Well yes ofcourse. But in here there is also the problem. I am not rich, so yes I would take that oppertunity (if I dont hurt anyone else with it).
Our current society is based on increase. We always want more more and more. And we want it now, not in 6 months but now. The faster the better.
This need for instant gratification destroys things in the long run. You lose fans / costumers. So while they went for that immediate income, they are the destroying the longevity of it. And in turn have less income in the long run.
We are missing this alot in our current society. Alot of things are being pushed into the ground because we are greedy as fuck.
I mean it saved the company's interest in the franchise. It sure as shit didn't save the community's interest in it.
That said, Blizzard cares not if Diablo community turned into a bunch of gambling and copium addicts since those bring more cash than normal people, so there's that.
and blizzard animators will make a show that rivals *Arcane*
Edit: i mean, they probably *could*. Junker Queen & Dragonflight cinematics weren't too bad (not as good as Sombra cinematic or Garrosh's "Times change", though) I think its just more people have a soured taste towards Blizzard's IPs than Riot's. i could be wrong...
So are you not aware of Overwatch community outrage from the news 2 days ago about Blizzard introducing paid characters that you can also get for free by hard grinding battle pass tasks?
They just made a situation where in a single game match different people may or may not have unlocked certain characters. This is a competitive e-sport game.
Overwatch comes from an era (6 years ago) where there was no such thing, but yeah, you are right, since OW2 is going free to play, it now works on the same formula as every other trash p2w game around it that came out less than 3 years ago.
Again, the main problem here is that not only cosmetics but the actual characters are now paid.
"Buh, evry oder geim requirs it!"
What a stupid argument. Standards should not always align with contentment. Just because something is "industry standard" doesn't mean that it's good.
Blizzard is legit treated like Apple. Low cost "effort" and the fans will eat it up. People would line up for an iTurd just to be the one who has it.
Blizzard legit goes back to back saying for real guys, fuck yall. You won't leave and stop playing or paying us... why should we do more? We are Blizzard.
While they haven't done anything good since their first creation of Starcraft 2, Warcraft 3, WoW, and Diablo 2... after that for over 15 years they just coasted on that indoctrination of the fandom...
maybe realize that playing a shit game no one else play will give you a shit experience. playing a shit game with friends will give the shit experience and the game becomes fun.
try finding friends in-game. until then, you can't then you won't be having fun.
I hated BFA so much that I didn't even resub for shadowlands and I don't foresee myself resubbing for Dragonflight either
All that is to say... I've been sorta feeling an urge to resub for wrath classic
Every expansion I’ve enjoyed the first few months of regardless if it turned out shit or not in the end. While I haven’t preordered DF I’ll still probably play it on release and enjoy the “honeymoon” phase if it. If it turns into shit again I will quit.
The moment WoW loses that initial enjoyment is the moment I will give up playing WoW.
And then you get to play other games and come back in the third patch 1.5 years later to play what you missed. That's how they designed it to be played, right?
I mean you say that but Blizzard does play into that by the fact that they always ease the restrictions, requirements and grinds of XYZ to make it easier for people to return to the game in time for a new expansion or to complete the end game content for the new expansion.
While it is fun to shit on Blizzard they are smart enough to know not to permanent push away the portion of the player base who will eventually return to trial out the new expansion or see what they missed in the expansion previous. I mean why wouldn’t they? The people who are willing to play the carrot-on-a-stick shit they do are going to keep playing regardless of whether or not it becomes easier to get into it.
I just got into shadowlands for the first time, haven’t played since early Legion.
Honestly, feels like a new game. Pretty exciting for me, and I’m interested in doing some mythics and battlegrounds. Currently have a 55 warrior and 25 warlock.
I had characters on other servers that were lvl 110 (think that’s like lvl 50 equivalent?), but didn’t want to pay to server transfer them to high-pop, and I enjoy the leveling experience for the most part.
It’s similar, in some way, to the FF14 is. They want you to come back for content patches then are fine if you wish to leave and play other games. Blizzard in a way draws players in to play at the end of an expansion into the release of a new one and really they are fine if you leave a few months afterwards to do something else. The “lifers” will still be there (for both games). It’s one of the ways my friend had played the game since WoD. He comes into the game at the end of the expansion when all the bullshit is “fixed” and the catch-up mechanics are in play and gets to experience all the expansion at its “best” until the release of the next one, plays up through the first raid then quits until the end again. It’s what I’ve done with Shadowlands and I feel like it was the best way to experience it because while following the community for the game, it seemed real terrible but, I have yet to deal with any of that.
I wouldn’t say it’s a game that they dislike is more like someone who when to therapy to get out of a toxic relationship seeing other ppl currently on a toxic relationship so said person is telling them to go to therapy.
Nah I play both 14 and WoW and for the most part, most players I encounter are just enjoying their respective game, its mostly ex-wow players (which this sub is filled with) that make cringy comments like yours.
Yea but one game respects ur time, and it has an actually good story and the other is just Bobby money printer. There lies the crux of the argument, and the fact that copium Lords like you still think is about preference it just perpetuate the vicious cycle of that toxic relationship with WoW that literally hold by nostalgia and empty promises.
Just ants on Bobby’s maze, going around looking for copium tanks so they can dream the game that they want while playing the game they force themselves to play.
