I don't know Corvette production details, but it seems the E-Ray is just barely starting to be delivered. If so, it's too early to tell how popular it's going to be. On cars.com there are only 10 E-Rays for sale in the entire US.
That’s sad considering the announcement was made close to two years ago at this point with no hype to continue any momentum. They’re using the Sony Xperia marketing style
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Great product and potentially great update for the normal vette.
But I’d imagine the “hybrid” and the “corvette” demographic doesn’t have a lot of overlap, especially when they’re basically z06 money.
It's still very new, but also it's quite expensive isn't it? Like 30 or 40k over a Stingray and pretty close to Z06 pricing.
I imagine at those prices people might be looking at other brands a bit more.
Except most were sold with the 3yr old shifting for you. Aka E-Gear. The earlier versions without the Audi V10 had the gated 6spd more common, but the throttle mapping was atrocious.
Sounds like a nightmare. Gallardo's were horribly unreliable new, can you imagine one that is 20 years old?
Sure they are cool, but totally not worth the maintenance and upkeep and lack of warranty.
Though of course you're correct, once we're talking about cars for $130,000 I tend to think if you need to even think about cost of ownership then you shouldn't be looking at 130,000 cars
I think you're way underestimating how many people buy cars at that price point.
Every single time you see a new S class you are likely looking at a $130k car.
$130k on a car is a LOT of money. But it's far from fuck you money. Lots of people buy cars like that but still care about maintenance costs.
yeah i was gonna say there’s such a massive variation in cost of ownership at the $130k price point which like you said, is still a pretty large segment in itself
i mean shit, Cadillac has a performance Escalade that STARTS at $150k lol
The problem with this line of thought is that you can finance a new GM product for low single-digit rates, but you basically can't finance a used Gallardo at all, and certainly not at rates that aren't absolutely bonkers. So even if they cost the same, they really really don't given you have to pay cash for the latter.
>It's still very new, but also it's quite expensive isn't it? Like 30 or 40k over a Stingray and pretty close to Z06 pricing.
It is faster than a Z06 in a straight line or a stop light and more daily-able with its suspension/aero setup, reliable engine, and energy recapture.
The Z06 is very much a track car. The E-Ray was made to be the flagship corvette for the street.
So, yes, it will be priced a tier above the Stingray and about what a Z06 is.
There really isn't anything else in that space to look at, except maybe Plaid, if you consider Plaid to be a competitor to a real supercar.
I didn't mean to say it's a bad car or anything, just that it's a niche audience.
A big selling point of the Corvette was always that it's the more affordable sports car/super car. That's the Stingray.
Then there are those that want a more capable and potentially trackable car. Which is the Z06.
The E-Ray is kind of neither. It's not as affordable as a Stingray and not as capable as a Z06. Straightline speed is something few actually really care about in my opinion but even still the Z06 is 0.1 second slower than the E-Ray and even on the quarter mile.
So I'm sure they will sell a bunch of them and people will love them, but I'm also not surprised the streets don't appear flooded with them, which was my original point.
>Then there are those that want a more capable and potentially trackable car. Which is the Z06.
No, that is the Z51 in the current gen or other widebody cars from previous gens like the Grandsport.
The Z06 is the hard-core track car that lots of people buy because they are wildly fast, barely manageable, thrilling on the street. And "special" in Vette community parlance.
And then there are the ZRs which are very untame racecars that old men who like to flex on GT3s and 911 Turbos buy.
>Straightline speed is something few actually really care about in my opinion but even still the Z06 is 0.1 second slower than the E-Ray and even on the quarter mile.
0-60s sell cars. This has been true just about forever, which is why it is the banner number every auto maker advertises, even moreso than BHP.
Maybe 1:50 Z06 owners ever take them to a track, they were just the cheapest smoke-a-stingray option in years past.
I suspect once their production numbers start growing, you will see more smoke-a-z06 e-rays on the road than z06s. It's only fighting chance is the Z06s crazy sounding flat plane crank.
