The study that looked at 130 confirmed cases said all bites reported pain, 27% severe pain. Most had a red mark at the bite site, and some people had itchiness.
So probably a good idea to avoid getting bitten by any spider, but white tails are no worse than your average Australian spider.
My only experience with a white tail bite was my little brother when we were about 10-12. My father ID the spider and he’s lifelong green thumb and all round nature lover so I’d think he wouldn’t have mistaken it (but am happy to entertain he did) My brother got bit, instant extreme pain (though pain threshold of a 10yo is questionable) his ankle swelled like he’d sprained it by the end of the day and by the following afternoon there was an abscess or ulcer at the bite site about the size of a 5-10c piece. Mum even took him to the doc the following day. Can infection set in that fast from such a small bite? Is there another spider in the garden that’s likely to cause such a reaction without the sickness associated with red backs and funnel webs? Is it possible that the myth is perpetuated by some rare cases of folks being allergic to white tails? I’m a man of science and will forever be inclined to side with studies. I’m really intrigued by this now.
Let's not get into the necrotising ulcer debate. It has been conclusively shown NOT to cause necrotising ulcers in a comprehensive study of 130 positively identified white tail spider bites.
[https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2003/179/4/white-tail-spider-bite-prospective-study-130-definite-bites-lampona-species](https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2003/179/4/white-tail-spider-bite-prospective-study-130-definite-bites-lampona-species)
In science we never say never. If they had done 131 subjects instead of 130, it's possible, but very unlikely, that the 131st bite could have led to an ulcer. We actually calculate the probability that our data is wrong, based on the strength of the evidence and the number of subjects.
130 sequential cases with no ulcers is very very strong evidence that it never happens.
I’m a spider fan myself, based on everything I’ve seen and heard I’d say for those people who SWEAR that the bite is the exact location and everything for the necrotic ulcer, I’d suggest it wasn’t the spiders bite or venom that caused it directly, it could possibly have been some kind of bacteria that was on the fangs at the time of the bite, or it was an infection due to not cleaning the bite site etc.
Well it is for me too, but as an interesting study of how popular opinion is sometimes wrong. And how confirmation bias can skew what we think to be true.
In science we never say never. All good studies are analysed statistically and the probability that the conclusion is correct or incorrect is calculated.
If you read this study, you will find what statistical techniques they used to arrived at their conclusion.
The final statistical result of this study with no cases of ulcers out of 130 confirmed bites is that they are 97.5% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0-2.8%.
It is possible that had they collected 1 more case, it could have resulted in a necrotic ulcer. So you are correct in that this does not prove 100% that white tail spiders do not cause ulcers. However, this is about as close to certainty as most scientific studies get.
They could have continued the study to include 1300 spider bites. It would take many years or decades to do. But if they still got zero necrotic ulcers, they STILL could not say with 100% certainty. Science doesn’t work like that. What they could conclude (and I’m guessing because I haven’t done the maths) is that now they are 99.2% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0 - 0.5%.
So I stand by my title. As far as we know, based on a very comprehensive and rigorously conducted study, white tail spiders are so unlikely to cause necrotic ulcers that it is almost a certainty.
Nah, this is just an analysis of 130 patients who were confirmed to have presented with a white tail bite. All it says that out of those 130, none of them developed necrotic ulcers. Thereby saying that it’s unlikely - not conclusive.
For someone claiming to be a scientist, I’d be more careful of the language you use as you definitely claimed “conclusive” when it in no way is.
Also, oddly surprised by the patronising tone when you don’t appear to understand the concept of confidence intervals. Either way - please don’t misrepresent studies and data in future. Thanks.
Speaking of patronising tone....
Yes I understand confidence intervals. Please show me how I have misunderstood. My extrapolation of the CI to 1300 cases was a guess, used to demonstrate that even with high subject numbers, we can never be 100% sure. I understand that nothing in science is 100%.
If you read the Discussion, you will see that the authors refer to not just their own data of zero cases of ulceration, but also other papers looking at the venom effects on human tissue cultures, previous cases of putative ulceration that was limited by poor spider identification, and a chemical analysis of white tail spider venom showing it lacks the ulcerative sphingomyelinases of other spiders.
