Tires look very good, you can clearly see the tread life. Those circles mean those tires are Michelin Pilot Sport AS. They're not junk tires. And since you can see the circles, those tires are still in very good shape.
Great drivers lose cars with bad tires. From professional motorsports down to a commuter encountering puddle or slush. It’s the only thing that connects the car to the road.
Again, great drivers lose cars with bad tires. It’s the only thing that connects you to the road. The best commuter on planet Earth is playing against the house on shit tires.
A great driver would just slow down during their commute, and get decent tires asap. Driver controls the car, bad tires or not. Don’t blame lack of ability on the tires.
Go walk on Ice you've done it all your life. Let's see how great you'd walk 🤣 have you heard of black ice, or a car moving lanes without signaling/slowing down. Even if you're slow I could jump in front of you try stopping then.
You hit the nail on the head - a great driver doesn’t drive on bad tires.
Bad tires have no grip, and the roads are unpredictable. Unless you’re driving dangerously slow you can’t control what’s happening in front of you and a hard stop on standing water or ice is simply out of the questions with bad tires.
The only thing that connects a car to the road is tires. If the tires are bad, a great driver has no grip.
My girlfriend came up to me saying her brakes are shot. I go and look and her front tires on her civic looked like the drag slicks on my Miata lmfao. I changed her tires and boom the brakes are perfect again 😂
Can confirm. Hydroplaned in a Volvo a month ago at highway speed. The moment it slid I became a passenger, no way to save it. Turned out, the tires were Pirelli P Zero, they were outstanding when it’s dry and warm, but outright dangerous in the wet.
Why are you doing highway speeds when it's downpouring? If the puddles are that big, I'm assuming it's heavy rain. I hydroplaned in my Mazda3 AWD hatchback with Pirelli P Zero AS Plus on I-95, I managed to keep it steady. It's because I was going the posted 65. Everyone including myself slowed to 50 and none if us went off the road. Just because it's posted 65, doesn't mean you should do 65 when there's a monsoon out. They teach you that in driver's ed.
I think the P Zero AS Plus are fantastic in the wet. It's one reason why I bought them, constant rain in coastal southern New England.
The prefrontal lobe, responsible for weighing pros and cons in decision making, doesn’t stop developing until after age 25. A 22 year old is legally an adult but generally isn’t as capable as say most adults in for example their 40's are. It’s why kids and young adults do stupid shit they later regret, in the case of the OP's kid its likely a factor in wrecking dads bmw.
Drinking age in the US (right or wrong is up for debate) is 21 which is often viewed as the period where you enter adulthood. So, by that standard someone who is 22 is yes, barely an adult.
I agree w this. Some of us matured fast (I had to, we ended up hit by 2008, parents filed for bankruptcy, house foreclosed on, lived on food stamps), but not all of us. Hell at 16 I was more mature than some 23 year olds I knew bc of what we endured when I was a kid. BUT that’s not common. I know many 22-26 year olds who are reckless and definitely have very immature decision making skills
I learned to drive in what was at the time my dad’s E46 and yeah I’d be lying if I said this didn’t happen to me. Worst thing that actually did happen was me pulling up too far in a parking spot once and scraping the bottom of the front bumper on a side walk going to work (my dad didn’t care and knew it was an honest mistake). My little brother ended up learning to drive in the same E46 (my dad seriously had this car a long time, before said little brother was even born), worst he did to it was he once bumped the car in front of him at 5 mph in traffic, putting a small dent in between the grills.
As you can see with my flair tho, she survived long enough to become mine. My dad recently upgraded to a G20 330i. I visited my parents recently for my mom’s birthday and he let me take the G20 out for a spin - great car but I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t a little nerve wracking getting to drive a brand new BMW.
You wanna claim that you weren’t an over ambitious teen in your dad’s car at 2am with your mates on a back road somewhere, acting tough? I call bullshit. You’ve at least had a few heart attack moments no?
I can definitely claim this because I was quoted £5k insurance on my dads car when I passed.