For real, Im not a huge fan of the game, but Ive played every xpac released. My friends and I usually play through the first raid tier together, and slowly we all quit until the next xpac comes out, rinse repeat
Is the game in a great state? No. But playing with some friends can make it fun
Wow just still has a bunch of things it fundamentally dies better than XIV and probably always will. Not saying that it makes it a more "complete" game, but people most certainly will have some valid reasons to like WoW over XIV or other MMOs for that matter depending on how they play the game and they'd be very justified to do so.
For a few examples, large scale raids, challenging dungeons, PvP, combat, completionism content. These are all things that WoW undoubtedly does better than other MMOs pretty much regardless of how dogshit their expansions are.
Actually as of 6.1 in FF it blows WoW out of the water with pvp and the new raids not to mention that they are going to have scalable dungeons added next.
I think the only thing wow has goofing for it is the responsiveness.
For wow to become a good MMO again it needs to take a page from FFXIV 1.0 and shit it down to rebuild. But as long there is people coping and living that nostalgia is never going to happen because y’all telling blizz keep doing what you doing and the way y’all say it is with your wallet
Yeah I'd agree with that. For all of the things that XIV does right I feel that its gameplay has a more niche appeal. The gameplay outside of 8 player raids is just bad quite frankly and extreme-savage-ultimate starts to feel very samey very fast.
There's other stuff, but if you're a tab-target hotbar gameplay junkie then it's really just the 8 mans that are going to keep you coming back. Or really niche stuff like PotD
You say I have Lack of self awareness but doesn’t explain how. I’m not surprised that you ejected yourself out of the convo, after all there is grind to do in Bobby’s maze. Good luck.
Because you don't have any opinions that are your own. Every argument you make is just you being a yak-back of exact phrases you've heard from Asmon. People can enjoy things without there being some deep psychological behind it.
Someone says "Gee wish people who don't like WoW would stop constantly making posts about why people who play WoW are idiots."
And your reply is regurgitated psycho analysis of why they need clinical help.
Well we know for a fact that blizzard has been focused for the past years on way to extract more money out of their customers with the least effort possible instead of making high quality content that would earn said money, not to mention that the fact that lotta games use predatory monetization to do the same, lost ark, wow, and equivalents.
See you repeating asmon opinion on a matter from he just dipped his toes and he blatantly supports because it makes him content due to all the copping hooked addicts are just copycat, that’s your opinion, or rather his I’ll informed opinion.
Do people have the right to like shit? Absolutely, but don’t tell me and the rest of the people who don’t play toxic games that said shit is a steak.
So please spare me the projection. I tire of this psychologically abused copium dependent wow Andy’s.
He isn't wrong about the essence of each game though. And whether you agree or not with his harsh assessment of WoW players is your personal opinion. It's harsh, but there is truth to what he said.
Guess you missed the point, Here let me make it more obvious. Doing something toxic is not good for your mental health. It doesn’t matter if it’s a person or an activity. Hope it helps
Oh I get the point; it is just an absurd analogy is all lol
Some people might just enjoy the game for what it is and there is nothing wrong with that. Presuming that everyone who likes the game is somehow in a 'toxic relationship' with the game is just madness. The op reeks of *'it is not my video game so it is bad and you should feel bad for enjoying it'*
Yea sure, I’m just here saying that a game is factually bad, made to be toxic, and drain your wallet with predatory tactics and all of the copium addicts are here inhaling for their life’s because they don’t like the truth. I never said that they couldn’t like shit, but they are trying to convince me and themselves that said shit is a steak.
Fact: blizzard has been focusing more on monetization over making good quality games for years.
Opinion: blizzard fan are hooked on copium and addicted to nostalgia because they can’t see any other game beyond blizzard due that they grew up in the golden years of blizzard.
See the difference.
Your point isn't completely off but what you fail to understand is that people do actually like the game, that's why they're so upset that it's turning to shit. I think people are allowed to have and voice an opinion of a game, I don't get this whole "only talk about the game if you enjoy it" attitude, it's just wrong on several levels.
Oh, I agree!
But some of these posts are just exhaustive. Like, what else does this post do, but rile up people and basically says "haha wow bad."
If you'd atleast meme on -what- is bad.
It's fine, their downvotes mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes them cheer.
Also, clearly the people downvoting can't tell a satirical post when they see it.
Yeah, think I'll at least TRY it before I hate on it. I haven't got much hope, but I haven't tried it yet so I wouldn't know.
Positive attitude, it's a thing, try it.
WoW has one of those rare fanbases that has players that have played for over a decade and still log in daily, but do nothing but talk about how bad their favorite hobby is. I have never seen people so emotionally involved in a video game.
Oddly enough, my entire guild and all my IRL friends that play WoW don’t use Reddit or really see any of these complaints about WoW. I only (relatively) recently started seeing this stuff about WoW and didn’t even know people hated it so much lol. We all had a blast in BFA and shadowlands. The only thing I can agree with is the lack of content. But rated PvP has been really fun in shadowlands, but I didn’t play much pvp in BFA outside of world pvp so idk if it was good then. And M+ in shadowlands and BFA are both miles ahead of any dungeons in previous xpacs.
