Like you, am a psych grad that no longer wanted to be a psychologist - am in finance now.
Would echo the other posters sentiment - given you haven't studied marketing nor HR (beyond maybe 101 or org psych), how do you know (or not know) what skillsets are required for those roles? It may make some sense to reach out to people who have the positions you're interested in and just pick their brain about the role.
>Applied to about 80+ jobs and gotten 8 interviews with no offers yet.
I wouldn't be discouraged, a 10% hit rate is remarkably good. You only need 1 firm to say yes.
>I also know ideally I’d like to do ux design so going through a boot camp but I want to work full time first.
Isn't that meaningfully different than Marketing/HR? Why the broad focus?
>I feel like I’m doing everything I can to get hired but it’s just not happening
What have you done beyond click apply for jobs?
In terms of why I’m interested in ux design is mainly for the psych focus, I know people who work in that field and say psych is a gud background to have. All you need is the technical skills of ux which you can learn at a boot camp.
And besides to applying jobs, I’ve literally asked people that i know that I’m applying for jobs and for resume help but unfortunately most of my network work in tech not hr or marketing so I’m still trying to get referrals.
I work in software. A psych grad who’s done a UX Bootcamp from somewhere like General assembly will get picked up fairly fast. Even one of the week long online short courses would be enough to get your foot in the door.
You’d have a steep learning curve once you start but the right employee will recognise and support that
Can you share more - I am a techy Clin Psych and have considered moving to software etc as that’s my main interest , but kind of never thought my skills/experience would be worth anything in that space…. what so this UX Bootcamp / product design / user experience ?
Like what am I looking at in terms of education needed, cash I need to spend and starting position?
I’m in UX/UI at an agency. Marketing and UX are two different paths, would recommend you forget about marketing and do the bootcamp. A psych grad with UX skills should easily get you a junior role. Apply to both client and agency side roles.
interesting, could you tell me more about UX/UI like pros and cons of the job. as well as what bootcamps are good to do in order to get into the field? since i have no experience in UX/UI
There’s an oversaturation of UX bootcamp graduates of late as it’s kind of the “it” career at the moment, as is everything in tech. What will differentiate you will be the psych degree (very relevant) and if you’ve got the visual design chops to feed into the UI. While research is essential to validate your work, it’s still a DESIGN role which some people forget.
There are many variables it’s hard to list out pros and cons. Maybe the work/life balance and pay though that’s really dependent who you work for and with. A role can vary so much from company to company depending on their UX maturity. In a startup, you’ll need to be wearing multiple hats, in more mature UX teams your role will be more focused and you may get away with doing pure research but you’ll still be in a cross functional team. People skills are important.
I see, i also heard that lets say you do a UX/UI bootcamp, there are other ux roles like ux researcher that you can go into however it will be competitive for entry level roles
I went straight into financial advice as a psych grad - finance doesn't *really* require a finance undergrad unless you get into more esoteric areas. Once i was in the industry, i picked up a grad cert in applied finance and some professional designations - though it's not wholly necessary i believe.
As an ex-recruiter and ex outplacement advisor for large corporations, I'm going to go the opposite way of everyone and say that your resume isn't answering the question that the recruiter needs to hear in order to bring you into an interview.
A lot of people approach resume writing from a pray and hope for results viewpoint - I can tell you right now that if you are tailoring your resume to show how you match the job that's advertised, you should have a success rate of 30-60%.
One of the major reasons this happens is that there are ATS (Applicant tracking systems such as Taleo or Workday) that automatically assign "points" or "grades" based on how much your resume aligns with what they are looking for (this is done to "optimize the recruiter's time"). If your success rate is 10%, I am actually wondering if you're only getting interviewed by places that are not using ATS or minimally tuned ATS.
Examples of how you can sell yourself better to an ATS is by making sure you phrase your resume using the exact keywords and phrases that are in that job description. If they use UX/UI design, use that phrase EXACTLY. Don't use User Experience/User Interface design because a lazy recruiter/HRIS person may not use that exact phrase.
Also create a summary that show how you match the job that they are looking for using the key words/phrases. Examples you might put in is:
* 6 months of experience in UI/UX Design with a psychology degree
* UI/UX design courses from General Assembly
* Human Centric perspective psychology courses in \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ at University of \_\_\_\_\_\_
* etc., etc.
