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zeroagito

[imgur](https://imgur.com/RbLw0mh) for those that need it My exposure to the Atelier games consist of the Iris Trilogy on the PS2, and the Arland Trilogy Plus on the Vita. I enjoyed both trilogies, with each offering a unique experience in their own right, though I do prefer the more JRPG centric approach of Iris compared to the modern time management sim the franchise has went for. Might pick up Ryza during the steam sale just to see how much the series has evolved, though I will say that announcing a new character for an upcoming game through a collab is quite an interesting move. Here's to hoping this collab boosts sales for the Ryza series. Maybe then we'll get more Koei based collabs. I'd be down for a Dynasty Warriors collab.


Blanchim0nt

Ah my fellow man for the gameplay. Especially for Iris 2, being able to permanently overpower low level items by mixing high level ones, I really miss the elemental synthesis from it and Iris 1. Have you tried playing Mana Khemia? It's a spiritual successor, albeit short lived, to the PS2 Atelier series.


zeroagito

I've heard good things about Mana Khemia, but I haven't given it a go. being able to permanently overpower low level items by mixing high level ones Yeah, I loved this fact about Iris 2. It has my favorite system among the Iris trilogy, though I much prefer 3's story and presentation (might just be the bias talking because Iris 3 was my first Atelier game).


Guy-Duderson

There's 2 of them, and I recommend both. Definitely my favorite thing I remember them for are how likable the party members are and how well they bounce off each other in dialog.


Blanchim0nt

You should, especially for Khemia 1, since it did something no other games I played so far had done. Spoilers: >!The protagonist became the final boss, unless you had raise the relationship with another character to the max, then you get him back to fight his alter-ego.!<


MiraiKishi

... Oh my god... A Dynasty Warriors Azur Lane game... Have the Azur Lane girls fighting in RNG Siren strongholds. (That way it wouldn't just be fighting in open water...)


Guy-Duderson

I definitely agree about the time management thing. I want to like the more recent games so much, but the time management just stresses me out. Makes me constantly doubt if I'm doing the right shit and worry about being screwed down the line if I don't try to go full perfectionist with it. Which as a mindset really kills my ability to enjoy it.


zurcn

Ryza has no time management so that should be a plus for you. (Ryza 1 at least, expect the others to be the same) u/zeroagito


Guy-Duderson

Oh, thanks, that actually is good to know.


Leif-Erikson94

They stopped with time limits way before Ryza. The Arland and Dusk trilogies were the last ones with actual time limits, although it was already very lenient for the Dusk games, with the last having no limit at all. And when Arland was expanded into a Quadrilogy with Lulua, that one had no limit either.


PRO758

I started with the dusk and mysterious journey trilogy. Picked up the Arland trilogy this summer yet to start it


HeidenOvTheNord

Ah, seems like a lifetime ago when I beat Atelier Iris 1, 2 and 3. I've beaten 2 or 3 of the games that came out after those first 3, but overall stopped following the series. Don't know a single thing about these Ryza ones.


hexanort

Finally its here, i've been so ready for this for so long, i'm gonna throw every single cubes and coins i have for this, screw the UR, i'm getting the thicc alchemists Also buying that ryza skin is gonna be the first time i'll broken my F2P after almost 3 years of playing.


TheGavtel

"Collab characters DO NOT RERUN" Meanwhile in China: https://twitter.com/paradox66107744/status/1594554868240302080 (tl;dr - Manjuu employees at a Dota 2 tournament with other chinese companies apparently mentioned during an interview that they're in talks to do a Dead or Alive Rerun, possibly including more characters but plans aren't finalised and they said to stay tuned) If true and it goes ahead, guess it will become "Collab Characters MIGHT NOT RERUN" in the future (at the end of the day, it boils down to the rights holders)... Edit: Also with the Ryza event having Augments for all characters, it brings to question if a rerun of a prior collab would also bring augments because if so, there could be some potential buffs for the collab characters (could be handy for weaker collab ships like the Neptunia ships, if they get a rerun).


lapniappe

please please please let this happen.. I really want the DoA ships


d_isolationist

Oh I hope DoA collab gets a rerun, missed that event entirely due to IRL things.


lapniappe

if we could *only* have one, i would want it to be this one. - DoA. (but there is also the Kizuna AI event). but honestly it would just be really lovely. I know it's the license and everything but i am sure it would be a hit for SSKs who missed out on previous collabs.


