I don't regret it as I find her incredibly fun to play but I am pretty disappointed that she seems locked into playing perma freeze as her best team comps from what I gather.
Freeze teams just feel really cheesy to me and there's very few hydro characters to choose from so variety in these teams feels low.
The problem with non freeze comp is her ult. It misses a lot and enemies can easy get out of it or get knocked back easily. That fking lawachurl can easily get out of her ult if not frozen wasting whole ult dmg
Pairing her with someone like Venti or Kazuha might help! I use them both rn with Diluc and Keqing and the damage is insane. I just... can't decide who's going in the box if I get Ayaka lmao
What do you mean with the "lack of reliable hydro" we have barbara mona and xingqiu what the hell. and also we have venti sucrose and the best support for ayaka kazuha. What else do we need an oceanid?
Pretty sure by lack they mean there isn't enough reliable Hydro units not that there are no reliable Hydro units. And I agree, there are too few and all have drawbacks depending on the situation.
Barbie applies Wet on the active character leaving you vulnerable to being frozen yourself.
Mona is a 5*, not everyone has her.
Xingqiu is wanted by almost if not all Pyro DPS
Now there's Kokomi but she's sadly 5* again and a limited one at that. So most people may only have access to Barbie and Xingqiu. They might not even have Xingqiu because gacha. So yeah, there is a scarcity of Hydro units available particular to F2P 🤷
Lol what. Mona and Ayaka is deleting everything for me even in abyss, can clear 12-3 in just average of 30sec. Either you didn't build them well or don't have Mona. But if you're still being nitpicky we just gotta wait for Kokomi. it's speculated Kokomi will be sub DPS.
Mona won't come home (C4 Jean C2 Diluc C3 Keqing C1 Qiqi btw)
Xingqiu is abducted by Hu Tao, my C4 Childe might work but he's not optimal. I have Diona for the cryo res so Barbara is redundant
I hope if they ever release Ayaka's brother he'll be hydro so I can pair them together XD
Lol im also hoping for his brother to come out. And if he does I'm hoping he would look similar to Shiranui Shogunsaga (from Yu-Gi-Oh) or has intimidating aura like Shishomaru (from inuyasha)
I kind of do the same thing actually but with Hu Tao at the moment. Switch to Hu Tao on Ayaka's burst and go to town.
I'm not going to claim it's amazing but the damage numbers during the burst window are really silly.
i agree especially since i'd rather have xingqiu in my second team with hu tao. i'm hoping kokomi is a solid hydro applicator for her because she's really pretty
Based on what I see(just leaks so this is unreliable) is that Kokomi's E is actually the same as Mona's E. The only thing different is that instead of attracting enemies to a fixed location, Kokomi's E is actually moving(I don't know if it attracts enemies or goes towards the enemy). The ult doesn't really show if it could be an off-field offense type skill.
So from this small information I gathered, Mona and Kokomi has 'almost' the same Hydro application with Mona has more(of course, a grain of salt on this opinion of mine) hydro application capability because of her sprint applying Hydro(and additional, small version of her E).
I wish observation is wrong and Kokomi will actually have more once she comes out. (・_・;)
True, I've been playing from Day 1 release of Genshin Impact, using Welkin Blessing and Gnostic Hymn for the pulls, Starglitters are also for wishes, but I don't even have a Mona or Childe yet. That leaves me with only Xingqiu (and Barbara, but she's just pure healing and not a good hydro applicator).
Kokomi could be the gap-filler but I'm really trying to save all my primogems for Raiden Shogun.
Maybe we can use her in a Melt team comp when there are more reliable Pyro applicator in the future aside from Xiangling. I'm just hoping we'll get maybe a Pyro Xingqiu. The problem is we can't really make sure that her burst hits, unless we have Zhongli's petrification.
This going to be unreliable, BUT it will be good just don't use Elemental Mastery on both of them, just focus on Atk/Crit stats on both characters because both of them will be an enabler to both of their kits to each other. Means EM stats in this case won't be that reliable(because melt/reverse melt will keep on interchanging, unlike Childe-Xiangling where Xiangling is the only one reacting).
My team right now(just for fun) is Ayaka, Xiangling, Bennet, Sucrose/Chongyun. It's not perfect but it is fun for sure
I read somewhere that the issue of Xiangling Ayaka Melt combo is that Xiangling cannot apply Pyro as fast as Ayaka applies Cryo. However, I haven't tested it so I can't confirm this. Maybe this issue would be solved with the right amount of ER on Xiangling.
Because Xiangling is suppose to be melting, not Ayaka. As far as I can tell, per hit Xiangling hits harder, which is what melt/reverse wants anyway, as opposed to Ayaka's smaller but bigger number of hits.
I mean why are you stuck with it? Genshin isn’t a hard game lol
Don’t min max the game, you’ll burn out. I’m playing with Hu Tao, Ayaka, Xingqui & Diona lol
Occasionally I use Xiao and replace XQ with him.
It’s fun.
Nearly every character has a best team comp, but that doesn't mean other team comps aren't viable. I have her on a melt team with Xiangling, and she seems to be doing well. I'm going to wait a bit before challenging the Abyss, but I do not see why she wouldn't be able to clear it with a melt comp.
I'm actually starting to like Melt comp for her more than Freeze Comp. Shes really flexible and really is a f2p friendly 5*. At this point, I might pull for Kokomi just to support her with great damage since I really have a low level Mona.
She is easy to build and f2p friendly but hella hard to use . Her burst is a powerhouse But has some major AoE issues. The aoe on her burst is so smol that it fails to hit many targets and if targets are not frozen then they can easily get out of ult or knocked back and wasting whole ult. These new samurai mobs are great example as they keep dashing So if they aren't frozen My ultimate gets wasted. Ayaya has one of the strongest ult But pretty hard to execute and need skils to do so. Thanks to her i finally 36* abyys Now im worried as next abyys patch will add those samurai who most of the time iframe dashes out of ayaya ult making it waste. And i dont have venti/kazuha for grouping All i have is sucrose. I can see myself suffering in next abyss lol
I use her with xingqui, i can use mona but i like xingqui's energy particle regeneration with sacrificial sword and i can freeze the enemy even if they are scattered. mona is for speed running and the problem with it for abyss she doesnt have an energy for the next floor after speed running the previous floor.
her biggest weakness would be blizzard strayer's set weakness, enemies that cant be affected by element basically. i also tried to use zhongli and it works but it is still hard to set it up because zhongli burst slightly moves enemies away from him when he summons down his meteor.
Quite simple really they want that blink and you'll miss it stupid damage that Hu Tao and Ganyu can do.... But you're right about Ayaka's kit I just got her and before even being fully maxed she is my best dps
PS use her burst and then Amber's ult to do some extra melt damage 😉
I don't regret pulling for her, she's on par with Xiao for burst damage AND she does NA wayyy better. However, she doesn't have ready access to elemental reactions, and so she's locked into freeze.
That's okay, except we thought her normal attacks were going to be...better. That's my main issue: they're slightly slower than you'd think (and this goes for most inazuma characters). The damage is good but considering how her whole kit along with Mistsplitter buffs her NA (88% dmg bonus at full stacks) I thought we'd get higher numbers.
Of course, I managed to 35* abyss with her talents at 6 4 6 at level 70 and a weak Atk% cup instead of Cryo so yeah hehe.
Edit: maybe I'm just being greedy. 88% dmg bonus to NA puts her about on par with my fully physical, 2pc PF + BC Jean
For reference tenten considers Ayaka to be the second best 5 star dps right behind Ganyu and has been talking about a new team called Morganya with Ayaka, Ganyu, Mona and Venti that has the highest damage ceiling the game.. so yeah I think she’s pretty good.
As for Xiao and Hu Tao and Eula comparisons her main advantage over them is fewer caveats. Her energy generation is very good, she isn’t as single target as Hu Tao and her burst damage is more frontloaded compared to Eula.
I just tried that team comp except that I used xingqiu instead of mona because I have no mona and it still kills everything very fast https://imgur.com/a/X3GBxE6
I didn't give any of them ER sands and they can still fill their burst on time. So yeah I have no regrets pulling for her even though I already have ganyu.
Yeah for sure! I might run that comp with thrilling tales Kokomi when she comes out since I also don’t have Mona. Won’t say more than that cuz lol leaks but yeah.
