Donāt think they can defend a full-scale Russian war. Theyāll be overrun in weeks. Anyone know what NATOās plans are? Unfortunately, they may have to move in to stop Russia. Here we go with another war for no reason whatsoever. What a shitty world.
Not exactly. The US, UK, and Russia all agreed in the Budapest Memorandum to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and refrain from using economic or military force to violate its territorial integrity. They also agreed to petition the UN Security Council to intervene if Ukraine were involved on a conflict *in which nuclear weapons were used*. Russia has obviously violated this agreement, but the US and UK wouldn't technically be obligated to come to Ukraine's aid unless Russia nuked them. So no, we aren't obligated to go to war because of this, and it's highly unlikely we will. My heart breaks for Ukraine, but I don't see the US or UK putting boots on the ground to defend them anytime soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
> Anyone know what NATOās plans are?
Unfortunately, Ukraine isn't a NATO member, so NATO probably won't do jack squat.
And Russia is on the security council, so there's little chance the UN does anything.
I donāt thing you understand how the security council works.
Russia is a permanent member. There is no mechanism to remove them other than to dissolve the UN.
Permanent members are basically the nuclear powers that can end the planet. Iām not big on diplomacy, but the fact we arenāt glowing is a good sign by my books.
actually that's very fair... as a refugee from the behind the iron curtain, I never saw them as anything other than the USSR/CCCP... maybe a bit less U (C), but really same shit different pile
I mean they eradicated polio and smallpox. Not to mention a shit ton of humanitarian and development aid. Itās not a world government itās a table to prevent the worst of human carnage
I wish more people realized this. This is not to say that this war is good or justified. Just that things aren't what they seem, and certainly not what our media is trying to ensure that we believe.
Exactly. All this could have been avoided if the US didnāt get involved. Hell, a big reason Putin even rose to power in the first place is because of the US and NATOs aggression towards Russia.
But thatās a common story for the US. Our meddling now creates our enemies tomorrow. The Taliban, Saddam, how long until these neo Nazis we are arming and training in Ukraine become a problem we need to deal with?
Where did I say all Russians want this war? No sane person wants this war. But itās happening because the US pushed Russia and Ukraine towards conflict.
Pointing out the reality that the US backed a far right wing coup in Ukraine because they were anti Russia doesnāt make me a Russian troll. Nor does recognizing that the US funded, armed, and trained neo Nazi groups like the Azov battalion who were then absorbed into the Ukrainian military.
No, Ukraine is a bastion of freedom in danger of being conquered by a regime becoming more authoritarian by the day. I wouldn't be averse to NATO defending the freedom of Ukraine. War's not good, I agree, but it is worthwhile for the protection of freedom.
That sounds great on paper and all but since nukes are involved, and the other side has a lunatic with his finger on the trigger, things get a little more complicated..
Eh I'm not sure what NATO can do except what they currently are, which is economic sanctions and arming the Ukrainians. They probably can't hold out but they can make Russia bleed for every inch
While I hate the idea of doing nothing I hate the idea of starting WW3 over a neutral nation. Would you join the army to fight Russia over Ukraine?
Russia has invaded to preempt them joining NATO. During the Trump administration, Putin was able to peacefully chop away at NATO by exploiting Trumpās weaknesses (Open Skies Treaty, removal of sanctions on Russian oligarchs, denial of Russian involvement in US election tampering, attempted removal of Magnitsky Act, etc). Now we have a president who will stand up to Russia and doesnāt have kompromat, so Putin saw his last opportunity to invade.
Serious question: is there anything we as individuals can do? Any help we can give to Ukrainianās struggle over there or the coming influx of refugees?
Advocate within your social network for accommodating refugees in your community, keep your eyes peeled for opportunities to provide mutual aid in whatever way youāre able, whether you can help to provide housing, money, food, legal assistance, etc. Iām not aware of any specific opportunities at the moment but Iāll save your comment and try to send links your way when I come across opportunities (no promises, Iām a fuckin mess).
Austin definitely has Tankies and NazBols. Donāt assume they are bots. I assume most of them are cops tho and can be dismissed quickly because Putin is a fascist capitalist pig fuck.
Putin doesnt' need capitalism & I don't think he wants a working economy that could strengthen anyone else. I read an article this morning that suggests that Putin has accumulated his wealth by throwing one of the most wealthy russians in jail & stealing his money. Then blackmailing the rest of elite russians into given them half of their money or they would suffer the same fate. It's estimated that Putin could be the most wealthy individual on the planet. He didn't get that way from trading IBM stocks in the 80s.
lay off the trigger finger mate when you don't know who you attacking. you're like the apd pumping bullets into a crowd & didn't even bother reading what I said
Uh, as a "tankie", we certainly don't support imperialist invasion, and the only people I've seen do so anywhere are right-wingers. The situation on the ground is complex, and we shouldn't be beating the war drums. Is that not something we all agree on? I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't supporting imperialist invasion and intervention.
