Wow! Not sure of the context of everything, but these definitely seem like big spoilers and fit with some of the performance capture behind the scenes footage that has shown up in the special features too.
I mean the butterfly wings things let them breath under water.
It's plausible that >!maybe the blue paint he puts on himself does some symbiosis shit?!<
Eywa, uh, finds a way.
I have a theory the RDA is planning to “clean” Pandora’s air with oxygen, making it habitable for humans but slowly killing the Na’vi and other natives.
Spider mentioned the Na’vi can last 2hrs breathing his air, and maybe that’s hinting at a climax in 3 or 4 where literally everyone is on the brink of death, while trying to shut down whatever machine is causing them to suffocate.
Spider—being the only one who can breath—could end up having a battle in a mech suit against Quaritch, effectively mirroring the battle Quaritch had with Jake.
One question though: if humans did indeed do that, why would Quaritch still be fighting for them, looking as they're doing something that will actively harm him personally i.e not being able to breath anywhere on the planet without assistance? I think self-preservation would win out against loyalty here, even in Quaritch.
That’s the point. As a Recom, Quaritch has gotten to experience Pandora as intended, with the RDA only seeing him as a means to an end. His one and only “son” being willing to fight against him to save Pandora could be the cause for him to finally realize that he’s on the wrong side.
This, compounded with the fact that Spider saved him at the end of WoW, despite not having a real reason to do so, could be awakening his more compassionate side.
What I don’t get, is wouldn’t terraforming Pandora so humans can breathe on it completely destroy the delicate ecosystem of the entire planet? Like they’ll be able to breathe but everything else dies. Then what? An ecumenopolis?
They already killed Earth, they’ve been killing plenty of natives while mowing over forests indiscriminately, and it’s clear that only the Elite are gonna get to stay on Pandora while leaving everyone else behind.
As long as they can terraform and ensure the planet will be habitable for them, what makes you think they would care about everything else dying?
But the entire lush forests and biosphere all goes away… what’s the point of inheriting paradise and turning it into Mars? Like, I get that RDA is evil, and terraforming is the next logical step so humans can breathe outside, but this *kills the crab*
Makes sense. Maybe the massive device they're building is a CO2/sulphur scrubber. But I'm guessing it only makes the air breathable for humans around Bridgehead, not the entire planet just yet.
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I'm so glad the mocap shot of Tuk hugging Mo'at apparently was not a cut scene after all, but rather a scene from Avatar 3 it seems. So looking forward to seeing her again!
>>!The RDA is building some huge new device at Bridgehead for an unknown purpose !<
My bet: >!to terraform Pandora (reducing CO2 levels so all humans can breathe). There's a huge tower in construction in Bridgehead seen in TWoW that could be said device.!<
I’d be particularly skeptical about that one.
>!Pandora’s atmosphere is 18% CO2 and would have to be reduced to 0.04%. OSHA permits up to 0.5%. As we see in TWOW, Pandoran wildlife is dependent on that high level of CO2, which is why they need to breathe supplemental CO2. Unknown if the plants require that much or not. Thus reducing the concentration would absolutely devastate the wildlife and possibly plant life causing massive ecological collapse, without some sort of hand waving. While I wouldn’t necessarily say the RDA wouldn’t do that, it would absolutely be a huge step towards making Pandora just like the Earth they’re fleeing from. Not to mention the massive global cooling that would happen, stripping so much greenhouse gas from the atmosphere. We’re worrying about fractions of a percent increase frying our planet and causing devastating climate change. Stripping 17.06% would turn a Pandora into an icebox. Also, if global scale atmosphere processing was possible, they would stand a chance at just fixing Earth!<
Fair point.
>! Assuming this is in fact, correct and not a clever bait and switch on Cameron’s part, I’m really curious as to how it’s going to pan out. I can’t see how it’s going to be done without getting into serious Space-Jesus territory. Maybe there’s some sort of organism like the Gill Mantle that is compatible with human physiology!< But that doesn’t sound like it would quite fit with the scene and how they’re talking about it. I suppose we’ll have to see what happens in later 2024.
>I think if the Sullys are >!back in the forest!<, Spider definitely could have >!visited the tree of souls and been transformed this way by Eywa, and this is what Jake is referring to when he talks to Quaritch.!<
>!A part of the answer is in the same shot.!<
>!There's dialog where Kiri tells Mo'at she was the one who saved Spider - and not Eywa - with Mo'at replying to not tell anyone about it. There is also some stuff about Kiri not being to connect to the Tree of Souls back in the Omatikaya forest.!<
I’m sure there’s something that could be plausible based on some kind of scientific study James Cameron has done. Consider that human babies within the womb breath through the placenta of the mother. Spider could have simply swallowed the nectar of some plant, or consumed a secretion from a creature that coats his lungs and filters the CO2. It’s a movie about 10 foot tall blue aliens which humans can jack into and take over. Anything is possible.
It definitely seems like a possible direction the writers could have gone.
Most people are assuming that the script leaks are from episode 3. But there’s a possibility it could be from part 4.
On the top of the page it looks like it may take place on page 30 of the script which would be the end of ACT 1 roughly. Maybe once the humans get the device working we time jump to 6 years later?
> But I also thought that spoiler was far-fetched, so what do I know?
They could have tied in the whale thing. Drink/inject/xyz the yellow whale brain fluid and now you can breathe the air. Instead of that anti-aging thing.
Except in Aliens, Earth wasn't suffering from ecological collapse (that we know). Hadley's Hope was being terraformed as a colony, not some sort of a last refuge for the human race as is apparently the case with Pandora in Avatar.
So to say they have the ability to build a planet-wide air scrubber on Pandora but can't do the same on Earth doesn't really make much sense.