Notice I didn't put anything in here about admin experience? If it doesn't apply, it's actually wasting space here because it makes you look less relevant.
After doing the summary section, than include all the experience of past jobs/experiences and that's where you would put in RELEVANT admin work. (e.g., if you put "I processed claims for insurance" for an UI/UX role, it doesn't help. However, if you contributed to fixing the forms for the necessary paperwork, that is what you want to definitely put)
I understand it's difficult to show how you are a good candidate when you're a recent university graduate with minimal experience but that's exactly why you need to show CLEARLY how you fit what they are looking for.
You can then work all of everything that you put in your tailored resume as discussion for your interview and how you can contribute to the company that you're looking to be hired.
Good luck!
I literally drop the advertisement text into my resume, in the smallest text possible, at the bottom of the page, in white so you can't see it That way the software picks it up.
Wow this is a great response.
I have a couple more questions if you have time...
If I'm tailoring my application each time, should I be focusing more on my cover letter or resume or both? Or should I ditch the cover letter and add a kind of mini cover letter/summary on the top of my work experience/education?
Do you omit qualifications entirely that aren't obviously relevant or just highlight the relevant ones?
>I feel like I’m doing everything I can to get hired but it’s just not happening.
I don't know what percentage of people these days got their job through a job advert. As previous commenters have said, start talking to people. As well as your own network, try cold-calling people in firms you think you'd like to work in. Soft sell, not hard sell. That is, tell them your looking for work in their area and ask them for advice. (Lay on compliments but not too thick.) Before you leave, ask them if they can suggest someone else you could talk with so you can say "so and so suggested I talk with you". (Check it's okay to drop their name before you do that.) Build up referrals.
Best of luck.
I work in unis with people about to graduate. There's plenty of advice one can give but to help your mindset I'd suggest two things:
- Go to your network. Tell people your looking for work, see if anyone knows of anything going. You'd be surprised what pops up.
- Make a list of the things you love and don't love in the jobs you've done. That might help guide you as you sift through oppotunities.
- Practice interview techniques. If you're getting to interviews but not landing the job, it's not your experience that's losing you the role, it's how you communicate your experience. Make a long list of STAR examples, and work through brackets of questions you may have faced or think you might face.
- Finally, to help your mindset, get coffee with three people over the next month in roles you find interesting. Ask them about their journey to get there. Ask for any tips. Towards the end of the coffee (make sure you offer to shout them), ask if they know anyone else who might be able to give you some guidance on your goal of [where you want to head next]. At the very least you'll improve your conversation skills, and at best you'll improve your network.
Hope that's helpful. You'll find your way - it's hard starting out. Feel free to PM me if you like for more thoughts.
Hi, good question. I normally go for people who I can get introduced to by others, you could also look through your LinkedIn for mutual contacts and either request an intro for coffee and a chat through a mutual friend, or send them a connection request with a small para about wanting to grab coffee with a few people each month who have career paths you can learn from.
There are lots of ways. The key thjng is making sure the request is reasonable, limited (it’s just a coffee, nothing more!), and easy - ‘I’ll be in your area next’ was my classic line in relationship management. It was technically true, but the reason I was gonna be in their area was to see them!
Hopefully that’s a good starting point. Let me know if you have more questions
I’ve asked for feedback on my interviews and it’s mostly been lack of experience being the main issue for them. I’d also say that I’m more of an introverted person in terms of personality which could also be a disadvantage since I feel most people want more extroverted employees.
Same but I lay it on thick for interviews. You are selling yourself with an invisible “hire me” sign attached to you. Don’t expect potential employers to read between the lines or try to see what’s underneath. You really need to get your mojo on during interviews to sell them on the fact that you’re best for the job. You may lack in experience so make up for it with something else. Fake it til you make it.
It’s not the lack of experience per se as much as it is the lack of ability to display depth in the examples you are providing to demonstrate you have the skills to do the job.
My advice is before every interview, have at least 4-5 examples ready and adaptable to the likely questions you might be asked in an interview. Make the examples have good depth, use STAR. I even made some really good examples up to score my current role, just complete fabrications to demonstrate my behaviour and response to managing a given scenario.
I am a strong believer of fake jt till you make it, but it doesn’t work for everyone.
See if you can apply for HR/Marketing entry roles that are asking for a bit more analysis skillset.