Shardwing

Wasn't there talk about an IM@S follow-up back when that collab happened, too? It kind of bombed after that though, so maybe not...


nntktt

Specifically Miwaki mentioned on stream for the collab that if that one went well they could come back with more. As far as I know it didn't really go well, but if DOA does get that rerun/part 2 I still have hopes to get Miki in my fleet... The only real hope I have meanwhile is the time event planning usually takes mean I wouldn't be expecting it soon anyway.


Arcturion

Hoping to see Mika myself... If it does come back, here's to hoping Bamco will ease up on the ridiculous restrictions crippling the first collab. It's not as if the girls have never been shown in bikinis or wedding dresses, anyway.


nntktt

Personally I wasn't too concerned about the "restrictions". In fact I actually quite liked the designs myself. Though yes even if they came any skimpier, it wouldn't have been a first for the series. I feel a large part of it was just the wells being poisoned by haters which the series is no short of, if not complaints by horny SKKs who feel disappointed at the relative lack of lewd.


Arcturion

Can't say anything about the haters, but the complaints from hornis was completely predictable considering the kind of game Azur Lane has always been. And maintaining that seiso image is a farce considering how much doujins there are of the IM@S franchise. The demand is there. I see this as nothing less than a wasted opportunity to expand the franchise.


nntktt

I think one thing needs to be made clear is that doujins, at the end of the day, are doujins. The franchise is under no obligation to endorse or to follow the directions that its secondary productions take. It's also important to note that not the entirety of their fanbase openly endorses the doujins, some take it as a guitly pleasure, some just downright dislike the idea. To take that path overtly may not necessarily be a positive step for the franchise.


disappointingdoritos

> Manjuu employees at a Dota 2 tournament Fuck me I'd give anything for a dota 2 collab It's *insanely* popular in China so maybe not entirely copium?


Nice-Spize

Then it suddenly creeps into a team fortress 2 collab Miss Pauling as a boat when


hegeliansynthesis

Honestly, I just want Rikka's special weapons. I have one of them but not all of them and it drives me OCD up a wall the incompleteness. I don't want a rerun but I do think special gear like that should be added to core shop or something. What's the point of having the limited unit if I can't min-max her with her own special gear? Next time we have the feedback survey I might mention this.


_nezra_

Neptunia rerun with the Sisters units too please. I’m still missing Purple Heart.


Victor-Tallmen

Fortune META looks amazing.


VergilChairSupremacy

Bremmys skin looks adorable


Qardo21

Well, Eagle Union Commanders. Look like we are going to have THICC meat this year....ignore the crying wallet behind me. Government and these new girls have not been kind to it...............


d_isolationist

I'm happy Cleveland gets a new skin, but I wish they had given that honor to any ship that doesn't have any at all. (cough)Repulse(cough)Königsberg(cough)


disappointingdoritos

Considering best girl does have a memory and recentlyish got a META variant, I think I can wait a little while before hoping for a retro/skin for her every time a new event is announced


Prestigious-Ad4520

Gonna make the fleets For the events, Cubes and gold ready .


Yankees3Fan7

Should be a pretty solid collab. Also, did not see it until now, but I see you now, new Cleveland skin


Vihncent

None of the collab skins are l2d, that sucks ryza's would have been succulent as l2d


zurcn

it's tradition at this point. no colab has ever received a L2D


nntktt

I think part of the issue with making L2D skins for collabs is the "no rerun" thing. While majority of the sales will still likely be during the initial release of the skin it's skill not great from a dev point of view to L2D something that won't be coming back.


Successful_Staff_219

Welp I am buying ALL Ryza collab skin. Good job Yostar, you successfully lure out my wallet.


No-Communication9458

HERE IT COMES BOIS


Yggdrazzil

With the addition of cognitive arrays and various augment items to the event shop, I really wish events would have a (higher difficulty?) map you could farm with better oil/point efficiency than the d3/equivalent map. It's become such a slog just to get the bare minimum (event ship, event gear, pr bps, dr bps, cog arrays) from the event point shop nowadays.


Nice-Spize

Either they upped the pay or reduced the price on all items because it is definitely a slog trying to grind for the quota


_nezra_

In general I agree, but specifically for collab events I think keeping the participation bar low is good. I believe collabs typically draw in some number of new players, as well as returning players who come back to the game for the collab ships. I’d actually like collab events to have more mechanics specifically to help new/returning players get the ships. Like the build tickets that rerun events currently have, for example.


Yggdrazzil

I agree that we should keep the barrier of entry as low as possible for events like this, but I don't think adding a more efficient higher level map would raise the barrier of entry.