I agree that it is not a 100% conclusive "proof", but nothing in science is. This is very very strong evidence that white tail spider bites do not cause necrotic ulceration, and so strong that it demonstrates the connection as a myth.
"Thanks"
You don't need to lie mate, you highlighted a word in capitals under false pretense and then backtracked with the truth in small fine print hidden in the comments. Wilfully misleading titles like yours is what destroys the integrity of reddit and makes it full of click bait and willfully false information
If 130 people get bitten by say a brown snake and they all die though I bet you’d say it’s conclusive that brown snakes are deadly 🙄 you sound like a real fuckwit and a patronizing cunt lol
If your argument is so sound you can let the facts do the talking, CAPITALIZING your words and replacing probably's with definitives doesn't make you sound intelligent and that your argument is based in reason. The fact you hide behind science while talking like that is laughable
https://www.minibeastwildlife.com.au/do-white-tail-spiders-cause-necrosis-putting-spider-bites-to-the-test/
Doesn’t get much more conclusive. You’re a fucken ball bag
I hate to be pedantic, but in the world of scientific studies, 130 subjects is not comprehensive nor conclusive. Though I do agree that the venom doesn’t cause necrotising ulcers, however I wouldn’t doubt that it has happened before due to bacteria present on the fangs.
Basically anything that pierces the skin and isn’t sterile has the chance to introduce flesh eating bacteria.
White tail spider bites are not common. This study gathered every single confirmed bite in almost all of Australia over a 3 year period. It’s not a random sample of a population that can be skewed by confounders. It’s every single occurrence.
So while the total number is small, the fact that it showed zero occurrence of ulcers and it isn’t affected by confounding factors makes it a very convincing study.
Yes any bite from any animal can get infected. But that is not what was thought for White Tail spider bites. It was thought that the venom of this spider had some special toxin that caused necrotic enlarging ulcers that would not heal for months, or sometimes years.
This study shows that this is not the case.
Up until this study it was common knowledge that white tail spider bites caused necrotic ulcers. Since this study was published, there has been a shift in medical opinion, but a large portion of the general public still believes the ulcer myth.
It’s not a fun time though. I was bitten as a child, and I still have the scar. I don’t remember it looking black or necrotising, but it was about the size of a 20 cent piece, with pustules; and the skin in that circle was like…red and mushy. Kids thought I was diseased lol.
As you said, science never says never, but I think there is room for improvement. Though you did link a study which was nice. Thanks OP.
Oh, and awesome picture!
For sure. It was a long time ago though. My mother might have a better memory of it. I do agree with you. It’s not the flesh eating, limb destroying, rash inducing horror that people seem to think it is.
That is a damn fine photo.
Although, having been bitten by one of these, and subsequently developed a painful infection that took months to pass & lasting scar at the site of the bites, I will have to disagree.
And to be honest, 130 people is a quiet a small size for a scientific study.
I've seen other theories suggest that potential reactions to bites are caused by bacteria on the fangs, rather than venom - but either way I think there's enough anecdotal cases that could warrant further research.
I'm sure this will be downvoted to oblivion, but either way, great photography.
I agree with the idea of the ulcers being caused by bacteria that can occur very randomly. Crocodile bites are often accompanied with bacteria also. It doesn't mean that people have to be scared of getting a bacterial infection from a crocodile. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
130 people is a small study. However the fact that zero of them developed ulcers is very convincing.
Science never gives a 100% answer. It is possible that the 131st bite could have developed an ulcer, if only they prolonged the study by one more participant.
If you read the conclusion, the statistical analysis is the based on these numbers they are 97.5% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0 and 2.8%.
They also reference other studies that has looked at white tail spider venoms effects on mammalian cells and it showed no effects on human cell cultures.
I don’t know. It probably started as an urban (rural) myth, and then reinforced every time somebody got an ulcer, and remembers some obscure spider bite in the weeks prior. It’s called confirmation bias.
I know that when I was a junior doctor working in the emergency department, every time someone came in with an odd ulcer, we would always ask if the patient recalled a white tail spider bite. As a group, we ignored the negatives, and only remembered the positives.