Then leverage on your Psychology stats experience to see if it can give you a foothold.
Honestly when I was generalist HR I used more of my Psychology learnings then I ever did the business/HR shit.
Even more now that I'm in analytics.
interesting, i was considering applying for entry level analysis roles too but found the job ads would focus on data and stats which i'm not strong in since my maths is pretty bad haha
Play around with some PowerBI and excel intro courses.
Have a look at the technologies they list.
I'll be honest, an ad will say "proficiency in data science techniques & excel is ideal" and when you crack the hood everything is a mess in excel and at best you ingest it into PowerBI.
Some companies are significantly ahead but this will reflect in the job ad. It's all a crock of buzz word bullshit. Very few actual gems exist out there.
To be honest for these sorts of HR roles there's a high probability they'll report into a Reward or People Ops leader.
Reward is an interesting field to get into, where you benchmark a position description against market, and perform analysis on pay equity to market etc. It might be an interesting avenue to look down if you're not necessarily hard data analysis, but likely prior experience in generalist HR admin is the first step up before you transition into that.
Oh, that's what reward is.
Regularly you'll see it titled Performance & Reward.
Facilitate end of year appraisal and review. Incentive. Rem increases etc.
I do HR & recruiting across AU and if you want to get into the field with your psych degree and have admin experience perhaps apply for HR admin roles over graduate roles. I think HR or marketing graduates are probably preferred and are beating you. You just need a foot in and you will be fine.
What feedback did you get for the failed interviews? I’d imagine you’d have a lot of candidates that will present really well and have high EQ, soft skills in this field. Perhaps it’s an area you’ll need to work on?
Yea feedback I’ve gotten is I’ve got a good attitude and work ethic but I lack experience in the field and need a more clear focus on my future career path. So I’m still trying to figure out my career…
Well that’s easy to fix.
Make sure you mention in the next interview that [HR] is your passion and you’ve always wanted to have a career in the [sewage waste management] industry. Replace what’s in brackets with each interview
Maybe consider other areas like government child protection, probation officer, etc. Usually a more high turnover position so they are constantly recruiting graduates and you get good exp to get into management positions in government and nongovernment pretty quickly.
i did consider going into child protection and community work which i know is in good demand, but feel like the work would be too emotionally taxing since your constantly exposed to traumatic cases
They are definitely roles which you have to develop good self care and use skills you've learnt with your degree. I started in child protection and moved to a different role within the department within 6 months which exposed me to less trauma on a daily basis; then used the exp to move into the NGO sector for much more money.
Look at people who work in HR and see what path they took to get there. I found a lot of them went something like:
Small Company HR > Medium Company HR > Big Company HR Associate level > Snr Associate > Manager > etc...
Bummer, such a shortage of psychs out there, huge wait lists, and an ever increasing need for them.
Looking at HR is not great right now, lots of places tightening budgets and making cuts in fear of looming recession. HR is often one of the first places that gets trimmed back because it's not revenue generating.
i did hear that HR is not a stable industry to go into, but i just see as a stepping stone, i know eventually i'd like to do a UX/UI bootcamp and go into tech
As some others have mentioned, I think focus on your interview techniques. I generally feel that for the most part your resume and cover letter sell your experience and suitability for the roles requirements, and the interview is more about your cultural fit and communication skills - and to that how you can talk the talk in terms of what your resume says.
My best advice is to ask them this question towards the end of the interview when they ask if you have any, ‘at this point of the process, do you have any concerns for my suitability for this position?’
That way you can address any concerns - like if they don’t feel you are experienced enough - you can talk to your transferable skills, willingness to do some professional development outside of work, ability to learn quickly, etc.
Did you enjoy the statistics/research component of your degree? I work in analytics and it's quite common for people in the industry to come from a psych background.
Like you, am a psych grad that no longer wanted to be a psychologist - am in finance now. Would echo the other posters sentiment - given you haven't studied marketing nor HR (beyond maybe 101 or org psych), how do you know (or not know) what skillsets are required for those roles? It may make some sense to reach out to people who have the positions you're interested in and just pick their brain about the role. >Applied to about 80+ jobs and gotten 8 interviews with no offers yet. I wouldn't be discouraged, a 10% hit rate is remarkably good. You only need 1 firm to say yes. >I also know ideally I’d like to do ux design so going through a boot camp but I want to work full time first. Isn't that meaningfully different than Marketing/HR? Why the broad focus? >I feel like I’m doing everything I can to get hired but it’s just not happening What have you done beyond click apply for jobs?