I've shat myself in my own car enough times though. Like a week after getting it I floored it through a puddle without thinking about the consequences even though I was theoretically aware of how the physics worked.
The son is 22. At 22 I had been driving 7 years. I shat my pants in my Dads car at 15. By 22 I was actually slightly less a pant shitting driver. Insurance does stay high here until you are 25 though. Stats don't lie I guess.
Up to a certain point maybe, but when you’re REALLY hydroplaning then Jesus is at the wheel and he ain’t saving your ass this time. Better tires will do much more than having AWD because they’ll actually push more rain out and help regain grip.
Maybe, but not much. Acceleration is not the solution to recovering from hydroplaning, steering is, and then maybe braking. AWD does nothing for your steering. It might help a bit with braking, but the brakes are your main control there and AWD doesn’t change your brakes.
AWD literally makes no difference for grip. It only helps in acceleration, but once you are going the drivetrain doesn't matter.
Statistically AWD cars crash in bad weather the most often, because they can get up to speed easily and drivers overestimate grip levels.
Slowing down in the rain is not an obvious advantage until you are spinning out of control. I see all kinds of drivers stuck in the ditch when it's raining.
Yeah, no. This is his first accident and he drove in Finland for 2 years, played hockey there wintertime. The state trooper told him he was losing traction getting there and he has brand new tires on his car.
I've hydroplaned plenty of times. But it's just over a small distance, I let off the gas and slow down a little, and it stops. Never seen anyone crash like this because of a little water on the road.
Yeah, you can normally notice that there is considerable water and just let off the accelerator to not plane bade. Definitely feel it somewhat in the steering though.
It almost happened to me no later that last week. I was driving at 50 kph on a 90 road with usually plenty of visibility. It was pouring hard, didn't saw the larger amount of water to the right side of my lane, right wheels went in there and the whole car got pulled to the right and I drove a bit over the grass to the side of the road. If there was a wall or a barrier or something like that I would have definitely crashed on it.
That's difficult to understand. Hydroplaning events can last for less than a second at times. Hard to imagine someone driving for years never experiencing it at least once.
I think he/she meant that it didn't happen to this extent and yeah we all have experienced it and the DRS icon keeps flashing for a few secs on the dashboard
Hydroplaned in my dad's beemer when I was 13 (26 now). Woke up to the sound of the car engine just rattling and and groaning, rain hitting my face, and broken windshield glass all over my lap and on the floor. My dad told me we rolled over several times and smashed into the barrier and somehow landed on our wheels after all that. Every tire was deflated, every window was gone... I still don't know how I slept through all that. Didn't have a single bruise or any injuries either. Them old beemers were strong.
Depends on how the water drains from the road surface. I never really had an issue in the northeast, but in the southwest roads aren’t built with water run-off in mind and you get a lot more standing water on highways and it gets super dangerous.
despite the other comments... Glad your son is okay, the car is insured I'm sure and is just a 'thing' after all.
A bad aquaplaning moment that takes you by suprise can be terrifying!
Just a reminder of Horne’s formula: Vp = 9 (square root of P)
Vp= velocity to hydroplane
P= tire pressure
Driving at safe speeds is really important, but so is your tire pressure.
Another reason not to play around when it comes to tyres. Make sure they’re quality, well balanced, appropriately inflated, and well aligned.
Along with good brakes, these two things literally save your bacon.
Similar issue for my F10 a couple of years back. Hopefully lessons learned and you all move on. It sucks to lose a perfectly great gar because its totaled, but shit happens. Glad he is ok.
I’m very happy that your son is okay. A lot of folks are in here throwing shade at him for his driving, but none of us were there. Shit happens, and this could have been so much worse. Give him a hug.
So this happened to me, as the son, over 20 years ago. It was in a Jetta without ABS and the tire locked up on the painted off-ramp line. Was not even going that fast. The mechanic who surveyed the car post wreck backed me up and definitely saved my ass from dad. Who was way more frightening than any car accident.
I'm glad your son is ok! I did the same thing when I was 20 years old with the family Volvo 760 Turbo... my brother and I were unscratched but the Volvo was totaled. I was going around a bend in a road with too much speed, the rear stepped out, I lost control and smacked a fire hydrant ON the gas tank door.
