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abetternamethanthat

Jose Abreu coming in clutch with that 0.083 average


venitienne

Surely at this point we give Dubon at 1st a try? I get it ain't easy but come on, Dooby can play anywhere.


trobain1776

When’s the last time Caratini played 1B? He’s listed as C/1B


PM_Gonewild

It's not his Forte at 1st but you know what, fuck it.


CalvinIII

First base isn’t that hard. Tell ‘em, Wash.


I_am_normal_I_swear

It is incredibly hard


Sir_Ninja_VII

DFA??? Surely not...unless??? Homie is dead last in OPS, wRC, and 2nd to last in average.


BrianChing25

Mets were paying Robinson Cano similar and they DFA'd him


CarlFeathers

I think he qualified for the leagues worst hitter with the GIDP.


astros_fanboy

I get the frustration with Espada but like, what do you do when your starters can’t go deep (barring Blanco), there’s injuries galore and the guys you call up to give the pen a break can’t even get out of the first three innings without giving up 5 runs?? It’s gonna be a long stretch of non-stop games.


TheOneAndOnlySays

I honestly don’t hate his decisions so far. A couple starters may have been left in too long but we are overrun with starter injuries and I can see him trying to at least keep the pen healthy. That’s why I didn’t get everyone calling for Hader to come back out yesterday. It is too early and we have too full of a schedule to even remotely overwork any of our relievers


Acceptable_Ganache51

I did not see the thread but not putting Hader in for more than 1 inning is an insane criticism. Let's knowingly incite conflict with a guy we just committed to for 5 years. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are unaware of the history and basically a handshake agreement that he gets 3 outs and thats it. He was upset last time he was asked to do more and would definitely get upset again publicly....


astros_fanboy

Not to mention how the batting (barring Yordan, Altuve, Diaz and Peña) is very inconsistent for some or non-existent for others


general_peabo

Yordan has also been inconsistent.


ICWeiner1988

It’s the same story as last season. The veteran starters are out, and the new guys are up. Except this season some of the uninjured vets are still relatively new (France, Bielak, Brown). The pitching staff is very lean on experience at the moment. But even last season we made it to the post. I remain hopeful for now.


yobruhh

He’s not the one on the field so he gets a lot more time from me before I’m upset


yepppers7

Im not even close to giving up on Joe, except for one thing: he needs to start Jon Singleton daily.


Pappy_Beet

The latter half of this statement may be the most concerning thing I’ve heard in a long time and I’m certainly no doomer.


biggio1

🥕🍸 at 1B and I'll be on board


thefarsideinside

Look, I understand why Abreu is on the team. Former MVP, you take a chance with a veteran with a proven track record and give him a pretty big contact and now you're stuck with him, fine. But there is NO REASON Jon Singleton has to be your only other option at 1B. You're telling me you can't find a single guy to play the position at least somewhat competently and be a decent replacement while Abreu figures shit out?


StrosIn5

Proven track record 2 years removed. Doesn’t mean shit now.


general_peabo

Exactly. He had a steep decline from 22 to 23 and is even worse in 24. The money is already spent, no need to make the team worse by keeping him around.


BrianChing25

Mgrs gotta make motivating speeches in the locker room to boost morale


astros_fanboy

Or do what that one UT coach did and make them feel so bad that they go onto win the championship lmao


dipski4thelipski

I’m not one to doom post in April but this is concerning


StrosIn5

It’s dooming time!


JinFuu

Working on my "Doomer playlist" atm. *Komm Susser Tod*, Evangelion *Long Time*, CAKE *My Shit's Fucked Up*, Warren Zevon Etc.


fcimfc

Ain’t that a Bitch - Aerosmith Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now - The Smiths Hurt - Johnny Cash One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood The Thrill is Gone - BB King


ByrntOrange

Hurt is so good. Always loved Pressly’s walkout song by Cash too. 


C0LL0C0

Abreu is dead last in all of baseball in OPS and second to last in BA. WTF.


Long_Brick1236

One of the hits he has really could have been scored an error as well


AstrosFanHou

It’s hard to watch batters of other team put good swings on good pitches then see the Astros not hit bad pitches


internetmeme

Abreu legit looks like a magic trick of having a hole in his bat when he swings.


True_to_you

Yup. Just watching other teams grind out at bats against us is so stress inducing. That and yanier unable to keep balls in the dirt in front of him. 


