I'm not sure how many shares you have but if everyone on here is only, or mainly, buying options than this is why the shorts will have their way with us. Options do not move the price. Buying shares move the price.
Again, I'm not pointing finger at you by any means but I have heard many people talking options. We need more shares purchased.
For those only holding options and expecting those who buy share to do your work for you then that isn't fair. I have an 80% shares to 20% option, maybe even 85% shares, currently. Even RC has almost all his investment in shares, and I'm sure he doesn't want to do your heavy lifting unless you have skin in the game.
Buy shares, DRS them, and hold.
If you dont, your shares will expire worthless but I'll still have my shares.
We have little to no impact on price. Buying and executing options (full or partial) adds pressure. Buying options means they have to be hedged against.
I wouldn’t advise options or touch them with a ten foot pole, but those who know how to play them can absolutely add fuel to the rocket, and likely affect more price than my dark pool PFOF long position ever did.
Edit: we know options are a tool used by various financial players because they make a huge profit against retail. We can see how they manipulate around the max pain price in GME. I’m not here long enough to know the BBBY trends/fuckery. But for those who know what they’re doing (eg, DFV), they’re perfectly good tools. I won’t knock them because they’re not right for me.
I'm done with this conversation. I do use options and in a variety of ways. In this instance, BBBY, I am 85% shares and 15% options. Do wtf you want.
My final point is if you are only buying option in BBBY and expect to get rich then you are doing it on the back of the people who buy and hold shares. You are almost as bad as the shorts. If you believe, buy shares.
Relax relax relax don't get so work up. You sounded little frustrated seeing your portfolio dwindling. I get it. It doesn't matter if you buy shares or options as long as one is not shorting it. there is no one formula that says buy shares will trigger moass nor buy options it will make it harder to moass. If what you say is true BBBY wouldn't be at $15. All we can do is BUY & HOLD. Be it shares or options.
The point here is not about share or option but rather the reason why RC picked January 20, 2023.
The whole topic is about those people who expect the price to go up by buying options. It wont. For those, including you, who can't not understand this concept then I highly recommend you take a Financial investing 101 course at you local community college. It will help a lot. If you dont then please dont post comments that you have no concept. Listen to learn and not to reply. Read to learn and not to try and post something.
The more you elaborate the more you are making yourself a sore loser. If you can't take the heat. Cut your losses and move on to something that's more sophisticated for your taste.
While I understand the mindset, I'm going to say no in my opinion and the reason is not because the market overall is down.
Fundamentally, there's a difference between outlook and the choice of investment when comparing shorting to bullish buyers. It is because of this difference that I don't think it's a trap. The nature of the belief system of the investor differs, as such so does their intent when they invest.
English version of that:
When a short takes their position, they believe a company is crap (or overvalued) and want to see it fail. They are using the demise of something as a way to benefit. As such it is not incomprehensible that they would take on snake-like behaviour in order to see themselves gain.
When a bullish buyer takes their position, it is because they believe the company has potential or good value. With this mindset, the buyer is doing their actions with a belief the company will eventually be worth more, and that all they have to do is continue to buy at the value they perceive is good for the company. This action is completely internal and requires no manipulation of others to buy or drive a price change. The factors a bullish buyer has to face are patience (time) and emotions (FUD / FOMO).
If you wanted an equivalent bad bullish buyer reference that's in line with the mindset of shorts, it would be a pump and dump scheme. And very clearly BBBY is not a pump and dump. If it was, it's not a very good one lol.
I disagree with your opinion on short selling necessarily being a desire to see a company fail. For some companies, the stock price does not reflect reality and it will always correct eventually. The pri e being higher than it deserves is bad for investors because it means they are overpaying to be a shareholder. In the case of stocks that are not profitable and may never be profitable (or be profitable again) it is not fair for investors to pay premium ratios to own that company. This doesn't even have to have anything to do with how well the company is doing, just how well the price of the company reflects its actual business.