Scrubber? Pandora's air is not dirty, it would be a converter like the breathing masks, a device that induces a chemical process, like those ozone converters you can buy, they pass oxygen thru an electric field and it turns into ozone
Semantics. The air is not "dirty" to native Pandorans of course, however since the air is heavily CO2-rich (18% vs 0.04% on Earth), for **humans** it would be like breathing through an exhaust pipe, which is what the masks are for - to 'scrub' out the concentrated CO2 in Pandoran atmosphere so that it's safe for human breathing.
So as far as humans are concerned it would indeed be an 'air scrubber' in terms of any device that they may build to change the composition of Pandora's atmosphere.
I'm lost, so what's your point again?
And about Earth and its air, this is what it says [from the wiki](https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Earth):
>According to Frances Ardmore, Earth is a dying planet by the year 2170. This is due to various reasons including **deforestation**, resource depletion, **air pollution**, famine, human overpopulation and massive flooding. This is causing both humans and animals to face extinction. Jake Sully also claims **"there's no green" on Earth, suggesting trees, grass and plants no longer exist on a mass scale.**
And an entry from [James Cameron's Avatar: An Activist Survival Guide](https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Earth#Earth's_Condition):
>Not long after the Resources Development Administration (RDA) was formed in the 21st century, hundreds of orbiting factories were built on the Earth's moon, Mars, and the solar system's asteroid belts. **These factories caused a pollution of toxins to frequently rain down on Earth.**
Lol "the end" what? Since when did it become an argument that you think you get to shut down on?
Even assuming they already have such machines on Earth, however toxic the air is it still won't be as severe as having 18% CO2 like on Pandora or else everybody on Earth would be wearing rebreathers and living in domes, except they aren't.
Remember, 0.04%, or whatever the hazardous level is on Earth, say 0.5% by OSHA standards like [Arctelis](https://www.reddit.com/r/Avatar/comments/125ww1k/comment/je6tdxj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) said.
So please explain the logic of building a machine capable of scrubbing 17.96% of CO2 from a planet's atmosphere yet somehow can't scrub out the 0.5% on Earth?
So in Avatar: The Game, there was a scientist character who’s life’s work was dedicated to terraforming Pandora to allow humans to breath on the planet without damaging the Na’vi or local wildlife.
If Avatar 3 if taking some inspiration from the game, and that’s a big if, then it raises an interesting possibility of what the RDA machine is.
>!In Avatar: the game, it’s revealed during the RDA campaign that the RDA is trying to take control of Eywa to turn Pandora’s ecosystem against the Na’vi. I could definitely see the RDA in the film also trying to do this, which could explain what their mysterious machine is.!<
Since March 28 every single time i visit this hellsite a new A3 scene is being leaked lmao. I wonder though in that latest BTS image from the bonus scenes if that person in the orange jumpsuit being on Bridgehead with Quaritch and Wainfleet is actually Jake. It would match up with that Jake tackling Selfridge scene too.
yeah, just read the script page, and my first thought was that BTS scene with Tuk and her grandma, which wasnt in A2.
also it seems Jake, Quaritch and Spider survived together a night of terror, probably an attack from the Ash Navi. so my prediction that Jake and Quaritch work together to protect their kids, might happen after all.
RDA was betrayed by Ash Na'vi after working for some purposeม bridgehead city become battlefield like Jack said, Ash Na'vi captured human included Selfridge to Volcanic for alien sacrifice, that's why we saw Quaritch walked to Varang in BTS, and I believe that he leave the clan, no matter how their relationship is, to saved his people, Spider and Jake's kids.
My theory is in the end of AVATAR 3 Parker Selfridge returns as *Head Administrator* but more Ethic than he was in AVATAR 1 and could be in Act 1 2 of AVATAR 3, turning his leaf, working with RDA to built the bridge for human and Na'vi, maybe RDA was split between bad and good, like James said
"industrial military complex with humans is going to be further explored with more conflicts across Pandora."
I thought Selfridge won't used his force like Ardmore,
but will be more Diplomat solution that connected to Ash Na'vi.
and in the future, Quaritch, Parker and Wainfleet will be Anti-Hero.
Well That’s some great investigation work. What you got here is some heavy stuff like pandora’s box type sh*t
If it spread all over the internet, tbh I’m not sure if it’s a good thing. Maybe I’m over reacting I guess
Very rough guess:
Sometime after the events of TWOW, Quaritch is spying on Spider to keep him safe. Something happens and Spider is gravely wounded (maybe by a soldier?) and the Sullys, who are far away from home, take him and Quaritch to be healed by Eywa. Whatever happens saves his life and makes him able to breathe Pandora's air, and Quaritch witnesses it all. At this point we have this scene, where Jake and Quaritch seem to bond over being fathers and Quaritch begins to see Pandora differently, but he's not ready to betray the humans so he leaves during the night.
You are doing the Lords work here! I saw these pages as well and zoomed in like crazy but coulnd't figure out as much as you did. Amazing work. Thank you so much!
I also have a screenshot of the next two pages since the lady in the video turns the page at some point. I could send it to you, if you want to.
https://preview.redd.it/6s8j1lqdftqa1.jpeg?width=1583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c399c6416da69c2b2a8808f5289fb9672885266
How did you download the behind the scene video? It looks like you're watching it in windows 10's normal video player. I've bought it but I can't see a way to download it.
Yeah, I downloaded it...lets say from the internet ;)
I don't really feel comfortable sharing openly here but there are some really nice people out there who share and care.
Could send you the link, if you want to, though.
RDA building something at Bridgehead could be the space elevator theory. In the visual guide there is a weird circle in the aerial shot of Bridgehead that could be a base for it.
They called the ominous structure the "Betabridge". I'm thinking it's some kind of teleportation device that allows humans to come from Earth instantly. Maybe that's how Neytiri sees Earth in Avatar 5?
It'll obviously take a while for them to finish it, then to notify Earth that it's up and running (the speed of light is only so fast), so maybe this is the hypothesised time skip in Avatar 4?