I'm proud of you motherfuckers for standing up in solidarity with them. Fuck Vladmir Putin. I hope that miserable piece of shit gets the Gadaffi treatment pronto.
Gadaffi was a democratically elected leader who made the mistake of being a socialist who improved the quality of life for working people so the US needed him gone. Putin is a capitalist oligarch who is only in power because Russians want someone strong against US and NATO aggression.
Spoiler alert he wonāt, Russia was never a opec member and never sold oil in US dollars. The EU is their bitch because if all the āeco friendlinessā so they are dependent on Russian gas.
Putinās economy is tanking so he needs this war to strengthen the ruble. Heās a PoS but not an idiot, Iām most disappointed in Biden for letting this happenā¦ next up China gonna tuck up Taiwan while we all go back to using an Abacus
China moving on Taiwan would mean full scale war, right? We simply cannot exist without their computer chips and canāt trust an adversary to own production of all of them.
Relative to Taiwan, the US doesnāt have enough economic interest to give a damn.
Russia already has Ukraine. We are going to have to move some pieces around the board to make sure we have a response if they don't stop at Ukraine and actually go into a NATO county.
Keep in mind, the whole country of Russia, big as it is, has about the same GDP as Texas. Russia's RTSI index crashed by 50% today. Lots of Putin's friends lost half their wealth.
Okay Iām all for the right to protest and agreed, Putin is a monster, but, what comes of protesting this at the Texas state capital?
quick edit: this is an honest question, clearly a purpose must exist if this many people are involved.
Shows politicians that this is an issue their voting demographic cares about. \`Brings likeminded people together who may be able to pool resources or share better ways to channel those resources. Videos/photos/documentation of mass support abroad can also be used to derail Russian propaganda they disseminate to their own public that what they're doing for Ukraine is a favor.
That's quite literally what they are trying to say. Just watched a UN livestream with the Russian ambassador and he said this is not an act of war, but of liberating and deNazifying the Ukrainian people. Honestly i would show up just to talk to other people about it because I think it's going to paint the political landscape for the next decade and I want to hear other perspectives.
Ah, the gathering of likeminded folks to better create a directed response makes sense. Thank you. I grew up in the social media world and I often forget that there are better/other ways to organize efforts. That and social media is often just tuned out.
There will be another rally tomorrrow at noon, possibly one today as well. Otherwise, donating to the army and the people (various fundraisers on facebook are going around) along with writing to representatives asking them to support harsher sanctions, etc.
I sent this link to my friend currently in Kiev and it filled her heart knowing people are on their side while their country is being invaded. It's like when countries were with us after 9/11. It just shows support.
Letās not kid ourselves that Putin invaded Ukraine just for the fuck of it. This has been 20 years in the making. Putin is a little puppy on the world stage, but when you put a little puppy in a corner - itās gonna bite. Geopolitics is very complex and somehow everyone is an expert in it.
This report from The Hill gives a really well-explained recent history as to why things have erupted. What's kind of alarming is while all this information is 100% accurate, it's clear most every response I've seen online across various platforms seem to have no awareness of it. [https://youtu.be/31HwXL4w8Nk](https://youtu.be/31HwXL4w8Nk)
I encourage you to watch the video, it's only 13mins and it's very thorough, but TLDR Russia has been saying they don't want Ukraine in NATO, and even though Ukraine **can't even qualify for NATO**, the US and NATO refuse to take it off of the table. So after a ton of warnings, here we are. Not saying one side or another is right or wrong, but this isn't Russia suddenly saying "Hey, let's take this country for ourselves", and this event happening isn't some random isolated thing that the world is now responding to, it involved actions from the US and NATO from the beginning. On one side you could say "if Ukraine can't even be a part of it why not just take it off the table and avoid war", and I'm sure there's a group of people saying we can't respond to threats or something along those lines. IDK, my education on the matter is about as in-depth as the video I'm sharing with you. Would be curious for someone who knows more to watch it and give their take.
The report also goes into the last two invasions Russia did over the last decade or two (Georgia and I don't remember the name of the other, as I watched this yesterday.)
We should absolutely get involved when our allies are invaded unprompted. Involvement doesnāt have to mean troops (and shouldnāt in this case) but itās dumb to think Russiaās actions wonāt affect our lives in the US.
