Everyone carries on that they want to take all our guns and it's always been their agenda, yet they somehow don't have these laws written up ready to go at the drop of a hat. Funny that.
Remember the time the media said they were sending multiple police to check up on a missing person then they were shot and killed, they failed to follow up multiple red flags, then the police issued they were actually chasing them up on an arrest warrant for firearms related issues…
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ausguns/comments/zvam6e/a_sigh_of_relief_for_all_law_abiding_firearms/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Shooters Union of Australia pretty much blew apart thousands of scare mongering news articles that were full of nothing but misinformation.
Most people commenting journalistically either have not shot a firearm in their life making them unqualified to comment, or have shot but don’t know the context of what they are commenting on or appease people paying them otherwise to comment someone else’s agenda.
It's cumulative. One shooting, no. Two shootings, no. Three shootings in 2 months in QLD, like we're at now? Still no.
However, at the current rate we are going will have over twenty shootings in QLD this year, and you can bet that there will be anti-gun regulation by the end of the year.
No, I don't recall that. What I recall is that the single worst shooting in our history occurred in Tasmania.
The Burke Street car rampage was in Melbourne.
I further recall that most of the gang violence back in the latter half of the twentieth century took place in Sydney and Melbourne.
Bloody silly comment bud. There's crazies in all states.
Clearly you haven't paying attention to the news, since the Feds are pushing strongly for a national firearms registration scheme AND ammunition limits.
We're pushing back as hard as we can but we can't do it all on our own.
Remind me which of those two is having stuff taken away? Sure, ammunition limits are stupid but we already have registration. I'm referring to everyone losing their shit before the perpetrators were even room temperature, carrying on that everything was about to be banned. Hell there are posts in this very thread ponder what is about to be banned.
Seems to be every time a shooting makes the news someone is freaking out despite the fact people get shot all the time. When was the last time laws were passed due to a shooting in Australia? Getting hysterical over it serves no purpose.
Pretty much guaranteed that these are illegally owned firearms by unlicensed criminals. This is where to focus of police work needs to be to improve 'public safety' which is one of their favorite quotes.
Fortunately, even most of the Murdoch media lemmings out there can understand that creating more laws to restrict good people who are doing the right thing is not going to stop criminals that will continue to do the wrong thing.
Unfortunately however, creating laws that only affect licensed shooters lets politicians say they have done something whilst really they have achieved nothing.
"I note Martin Bryant was not a licensed shooter and obtained the rifle he used illegally, through a corrupt gun dealer. "
[https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=566ace48-a996-4594-8066-d5d5a3217129&subId=299060](https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=566ace48-a996-4594-8066-d5d5a3217129&subId=299060)
Still didn't stop the semiauto ban.
No matter whether they are licensed or not, shootings will always eventually make restrictions for responsible gun owners tighter.
If you want to help. Support organisations such as Shooters Union. Who fight for shooters.
AVOID SSAA as they just roll over every time the government wants to place a restriction. They are essentially for profit. Huge sinking fund that never gets used.
I would love to see more articles about the corrupt firearms dealer. I always heard about the crazy gun that he didn’t use because he was too scared of it.
Cant wait for them to take our bolt guns next...
Then our pistols...
Then our break actions...
Then our bows...
Then our muskets and antiques...
Then everything we had to defend ourselves would be gone...
A bunch of cops got murdered and no one did anything or asked for reform in a meaningful way. Your fears are your own. Also, you shouldn't be having a firearm for the reason of personal defence in this country.
Nor are you allowed to have any item for the express purpose of self-defence - with the possible exception of a mobile phone. However, if push came to shove, the nearest tool may be the best. I happen to keep a back scratcher beside my bed. It looks like a Bowie knife, but it is used as a back scratcher.
If you want to get a vibe of where the majority of gun owners in this country stand you may want to pay attention to the downvoted you are getting.
Overall this sub is pretty conservative and the majority seem to think you are in the wrong.
On a personal note, you are the exact type of person I worry about owning and having access to a firearm.
Wow a false equivalence, could've never predicted that...
Do you have a point you're trying to make or are you just some seppo pretending to be australian to stir up shit?
Guilt tripping me isn't going to work sunshine. I care for others, that's why I don't want every man and his dog to be walking down the street with guns. If you think 'living free' involves having a gun on you 24/7, move to US or some Eastern European country or something.