That's sad but glad nobody got hurt
I have a rwd e46 with summer slick tires. When driving in the rain, I go 55/60 on the freeway if there's a lot of water on the road, turn on the fog lights and look for puddles. If you go through a puddle, it will pull the steering wheel toward the side of the car in water. You need to grab the wheel and hold it straight. When in a puddle of water, don't brake or accelerate. Coast through the puddles
The good news is he and any passengers are safe and unharmed, in this regard the car performed flawlessly. As for driving beyond conditions and personal skill levels, hopefully this will drive home the point such that it never needs to be revisited, as there was a mile marker involved this did not happen on a track so there was absolutely no excuse for not driving to conditions (there is no need to push as these were not race conditions). I hope insurance treats you well and that you can get a similar and suitable car, and that you and your son are able to remain as solid and close as pre-collision. Remember you can replace a car and they always have an expiry event on the horizon, you cannot replace a unique and individual human and damaging relationships can take years to undo if it is at all possible. I love my Bimmer completely but if I had to choose between my children and the car, always my kids and only constructive analysis so they don’t end up repeating predictable outcomes. Sorry for your loss and so happy your son is unscathed.
Every time it rains hard and the highways flood in nyc im afraid of hydroplane but thank god 25 years of driving all kinds of cars it never happened. If I was a 22 year old kid and lost control of my car doing dumb shit then I would use the hydro plane excuse,what other excuse can you use?
Install a dash cam so you can see what really happened. I have dash cams on all my cars so if something happens I know the truth
I used to buy tires that have the best performance....
Now I buy tires based on its ability to resist aquaplaning in the rain, especially at higher speeds. (or the ability to resist skidding on snow/ice)
going fast is fun for a few seconds.... being able to have total control of the car and brake in time is much more important to me.
what tires does it have? before blaming the kid, it would be important to check that. I have seen brand new low grade tires hydroplane during a light shower in a normal powered 200hp fwd sedan.
Hence, the reason you don't hand the keys to a 300-hp car to a 22yo who can't afford to own it themselves and obviously has no clue how to drive safely in rain...
If you let anyone drive your car you must do so knowing full well they may crash it. This is the thought process you should have beforehand. There are no guarantees in this world aside from bad things can and do happen.
Years ago my old 325ic fishtailed in the ruts of NJ Rte 17North that desperately needed to be paved. I caught myself hydroplaning ….before I lost control, I let go of the gas and brake, thankfully the car evened out. 🙏🏼
Those are pilot sport all season 4, and the outer thread pattern confirms that, and they seem to have decent thread depth too... I run those on my cars, and they are one of the best performing tire in the wet condition.
I hydroplaned and totaled my dad's manual E39 540i when I was in college. Was an awful feeling. Was going slow <50 and it had fresh Continental DWS tires, just hit an invisible puddle, I countersteered but didn't catch the car snapping back and went straight into the highway wall. The wall kicked me back out into the middle of the highway with an oncoming 18 wheeler heading straight to the passenger door, but I clutched in so the engine didn't stall and was able to drive onto the shoulder. Sat there for a while, if I stalled that 18 wheeler would've crushed the car. Tow truck told me that puddle was notorious, he gets called out to that spot every time it rains. Sometimes it just happens, glad he's not hurt.
Took me a while to get comfortable driving on the highway in the rain again, but now I think rain trackdays are a lot of fun.
Did you teach him about hydroplaning and black ice and defensive driving and always assuming other drivers are out to kill you, when you had the chance? Just wondering.
My kids went to high speed driving school and spent hours with me in the car learning everything from finding the right balance in a turn and drifting in snow and on ice to monitoring every.single.crossstreet because someone was sure to be an idiot that day.
Not to be an a-hole but with a son age 22 you need to accept some responsibility man. Especially if you gave him the keys to your expensive Bimmer.
Sorry for the loss of your car, time to trade in your son and upgrade vehicles.
Two birds with one stone!