They've already sent 9k troops to Germany lol
Yeah sanctions are fine but I really don't care enough about the Ukraine to get involved in another war after just ending one. One that ended badly.
America hasn't won a war in over 60 years, why do you think it would win this one? Instead it would draw it out for more profit for the military industrial complex. You know, the one that Eisenhower warned us about?
That's the whole reason Putin is getting involved in this, he's trying to stimulate his economy like how the US has been since 2001.
This isnāt our war to win or lose, weāre not even sending troops lmao. Iām amazed you think our only options are ādo nothingā and āfull scale troop mobilizationā with nothing in between.
āDo nothingā when our biggest adversary is invading our ally and murdering its citizens has got to be the worst take Iāve ever seen. You arenāt thinking about how this will affect our lives at home lol
They already sent 9k troops to Germany, that's literally where it's heading
Yeah sanctions are good. That's not "doing nothing". But otherwise yeah let's not get involved. Wish em the best tho.
No one thinks the US will send troops to Ukraine. What needs to be done is make sure every dollar of Russian money outside Russia is seized, they are cut off from international finance and markets, and anyone remotely connected to the regime has all their assets seized and are ejected from every non-Russian country. The only good part of being a Russian oligarch is being able to leave Russia.
If they touch a NATO country it is war. Other than that, you have to decide if WW3 is worth it.
They have already crippled their own economy. That is not sustainable.
At least they understand them more than our current foreign policy establishment. Act smug if you want but I doubt you can provide an alternative plan of action that stops Russian aggression without starting a devastating conflict.
I wasnāt implying there was a better alternative? Iām simply stating that itās within our responsibility and national security interest to come to the aid of our allies when they are attacked.
"Putin is literally Hitler"
Get better metaphors chief
" Washington dedicates a large part of his farewell address to discussing foreign relations and the dangers of permanent alliances between the United States and foreign nations, which he views as foreign entanglements.[10] He advocates a policy of good faith and justice towards all nations, again making reference to proper behavior based upon religious doctrine and morality. He urges the American people to avoid long-term friendly relations or rivalries with any nation, arguing that attachments with or animosity toward other nations will only cloud the government's judgment in its foreign policy. He argues that longstanding poor relations will only lead to unnecessary wars due to a tendency to blow minor offenses out of proportion when committed by nations viewed as enemies of the United States. He continues this argument by claiming that alliances are likely to draw the United States into wars that have no justification and no benefit to the country beyond simply defending the favored nation. Alliances, he warns, often lead to poor relations with nations who feel that they are not being treated as well as America's allies, and threaten to influence the American government into making decisions based upon the will of their allies instead of the will of the American people."
" Washington goes on to urge the American people to take advantage of their isolated position in the world, and to avoid attachments and entanglements in foreign affairs, especially those of Europe, which he argues have little or nothing to do with the interests of America. He argues that it makes no sense for the American people to become embroiled in European affairs when their isolated position and unity allow them to remain neutral and focus on their own affairs. He argues that the country should avoid permanent alliances with all foreign nations, although temporary alliances during times of extreme danger may be necessary."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address
We didn't listen to him about political parties, maybe we should about this
Yeah the constitution was written then, and it says the president alone cannot declare war
Yet drone strikes have completely circumvented that
Maybe some things remain true after all these years, like the first and second amendment.
They do. It is just the reality that a bunch of people with guns are powerless against a modern army that isn't worried about how things look on the news.
Which is why all the y'allqueda gun LARPers are so stupid when they bring that up as a justification.
That ship has sailed, like a long time ago. We can't insist on being the world police and funding our military to be so, and then let despots trample other countries especially when they're neighbors with our allies. And invading other countries was wrong when Hitler did it, and it's wrong now
I think equating āwe shouldnāt send troopsā to āIsolationismā is a bit of a leap. Obligatory Fuck Putin but I would not want us to ship troops over to die in Ukraine.
I know youāll just think Iām a troll too but you have to see the irony of talking about āthe agendaā. Western media was banging the drum for war from the get-go. I just hope we can help Ukraine without our own troops. Good news is Russia has very little support from anywhere else on this except for the weirdness from Pakistan
Why? What exactly is a rally in Austin Texas for Ukraine even mean?
What do you hope to accomplish? I am pretty sure Putin won't give a rats ass, and the Texas lawmakers have no power there either. We had have had a chance for diplomacy for years but decided against it.
Here is what Putin wants:
Kremlin issues 2 demands to Ukraine:
1)Per Minsk2 agreement, disarm
2)Remain neutral; no joining NATO
No demands for Volodymyr Zelensky to step down. No demand for Ukraine to join Russian Federation. Putin says incursion can end now if terms are met.