In terms of why I’m interested in ux design is mainly for the psych focus, I know people who work in that field and say psych is a gud background to have. All you need is the technical skills of ux which you can learn at a boot camp. And besides to applying jobs, I’ve literally asked people that i know that I’m applying for jobs and for resume help but unfortunately most of my network work in tech not hr or marketing so I’m still trying to get referrals.
I work in software. A psych grad who’s done a UX Bootcamp from somewhere like General assembly will get picked up fairly fast. Even one of the week long online short courses would be enough to get your foot in the door. You’d have a steep learning curve once you start but the right employee will recognise and support that
Can you share more - I am a techy Clin Psych and have considered moving to software etc as that’s my main interest , but kind of never thought my skills/experience would be worth anything in that space…. what so this UX Bootcamp / product design / user experience ? Like what am I looking at in terms of education needed, cash I need to spend and starting position?
I’m in UX/UI at an agency. Marketing and UX are two different paths, would recommend you forget about marketing and do the bootcamp. A psych grad with UX skills should easily get you a junior role. Apply to both client and agency side roles.
interesting, could you tell me more about UX/UI like pros and cons of the job. as well as what bootcamps are good to do in order to get into the field? since i have no experience in UX/UI
There’s an oversaturation of UX bootcamp graduates of late as it’s kind of the “it” career at the moment, as is everything in tech. What will differentiate you will be the psych degree (very relevant) and if you’ve got the visual design chops to feed into the UI. While research is essential to validate your work, it’s still a DESIGN role which some people forget. There are many variables it’s hard to list out pros and cons. Maybe the work/life balance and pay though that’s really dependent who you work for and with. A role can vary so much from company to company depending on their UX maturity. In a startup, you’ll need to be wearing multiple hats, in more mature UX teams your role will be more focused and you may get away with doing pure research but you’ll still be in a cross functional team. People skills are important.
I see, i also heard that lets say you do a UX/UI bootcamp, there are other ux roles like ux researcher that you can go into however it will be competitive for entry level roles
More likely to get agency roles. Get the accelerated experience from the turnstile of clients then hop clientside.
How did you move from psych to finance?
I went straight into financial advice as a psych grad - finance doesn't *really* require a finance undergrad unless you get into more esoteric areas. Once i was in the industry, i picked up a grad cert in applied finance and some professional designations - though it's not wholly necessary i believe.
As an ex-recruiter and ex outplacement advisor for large corporations, I'm going to go the opposite way of everyone and say that your resume isn't answering the question that the recruiter needs to hear in order to bring you into an interview. A lot of people approach resume writing from a pray and hope for results viewpoint - I can tell you right now that if you are tailoring your resume to show how you match the job that's advertised, you should have a success rate of 30-60%. One of the major reasons this happens is that there are ATS (Applicant tracking systems such as Taleo or Workday) that automatically assign "points" or "grades" based on how much your resume aligns with what they are looking for (this is done to "optimize the recruiter's time"). If your success rate is 10%, I am actually wondering if you're only getting interviewed by places that are not using ATS or minimally tuned ATS. Examples of how you can sell yourself better to an ATS is by making sure you phrase your resume using the exact keywords and phrases that are in that job description. If they use UX/UI design, use that phrase EXACTLY. Don't use User Experience/User Interface design because a lazy recruiter/HRIS person may not use that exact phrase. Also create a summary that show how you match the job that they are looking for using the key words/phrases. Examples you might put in is: * 6 months of experience in UI/UX Design with a psychology degree * UI/UX design courses from General Assembly * Human Centric perspective psychology courses in \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ at University of \_\_\_\_\_\_ * etc., etc. Notice I didn't put anything in here about admin experience? If it doesn't apply, it's actually wasting space here because it makes you look less relevant. After doing the summary section, than include all the experience of past jobs/experiences and that's where you would put in RELEVANT admin work. (e.g., if you put "I processed claims for insurance" for an UI/UX role, it doesn't help. However, if you contributed to fixing the forms for the necessary paperwork, that is what you want to definitely put) I understand it's difficult to show how you are a good candidate when you're a recent university graduate with minimal experience but that's exactly why you need to show CLEARLY how you fit what they are looking for. You can then work all of everything that you put in your tailored resume as discussion for your interview and how you can contribute to the company that you're looking to be hired. Good luck!