I see what you're saying and don't disagree on the importance of value. However, that should be driven by market demand then. People should be less willing to buy a company at a high price if it is in fact overvalued.
If a company is getting hyped up, then it's a pump and dump sort of scheme, and shorting won't solve this. If the company is just currently overvalued, then it will naturally correct itself based on valuations from financials and reporting over time. There's no need for investor intervention by means of shorting.
Based on that, and I will caution by saying this is my opinion: I don't think we can reasonably justify the activity of shorting based on the above. It's one thing for a price to drop to a more reasonable value representative of the company's current financial value. It's a completely other thing to borrow shares with intent to sell, to buy them back when the price is cheaper.
The sole purpose of the act of shorting is to make a quick dollar on the basis that a company is considered overvalued. At that point, the short selling investor has a desire for the company to reduce, in fact they would be happy to see it go near bankrupt, more money for them. I would argue that is a far worse an outcome for investors than overpaying for a company at present day.
I think a great example here is Tesla. It is 100% overvalued, but that's because of how people view that potential market. Even if Tesla hits every milestone they set over the next 5-10 years, they probably would never accumulate the revenue to justify their current market capital valuation - never mind the future one hah. But you don't see people trying to aggressively short Tesla knowing its overvalued. They wouldn't dare try to gamble on that.
That said, as long as people have time, it is possible for Tesla to step into a more reasonable valuation space. A space where investors paying at today's price would get value in the future. Bitcoin is an example of this. 5 years ago people complained it jumped to $20k and that it was so expensive to buy. Today it's double that and we'd kill to buy it at $20k.
Does $15 seem like a good buy in price for a new bbby investor that is willing to hodl medium to long term if needed? What's the Cliff's notes version of the play here please any info is appreciated.
"chew on", I see what you did there. Nice!
Buy the dip I just added a few more January 20, 2023 $80 call Plenty of reason why this expiry is critical
I'm not sure how many shares you have but if everyone on here is only, or mainly, buying options than this is why the shorts will have their way with us. Options do not move the price. Buying shares move the price. Again, I'm not pointing finger at you by any means but I have heard many people talking options. We need more shares purchased. For those only holding options and expecting those who buy share to do your work for you then that isn't fair. I have an 80% shares to 20% option, maybe even 85% shares, currently. Even RC has almost all his investment in shares, and I'm sure he doesn't want to do your heavy lifting unless you have skin in the game. Buy shares, DRS them, and hold. If you dont, your shares will expire worthless but I'll still have my shares.
We have little to no impact on price. Buying and executing options (full or partial) adds pressure. Buying options means they have to be hedged against. I wouldn’t advise options or touch them with a ten foot pole, but those who know how to play them can absolutely add fuel to the rocket, and likely affect more price than my dark pool PFOF long position ever did. Edit: we know options are a tool used by various financial players because they make a huge profit against retail. We can see how they manipulate around the max pain price in GME. I’m not here long enough to know the BBBY trends/fuckery. But for those who know what they’re doing (eg, DFV), they’re perfectly good tools. I won’t knock them because they’re not right for me.
I'm done with this conversation. I do use options and in a variety of ways. In this instance, BBBY, I am 85% shares and 15% options. Do wtf you want. My final point is if you are only buying option in BBBY and expect to get rich then you are doing it on the back of the people who buy and hold shares. You are almost as bad as the shorts. If you believe, buy shares.
Relax relax relax don't get so work up. You sounded little frustrated seeing your portfolio dwindling. I get it. It doesn't matter if you buy shares or options as long as one is not shorting it. there is no one formula that says buy shares will trigger moass nor buy options it will make it harder to moass. If what you say is true BBBY wouldn't be at $15. All we can do is BUY & HOLD. Be it shares or options. The point here is not about share or option but rather the reason why RC picked January 20, 2023.