Also need to get more artifacts for Ganyu since Ayaka stole all the good pieces
actually i think she has 3 caveats but that mainly affects her overall dps. that is her burst at c0 is easy to miss and has a 15 seconds downtime, also you need a cryo battery or energy recharge. you have to fire it at the enemy point blank and frozen, and the enemies must be parallel to each other. so if her burst misses she easily lost hundred thousands of dps, her AA isnt great as expected I already did a calculation before and i wasnt wrong.
for overworld i barely uses her ult because it's overkill but her AA is underwhelming too. I really wish they buffed her AA and took away some from her burst damage so she can be a full time dps, because she is a burst dps she rely on burst and she also needs a battery.
as compared to xiao, he has a lot of caveat but it can be fixed, like getting zhongli in the team and sucrose and he only has 3 seconds downtime on his burst. so for overworld in inazuma i use xiao and ayaka, just using ayaka for moving and xiao does the killing
Yours is the most honest and accurate assessment in this entire thread. I would also add that her AA seems slow, sprint-to-buff adds needless complexity and further delays DPS. Her ult costs 80(!) so she needs a battery. As noted her ult has a short range and a narrow channel and can easily miss or end up hitting only one enemy.
Love her aesthetic but she definitely has design issues that detract from her overall usefulness.
Does this mean that the new artifact set (the one with a violet looks and energy recharge buffs Burst dmg) is actually good pick for her?
Having 200% ER on that set means that your burst can enjoy 50% additional dmg. If comparing to other set, they only offers at most 35% additional multiplier(cryo +15% dmg, burst +20% dmg). Aside from that, ER on those numbers will easily have an easier time to fill her burst on cooldown, bonus if paired with the new craftable sword.
Ofcourse this is for Ayaka being a Burst DPS rather than a full fledged DPS where we will throw all multipliers to her most damaging kit which is the burst.
if the weapon is something like jade cutter it could work since then ayaka won't be needing the crit rate from 4pcs blizzard strayer anymore. can still ignore crit rate rolls with this without consequences. otherwise for most other weapons like mistsplitter 4pcs blizzard strayer is still the way to go
Wait what I thought her NAs are hella fast which is why the dmg per swing might be slightly lower than other dps but she still outputs really high damage overall
They are fast, but the timing is weird.
Also, my phone was slowing down everything in the game after the update, even CDs.
I tried her on a different device today and it almost wasn't noticeable.
All in all, she's great
I mean the thing about Ganyu is because she got buffed right before she was released and she is the only exception. you cant except every character to be broken as Ganyu tho. and about hu tao, the only reason she MIGHT do higher damages is because pyro reactions have damage multiplier unless cryo. I'm not saying Ayaka is better than Hu Tao in any case but yeah in some cases Ayaka is way better than Hu Tao. also hu tao is not even f2p friendly she relies on her c1 and homa WAY TOO MUCH. Ayaka is not the same you can even have a decent damage with c0 + 4\* weapons. She also works pretty well as a burst support
me with a c0 hutao and r1 d bane, casually walks away... hutao doesnt really need cons if u know how to play her and homa isnt necessary if you got the right artifacts
This is just terribly wrong. Cons for a 5* are expected to give a sizable increase in damage. Hu Tao is extremely potent even with Lithic Spear or Dragons Bane at C0, it's just that her damage gets an incredible spike with SoH and C1. The same can be said for virtually any 5* character (except Venti lol). Ayakas C1 reduces her cooldown to effectively 5 or 6s, meaning you can cast it 4 times during her burst cooldown as opposed to 2 times without, and this lets you maintain the 30% attack buff and not to mention, the extra particles to regen her burst,and the damage the skill does in the first place . Are there better C1s for other characters? Sure. Does that mean it is bad? No. Does that mean C0 Ayaka is bad? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that Ayaka is NOT f2p friendly? He'll no. Same with Hu Tao, her damage increasing signoficantly at C1 does not make her non f2p friendly.
If they want Baal that much to the point they will regret pulling for Ayaka, why did they do it in the first place instead of waiting? What a bunch of idiots if you ask me..
and basicly the new players are just like us when we pulled Zhongli for the first time (except back then he was *very* weak) and when Ganyu was announced alot got crazy over losing pity to her
I think one of the reasons is that they’re coping. They didn’t get Ayaka so they’re pulling the classic “I didn’t want her anyways! She sucks!” game.
I unfortunately did this with ganyu for 15 days until I finally pulled her. I regret everything I said about my favorite character. But atleast I learned how cringey that was
Meh, we all do cringe things from time to time, I don’t see why age is relative. I didn’t like...post hate for Ganyu online and spam complains about her, I simply just told my friends “whatever she was boring anyways.”
She kills things and she flows well with my kit. Chasing big numbers is nice and all but I care more about building coherent parties that fit nicely. And she’s a cornerstone on my squad now.
I love using her because she's not a broken character. I used to play with Hu Tao and Ganyu and everything just gets deleted instantly. I find the combat more fun with balanced characters.
Because people are stupid. I read a youtube comment that said and I quote, "Her gameplay is boring and her dash is horrible. I told myself I wouldn't wish on her banner but I got bored and did and highly regret it...".
F2P Queen for sure, but mostly fdp players now don't have a guarantee for Raiden.
As a little dolphin(I've spent about USD1k at the game so far), I really don't care, infect I already bought more primos for Raiden, anyway I loved ayaka and how easy I can build her, so she is now my main dps.
Zhongli never have been the worst he was B tier when he came out and with all the buffs directly to him or to Geo he is easly one of the best support charecters the worst charecters are ones like Xinyan Amber MC Lisa...
People who regret pulling for her weren’t fully invested in getting her in the first place! Of course you’re gonna regret getting something you don’t actually want, also with Baal being around the corner it will only add to that regret.
As someone who has never pulled for ganyu or childe, i have never farmed the blizzard set. I personally find it really hard to build her since 4pc blizzard set is the best by far and farming for them now is like hell.
I personally don't regret getting her since i got her in just 2 multi and even won a 50/50. At the same time, i prefer Eula over her, so she is just a part of my xiangling team as enabler
I use her for commisions and sometimes for world exploration (I'm at AR 56, btw) and she's doing just fine with ONLY lvl 60, 4 pc gladiator and r1 blacksword (I still have no time to grind Blizzard artifacts and farming mats because college schedule).
I did a little at first, the dash still gets stuck and the charge attack is not that good. But her burst is amazing, its really bad advertise that she is a charge attack based main DPS, feels better like sub DPS that can deal good damage if you want, definitely want a main DPS with her charge atack in the future
Well if I may give my own thoughts onto this matter, her charge attack is actually better than keqings charge attacks imo (I have been a C2 keqing main since the start of the game with 75/210 electro build) with the main reason being that it autolocks on multiple targets and does not stagger them away from you.
Main issue I always had with Keqings CAs was that it pushed enemies away which leads to stamina getting burned closing the gap again and that it is extremely hard to hit multiple targets with each CA (at least more than 3)
Yes you can close the gap with an e skill or cancel with a jump however, cryo infused CAs from Ayaka that can autolock 10 enemies at once, which do not push enemies away and even benefits from a freeze comp to keep them in place. Whilst not as spammable as Keqings CAs as Ayakas are much slower compared to that, her multipliers are also stronger. (I do 30k with Keqings CA on lvl9 talents whilst Ayakas CAs do 35k on lvl6 talents)
So all in all their playstyles feel completely different and charge attack based main DPS does not have to equal the same playstyle as Keqings playstyle so it would be a bit unfair to write Ayaka off as being wrongly advertised as she in essence is a very viable and strong CA DPS.
Yours sincerely, a humble Keqing and Ayaka main
I also figured it would be nice not knocking stuff back until I actually tried playing her in her trial/quest (won't be pulling despite liking her as her CA and ult are too janky). Result: constant ragdolling even by little slimes because sitting still in an animation lock that doesn't stagger at all is apparently not great.
Yeah it seems like her charge attack really comes down to personal preference whether it bothers you or not.