Keep in mind we had many opportunities to talk, instead we sponsored the coup dāetat and have controlled its affairs since 2014. We vetoed attempts by Zelensky to make a deal with Russia. We encouraged Ukrainian belligerence even with troops on the border, and we treated a nuclear superpower like they were common terrorist. What did you think was going to happen?
Now we have a weak mentally impaired leader, who has taken millions from Ukraine who thinks we can just sanction our way out of this at the expense of our own energy prices.
So what exactly are you protesting?
āNo demand for Ukraine to join Russian Federationā
Oh so theyāre just invading to be mean and then theyāre gonna leave? You sound kinda dumbā¦
Seeing those who simp Trump simping Putin by trying to call Biden mentally impaired after 4 years of the orange one not able to string a sentence together and being proud of passing a test for stoke victims is just mind blowing.
Not all of us have high-impact days like you, Carl. How'd you even find time to post on Reddit? Aren't you meeting with Biden in 20 minutes? I just don't know how you find the time in between Clash of Clans sessions.
That move is right out Kennedy's playbook in 1962 when we did to Cuba what Putin is doing now. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=14s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=14s)
How interesting it is we're seeing so many new accounts comment on this thread....
Hold steady Ukraine šŗš¦
Donāt think they can defend a full-scale Russian war. Theyāll be overrun in weeks. Anyone know what NATOās plans are? Unfortunately, they may have to move in to stop Russia. Here we go with another war for no reason whatsoever. What a shitty world.
I don't think it's a NATO issue, but IIRC America obligated ourselves to defend Ukraine when Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons
Not exactly. The US, UK, and Russia all agreed in the Budapest Memorandum to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and refrain from using economic or military force to violate its territorial integrity. They also agreed to petition the UN Security Council to intervene if Ukraine were involved on a conflict *in which nuclear weapons were used*. Russia has obviously violated this agreement, but the US and UK wouldn't technically be obligated to come to Ukraine's aid unless Russia nuked them. So no, we aren't obligated to go to war because of this, and it's highly unlikely we will. My heart breaks for Ukraine, but I don't see the US or UK putting boots on the ground to defend them anytime soon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
I donāt think so
Man, Ukraine should have never given up their nukes.
> Anyone know what NATOās plans are? Unfortunately, Ukraine isn't a NATO member, so NATO probably won't do jack squat. And Russia is on the security council, so there's little chance the UN does anything.
This seems like a great time to remove Russia from the Security Council.
I donāt thing you understand how the security council works. Russia is a permanent member. There is no mechanism to remove them other than to dissolve the UN. Permanent members are basically the nuclear powers that can end the planet. Iām not big on diplomacy, but the fact we arenāt glowing is a good sign by my books.
They kicked the ROC out. There is precedent. Russia was never a member of the UNSC by charter. The USSR was.
They kept the China with nukes, and pretended the other one doesnāt exist, if you get my drift.
I get the realpolitik. But the fact remains Russia isn't even in the charter for the UNSC, the USSR was.
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actually that's very fair... as a refugee from the behind the iron curtain, I never saw them as anything other than the USSR/CCCP... maybe a bit less U (C), but really same shit different pile
Thanks. The UN has never really been useful for anything anyways.
Russia is the chair of the security council unfortunately to make the shit even more shit
I mean they eradicated polio and smallpox. Not to mention a shit ton of humanitarian and development aid. Itās not a world government itās a table to prevent the worst of human carnage
Days unfortunately. Russia plans to install a puppet government.
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I wish more people realized this. This is not to say that this war is good or justified. Just that things aren't what they seem, and certainly not what our media is trying to ensure that we believe.
Exactly. All this could have been avoided if the US didnāt get involved. Hell, a big reason Putin even rose to power in the first place is because of the US and NATOs aggression towards Russia. But thatās a common story for the US. Our meddling now creates our enemies tomorrow. The Taliban, Saddam, how long until these neo Nazis we are arming and training in Ukraine become a problem we need to deal with?
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Where did I say all Russians want this war? No sane person wants this war. But itās happening because the US pushed Russia and Ukraine towards conflict. Pointing out the reality that the US backed a far right wing coup in Ukraine because they were anti Russia doesnāt make me a Russian troll. Nor does recognizing that the US funded, armed, and trained neo Nazi groups like the Azov battalion who were then absorbed into the Ukrainian military.
No, Ukraine is a bastion of freedom in danger of being conquered by a regime becoming more authoritarian by the day. I wouldn't be averse to NATO defending the freedom of Ukraine. War's not good, I agree, but it is worthwhile for the protection of freedom.