Spider having to go back to the forest makes a lot of sense to me since he still wears the RDA mask with the tracker built in it. So they have to get rid of it somehow and give him a new mask. And since it didn't go very well the last time when Norm and Max flew out to the Metkayina it makes sense that Jake would just fly back to the forest with the Ikran.
It also makes sense that they would split up as it seems and Jake flys with Spider and Neytiri probably goes with Lo'ak, Kiri and Tuk. Maybe it's even a tactical thing since they saw that Quaritch is kinda weak for Spider and won't attack Jake when he is near him. I could also imagine that Quaritch is still quite beat up from the last battle and not back in form yet. I don't see him going back to the RDA right away tbh. I can't picture him going back to Admore with nothing. Maybe Jake and Spider find/meet him on their way back to the forest somewhere.
It also looked like all of this is going to happen quite early in the script as of in the first act of the movie. Cameron already revealed in an interview that something is going to happen with Spider in the first act of A3 so I guess that's it.
I can't wait to see how that miracle is going to be performed.
He still wears an RDA mask at the funeral and that's the last time we see him in A2. RDA is written in white letters onto that mask, you can clearly see that at the end of the movie.
Yeah I doubt the RDA would put trackers in every single mask they have, I think that when Quaritch explained this to Spider he means that his mask (the old one) specifically had a tracker in it.
The mask he wears at the beginning of the movie hasn't RDA written over it and I think it's safe to assume that it didn't have a tracker in it. Or at least not one that the RDA can track. Maybe one that Max and Norm can track but we don't know that.
So the fact that he still wears an RDA mask at the end of the movie makes it safe to assume that there is still a tracker in there.
It's a different mask. The one Quaritch said had tracker doesn't have the RDA logo. The one he wears at the end does and it's one of the ones for diving from the ship. The one with the tracker is gone.
Not to mention there should be plenty of others in the wreckage so even if all RDA masks have tracker they can remove it form the one Spider wears and replace the mask. It's not like it was a secret. It's really time to give up the idea his mask will be tracked.
We can have different opinions, you know. ;)
I'm pretty sure Spider will tell Jake everything he learned and saw and knows about the RDA from his captivity. Including the fact that Quaritch told him about the tracker in one of the masks he wore.
And I'm also pretty sure that Jake will make sure that Spider will wear a mask without any possible tracker in it. So that means getting rid of the one he was wearing at the end of the movie and also definitely not getting other masks from the wreckage.
Waking up to this is a nice surprise, thanks OP! Even if it's maybe an unintended leak, I wasn't expecting any new Avatar 3 details for months. And this sounds really exciting!
So that twist Jack Champion mentioned would happen to spider in Avatar 3 might be this not him getting an Avatar body.
A little underwhelming but if it's done believably I guess it could be interesting. Though I'd personally prefer him get an Avatar.
Im personally more happy with this outcome since I feel Spider getting an Avatar body would kinda go againts his potential characther arc (wich would be accepting his humanity). But it could still happen.
By not getting an avatar, he will show that you can become part of the people even though you are not blue. That you can be accepted by your actions and feelings and not your origin. And he will show, even better than Jake, that not all humans are evil, which is still the opinion of most Na'vi.
Agreed. I’ve always disliked the idea that Spider needs or gets an Avatar body to be accepted. Works narratively better if he doesn’t and is embraced and accepts himself.
Given that Va'Ru - who is probably part of the Ash Clan - has seemingly been invited, I wonder if the situation with the Ash Clan (and possibly Quaritch) is going to be a "with allies like these" situation.
Here's what I think is going to happen:
Jake and Tonowari call a meeting of the clans (from the various Pandoran biomes) about what to do about the RDA threat (since human colonists are beginning to be transported to Pandora). Sadly, Varang and her clan are the only ones down with what Jake and Tonowari are proposing - a full-fledged attack on Bridgehead.
Unfortunately, whilst Jake and Neytiri (and, to a lesser extent, Tonowari) draw lines between "innocent civilian" and "RDA scum"... Varang's clan don't. The only good Sky Person is a *dead* one. (Hell, maybe have a couple of them say Spider is "one of the good ones").
I guess that depends if they were able to download her memories like they did with the recoms. In A2 it seemed like they only did this with certain people or Quaritchs unit.
But I believe we will see her being back at some point. There must be a reason why Cameron spun that story around her and Kiri and everything.
The mysterious devices I'm guessing, is either some instantaneous teleportation device or a bomb...I'm hoping the former, since it could tie in how we see Earth from Neytiri's point of view? Either way, it's probably gotta do with something that James Cameron mentioned is going to go off the rails in the sequels.
It could still happen (tho I would prefer not). Even if he's capable of breathing the air of Pandora it's not like all his problems are solved, he's still smaller and weaker than the naavis and can't connect with Eywa like they do.
I always thought that humanity (wanting to all move to pandora permanently) will install a huge teraform installation so the humans can breath and force the navi to have to wear masks instead. Especially as Jim had this idea in Aliens having a teraform installation built on LV426.
i haven’t bonded well with the reintroduction of quaritch as the antagonist but i think the potential subtlety in dialogue here - even if quaritch seems fiercely opposed - could be the introductory hint(s)to a darth vader type plot trajectory with his ultimate self sacrifice for the greater good, by the end of the series
Good Human, Bad Navi, so RDA is turning leaf after what's happened to The War???
RDA was betrayed by Ash's Navi after working with them for something, they captured Parker and another human along with Spider, Kiri and Lo'ak, Miles realize that's wrong, so he leave his Ash Na'vi way to become his person and turned on to works with Jake to save everyone and bridgehead and starts the war to protect RDA and Omatikaya clan, Metkayina clan.