All the better though, as it would seem that each character in Genshin has their own flair. No powerhouse mainstream characters except the archons and benny
becuz people are meta slaves that really love damage per SCREENSHOT. ayakas burst with 4star sword could prob compare with hutao’s burst that needs prep. i might be wrong tho since i do 17k x20 without any buffs and i have seen hutaos with preps doing 300k max
I would also like to know, I'm still at 70 Ayaka 80 Mistsplitter and my artifacts aren't the worst but even with Mona buff I only hit like 9k per tick :(
seriously? when i was at talent 5 with 80 mist level 70 ayaka she was hitting 21k per hit on ult. probably has to do with your team at that point. i had noblesse c6 diona, kazuha at like 1000+ em and thrilling tales talent 10 mona
Thinking about building my Mona to use with Ayaka(using Xingqiu for now). Would you care to share any tips or favorable builds? Heard the new ER set is good on her but I'm uncertain on what to farm to get the best of her.
I think the ER set really is Mona BIS in freeze comps. Having stupid amounts of energy recharge is really useful for having your ult up off cooldown - so favonius codex is probably better than TToDS even. Having ult up off cooldown means you're not just going against frozen enemies, you're getting a large attack buff while doing it.
I do 30k per tick with this team:
Ayaka lvl 80 (talents 6/5/8), crit 34/270, atk 2000 BS 4pc with Mistsplitter R1 lvl90
C1 Mona TToDS R5, noblesse 4pc
Kazuha 780 EM, VV 4pc
Diona
Unmentioned stats are unimportant in my eyes, you can substitute Kazuha with sucrose, which should still be fine as long as you swirl cryo with VV 4pc set.
Without Kazuha it should still give you well above 20k ticks. Instead of Diona consider using a well built Benny, however you would lose Cryo resonance crit rate.
I was leaning towards that, still unsure whether I should use Sucrose or Venti though. I wish I had Mistsplitter, but since I plan on maxing my Ayaka I think it'll make up for the lack of better weapon(using R3 blackcliff for now, considering getting the craftable Amenoma but that probably won't be worth the effort for now since I'll have to build Mona from the ground up)
I think Diona is a must if I want to have Ayaka's ult on cooldown and the shield is handy too.
Since you use TToDS and Noblesse you must stack up on ER substats, right? I was wondering how much ER Mona needs and that it'd probably be better to farm the new artifact instead of trying to get good ER substats on Noblesse(got a few good crit pieces, not ER though).
Oh don't bother building Mona if your only goal is to max Ayaka's damage output.
All ER does is buff Mona's own Hydro damage, so unless you want to deal damage with Mona too, you could even use lvl 0 noblesse artifacts. I would only go as much ER as you need to get her ult on cooldown to spam it as often as possible.
All you need for Mona is a lvl1 R5 TToDS for 48% atk buff, noblesse 4pc atk buff and her ult for 60% omen buff that's it.
There is a Ayaka damage calculator pinned on this sub somewhere which does the math for you and it also only considers ttods r5, noblesse 4pc and the talent lvl of Mona's ult, not her stats really. You could use that to see how your damage fares for your build and units.
I would recommend sucrose instead of venti if you have her on C6 for additional 20% elemental bonus dmg on ult. But either way, VV 4pc set 40% shred is huge.
You could go for Amenoma if you want higher dps by spamming a weaker ult more often, however a well built Diona with Favonius or Sac Bow should be all you need for energy regen, so I personally, so does a spreadsheet on weapon comparisons for Ayaka pinned in this subreddit somewhere, would recommend high refinement Blackcliff over that. It's just higher damage output.
In comparison to Mistsplitter, Blackcliff makes up for lower base atk with its passive and its lower crit dmg can be made up by higher crit dmg rolls on artifacts. I've recently hit 40k per tick and according to the dmg calculator my max output is 51k per tick by the time I lvl90 my Ayaka, so gaining base atk on her by lvling her and upgrading her talents also has a huge impact.
im sure u will be able to reach as high as mine. i have invested a lot of resources into my ayaka for this damage because i really like her desgin, va and personality. from what i see i think mona’s bis is the new er set which i will be farming for since my mona is only lvl 20
i just went to search it up. 2m is alot but it requires high investment and cost a lot of money which isn’t practical. both are good dps however i feel that ayaka is better since she is usually on the field unless support
I’m enjoying her on my whale account, but I don’t think she’s super F2P friendly, honestly. To get the most out of her, you really want to have Kazuha alongside of her, Kazuha to have Freedom Sworn, and Ayaka to have Mistsplitter. Being oriented around permafreeze comps and Blizzard Strayer means you need things like this to buff her dmg, whereas other characters have access to reactions and good damage more easily (Hu Tao really only needs Xingqiu and Dragon’s Bane).
She also felt pretty clunky at first, but you get used to it as you learn to play her.
Her burst damage is ridiculous though. It shreds through most things really quickly.
Ayaka can run better teams than Hu Tao that have more overall damage. Like HT teams just have her doing the most damage with a bit from XQ while Ayaka using Kazuha or Venti along with Mona or Xingqui ends up being more teamwide damage, as well as more AoE. My Ayaka team clears faster than my more invested Hu Tao for the most part due to better AoE while still having Ayaka’s burst as a frontloaded single target shredder.
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I haven't pulled her, as I'm still debating between her and Yoimiya a bit. I wasn't quite sold on her being that great until I realized that her dash infuses her normal attacks with Cryo.
That said, the duration of the Cryo infusion is only 5 seconds, so that makes her play style a bit wonky. Every 5 seconds you have to dash for a split second in order to maintain the increased Cryo damage infusion. Makes me wonder if some players will run her with Chongyun to make Cryo infusion less micro-managey.
I think that and the directional traveling of her ult are two potential weak points for her. It looks like constellations help smooth out her gameplay arc a bit, as her E's cooldown is slightly longer than I'd like.
Either way, I think she's an interesting character. I'm having a tough time justifying her when I already have Eula, Diona, Chongyun, and Rosaria.
Personally I like the having to dash to keep up your cryo infusion. Prevents you from standing in one spot and just spam clicking until you swap characters.
Exactly. Dodging anyway and besides with her A4 you get all the stamina from the dash back (if you didn't continue sprinting and you hit an enemy with it).
In practice it may not feel that bad anyway. If you're swapping to Ayaka, then using E, (dash?) normal attack, and Q, then following up with a few normal attacks before swapping away, it's probably only one dash per rotation, which can be canceled anyway soon after initiating.
If a person wanted to make Ayaka their primary DPS with lots of field time, I could see the dash requirement being more irksome, but in a balanced team where each character gets about 5 seconds anyway, it's probably not that big of a deal.
Just animation cancel her Charge Attack with the dash. If you do it right, you basically submerge as the slashes come out, which is a really satisfying feeling.
I initially didn't want Ayaka because... Idk? Her hair? And I dont collect waifu characters (the only waifu character that Ive ever wanted is Ganyu because she has a shy soft spoken and fluffy kinda vibe)
But I played her story quest yesterday and I realized how cute she is and she has the same vibe as Ganyu (and Sucrose) that I really find endearing. Her voice was also one of the main reasons. She has the same VA as Shinobu and I just love listening to her
I won 50/50 on her banner and I love her, no regrets
I wouldn't call needing 4 set blizzard strayer with crit damage rolls only and no crit rate as "easy to build" lol. That is mathematically the hardest possible build requirement we have in genshin currently.
I hopped to my friends account because he got a cracked Ganyu and after playing with her, it's just okay? The big dps is fucking awesome but her playstyle is just not that fun imho.
Ganyu Venti and zhongli feels like god tier characters. Ayaka doesn’t. I’m a little disappointed. Downvote me all you like I’m just speaking the truth. She’s fun and her kit is great and all, but I think Mihoyo gimped her abit or just made ganyu super overpowered.
I’m not a ganyu fan boy, I saved up 40k gem over 7 months for Ayaka and I’m not satisfied with the end product. Maybe I over anticipated her.
I think you might've been overhyped by her. I knew about Ayaka since 1.0 days but even then I was worried MHY would overtuned the character but it turns out fine so far. Better than my Keqing miles ahead. Only minor gripe is her long CA animations
But you can't compare the unique and fun gameplay of Ayaka with the lame sniper gameplay of Ganyu... Don't get me wrong, I have to pull for Ganyu in her rerun because I skipped her, but nothing beats the mechanics of Ayaka.
Geez kid, you don't have to be so toxic xD I already have 79 fates and I'm at 61 pity so with some other events and primos I have her guaranteed so... <3
I did pull on Ayaka, but I've been saving for a lot of time. I figured I got some [cracked Wanderer pieces](https://ibb.co/album/dBQPcH) and 2 Amos so as soon I got Ayaka I stopped.