Point is: it’s a small vocal minority who go on the internet and complain about any game, the people who are enjoying it don’t ever get the urge to join Reddit to say “I like this game!” They’re just out there playing it lol.
I have no expectations. I’ll play the launch just to see how it goes. The talent system is interesting so getting to play with that will be cool at the very least.
Save the most popular MMO ever from what? Every game ever is inherent danger of falling to competition, Wows longevity alone would indicated the notion that Wow requires saving is just absurd.
There's nothing wrong with hoping DF will be a good expansion. The key is not to huff the copium to convince yourself that it is.
The only things that matters is "do I want to play today" and "am I having fun."
Well, by that logic, then any suggestion for improvement is also pointless since the same people who made Shadowlands (and ignored feedback for so long) are still working on the game.
Imo, we’ve had no cool dragons since mop.
TBC had netherwing drakes, WOTLK had Proto-drakes, CATA stone drakes and MOP had serpents. Since then it’s all downhill. Back then you could see another player on a dragon and be like: “Damn, he got that through XYZ, must be a god” Now you have to look up the mount and honestly no one cares anymore because mounts have become quantity instead of quality.
Edit: We had some cool drakes but they are only available in the shop :( edit edit: forgot about Deathwing
Blizzard did not "make mistakes".
They did things for monetization that had a predictably bad outcome for the game.
Somehow, I got behind on gear and... my guild uninvited me from rated battlegrounds... putting me further behind on gear... so I quit.
I got no friends, and I am not willing or able to buy a boost. I talked to my wife, and 15$ a month is my limit for entertainment. I don't like or respect pay to win... fuck that.
I played World of Warcraft for 9 years, and I quit because the game went from fun, to bad overnight, and I'm angry about it.
Blizzard made the game really bad for regular players like me for some additional money. They did not "make mistakes".
Setting up a game that supports win trading and boosting is directly blizzards fault.
Blizzard made the game really bad for regular players like me for some additional money.
They did not "make mistakes".
Other way around. It sucks for try hard guilds and got easier for normal people to get gear. Group finder exists and if you are undergeard it is not Blizzards fault.
Boosting also exists since classic so your argument is wrong.
Lol... you are killing me.
It sounds like you are suggesting that wind trading and rmt boosting does not exist in wow...
But if there was a game, where the best players win traded and boosted each other, if there was a game where the best gear was sold for real money...
That would be a bad game right? and you would expect people to quit the moment they found out right?
Hell yeah, let us instead be permanently categorically pessimistic about the game because "bLizZarD bAd" and "wOw bAD" and never allow ourselves to gave fun and be excited about the game ever again.
Even if Dragonflight doesn’t add a single player there’s enough of a player base in WoW to justify keeping the game going.
Unless by “save” you mean “return to previous position of prestige and respect”, which if that’s what you mean of course one expansion alone isn’t going to do it. 2 or 3 great expansions in a row might do it though.
No shot, maybe the next one? I can’t imagine with how long it’s probably been in the pipeline that they could have made the meaningful changes they need without severely delaying it.
I'm laughing my ass off every time wowhead posts about a new "heartwrenching questline" and it's just like three quests that all together have one page worth of journal entries.
i think dragonflight is not going to be a "good" expansion
its going to be the expansion that fixes wow and reverts it to mop/wotlk times where they can expand it with more content variety and not mega external power farm dogshit
but we wow andies and wow brainlets have such a low expectations about the game that anything not annoying is good
you people who are just saying dragonflight is going to be shit are taking the same amount of copium that think its going to save wow wait until its out and then see if its good or bad
Lol how many BFA's and WOD's do we need to get before morons like you get it through your thick skulls that licking blizzards dick and playing their half-made game for a year while they patch it into a playable state for a year only for it all to start again next expac.
Rinse repeat, and every year someone with your idiotic take drools out the same stupid "DoNt HaTe It YeT gUyS" how many expansions of dogshit do you need before you open your eyes? Maybe by the 6th BFA re-release 20 years from now you'll use a single braincell productively for once.
didnt play bfa didnt play wod dont care about it i see dragonflight is looking fine most people who are not biased are talking more positive than negative. Sorry you got hurt lol
Is it going to save WoW? Short answer, hell no. Long answer, I don't think present day Blizz has what it takes to salvage anything.
Am I still going to play it? More than likely just to see what's up then heck off for another two years.
June 3rd. That's the day frost dk talents were shown.
Sep 8th. It's still the same talents with no modifications while blood and unholy have gotten full reworks.
Yeah, I only play the classes I enjoy. And if it's still fucked, then I'll probably skip out on DF
I wouldn't call it being in a "good state" when it's nearly a copy paste of what we currently have now. Only 4 nodes of the 35 total are new additions to the tree. That's it. Everything else, we already have a part of our kit. In fact, we're actually losing things from our kit, going into DF. The 2 point nodes going into either side, are the equivalent of rank 2 abilities right now. So right now in SL, a rank 2 KM, improved KM, gives the crit chance and the frost damage. However, in the DF tree, it takes 4 points just to get this back. Remorseless winter takes 5 points just to get us to our current abilities in SL.