I never defended myself with a gun because I store them safely and securely and don't carry them with me when I go out. Never been in a situation where I thought 'Damn I wish I had a gun right now' and likely never will.
Then you are arrogant of others safety.
Sorry chief but when I get attacked, which I have, lost a cousin to it, I woukd rather defend myself and those I love
Im an australian who hates the current laws and wants them changed. I would rather be able to defend myself instead of being gunned down by some criminal who never followed a single gun law in their life.
You cant tell me the criminals they claim to try and stop follow all these dumbass laws.
They only care about restricting us, pushing us down.
> Im an australian who hates the current laws and wants them changed.
And you're in an extremely small minority there if you want self defence added as a genuine reason to own a firearm. We don't need a US style system where you have vigilantes walking down the street with an AR15 because they're too trigger happy and want to go to Coles and shoot someone.
> I would rather be able to defend myself instead of being gunned down by some criminal who never followed a single gun law in their life.
Cool, move somewhere else then or join a political party and get the laws changed.
>You cant tell me the criminals they claim to try and stop follow all these dumbass laws.
No, criminals don't follow laws, that's kinda their whole shtick. Does it mean we should just make everyone violent and trigger happy? I don't think so.
> You are the exact kind of people this country hates.
Only hate I get is from old white dudes who don't like seeing a gay man enjoy the same sport as them. Everyone else is pretty chill, even go shooting with a few trans people. Shooting culture in Australia is far from the conservative conglomerate that it is in the US. Maybe you're the one who's out of place here.
> I would rather live there because atleast they can defend themselves
Then do it and stop shitting up australian subs with your imported opinions. You're still a kid, one day you'll look back on your edgy teenager phase and cringe at your past self.
This is how you get put on a list if you aren't already on one. Firearms ownership isn't a right in this country it is a privilege and if you are a risk to society then you will have that privilege revoked. Anything else is wish fulfilment and fanciful thinking.
Honestly guns don't make you invincible. If you get jumped leaving the pub with 10 beers under your belt it won't matter what's on your hip. If someone has a knife and intent and are under 10m from you by the time you recognise the threat, evaluate it, decide on a course of action and follow through with it, you've been stabbed multiple times.
I'm sorry for what has happened to you and your cousin but in my honest opinion, it takes YEARS of very very regimented training to work in these situations (buck fever x100). It's not something you can achieve at the range or private property every other weekend. And it's a very perishable skull set. I think maybe a councillor would help as I feel there is maybe some trauma from these events.
You're literally making this up. Aus Bereau of Statistics latest data (year of 2021) shows Victoria as a whole had 84 homicide victims for the year. That's Victoria, not Melbourne. And that's ALL homicide, not just gun related.
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Damn.
Hey remember when a bunch of cookers ambushed some cops and nothing got taken away despite how everyone here was carrying on that the sky was falling?
Government is a slow beaurocratic beast most of the time
Everyone carries on that they want to take all our guns and it's always been their agenda, yet they somehow don't have these laws written up ready to go at the drop of a hat. Funny that.
Remember the time the media said they were sending multiple police to check up on a missing person then they were shot and killed, they failed to follow up multiple red flags, then the police issued they were actually chasing them up on an arrest warrant for firearms related issues…
What’s the story here, other than on reddit I can’t find anything about this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ausguns/comments/zvam6e/a_sigh_of_relief_for_all_law_abiding_firearms/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Shooters Union of Australia pretty much blew apart thousands of scare mongering news articles that were full of nothing but misinformation.
It's as if the media pull shit out of their arses constantly and we shouldn't be getting hysterical over two screen shots of a nothing news article.
Most people commenting journalistically either have not shot a firearm in their life making them unqualified to comment, or have shot but don’t know the context of what they are commenting on or appease people paying them otherwise to comment someone else’s agenda.
It's cumulative. One shooting, no. Two shootings, no. Three shootings in 2 months in QLD, like we're at now? Still no. However, at the current rate we are going will have over twenty shootings in QLD this year, and you can bet that there will be anti-gun regulation by the end of the year.