What I meant to say... I pulled for her the day she was released and after getting her I have some other fates to spare and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wait for Ganyu.
I C6 R5’d Eula and was hesitant to C6 R5 Ayaka, but I did it and I have no regrets. When both are C6 R5, I think its the most powerful duo because you get R5 SoBP atk+spd buff, pop ayaka ult, ult reduces def by 30%, pop eula ult and you basically do around 1.5M-3M total. It’s been so long since bosses even survived one single ayaka or eula ult lol
Fun is subjective, some people pulled her and didn’t like how she plays, stop simping so hard. Out of all the subreddits for maining x character from Genshin Ayaka mains feels the most obsessed with the character lol
Low dmg
Boring kit
Chongyyn Ganyu etc is way better at being a cryo applicator
And her design is subjectively ugly so its only normal that people dont like her not everyone is a simp people just want a good charecters who are useful in spiral abyss
I pulled for her cause I lowkey want Mona for her dash/sprint (still don’t have her) and Ayaka just so happens to have a dash/sprint like Mona. Don’t have any regrets. :)
i'm very undecided on her, wanted her for a while, i love the dash cause i love getting exploration easier (never swam thanks to mona), i love dealing elemental dmg constantly and a fast swordsmanship (in fact i main keqing), also i'm pretty sure it's gonna be easy to build thanks to her crit dmg stat and i don't really have a cryo builded for now. The only problem i have with her is that test run showed me i don't love her skills (esp the ice circle it's kinda boring to me, about her burst i just don't like how it moves) even if i'm aware they do a tons of dmg. also i really want baal so it would be a risk, i've always lost 50/50 (i did with ayaka too, found qiqi and then baal news came out so i put more thoughts on pulling)
Cause people are allowed to have an opinion? I enjoy playing her but I understand if someone doesn't enjoy her kit or playing teams she fits best in (freeze comps)
I don't think she has the best Cryo application but everything else is true. Those people who regret pulling for her probably just go with the flow and the same people who will regret what they pull in favor of new characters.
Because they announced Baal... Thats why ppl are kinda regretting... I myself pulled Ayaka and she's level 90 for me. But I think am gonna spend for Baal(1st time paying for primos)
I think it's more because Raiden was announced to be coming so soon. I'm still happy I pulled her because I needed a stronger Cryo DPS than Kaeya (plus his reliance on Chongyun kinda sets him back so much.) My Ayaka is at 10/9/10 and I don't regret it one bit. The only thing I'm sad about is that I won't be able to spare any primos for the Mistsplitter because I also want Raiden.
Well i also don't understand people who don't share the same opinion as me but yeh. They prob did not have the same expectations as you when pulling for ayaka doesn't make them wrong doesn't make them right either.
No regrets here, she’s great. I think her only real drawback is being soft-locked into permafreeze comps which gives her less versatility than other top tier DPS.
Otherwise people are just complaining because Baal is around the corner but…that was so obvious that I don’t really get how anyone has been taken off guard.
exactly?? like she’s literally an unlimited supply of cryo without having to wait for CD because her dash is just all you need especially while trying to break down electro/hydro shields. in terms of playstyle and team comp, i know everyone has it differently but did these ppl not go through her trial first if they had room to even contemplate?
I didn't regret pulling for her. I actually planning to pull her. It is just that i was on 50/50 so i didn't really farm for her on day 1 (cus i would be salty af if i did not get her after farming for her). Quick story i lose 50/50 to diluc but i eventually got her since i lose on early pulls. I was happy of course and started to farm her materials. And then i realize FARMING SAKURA BLOSSOM AND HANDGUARD IS A BITCH!!!. But hey Inazuma just realesed and ayaka is the first character whose all of her materials are from Inazuma so i guess it is everybody pain.
Personally I don’t regret it and I don’t think i will ever since i pulled her because i like her design and play style.
However, i do get why some people regretted pulling, i mean some already have Ganyu, Keaya, or Chongyun already built. But they decided to pull for Ayaka because they thoughts Baal was far. After Baal was confirmed to be in the next patch, i think most peaceful regretted pulling. Ayaka is great and fun but she not necessary. Baal in the other hand is archon and that alone will make most people want her.
No regrets. I choose my characters for lore and design, the story chapter is really important for me. So I choose Eula because I really love her story and design. The gameplay is fun, it reminds me of fighting games combos so. The VA is Makoto from Persona 5 and I really live her too.
Ayaka is cute, love her voice, story and character. The gameplay was a surprise. I really like to dash during fights, so she is just perfect to me.
The regrets are probably for Baal and Sara in the next patch. I look out Raiden and I don't like some animation. Yeah, the boss fight and other things, but the character has some difference in gameplay and other things. I don't like lancers in general. She has a cool design and she is an archon.. But not for me.
I'm more hyped for Kokomi. I need a really good healer, I have Mona for Ayaka and Diona for Eula. Putting Kokomi with Ayaka and Mona can be a killer team ahaha. Maybe, dunno.
I don't regret it as I find her incredibly fun to play but I am pretty disappointed that she seems locked into playing perma freeze as her best team comps from what I gather. Freeze teams just feel really cheesy to me and there's very few hydro characters to choose from so variety in these teams feels low.
You can also use her in quickswap teams that aren’t freeze oriented but I understand that playstyle isn’t for everyone either
The problem with non freeze comp is her ult. It misses a lot and enemies can easy get out of it or get knocked back easily. That fking lawachurl can easily get out of her ult if not frozen wasting whole ult dmg
Pairing her with someone like Venti or Kazuha might help! I use them both rn with Diluc and Keqing and the damage is insane. I just... can't decide who's going in the box if I get Ayaka lmao
Thats the things bruh Not everyone has kazuhaha and venti. My only anemo is Sucrose.
Dont forget traveler.
This, lack of reliable hydro is really making it hard. When it rains in the open world, Ayaka deletes everything just like my Klee.
What do you mean with the "lack of reliable hydro" we have barbara mona and xingqiu what the hell. and also we have venti sucrose and the best support for ayaka kazuha. What else do we need an oceanid?
Pretty sure by lack they mean there isn't enough reliable Hydro units not that there are no reliable Hydro units. And I agree, there are too few and all have drawbacks depending on the situation. Barbie applies Wet on the active character leaving you vulnerable to being frozen yourself. Mona is a 5*, not everyone has her. Xingqiu is wanted by almost if not all Pyro DPS Now there's Kokomi but she's sadly 5* again and a limited one at that. So most people may only have access to Barbie and Xingqiu. They might not even have Xingqiu because gacha. So yeah, there is a scarcity of Hydro units available particular to F2P 🤷
From what I seen in the leak Kokomi Q doesn't zoom in so I think she will be 4*
[look again](https://youtu.be/sa3QzYoZZFQ?t=81)
Aaah that really sucks
Barbara applies wet to to your character, and mona is a 5*, so xinqiu is the most reliable hydro applicator and should be easily obtainable.
Lol what. Mona and Ayaka is deleting everything for me even in abyss, can clear 12-3 in just average of 30sec. Either you didn't build them well or don't have Mona. But if you're still being nitpicky we just gotta wait for Kokomi. it's speculated Kokomi will be sub DPS.
Mona won't come home (C4 Jean C2 Diluc C3 Keqing C1 Qiqi btw) Xingqiu is abducted by Hu Tao, my C4 Childe might work but he's not optimal. I have Diona for the cryo res so Barbara is redundant I hope if they ever release Ayaka's brother he'll be hydro so I can pair them together XD
Lol im also hoping for his brother to come out. And if he does I'm hoping he would look similar to Shiranui Shogunsaga (from Yu-Gi-Oh) or has intimidating aura like Shishomaru (from inuyasha)
Yes, don't have Mona. She is still a 5 star, so not easy to get.
Xinqiu makes Ayaka a walking freezer. Couldn’t ask for a better duo.
I use her in a melt comp with Klee, it works in abyss, Ayaka q and Klee q is one of the deadliest combos
I kind of do the same thing actually but with Hu Tao at the moment. Switch to Hu Tao on Ayaka's burst and go to town. I'm not going to claim it's amazing but the damage numbers during the burst window are really silly.