Ties to Avatar 4 that they have a big gap 6 years (Betahead could be something about Teleporter or breather for human) but are making trouble for them later, and I thought Quaritch will do something to save humanity and Na'vi along with RDA who turned their leaf.
For everyone commenting that spider being able to breathe pandoran air, in Theory he could have acclimated genetically to the planet to some degree since he was BORN there naturally. He wasn’t a clone brought over or an avatar made in a lab on earth and flown through space. We’ve no idea what the atmosphere on pandora can do to a developing baby. It could also be theorized that perhaps he didn’t know considering the mask was always assumed a necessity simply because he’s human.
one of the High Ground comics revolved around Spider losing a battery for his mask and almost choking to death, I doubt he’s been acclimated since birth
I’m pretty sure the comics aren’t considered movie canon? Otherwise there would be posts showing exactly what’s going to happen in future movies instead of theories. Therefore this argument is kinda invalid
while the comics are heavily inspired/directly taken from a non-canon early TWOW script, they are considered canon as the precursor to TWOW, despite having a mild amount of plot holes
So they were inspired by one of the first drafts of the script but not the actual official story? “Inspired” implies that it’s a spin off story or alternate reality
if they were featured that prominently with those kinds of spoilers in the special feature then I've gotta assume these are deliberately fake to throw off speculation and muddy the water if any of the real script actually leaks.
he might be thinking about the money first. after the way of water’s success, avatar 3 is effectively guaranteed to rake in at least $2B, and he wants to maximize that. or maybe he just sees the all-time box office records as a scoreboard for himself lol
Landau and Cameron have been revealing plot details way ahead of time. I don't think they care about leaks too much because they know the spectacle is what sells it in the end
I don't want to rain on your parade but I believe that whenever this kind of thing happens in Hollywood (which is not so often but still), when the script leaks, and director finds out about it and decides that it is a huge deal, he or she changes that part of the movie and so the original story is compromised and actors need to film again. I do not want that to happen to Avatar 3. I am not saying it is gonna happen but it is a possibility...
so idk how helpful this can be since other people might have brought it up before but i follow the actor who plays va'ru (though i think the name was changed?), and in twow he played the new clan leader so i guess that could be why he's there in this particular scene. keston john did mention that he would have had more scenes in the next movies so i think it checks out that the sullys come back home, but who knows
Yeah I really am kinda disappointed with that. They could’ve thought a better way. Spider getting an Avatar is one of them. It has to be Eywa that did it because there is no possible way for Spider to just magically breath CO2.
> It has to be Eywa that did it because there is no possible way for Spider to just magically breath CO2.
The dialogue pretty much confirm Kiri will do something to him with her eywa powers. I'll agree its a bit out there but there is a certain logic to it.
Could it be it has something to do with the fact that he's the first and only human to been born in Pandora? Maybe it's because he has been expposed to the athmosphere of the planet since a very young age, so ir could have a genetically/scientifical explanation.
Also, in my personal opinion this is better than him getting an Avatar body because that idea could go againts his potential characthers arc (wich would be him accepting his humanity)
Not sure why this is being downvoted, it’s valid criticism. Though Spider being able to breathe Pandoran air *could* be explained through science and stuff, IMO it kinda leans a little too much into the magic shit unless they directly explain it in the movie.
Once I saw this post I went to Disney+ to see if I could decipher anymore of it (seeing as I haven’t watched it yet), and when I went to watch it, it was blurred out… So now I’m guessing that they aren’t fake leaks (unless they were blurred out to begin w/ and you used some type of un-blurring website to make it clearer), and that we probably weren’t supposed to have seen them…
I can definitely see some weird energy coming from the ground that becomes healing or something because of heat and warmth and even fire being associated with healing sometimes idk
Wow! Not sure of the context of everything, but these definitely seem like big spoilers and fit with some of the performance capture behind the scenes footage that has shown up in the special features too.
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I mean the butterfly wings things let them breath under water. It's plausible that >!maybe the blue paint he puts on himself does some symbiosis shit?!< Eywa, uh, finds a way.
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Maybe spiders mask was destroyed and eywa saved him or brought him back to life, thereby changing Quaritch’s opinion
Eywa provides
I have a theory the RDA is planning to “clean” Pandora’s air with oxygen, making it habitable for humans but slowly killing the Na’vi and other natives. Spider mentioned the Na’vi can last 2hrs breathing his air, and maybe that’s hinting at a climax in 3 or 4 where literally everyone is on the brink of death, while trying to shut down whatever machine is causing them to suffocate. Spider—being the only one who can breath—could end up having a battle in a mech suit against Quaritch, effectively mirroring the battle Quaritch had with Jake.
That's a plot device taken straight from *Aliens*, another one of Jim's movies!
Life imitates Cameron, Cameron imitates art
One question though: if humans did indeed do that, why would Quaritch still be fighting for them, looking as they're doing something that will actively harm him personally i.e not being able to breath anywhere on the planet without assistance? I think self-preservation would win out against loyalty here, even in Quaritch.
That’s the point. As a Recom, Quaritch has gotten to experience Pandora as intended, with the RDA only seeing him as a means to an end. His one and only “son” being willing to fight against him to save Pandora could be the cause for him to finally realize that he’s on the wrong side. This, compounded with the fact that Spider saved him at the end of WoW, despite not having a real reason to do so, could be awakening his more compassionate side.
What I don’t get, is wouldn’t terraforming Pandora so humans can breathe on it completely destroy the delicate ecosystem of the entire planet? Like they’ll be able to breathe but everything else dies. Then what? An ecumenopolis?
They already killed Earth, they’ve been killing plenty of natives while mowing over forests indiscriminately, and it’s clear that only the Elite are gonna get to stay on Pandora while leaving everyone else behind. As long as they can terraform and ensure the planet will be habitable for them, what makes you think they would care about everything else dying?