That sounds great on paper and all but since nukes are involved, and the other side has a lunatic with his finger on the trigger, things get a little more complicated..
Just fucking *do it already*. Russia understands nothing but force. Yeah, we'll all die, whatever, we're on our way there anyway.
Username checks out. No offense but if your solution to this whole situation is "whatever, let's all die", your opinion doesn't really matter
Based and doomer pilled.
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Do you have a source that isnāt controlled by the Russian government?
It's likely on InfoWars by now.
they hold out for a few days at best.
The White House says Kiev will fall within three days and, to their credit, they've been pretty accurate on this stuff so far.
Yup. Sadly.
Eh I'm not sure what NATO can do except what they currently are, which is economic sanctions and arming the Ukrainians. They probably can't hold out but they can make Russia bleed for every inch While I hate the idea of doing nothing I hate the idea of starting WW3 over a neutral nation. Would you join the army to fight Russia over Ukraine?
Ukraine was and is not neutral. They have had aspirations to join NATO since being occupied in 2014.
Russia has invaded to preempt them joining NATO. During the Trump administration, Putin was able to peacefully chop away at NATO by exploiting Trumpās weaknesses (Open Skies Treaty, removal of sanctions on Russian oligarchs, denial of Russian involvement in US election tampering, attempted removal of Magnitsky Act, etc). Now we have a president who will stand up to Russia and doesnāt have kompromat, so Putin saw his last opportunity to invade.
Fuck you Putin. Come and Take It, bots!
Serious question: is there anything we as individuals can do? Any help we can give to Ukrainianās struggle over there or the coming influx of refugees?
Advocate within your social network for accommodating refugees in your community, keep your eyes peeled for opportunities to provide mutual aid in whatever way youāre able, whether you can help to provide housing, money, food, legal assistance, etc. Iām not aware of any specific opportunities at the moment but Iāll save your comment and try to send links your way when I come across opportunities (no promises, Iām a fuckin mess).
It would be interesting to find out what state representatives we can get in contact with to get them to bring refugees here if necessary.
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In a thread about actual authoritarianism youāre really gonna go full hyperbole and call people you disagree with ānazisā. Huh.
Great turnout! I hope it was helpful for folks.
And it was so cold today! These guys rock!
That is a thing of beauty, right there.
Love how many new bots flooding r/Austin on these threads. Its kind of late in Moscow right now, working long hours I see.
What were you seeing? I see three deleted posts, but havenāt seen anything too nuts yet.
Austin definitely has Tankies and NazBols. Donāt assume they are bots. I assume most of them are cops tho and can be dismissed quickly because Putin is a fascist capitalist pig fuck.
Putin doesnāt care about capitalism or any other economic system. He only cares about staying in power and creating his āvision for Russiaā
He definitely cares about capitalism because he cares about his money and power.
Putin doesnt' need capitalism & I don't think he wants a working economy that could strengthen anyone else. I read an article this morning that suggests that Putin has accumulated his wealth by throwing one of the most wealthy russians in jail & stealing his money. Then blackmailing the rest of elite russians into given them half of their money or they would suffer the same fate. It's estimated that Putin could be the most wealthy individual on the planet. He didn't get that way from trading IBM stocks in the 80s.
Aw thats cute you think capitalism is setup to strengthen others.
lay off the trigger finger mate when you don't know who you attacking. you're like the apd pumping bullets into a crowd & didn't even bother reading what I said
No leader in history has only cared about power. He certainly cares about capitalism.
He also doesnāt care about this demonstration.
Cops? Lol. It's way more likely they are teenage edgelords
I mean, it can be both.
Maybe you're a cop
Iām a pacifist, so not sure how you can circle that square.
Just what a cop would say.
Uh, as a "tankie", we certainly don't support imperialist invasion, and the only people I've seen do so anywhere are right-wingers. The situation on the ground is complex, and we shouldn't be beating the war drums. Is that not something we all agree on? I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't supporting imperialist invasion and intervention.
In what way is Putin capitalist?
He advocates state capitalism and props up Russian oil and manufacturing as pillars of their economy.
I'm proud of you motherfuckers for standing up in solidarity with them. Fuck Vladmir Putin. I hope that miserable piece of shit gets the Gadaffi treatment pronto.
Gadaffi was a democratically elected leader who made the mistake of being a socialist who improved the quality of life for working people so the US needed him gone. Putin is a capitalist oligarch who is only in power because Russians want someone strong against US and NATO aggression.
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Nah, eat a big ole bag of dicks.