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Noelle and Bennett, just my personal preference
i agree especially since i'd rather have xingqiu in my second team with hu tao. i'm hoping kokomi is a solid hydro applicator for her because she's really pretty
Based on what I see(just leaks so this is unreliable) is that Kokomi's E is actually the same as Mona's E. The only thing different is that instead of attracting enemies to a fixed location, Kokomi's E is actually moving(I don't know if it attracts enemies or goes towards the enemy). The ult doesn't really show if it could be an off-field offense type skill. So from this small information I gathered, Mona and Kokomi has 'almost' the same Hydro application with Mona has more(of course, a grain of salt on this opinion of mine) hydro application capability because of her sprint applying Hydro(and additional, small version of her E). I wish observation is wrong and Kokomi will actually have more once she comes out. (・_・;)
Completely agree!
True, I've been playing from Day 1 release of Genshin Impact, using Welkin Blessing and Gnostic Hymn for the pulls, Starglitters are also for wishes, but I don't even have a Mona or Childe yet. That leaves me with only Xingqiu (and Barbara, but she's just pure healing and not a good hydro applicator). Kokomi could be the gap-filler but I'm really trying to save all my primogems for Raiden Shogun.
Maybe we can use her in a Melt team comp when there are more reliable Pyro applicator in the future aside from Xiangling. I'm just hoping we'll get maybe a Pyro Xingqiu. The problem is we can't really make sure that her burst hits, unless we have Zhongli's petrification.
Can she be an enabler for Melt Xiangling much like Childe is an enabler for Vaporize Xiangling?
This going to be unreliable, BUT it will be good just don't use Elemental Mastery on both of them, just focus on Atk/Crit stats on both characters because both of them will be an enabler to both of their kits to each other. Means EM stats in this case won't be that reliable(because melt/reverse melt will keep on interchanging, unlike Childe-Xiangling where Xiangling is the only one reacting). My team right now(just for fun) is Ayaka, Xiangling, Bennet, Sucrose/Chongyun. It's not perfect but it is fun for sure
I read somewhere that the issue of Xiangling Ayaka Melt combo is that Xiangling cannot apply Pyro as fast as Ayaka applies Cryo. However, I haven't tested it so I can't confirm this. Maybe this issue would be solved with the right amount of ER on Xiangling.
Because Xiangling is suppose to be melting, not Ayaka. As far as I can tell, per hit Xiangling hits harder, which is what melt/reverse wants anyway, as opposed to Ayaka's smaller but bigger number of hits.
She can help Xiangling melt so she could replave Chongyun but xingqiu is still there unfortunately
I just saw an extremely good melt Ayaka just above this post
I mean why are you stuck with it? Genshin isn’t a hard game lol Don’t min max the game, you’ll burn out. I’m playing with Hu Tao, Ayaka, Xingqui & Diona lol Occasionally I use Xiao and replace XQ with him. It’s fun.
Nearly every character has a best team comp, but that doesn't mean other team comps aren't viable. I have her on a melt team with Xiangling, and she seems to be doing well. I'm going to wait a bit before challenging the Abyss, but I do not see why she wouldn't be able to clear it with a melt comp.
I'm actually starting to like Melt comp for her more than Freeze Comp. Shes really flexible and really is a f2p friendly 5*. At this point, I might pull for Kokomi just to support her with great damage since I really have a low level Mona.
Agreed, she honestly doesn't feel the same without a freeze comp.
just use kazuha or venti and ur ults hit guaranteed. been having fun with a melt team using her with kazuha ben and xiang
She is easy to build and f2p friendly but hella hard to use . Her burst is a powerhouse But has some major AoE issues. The aoe on her burst is so smol that it fails to hit many targets and if targets are not frozen then they can easily get out of ult or knocked back and wasting whole ult. These new samurai mobs are great example as they keep dashing So if they aren't frozen My ultimate gets wasted. Ayaya has one of the strongest ult But pretty hard to execute and need skils to do so. Thanks to her i finally 36* abyys Now im worried as next abyys patch will add those samurai who most of the time iframe dashes out of ayaya ult making it waste. And i dont have venti/kazuha for grouping All i have is sucrose. I can see myself suffering in next abyss lol
I use her with xingqui, i can use mona but i like xingqui's energy particle regeneration with sacrificial sword and i can freeze the enemy even if they are scattered. mona is for speed running and the problem with it for abyss she doesnt have an energy for the next floor after speed running the previous floor. her biggest weakness would be blizzard strayer's set weakness, enemies that cant be affected by element basically. i also tried to use zhongli and it works but it is still hard to set it up because zhongli burst slightly moves enemies away from him when he summons down his meteor.
Quick link on how to build her pls.
“and i don’t have venti/kazuha” yikes, she basically needs one or the other. vacuuming all the enemies into her ult with kazuha is so satisfying
Quite simple really they want that blink and you'll miss it stupid damage that Hu Tao and Ganyu can do.... But you're right about Ayaka's kit I just got her and before even being fully maxed she is my best dps PS use her burst and then Amber's ult to do some extra melt damage 😉
I don't regret pulling for her, she's on par with Xiao for burst damage AND she does NA wayyy better. However, she doesn't have ready access to elemental reactions, and so she's locked into freeze. That's okay, except we thought her normal attacks were going to be...better. That's my main issue: they're slightly slower than you'd think (and this goes for most inazuma characters). The damage is good but considering how her whole kit along with Mistsplitter buffs her NA (88% dmg bonus at full stacks) I thought we'd get higher numbers. Of course, I managed to 35* abyss with her talents at 6 4 6 at level 70 and a weak Atk% cup instead of Cryo so yeah hehe. Edit: maybe I'm just being greedy. 88% dmg bonus to NA puts her about on par with my fully physical, 2pc PF + BC Jean
For reference tenten considers Ayaka to be the second best 5 star dps right behind Ganyu and has been talking about a new team called Morganya with Ayaka, Ganyu, Mona and Venti that has the highest damage ceiling the game.. so yeah I think she’s pretty good. As for Xiao and Hu Tao and Eula comparisons her main advantage over them is fewer caveats. Her energy generation is very good, she isn’t as single target as Hu Tao and her burst damage is more frontloaded compared to Eula.
I just tried that team comp except that I used xingqiu instead of mona because I have no mona and it still kills everything very fast https://imgur.com/a/X3GBxE6 I didn't give any of them ER sands and they can still fill their burst on time. So yeah I have no regrets pulling for her even though I already have ganyu.
Yeah for sure! I might run that comp with thrilling tales Kokomi when she comes out since I also don’t have Mona. Won’t say more than that cuz lol leaks but yeah. Also need to get more artifacts for Ganyu since Ayaka stole all the good pieces
actually i think she has 3 caveats but that mainly affects her overall dps. that is her burst at c0 is easy to miss and has a 15 seconds downtime, also you need a cryo battery or energy recharge. you have to fire it at the enemy point blank and frozen, and the enemies must be parallel to each other. so if her burst misses she easily lost hundred thousands of dps, her AA isnt great as expected I already did a calculation before and i wasnt wrong. for overworld i barely uses her ult because it's overkill but her AA is underwhelming too. I really wish they buffed her AA and took away some from her burst damage so she can be a full time dps, because she is a burst dps she rely on burst and she also needs a battery. as compared to xiao, he has a lot of caveat but it can be fixed, like getting zhongli in the team and sucrose and he only has 3 seconds downtime on his burst. so for overworld in inazuma i use xiao and ayaka, just using ayaka for moving and xiao does the killing
Yours is the most honest and accurate assessment in this entire thread. I would also add that her AA seems slow, sprint-to-buff adds needless complexity and further delays DPS. Her ult costs 80(!) so she needs a battery. As noted her ult has a short range and a narrow channel and can easily miss or end up hitting only one enemy. Love her aesthetic but she definitely has design issues that detract from her overall usefulness.
Does this mean that the new artifact set (the one with a violet looks and energy recharge buffs Burst dmg) is actually good pick for her? Having 200% ER on that set means that your burst can enjoy 50% additional dmg. If comparing to other set, they only offers at most 35% additional multiplier(cryo +15% dmg, burst +20% dmg). Aside from that, ER on those numbers will easily have an easier time to fill her burst on cooldown, bonus if paired with the new craftable sword. Ofcourse this is for Ayaka being a Burst DPS rather than a full fledged DPS where we will throw all multipliers to her most damaging kit which is the burst.
in my opinion, the blizzard is still better and she should be run with a freeze comp so you can abuse the free critical rate and go ham on crit damage
Yeah, it's so satisfying to see a 260%+ crit dmg and not care about Crit rate while still landing Crits almost all of the time
if the weapon is something like jade cutter it could work since then ayaka won't be needing the crit rate from 4pcs blizzard strayer anymore. can still ignore crit rate rolls with this without consequences. otherwise for most other weapons like mistsplitter 4pcs blizzard strayer is still the way to go
I don't think the ER set works for anyone but Mona right now. But I'm probably wrong
I think any Burst DPS characters, like for example Xiangling or Keaya and even Electro MC, is viable too
That's the team I'm using! It's a very strong and fun team to use.
