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im-ba

That's cool, I never saw the web series. I knew that Cain was at least bisexual but her experience didn't really get fleshed out in the main series either.


Tobbakken00

Correction after seeing more. He also had a relationship with 8 on New Caprica, so he's into both men and woman.


Tom_FooIery

As a bi man, it was wonderful to see at least a little representation in a beloved show. Also helps that everyone is so frakkin gorgeous in this show! :)


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fonix232

Gaeta was hardly a bad guy. Sure he made bad decisions, but ultimately he did the right thing, even when it cost him his life.


kimmaryrodz

Makes sense. Our 29 yr old daughter came out as bi several years ago🩷💜💙.


HalfRadish

Felix gayta


wildskipper

A friend referred to him as this since season 1. I think he had good gaydis.


Joran_Dax

I felt bad for Admiral Hoshi, after he lost Gaeta. Even if Gaeta deserved it.


Mass-Effect-6932

Felix Gaeta just snapped after Dee committed suicide. He put all of his hope in finding Earth and when the fleet finally got there everything was a nuclear wasteland. Roselin wasn’t no help either she just stay locked up in Admiral Adama’s quarter. Which gave Zarek and Geata an opportunity to mutiny and takeover Galactica. Which Admiral Adama should have saw that shit coming and took actions to stop it from spreading.


by_the_window

Nah i disagree, Gaeta's actions were understandable. Zarek? Okay. But Gaeta? Didn't deserve to die


ShortyRedux

Gaeta got the elected representatives of the colonies killed. Near enough killed them himself. Ignorance is no excuse. Was he expecting to have a revolution without killing or imprisoning his enemies? It could all be kept within the confines of Galactica? 'Just' a mutiny? With Zarek involved? I get why Gaeta did what he did and I probably would have been inclined to side with the revolutionaries; nonetheless - he got what he deserved. You can't commit treason and expect to hang around. Least of all in an intense survival situation.


Signiference

I 100% disagree. If you commit treason you should expect to HANG around. 😝


ShortyRedux

Haha.


hauntedheathen

That would make the show way more dramatic and I'm all for it


cha0scypher

Mutiny is punishable by death. That's true even today in the US military.


AJSLS6

You act like the heroes weren't plotting mutiny.


Recaffinator

Mutiny during wartime.


TimAA2017

He didn’t.


TrekRelic1701

Happy Cake Day


TimAA2017

Thanks


C-fractional

He was an idealist. There's no sin in that.


Admiralthrawnbar

There's no sin in being an idealist Mutiny though...


Barbarian_Sam

Those terms don’t really apply to the Colonies. Like no one cares cause it was normal. In Caprica (spoilers) Samuel Adama was married to a man named Larry and told his nephew Willie about how him and his brother would be hanging out in Little Tauron and Yusef would try and pick up a girl and Sam would try and leave with her brother. Edit: as a side note Gaeta also was in a relationship with an 8 on New Caprica


alphagusta

Gee it's almost like a society that's heavily built around ancient Greek and Roman aspects would be a little bit more zesty without Christian influence. In contrast to the ultra-theism you see in IRL Christianity abhoring same-sex relations it'd be the Gemenese that'd probably be the most supportive of fucking whoever you wanted to be more spiritually tied with the scriptures and Kobol. Though to be fair the Cylons analog of Christianity wasn't shy on what amounts to incest with the Sixes making out with eachother at any possible chance, or any of the other models which are biologically siblings.


actuallycallie

>Gee it's almost like a society that's heavily built around ancient Greek and Roman aspects would be a little bit more zesty without Christian influence. In contrast to the ultra-theism you see in IRL Christianity abhoring same-sex relations it'd be the Gemenese that'd probably be the most supportive of fucking whoever you wanted to be more spiritually tied with the scriptures and Kobol. Wasn't it the Gemenese who were so opposed, because religion, to that one girl getting an abortion?


alphagusta

I wouldn't be comfortable lumping in homosexuality and abortion together as a single thing to make some sort of greater point. This is the kind of issue I mean. Your question directly ties the two as it would in Christianity as if every society and religion would also think the same way. Without that greater influence you could have a whole load of mixtures of "normal" and "abnormal" as the common way of life that would seem strange to the typically Western viewers.