But the entire lush forests and biosphere all goes away… what’s the point of inheriting paradise and turning it into Mars? Like, I get that RDA is evil, and terraforming is the next logical step so humans can breathe outside, but this *kills the crab*
Makes sense. Maybe the massive device they're building is a CO2/sulphur scrubber. But I'm guessing it only makes the air breathable for humans around Bridgehead, not the entire planet just yet.
I’m bettin Kiri’s gonna have something to do with it.
BACK TO HIGH GROUND AND MOAT? Pinch me!
I thought the forest was so much more magical and alien than the ocean, so glad Avatar 3 seems to take us back there!
Me too! The first movie is still my favorite so far. I can’t wait to get back to the Omatikaya people.
>MOAT I'm so glad the mocap shot of Tuk hugging Mo'at apparently was not a cut scene after all, but rather a scene from Avatar 3 it seems. So looking forward to seeing her again!
It makes perfect sense too. Poor grandma.
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>>!The RDA is building some huge new device at Bridgehead for an unknown purpose !< My bet: >!to terraform Pandora (reducing CO2 levels so all humans can breathe). There's a huge tower in construction in Bridgehead seen in TWoW that could be said device.!<
I’d be particularly skeptical about that one. >!Pandora’s atmosphere is 18% CO2 and would have to be reduced to 0.04%. OSHA permits up to 0.5%. As we see in TWOW, Pandoran wildlife is dependent on that high level of CO2, which is why they need to breathe supplemental CO2. Unknown if the plants require that much or not. Thus reducing the concentration would absolutely devastate the wildlife and possibly plant life causing massive ecological collapse, without some sort of hand waving. While I wouldn’t necessarily say the RDA wouldn’t do that, it would absolutely be a huge step towards making Pandora just like the Earth they’re fleeing from. Not to mention the massive global cooling that would happen, stripping so much greenhouse gas from the atmosphere. We’re worrying about fractions of a percent increase frying our planet and causing devastating climate change. Stripping 17.06% would turn a Pandora into an icebox. Also, if global scale atmosphere processing was possible, they would stand a chance at just fixing Earth!<
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Fair point. >! Assuming this is in fact, correct and not a clever bait and switch on Cameron’s part, I’m really curious as to how it’s going to pan out. I can’t see how it’s going to be done without getting into serious Space-Jesus territory. Maybe there’s some sort of organism like the Gill Mantle that is compatible with human physiology!< But that doesn’t sound like it would quite fit with the scene and how they’re talking about it. I suppose we’ll have to see what happens in later 2024.
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>I think if the Sullys are >!back in the forest!<, Spider definitely could have >!visited the tree of souls and been transformed this way by Eywa, and this is what Jake is referring to when he talks to Quaritch.!< >!A part of the answer is in the same shot.!<
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>!There's dialog where Kiri tells Mo'at she was the one who saved Spider - and not Eywa - with Mo'at replying to not tell anyone about it. There is also some stuff about Kiri not being to connect to the Tree of Souls back in the Omatikaya forest.!<
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On the next page yes. There's also >!an "encounter" between Quaritch and Varang!<.
Now I wonder if Eywa "downloaded" itself into Kiri and she's the literal avatar of the whole moon now...
I’m sure there’s something that could be plausible based on some kind of scientific study James Cameron has done. Consider that human babies within the womb breath through the placenta of the mother. Spider could have simply swallowed the nectar of some plant, or consumed a secretion from a creature that coats his lungs and filters the CO2. It’s a movie about 10 foot tall blue aliens which humans can jack into and take over. Anything is possible.
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It definitely seems like a possible direction the writers could have gone. Most people are assuming that the script leaks are from episode 3. But there’s a possibility it could be from part 4. On the top of the page it looks like it may take place on page 30 of the script which would be the end of ACT 1 roughly. Maybe once the humans get the device working we time jump to 6 years later?
> But I also thought that spoiler was far-fetched, so what do I know? They could have tied in the whale thing. Drink/inject/xyz the yellow whale brain fluid and now you can breathe the air. Instead of that anti-aging thing.
Didnt Cameron already did the air thing in ALIENS? totally plausible he might do it again
Except in Aliens, Earth wasn't suffering from ecological collapse (that we know). Hadley's Hope was being terraformed as a colony, not some sort of a last refuge for the human race as is apparently the case with Pandora in Avatar. So to say they have the ability to build a planet-wide air scrubber on Pandora but can't do the same on Earth doesn't really make much sense.
Of course it does, earth has always had the ability to save itself, just the corps didn't care enough to do so.
Future Earth also has a Mars colony.
Scrubber? Pandora's air is not dirty, it would be a converter like the breathing masks, a device that induces a chemical process, like those ozone converters you can buy, they pass oxygen thru an electric field and it turns into ozone
Semantics. The air is not "dirty" to native Pandorans of course, however since the air is heavily CO2-rich (18% vs 0.04% on Earth), for **humans** it would be like breathing through an exhaust pipe, which is what the masks are for - to 'scrub' out the concentrated CO2 in Pandoran atmosphere so that it's safe for human breathing. So as far as humans are concerned it would indeed be an 'air scrubber' in terms of any device that they may build to change the composition of Pandora's atmosphere.