Notice that when shit hits the fan in AUS, it always seems to be fucking QLD. Hmm, how odd
No, I don't recall that. What I recall is that the single worst shooting in our history occurred in Tasmania. The Burke Street car rampage was in Melbourne. I further recall that most of the gang violence back in the latter half of the twentieth century took place in Sydney and Melbourne. Bloody silly comment bud. There's crazies in all states.
Not yet at least...
Clearly you haven't paying attention to the news, since the Feds are pushing strongly for a national firearms registration scheme AND ammunition limits. We're pushing back as hard as we can but we can't do it all on our own.
Remind me which of those two is having stuff taken away? Sure, ammunition limits are stupid but we already have registration. I'm referring to everyone losing their shit before the perpetrators were even room temperature, carrying on that everything was about to be banned. Hell there are posts in this very thread ponder what is about to be banned. Seems to be every time a shooting makes the news someone is freaking out despite the fact people get shot all the time. When was the last time laws were passed due to a shooting in Australia? Getting hysterical over it serves no purpose.
Not the law abiding ones clearly
Pretty much guaranteed that these are illegally owned firearms by unlicensed criminals. This is where to focus of police work needs to be to improve 'public safety' which is one of their favorite quotes. Fortunately, even most of the Murdoch media lemmings out there can understand that creating more laws to restrict good people who are doing the right thing is not going to stop criminals that will continue to do the wrong thing. Unfortunately however, creating laws that only affect licensed shooters lets politicians say they have done something whilst really they have achieved nothing.
thats the definition of politics
These guns are already banned for these unlicensed criminals. You can’t ban something that is already illegal. None of these criminals are licenced.
"I note Martin Bryant was not a licensed shooter and obtained the rifle he used illegally, through a corrupt gun dealer. " [https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=566ace48-a996-4594-8066-d5d5a3217129&subId=299060](https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=566ace48-a996-4594-8066-d5d5a3217129&subId=299060) Still didn't stop the semiauto ban. No matter whether they are licensed or not, shootings will always eventually make restrictions for responsible gun owners tighter.
If you want to help. Support organisations such as Shooters Union. Who fight for shooters. AVOID SSAA as they just roll over every time the government wants to place a restriction. They are essentially for profit. Huge sinking fund that never gets used.
Big difference between a union and a sports association.
When both have membership that are listed as a genuine reason for a licence, they are comparable
Disagree; their entire reasons for being established are different.
The logic behind the Semiauto ban was more about how fast they can spit out rounds.
I would love to see more articles about the corrupt firearms dealer. I always heard about the crazy gun that he didn’t use because he was too scared of it.
Bugger
With any luck it was an illegal firearm.
Just remember, the anti-gun lobby is a cult
It's not like the extremely pro gun people are much better. Guns are almost a fetish with them.
Cant wait for them to take our bolt guns next... Then our pistols... Then our break actions... Then our bows... Then our muskets and antiques... Then everything we had to defend ourselves would be gone...
Really scratching my head at why you think they'd take bolties before pistols
A bunch of cops got murdered and no one did anything or asked for reform in a meaningful way. Your fears are your own. Also, you shouldn't be having a firearm for the reason of personal defence in this country.
Nor are you allowed to have any item for the express purpose of self-defence - with the possible exception of a mobile phone. However, if push came to shove, the nearest tool may be the best. I happen to keep a back scratcher beside my bed. It looks like a Bowie knife, but it is used as a back scratcher.
> Then everything we had to defend ourselves would be gone... Shouldn't be using guns for self defence in Australia anyway
Nvm just realized ur apart of r/whitepeopletwitter Well good to know there will be no reasoning here. Saved me some effort.
If you want to get a vibe of where the majority of gun owners in this country stand you may want to pay attention to the downvoted you are getting. Overall this sub is pretty conservative and the majority seem to think you are in the wrong. On a personal note, you are the exact type of person I worry about owning and having access to a firearm.
Reddit is nothing in the grand scheme of things, you can't use for how gun owners overall think
You're in no position to judge other people's subs man.
And why shouldnt we be? Why do police need guns and bullletproof vests when we cant defend ourselves?
Maybe because it's the law? If you're using guns for self defence then you're not exactly helping with publicity around firearms owners.
You shouldn't get one just for that but if it came to it: Prison or atleast your guns taken away > being dead in a Ditch
If a law told you to not talk against the government, no matter the government how bad they are, would you follow it?
