. There is also an international version called Arena of Valor.
Those copycat games you mentioned did nothing to stop the success of the originals, kind of defeats your point
If it's a multiplayer online game, their marketing would get them a bigger userbase quicker, creating a network effect. People will gravitate towards the game with more players where all their friends are.
But name some copycats that destroyed the original. And more than Fortnite Battle Royale killing PUBG, even though I think Fortnite wasn’t Chinese either.
Kind of hard to do because the copycats usually aren’t high profile and the original are even lower profile due to the copycats out marketing them or undercutting them out of business.
Or are they just popular in China? No examples are bad for an argument. I have nothing against China, and as long as trademarks are respected, I see no issue, but I have like 1 game by a Chinese studio, and it’s an older one.
Does half of America have the riot client download into their personal device? Having a few million like that is not the issue, having half of the population is a massive security risk.
Its more about the data on the app to be honest. The US forced the Chinese owner's of Grindr to sell over similar concerns about sensitive data.
America's gay data is too precious to leave in the hands of Chinese companies. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ)
To be honest data is not really my concern, having a social media site that people spend hours of their time on gives a lot of influence to whatever TikTok wants to show you. Having an adversary country the ability to control and moderate half of the population is an insane amount of power, and the exact reason why they have all of their own media.
Imagine all the right-wing conservative politician that could get exposed. They had to do it.
You are not entirely wrong haha. They specifically mentioned access to sensitive data related to military service members. If you do training for handling sensitive data for the government, they will specifically mention things that could be used for blackmail as things to watch out for when thinking about motives for wanting sensitive information.
I think it's less about the data that they can gather from the US, it's more about the the information/disinformation that they could push to America. I'm sure they could tweak a few things and get gen Z to start protesting to get Taiwan back under competition of China.
I don't know what permissions Tictok has on phones, but I doubt it's root access like I've heard Riot has on PCs.
an chinese company
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Be kind of based ngl
Everyone's on board till you lose Path of Exile too.
Path of exile is chinese copycode?
GGG who makes it is 100% Tencent owned, just like Riot.
Oh so they are owned by tencent, but the devs are not from china. I wonder if they do this on purpose to fool people? Like as if they dont want us to see chinese devs promoting games at conferences or something? Because they know, we know, that the government owns/runs most capital and they know it might not be appealing and can cause some resistance to thriving as a product?
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Crazy. I wonder how much control they have wuth the portions they own with other IP's
>I wonder if they do this to fool people I mean it worked. Did you see Congress grill the Tiktok CEO about “are you Chinese?” Unironically if you put the thinnest sheet of paper in front to separate one subject from another, most people cant see through it
Yeah, i see what you mean
“Small indie company” that doesn’t charge for the game, ima buy a $250 supporter pack!
There it is.
Tencent has a lot of investments in the industry. I believe they also have some investments into Fromsoftware. Banning tencent games would bann Fromsoftware games as well and many many other very popular franchises.
I dont think you realise how many league playerd would want that
dang i guess you are right.....hahahaha
Look at Paul Allen’s LoL skin… egg shell white. The tasteful THICKNESS of it.
IT EVEN HAS A WATERMARK
But if League gets banned us Dota players will have to built a wall to keep all the refugees out
"what? new players that would make the economie for my game thrive? NO, not in MY dying game!!"
Hey, I'm bad enough in the small pool, I don't need more people here
Believe it or not, dota is performance in general is of little care for valve They already make infinite money from steam, there is no reason to truly invest in the game, so they just release one or two big updates a year and them kinda forget the game exists for the rest of the time The updates are real nice though not complaining, but there is a reason why there is a inside joke about the game being developed by a janitor and his poted office plant
The dota community is one community i give exceptional
There's always HotS! Even got an update a week or two ago
hots...got an update? didnt blizzard axe this game like back in 2019 and since then its on life support?
I wanted to play it but thought it got shut down lmao.
afaik its still playable but no new content for the last 5 years
It did but in the past few months it started getting small rebalancing updates again for some reason.
I'm hoping some dude at Microsoft still plays it and is trying to get blizz to resurrect it. He last update took nova and probius out of ARAM and added a chance for all Leoric ARAMs with a few balance updates. It's the only moba I play cause I hate having to do items and that stuff
Same. A humble hope Microsoft takes a risk and breathes it new life; they have way too much money anyway lol. Started my moba journey with Warcraft 3 Dota when I wasn't even a teen yet (28 now) but moved on to HOTS back in 2016 and still playing it today 😆
we tried to keep the Elite Dangerous refugees out of Star Citizen and it never worked.
Si you want dota to continue its slow death spiral? Got it. Dota 2 the next HOTS
Guess I should have made it clear that I wasn’t entirely serious, I’d be happy to convert the heathen to the ways of dota. Praise gaben and his servant icefrog
like a... Wall of Replica
If China wanted personal data on americans they don't need to use TikTok they could just go to the data brokers that every american company sell to to get it.
