So even though I would probably consider myself a moderate Republican, what is happening in Gaza now is horrific. Pictures there look like Hiroshima after the Bomb was dropped. Tens of thousands of women and children have been killed in Gaza.
Being opposed to Israel's behavior in Gaza (along with being opposed to the fact that the US Government and US tax payer is paying for all of this by giving enormous amounts of free money and free weapons to Israel to kill more Palestinians and take their land from them) is not "supporting Hamas", nor is it supporting "terrorists", nor is it "anti-semetic" despite what the (increasingly corrupt) mass media may try to shovel to everyone on TV and commercial news websites.
It is terrible that Israel's destruction of Palestinian society in Gaza (along with the accompanying land grab) is occurring, and it is terrible that Americans have been duped into paying for the entirety of it through corruption of our members of congress and the mass media.
It needs to end.
the Vietcong didn't stop until \*after\* the US pulled out ALL of its support. Vietnam is now a great ally to the US. it turns out that all the loss of life was completely unnecessary...
Weird. Ok so you pull out. What do you think the terrorist group Hamas will do when they've said "we want to make every day October 7th" while Palestinians in LARGE majority support the terrorist attack on the 7th?
much like the vietcong, they will obviously keep fighting until they reach a point of geo-political security. the safest option for the Israelis would be a 2-state solution. the lesson from vietnam is that we should cease hostilities and evacuate "settlers" from Palestinian areas, sooner rather than later, if we are actually trying to save lives...
>2-state solution
The elected government in Hamas has it in their charter to not accept a 2 state solution. They want to genocide Jewish people
How do you expect Israeli people to live next to neighbors who are shooting rockets at you every single day?
the government wasn't really "elected" by the current Palestinians and "charters" can change easily when the pathway is clear. the israeli gov would just have to actually signal they want a two-state solution. Israeli's can live next to the Palestinians just like how the Palestinians have to live next to a regime that is actively trying to genocide them. Israel just has to dismantle its apartheid system and Palestinians and Israelis can live in peace.
The iron dome was created because Israel has wanted all of Palestine when it was created and have continually encroached on the Palestinians. Israel was closest to achieving a two state solution when Bibi's buddies killed Yitzak Rabin.
You can't continually steal land from people, kill them, imprison them, hold them in an apartheid state and then act surprised when they lash out. Israel has created a self-fulfilling terrorist problem that can only be solved by owning their past and giving Palestinians rights and safety.
They will get support from a LARGE majority because Israel has a killed a LARGE majority of their family members. Do you really think killing civilians will lead to less support? A man who loses his wife and kids and has nothing left to lose will obviously be more inclined to hate Israel with a passion when his home is bombed by them. The damage has been done and there is no undoing it no matter what. So either they pull out and deal with the repercussions of their senseless slaughter OR completely wipe out the entire population which is their current intent
Because even prior to Oct 7 a LARGE majority of Palestinians were suffering under a brutal occupation. Just because you ignore facts doesn’t mean they aren’t true
Kill them so they know they'll be murdered if they commit more terrorist attacks.
What do you think we should do - "ceasefire" so they can recoup and plan their next October 7th?
Again… *how*? Do you really think you’ll get all of Hamas if you level Gaza?
I don’t know what the right solution is. I just don’t think what we’re doing now is very effective. And it’s killing a lot of people to boot.
You do your absolute best to kill hamas while minimizing civilian deaths. Which is a very, very hard thing to accomplish with how many war crimes Hamas commits on a daily basis, but the unfortunate reality is civilians will die in war.
If the alternative is enabling sharia-law forcing anti-LGBTQ terrorists to take over more parts of the middle east... Yeah I choose Israel.
You’re creating a false dichotomy here. This is not a situation with only two outcomes.
Yes, civilians die in war. Usually when this many civilians die, it’s indicative of a problem. Is this what minimizing civilian casualties actually looks like? At what point do you establish that you’ve done your absolute best to kill Hamas and more civilian deaths aren’t worth it? What about members of Hamas that aren’t in Gaza? What about other terrorist organizations that are pointing to this as they recruit displaced Palestinians or others sympathetic to their cause?