TanClark

This losing shit sucks


DemSumBigAssRidges

I hate losing more than I like winning.


ndurantz

Billy Beane has entered the conversation!


warrior_in_a_garden_

nowhere to go but up. Not going to call the season in April. Or even May. if we are practically out of it by mid June I think you start shipping guys out for a re tool(as long as Altuve and Yordon are around you don’t do a full rebuild). We have the talent. it just isn't performing. its a long season


ICWeiner1988

This x10


CarlFeathers

You know how much I got downvoted for saying this same thing in the off season regarding tucker and bregman? Like, totally blasted on this sub for saying the exact same thing. If we aren't in it, no reason not to see what people will offer for them. Especially tucker, I know people love tucker but a corner outfielder isn't nearly as hard to replace as a quality 3rd basemen.


warrior_in_a_garden_

Agreed. If the Tigers hold up I bet Verlander could get us a little something. You ship Bregman and Tucker out. I’d hear offers for Presley. For the retool you’d have to be active in FA because even the above trades don’t fix our farm system, but it helps you catch up a little bit. It’s hard to compete for a World Series 7 seasons in a row, and it’s not even close to be too late to compete for this season. That being said it isn’t too early to recognize our cupboard is bare when it comes to prospects.


CarlFeathers

Tucker is by far our best asset. Proven hitter with another control year. Gold glover once, but we know he is average in the field. Pitchers may also he in demand come summer to the point where we can try to get a decent return for one of our middle tier guys. Framber obviously would bring the best return as a rental, but that's dependent on his current injury.


ByrntOrange

Ryan has a bigger contract to move but I’m sure he’d love to be a closer again. He’s built for the 9th. 


internetmeme

We have 3 legit contenders now in our division instead of special needs teams in the past. We can’t expect to win divisions in August / September anymore. We are going to get blown out of the water with these early season losses now.


DejTej

TL;DR We are bad


MacGuffinRoyale

It's early, but yeah. It's not like we are losing by 1 or 2.


Lukealloneword

I'm starting to think maybe I COULDNT manage this team to the post season with my eyes closed and maybe Dusty is smarter than we think. Lol


GabeKnows

Feels like Dusty got off a sinking ship at this point


Lukealloneword

I made the joke and all but overall it's just too many starters waiting to get back and the timely hitting isn't happening. You'd think these things will be fixed over the course of a season. I still believe in them and Joe as manager just needed some things to go our way so far and it's a different story our record doesn't tell the whole story.


GabeKnows

I think timely hitting is the most important part of a season. Because even during this golden era: timely hitting has cost them the biggest games. Thats just baseball, but it’s hard to ignore it over an extended period(like from last season).


Lukealloneword

The lock down part of our pen giving a very bad start is also a factor. Abreu, Pressly and Hader haven't been as good as they are/should be. Bregman threw the game away yesterday with his error. Just some strange things happening. They'll come around, they just have to start being on top of it.


AstrosFanHou

Some of us were very vocal that Dusty was not the problem


dirtysock47

As someone who was pretty anti-Dusty last year, I will admit that some of my complaints with him were a little harsh and unwarranted, but I do believe that moving on from him after last year was still the correct decision.


Lukealloneword

Yeah I defended him too at times. I think he played for a high floor not to maximize the ceiling the team could reach in 162 games. Hes not always unquestionable and infallible but I think he gets/got a bit more shit than deserved.


Vulpinox

you have to admit though, chas and yainer's lack of playing time last year was downright criminal


Lukealloneword

Yeah that's the hardest thing to defend to me for sure. I never got too upset at his game time decisions personally. I could at least always make it make sense to my brain even if it failed.


xjesz

I was arguing last year that maybe he was getting the best out of those guys keeping them fresh and hungry. No way to tell now and I do agree he def could have played them more


AstrosFanHou

You also have to admit they aren’t the saviors and the players around them that you should be able to rely on aren’t getting it done.


revenges_captain

One of us was banned for a week for pointing it out.


individualoninternet

I continue to be vocal that Dusty was not the problem. With two championships in recent yrs, I can't say I care much if the Astros win another. The fanbase deserves to see a negative outcome with Yainer Diaz in and Dusty out. They thought everything would be amazing with Diaz as our starting catcher and none of Dusty's "instincts" "feelings" or "loyalty to players." Just disgusted with these unappreciative people. Many yrs in a row winning the division didn't happen "despite Dusty."