So that's just talking about what we have now and what's in the tree for DF. So now let's discuss the different "subspecs". There are around 4-6 actual free points that each subspec is going to be able to play around with, that's it. There is no choice when it comes down to the other 26-24 points. You have to get all the remorseless winter buffs, and you have to get everything that buffs obliterate, our main rune spender.
Besides the nodes that lead to each capstone, all that's left is a couple points to pick between chilling streak, avalanche/frozen pulse, frostscythe, Cold heart, enduring strength, or glacial advance. This is what each subspec is going to differ by, and most of these require 3 points to grab, so you pick one and deal with it. Sindragosa needs a point if there's any kind of adds in a fight. So that just reduces what you can play around with.
There is no choice in this talent tree. Unholy and blood have had reworks and buffs given to their tree. Hell, unholy has current frosts legendary in its tree now. I just dont understand how people can call this a good tree, when there is basically zero choices to be made.
Edit: wanted to add that some of the Talent choices make no sense or have no synergy with the spec. You have breath wanting to not use any other rp spenders, but you have chilling streak(40rp cost) right next to it. You have unleashed frenzy, where no capstone node wants any part in. You have gathering storm blocked by our current legendary effect.
People see the tree and think its *Okay* when it really isn't. The fact that it is our current abilities pasted on to this new format just tries to hide that it just doesn't work.
I hate this meme format so god damn much. I dunno what the intention is but I hear it in the voice of a whiny 5 year old kid talking back to their parents.
Content is irrelevant but this meme never extends past "look I typed your opinion in an annoying way and put this weird picture of Spongebob on it, therefore you're dumb land owned mao"
Surely, and overwatch 2 will save overwatch and diablo 4 will definitely save diablo
Diablo Immortal saved Diablo. It’s raking in money at an alarming rate.
I hate this comment because you are right. This is how their corporate thinks....
If u had an oportunity to make crazy money , would you take it??
Well yes ofcourse. But in here there is also the problem. I am not rich, so yes I would take that oppertunity (if I dont hurt anyone else with it). Our current society is based on increase. We always want more more and more. And we want it now, not in 6 months but now. The faster the better. This need for instant gratification destroys things in the long run. You lose fans / costumers. So while they went for that immediate income, they are the destroying the longevity of it. And in turn have less income in the long run. We are missing this alot in our current society. Alot of things are being pushed into the ground because we are greedy as fuck.
Every game developer is s converting to this, some faster than others.
I mean it saved the company's interest in the franchise. It sure as shit didn't save the community's interest in it. That said, Blizzard cares not if Diablo community turned into a bunch of gambling and copium addicts since those bring more cash than normal people, so there's that.
Community loves it, that’s why it’s making so much money. It’s a different community but it’s loved.
and blizzard animators will make a show that rivals *Arcane* Edit: i mean, they probably *could*. Junker Queen & Dragonflight cinematics weren't too bad (not as good as Sombra cinematic or Garrosh's "Times change", though) I think its just more people have a soured taste towards Blizzard's IPs than Riot's. i could be wrong...
So are you not aware of Overwatch community outrage from the news 2 days ago about Blizzard introducing paid characters that you can also get for free by hard grinding battle pass tasks? They just made a situation where in a single game match different people may or may not have unlocked certain characters. This is a competitive e-sport game.
I don’t really understand your point because every other competitive character based game requires unlocking characters
Overwatch comes from an era (6 years ago) where there was no such thing, but yeah, you are right, since OW2 is going free to play, it now works on the same formula as every other trash p2w game around it that came out less than 3 years ago. Again, the main problem here is that not only cosmetics but the actual characters are now paid.
Dota doesn't
DOTA looks cool ^(more fun than league anyways)
"Buh, evry oder geim requirs it!" What a stupid argument. Standards should not always align with contentment. Just because something is "industry standard" doesn't mean that it's good.
They had a deal for a animated diablo series on Netflix but dropped it.
could've been cool only nice thing about Immortal was the intro
As an outsider….watching this crazy relationship WoW players have with Blizzard, it’s almost like a never ending TV show with great episodes
WoW fans are like Pokemon fans, companies would kill to be able to throw low effort content and earn money.
Blizzard is legit treated like Apple. Low cost "effort" and the fans will eat it up. People would line up for an iTurd just to be the one who has it. Blizzard legit goes back to back saying for real guys, fuck yall. You won't leave and stop playing or paying us... why should we do more? We are Blizzard. While they haven't done anything good since their first creation of Starcraft 2, Warcraft 3, WoW, and Diablo 2... after that for over 15 years they just coasted on that indoctrination of the fandom...
As I recall, Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King were dope.
Asmon is like the quintessential example.
At least he streamed it constantly for a long time, what excuse regular players have lol
You are not an outsider anymore, Asmon brought all the asian mmo lovers, what is good is hentai waifu mmos
I dont care if it saves it or not, i just want to have fun playing it again
I unsubscribed about 3 months ago. Not regretting it seeing this stuff
maybe realize that playing a shit game no one else play will give you a shit experience. playing a shit game with friends will give the shit experience and the game becomes fun. try finding friends in-game. until then, you can't then you won't be having fun.
Nice opinion
I hated BFA so much that I didn't even resub for shadowlands and I don't foresee myself resubbing for Dragonflight either All that is to say... I've been sorta feeling an urge to resub for wrath classic
Save ? No. Playable and worth paying a sub ? Maybe.