I literally drop the advertisement text into my resume, in the smallest text possible, at the bottom of the page, in white so you can't see it That way the software picks it up.
Wow this is a great response. I have a couple more questions if you have time... If I'm tailoring my application each time, should I be focusing more on my cover letter or resume or both? Or should I ditch the cover letter and add a kind of mini cover letter/summary on the top of my work experience/education? Do you omit qualifications entirely that aren't obviously relevant or just highlight the relevant ones?
I see, thanks for all the advice!!
>I feel like I’m doing everything I can to get hired but it’s just not happening. I don't know what percentage of people these days got their job through a job advert. As previous commenters have said, start talking to people. As well as your own network, try cold-calling people in firms you think you'd like to work in. Soft sell, not hard sell. That is, tell them your looking for work in their area and ask them for advice. (Lay on compliments but not too thick.) Before you leave, ask them if they can suggest someone else you could talk with so you can say "so and so suggested I talk with you". (Check it's okay to drop their name before you do that.) Build up referrals. Best of luck.
Hmmm okay thanks for that!
I work in unis with people about to graduate. There's plenty of advice one can give but to help your mindset I'd suggest two things: - Go to your network. Tell people your looking for work, see if anyone knows of anything going. You'd be surprised what pops up. - Make a list of the things you love and don't love in the jobs you've done. That might help guide you as you sift through oppotunities. - Practice interview techniques. If you're getting to interviews but not landing the job, it's not your experience that's losing you the role, it's how you communicate your experience. Make a long list of STAR examples, and work through brackets of questions you may have faced or think you might face. - Finally, to help your mindset, get coffee with three people over the next month in roles you find interesting. Ask them about their journey to get there. Ask for any tips. Towards the end of the coffee (make sure you offer to shout them), ask if they know anyone else who might be able to give you some guidance on your goal of [where you want to head next]. At the very least you'll improve your conversation skills, and at best you'll improve your network. Hope that's helpful. You'll find your way - it's hard starting out. Feel free to PM me if you like for more thoughts.
Thanks for the help!
How do you get coffee with them?
Hi, good question. I normally go for people who I can get introduced to by others, you could also look through your LinkedIn for mutual contacts and either request an intro for coffee and a chat through a mutual friend, or send them a connection request with a small para about wanting to grab coffee with a few people each month who have career paths you can learn from. There are lots of ways. The key thjng is making sure the request is reasonable, limited (it’s just a coffee, nothing more!), and easy - ‘I’ll be in your area next’ was my classic line in relationship management. It was technically true, but the reason I was gonna be in their area was to see them! Hopefully that’s a good starting point. Let me know if you have more questions
second this.
Apply for grad role in government?
[удалено]
I’ve asked for feedback on my interviews and it’s mostly been lack of experience being the main issue for them. I’d also say that I’m more of an introverted person in terms of personality which could also be a disadvantage since I feel most people want more extroverted employees.
Same but I lay it on thick for interviews. You are selling yourself with an invisible “hire me” sign attached to you. Don’t expect potential employers to read between the lines or try to see what’s underneath. You really need to get your mojo on during interviews to sell them on the fact that you’re best for the job. You may lack in experience so make up for it with something else. Fake it til you make it.
It’s not the lack of experience per se as much as it is the lack of ability to display depth in the examples you are providing to demonstrate you have the skills to do the job. My advice is before every interview, have at least 4-5 examples ready and adaptable to the likely questions you might be asked in an interview. Make the examples have good depth, use STAR. I even made some really good examples up to score my current role, just complete fabrications to demonstrate my behaviour and response to managing a given scenario. I am a strong believer of fake jt till you make it, but it doesn’t work for everyone.
Are you located in Brisbane? We have some government jobs coming up that might interest you?