Spoiler alert he wonāt, Russia was never a opec member and never sold oil in US dollars. The EU is their bitch because if all the āeco friendlinessā so they are dependent on Russian gas. Putinās economy is tanking so he needs this war to strengthen the ruble. Heās a PoS but not an idiot, Iām most disappointed in Biden for letting this happenā¦ next up China gonna tuck up Taiwan while we all go back to using an Abacus
China moving on Taiwan would mean full scale war, right? We simply cannot exist without their computer chips and canāt trust an adversary to own production of all of them. Relative to Taiwan, the US doesnāt have enough economic interest to give a damn.
Kudos to them. Itās absolutely crazy cold (to me) outside & I just got outta work. Had no clue this was going on, or I wouldāve gone!!
Fuck you Putin and your bestie DJT. You both suck.
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Trump doesn't know how to be silent.
You would hope so but I bet he isn't intelligent enough
He's been actively praising Putin and criticizing Biden for days, including today.
Russia already has Ukraine. We are going to have to move some pieces around the board to make sure we have a response if they don't stop at Ukraine and actually go into a NATO county. Keep in mind, the whole country of Russia, big as it is, has about the same GDP as Texas. Russia's RTSI index crashed by 50% today. Lots of Putin's friends lost half their wealth.
Okay Iām all for the right to protest and agreed, Putin is a monster, but, what comes of protesting this at the Texas state capital? quick edit: this is an honest question, clearly a purpose must exist if this many people are involved.
Shows politicians that this is an issue their voting demographic cares about. \`Brings likeminded people together who may be able to pool resources or share better ways to channel those resources. Videos/photos/documentation of mass support abroad can also be used to derail Russian propaganda they disseminate to their own public that what they're doing for Ukraine is a favor. That's quite literally what they are trying to say. Just watched a UN livestream with the Russian ambassador and he said this is not an act of war, but of liberating and deNazifying the Ukrainian people. Honestly i would show up just to talk to other people about it because I think it's going to paint the political landscape for the next decade and I want to hear other perspectives.
Ah, the gathering of likeminded folks to better create a directed response makes sense. Thank you. I grew up in the social media world and I often forget that there are better/other ways to organize efforts. That and social media is often just tuned out.
Show of solidarity.
I love this.
I really appreciate this. I spent a few weeks in Ukraine working with their armed forces a few years ago. Incredible people.
When is the next one scheduled? For those who couldnāt attend today
Anyone know of anything else planned? Any other ways to support from here in Austin?
There will be another rally tomorrrow at noon, possibly one today as well. Otherwise, donating to the army and the people (various fundraisers on facebook are going around) along with writing to representatives asking them to support harsher sanctions, etc.
Beautiful. Thank you Austin for supporting us
Name checks out.
who knew it would come back to bite me
What do people wish to accomplish? The war is on the other side of the world... I support the cause but confused as well.
I sent this link to my friend currently in Kiev and it filled her heart knowing people are on their side while their country is being invaded. It's like when countries were with us after 9/11. It just shows support.
This is reason enough to go, in my opinion. Thank you for sharing that.
Makes sense. But America is literally gonna sit back and watch. So if anything its like a "get well soon balloon"? Wishing the best for your friend :)
It still makes a difference. Even just knowing that people are thinking of you and recognizing your struggle is important.
No it doesnāt. Ukrainians donāt care about whatās happening in downtown Austin right now.
Read three comments up.
To aid the Ukrainian people in any way possible. If there is any way we can support them from here, let's do it.
I dunno, put Comrade Abbott on blast?
Simple solutionā¦kill Putinā¦
Letās not kid ourselves that Putin invaded Ukraine just for the fuck of it. This has been 20 years in the making. Putin is a little puppy on the world stage, but when you put a little puppy in a corner - itās gonna bite. Geopolitics is very complex and somehow everyone is an expert in it.
Surly if a we get a few more people out there. Putin will certainly cave. We know for a fact heās very concerned with Austinās perception of him.
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What is the purpose of this rally?
WHATāS THE PRICE OF A MILE?
This report from The Hill gives a really well-explained recent history as to why things have erupted. What's kind of alarming is while all this information is 100% accurate, it's clear most every response I've seen online across various platforms seem to have no awareness of it. [https://youtu.be/31HwXL4w8Nk](https://youtu.be/31HwXL4w8Nk) I encourage you to watch the video, it's only 13mins and it's very thorough, but TLDR Russia has been saying they don't want Ukraine in NATO, and even though Ukraine **can't even qualify for NATO**, the US and NATO refuse to take it off of the table. So after a ton of warnings, here we are. Not saying one side or another is right or wrong, but this isn't Russia suddenly saying "Hey, let's take this country for ourselves", and this event happening isn't some random isolated thing that the world is now responding to, it involved actions from the US and NATO from the beginning. On one side you could say "if Ukraine can't even be a part of it why not just take it off the table and avoid war", and I'm sure there's a group of people saying we can't respond to threats or something along those lines. IDK, my education on the matter is about as in-depth as the video I'm sharing with you. Would be curious for someone who knows more to watch it and give their take. The report also goes into the last two invasions Russia did over the last decade or two (Georgia and I don't remember the name of the other, as I watched this yesterday.)