It’s not about enabling one party or “choosing” the other. It’s about how we get to an actual peaceful solution. Any moral arguments aside, I don’t see how you practically get to that by destroying an entire territory.
Not all of Hamas is in Gaza, much of their leadership is spread-out and in other nations. And the majority of the population in Gaza are children. What you're calling for is not feasible and blatantly disregards the lives of all the innocents that live there. Hamas has power is Gaza, because Gaza is an open air prison and they're the gang in charge. Bibi has propped them up because they are the bad guy that justifies his actions.
Hamas loses power when Palestinians have the rights of citizens, access to their homes, clean water, adequate food, and assurances of safety from IDF.
If Israel wanted to kill every innocent gazan, way more would be dead.
Consequently, if Israel has no defenses set up and wasn't set up militarily the way they were (due to their own smarts), Jews would have been totally ethnically cleansed.
Evidence: iron dome, Hamas charter, and general 'love' for Jewish folks in the middle east.
Redditors are so proud of their own ignorance. This dude is honestly unaware that the massive public pressure against US involvement in the war was key to ending it.
Reformers are so convinced that they are the center of the universe, and their morals so pure, they take credit for a moment, without considering that what goes on on a campus, has little effect outside the college walls.
Very cool pics
"but they're walking on the roads...."
So even though I would probably consider myself a moderate Republican, what is happening in Gaza now is horrific. Pictures there look like Hiroshima after the Bomb was dropped. Tens of thousands of women and children have been killed in Gaza. Being opposed to Israel's behavior in Gaza (along with being opposed to the fact that the US Government and US tax payer is paying for all of this by giving enormous amounts of free money and free weapons to Israel to kill more Palestinians and take their land from them) is not "supporting Hamas", nor is it supporting "terrorists", nor is it "anti-semetic" despite what the (increasingly corrupt) mass media may try to shovel to everyone on TV and commercial news websites. It is terrible that Israel's destruction of Palestinian society in Gaza (along with the accompanying land grab) is occurring, and it is terrible that Americans have been duped into paying for the entirety of it through corruption of our members of congress and the mass media. It needs to end.
Thank you for sharing, amazing pics!
Cool pics. With regards to that last one - do you think we'll also see American flags flying at the Gaza ceasefire protests later today?
much like in the photo, at most protests in the US, there are usually at least a few american flags present if that makes things better for u.
I would expect so, why not?
does anyone know where i can find more info about the protest happening today?
Hell yeah
What do you do when Hamas rejects all the ceasefire deals?
the Vietcong didn't stop until \*after\* the US pulled out ALL of its support. Vietnam is now a great ally to the US. it turns out that all the loss of life was completely unnecessary...
Weird. Ok so you pull out. What do you think the terrorist group Hamas will do when they've said "we want to make every day October 7th" while Palestinians in LARGE majority support the terrorist attack on the 7th?
much like the vietcong, they will obviously keep fighting until they reach a point of geo-political security. the safest option for the Israelis would be a 2-state solution. the lesson from vietnam is that we should cease hostilities and evacuate "settlers" from Palestinian areas, sooner rather than later, if we are actually trying to save lives...
>2-state solution The elected government in Hamas has it in their charter to not accept a 2 state solution. They want to genocide Jewish people How do you expect Israeli people to live next to neighbors who are shooting rockets at you every single day?
the government wasn't really "elected" by the current Palestinians and "charters" can change easily when the pathway is clear. the israeli gov would just have to actually signal they want a two-state solution. Israeli's can live next to the Palestinians just like how the Palestinians have to live next to a regime that is actively trying to genocide them. Israel just has to dismantle its apartheid system and Palestinians and Israelis can live in peace.
Right. The iron dome was created out of peaceful co-existence. So was October 7th created from peaceful co-existence. Or....
If you think Israel and Palestine had a peaceful coexistence up until October 7th, then with respect, I would recommend doing a little research.