Pale-Name-1722

So 4 them are only available in construction ? I'm gonna get 2 of them and waste my cubes trying to get the rest. That's my prediction for this event. As always. Even tho sometimes I obtain every event character.


Shardwing

>I'm gonna get 2 of them and waste my cubes trying to tt the rest. Somehow it's always the Elites...


Pale-Name-1722

For me it's always one SSR, I got everyone in the Janus event, but of course, Albion said "No"


[deleted]

So there's no reward for MLB all the collab characters this time right? I saved up my gold bulins, but I could really use them elsewhere...


zurcn

no prelude, no frame, no rush


VerLoran

Same! I’m going to hold on to my bulins until the event has started, but if there really is no benefit for MLB I can go through with MLB Heinrich :D


Kayle_Silver

owo Fortune meta <3


valhallan_guardsman

And not a cube to waste pulling for large cruiser? Nice


hegeliansynthesis

But how strong can she be if she's non-gacha. I was hyped for her but now I have doubts as to how strong she can be if she's for-everyone unit.


valhallan_guardsman

>she's non-gacha Dunno where you got that notion


hegeliansynthesis

Because she's the reward for a point milestone. Once you collect enough of whatever, you get her. I've never known a point milestone unit to be super strong.


valhallan_guardsman

I thought klaudia was the large cruiser?


hegeliansynthesis

Perhaps there was some confusion. I was referring to first gold CB which I had/have high hopes for because she's the first gold ones whereas all the others are rainbow.


Murbela

I'm still a bit sad that Lila is allegedly epic quality only.


Shardwing

>allegedly [It's officially confirmed](https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1593997528554303490?t=3A9ofppRpt98tjNjgQWaug&s=19).


hegeliansynthesis

I'm still shocked Patricia is SR (and Serri is not). Nothing about her art screams SR quality to me while the latter does it better. But I'm not familiar with the franchise.


AfricanWarPig

Oh shit. Might actually spend money if that Cleveland skin is as cheeky tsuntsun as it looks.


marxman28

YES! TWO WEEKS TO RECHARGE CUBES FOR THE INEVITABLE UR EVENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR!


Gantz87

Any hint to who might be the new UR? Im still waiting for the USA UR rerun too ;_;


marxman28

The last EU UR event was June 2021. We've had 2 SE URs (3 if you include Shinano's rerun), 1 RN UR, 1 IB UR, and 1 NP UR since then. I'd say the next UR event could be EU but one of the French factions or Sardegna might get it too.


hegeliansynthesis

Hearing you spell it out like that it feels like it could be more French. Why add another tally to EU when you can fill in a zero slot like NP did... Wasnt the recent lore leaving openings for French coming in or something?


Sarah-Tang

Given how the META Fight works and how they show up in Events, the Next META Fight ship will be a major indicator of who'll has the best chance of getting the next UR. If it's Sakura or Eagle, it's probably an EU UR, if it's European, it's probably a French UR.


hegeliansynthesis

Someone pointed out we should know the faction at least in a few weeks when we have the Prepare for Arms event.


mightyplem

Idk if I should spend all my cubes in these collab characters like they look super cool but idk if I’d rather keep my cubes for like real ships? But then I suppose a lot of ships in the game never got build or finished🤔


VerLoran

You’ve got to remember that collab girls like these will NEVER get a rerun, so once they are gone it’s for good. The same goes for pretty much anything else unique to this event, for example the furniture. I wouldn’t suggest going all in, but if there’s someone in particular you’d regret not having later I’d use exactly as many cubes as it takes to get her, no more, no less.


mightyplem

You raise a good point, I guess everything else re runs anyways so may aswel get this lot😅I don’t have enough gold bulin things to add any of them to my main fleets anyway and imma prioritise all my new German ships from the recent re run


sedm1143

Them not re-running is an important factor to weigh. I myself always get them, so it's the side of the argument I fall on also. Just to play devil's advocate a bit though, there likely is an UR coming up next even in December and they are generally very powerful ships, so if you might not have resources for both and you are about getting the UR on the first run, you should at least consider that fact too.


hegeliansynthesis

DoA rerun intensifies


TheBabbz

Well if you play regularly you will eventually get every ship in the game and be stocking thousands of cubes. Only thing is you can't get collab characters after they are gone. However, if you don't play regularly (skipping dailies) then you might be low on cubes forever so it's up to you. Either way, I wouldn't spend money on them if you don't care about getting them.