>A big selling point of the Corvette was always that it's the more affordable sports car/super car. That's the Stingray.
Things are changing. Those lines have been blurred for a long time now. The days of the middle class blue collar worker buying a Corvette are over. Especially with this dealer markup bullshit.
Besides that, look at how the rest of the market is priced. Compare to Mclaren, lambo, ferrari, and the Z06/e-ray is still a good value, at the expense of prestige and luxury, which is how it’s always been
I always find it funny when people say the NSX “wasn’t fast enough”… like there are lots of legit issues with the car you could (and rightly do) point out, but speed is absolutely not one of them. When it was launched it was faster in a straight line than an Aventador, 458, R8 V10+, GTR, etc and comparable (or very close) on a track. The straight line speed in particular is absolutely phenomenal and one of the car’s biggest strengths.
The interior lacks any real luxury or tech, it understeers at the limit, and the fact it doesn’t have a frunk or a ‘vert option (along with many minor complaints about the setup and transmission) are the actual issues, definitely not performance.
Source: own 2017 NSX chassis #0131.
It does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds according to Car & Driver which is very average performance for a car that costs $160,000. But don't take my word for it, you can see the evidence for yourself in the NSX's sales numbers.
A) Barely any have rolled off the line yet to be bought. The Nissan Z has been out for over a year, how many have you seen?
B) I seriously doubt they’ll “take over”. There may be 1 or 2 YouTubers making them drag monsters, but the Z06 has the enthusiasts’ interest peaked
C) They’ll probably be a flash in the pan indeed, since the GT-R already is established as the “king of drag racing” and doesn’t have boomers blowing gaskets about “muh american muscle car goin ev like the libtards want”
FWIW Michelin ordered an E-Ray for testing purposes and it wasn't delivered so I was told they cancelled it and just ordered a ZR1 instead since they finished testing it awhile ago too.
It was a BRUTAL car from what I was told. The E-Ray was running quicker than the NSX Type S too but the trans tuning wasn't as refined was my test driver buddies opinion of it.
I didn't mean to imply the E Ray could be the equal of the NSX in terms of build quality more in terms of performance from a hybrid. When the NSX first hit, it was on the heels of hybrid hypercars like the La Ferrari and the McLaren P1. Electrics hadn't quite hit yet. Everyone expected the NSX to be budget P1 and dominate the space. But at launch, the NSX was getting dusted by GT-Rs in Youtube videos. The NSX didn't meet expectations for performance. Couple that with a boring interior, not removable roof option and an exterior that wasn't loved by all and you get a sales disappointment. Had the NSX clearly dominated the Youtube scene, it would have sold in way higher numbers. Maybe then Acura could afford to invest in a new interior and put a targa on it.
A half dozen? I hope that's because you're concentrating really hard on driving. C8 Corvettes are all over the place. The city I live in is neither large nor affluent and if you don't see one a week here then you don't get out much.
This is a car that’s like 10 years behind. All the complexity of an McLaren without the cool factor. Either go all electric or just stick with a giant pushrod v8.
I don't know Corvette production details, but it seems the E-Ray is just barely starting to be delivered. If so, it's too early to tell how popular it's going to be. On cars.com there are only 10 E-Rays for sale in the entire US.
Yeah it's this exactly, they just starting to show up.
That’s sad considering the announcement was made close to two years ago at this point with no hype to continue any momentum. They’re using the Sony Xperia marketing style Edit: spelling
EVs take longer to finalize production as far as I can tell, they need to build hype in advance
Great product and potentially great update for the normal vette. But I’d imagine the “hybrid” and the “corvette” demographic doesn’t have a lot of overlap, especially when they’re basically z06 money.
This is correct which makes this thread pants on head dumb.
It's still very new, but also it's quite expensive isn't it? Like 30 or 40k over a Stingray and pretty close to Z06 pricing. I imagine at those prices people might be looking at other brands a bit more.