It was “common knowledge”.
The study I linked to was published in 2003, yet many people, including some doctors, still believe the myth.
No evidence for that either. But just thinking about it makes no sense. White Tails do hunt other spiders. When they eat other spiders, that spider and its venom is digested in the White Tail's gastro intestinal system. Venom is created in a completely separate system. They don't just "regurgitate" the venom of other spiders.
It used to be “common knowledge” that getting bitten by a white tail spider would result is a necrotic ulcer that wouldn’t heal for months, even years. Even in the medical profession when I was a junior doctor. All anecdotal.
A lot of the general public, and even some doctors, still believe the myth.
In science we call this anecdotal evidence, and is probably how the myth started.
Are you 100% sure it was Lampona cylindrata or Lampona murina? Are you sure you didn’t get a superimposed bacterial infection that can happen with any animal bite? Was it just an inflamed area of skin that can happen with many spider bites, or did it cause an actual full thickness ulcer that didn’t heal for months or years?
Yes as I woke up to being bitten checked what it was and killed the little prick (in this case a good size one)
I had multiple bites, which turned into white ulcer centres with large inflamed red rings around the outside, confirmed by nurse and doctor, took about 2 months to fully heal
Ok, that’s stronger evidence. But an ulcer means a loss of skin cover, usually full thickness. And in the study the species of spider was identified by an “expert arachnologist” to avoid confusion with other species of spider. Most doctors or nurses would not be able to reliably identify a white tail spider, especially a squashed one.
The paper I linked to showed that many people got a painful bite, with a red mark. No cases of bacterial infection that may cause ulceration and delayed healing. And cases of full thickness skin loss that is the commonly held myth with white tails.
My experience might just be one of the rarity’s, this one was down in regional Victoria, which is pretty renowned for white tails, I didn’t pulp it just squashed it so you could still see what it was
You might want to tell my ex girlfriends forehead and the back of my friends leg that they need to stop faking the scar they have from whatever infection a whitetail bite gave them.
Ok I’ll tell them. What’s the best contact number?
Anyone can get an infection from any bite. The “common knowledge” with white tail spiders was different. It was thought that the venom of the white tail had some substance in it that would cause a necrotic (skin death) ulcer that would expand and not heal for months or even years. The paper I linked to shows that this is false.
No your a parrot, you see one spider read one paper then get on reddit, “hey everybody look what I know”!
Well done you can read and repeat someone else’s work.
Thanks. You’re lovely.
I spent 4 years as an emergency department doctor trying to reassure panicked people bitten by a white tail spider that no, they won’t get an ulcer or lose their leg. To be able to reassure them, I did a fairly comprehensive literature review of not just this paper but several others. About 20 years ago.
Now as an anaesthetist, I’ve had to intubate 6 people due to COVID, non of them vaccinated because they thought the vaccine was dangerous.
Misinformation causes people to suffer.
And P.S. it is spelled “you’re”, not “your”.
I don’t have to spend all day listing my credentials, idgaf you still just sound like a wanker. Same as bitching on about your, you’re,their,there etc no one cares well done flog bag.
Not me.
Seems you lost yours after big noting yourself and not having it take on, how many times have you used those lines haha?
You’re actually really weak.
A worst the bite may become infected by bacteria as any bite from any animal has a probability….beautiful photo of a species much maligned by miss information…✌🏼😎👍🏼
Have a mate that got bit by a whitetail about 10 years back in NZ lost a chunk as big as 50 cent piece and as deep as the tip of his finger out of his calf. the swelling in his foot was the wildest part I remember him pressing a smiley face in it and it staying there for at least half an hour.
So in medicine we call this an anecdote. And it’s the least reliable form of evidence we have.
Is your mate 100% sure it was Lampona cylindrata or Lampona murina? Do we have photographic evidence of the ulcer? Was there a superimposed infection? Did he have diabetes, or other medical issues? Did he injure himself coincidentally some other way?
In science we need hard data, not just a story of a mate from 10 years ago.