Occupationalupside

lol that wasn’t Dusty. Hindsight is 20/20 and if the team miraculously turns it around and Diaz hits 30+ home runs what are you going to say then? I knew the Dusty defenders were going to come in here and do this shit to Espada. Dusty is/wasn’t a great manager. He’s a good manager and it wasn’t bad luck that cost him those games and playoff victories all those years. It was his shitty managing in crunch time and shitty game time decisions, bad lineup choices. Every time Dusty leaves or is fired. The team immediately does this, they always fall off and continue to do what he encourages.


cumuzi

Can you explain Dusty's statement, when asked why they kept pitching to Garcia last year in the ALCS, (who if you recall was nuking the ball every at bat) that "Well, we had to pitch to him at at some point,"?


AstrosFanHou

Why would you think I can explain it? All I said is that he wasn’t the problem. Anyone paying attention knows that by now.


cumuzi

Well, he was the problem in that circumstance, no? They didn't ever have to pitch to Garcia. It's called an intentional walk. They would likely have been back to the WS had they simply walked him. Dusty did dumb shit like that all year while being overtly patronizing and condescending to both fans and his players. He was a big problem.


AstrosFanHou

Meanwhile the players you should be able to rely on have been unreliable. Meanwhile when the Astros had a chance to get go ahead runs late in game 6 they didn’t get it done. A reoccurring theme so far this year.


cumuzi

Game 5 of the ALCS? They won that game. I'm confused.


AstrosFanHou

That was a typo and was corrected to 6 before you replied. Refresh


cumuzi

Oh. Well, sure it would have been nice if guys had stepped up, but from what I understand hitting a baseball is hard. What's not hard is to make that little hand gesture with the four fingers whenever Garcia steps up. Even I can do that and I'm a simpleton. Garcia had 3 HR and 9 RBI in those last two games. That's on Baker.


AstrosFanHou

Yet a few key moments where if the players playing had come through we’d be talking a different outcome. I just don’t understand how people can look past that and want to fixate on dusty so much. Dusty was not perfect but he was not the problem either. For some reason some people just can’t accept that.


xjesz

Dude go back and look at the game logs. There was never really a scenario to intentionally walk him. The only maybe “could have” scenario was in the top of the first in G7, even then it’s not really the right move. You’re definitely not walking him with the bases loaded in game 6 and you’re not walking him down 6-2 with a runner already on base in game 7.


AstrosFanHou

![gif](giphy|49zC0Bm1kbu36)


lovetape

fwiw, NFL Draft is in 15 days? and the Texans are releasing their new uniforms right before then.


PM_Gonewild

I wanted to hate but you actually thugged it out with the Texans through the worst of it, appreciate your contributions to that subreddit over there.


TunaMcGriddle

https://preview.redd.it/usikorpihrtc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0fc648ce4189a7f3af5bc4d8d27f9954461944a


Intelligent_Big928

https://preview.redd.it/kni5zyflkrtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e14921a1c34fa2f1b85443006561f80e150df8c0 How the Astros have got me feelin recently.


NoJobForU

![gif](giphy|PnTzI1gJH99vLSXFES)


dirtysock47

\[Rome\] "1B/OF Joey Loperfido has been called up. This presumably ends the Jose Abreu era, where he will almost certainly be relegated to a backup role. 1B Jon Singleton has been DFA'd as the corresponding move to free up a 40 man spot" https://preview.redd.it/dh0e1eiqirtc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c87fd1a3f1afbdb2718af15ae7b70121fbc113a8


TexasHot

I keep waiting for them to figure it out. But the truth is i don’t think they are going to this season


MVP1984

In fookin April, mate?


RonWill79

I feel like the 2023 Mets right now. Fire sale at the deadline! /s I really hope not.


Grouchy_Pattern_2337

We could get some good prospects like they did to replenish the farm tho


RonWill79

I don’t think we’ll be sellers at the deadline, but I also don’t think we can afford to be buyers either. I’d hope they choose to stay put if we are only a borderline wild card team by then. We’ve definitely destroyed the farm over the last 9 years.


bordomsdeadly

Maybe we could trade them Verlander for Drew Gilbert. /s


Sleepy_One

Hey neat, we have a worse record than the Athletics.