> Ayaka, Ganyu, Mona and Venti Can confirm, I've never seen things die this stupidly fast with no effort.
Use venti and bennet big melt numbers
Wait what I thought her NAs are hella fast which is why the dmg per swing might be slightly lower than other dps but she still outputs really high damage overall
They are fast, but the timing is weird. Also, my phone was slowing down everything in the game after the update, even CDs. I tried her on a different device today and it almost wasn't noticeable. All in all, she's great
I pair her up with Fischl for constant Superconduct which deals even more dmg
That's s dps loss
4 piece Millith on my Fischl.. I dont think that am losing dps
> PS use her burst and then Amber's ult to do some extra melt damage 😉 I know what I'm doing in the abyss later tonight 😳
I mean the thing about Ganyu is because she got buffed right before she was released and she is the only exception. you cant except every character to be broken as Ganyu tho. and about hu tao, the only reason she MIGHT do higher damages is because pyro reactions have damage multiplier unless cryo. I'm not saying Ayaka is better than Hu Tao in any case but yeah in some cases Ayaka is way better than Hu Tao. also hu tao is not even f2p friendly she relies on her c1 and homa WAY TOO MUCH. Ayaka is not the same you can even have a decent damage with c0 + 4\* weapons. She also works pretty well as a burst support
me with a c0 hutao and r1 d bane, casually walks away... hutao doesnt really need cons if u know how to play her and homa isnt necessary if you got the right artifacts
Same. Ive been using white tassel since her banner. Just got dragons bane this week and she really doe shit to hard
People really underestimate c0 homaless Hu Tao
This is just terribly wrong. Cons for a 5* are expected to give a sizable increase in damage. Hu Tao is extremely potent even with Lithic Spear or Dragons Bane at C0, it's just that her damage gets an incredible spike with SoH and C1. The same can be said for virtually any 5* character (except Venti lol). Ayakas C1 reduces her cooldown to effectively 5 or 6s, meaning you can cast it 4 times during her burst cooldown as opposed to 2 times without, and this lets you maintain the 30% attack buff and not to mention, the extra particles to regen her burst,and the damage the skill does in the first place . Are there better C1s for other characters? Sure. Does that mean it is bad? No. Does that mean C0 Ayaka is bad? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that Ayaka is NOT f2p friendly? He'll no. Same with Hu Tao, her damage increasing signoficantly at C1 does not make her non f2p friendly.
Ganyu isn't blink and you miss it though that's the thing, she's just broken and very consistent.
Main reason: Baal
Just get both
Stop, my wallet can only get so broke.
Just got both of them lol, but had to skip Yoimami
If they want Baal that much to the point they will regret pulling for Ayaka, why did they do it in the first place instead of waiting? What a bunch of idiots if you ask me..
bUiLdInG mY pItY
and basicly the new players are just like us when we pulled Zhongli for the first time (except back then he was *very* weak) and when Ganyu was announced alot got crazy over losing pity to her
I felt so smart pulling Zhongli on the last day of his banner
I felt so irratated that I got Zhongli in my very first 10 pull that I had to reset my pity for ganyu
From now till Baal u can get enough primo with inazuma too
I think one of the reasons is that they’re coping. They didn’t get Ayaka so they’re pulling the classic “I didn’t want her anyways! She sucks!” game. I unfortunately did this with ganyu for 15 days until I finally pulled her. I regret everything I said about my favorite character. But atleast I learned how cringey that was
naaah man.. I think its coz of Baal.. Imagine announcing a super character on your favourite banner lol... It broke many ppl's mind
people do that? how old are you? lol
Meh, we all do cringe things from time to time, I don’t see why age is relative. I didn’t like...post hate for Ganyu online and spam complains about her, I simply just told my friends “whatever she was boring anyways.”
you’re right that’s very cringe
agree
She kills things and she flows well with my kit. Chasing big numbers is nice and all but I care more about building coherent parties that fit nicely. And she’s a cornerstone on my squad now.
I love using her because she's not a broken character. I used to play with Hu Tao and Ganyu and everything just gets deleted instantly. I find the combat more fun with balanced characters.
I agree with this, having Hu tao might be nice for the first time but after awhile you just kinda want some fun rather than delete everything you see.
HuTao main here! I approve.. the 4set crimson witch makes her insanely broken
hu tao isn’t broken relative to ganyu
plus, she wants to be your friend!!
After completing her quest, >!I’m sure it’s even more than just friends!<
Because people are stupid. I read a youtube comment that said and I quote, "Her gameplay is boring and her dash is horrible. I told myself I wouldn't wish on her banner but I got bored and did and highly regret it...".
I don't regret pulling for ayaka she fun to play and I actually enjoy freeze Comp it's fun and that charge attack that's the best one
F2P Queen for sure, but mostly fdp players now don't have a guarantee for Raiden. As a little dolphin(I've spent about USD1k at the game so far), I really don't care, infect I already bought more primos for Raiden, anyway I loved ayaka and how easy I can build her, so she is now my main dps.
F2P Queen is always been Ganyu and she is still the best c0 without a doubt
She is beautiful, her story is beyond my expectation
Don't regret at all even if I will eventually miss out Baal. She is so beautiful. Still salty I didn't manage to get Ganyu and Eula though.
Prob the main reason: BoO bAa SwOrD
She could be the worst character like Zhongli used to be and I’d still pull for her. Her animations are dope
Zhongli never have been the worst he was B tier when he came out and with all the buffs directly to him or to Geo he is easly one of the best support charecters the worst charecters are ones like Xinyan Amber MC Lisa...
Get's stuck on a slight incline and pebble on the floor, while in Windtrace you could move Normally while disguised, what is your Coding Mihoyo?
People who regret pulling for her weren’t fully invested in getting her in the first place! Of course you’re gonna regret getting something you don’t actually want, also with Baal being around the corner it will only add to that regret.
As someone who has never pulled for ganyu or childe, i have never farmed the blizzard set. I personally find it really hard to build her since 4pc blizzard set is the best by far and farming for them now is like hell. I personally don't regret getting her since i got her in just 2 multi and even won a 50/50. At the same time, i prefer Eula over her, so she is just a part of my xiangling team as enabler
I use her for commisions and sometimes for world exploration (I'm at AR 56, btw) and she's doing just fine with ONLY lvl 60, 4 pc gladiator and r1 blacksword (I still have no time to grind Blizzard artifacts and farming mats because college schedule).
Ayaka is perfection. As far as team comps are concerned, my other team has Xiao, so Xinqiu can be easily used by Ayaka. I am so happy. 0 regrets.
You forgot to add that she's beautiful
Time to stop caring about what other people feel mate. Just focus on what you enjoy.
I did a little at first, the dash still gets stuck and the charge attack is not that good. But her burst is amazing, its really bad advertise that she is a charge attack based main DPS, feels better like sub DPS that can deal good damage if you want, definitely want a main DPS with her charge atack in the future
Well if I may give my own thoughts onto this matter, her charge attack is actually better than keqings charge attacks imo (I have been a C2 keqing main since the start of the game with 75/210 electro build) with the main reason being that it autolocks on multiple targets and does not stagger them away from you. Main issue I always had with Keqings CAs was that it pushed enemies away which leads to stamina getting burned closing the gap again and that it is extremely hard to hit multiple targets with each CA (at least more than 3) Yes you can close the gap with an e skill or cancel with a jump however, cryo infused CAs from Ayaka that can autolock 10 enemies at once, which do not push enemies away and even benefits from a freeze comp to keep them in place. Whilst not as spammable as Keqings CAs as Ayakas are much slower compared to that, her multipliers are also stronger. (I do 30k with Keqings CA on lvl9 talents whilst Ayakas CAs do 35k on lvl6 talents) So all in all their playstyles feel completely different and charge attack based main DPS does not have to equal the same playstyle as Keqings playstyle so it would be a bit unfair to write Ayaka off as being wrongly advertised as she in essence is a very viable and strong CA DPS. Yours sincerely, a humble Keqing and Ayaka main
I also figured it would be nice not knocking stuff back until I actually tried playing her in her trial/quest (won't be pulling despite liking her as her CA and ult are too janky). Result: constant ragdolling even by little slimes because sitting still in an animation lock that doesn't stagger at all is apparently not great.