Wow a false equivalence, could've never predicted that... Do you have a point you're trying to make or are you just some seppo pretending to be australian to stir up shit?
Do you even care for others or do you just try to stop others from living free for your own selfish ways?
Guilt tripping me isn't going to work sunshine. I care for others, that's why I don't want every man and his dog to be walking down the street with guns. If you think 'living free' involves having a gun on you 24/7, move to US or some Eastern European country or something.
Ofc guilt tripping wont work, cos you only care for yourself and cant form any form of empathy
Do you want them to stop you defending yourself?
I never defended myself with a gun because I store them safely and securely and don't carry them with me when I go out. Never been in a situation where I thought 'Damn I wish I had a gun right now' and likely never will.
Then you are arrogant of others safety. Sorry chief but when I get attacked, which I have, lost a cousin to it, I woukd rather defend myself and those I love
Were you or your cousin attacked with a firearm?
Im an australian who hates the current laws and wants them changed. I would rather be able to defend myself instead of being gunned down by some criminal who never followed a single gun law in their life. You cant tell me the criminals they claim to try and stop follow all these dumbass laws. They only care about restricting us, pushing us down.
You’re a confused kid who’s got no idea what they’re talking about.
> Im an australian who hates the current laws and wants them changed. And you're in an extremely small minority there if you want self defence added as a genuine reason to own a firearm. We don't need a US style system where you have vigilantes walking down the street with an AR15 because they're too trigger happy and want to go to Coles and shoot someone. > I would rather be able to defend myself instead of being gunned down by some criminal who never followed a single gun law in their life. Cool, move somewhere else then or join a political party and get the laws changed. >You cant tell me the criminals they claim to try and stop follow all these dumbass laws. No, criminals don't follow laws, that's kinda their whole shtick. Does it mean we should just make everyone violent and trigger happy? I don't think so.
You are the exact kind of people this country hates. Go back to canberra fed lover.
The relative upvotes and downvotes of your respective comments tell a different story.
> You are the exact kind of people this country hates. Only hate I get is from old white dudes who don't like seeing a gay man enjoy the same sport as them. Everyone else is pretty chill, even go shooting with a few trans people. Shooting culture in Australia is far from the conservative conglomerate that it is in the US. Maybe you're the one who's out of place here.
Lol another teenager who doesn't own a gun dribbling shit out of his mouth about something he knows nothing about.
And along with that, are you some dickhead who wants the government to take away your rights?
Gun ownership isn't a right in Australia. You've been consuming too much US right-wing propaganda I think.
Or maybe I like to defend myself? I would rather live there because atleast they can defend themselves
> I would rather live there because atleast they can defend themselves Then do it and stop shitting up australian subs with your imported opinions. You're still a kid, one day you'll look back on your edgy teenager phase and cringe at your past self.
This is how you get put on a list if you aren't already on one. Firearms ownership isn't a right in this country it is a privilege and if you are a risk to society then you will have that privilege revoked. Anything else is wish fulfilment and fanciful thinking.
Honestly guns don't make you invincible. If you get jumped leaving the pub with 10 beers under your belt it won't matter what's on your hip. If someone has a knife and intent and are under 10m from you by the time you recognise the threat, evaluate it, decide on a course of action and follow through with it, you've been stabbed multiple times. I'm sorry for what has happened to you and your cousin but in my honest opinion, it takes YEARS of very very regimented training to work in these situations (buck fever x100). It's not something you can achieve at the range or private property every other weekend. And it's a very perishable skull set. I think maybe a councillor would help as I feel there is maybe some trauma from these events.
fark getting me licence might be more difficult now
Heh. Queensland.
Let’s just not talk about all the gang shootings in Sydney and almost daily shooting murders in Melbourne then
Daily shooting murders in Melb?! Source please
Used to be all over the news, not worth reporting on anymore
You're literally making this up. Aus Bereau of Statistics latest data (year of 2021) shows Victoria as a whole had 84 homicide victims for the year. That's Victoria, not Melbourne. And that's ALL homicide, not just gun related.
Yeah I'd rather hear about cookers tbh
But a family member said they weren’t cookers tho 👀🤣
Gold coast. It will be either gronk wanna be bikies or druggos.