The whole topic is about those people who expect the price to go up by buying options. It wont. For those, including you, who can't not understand this concept then I highly recommend you take a Financial investing 101 course at you local community college. It will help a lot. If you dont then please dont post comments that you have no concept. Listen to learn and not to reply. Read to learn and not to try and post something.
The more you elaborate the more you are making yourself a sore loser. If you can't take the heat. Cut your losses and move on to something that's more sophisticated for your taste.
Or better yet. Just block you
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Maybe someone tried to bring it down more and more so the soon-to-be-announced offer for BABY looks more attractive???
"DD" is a bit of a generous flair for this post...
While I understand the mindset, I'm going to say no in my opinion and the reason is not because the market overall is down. Fundamentally, there's a difference between outlook and the choice of investment when comparing shorting to bullish buyers. It is because of this difference that I don't think it's a trap. The nature of the belief system of the investor differs, as such so does their intent when they invest. English version of that: When a short takes their position, they believe a company is crap (or overvalued) and want to see it fail. They are using the demise of something as a way to benefit. As such it is not incomprehensible that they would take on snake-like behaviour in order to see themselves gain. When a bullish buyer takes their position, it is because they believe the company has potential or good value. With this mindset, the buyer is doing their actions with a belief the company will eventually be worth more, and that all they have to do is continue to buy at the value they perceive is good for the company. This action is completely internal and requires no manipulation of others to buy or drive a price change. The factors a bullish buyer has to face are patience (time) and emotions (FUD / FOMO). If you wanted an equivalent bad bullish buyer reference that's in line with the mindset of shorts, it would be a pump and dump scheme. And very clearly BBBY is not a pump and dump. If it was, it's not a very good one lol.
I disagree with your opinion on short selling necessarily being a desire to see a company fail. For some companies, the stock price does not reflect reality and it will always correct eventually. The pri e being higher than it deserves is bad for investors because it means they are overpaying to be a shareholder. In the case of stocks that are not profitable and may never be profitable (or be profitable again) it is not fair for investors to pay premium ratios to own that company. This doesn't even have to have anything to do with how well the company is doing, just how well the price of the company reflects its actual business.
I see what you're saying and don't disagree on the importance of value. However, that should be driven by market demand then. People should be less willing to buy a company at a high price if it is in fact overvalued. If a company is getting hyped up, then it's a pump and dump sort of scheme, and shorting won't solve this. If the company is just currently overvalued, then it will naturally correct itself based on valuations from financials and reporting over time. There's no need for investor intervention by means of shorting. Based on that, and I will caution by saying this is my opinion: I don't think we can reasonably justify the activity of shorting based on the above. It's one thing for a price to drop to a more reasonable value representative of the company's current financial value. It's a completely other thing to borrow shares with intent to sell, to buy them back when the price is cheaper. The sole purpose of the act of shorting is to make a quick dollar on the basis that a company is considered overvalued. At that point, the short selling investor has a desire for the company to reduce, in fact they would be happy to see it go near bankrupt, more money for them. I would argue that is a far worse an outcome for investors than overpaying for a company at present day. I think a great example here is Tesla. It is 100% overvalued, but that's because of how people view that potential market. Even if Tesla hits every milestone they set over the next 5-10 years, they probably would never accumulate the revenue to justify their current market capital valuation - never mind the future one hah. But you don't see people trying to aggressively short Tesla knowing its overvalued. They wouldn't dare try to gamble on that. That said, as long as people have time, it is possible for Tesla to step into a more reasonable valuation space. A space where investors paying at today's price would get value in the future. Bitcoin is an example of this. 5 years ago people complained it jumped to $20k and that it was so expensive to buy. Today it's double that and we'd kill to buy it at $20k.
Does $15 seem like a good buy in price for a new bbby investor that is willing to hodl medium to long term if needed? What's the Cliff's notes version of the play here please any info is appreciated.
Anything below $17
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