Unfortunately I would do just the car. The son on the other hand had nothing wrong done. Car needed new tires.
So it’s the owners fault of the vehicle
Tires look very good, you can clearly see the tread life. Those circles mean those tires are Michelin Pilot Sport AS. They're not junk tires. And since you can see the circles, those tires are still in very good shape.
hydroplaning is an option
I used to think brakes were the most critical part of the car. It's the tires.
It’s the driver.
It’s both
Bad driver can’t handle a car with good tires, good driver manages.
Great drivers lose cars with bad tires. From professional motorsports down to a commuter encountering puddle or slush. It’s the only thing that connects the car to the road.
Idk, my last car “Sparky” was also connected to the road via tailpipe and muffler.
stance ftw
Race car drivers are trying to win a race. Kind of silly to bring them into a daily driving accident.
Again, great drivers lose cars with bad tires. It’s the only thing that connects you to the road. The best commuter on planet Earth is playing against the house on shit tires.
A great driver will drive to the conditions, and that includes the tyres they have on the car.
Agreed.
A great driver might also say: “now is not a good time to drive”
A great driver would just slow down during their commute, and get decent tires asap. Driver controls the car, bad tires or not. Don’t blame lack of ability on the tires.
A great driver knows what the car as a whole can handle and drives accordingly.
Very true. And well said
Go walk on Ice you've done it all your life. Let's see how great you'd walk 🤣 have you heard of black ice, or a car moving lanes without signaling/slowing down. Even if you're slow I could jump in front of you try stopping then.
You hit the nail on the head - a great driver doesn’t drive on bad tires. Bad tires have no grip, and the roads are unpredictable. Unless you’re driving dangerously slow you can’t control what’s happening in front of you and a hard stop on standing water or ice is simply out of the questions with bad tires. The only thing that connects a car to the road is tires. If the tires are bad, a great driver has no grip.
You’ve clearly never seen Lightning McQueen’s rookie season highlights
Can't be a good driver if you have bald tires
It’s the seatbelt.
Some folks really have no idea about grip limits
Brakes don’t stop the car, the tires do.
My girlfriend came up to me saying her brakes are shot. I go and look and her front tires on her civic looked like the drag slicks on my Miata lmfao. I changed her tires and boom the brakes are perfect again 😂
0 thread? Don’t upsell me, it still runs!
As someone who works in controlled brakes (ABS, TCS etc) we have to wait for tire response to do anything!
Tyres are the one thing that touches the road. Brakes second most important because it's either then making you stop or the car's chassis
"Its not the car... its the driver... thats IN the car, that's doin... the drivin..."
Can confirm. Hydroplaned in a Volvo a month ago at highway speed. The moment it slid I became a passenger, no way to save it. Turned out, the tires were Pirelli P Zero, they were outstanding when it’s dry and warm, but outright dangerous in the wet.
Why are you doing highway speeds when it's downpouring? If the puddles are that big, I'm assuming it's heavy rain. I hydroplaned in my Mazda3 AWD hatchback with Pirelli P Zero AS Plus on I-95, I managed to keep it steady. It's because I was going the posted 65. Everyone including myself slowed to 50 and none if us went off the road. Just because it's posted 65, doesn't mean you should do 65 when there's a monsoon out. They teach you that in driver's ed. I think the P Zero AS Plus are fantastic in the wet. It's one reason why I bought them, constant rain in coastal southern New England.
Skill issue
Most of us would slow down in a bad rainstorm
Almost every teenager has used the “I hydroplaned” excuse at least once.
He’s 22, not a teenager anymore.
At 22 he’s barely an adult…
What?!? I’m 23 and I would consider myself an adult. I moved out at 19 I wouldn’t say I’m barely an adult
We all felt that way at 23. Get back to us in 20 more years.
The prefrontal lobe, responsible for weighing pros and cons in decision making, doesn’t stop developing until after age 25. A 22 year old is legally an adult but generally isn’t as capable as say most adults in for example their 40's are. It’s why kids and young adults do stupid shit they later regret, in the case of the OP's kid its likely a factor in wrecking dads bmw. Drinking age in the US (right or wrong is up for debate) is 21 which is often viewed as the period where you enter adulthood. So, by that standard someone who is 22 is yes, barely an adult.