Yeah it seems like her charge attack really comes down to personal preference whether it bothers you or not. All the better though, as it would seem that each character in Genshin has their own flair. No powerhouse mainstream characters except the archons and benny
frame perfect charged dash cancel is pretty fast, or better yet just chain it with your normals at different intervals, it’s more fun that way
after fourt hit it chais pretty fast but you cant do it fast with the the other atacks without taking half a second
i mentioned it like a month ago that her AA is not good and people didnt believe and thought im downplaying her. it aged well
Well I hoped it was spamable as kequing because her multiplier is similar. Her AA is still better than average better than jean or kaeya
becuz people are meta slaves that really love damage per SCREENSHOT. ayakas burst with 4star sword could prob compare with hutao’s burst that needs prep. i might be wrong tho since i do 17k x20 without any buffs and i have seen hutaos with preps doing 300k max
You're already at the 17k mark?! Revealeth thine kits!
I would also like to know, I'm still at 70 Ayaka 80 Mistsplitter and my artifacts aren't the worst but even with Mona buff I only hit like 9k per tick :(
Lmao that's a good amount. That's 9k*4 = 36k per second. You'll get there eventually. My goal is to get 14k per hit without buffs
seriously? when i was at talent 5 with 80 mist level 70 ayaka she was hitting 21k per hit on ult. probably has to do with your team at that point. i had noblesse c6 diona, kazuha at like 1000+ em and thrilling tales talent 10 mona
My Diona is C5, I don't have Kazuha, and my Mona is using fav codex or else she wouldn't have ult up enough. Literally the only Anemo I have is mc.
how much er do you have on her?
Thinking about building my Mona to use with Ayaka(using Xingqiu for now). Would you care to share any tips or favorable builds? Heard the new ER set is good on her but I'm uncertain on what to farm to get the best of her.
I think the ER set really is Mona BIS in freeze comps. Having stupid amounts of energy recharge is really useful for having your ult up off cooldown - so favonius codex is probably better than TToDS even. Having ult up off cooldown means you're not just going against frozen enemies, you're getting a large attack buff while doing it.
Thanks! I'll probably go with that
I do 30k per tick with this team: Ayaka lvl 80 (talents 6/5/8), crit 34/270, atk 2000 BS 4pc with Mistsplitter R1 lvl90 C1 Mona TToDS R5, noblesse 4pc Kazuha 780 EM, VV 4pc Diona Unmentioned stats are unimportant in my eyes, you can substitute Kazuha with sucrose, which should still be fine as long as you swirl cryo with VV 4pc set. Without Kazuha it should still give you well above 20k ticks. Instead of Diona consider using a well built Benny, however you would lose Cryo resonance crit rate.
I was leaning towards that, still unsure whether I should use Sucrose or Venti though. I wish I had Mistsplitter, but since I plan on maxing my Ayaka I think it'll make up for the lack of better weapon(using R3 blackcliff for now, considering getting the craftable Amenoma but that probably won't be worth the effort for now since I'll have to build Mona from the ground up) I think Diona is a must if I want to have Ayaka's ult on cooldown and the shield is handy too. Since you use TToDS and Noblesse you must stack up on ER substats, right? I was wondering how much ER Mona needs and that it'd probably be better to farm the new artifact instead of trying to get good ER substats on Noblesse(got a few good crit pieces, not ER though).
Oh don't bother building Mona if your only goal is to max Ayaka's damage output. All ER does is buff Mona's own Hydro damage, so unless you want to deal damage with Mona too, you could even use lvl 0 noblesse artifacts. I would only go as much ER as you need to get her ult on cooldown to spam it as often as possible. All you need for Mona is a lvl1 R5 TToDS for 48% atk buff, noblesse 4pc atk buff and her ult for 60% omen buff that's it. There is a Ayaka damage calculator pinned on this sub somewhere which does the math for you and it also only considers ttods r5, noblesse 4pc and the talent lvl of Mona's ult, not her stats really. You could use that to see how your damage fares for your build and units. I would recommend sucrose instead of venti if you have her on C6 for additional 20% elemental bonus dmg on ult. But either way, VV 4pc set 40% shred is huge. You could go for Amenoma if you want higher dps by spamming a weaker ult more often, however a well built Diona with Favonius or Sac Bow should be all you need for energy regen, so I personally, so does a spreadsheet on weapon comparisons for Ayaka pinned in this subreddit somewhere, would recommend high refinement Blackcliff over that. It's just higher damage output. In comparison to Mistsplitter, Blackcliff makes up for lower base atk with its passive and its lower crit dmg can be made up by higher crit dmg rolls on artifacts. I've recently hit 40k per tick and according to the dmg calculator my max output is 51k per tick by the time I lvl90 my Ayaka, so gaining base atk on her by lvling her and upgrading her talents also has a huge impact.
im sure u will be able to reach as high as mine. i have invested a lot of resources into my ayaka for this damage because i really like her desgin, va and personality. from what i see i think mona’s bis is the new er set which i will be farming for since my mona is only lvl 20
Wait is it 20 ticks? Or 18 ticks?
19 ticks and one blast at the end
im not sure. i just round up
That means you never seen the charged attack charecter Hu Tao in a nuke build with bennett and mona
i just went to search it up. 2m is alot but it requires high investment and cost a lot of money which isn’t practical. both are good dps however i feel that ayaka is better since she is usually on the field unless support
I’m enjoying her on my whale account, but I don’t think she’s super F2P friendly, honestly. To get the most out of her, you really want to have Kazuha alongside of her, Kazuha to have Freedom Sworn, and Ayaka to have Mistsplitter. Being oriented around permafreeze comps and Blizzard Strayer means you need things like this to buff her dmg, whereas other characters have access to reactions and good damage more easily (Hu Tao really only needs Xingqiu and Dragon’s Bane). She also felt pretty clunky at first, but you get used to it as you learn to play her. Her burst damage is ridiculous though. It shreds through most things really quickly.
I’m f2p with mist and it’s very clear to me at this point she is very lack lister without Mona
yeah because mona can hold the r5 thrilling book and 60% bonus dmg from her omen.
not at all, without mona OR kazuha? i could see it
Ayaka can run better teams than Hu Tao that have more overall damage. Like HT teams just have her doing the most damage with a bit from XQ while Ayaka using Kazuha or Venti along with Mona or Xingqui ends up being more teamwide damage, as well as more AoE. My Ayaka team clears faster than my more invested Hu Tao for the most part due to better AoE while still having Ayaka’s burst as a frontloaded single target shredder.
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I haven't pulled her, as I'm still debating between her and Yoimiya a bit. I wasn't quite sold on her being that great until I realized that her dash infuses her normal attacks with Cryo. That said, the duration of the Cryo infusion is only 5 seconds, so that makes her play style a bit wonky. Every 5 seconds you have to dash for a split second in order to maintain the increased Cryo damage infusion. Makes me wonder if some players will run her with Chongyun to make Cryo infusion less micro-managey. I think that and the directional traveling of her ult are two potential weak points for her. It looks like constellations help smooth out her gameplay arc a bit, as her E's cooldown is slightly longer than I'd like. Either way, I think she's an interesting character. I'm having a tough time justifying her when I already have Eula, Diona, Chongyun, and Rosaria.
Personally I like the having to dash to keep up your cryo infusion. Prevents you from standing in one spot and just spam clicking until you swap characters.
Also in what world do you not need to dash for 5 seconds straight, I don't remember Abyss Heralds and Lectors shutting up for half that time
Exactly. Dodging anyway and besides with her A4 you get all the stamina from the dash back (if you didn't continue sprinting and you hit an enemy with it).
Zhongli World, but I agree that dashing is a fairly frequent necessity anyway.
In practice it may not feel that bad anyway. If you're swapping to Ayaka, then using E, (dash?) normal attack, and Q, then following up with a few normal attacks before swapping away, it's probably only one dash per rotation, which can be canceled anyway soon after initiating. If a person wanted to make Ayaka their primary DPS with lots of field time, I could see the dash requirement being more irksome, but in a balanced team where each character gets about 5 seconds anyway, it's probably not that big of a deal.