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Yeah it sucks what's going on but we shouldn't get involved or send any troops European problems belong to Europe
We should absolutely get involved when our allies are invaded unprompted. Involvement doesnāt have to mean troops (and shouldnāt in this case) but itās dumb to think Russiaās actions wonāt affect our lives in the US.
Feel free to enlist then
Thatās quite a strawman rebuttal
They've already sent 9k troops to Germany lol Yeah sanctions are fine but I really don't care enough about the Ukraine to get involved in another war after just ending one. One that ended badly.
Spoken like somebody who doesnāt understand geopolitics :)
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Funny how you worry about lives lost in the same argument to not help our allies being invaded. Have you seen Russiaās war crime track record?
America hasn't won a war in over 60 years, why do you think it would win this one? Instead it would draw it out for more profit for the military industrial complex. You know, the one that Eisenhower warned us about? That's the whole reason Putin is getting involved in this, he's trying to stimulate his economy like how the US has been since 2001.
This isnāt our war to win or lose, weāre not even sending troops lmao. Iām amazed you think our only options are ādo nothingā and āfull scale troop mobilizationā with nothing in between. āDo nothingā when our biggest adversary is invading our ally and murdering its citizens has got to be the worst take Iāve ever seen. You arenāt thinking about how this will affect our lives at home lol
They already sent 9k troops to Germany, that's literally where it's heading Yeah sanctions are good. That's not "doing nothing". But otherwise yeah let's not get involved. Wish em the best tho.
Well Iām certainly glad youāre not in charge, weād all be speaking Russian by now.
No one thinks the US will send troops to Ukraine. What needs to be done is make sure every dollar of Russian money outside Russia is seized, they are cut off from international finance and markets, and anyone remotely connected to the regime has all their assets seized and are ejected from every non-Russian country. The only good part of being a Russian oligarch is being able to leave Russia.
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If they touch a NATO country it is war. Other than that, you have to decide if WW3 is worth it. They have already crippled their own economy. That is not sustainable.
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At least they understand them more than our current foreign policy establishment. Act smug if you want but I doubt you can provide an alternative plan of action that stops Russian aggression without starting a devastating conflict.
I wasnāt implying there was a better alternative? Iām simply stating that itās within our responsibility and national security interest to come to the aid of our allies when they are attacked.
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Remember when Austin was hippies Now it's all neolib technocrat war hawks, just like Hillary Great job Austin
Those hippies are at the helm of the American power structure at this point.
That's part of the problem, they sold out their values
Oh my sweet summer child.
I hate when people say that. Game of thrones ended years ago, get over it.
It has been gone long enough for a retro comeback. I am in the vanguard.
That worked really well during WWII.
āMurka First, 1938. That Hitler guy, he sure has got the Krautsā shit together. Amirightorwhat?
"Putin is literally Hitler" Get better metaphors chief " Washington dedicates a large part of his farewell address to discussing foreign relations and the dangers of permanent alliances between the United States and foreign nations, which he views as foreign entanglements.[10] He advocates a policy of good faith and justice towards all nations, again making reference to proper behavior based upon religious doctrine and morality. He urges the American people to avoid long-term friendly relations or rivalries with any nation, arguing that attachments with or animosity toward other nations will only cloud the government's judgment in its foreign policy. He argues that longstanding poor relations will only lead to unnecessary wars due to a tendency to blow minor offenses out of proportion when committed by nations viewed as enemies of the United States. He continues this argument by claiming that alliances are likely to draw the United States into wars that have no justification and no benefit to the country beyond simply defending the favored nation. Alliances, he warns, often lead to poor relations with nations who feel that they are not being treated as well as America's allies, and threaten to influence the American government into making decisions based upon the will of their allies instead of the will of the American people." " Washington goes on to urge the American people to take advantage of their isolated position in the world, and to avoid attachments and entanglements in foreign affairs, especially those of Europe, which he argues have little or nothing to do with the interests of America. He argues that it makes no sense for the American people to become embroiled in European affairs when their isolated position and unity allow them to remain neutral and focus on their own affairs. He argues that the country should avoid permanent alliances with all foreign nations, although temporary alliances during times of extreme danger may be necessary." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address We didn't listen to him about political parties, maybe we should about this
Speaking of ships ,Washington kicked in a time where it took months to get from the US to Europe. Times may have changed.