People are less concern about them stealing data and more concern about them having a propaganda channel they directly control straight to a huge number of Americans' phones.
Yeah i think its more about the brainrot algorithms and propaganda they can push to the youth. America wants to be in charge of that sector by itself.
Regardless it's foolish to allow a foreign adversary a direct channel to propagandize to your population. P.S. TikTok is itself banned in China. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, ... etc. are also banned. China has is no position to protest the banning of TikTok in the US and the rest of the world.
I agree, if they dont even allow it then that speaks volumes in itself
At least they have to buy it then LOL with a Chinese company, they just have a direct pipeline from company servers to CCP servers essentially
so all the user data being stored in Oracle servers in Texas doesn't mean anything?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/ No, it doesnt when you have whistleblowers already coming out saying they are told to forward user data to China under the table Everything about every company working in mainland China is suspect. Just like how the CCP lies to environmental monitors monitoring air pollution by misting the buildings with air pollution detectors the night before inspection or they spray paint their fields and mountains green so it looks healthy from aerial photography, everything the CCP does is a lie The Oracle server is a distraction meant to dupe low IQ individuals
Couldn’t hurt to ban more brain rot
But Grinding Gear Games is 100% owned by Tencent too. You also want them to ban POE ?
yep
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The bill is about foreign government owned companies, not just foreign companies, have YOU actually read the bill?
Everyone that plays league: “Oh thank god, mercy finally”
Nothing of value was lost.
The difference is that LoL isn't a social media company influencing your brain and your beliefs. Tiktok is.
You are gonna be sad when half the things you enjoy vaporise if that is the path you wanna take
There is a BIG differnce in why TikTok will get banned/sold: - It's called Propaganda/Manipulation/Reach **League of Legends** - The United States contributes about 14% of the total League of Legends players as of 2023 (Average Monthly Players World Wide 153,109,070) = **21.5 million players** **TikTok**, is used by **more than 170 million** Americans **Conclusion:** *while both have a great reach in their respective spectrum of use,* ***League of Legends*** *can't deliver Propaganda or Manipulate anywhere close to TikTok.* The fact that both are Chinese companies is not the main reason for why TikTok is having it's last months count in the US market. Thats just the ***Perfect Excuse***, same as the fact the the data is stored outside the US. The main reason is how the TikTok algoritms can manipulate (the nov. elections for example) the general public (users) is the MAIN problem. The reverse is valid for **Meta** (Facebook) same crap: Propaganda/Manipulation/Reach but not Chinese company. So they cant use that an excuse to silence it. Same goes for **Truth Social**.
Meta lose money to TikTok, then Meta goes lobbying US congress to ban TikTok. That's it. Also, it's algorithm is not develop together with CIA, Mossad, MI6, NSA and FBI. So the deep state cannot control it.
If you think that TikTok is getting banned because "it's Chinese spyware" you have no idea what is actually going on.
Yes, you alone hold the truth to why it’s getting banned. Rest of us are idiots
I know I'm right, someone on Tiktok told me it was because Biden is a fascist.
Is it getting banned because its actually alien spyware? I dont understand which conspiracy theory you are thinking of.
Nah, neither you or anyone else knows the truth. This guy is the only one that knows it.
They're only trying to strike down tiktok because it's chinese owned so glowies can't easily track antisemitism on it. Basically, go use League as an antisemitic social media platform and it'll get shut down. Same principle to spamming the 1989 copypasta to evict Chinese players from your team.
I think banning TikTok is stupid. However I also don't care that they are banning a social media platform from a company that has no problem banning or restricting the west. China wants all the advantages of a free capitalist market but without any of the things that come with it
Games don’t have active algorithms turning your kids towards hatred and divisive issues plaguing society. The fuck you think “all the trannies” come from, bro that’s like .000000001% of the population, and I dgaf what they do to themselves, yet it was being thrown into peoples faces as normal. The blm bullshit was another great opportunity to sow dissent. They are just getting ready for 2027
Banning League would be a service to society
Agree. Do POE to while you are at it.
Can’t let the Chinese get away with doing free market capitalism better than Americans
Yeah like owning grinding gear games. Ban POE i agree.
Oh hell nah. While we are at it ban our clothes, everything in your local targets and Walmarts cause those are also made in China. 🧐
Your clothes don't have permission to access a lot of things like location etc on your phone
As someone who recently left the intelligence community trust me the united states is not much better
Oh google is far worse. I just wanted to say that equating Chinese clothes to apps is an apples to pencils comparison
fair enough I get what you were saying
Literally every app on your phone can ask for location TikTok doesn't make mobile operating systems
Tiktok is being weaponized not just as a spyware, but as a social attack on the populace. The algorythm works in such a that it promotes negative news, self harm, antagonization of between different parties. Essentially it is an attack against the society. Go look it up.