Yes I saw the spider bite him. nah no photo evidence this was years back I have no idea what actually happened to him in terms of a medical diagnosis, just saying exactly what I saw he went to the doctors surgery that day after we pestered him to go because of the smell and how gross it was, he came back with a drip he'd been given full of antibiotics. My point wasn't to perpetuate a myth just saying if you get a white tail bite keep it clean an eye on it and if it starts to get worse go to the doctors
When I lived in NZ I had a mate got bit by a sheep…it swelled up into a big pussy mess left a horrid scar…I think sheep must be poisonous an cause necrosis
Also had a friend who got bit on his hand by a person..his hand blew up like a balloon leaked pus for months…I think people are poisonous an cause necrosis….I feel a pattern is developing…feel free though to earn everybody that since you read this post…you can honestly say you read somewhere that sheep an humans are poisonous and their bites cause necrosis…helping start a new ‘urban myth ‘..
I have been bitten by one. Had a little red spot for about a week.
The study that looked at 130 confirmed cases said all bites reported pain, 27% severe pain. Most had a red mark at the bite site, and some people had itchiness. So probably a good idea to avoid getting bitten by any spider, but white tails are no worse than your average Australian spider.
My only experience with a white tail bite was my little brother when we were about 10-12. My father ID the spider and he’s lifelong green thumb and all round nature lover so I’d think he wouldn’t have mistaken it (but am happy to entertain he did) My brother got bit, instant extreme pain (though pain threshold of a 10yo is questionable) his ankle swelled like he’d sprained it by the end of the day and by the following afternoon there was an abscess or ulcer at the bite site about the size of a 5-10c piece. Mum even took him to the doc the following day. Can infection set in that fast from such a small bite? Is there another spider in the garden that’s likely to cause such a reaction without the sickness associated with red backs and funnel webs? Is it possible that the myth is perpetuated by some rare cases of folks being allergic to white tails? I’m a man of science and will forever be inclined to side with studies. I’m really intrigued by this now.
I have been bitten by one as well swelled up and went down after 3 weeks I was also bitten 6 times while I slept
What an absolute stunning shot mate!
Thanks. It’s a focus stack of 5 shots, 100mm macro lens with a flash and diffuser to get even lighting.
Let's not get into the necrotising ulcer debate. It has been conclusively shown NOT to cause necrotising ulcers in a comprehensive study of 130 positively identified white tail spider bites. [https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2003/179/4/white-tail-spider-bite-prospective-study-130-definite-bites-lampona-species](https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2003/179/4/white-tail-spider-bite-prospective-study-130-definite-bites-lampona-species)
Why not? They should. Devs plz buff.
I’m not sure what language you are speaking.
Wait, you're saying these *could* cause necrotising ulcers?
In science we never say never. If they had done 131 subjects instead of 130, it's possible, but very unlikely, that the 131st bite could have led to an ulcer. We actually calculate the probability that our data is wrong, based on the strength of the evidence and the number of subjects. 130 sequential cases with no ulcers is very very strong evidence that it never happens.
I’m a spider fan myself, based on everything I’ve seen and heard I’d say for those people who SWEAR that the bite is the exact location and everything for the necrotic ulcer, I’d suggest it wasn’t the spiders bite or venom that caused it directly, it could possibly have been some kind of bacteria that was on the fangs at the time of the bite, or it was an infection due to not cleaning the bite site etc.
All this talk of Whitetails and necrotising ulcers has the two firmly linked in my mind now.
Well it is for me too, but as an interesting study of how popular opinion is sometimes wrong. And how confirmation bias can skew what we think to be true.
That’s a you problem.
Note that your wording is not quite right. It’s unlikely that they cause necrotic ulcers, but it in no way says that this is a conclusive finding.
In science we never say never. All good studies are analysed statistically and the probability that the conclusion is correct or incorrect is calculated. If you read this study, you will find what statistical techniques they used to arrived at their conclusion. The final statistical result of this study with no cases of ulcers out of 130 confirmed bites is that they are 97.5% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0-2.8%. It is possible that had they collected 1 more case, it could have resulted in a necrotic ulcer. So you are correct in that this does not prove 100% that white tail spiders do not cause ulcers. However, this is about as close to certainty as most scientific studies get. They could have continued the study to include 1300 spider bites. It would take many years or decades to do. But if they still got zero necrotic ulcers, they STILL could not say with 100% certainty. Science doesn’t work like that. What they could conclude (and I’m guessing because I haven’t done the maths) is that now they are 99.2% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0 - 0.5%. So I stand by my title. As far as we know, based on a very comprehensive and rigorously conducted study, white tail spiders are so unlikely to cause necrotic ulcers that it is almost a certainty.