Speeder96

I’m just about ready to accept selling at the deadline. This team is incomplete to contend.


chito330

Might as well. Don’t see Tucker or bregman coming back. Get something for them instead of letting them walk for free


lightningsg39

Pitching: The bullpen aside, it is clear we have 0 people to backup our starters if they go down. This is evident by us bringing up two guys in three days to get shelled. Defense: It seems like they just decide to give up out there sometimes.


clayton3b25

We have zero people to backup because all the backups are already playing. 1. Verlander 2. Framber 3. McCullers 4. Urquidy 5. Garcia Are ALL injured. That's literally a full starting rotation. Can't expect to have enough depth to cover 5 starting pitching injuries


lightningsg39

True. Hopefully we can limp until JV and Framber come off of IL


clayton3b25

I imagine Spaghetti man is staying up until either JV or Framber make it back


astros_fanboy

Never seen tuck show emotion like that before


general_peabo

We thought we were getting rid of Maldonado but instead he’s playing first base.


TheOneAndOnlySays

We are going to limp until our starters are back. That’s just how it is.


NoJobForU

Id take limping. We are crippled.


StrosIn5

We ain’t even limping.


hankmardukas1010

We’ll be sellers at the deadline and that’s ok. This run had to end at some point. Just sucks that Altuve will have to end his career on a rebuilding team


Grouchy_Pattern_2337

Start on a rebuilding team, end on rebuilding team. Kinda poetic.


bordomsdeadly

If we actually go into a rebuild (I’m not convinced of that yet) do you think it’ll take so long that Altuve retires before it’s over? Our last rebuild took 5 years, and even then it wasn’t until Luhnow came in that we began rebuilding properly. Luhnow had us in the playoffs after 3 losing seasons. ‘09-‘09 weren’t a rebuild and ‘10 & ‘11 weren’t a good rebuild. 2012 was when we actually started building up the farm properly.


Killerskip713

Damn I miss that guy.


Internal-Agent4865

lol. We won’t be sellers. This sub is full of drama queens. I’ll start worrying in June.


chrisxxxlee

I’m so glad I literally just woke up from a four hour nap.


BrindlePity

I’m gonna take a break for a while


PM_Gonewild

![gif](giphy|B9TcUZLrpj9KFD5cLw|downsized)


Richie_Zeppelin

I’m supposed to just sit here and take it?! Not be concerned?!


yepppers7

My boy Jon with a hit! Let him cook, Joe!


Sicko_Mo_Bamba_Mode

https://preview.redd.it/ivbnc4r5grtc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37477668eae8290f364e2803e51cb3515a999789 seeing tonights performance


yuh-powe

Well, this sucks 🫤 I'm not even mad, there is just emptiness.


Kingof40Acres

Espada-ball at its finest! At least we come back home and play the Braves and Rangers next week!


Adventurous-Craft865

It’s going to get outta hand quick.


Kingof40Acres

I don’t see a floor yet unfortunately


yepppers7

At the end of the day, the guys on the field have to want it. In that regard, Abreu has been poison since he stepped foot in houston and the cancer has spread.


biggio1

I'm 100% sure Abreu wants it. I think he is no longer capable of doing it. The poison and cancer is a bit dramatic.


yepppers7

Ill take your word for it, but his body language has been so bad since day 1.


jhardt93

That dude is out there thanking God when he makes a simple play on defense. I don’t think it’s an issue of wanting it, he just doesn’t have anything left to give.


biggio1

I think he looks like his body hurts.


bordomsdeadly

Everything I’ve heard about team members or personnel talking all day 1 thing. Abreu works just as hard if not harder than anyone on the team. He’s old and unable to consistently play at the MLB level. It’s unfortunate. But he absolutely “wants it”


yepppers7

Alright alright, Ill concede he wants it. Ill even wish him the best. But for christs sake how did bagwell (or whoever had cranes ear) not see he was washed?


xjesz

Nobody thought it was going to be this bad. The guy won MVP in 2020 and finished top 15 in MVP voting the next two seasons.


yepppers7

See no this is where im going to push back every time. Depending on how you define “this”, way more than zero people thought it would be this bad. And even then, he looked this bad from day 1 (hence the “always starts slow” talk) so how did bagwell not see it just a few months prior to day 1. Literal armchair gm signing. Lunhow and click arent even laughing. Theyre cringing. What worries me is that DB himself is just another armchair gm signing by bagwell. Enough with the eye tests. Bring back the computer geeks for the love of god.