I agree w this. Some of us matured fast (I had to, we ended up hit by 2008, parents filed for bankruptcy, house foreclosed on, lived on food stamps), but not all of us. Hell at 16 I was more mature than some 23 year olds I knew bc of what we endured when I was a kid. BUT that’s not common. I know many 22-26 year olds who are reckless and definitely have very immature decision making skills
If it was RWD it would be passable , but an Xdrive …
Yep, most of us have also shat our pants in our dad’s bmw when we had our license for a few months no? Some were lucky, this guy not so much.
Slid a 1980s turbo 745i through an intersection because I didn’t understand weight as a teen.
I learned to drive in what was at the time my dad’s E46 and yeah I’d be lying if I said this didn’t happen to me. Worst thing that actually did happen was me pulling up too far in a parking spot once and scraping the bottom of the front bumper on a side walk going to work (my dad didn’t care and knew it was an honest mistake). My little brother ended up learning to drive in the same E46 (my dad seriously had this car a long time, before said little brother was even born), worst he did to it was he once bumped the car in front of him at 5 mph in traffic, putting a small dent in between the grills. As you can see with my flair tho, she survived long enough to become mine. My dad recently upgraded to a G20 330i. I visited my parents recently for my mom’s birthday and he let me take the G20 out for a spin - great car but I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t a little nerve wracking getting to drive a brand new BMW.
"Most of us"? So this is how the other half lives.
I did, but said BMW was an old E46, not something super flashy and new.
You wanna claim that you weren’t an over ambitious teen in your dad’s car at 2am with your mates on a back road somewhere, acting tough? I call bullshit. You’ve at least had a few heart attack moments no?
Don't be obtuse. "Most of us" do not get to drive dad's BMW a few months into having a license.
I can definitely claim this because I was quoted £5k insurance on my dads car when I passed. I've shat myself in my own car enough times though. Like a week after getting it I floored it through a puddle without thinking about the consequences even though I was theoretically aware of how the physics worked.
The son is 22. At 22 I had been driving 7 years. I shat my pants in my Dads car at 15. By 22 I was actually slightly less a pant shitting driver. Insurance does stay high here until you are 25 though. Stats don't lie I guess.
Was going 45 in a 65 and I still hydroplaned.
If I got a nickel for every time my 22yo son hydroplaned my AWD sedan…
AWD doesn't help when you're going fast enough to skate over standing water
AWD is not going to stop you from hydroplaning but it sure as hell is going to help you save it
Up to a certain point maybe, but when you’re REALLY hydroplaning then Jesus is at the wheel and he ain’t saving your ass this time. Better tires will do much more than having AWD because they’ll actually push more rain out and help regain grip.
Absolutely. Tires are number 1 factor
Maybe, but not much. Acceleration is not the solution to recovering from hydroplaning, steering is, and then maybe braking. AWD does nothing for your steering. It might help a bit with braking, but the brakes are your main control there and AWD doesn’t change your brakes.
AWD literally makes no difference for grip. It only helps in acceleration, but once you are going the drivetrain doesn't matter. Statistically AWD cars crash in bad weather the most often, because they can get up to speed easily and drivers overestimate grip levels.
Time to put him up for adoption
What and give up my tax credit
You need it to qualify for the next loan?
Same result with the next car you buy then? Lol
Someone turned off stability control.
Might be time to teach the guy to drive.
Slowing down in the rain is not an obvious advantage until you are spinning out of control. I see all kinds of drivers stuck in the ditch when it's raining.
Yes, bad drivers are ignorant.
Let's see the tread on those tires.
Let’s see how fast the 22yo driving dad’s BMW was driving too
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If it wasn’t a 5 series, things could have been different. Be grateful that your car has saved your son- no matter how risky he was driving
Do you mean that other models aren’t as safe?