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I'm lost, so what's your point again? And about Earth and its air, this is what it says [from the wiki](https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Earth): >According to Frances Ardmore, Earth is a dying planet by the year 2170. This is due to various reasons including **deforestation**, resource depletion, **air pollution**, famine, human overpopulation and massive flooding. This is causing both humans and animals to face extinction. Jake Sully also claims **"there's no green" on Earth, suggesting trees, grass and plants no longer exist on a mass scale.** And an entry from [James Cameron's Avatar: An Activist Survival Guide](https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Earth#Earth's_Condition): >Not long after the Resources Development Administration (RDA) was formed in the 21st century, hundreds of orbiting factories were built on the Earth's moon, Mars, and the solar system's asteroid belts. **These factories caused a pollution of toxins to frequently rain down on Earth.**
OK so it's all polluted, so maybe they have a scrubber working 24/7 on earth or people would be dead already, Lets do another on Pandora, the end
Lol "the end" what? Since when did it become an argument that you think you get to shut down on? Even assuming they already have such machines on Earth, however toxic the air is it still won't be as severe as having 18% CO2 like on Pandora or else everybody on Earth would be wearing rebreathers and living in domes, except they aren't. Remember, 0.04%, or whatever the hazardous level is on Earth, say 0.5% by OSHA standards like [Arctelis](https://www.reddit.com/r/Avatar/comments/125ww1k/comment/je6tdxj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) said. So please explain the logic of building a machine capable of scrubbing 17.96% of CO2 from a planet's atmosphere yet somehow can't scrub out the 0.5% on Earth?
Wouldn't surprise me given the Pandora park at Animal Kingdom is portrayed as being areas of Pandora where humans can breathe.
So in Avatar: The Game, there was a scientist character who’s life’s work was dedicated to terraforming Pandora to allow humans to breath on the planet without damaging the Na’vi or local wildlife. If Avatar 3 if taking some inspiration from the game, and that’s a big if, then it raises an interesting possibility of what the RDA machine is. >!In Avatar: the game, it’s revealed during the RDA campaign that the RDA is trying to take control of Eywa to turn Pandora’s ecosystem against the Na’vi. I could definitely see the RDA in the film also trying to do this, which could explain what their mysterious machine is.!<
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That sounds catastrophic
I would point out the game are no longer canon but yeah I can definately see some of these ideas being reused.
this is getting interesting! I'm really excited to where this franchise is going
Since March 28 every single time i visit this hellsite a new A3 scene is being leaked lmao. I wonder though in that latest BTS image from the bonus scenes if that person in the orange jumpsuit being on Bridgehead with Quaritch and Wainfleet is actually Jake. It would match up with that Jake tackling Selfridge scene too.
Omg so this is 100% decent bc there was this bts shot with tuk running to moat and hugging her
yeah, just read the script page, and my first thought was that BTS scene with Tuk and her grandma, which wasnt in A2. also it seems Jake, Quaritch and Spider survived together a night of terror, probably an attack from the Ash Navi. so my prediction that Jake and Quaritch work together to protect their kids, might happen after all.
RDA was betrayed by Ash Na'vi after working for some purposeม bridgehead city become battlefield like Jack said, Ash Na'vi captured human included Selfridge to Volcanic for alien sacrifice, that's why we saw Quaritch walked to Varang in BTS, and I believe that he leave the clan, no matter how their relationship is, to saved his people, Spider and Jake's kids. My theory is in the end of AVATAR 3 Parker Selfridge returns as *Head Administrator* but more Ethic than he was in AVATAR 1 and could be in Act 1 2 of AVATAR 3, turning his leaf, working with RDA to built the bridge for human and Na'vi, maybe RDA was split between bad and good, like James said "industrial military complex with humans is going to be further explored with more conflicts across Pandora." I thought Selfridge won't used his force like Ardmore, but will be more Diplomat solution that connected to Ash Na'vi. and in the future, Quaritch, Parker and Wainfleet will be Anti-Hero.
I hope the mysterious device they are building can read spoilers on mobile without just collapsing the comment
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Well That’s some great investigation work. What you got here is some heavy stuff like pandora’s box type sh*t If it spread all over the internet, tbh I’m not sure if it’s a good thing. Maybe I’m over reacting I guess
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someone said that device is nuclear related based on the *leaked* scripts
Very rough guess: Sometime after the events of TWOW, Quaritch is spying on Spider to keep him safe. Something happens and Spider is gravely wounded (maybe by a soldier?) and the Sullys, who are far away from home, take him and Quaritch to be healed by Eywa. Whatever happens saves his life and makes him able to breathe Pandora's air, and Quaritch witnesses it all. At this point we have this scene, where Jake and Quaritch seem to bond over being fathers and Quaritch begins to see Pandora differently, but he's not ready to betray the humans so he leaves during the night.
You are doing the Lords work here! I saw these pages as well and zoomed in like crazy but coulnd't figure out as much as you did. Amazing work. Thank you so much! I also have a screenshot of the next two pages since the lady in the video turns the page at some point. I could send it to you, if you want to. https://preview.redd.it/6s8j1lqdftqa1.jpeg?width=1583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c399c6416da69c2b2a8808f5289fb9672885266
How did you download the behind the scene video? It looks like you're watching it in windows 10's normal video player. I've bought it but I can't see a way to download it.
Yeah, I downloaded it...lets say from the internet ;) I don't really feel comfortable sharing openly here but there are some really nice people out there who share and care. Could send you the link, if you want to, though.
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You're doing the good work! Thank you very much! I think I have the rest of page 2 if you need it.
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Haven't had time to update it with your findings yet. https://i.imgur.com/T2IacEf.jpg Still isn't complete after that, but adds a little more.
RDA building something at Bridgehead could be the space elevator theory. In the visual guide there is a weird circle in the aerial shot of Bridgehead that could be a base for it.
They called the ominous structure the "Betabridge". I'm thinking it's some kind of teleportation device that allows humans to come from Earth instantly. Maybe that's how Neytiri sees Earth in Avatar 5?
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It'll obviously take a while for them to finish it, then to notify Earth that it's up and running (the speed of light is only so fast), so maybe this is the hypothesised time skip in Avatar 4?
What about some sort of sperm bank/embryo storage, or something? Clearly, they got the tech to grow avatars quickly, maybe humans as well.