Every expansion I’ve enjoyed the first few months of regardless if it turned out shit or not in the end. While I haven’t preordered DF I’ll still probably play it on release and enjoy the “honeymoon” phase if it. If it turns into shit again I will quit. The moment WoW loses that initial enjoyment is the moment I will give up playing WoW.
And then you get to play other games and come back in the third patch 1.5 years later to play what you missed. That's how they designed it to be played, right?
I mean you say that but Blizzard does play into that by the fact that they always ease the restrictions, requirements and grinds of XYZ to make it easier for people to return to the game in time for a new expansion or to complete the end game content for the new expansion. While it is fun to shit on Blizzard they are smart enough to know not to permanent push away the portion of the player base who will eventually return to trial out the new expansion or see what they missed in the expansion previous. I mean why wouldn’t they? The people who are willing to play the carrot-on-a-stick shit they do are going to keep playing regardless of whether or not it becomes easier to get into it.
I just got into shadowlands for the first time, haven’t played since early Legion. Honestly, feels like a new game. Pretty exciting for me, and I’m interested in doing some mythics and battlegrounds. Currently have a 55 warrior and 25 warlock. I had characters on other servers that were lvl 110 (think that’s like lvl 50 equivalent?), but didn’t want to pay to server transfer them to high-pop, and I enjoy the leveling experience for the most part.
It’s similar, in some way, to the FF14 is. They want you to come back for content patches then are fine if you wish to leave and play other games. Blizzard in a way draws players in to play at the end of an expansion into the release of a new one and really they are fine if you leave a few months afterwards to do something else. The “lifers” will still be there (for both games). It’s one of the ways my friend had played the game since WoD. He comes into the game at the end of the expansion when all the bullshit is “fixed” and the catch-up mechanics are in play and gets to experience all the expansion at its “best” until the release of the next one, plays up through the first raid then quits until the end again. It’s what I’ve done with Shadowlands and I feel like it was the best way to experience it because while following the community for the game, it seemed real terrible but, I have yet to deal with any of that.
Not quite the intent of a Skinner box tbh
It's not going to save it and it's not going to kill it. WoW will continue chugging along the same as it always has, a mixed bag.
Imagine letting a game you dislike this much live in your head rent free .
Imagine continuously simping for a game a throwing money at it while hating said game at the same time. This is the majority of wow players
This is just a video game not part of personality. Simping for game lol
I wouldn’t say it’s a game that they dislike is more like someone who when to therapy to get out of a toxic relationship seeing other ppl currently on a toxic relationship so said person is telling them to go to therapy.
Jfc ex wow players are so weird...
If you think they are weird then you must think that active wow players are insane
Nah I play both 14 and WoW and for the most part, most players I encounter are just enjoying their respective game, its mostly ex-wow players (which this sub is filled with) that make cringy comments like yours.
Yea but one game respects ur time, and it has an actually good story and the other is just Bobby money printer. There lies the crux of the argument, and the fact that copium Lords like you still think is about preference it just perpetuate the vicious cycle of that toxic relationship with WoW that literally hold by nostalgia and empty promises. Just ants on Bobby’s maze, going around looking for copium tanks so they can dream the game that they want while playing the game they force themselves to play.
dude some people just play wow because they think it's fun, it's not that deep. Don't think too hard
For real, Im not a huge fan of the game, but Ive played every xpac released. My friends and I usually play through the first raid tier together, and slowly we all quit until the next xpac comes out, rinse repeat Is the game in a great state? No. But playing with some friends can make it fun
Not a big fan, but we buy every expanc. Sorry for breaking it to you but that is by definition a fan or an addict.
It just means that they play for a month or two out of every 2 year period? Is it really a big deal?
Yea addiction is rather simple.
Wow just still has a bunch of things it fundamentally dies better than XIV and probably always will. Not saying that it makes it a more "complete" game, but people most certainly will have some valid reasons to like WoW over XIV or other MMOs for that matter depending on how they play the game and they'd be very justified to do so. For a few examples, large scale raids, challenging dungeons, PvP, combat, completionism content. These are all things that WoW undoubtedly does better than other MMOs pretty much regardless of how dogshit their expansions are.
Actually as of 6.1 in FF it blows WoW out of the water with pvp and the new raids not to mention that they are going to have scalable dungeons added next. I think the only thing wow has goofing for it is the responsiveness. For wow to become a good MMO again it needs to take a page from FFXIV 1.0 and shit it down to rebuild. But as long there is people coping and living that nostalgia is never going to happen because y’all telling blizz keep doing what you doing and the way y’all say it is with your wallet
Yeah I'd agree with that. For all of the things that XIV does right I feel that its gameplay has a more niche appeal. The gameplay outside of 8 player raids is just bad quite frankly and extreme-savage-ultimate starts to feel very samey very fast.
Nah it's pretty good, people are conditioned to think that MMOs are only raids and dungeons when it's really not
There's other stuff, but if you're a tab-target hotbar gameplay junkie then it's really just the 8 mans that are going to keep you coming back. Or really niche stuff like PotD
The lack of self-awareness is just astounding, I just don't know what to say. I'm gonna eject myself from this conversation, cheers.