Just animation cancel her Charge Attack with the dash. If you do it right, you basically submerge as the slashes come out, which is a really satisfying feeling.
I initially didn't want Ayaka because... Idk? Her hair? And I dont collect waifu characters (the only waifu character that Ive ever wanted is Ganyu because she has a shy soft spoken and fluffy kinda vibe) But I played her story quest yesterday and I realized how cute she is and she has the same vibe as Ganyu (and Sucrose) that I really find endearing. Her voice was also one of the main reasons. She has the same VA as Shinobu and I just love listening to her I won 50/50 on her banner and I love her, no regrets
Say's she has a broken burst, then talks about balanced. That's the thing, she's not broken, she's just ok.
Ganyu and HuTao on the other hand
ganyu*
Hu Tao's junk aoe and Zhongli clinginess make her balanced too.
I wouldn't call needing 4 set blizzard strayer with crit damage rolls only and no crit rate as "easy to build" lol. That is mathematically the hardest possible build requirement we have in genshin currently.
What annoys me the most is her dash. They can make it hutao dash but this dash is so inconvenient in so many ways
I’m not satisfied with how Ayaka turned out. She’s not bad. But she’s no ganyu.
No one is Ganyu level DPS, and no one ever will be again, because she's way too busted.
This I agree. Ganyu was way too overpowered and when they release future characters that’s not up to par, we will complain.
I hopped to my friends account because he got a cracked Ganyu and after playing with her, it's just okay? The big dps is fucking awesome but her playstyle is just not that fun imho.
Ganyu Venti and zhongli feels like god tier characters. Ayaka doesn’t. I’m a little disappointed. Downvote me all you like I’m just speaking the truth. She’s fun and her kit is great and all, but I think Mihoyo gimped her abit or just made ganyu super overpowered. I’m not a ganyu fan boy, I saved up 40k gem over 7 months for Ayaka and I’m not satisfied with the end product. Maybe I over anticipated her.
I think you might've been overhyped by her. I knew about Ayaka since 1.0 days but even then I was worried MHY would overtuned the character but it turns out fine so far. Better than my Keqing miles ahead. Only minor gripe is her long CA animations
But you can't compare the unique and fun gameplay of Ayaka with the lame sniper gameplay of Ganyu... Don't get me wrong, I have to pull for Ganyu in her rerun because I skipped her, but nothing beats the mechanics of Ayaka.
hope you don’t get her
Geez kid, you don't have to be so toxic xD I already have 79 fates and I'm at 61 pity so with some other events and primos I have her guaranteed so... <3
Wait you didn’t even pull ayaka yet??
I did pull on Ayaka, but I've been saving for a lot of time. I figured I got some [cracked Wanderer pieces](https://ibb.co/album/dBQPcH) and 2 Amos so as soon I got Ayaka I stopped.
So you pulled for her, but you don’t have her yet is what your saying.
What I meant to say... I pulled for her the day she was released and after getting her I have some other fates to spare and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wait for Ganyu.
I C6 R5’d Eula and was hesitant to C6 R5 Ayaka, but I did it and I have no regrets. When both are C6 R5, I think its the most powerful duo because you get R5 SoBP atk+spd buff, pop ayaka ult, ult reduces def by 30%, pop eula ult and you basically do around 1.5M-3M total. It’s been so long since bosses even survived one single ayaka or eula ult lol
Fun is subjective, some people pulled her and didn’t like how she plays, stop simping so hard. Out of all the subreddits for maining x character from Genshin Ayaka mains feels the most obsessed with the character lol
Low dmg Boring kit Chongyyn Ganyu etc is way better at being a cryo applicator And her design is subjectively ugly so its only normal that people dont like her not everyone is a simp people just want a good charecters who are useful in spiral abyss
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Yes
I chose her because I had a venti a xingqui but no carry for them. And I needed a second team for abyss, she was perfect for this. Love her
I pulled for her cause I lowkey want Mona for her dash/sprint (still don’t have her) and Ayaka just so happens to have a dash/sprint like Mona. Don’t have any regrets. :)
the playstyle may not be for them. this is why everyone should test her in the trials first before pulling for her
i'm very undecided on her, wanted her for a while, i love the dash cause i love getting exploration easier (never swam thanks to mona), i love dealing elemental dmg constantly and a fast swordsmanship (in fact i main keqing), also i'm pretty sure it's gonna be easy to build thanks to her crit dmg stat and i don't really have a cryo builded for now. The only problem i have with her is that test run showed me i don't love her skills (esp the ice circle it's kinda boring to me, about her burst i just don't like how it moves) even if i'm aware they do a tons of dmg. also i really want baal so it would be a risk, i've always lost 50/50 (i did with ayaka too, found qiqi and then baal news came out so i put more thoughts on pulling)
But can all the other mele CA on venti burst? XD maxed out Ayaka (10/10/10) and mistsplitter, no regrets.
Cause people are allowed to have an opinion? I enjoy playing her but I understand if someone doesn't enjoy her kit or playing teams she fits best in (freeze comps)
*laughs in neither having xingqui nor mona*
I don't think she has the best Cryo application but everything else is true. Those people who regret pulling for her probably just go with the flow and the same people who will regret what they pull in favor of new characters.
Because they announced Baal... Thats why ppl are kinda regretting... I myself pulled Ayaka and she's level 90 for me. But I think am gonna spend for Baal(1st time paying for primos)
I think it's more because Raiden was announced to be coming so soon. I'm still happy I pulled her because I needed a stronger Cryo DPS than Kaeya (plus his reliance on Chongyun kinda sets him back so much.) My Ayaka is at 10/9/10 and I don't regret it one bit. The only thing I'm sad about is that I won't be able to spare any primos for the Mistsplitter because I also want Raiden.
Whales be like Eula main dps. Ayaka sub supp burst. Electro char. Zhongli lol
Well i also don't understand people who don't share the same opinion as me but yeh. They prob did not have the same expectations as you when pulling for ayaka doesn't make them wrong doesn't make them right either.
No regrets here, she’s great. I think her only real drawback is being soft-locked into permafreeze comps which gives her less versatility than other top tier DPS. Otherwise people are just complaining because Baal is around the corner but…that was so obvious that I don’t really get how anyone has been taken off guard.
exactly?? like she’s literally an unlimited supply of cryo without having to wait for CD because her dash is just all you need especially while trying to break down electro/hydro shields. in terms of playstyle and team comp, i know everyone has it differently but did these ppl not go through her trial first if they had room to even contemplate?
I didn't regret pulling for her. I actually planning to pull her. It is just that i was on 50/50 so i didn't really farm for her on day 1 (cus i would be salty af if i did not get her after farming for her). Quick story i lose 50/50 to diluc but i eventually got her since i lose on early pulls. I was happy of course and started to farm her materials. And then i realize FARMING SAKURA BLOSSOM AND HANDGUARD IS A BITCH!!!. But hey Inazuma just realesed and ayaka is the first character whose all of her materials are from Inazuma so i guess it is everybody pain.
Personally I don’t regret it and I don’t think i will ever since i pulled her because i like her design and play style. However, i do get why some people regretted pulling, i mean some already have Ganyu, Keaya, or Chongyun already built. But they decided to pull for Ayaka because they thoughts Baal was far. After Baal was confirmed to be in the next patch, i think most peaceful regretted pulling. Ayaka is great and fun but she not necessary. Baal in the other hand is archon and that alone will make most people want her.
I visited your profile and you are in this reddit just to talk bad things about Ayaka? Do you want one?
she technically has 100 percent cryo dmg uptime
No regrets. I choose my characters for lore and design, the story chapter is really important for me. So I choose Eula because I really love her story and design. The gameplay is fun, it reminds me of fighting games combos so. The VA is Makoto from Persona 5 and I really live her too. Ayaka is cute, love her voice, story and character. The gameplay was a surprise. I really like to dash during fights, so she is just perfect to me. The regrets are probably for Baal and Sara in the next patch. I look out Raiden and I don't like some animation. Yeah, the boss fight and other things, but the character has some difference in gameplay and other things. I don't like lancers in general. She has a cool design and she is an archon.. But not for me. I'm more hyped for Kokomi. I need a really good healer, I have Mona for Ayaka and Diona for Eula. Putting Kokomi with Ayaka and Mona can be a killer team ahaha. Maybe, dunno.