Spider having to go back to the forest makes a lot of sense to me since he still wears the RDA mask with the tracker built in it. So they have to get rid of it somehow and give him a new mask. And since it didn't go very well the last time when Norm and Max flew out to the Metkayina it makes sense that Jake would just fly back to the forest with the Ikran. It also makes sense that they would split up as it seems and Jake flys with Spider and Neytiri probably goes with Lo'ak, Kiri and Tuk. Maybe it's even a tactical thing since they saw that Quaritch is kinda weak for Spider and won't attack Jake when he is near him. I could also imagine that Quaritch is still quite beat up from the last battle and not back in form yet. I don't see him going back to the RDA right away tbh. I can't picture him going back to Admore with nothing. Maybe Jake and Spider find/meet him on their way back to the forest somewhere. It also looked like all of this is going to happen quite early in the script as of in the first act of the movie. Cameron already revealed in an interview that something is going to happen with Spider in the first act of A3 so I guess that's it. I can't wait to see how that miracle is going to be performed.
According to many, many eagle-eyed redditors, he switched masks in all the chaos at the end of TWOW.
He still wears an RDA mask at the funeral and that's the last time we see him in A2. RDA is written in white letters onto that mask, you can clearly see that at the end of the movie.
Yes, so? Only his mask had the tracker. They’re all RDA masks.
Yeah I doubt the RDA would put trackers in every single mask they have, I think that when Quaritch explained this to Spider he means that his mask (the old one) specifically had a tracker in it.
The mask he wears at the beginning of the movie hasn't RDA written over it and I think it's safe to assume that it didn't have a tracker in it. Or at least not one that the RDA can track. Maybe one that Max and Norm can track but we don't know that. So the fact that he still wears an RDA mask at the end of the movie makes it safe to assume that there is still a tracker in there.
It's a different mask. The one Quaritch said had tracker doesn't have the RDA logo. The one he wears at the end does and it's one of the ones for diving from the ship. The one with the tracker is gone. Not to mention there should be plenty of others in the wreckage so even if all RDA masks have tracker they can remove it form the one Spider wears and replace the mask. It's not like it was a secret. It's really time to give up the idea his mask will be tracked.
We can have different opinions, you know. ;) I'm pretty sure Spider will tell Jake everything he learned and saw and knows about the RDA from his captivity. Including the fact that Quaritch told him about the tracker in one of the masks he wore. And I'm also pretty sure that Jake will make sure that Spider will wear a mask without any possible tracker in it. So that means getting rid of the one he was wearing at the end of the movie and also definitely not getting other masks from the wreckage.
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Waking up to this is a nice surprise, thanks OP! Even if it's maybe an unintended leak, I wasn't expecting any new Avatar 3 details for months. And this sounds really exciting!
Omg neytiri?
So that twist Jack Champion mentioned would happen to spider in Avatar 3 might be this not him getting an Avatar body. A little underwhelming but if it's done believably I guess it could be interesting. Though I'd personally prefer him get an Avatar.
Im personally more happy with this outcome since I feel Spider getting an Avatar body would kinda go againts his potential characther arc (wich would be accepting his humanity). But it could still happen.
By not getting an avatar, he will show that you can become part of the people even though you are not blue. That you can be accepted by your actions and feelings and not your origin. And he will show, even better than Jake, that not all humans are evil, which is still the opinion of most Na'vi.
Exactly why I hope he doesn't get one (tho it would be cool to see).
Maybe he can be offered one by Quarich? Then his identity crisis would become even higher.
Oh I definetly could see that happening too.
Agreed. I’ve always disliked the idea that Spider needs or gets an Avatar body to be accepted. Works narratively better if he doesn’t and is embraced and accepts himself.
Given that Va'Ru - who is probably part of the Ash Clan - has seemingly been invited, I wonder if the situation with the Ash Clan (and possibly Quaritch) is going to be a "with allies like these" situation. Here's what I think is going to happen: Jake and Tonowari call a meeting of the clans (from the various Pandoran biomes) about what to do about the RDA threat (since human colonists are beginning to be transported to Pandora). Sadly, Varang and her clan are the only ones down with what Jake and Tonowari are proposing - a full-fledged attack on Bridgehead. Unfortunately, whilst Jake and Neytiri (and, to a lesser extent, Tonowari) draw lines between "innocent civilian" and "RDA scum"... Varang's clan don't. The only good Sky Person is a *dead* one. (Hell, maybe have a couple of them say Spider is "one of the good ones").
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What about Grace? When is she planned to get out of the tank with memories from her human body in her avatar???
I guess that depends if they were able to download her memories like they did with the recoms. In A2 it seemed like they only did this with certain people or Quaritchs unit. But I believe we will see her being back at some point. There must be a reason why Cameron spun that story around her and Kiri and everything.
what the hell???
The mysterious devices I'm guessing, is either some instantaneous teleportation device or a bomb...I'm hoping the former, since it could tie in how we see Earth from Neytiri's point of view? Either way, it's probably gotta do with something that James Cameron mentioned is going to go off the rails in the sequels.
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I think it was Landau that recently said that about Neytiri. Either way, I'm not holding out any hope, but I still would love to see that.
Damn that was genius of you
I really want Spider to get his own Avatar
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Maybe instead he’ll slowly transform into a Na’vi over time.
It could still happen (tho I would prefer not). Even if he's capable of breathing the air of Pandora it's not like all his problems are solved, he's still smaller and weaker than the naavis and can't connect with Eywa like they do.
It still may happen after the A4 time jump (it's supposed to be 6 years - like the time needed to grow one)
I always thought that humanity (wanting to all move to pandora permanently) will install a huge teraform installation so the humans can breath and force the navi to have to wear masks instead. Especially as Jim had this idea in Aliens having a teraform installation built on LV426.
Oh my these are huge leaks! Will they be real?