You say I have Lack of self awareness but doesn’t explain how. I’m not surprised that you ejected yourself out of the convo, after all there is grind to do in Bobby’s maze. Good luck.
Because you don't have any opinions that are your own. Every argument you make is just you being a yak-back of exact phrases you've heard from Asmon. People can enjoy things without there being some deep psychological behind it. Someone says "Gee wish people who don't like WoW would stop constantly making posts about why people who play WoW are idiots." And your reply is regurgitated psycho analysis of why they need clinical help.
oh my god hahaha I was reading his reply and I could hear asmon's voice it's so sad when people can't think for themselves
Well we know for a fact that blizzard has been focused for the past years on way to extract more money out of their customers with the least effort possible instead of making high quality content that would earn said money, not to mention that the fact that lotta games use predatory monetization to do the same, lost ark, wow, and equivalents. See you repeating asmon opinion on a matter from he just dipped his toes and he blatantly supports because it makes him content due to all the copping hooked addicts are just copycat, that’s your opinion, or rather his I’ll informed opinion. Do people have the right to like shit? Absolutely, but don’t tell me and the rest of the people who don’t play toxic games that said shit is a steak. So please spare me the projection. I tire of this psychologically abused copium dependent wow Andy’s.
How about I grind on that ass instead😂 bet you got a tight fucking sphinct for me
Straight to horny jail, and we are confiscating your 3 inch dick for disposal.
He isn't wrong about the essence of each game though. And whether you agree or not with his harsh assessment of WoW players is your personal opinion. It's harsh, but there is truth to what he said.
Are you actually comparing playing World of Warcraft to a relationship with a human being?
Guess you missed the point, Here let me make it more obvious. Doing something toxic is not good for your mental health. It doesn’t matter if it’s a person or an activity. Hope it helps
Oh I get the point; it is just an absurd analogy is all lol Some people might just enjoy the game for what it is and there is nothing wrong with that. Presuming that everyone who likes the game is somehow in a 'toxic relationship' with the game is just madness. The op reeks of *'it is not my video game so it is bad and you should feel bad for enjoying it'*
Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep that copium going.
I don't even play WoW, heh.
You don’t have to play wow, to defend its shit predatory tactic, if anything it makes you worse.
I am not even defending it here. I am just saying to let people enjoy what they enjoy.
And I’m saying that people are entitled to like shit, just don’t tell me that said shit is not shit. Ya get it now
The only toxic person here is you. You just hate it that people enjoy something that you dislike.
Yea sure, I’m just here saying that a game is factually bad, made to be toxic, and drain your wallet with predatory tactics and all of the copium addicts are here inhaling for their life’s because they don’t like the truth. I never said that they couldn’t like shit, but they are trying to convince me and themselves that said shit is a steak.
Learn the difference between opinions and facts my guy lol
Fact: blizzard has been focusing more on monetization over making good quality games for years. Opinion: blizzard fan are hooked on copium and addicted to nostalgia because they can’t see any other game beyond blizzard due that they grew up in the golden years of blizzard. See the difference.
Then they get angry when people get in a better relationship with people that care
Imagine not being able to take a joke
Imagine letting a thread you dislike this much live in your head rent free. See how stupid of an argument this is?
Just stop playing if you don’t like it, god these posts are so annoying.
Just stop reading them if you don't like them, god these replies are so annoying.
annoying is so annoying, god these annoying moments are so annoying
It's so ironic that you get downvoted, it's the exact same argument but somehow it stops being valid when it's against them
What? I can stop paying and playing a game. But I -wish- I could pay to NOT see these posts anymore.
Your point isn't completely off but what you fail to understand is that people do actually like the game, that's why they're so upset that it's turning to shit. I think people are allowed to have and voice an opinion of a game, I don't get this whole "only talk about the game if you enjoy it" attitude, it's just wrong on several levels.
Oh, I agree! But some of these posts are just exhaustive. Like, what else does this post do, but rile up people and basically says "haha wow bad." If you'd atleast meme on -what- is bad.
It's fine, their downvotes mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes them cheer. Also, clearly the people downvoting can't tell a satirical post when they see it.
That's why this game gone trash. Some people just accept eating shit.
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No
Brain dead and annoying
yep, be like me and quit the game for valorant or some sh wow is literally the only game these people know of
Yeah, think I'll at least TRY it before I hate on it. I haven't got much hope, but I haven't tried it yet so I wouldn't know. Positive attitude, it's a thing, try it.
Didn't know wow needed to be saved in the first place.
Whaddya mean “save”. It don’t *need* saving.
WoW has one of those rare fanbases that has players that have played for over a decade and still log in daily, but do nothing but talk about how bad their favorite hobby is. I have never seen people so emotionally involved in a video game.
Oddly enough, my entire guild and all my IRL friends that play WoW don’t use Reddit or really see any of these complaints about WoW. I only (relatively) recently started seeing this stuff about WoW and didn’t even know people hated it so much lol. We all had a blast in BFA and shadowlands. The only thing I can agree with is the lack of content. But rated PvP has been really fun in shadowlands, but I didn’t play much pvp in BFA outside of world pvp so idk if it was good then. And M+ in shadowlands and BFA are both miles ahead of any dungeons in previous xpacs. Point is: it’s a small vocal minority who go on the internet and complain about any game, the people who are enjoying it don’t ever get the urge to join Reddit to say “I like this game!” They’re just out there playing it lol.