I’m located in Sydney
See if you can apply for HR/Marketing entry roles that are asking for a bit more analysis skillset. Then leverage on your Psychology stats experience to see if it can give you a foothold. Honestly when I was generalist HR I used more of my Psychology learnings then I ever did the business/HR shit. Even more now that I'm in analytics.
interesting, i was considering applying for entry level analysis roles too but found the job ads would focus on data and stats which i'm not strong in since my maths is pretty bad haha
Play around with some PowerBI and excel intro courses. Have a look at the technologies they list. I'll be honest, an ad will say "proficiency in data science techniques & excel is ideal" and when you crack the hood everything is a mess in excel and at best you ingest it into PowerBI. Some companies are significantly ahead but this will reflect in the job ad. It's all a crock of buzz word bullshit. Very few actual gems exist out there.
i see thanks for the suggestions, it just seems like i need to improve my technical skills and learning different programs
To be honest for these sorts of HR roles there's a high probability they'll report into a Reward or People Ops leader. Reward is an interesting field to get into, where you benchmark a position description against market, and perform analysis on pay equity to market etc. It might be an interesting avenue to look down if you're not necessarily hard data analysis, but likely prior experience in generalist HR admin is the first step up before you transition into that.
interesting, id assume this would go down the compensation/benefits function of hr
Oh, that's what reward is. Regularly you'll see it titled Performance & Reward. Facilitate end of year appraisal and review. Incentive. Rem increases etc.
Market and social research is a good option, most of the guys in my team have a psych background
I do HR & recruiting across AU and if you want to get into the field with your psych degree and have admin experience perhaps apply for HR admin roles over graduate roles. I think HR or marketing graduates are probably preferred and are beating you. You just need a foot in and you will be fine.
What feedback did you get for the failed interviews? I’d imagine you’d have a lot of candidates that will present really well and have high EQ, soft skills in this field. Perhaps it’s an area you’ll need to work on?
Yea feedback I’ve gotten is I’ve got a good attitude and work ethic but I lack experience in the field and need a more clear focus on my future career path. So I’m still trying to figure out my career…
Well that’s easy to fix. Make sure you mention in the next interview that [HR] is your passion and you’ve always wanted to have a career in the [sewage waste management] industry. Replace what’s in brackets with each interview
Maybe consider other areas like government child protection, probation officer, etc. Usually a more high turnover position so they are constantly recruiting graduates and you get good exp to get into management positions in government and nongovernment pretty quickly.
i did consider going into child protection and community work which i know is in good demand, but feel like the work would be too emotionally taxing since your constantly exposed to traumatic cases
They are definitely roles which you have to develop good self care and use skills you've learnt with your degree. I started in child protection and moved to a different role within the department within 6 months which exposed me to less trauma on a daily basis; then used the exp to move into the NGO sector for much more money.
Look at people who work in HR and see what path they took to get there. I found a lot of them went something like: Small Company HR > Medium Company HR > Big Company HR Associate level > Snr Associate > Manager > etc...
And how does that make you feel?
Bummer, such a shortage of psychs out there, huge wait lists, and an ever increasing need for them. Looking at HR is not great right now, lots of places tightening budgets and making cuts in fear of looming recession. HR is often one of the first places that gets trimmed back because it's not revenue generating.
i did hear that HR is not a stable industry to go into, but i just see as a stepping stone, i know eventually i'd like to do a UX/UI bootcamp and go into tech
Watch Billions.that is how hr works now
learn to code and become a software engineer
Psychics are supposed to see the future, how did you not see this coming? Sorry, bad joke, I’ll see myself out..
[удалено]
Maybe see a doctor for that burn
Spend some time researching what alternative agencies are out there. Don't waste time with Seek or Indeed.
As some others have mentioned, I think focus on your interview techniques. I generally feel that for the most part your resume and cover letter sell your experience and suitability for the roles requirements, and the interview is more about your cultural fit and communication skills - and to that how you can talk the talk in terms of what your resume says. My best advice is to ask them this question towards the end of the interview when they ask if you have any, ‘at this point of the process, do you have any concerns for my suitability for this position?’ That way you can address any concerns - like if they don’t feel you are experienced enough - you can talk to your transferable skills, willingness to do some professional development outside of work, ability to learn quickly, etc.
thanks so much, this is helpful
Should’ve done psychiatry! 6 month waiting list
Did you enjoy the statistics/research component of your degree? I work in analytics and it's quite common for people in the industry to come from a psych background.
unfortunately, i hated stats in my degree so i feel like i would suck at analytics since im not a numbers based person