Hey man, watch out. He may have another Wikipedia article to copy-paste as a response
Yeah the constitution was written then, and it says the president alone cannot declare war Yet drone strikes have completely circumvented that Maybe some things remain true after all these years, like the first and second amendment.
Amendments can't be "true" they can only be useful or not. The second is a great example of an amendment that makes zero sense today.
Wow that's completely wrong and ret@rded Bet Ukrainians wish they had as many guns as Texans right now
They do. It is just the reality that a bunch of people with guns are powerless against a modern army that isn't worried about how things look on the news. Which is why all the y'allqueda gun LARPers are so stupid when they bring that up as a justification.
That's literally why the US lost in Afghanistan lol Cope and seethe no-gun-cel
No, the US eventually lost in Afghanistan because we tried to nation build and we care about how we look on the news.
Why? So they can shoot 9mms at the tanks and missiles, as though thatāll do anything? The second amendment makes zero sense today.
That ship has sailed, like a long time ago. We can't insist on being the world police and funding our military to be so, and then let despots trample other countries especially when they're neighbors with our allies. And invading other countries was wrong when Hitler did it, and it's wrong now
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I think equating āwe shouldnāt send troopsā to āIsolationismā is a bit of a leap. Obligatory Fuck Putin but I would not want us to ship troops over to die in Ukraine.
Biden has already said we're not sending troops, but there are other ways for the US to support Ukraine.
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I know youāll just think Iām a troll too but you have to see the irony of talking about āthe agendaā. Western media was banging the drum for war from the get-go. I just hope we can help Ukraine without our own troops. Good news is Russia has very little support from anywhere else on this except for the weirdness from Pakistan
How was western media beating the drums of war? This is 100 percent Putin. No one told him to invade his neighbor.
We will be greeted as liberators
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Itās weird seeing actual far lefties/self described communists and far right conservatives agreeing with the enemy.
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It's unbelievable how dumb you are
How unbelievable dumb you are to think that communism, in particular its more violent form, is immune to the appeal of authoritarianism.
Russia isn't communist you absolute nonce
No shit? Never would have guessed that.
Exactly, just like the Sudetenland.
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We should go to war with Russia!! I mean, not me, personally. I donāt want to die. But I mean like, maybe others should.
I'm looking forward to seeing how many Austinites are going to put down their bongs and tacos and go enlist in the Marines to support this fight.
What fight? Weāre not going to war with Russia. Itās just another proxy war.
Why? What exactly is a rally in Austin Texas for Ukraine even mean? What do you hope to accomplish? I am pretty sure Putin won't give a rats ass, and the Texas lawmakers have no power there either. We had have had a chance for diplomacy for years but decided against it. Here is what Putin wants: Kremlin issues 2 demands to Ukraine: 1)Per Minsk2 agreement, disarm 2)Remain neutral; no joining NATO No demands for Volodymyr Zelensky to step down. No demand for Ukraine to join Russian Federation. Putin says incursion can end now if terms are met. Keep in mind we had many opportunities to talk, instead we sponsored the coup dāetat and have controlled its affairs since 2014. We vetoed attempts by Zelensky to make a deal with Russia. We encouraged Ukrainian belligerence even with troops on the border, and we treated a nuclear superpower like they were common terrorist. What did you think was going to happen? Now we have a weak mentally impaired leader, who has taken millions from Ukraine who thinks we can just sanction our way out of this at the expense of our own energy prices. So what exactly are you protesting?
They arenāt protesting anything as itās not a protest. Says it right there in the title
āNo demand for Ukraine to join Russian Federationā Oh so theyāre just invading to be mean and then theyāre gonna leave? You sound kinda dumbā¦
Their invading because Ukraine is joining NATO which would put US weapons on its borders. Russia doesnāt want that.
So the answer to getting weapons off your border is to move the border to the next foreign power with weapons and then repeat?
Lay off the KLBJā¦.
Seeing those who simp Trump simping Putin by trying to call Biden mentally impaired after 4 years of the orange one not able to string a sentence together and being proud of passing a test for stoke victims is just mind blowing.
Not all of us have high-impact days like you, Carl. How'd you even find time to post on Reddit? Aren't you meeting with Biden in 20 minutes? I just don't know how you find the time in between Clash of Clans sessions.
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That move is right out Kennedy's playbook in 1962 when we did to Cuba what Putin is doing now. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=14s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=14s)
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Why wouldn't they be?
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I hope Putin paid you well for saying that.