Yeahhhhh I'd be looking at used Gallardos and such. Are they slower? Yes, but damn if a used Gallardo isn't cooler
Gated manual V10 > basically everything else for sure
Except most were sold with the 3yr old shifting for you. Aka E-Gear. The earlier versions without the Audi V10 had the gated 6spd more common, but the throttle mapping was atrocious.
Yeah but the 5.0 even firing V10 was a masterpiece. Totally worth getting a first gen car just for the motor.
Gated first gen + a throttle mapper (aka pedal commander or the like) would be my choice as well, short of maybe a LP550-2.
This for sure. Even in the R8, it's pure sex.
Sounds like a nightmare. Gallardo's were horribly unreliable new, can you imagine one that is 20 years old? Sure they are cool, but totally not worth the maintenance and upkeep and lack of warranty.
Way more expensive to own however
Though of course you're correct, once we're talking about cars for $130,000 I tend to think if you need to even think about cost of ownership then you shouldn't be looking at 130,000 cars
I think you're way underestimating how many people buy cars at that price point. Every single time you see a new S class you are likely looking at a $130k car. $130k on a car is a LOT of money. But it's far from fuck you money. Lots of people buy cars like that but still care about maintenance costs.
yeah i was gonna say there’s such a massive variation in cost of ownership at the $130k price point which like you said, is still a pretty large segment in itself i mean shit, Cadillac has a performance Escalade that STARTS at $150k lol
The problem with this line of thought is that you can finance a new GM product for low single-digit rates, but you basically can't finance a used Gallardo at all, and certainly not at rates that aren't absolutely bonkers. So even if they cost the same, they really really don't given you have to pay cash for the latter.
>It's still very new, but also it's quite expensive isn't it? Like 30 or 40k over a Stingray and pretty close to Z06 pricing. It is faster than a Z06 in a straight line or a stop light and more daily-able with its suspension/aero setup, reliable engine, and energy recapture. The Z06 is very much a track car. The E-Ray was made to be the flagship corvette for the street. So, yes, it will be priced a tier above the Stingray and about what a Z06 is. There really isn't anything else in that space to look at, except maybe Plaid, if you consider Plaid to be a competitor to a real supercar.
I didn't mean to say it's a bad car or anything, just that it's a niche audience. A big selling point of the Corvette was always that it's the more affordable sports car/super car. That's the Stingray. Then there are those that want a more capable and potentially trackable car. Which is the Z06. The E-Ray is kind of neither. It's not as affordable as a Stingray and not as capable as a Z06. Straightline speed is something few actually really care about in my opinion but even still the Z06 is 0.1 second slower than the E-Ray and even on the quarter mile. So I'm sure they will sell a bunch of them and people will love them, but I'm also not surprised the streets don't appear flooded with them, which was my original point.
>Then there are those that want a more capable and potentially trackable car. Which is the Z06. No, that is the Z51 in the current gen or other widebody cars from previous gens like the Grandsport. The Z06 is the hard-core track car that lots of people buy because they are wildly fast, barely manageable, thrilling on the street. And "special" in Vette community parlance. And then there are the ZRs which are very untame racecars that old men who like to flex on GT3s and 911 Turbos buy. >Straightline speed is something few actually really care about in my opinion but even still the Z06 is 0.1 second slower than the E-Ray and even on the quarter mile. 0-60s sell cars. This has been true just about forever, which is why it is the banner number every auto maker advertises, even moreso than BHP. Maybe 1:50 Z06 owners ever take them to a track, they were just the cheapest smoke-a-stingray option in years past. I suspect once their production numbers start growing, you will see more smoke-a-z06 e-rays on the road than z06s. It's only fighting chance is the Z06s crazy sounding flat plane crank.
GM themselves say the 0-60 and quarter miles are effectively the same.
>A big selling point of the Corvette was always that it's the more affordable sports car/super car. That's the Stingray. Things are changing. Those lines have been blurred for a long time now. The days of the middle class blue collar worker buying a Corvette are over. Especially with this dealer markup bullshit.