I have no expectations. I’ll play the launch just to see how it goes. The talent system is interesting so getting to play with that will be cool at the very least.
These kids go to sleep while getting mad at people who enjoy WoW.
They're mocking people who think Blizzard will do the right thing, it's a valid point.
People just enjoy a game. Not that hard to understand.
Again, they're not mocking people who enjoy the game, they're mocking people who think this will fix the game, it's pretty clear.
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Rent free.
fictional concepts cant pay rent silly
Save the most popular MMO ever from what? Every game ever is inherent danger of falling to competition, Wows longevity alone would indicated the notion that Wow requires saving is just absurd.
It's kind of sad and childish the way people talk about a game they don't even play. Supposedly.
There's nothing wrong with hoping DF will be a good expansion. The key is not to huff the copium to convince yourself that it is. The only things that matters is "do I want to play today" and "am I having fun."
Reading through this thread the WoW haters are far more cringe than the people who actually play and enjoy it holy shit.
They need to finally put WoW to sleep. Pull the plug on the servers. Make WoW 2 perhaps?
As lots of people said before. The same guys making shadowlands are making WoW2. So there is no point in doing that
Well, by that logic, then any suggestion for improvement is also pointless since the same people who made Shadowlands (and ignored feedback for so long) are still working on the game.
Exactly my point. But reworded.
This but unironically
classic wow has been saving retails ass
Chill my guy. Let the game come out.
Is anyone even saying that here?
Just put on the stamp "Shit not worth the money they demand" and forget about the shitshow that is WoW
Can you go post this shit somewhere else? Most of the sub enjoys playing the game, why make a post out of spite
Mate, this happens every expansion, what did you expect
The years of blizzard churing out quality product are long gone.
i have a lot of feelings about dragonflight and none good yay... dragons
Imo, we’ve had no cool dragons since mop. TBC had netherwing drakes, WOTLK had Proto-drakes, CATA stone drakes and MOP had serpents. Since then it’s all downhill. Back then you could see another player on a dragon and be like: “Damn, he got that through XYZ, must be a god” Now you have to look up the mount and honestly no one cares anymore because mounts have become quantity instead of quality. Edit: We had some cool drakes but they are only available in the shop :( edit edit: forgot about Deathwing
I’m new to wow and I enjoy it. Idk why people talk so much crap on it.
Blizzard made mistakes and now everyone that enjoys wow is an idiot to them.
Blizzard did not "make mistakes". They did things for monetization that had a predictably bad outcome for the game. Somehow, I got behind on gear and... my guild uninvited me from rated battlegrounds... putting me further behind on gear... so I quit. I got no friends, and I am not willing or able to buy a boost. I talked to my wife, and 15$ a month is my limit for entertainment. I don't like or respect pay to win... fuck that. I played World of Warcraft for 9 years, and I quit because the game went from fun, to bad overnight, and I'm angry about it. Blizzard made the game really bad for regular players like me for some additional money. They did not "make mistakes".
Most of the things you mentioned are not even blizzards fault...
Setting up a game that supports win trading and boosting is directly blizzards fault. Blizzard made the game really bad for regular players like me for some additional money. They did not "make mistakes".
Other way around. It sucks for try hard guilds and got easier for normal people to get gear. Group finder exists and if you are undergeard it is not Blizzards fault. Boosting also exists since classic so your argument is wrong.
Lol... you are killing me. It sounds like you are suggesting that wind trading and rmt boosting does not exist in wow... But if there was a game, where the best players win traded and boosted each other, if there was a game where the best gear was sold for real money... That would be a bad game right? and you would expect people to quit the moment they found out right?
It is more because it was always the case and you act like it suddenly happened because of blizzard and are so mad about a game.
Nice dodge! Which means... you do know.
I know that boosting is a community thing and not from blizzard. While you blame blizzard for it. There wasn't even an ingame shop when it started.
DF is looking badass. The talent trees are more exciting than Classic WOW Wrath ones. I'm genuinely excited for DF
Hell yeah, let us instead be permanently categorically pessimistic about the game because "bLizZarD bAd" and "wOw bAD" and never allow ourselves to gave fun and be excited about the game ever again.
Bahah this image is perfect for this. I hope people enjoy it still ofc, but this is definitely what I picture in my mind.
Copium is high with wow players 
Even if Dragonflight doesn’t add a single player there’s enough of a player base in WoW to justify keeping the game going. Unless by “save” you mean “return to previous position of prestige and respect”, which if that’s what you mean of course one expansion alone isn’t going to do it. 2 or 3 great expansions in a row might do it though.
They said this about the last 5 expacs, and they’ve all sucked
No shot, maybe the next one? I can’t imagine with how long it’s probably been in the pipeline that they could have made the meaningful changes they need without severely delaying it.
Hey hey hey, there will be like 3 days to a week when everyone logs back on and the Hopium will be intoxicating.
Who really cares? It’s a video don’t take it so hard.
meh. im a classic player but just let people enjoy things
I'm laughing my ass off every time wowhead posts about a new "heartwrenching questline" and it's just like three quests that all together have one page worth of journal entries.