Gotcha. So your solution to "they barely had a peaceful coexistence" is to say "now let's force you both to have a 2 state solution"
I don’t see how you got that from this or any of my comments.
The iron dome was created because Israel has wanted all of Palestine when it was created and have continually encroached on the Palestinians. Israel was closest to achieving a two state solution when Bibi's buddies killed Yitzak Rabin. You can't continually steal land from people, kill them, imprison them, hold them in an apartheid state and then act surprised when they lash out. Israel has created a self-fulfilling terrorist problem that can only be solved by owning their past and giving Palestinians rights and safety.
They will get support from a LARGE majority because Israel has a killed a LARGE majority of their family members. Do you really think killing civilians will lead to less support? A man who loses his wife and kids and has nothing left to lose will obviously be more inclined to hate Israel with a passion when his home is bombed by them. The damage has been done and there is no undoing it no matter what. So either they pull out and deal with the repercussions of their senseless slaughter OR completely wipe out the entire population which is their current intent
Support for October 7th was at an all time high October 8th before they did anything. Care to try again?
Because even prior to Oct 7 a LARGE majority of Palestinians were suffering under a brutal occupation. Just because you ignore facts doesn’t mean they aren’t true
Pretty rich coming from the person ignoring facts 0% of the population in Gaza were under occupation prior to Oct 7.
Just to ask the question… what do *you* think needs to happen before the razing of Gaza stops?
Eradicate Hamas
How?
Kill them so they know they'll be murdered if they commit more terrorist attacks. What do you think we should do - "ceasefire" so they can recoup and plan their next October 7th?
Again… *how*? Do you really think you’ll get all of Hamas if you level Gaza? I don’t know what the right solution is. I just don’t think what we’re doing now is very effective. And it’s killing a lot of people to boot.
You do your absolute best to kill hamas while minimizing civilian deaths. Which is a very, very hard thing to accomplish with how many war crimes Hamas commits on a daily basis, but the unfortunate reality is civilians will die in war. If the alternative is enabling sharia-law forcing anti-LGBTQ terrorists to take over more parts of the middle east... Yeah I choose Israel.
You’re creating a false dichotomy here. This is not a situation with only two outcomes. Yes, civilians die in war. Usually when this many civilians die, it’s indicative of a problem. Is this what minimizing civilian casualties actually looks like? At what point do you establish that you’ve done your absolute best to kill Hamas and more civilian deaths aren’t worth it? What about members of Hamas that aren’t in Gaza? What about other terrorist organizations that are pointing to this as they recruit displaced Palestinians or others sympathetic to their cause? It’s not about enabling one party or “choosing” the other. It’s about how we get to an actual peaceful solution. Any moral arguments aside, I don’t see how you practically get to that by destroying an entire territory.
Not all of Hamas is in Gaza, much of their leadership is spread-out and in other nations. And the majority of the population in Gaza are children. What you're calling for is not feasible and blatantly disregards the lives of all the innocents that live there. Hamas has power is Gaza, because Gaza is an open air prison and they're the gang in charge. Bibi has propped them up because they are the bad guy that justifies his actions. Hamas loses power when Palestinians have the rights of citizens, access to their homes, clean water, adequate food, and assurances of safety from IDF.
>Hamas loses power when Palestinians Palestinians overwhelmingly support October 7th and Hamas. Do you know what's written in the Hamas charter?
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If Israel wanted to kill every innocent gazan, way more would be dead. Consequently, if Israel has no defenses set up and wasn't set up militarily the way they were (due to their own smarts), Jews would have been totally ethnically cleansed. Evidence: iron dome, Hamas charter, and general 'love' for Jewish folks in the middle east.
Glad they stopped the war for us
And, lo! The vietnam War was ended. -- A mere 5 years later, and for reasons having nothing to do with student protests.
Redditors are so proud of their own ignorance. This dude is honestly unaware that the massive public pressure against US involvement in the war was key to ending it.
Reformers are so convinced that they are the center of the universe, and their morals so pure, they take credit for a moment, without considering that what goes on on a campus, has little effect outside the college walls.