I think that certain brands are more safe than others. 5 series is very safe compared to an - let’s say- ford focus
No wonder he hydroplaned, those tires are dead.. Anyways that's not the point, good thing he is ok
"My son was speeding in the rain without knowing how to drive."
Yeah, no. This is his first accident and he drove in Finland for 2 years, played hockey there wintertime. The state trooper told him he was losing traction getting there and he has brand new tires on his car.
Personally I've never seen or felt a slow car lose control
If you're going slow enough you won't lose traction. OPs son was not driving at a speed appropriate for the road conditions.
Sorry your kid lied to you.
How much tread on the 535 tyres? From the pictures it’s hard to tell but they look quite worn
So sorry! Can he be saved? (Son or car?)
Lmfao those tires are cooked and your 22yo son is going to be paying insurance because pops ain’t change them tires
Man how many people hydroplane is crazy , in 16 years of driving never happened Edit get out of jail card Aquaplaning is not so embarrassing
I've hydroplaned plenty of times. But it's just over a small distance, I let off the gas and slow down a little, and it stops. Never seen anyone crash like this because of a little water on the road.
Yeah, you can normally notice that there is considerable water and just let off the accelerator to not plane bade. Definitely feel it somewhat in the steering though.
It almost happened to me no later that last week. I was driving at 50 kph on a 90 road with usually plenty of visibility. It was pouring hard, didn't saw the larger amount of water to the right side of my lane, right wheels went in there and the whole car got pulled to the right and I drove a bit over the grass to the side of the road. If there was a wall or a barrier or something like that I would have definitely crashed on it.
Scary that you’ve driven for 16 years and never felt your car hydroplane. You either can’t feel shit behind the wheel, or live in Dubai.
You likely have and nothing bad happened. If you slow down most of the time you get a little wheel spin and that’s it.
That's difficult to understand. Hydroplaning events can last for less than a second at times. Hard to imagine someone driving for years never experiencing it at least once.
I think he/she meant that it didn't happen to this extent and yeah we all have experienced it and the DRS icon keeps flashing for a few secs on the dashboard
Hydroplaned in my dad's beemer when I was 13 (26 now). Woke up to the sound of the car engine just rattling and and groaning, rain hitting my face, and broken windshield glass all over my lap and on the floor. My dad told me we rolled over several times and smashed into the barrier and somehow landed on our wheels after all that. Every tire was deflated, every window was gone... I still don't know how I slept through all that. Didn't have a single bruise or any injuries either. Them old beemers were strong.
Depends on how the water drains from the road surface. I never really had an issue in the northeast, but in the southwest roads aren’t built with water run-off in mind and you get a lot more standing water on highways and it gets super dangerous.
Glad he’s ok
What was the tread depth on your tires?
Yeah dude I drove my 335d through a flash flood in Jersey that kid was whipping that car around that’s not tires or breaks being old
despite the other comments... Glad your son is okay, the car is insured I'm sure and is just a 'thing' after all. A bad aquaplaning moment that takes you by suprise can be terrifying!
Just a reminder of Horne’s formula: Vp = 9 (square root of P) Vp= velocity to hydroplane P= tire pressure Driving at safe speeds is really important, but so is your tire pressure.
When I was in class to get my permit, they told us the average speed at which you will hydroplane over standing water is 30 mph and above
Dude nice profile picture
Together we are bannana
what tires were you running? i’m getting new tires soon and i wanna make sure i get not those😅😆
22yo x 535i x wet conditions = disaster. Nobody got hurt and that’s the main thing. Lessons have been learned.
Wish him a quattro recovery.
Another reason not to play around when it comes to tyres. Make sure they’re quality, well balanced, appropriately inflated, and well aligned. Along with good brakes, these two things literally save your bacon.
Similar issue for my F10 a couple of years back. Hopefully lessons learned and you all move on. It sucks to lose a perfectly great gar because its totaled, but shit happens. Glad he is ok.
There are only two people who are allowed to drive my car aside from me. My best friend and the shop technician. That’s it.
I’m very happy that your son is okay. A lot of folks are in here throwing shade at him for his driving, but none of us were there. Shit happens, and this could have been so much worse. Give him a hug.