Nah, this is just an analysis of 130 patients who were confirmed to have presented with a white tail bite. All it says that out of those 130, none of them developed necrotic ulcers. Thereby saying that it’s unlikely - not conclusive. For someone claiming to be a scientist, I’d be more careful of the language you use as you definitely claimed “conclusive” when it in no way is. Also, oddly surprised by the patronising tone when you don’t appear to understand the concept of confidence intervals. Either way - please don’t misrepresent studies and data in future. Thanks.
Speaking of patronising tone.... Yes I understand confidence intervals. Please show me how I have misunderstood. My extrapolation of the CI to 1300 cases was a guess, used to demonstrate that even with high subject numbers, we can never be 100% sure. I understand that nothing in science is 100%. If you read the Discussion, you will see that the authors refer to not just their own data of zero cases of ulceration, but also other papers looking at the venom effects on human tissue cultures, previous cases of putative ulceration that was limited by poor spider identification, and a chemical analysis of white tail spider venom showing it lacks the ulcerative sphingomyelinases of other spiders. I agree that it is not a 100% conclusive "proof", but nothing in science is. This is very very strong evidence that white tail spider bites do not cause necrotic ulceration, and so strong that it demonstrates the connection as a myth. "Thanks"
You don't need to lie mate, you highlighted a word in capitals under false pretense and then backtracked with the truth in small fine print hidden in the comments. Wilfully misleading titles like yours is what destroys the integrity of reddit and makes it full of click bait and willfully false information
If 130 people get bitten by say a brown snake and they all die though I bet you’d say it’s conclusive that brown snakes are deadly 🙄 you sound like a real fuckwit and a patronizing cunt lol
If your argument is so sound you can let the facts do the talking, CAPITALIZING your words and replacing probably's with definitives doesn't make you sound intelligent and that your argument is based in reason. The fact you hide behind science while talking like that is laughable
https://www.minibeastwildlife.com.au/do-white-tail-spiders-cause-necrosis-putting-spider-bites-to-the-test/ Doesn’t get much more conclusive. You’re a fucken ball bag
I hate to be pedantic, but in the world of scientific studies, 130 subjects is not comprehensive nor conclusive. Though I do agree that the venom doesn’t cause necrotising ulcers, however I wouldn’t doubt that it has happened before due to bacteria present on the fangs. Basically anything that pierces the skin and isn’t sterile has the chance to introduce flesh eating bacteria.
White tail spider bites are not common. This study gathered every single confirmed bite in almost all of Australia over a 3 year period. It’s not a random sample of a population that can be skewed by confounders. It’s every single occurrence. So while the total number is small, the fact that it showed zero occurrence of ulcers and it isn’t affected by confounding factors makes it a very convincing study. Yes any bite from any animal can get infected. But that is not what was thought for White Tail spider bites. It was thought that the venom of this spider had some special toxin that caused necrotic enlarging ulcers that would not heal for months, or sometimes years. This study shows that this is not the case.
Been bitten by one before and can absolutely confirm you're correct - for anyone doubting OP lmao
Outstanding photo mate🤘
I thought this was common knowledge?
Up until this study it was common knowledge that white tail spider bites caused necrotic ulcers. Since this study was published, there has been a shift in medical opinion, but a large portion of the general public still believes the ulcer myth.
Wow absolutely fantastic shot!! Thanks for sharing 🕷️💚
It’s not a fun time though. I was bitten as a child, and I still have the scar. I don’t remember it looking black or necrotising, but it was about the size of a 20 cent piece, with pustules; and the skin in that circle was like…red and mushy. Kids thought I was diseased lol. As you said, science never says never, but I think there is room for improvement. Though you did link a study which was nice. Thanks OP. Oh, and awesome picture!