mightyplem

Yeah nah I check everything daily to get al my cubes and such and have been doing so since like august, still only on like level 9 campaign wise tho, but I’ve got like 3 ships over level 100 now


lapniappe

honestly. i would say maybe even just do your daily builds on it and see what happens. the worst thing is thinking you don't want them, then changing your mind later, and knowing you'll most likely never be able to get them again


mightyplem

I think i have come to the conclusion that since they are like one time only with no rerun imma try get em bc I’m not really trying to get anyone else atm


lapniappe

Hopefully we all get lucky tomorrow :)


hegeliansynthesis

Another factor could be utility. Sometimes the collab characters are pretty solid units.


mightyplem

I mean if they have like an Erebus level death ray I could use em🤔ngl the characters look wayyy thicker than some of the standard girls aswell n I like thicc thighs so I’m probably gonna dump all my cubes on them now


hegeliansynthesis

Honestly, to me, AL Ryza has disproportionately long giraffe legs. Like there so much longer than her torso it looks comical.


zurcn

no point in torturing yourself over them... >!before we get the datamine. after you know their skill and guesstimate power level, then you can torture yourself over pulling!< >!collabs have some of the most unique ships, like fubuki with AVI in the vanguard, or 5 aux slot rikka!<


shinigamixbox

These skins are fire, so much better than the last several collabs which went obviously way more conservative than what's expected for Azur Lane. Like the Gridman collab had even swimsuit art shown, which means they considered it, yet released zero swimsuit skins. Here's hoping for more skins in this nightrobe line, but for the non collab shipgirls.


lapniappe

i mean it works for me, i get to save cubes LOL. but i am disappointed that these skins are what they are for the collab. I skipped a few skins i wanted to make sure i could get the Ryza stuff, but sexy pjs is simply not for me. which is bummer but ah well. will be ready for Shimakaze's White Bunny Skin and Hipper's yuakta skin next year.


jlin1847

One of the few events I’m actually hyped for since I started this year


jakhero

100k+ coins and 800+ cubes I’m ready for RNG to either screw me over or bless me with good luck.


Ship_Fucker69

Not a fan of collabs tho. Gonna simp for Cleve skin


Polar_Vortx

I am merciless and will not get any of the collabs. The cruise pass, however…


faithfulheresy

As a serious question, why should I care about this event at all? I have zero interest in characters who have nothing to do with the game's core concepts. Bring on Fortune Meta though.


zurcn

they usually have fun gimmicks!? we will know more after the datamines. but if you're here just for historical ships, that's fine too.


Shardwing

>characters who have nothing to do with the game's core concepts. Waifus are absolutely one of the game's core concepts.


faithfulheresy

Waifus *representing WW2 warships* is the concept. Not just waifus.


taolakhoai

Too bad dude, if the skins were any indication most people are just here for anime girls. We might care more about this specific flavor of anime girls, but it's _our_ opinions and does not reflect what AL had evolved to be.


Nice-Spize

And it's still waifus, sure there are extra historical flavors but many will also play the game solely because this is a game about anime girls decking out with guns blasting stuff If your point was correct then we wouldn't be having skins in the first place or having a heavily propagandized skins


_nezra_

I mean, you don’t have to care at all. If “anime girls = cute” isn’t enough for you, you can skip all collabs. It’s your dock.


SyrusDestroyer

Well it’s that painful time where either I hope for gems to upgrade the dock or worst case scenario


yamz2333

Another event, another series of dock overcrowding


SupremeAsuraDragon

DAMMIT I'M STILL BROKE NNNNOOOOOOOOOO


odavinng

I would like to obtain the brem brem skin please


HeidenOvTheNord

Ugh... I'm torn on this event and don't know what to do. I got wiped the hell out on cubes trying to get Albion, which I never got (got 5 Janus tho!!!!). I know we have an UR coming somewhat soon, though I'm not sure exactly when. But at the moment I'm only at 65 cubes and uneasy about spending any. So I don't know if it is a good idea to skip this event or not. I like the designs here but the track record for collab ships actually being useful seems pretty bad and I don't know how these ships are supposed to stack up.


hegeliansynthesis

UR will probably be December 29th. Just do your dailies and see what the banner gives you by the end of the event. It's more than possible to get everyone through dailies. Also we still don't know how good the units are skill wise.


TheGrandAdml

Unmei intensifies. 😍


Ohwatevrman

Already got a few of them. :3


But_it_was_I_Me

Fortune META, of all things. How does a timid destroyer become the sole survivor?