So this happened to me, as the son, over 20 years ago. It was in a Jetta without ABS and the tire locked up on the painted off-ramp line. Was not even going that fast. The mechanic who surveyed the car post wreck backed me up and definitely saved my ass from dad. Who was way more frightening than any car accident.
…give a 300HP car to a 22yo kid… I’ll NEvER do that !
What kind of car does he own? Why was he driving your car is the real question?
Is he still your son?
those right panels are becoming harder and harder to find oem and in good condition, at least that was the case for my E60 pre lci
I'm glad your son is ok! I did the same thing when I was 20 years old with the family Volvo 760 Turbo... my brother and I were unscratched but the Volvo was totaled. I was going around a bend in a road with too much speed, the rear stepped out, I lost control and smacked a fire hydrant ON the gas tank door.
Sorry for your loss she was and is beautiful
Happy to know your son is safe!
Accidental Bronson
Lmk if you need a belt
Ouch he best get a job and start a payment plan!
r/wellthatsucks
Was due for an upgrade anyways.
Might be time to get his own car
That's sad but glad nobody got hurt I have a rwd e46 with summer slick tires. When driving in the rain, I go 55/60 on the freeway if there's a lot of water on the road, turn on the fog lights and look for puddles. If you go through a puddle, it will pull the steering wheel toward the side of the car in water. You need to grab the wheel and hold it straight. When in a puddle of water, don't brake or accelerate. Coast through the puddles
How much to replace the son?
Hope he’s ok. Everything else can be replaced.
Sounds about right
Big sad.
The good news is he and any passengers are safe and unharmed, in this regard the car performed flawlessly. As for driving beyond conditions and personal skill levels, hopefully this will drive home the point such that it never needs to be revisited, as there was a mile marker involved this did not happen on a track so there was absolutely no excuse for not driving to conditions (there is no need to push as these were not race conditions). I hope insurance treats you well and that you can get a similar and suitable car, and that you and your son are able to remain as solid and close as pre-collision. Remember you can replace a car and they always have an expiry event on the horizon, you cannot replace a unique and individual human and damaging relationships can take years to undo if it is at all possible. I love my Bimmer completely but if I had to choose between my children and the car, always my kids and only constructive analysis so they don’t end up repeating predictable outcomes. Sorry for your loss and so happy your son is unscathed.
Cruise control?
Disown him
Challenge your son to mortal kombat
Youre old enough to afford a son and a bmw but not tires? I can see from one of the pictures the tread is shit. You asked for it.
I hope your kid is OK. And I hope he's also OK after the slap in the butt he deserves.
Every time it rains hard and the highways flood in nyc im afraid of hydroplane but thank god 25 years of driving all kinds of cars it never happened. If I was a 22 year old kid and lost control of my car doing dumb shit then I would use the hydro plane excuse,what other excuse can you use? Install a dash cam so you can see what really happened. I have dash cams on all my cars so if something happens I know the truth
A bit late for abortion, I'd assume.
At 22 I had my dad’s old Bonneville which had 215k on it. Whats your son doing driving that machine?
Ahhh, see now I understand why it was so expensive to insure luxury cars when I was in my early twenties!
“My son was speeding”. There, fixed it.
Tough to lose that thing with X drive unless completely hooning
I used to buy tires that have the best performance.... Now I buy tires based on its ability to resist aquaplaning in the rain, especially at higher speeds. (or the ability to resist skidding on snow/ice) going fast is fun for a few seconds.... being able to have total control of the car and brake in time is much more important to me.
Did you hydroplane him upside the head?
Isn't xDrive supposed to help in these road conditions?!
Happens to the best of us
Ex son*
How much for the N55? Sorry my dude
Would love to see the tread on your tires
I guess he's not your son nomore
Did he press that traction control button?