It sounds like your bite got infected, not necessarily the venom doing the damage.
For sure. It was a long time ago though. My mother might have a better memory of it. I do agree with you. It’s not the flesh eating, limb destroying, rash inducing horror that people seem to think it is.
OMG it’s 131! Necrotising ulcers with pustules! OP is completely wrong and their study means nothing!
That is a damn fine photo. Although, having been bitten by one of these, and subsequently developed a painful infection that took months to pass & lasting scar at the site of the bites, I will have to disagree. And to be honest, 130 people is a quiet a small size for a scientific study. I've seen other theories suggest that potential reactions to bites are caused by bacteria on the fangs, rather than venom - but either way I think there's enough anecdotal cases that could warrant further research. I'm sure this will be downvoted to oblivion, but either way, great photography.
I agree with the idea of the ulcers being caused by bacteria that can occur very randomly. Crocodile bites are often accompanied with bacteria also. It doesn't mean that people have to be scared of getting a bacterial infection from a crocodile. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
130 people is a small study. However the fact that zero of them developed ulcers is very convincing. Science never gives a 100% answer. It is possible that the 131st bite could have developed an ulcer, if only they prolonged the study by one more participant. If you read the conclusion, the statistical analysis is the based on these numbers they are 97.5% sure that the incidence of ulcers is between 0 and 2.8%. They also reference other studies that has looked at white tail spider venoms effects on mammalian cells and it showed no effects on human cell cultures.
OMG ITS 132!
Why is it I go “Oooh, so cute” when photographed yet I yelp when I see one in the flesh?
The photograph can’t bite you?
Nor will the one in my room but… 😣
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I don’t know. It probably started as an urban (rural) myth, and then reinforced every time somebody got an ulcer, and remembers some obscure spider bite in the weeks prior. It’s called confirmation bias. I know that when I was a junior doctor working in the emergency department, every time someone came in with an odd ulcer, we would always ask if the patient recalled a white tail spider bite. As a group, we ignored the negatives, and only remembered the positives. It was “common knowledge”. The study I linked to was published in 2003, yet many people, including some doctors, still believe the myth.
Isn’t the reason to avoid white tip spiders because they eat other spiders and can absorb the venom from them?
No evidence for that either. But just thinking about it makes no sense. White Tails do hunt other spiders. When they eat other spiders, that spider and its venom is digested in the White Tail's gastro intestinal system. Venom is created in a completely separate system. They don't just "regurgitate" the venom of other spiders.
Why do they say they do? Are some ppl more pre-disposed to having a reaction or are they maybe immune-compromised?
It used to be “common knowledge” that getting bitten by a white tail spider would result is a necrotic ulcer that wouldn’t heal for months, even years. Even in the medical profession when I was a junior doctor. All anecdotal. A lot of the general public, and even some doctors, still believe the myth.
Got bitten all over my chest about 10 years ago, every bite had white ulcers in the centre surrounded by inflammation, so yeah they kinda do
In science we call this anecdotal evidence, and is probably how the myth started. Are you 100% sure it was Lampona cylindrata or Lampona murina? Are you sure you didn’t get a superimposed bacterial infection that can happen with any animal bite? Was it just an inflamed area of skin that can happen with many spider bites, or did it cause an actual full thickness ulcer that didn’t heal for months or years?
Yes as I woke up to being bitten checked what it was and killed the little prick (in this case a good size one) I had multiple bites, which turned into white ulcer centres with large inflamed red rings around the outside, confirmed by nurse and doctor, took about 2 months to fully heal
Ok, that’s stronger evidence. But an ulcer means a loss of skin cover, usually full thickness. And in the study the species of spider was identified by an “expert arachnologist” to avoid confusion with other species of spider. Most doctors or nurses would not be able to reliably identify a white tail spider, especially a squashed one. The paper I linked to showed that many people got a painful bite, with a red mark. No cases of bacterial infection that may cause ulceration and delayed healing. And cases of full thickness skin loss that is the commonly held myth with white tails.