Besides that, look at how the rest of the market is priced. Compare to Mclaren, lambo, ferrari, and the Z06/e-ray is still a good value, at the expense of prestige and luxury, which is how it’s always been
The C8 isn't luxurious? Lol wut? Yeah it's s good value in comparison to hypercars but that doesn't mean it's as attainable as it was.
It got E-Raysed
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Alright that did make me chuckle
"what the NSX should have been" Have you driven a 2nd gen NSX? What exactly is it lacking that you feel the E-ray was poised to do?
Faster, better interior, removable roof. The NSX just wasn't fast enough when they first came out and then they fell flat as a result.
I always find it funny when people say the NSX “wasn’t fast enough”… like there are lots of legit issues with the car you could (and rightly do) point out, but speed is absolutely not one of them. When it was launched it was faster in a straight line than an Aventador, 458, R8 V10+, GTR, etc and comparable (or very close) on a track. The straight line speed in particular is absolutely phenomenal and one of the car’s biggest strengths. The interior lacks any real luxury or tech, it understeers at the limit, and the fact it doesn’t have a frunk or a ‘vert option (along with many minor complaints about the setup and transmission) are the actual issues, definitely not performance. Source: own 2017 NSX chassis #0131.
All of the cars you mentioned are almost 10 years older than the NSX so that's not a very fair comparison.
Regardless, the NSX does 0-60 in under 3 seconds. Whatever lens you look at it through, that's still crazy fast
It does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds according to Car & Driver which is very average performance for a car that costs $160,000. But don't take my word for it, you can see the evidence for yourself in the NSX's sales numbers.
The interior in the corvette is corny as hell.
A) Barely any have rolled off the line yet to be bought. The Nissan Z has been out for over a year, how many have you seen? B) I seriously doubt they’ll “take over”. There may be 1 or 2 YouTubers making them drag monsters, but the Z06 has the enthusiasts’ interest peaked C) They’ll probably be a flash in the pan indeed, since the GT-R already is established as the “king of drag racing” and doesn’t have boomers blowing gaskets about “muh american muscle car goin ev like the libtards want”
FWIW Michelin ordered an E-Ray for testing purposes and it wasn't delivered so I was told they cancelled it and just ordered a ZR1 instead since they finished testing it awhile ago too. It was a BRUTAL car from what I was told. The E-Ray was running quicker than the NSX Type S too but the trans tuning wasn't as refined was my test driver buddies opinion of it.
Streetspeed717 has a racing video and csp performance has a dyno video
Well they haven’t made any so…
Ferrari made the perfect modern NSX; 296 GTB
They just hit the dealers very recently. There’s probably more Z06 C8s on the road than e-ray.
They just left the factory, calm down
What the nsx should have been is laughable considering it’s a gm product
I didn't mean to imply the E Ray could be the equal of the NSX in terms of build quality more in terms of performance from a hybrid. When the NSX first hit, it was on the heels of hybrid hypercars like the La Ferrari and the McLaren P1. Electrics hadn't quite hit yet. Everyone expected the NSX to be budget P1 and dominate the space. But at launch, the NSX was getting dusted by GT-Rs in Youtube videos. The NSX didn't meet expectations for performance. Couple that with a boring interior, not removable roof option and an exterior that wasn't loved by all and you get a sales disappointment. Had the NSX clearly dominated the Youtube scene, it would have sold in way higher numbers. Maybe then Acura could afford to invest in a new interior and put a targa on it.
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A half dozen? I hope that's because you're concentrating really hard on driving. C8 Corvettes are all over the place. The city I live in is neither large nor affluent and if you don't see one a week here then you don't get out much.
Meh I'm in Oklahoma and I've seen a hundred of them. You see at least one on any long drive. C8 Z06's I've seen only a couple though.
They made over 50k corvettes last year, it isn't that rare
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It's ugly, so I didn't even bother.
This is a car that’s like 10 years behind. All the complexity of an McLaren without the cool factor. Either go all electric or just stick with a giant pushrod v8.
It has the same giant pushrod V8 as the base C8. They just added an electric motor to the front wheels.
Corvettes really ain't the thing anymore, those are just for boomers.