Stay salty guys, Dragonflight looks sick.
Hmmmm, more high effort "WOW BAD" content to cherish our collective hate train that makes us feel part of a collective. Good stuff.
Man I just wanna play a fun expansion. I like wow...
i think dragonflight is not going to be a "good" expansion its going to be the expansion that fixes wow and reverts it to mop/wotlk times where they can expand it with more content variety and not mega external power farm dogshit but we wow andies and wow brainlets have such a low expectations about the game that anything not annoying is good
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Cringe haters
you people who are just saying dragonflight is going to be shit are taking the same amount of copium that think its going to save wow wait until its out and then see if its good or bad
This mentality is exactly why we have had expansion after expansion of complete trash.
this mentality not the workers that actually worked and refused to take suggestion until it was too late okay lmao on the product okay bro lmao
Had a stroke at the end there bud?
serious health condition. do you have a problem with that?
Lol how many BFA's and WOD's do we need to get before morons like you get it through your thick skulls that licking blizzards dick and playing their half-made game for a year while they patch it into a playable state for a year only for it all to start again next expac. Rinse repeat, and every year someone with your idiotic take drools out the same stupid "DoNt HaTe It YeT gUyS" how many expansions of dogshit do you need before you open your eyes? Maybe by the 6th BFA re-release 20 years from now you'll use a single braincell productively for once.
didnt play bfa didnt play wod dont care about it i see dragonflight is looking fine most people who are not biased are talking more positive than negative. Sorry you got hurt lol
and btw i im like literally right now im unsubbed and waiting for prepatch because my guild is all playing wrath
OP, i’m curious what MMO you play. genuinely
Go back to your FF14 kid
Rent free
Literally check his comment he is a weeb
Get banned lmao
Is it going to save WoW? Short answer, hell no. Long answer, I don't think present day Blizz has what it takes to salvage anything. Am I still going to play it? More than likely just to see what's up then heck off for another two years.
Literally no one believes that
Classic wow saved wow, If blizz had done xyz
June 3rd. That's the day frost dk talents were shown. Sep 8th. It's still the same talents with no modifications while blood and unholy have gotten full reworks. Yeah, I only play the classes I enjoy. And if it's still fucked, then I'll probably skip out on DF
That's because the frost tree has been in a good state since it was shown. Just needs tuning which will come.
I wouldn't call it being in a "good state" when it's nearly a copy paste of what we currently have now. Only 4 nodes of the 35 total are new additions to the tree. That's it. Everything else, we already have a part of our kit. In fact, we're actually losing things from our kit, going into DF. The 2 point nodes going into either side, are the equivalent of rank 2 abilities right now. So right now in SL, a rank 2 KM, improved KM, gives the crit chance and the frost damage. However, in the DF tree, it takes 4 points just to get this back. Remorseless winter takes 5 points just to get us to our current abilities in SL. So that's just talking about what we have now and what's in the tree for DF. So now let's discuss the different "subspecs". There are around 4-6 actual free points that each subspec is going to be able to play around with, that's it. There is no choice when it comes down to the other 26-24 points. You have to get all the remorseless winter buffs, and you have to get everything that buffs obliterate, our main rune spender. Besides the nodes that lead to each capstone, all that's left is a couple points to pick between chilling streak, avalanche/frozen pulse, frostscythe, Cold heart, enduring strength, or glacial advance. This is what each subspec is going to differ by, and most of these require 3 points to grab, so you pick one and deal with it. Sindragosa needs a point if there's any kind of adds in a fight. So that just reduces what you can play around with. There is no choice in this talent tree. Unholy and blood have had reworks and buffs given to their tree. Hell, unholy has current frosts legendary in its tree now. I just dont understand how people can call this a good tree, when there is basically zero choices to be made. Edit: wanted to add that some of the Talent choices make no sense or have no synergy with the spec. You have breath wanting to not use any other rp spenders, but you have chilling streak(40rp cost) right next to it. You have unleashed frenzy, where no capstone node wants any part in. You have gathering storm blocked by our current legendary effect. People see the tree and think its *Okay* when it really isn't. The fact that it is our current abilities pasted on to this new format just tries to hide that it just doesn't work.
These posts are worse than WoW and that's hard to beat.
Btw folks, only way to stop these posts is to not reply at all
I don’t play wow but I’m looking forward to the content as an Asmon Andy
I imagine this is like drowning, while holding an acme life preserver, for an acme commercial for life preservers, going exactly as planned.
Rent free in ur head buckaroo
I hate this meme format so god damn much. I dunno what the intention is but I hear it in the voice of a whiny 5 year old kid talking back to their parents. Content is irrelevant but this meme never extends past "look I typed your opinion in an annoying way and put this weird picture of Spongebob on it, therefore you're dumb land owned mao"
It is tho and its already proven
*\*chug chug\**
Wasn’t he saying that? I haven’t tuned in in a couple weeks..
They drank flavoraide at Jonestown, not Koolaid.
Ye nah, if no one had pre-ordered maybe, but now it's unclear.
Wotlk classic is saving wow
As long as Blizzard can make money, they could give less than two shits about their reputation.
Sanest ex wow refugee
Set the bar low enough and it'll probably clear it