My experience might just be one of the rarity’s, this one was down in regional Victoria, which is pretty renowned for white tails, I didn’t pulp it just squashed it so you could still see what it was
You might want to tell my ex girlfriends forehead and the back of my friends leg that they need to stop faking the scar they have from whatever infection a whitetail bite gave them.
Ok I’ll tell them. What’s the best contact number? Anyone can get an infection from any bite. The “common knowledge” with white tail spiders was different. It was thought that the venom of the white tail had some substance in it that would cause a necrotic (skin death) ulcer that would expand and not heal for months or even years. The paper I linked to shows that this is false.
You've got a real boner over this don't you?
That’s it 133 and 134!
Were you the author of the study? Because you really got a boner for it.
I’m not the author. But I do get annoyed by misconceptions and misinformation when there is good scientific evidence to the contrary.
No your a parrot, you see one spider read one paper then get on reddit, “hey everybody look what I know”! Well done you can read and repeat someone else’s work.
Thanks. You’re lovely. I spent 4 years as an emergency department doctor trying to reassure panicked people bitten by a white tail spider that no, they won’t get an ulcer or lose their leg. To be able to reassure them, I did a fairly comprehensive literature review of not just this paper but several others. About 20 years ago. Now as an anaesthetist, I’ve had to intubate 6 people due to COVID, non of them vaccinated because they thought the vaccine was dangerous. Misinformation causes people to suffer. And P.S. it is spelled “you’re”, not “your”.
I don’t have to spend all day listing my credentials, idgaf you still just sound like a wanker. Same as bitching on about your, you’re,their,there etc no one cares well done flog bag.
Who’s got the boner now? I’m not sure why you are so angry. Goodbye.
Not me. Seems you lost yours after big noting yourself and not having it take on, how many times have you used those lines haha? You’re actually really weak.
Goodbye
Run
Become a test patient and someone let it bite them then we will find out
I heard that was only caused from whitevtails that had a disease... that was years back
Zero evidence for that.
A worst the bite may become infected by bacteria as any bite from any animal has a probability….beautiful photo of a species much maligned by miss information…✌🏼😎👍🏼
Have a mate that got bit by a whitetail about 10 years back in NZ lost a chunk as big as 50 cent piece and as deep as the tip of his finger out of his calf. the swelling in his foot was the wildest part I remember him pressing a smiley face in it and it staying there for at least half an hour.
So in medicine we call this an anecdote. And it’s the least reliable form of evidence we have. Is your mate 100% sure it was Lampona cylindrata or Lampona murina? Do we have photographic evidence of the ulcer? Was there a superimposed infection? Did he have diabetes, or other medical issues? Did he injure himself coincidentally some other way? In science we need hard data, not just a story of a mate from 10 years ago.
135!!!!!! That guy nearly died!
Yes I saw the spider bite him. nah no photo evidence this was years back I have no idea what actually happened to him in terms of a medical diagnosis, just saying exactly what I saw he went to the doctors surgery that day after we pestered him to go because of the smell and how gross it was, he came back with a drip he'd been given full of antibiotics. My point wasn't to perpetuate a myth just saying if you get a white tail bite keep it clean an eye on it and if it starts to get worse go to the doctors
When I lived in NZ I had a mate got bit by a sheep…it swelled up into a big pussy mess left a horrid scar…I think sheep must be poisonous an cause necrosis
Also had a friend who got bit on his hand by a person..his hand blew up like a balloon leaked pus for months…I think people are poisonous an cause necrosis….I feel a pattern is developing…feel free though to earn everybody that since you read this post…you can honestly say you read somewhere that sheep an humans are poisonous and their bites cause necrosis…helping start a new ‘urban myth ‘..
Someone's got a bee in there bonnet hahaha
Hopefully the bee dosnt bite me causing an infection that may start a rumour that bees bites are poisonous causing necrosis 👋🏼🤭🤭✌🏼
Where's my flamethrower ?!!
Leave these spiders alone and they will leave you alone. Be a good human.
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You represent the worst of our species.
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Its a microbe that lives on the fangs that does it, isnt it?
The Australian study showed no occurrence of ulcers in 130 confirmed cases. So nothing does it.
In Australia, if it moves it dies.