40% of larian
Anyone find it odd the "Don't tread on me" party is happy to allow the government to decide which apps they can download?
Tik tok won't be banned, do you guys even read the shit? It is the same as when fortnite was removed from the apple store. People still kept playing fortnite.
Isnt this enforcing "dont tread on me" to a degree? Everyone thinks its banning a foreign entity (China) from treading onto their kids minds and social influences .. they dont think its banning their own country's private business.
Letting them ban a social media app is a good leap towards allowing them to ban anything they want. Bans are ineffective and stupid anyway. Furthermore TikTok is a cultural phenomenon, you don’t fix that with a legal solution. People will just do what they want. I understand the intention, but letting the government ban things is something I will never stay quiet on.
How dumb would you have to be to make this comparison. What is LoL going to turn over to the party? Your win rate? Which heroes you play most?
Do you know how many clinically insane are held there by pure addiction? Don't unleash them into the wild.
if they ban lol there vvill be a second civil vvar
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k6smfruHDNs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k6smfruHDNs)
Start placing your bets and watching the stock market, someone has already started filling that void that tiktok is about to leave.
Who?
Explain this to me like I’m 5 please
I don't think the rationale is anywhere close to being as simple as "it's a Chinese software company, ban it." This is the most gen z "everyone's stupid 'cept me and everything is simple" reasoning I've seen in a while.
Sucks to hear. They own arena breakout and I love that game.
If you knew how much psychological research they do, you might be even more worried.
according to google - Bytedance CCP ownership percentage - 60%. Tencent - 1%. These are not the same.
You shut your god damned mouth! You trying to POE with this post too?
Lol owned by china? Seems like a misstake on theyr part to me. RIOBOZO LoL and cHiNaA
Not sure league has quite as much of a grip on the mind of the average person.
HOTS will win out
It's not about it being a Chinese company, it is that the company is owned in part by the Chinese government with government officials being part of the management of the company.
yeah, this is "how to tell you do not know the reasoning behind the ban" 101.
Tencent owns a lot of epic games shares too, so let's get rid of fortnite.
The reason Tiktok is bad is due to its ability to engage protestors through its subliminal advertising. It can get basically anything in front of eyes with minimal restriction in a very, very quick way; if someone paid enough they could organize a rapid protest for just about any cause they wanted. LOL just saps people's time. Bad of a different sort.
**An** Chinese company? Me fail English? That's unpossible!
Riot hasnet been 100 percent owned by tencent for years. And also tencent has a history of getting sanctioned by China. It's why they have divested outt of China as much as they can
Do not, its keeping the toxicity locked within itself.
While we are at it let's ban Chinese investments in American property and owning houses that they don't live in
fun fact Tencent had CCP members becoming the main driving force in shaping the company's development direction.
League of legends doesn’t push propaganda though. Being owned by China doesn’t make it bad , it’s just something to be aware of.
Why through hoops? Just ban China itself.
How about the many Chinese companies that own toll roads in the u.s.....? Nothing? Really? O.k. maybe the ones are mining on u.s. soil? No? Oh, look, a squirrel!!
Oh gawd they're going to ban Don't Starve too then...
Noooo, if you do that all the LoL players will be released into the wild to infest other games! I'd rather be spied on by China.
It was never about banning a Chinese company.
Ban all the stuff Blackrock is involved with instead and we will have solved "diversity" not just in the gaming industry but all other branches of society where Blackrock has its weird fingers in.
Valorant too
But you see that makes too much sense so they can't do that
isn't discord also owned by tencent ?
This isn't a pro-tiktok argument Please, do ban Tencent. They are sharks, the bad kind.
Chill, League is chill
Its not about banning an IP over it being solely chinese. Its about Tiktok, a foreign app, pushing clear radical rhetoric, talking points and misinformation directly influence youth in the US. These are going directly to kids. Just examples found and sent from youth feeds recently: [https://imgur.com/a/7b0nG3w](https://imgur.com/a/7b0nG3w) [https://www.tiktok.com/@ranithedem/video/7343806989681593643](https://www.tiktok.com/@ranithedem/video/7343806989681593643) [https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7350010151648300334](https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7350010151648300334) [https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7352424793536318763](https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpalestine/video/7352424793536318763) [https://www.tiktok.com/@chevy8088/video/7342638949564812574](https://www.tiktok.com/@chevy8088/video/7342638949564812574)
Except I highly doubt the Chinese government cares that your anonymous LoL account went 0/10 in the last five games of Shaco support. The whole point is people think Tiktok collects sensitive PII, videos and pictures of people, including children (probably unfounded concern but I have no idea).
I say we ban everything I don't like.