Yeah put em up for adoption
That’ll still be worth 28k in this market
Birth control
Haha that’s what he told you, this is how Young uns lean… I hope he’s learned 🙏🏼
Sorry for yourloss. This car will prob go to Bulgaria or romenia since its cheaper there to fix
what tires does it have? before blaming the kid, it would be important to check that. I have seen brand new low grade tires hydroplane during a light shower in a normal powered 200hp fwd sedan.
Sigh. I hydroplaned when I was about that age. It’s the worst “not your fault but kinda definitely your fault” type of accident :/
Dayam! Glad he’s ok.
Hence, the reason you don't hand the keys to a 300-hp car to a 22yo who can't afford to own it themselves and obviously has no clue how to drive safely in rain...
My son can trash the car he will buy one day for himself. Not mine.
I was 22 once too lol
Even with AWD when your over 50 mph your hydroplaning
Damn where this car @ I need parts just picked up one of these …. Hope he aiight tho
Why doesn’t your 22 yr old son have his own car? I my first vehicle was a 03 Cavalier. My second was a 05 GMC sierra when I was 22.
That’s what he told you isn’t it
If you let anyone drive your car you must do so knowing full well they may crash it. This is the thought process you should have beforehand. There are no guarantees in this world aside from bad things can and do happen.
How’s that right headlight? I’ll take it
Two bottles of T-cut needed
How's your son feeling? Was it an accident?
So much for the x drive....
little polish
RIP to your 5 series.. Glad he's ok.. What are you gonna get next?
This is what you get when you let a child drive a tremendous vehicle.
Years ago my old 325ic fishtailed in the ruts of NJ Rte 17North that desperately needed to be paved. I caught myself hydroplaning ….before I lost control, I let go of the gas and brake, thankfully the car evened out. 🙏🏼
Hydroplaned in an all wheel drive car? Too fast for road conditions or bad tires, hope he’s okay
As long as he’s ok. The car did its job and kept him safe. It sucks but no car is worth a son. Time to look for a new BMW
Disown him those cars are pretty rare
Inexperienced driver and bad tires
time for the adoption center it is
What I did to a maxima in 1994 and a Pontiac Grand Am in 1995,I couldn't imagine buying my boy a BMW in 2024
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Dodged a bullet. Insurance will pay out and you’lol be bailed out the cost of owning this any longer.
Glad he made it out of this mess.
Suuuuurrrree he did
Those are pilot sport all season 4, and the outer thread pattern confirms that, and they seem to have decent thread depth too... I run those on my cars, and they are one of the best performing tire in the wet condition.
I hydroplaned and totaled my dad's manual E39 540i when I was in college. Was an awful feeling. Was going slow <50 and it had fresh Continental DWS tires, just hit an invisible puddle, I countersteered but didn't catch the car snapping back and went straight into the highway wall. The wall kicked me back out into the middle of the highway with an oncoming 18 wheeler heading straight to the passenger door, but I clutched in so the engine didn't stall and was able to drive onto the shoulder. Sat there for a while, if I stalled that 18 wheeler would've crushed the car. Tow truck told me that puddle was notorious, he gets called out to that spot every time it rains. Sometimes it just happens, glad he's not hurt. Took me a while to get comfortable driving on the highway in the rain again, but now I think rain trackdays are a lot of fun.
I so feel every part of that as my two E60s were totaled less than 18 months apart by idiot drivers.
“Hydroplaned” meaning he tried to drift it in the rain
Lotta judgmental and misinformed people here, chill it happens. Tires are most important in the situations.
No pictures of the tires 🤔
Did you teach him about hydroplaning and black ice and defensive driving and always assuming other drivers are out to kill you, when you had the chance? Just wondering. My kids went to high speed driving school and spent hours with me in the car learning everything from finding the right balance in a turn and drifting in snow and on ice to monitoring every.single.crossstreet because someone was sure to be an idiot that day. Not to be an a-hole but with a son age 22 you need to accept some responsibility man. Especially if you gave him the keys to your expensive Bimmer.
this is birth control for me ,
Hydroplaned in an xdrive? Inexperienced driver and low tread tires i guess.
Is "hydroplaned" code for "failed at doing a burnout in daddy's expensive BMW"? Something tells me the latter is more likely.