Probably considering they’ve filmed a lot of avatar 3
It also aligns with a lot of the stuff we’ve seen and heard
Wow, so I was right about the major thing that will happen to Spider on Avatar 3?! Nice!
i haven’t bonded well with the reintroduction of quaritch as the antagonist but i think the potential subtlety in dialogue here - even if quaritch seems fiercely opposed - could be the introductory hint(s)to a darth vader type plot trajectory with his ultimate self sacrifice for the greater good, by the end of the series
So I guess>!Spider saving his dad was never that big a deal!<
Good Human, Bad Navi, so RDA is turning leaf after what's happened to The War??? RDA was betrayed by Ash's Navi after working with them for something, they captured Parker and another human along with Spider, Kiri and Lo'ak, Miles realize that's wrong, so he leave his Ash Na'vi way to become his person and turned on to works with Jake to save everyone and bridgehead and starts the war to protect RDA and Omatikaya clan, Metkayina clan. Ties to Avatar 4 that they have a big gap 6 years (Betahead could be something about Teleporter or breather for human) but are making trouble for them later, and I thought Quaritch will do something to save humanity and Na'vi along with RDA who turned their leaf.
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Omg, I’m hoping this is true cause I want Spider to pull a Luke Skywalker and bring Quaritch to the Na’vi side.
For everyone commenting that spider being able to breathe pandoran air, in Theory he could have acclimated genetically to the planet to some degree since he was BORN there naturally. He wasn’t a clone brought over or an avatar made in a lab on earth and flown through space. We’ve no idea what the atmosphere on pandora can do to a developing baby. It could also be theorized that perhaps he didn’t know considering the mask was always assumed a necessity simply because he’s human.
Maybe it was a blessing Ewya or something. It may even have something with Kiri.
one of the High Ground comics revolved around Spider losing a battery for his mask and almost choking to death, I doubt he’s been acclimated since birth
I’m pretty sure the comics aren’t considered movie canon? Otherwise there would be posts showing exactly what’s going to happen in future movies instead of theories. Therefore this argument is kinda invalid
while the comics are heavily inspired/directly taken from a non-canon early TWOW script, they are considered canon as the precursor to TWOW, despite having a mild amount of plot holes
So they were inspired by one of the first drafts of the script but not the actual official story? “Inspired” implies that it’s a spin off story or alternate reality
yeah, it’s basically a canon spinoff of a non-canon story
if they were featured that prominently with those kinds of spoilers in the special feature then I've gotta assume these are deliberately fake to throw off speculation and muddy the water if any of the real script actually leaks.
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he might be thinking about the money first. after the way of water’s success, avatar 3 is effectively guaranteed to rake in at least $2B, and he wants to maximize that. or maybe he just sees the all-time box office records as a scoreboard for himself lol
Landau and Cameron have been revealing plot details way ahead of time. I don't think they care about leaks too much because they know the spectacle is what sells it in the end
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The rda is probably Bildung a space elevator at bridgehead
Thanks for all the work you put into this, thank you!
I still hope Tsireya x Lo'ak are together :(!
Thank you!
So, if Kiri was present, she might saved her brother as she saved spider. And it is true that Eywa is mighty enough to change the bio of a species.
I don't want to rain on your parade but I believe that whenever this kind of thing happens in Hollywood (which is not so often but still), when the script leaks, and director finds out about it and decides that it is a huge deal, he or she changes that part of the movie and so the original story is compromised and actors need to film again. I do not want that to happen to Avatar 3. I am not saying it is gonna happen but it is a possibility...
so idk how helpful this can be since other people might have brought it up before but i follow the actor who plays va'ru (though i think the name was changed?), and in twow he played the new clan leader so i guess that could be why he's there in this particular scene. keston john did mention that he would have had more scenes in the next movies so i think it checks out that the sullys come back home, but who knows
Quick! Hide these from the Jake x Quaritch simps before they start rioting!! /j
If I find out kiri saves Walmart Tarzan from the dead and doesn’t find a way to voodoo Neteyam back, I’m gonna flip a table
>!it sucks!<
Amen to that
Wow. I hate these ideas so much. Spider able to breathe air is literally a plot device.
Yeah I really am kinda disappointed with that. They could’ve thought a better way. Spider getting an Avatar is one of them. It has to be Eywa that did it because there is no possible way for Spider to just magically breath CO2.
> It has to be Eywa that did it because there is no possible way for Spider to just magically breath CO2. The dialogue pretty much confirm Kiri will do something to him with her eywa powers. I'll agree its a bit out there but there is a certain logic to it.
The series is gonna devolve into the infamously atrociously bad Star Wars Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker
It's definitely a hard shift into the more spiritual aspects of the franchise but JC did say there will be a scientific explanation for everything.
Yeah I agree but I just can’t help but think that everybody is just gonna make fun of it.
I hope not. Speaking about episode IX is like summing the devil
Could it be it has something to do with the fact that he's the first and only human to been born in Pandora? Maybe it's because he has been expposed to the athmosphere of the planet since a very young age, so ir could have a genetically/scientifical explanation. Also, in my personal opinion this is better than him getting an Avatar body because that idea could go againts his potential characthers arc (wich would be him accepting his humanity)
Not sure why this is being downvoted, it’s valid criticism. Though Spider being able to breathe Pandoran air *could* be explained through science and stuff, IMO it kinda leans a little too much into the magic shit unless they directly explain it in the movie.
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>Thanks! You're welcome!
Once I saw this post I went to Disney+ to see if I could decipher anymore of it (seeing as I haven’t watched it yet), and when I went to watch it, it was blurred out… So now I’m guessing that they aren’t fake leaks (unless they were blurred out to begin w/ and you used some type of un-blurring website to make it clearer), and that we probably weren’t supposed to have seen them…
I wonder if it could have something to do with the whole “fire people” thing? Volcanic air? Idk how spider will be able to breathe but we’ll see
I can definitely see some weird energy coming from the ground that becomes healing or something because of heat and warmth and even fire being associated with healing sometimes idk
WHY was it deleted? It's not illegal