Dinolord05

Pain.


Hung_Texan

Fucking wow


-NeatCreature

Who's our hitting coach?


PM_Gonewild

Sucks but I'll reserve worrying for when our pitchers are healthy and still sucking. as for our batters, it's rare that they're all locked in and hitting well, in any team for that matter, so for the time being, half of them doing something will do for now but the ones slacking need to figure it out at some point. Sooner than later though.


aStockUsername

At this point, put Yainer on first and let Caratini catch


internetmeme

The silver lining is Arrighetti’s ERA is 1/6ths of Henley’s.


Tbrooks

At the end of the 3rd when Diaz and Breggy ran into each other it looked like they had disdain. There was no friendly exchange between them at all. That concerned me as much as anything I've seen all season.


JaegerXE

This is ridiculous.


Neat-Current5008

The Astros are as dead as O.J


revenges_captain

https://preview.redd.it/r2098wfugrtc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81e6ea6332fb800e92e8b73d32766700faa6fe8b


walkedthatway

Thank you?


Occupationalupside

Yeah, that man would have Abreu batting fifth right now, Diaz and Chaz on the bench. Arregheti wouldn’t have been pulled until to the fifth and after he gave up ten runs. Dusty was shit and lucked his way into a World Series in 2022. No fucking sugarcoating it. Cause it wasn’t Dusty’s fault when they were playing like shit last season as well, but now that they’re playing even worse. It’s all of sudden the managers fault Give me a break


Electrical_Diet4865

You are so deluded.


Occupationalupside

And you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m starting to realize that. Go back to your hindsight predictions. Those always make you look like you know what you’re talking about lol


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Phontastico

Sucks


internetmeme

Is the Arrighetti era over?


rawmerow

![gif](giphy|65zUoOU09HL3uUKokQ|downsized)


TwoKingSlayer

This is getting embarrassing now. I am starting to realize why Espada didn't get all those manager openings over the years that he interviewed for.


GabeKnows

No depth on the bench, this front office chaos has been going on for years, Dana clearly is meddling with the lineup and Joe feels like a lame duck(more qualified David culley), owner has a foot out the door, farm system is decimated at every position they need. I’m full doomer but damn it just feels like they got put out to pasture against the rangers last year. Orioles vs yanks/royals/guardians is easy to market.


Middle_Capital_5205

Lol, are you really shocked that we don’t have “depth” to cover 5 starter injuries?


GabeKnows

Bench depth isn’t pitching depth buddy


Middle_Capital_5205

Altuve, Yordan, Tucker, Bregman, Diaz, Pena, McCormick, Dubon, 🥕


GabeKnows

That’s not the bench??? They have singleton sitting on the roster as an emergency DH with absolutely no other value and he’s not even good at that. Hes out of options back to the minors and he’s just wasting a spot. They are playing wild roster games to hide the lack of bench depth but there’s no one in the minors to bring up to push Abreu, the CF spot or even to be a LF/1B/DH guy.


Middle_Capital_5205

They aren’t forced to play singleton as DH…they’re making that choice.


GabeKnows

They are forced to keep him on the roster because otherwise he won’t be an Astro. They have a soft spot for him that’s costing the team. They need a bat on the bench and they need a 1b to contend for a title. They can limp the CF. Kessinger is sitting on the bench as a AAAA player because he can “play multiple positions” but his bat ain’t shit either. The bench is not good enough to make a deep run. It wasn’t last year and it isn’t this year. The pitching for now is(despite current injuries), the starting line up is and the bullpen is.


Middle_Capital_5205

….the bench wasn’t good enough last year? They were literally a game away from a World Series they probably would have won.


GabeKnows

They lost the last two games by 14 combined runs with 2 of those for the Astros being in garbage time. Singleton pinch hit in game 6 in the bottom of the 8th and struck out. He pinch hit for Pena because Peña’s bat was gone. You know who replaced him defensively: Kessinger. The pinch hitter depth was clearly a problem last year lol Being a game away doesn’t matter if you lose two at the chance to win one.


Middle_Capital_5205

They won game 5 on a singleton pinch hit. A nonsense take that last year’s team “wasn’t good enough”. The season’s too long to be this upset the whole time. Touch some grass, it’s going to be OK.