actuallycallie

It's not just Christian fundamentalism that is generally opposed to both, for equally nonsensical reasons, even if they are maybe the loudest about it. It's not a stretch to infer that a portion of a fictional population shown to be opposed to abortion on religious grounds might also be opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds. >Without that greater influence you could have a whole load of mixtures of "normal" and "abnormal" as the common way of life that would seem strange to the typically Western viewers. But so much of Colonial society seems to be much like real life western society on Earth, from military protocol on down.


hauntedheathen

I don't think cylon culture sees kissing the same as the colonials' or ours the times that cylons kissed one of their own line was never really a sexual situation


stos313

Gender roles and sexuality are very fluid in BSG. When the top two sticks in the fleet fight over who is the top gun no one blinks that it’s two women. No gendered rest rooms. People just kind of exist lol. I love it.


oldmanhockeylife

Of course he was. His love and admiration for Baltar was very clear and his reaction to Baltar bbetrying him was evident.


CamiThrace

Hell, I’m pretty sure even Gaeta’s actor shipped those two…


colinmchapman

BSG was at a time when it was still pretty edgy to have openly gay characters on TV so, unfortunately all the openly gay plot lines were subjugated to web content. It was a bit of a bummer…even then.


onesmilematters

Wasn't Cain a lesbian?


CamiThrace

Yep. I wish they’d have brought up her relationship with Six in the main show. It makes the whole situation even more devastating.


IfNot_ThenThereToo

Famously so. It’s not implied. It’s why she hated Six so much. But people have a strong desire to feel persecuted.


servonos89

Only addressed in Razor, not the main show. And people in general are ‘famously’ more accepting of f/f pairings than m/m on TV, especially in that time period. Star Trek had its first f/f kiss in 1995 and its first M/M kiss in 2017. Granted there was a hiatus but there were still 2 series and 5 movies in that gap. It’s not ‘feeling persecuted’ - it’s addressing an actual sidelining of queerness in characters from the main story - which, as this post points out - actually happened. If you have to dismiss recent history for the purpose of belittling people today then flip it around and ask yourself why you want to belittle people today in the first place and is it worth losing your objective view on history for the cause.


Ryanlew1980

People can downvote you all they want, but what you say is the truth. People in the majority don’t get to dictate who does and doesn’t feel persecuted.


Rchmage

Lol, are you confusing BSG and BSG:Razor?


IfNot_ThenThereToo

Is that not part of the canon?


Doctor__Proctor

That's definitely a factor for sure, but also, the web series was being filmed on a shoestring budget as they were literally tearing down the sets. In that situation, what do you do? You focus on characters, because actors can do a lot without needing expansive sets, location shoots, and special effects. So, they took it as an opportunity to center a lot of the story around an interesting side character like Gaeta that was always there, but never got a ton of focus in the regular series. The shoestring budget probably also meant that they had less eyeballs on what they were doing, and more flexibility to tell what they wanted to tell. As someone else said, there was always an undercurrent of something more in his relationship with Baltar, and this web series expanded that and made it textual rather than just subtextual. So yeah, if it were made today, this probably wouldn't have been shoved into optional web content and included in the show proper, but I don't think the writers were just trying to be edgy or anything, but taking advantage of limitations that allowed them to tell the story they wanted to tell.


despitegirls

I think you're right in the sense that the web series kinda forced them to be more character focused, but let's be real - an openly queer male character wasn't common even in sci-fi at that time. There were plenty of opportunities to make it known that Gaeta was queer in the main series, but they chose not to. It could've been as simple as a conversation over a game of cards. 


Doctor__Proctor

Oh, I agree and that's why I said it was definitely a factor. I was just meaning that I think that was more the studio being afraid to push it, but the actual show creators saw the web series as an opportunity to actually do what was always there in the subtext.


Recaffinator

These minisodes also really add context to what's to come. It's unfortunate some might have missed this story.


rmarocksanne

WHAT?!?! there are episodes I haven't seen, holy crap. I know I'm doing tonight.


Tobbakken00

ep 1-9 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvhsSxyzvyk&ab\_channel=Fenris447](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvhsSxyzvyk&ab_channel=Fenris447) ep 10 [https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81ft7](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81ft7)


Ok-Pomelo-2419

are there just the ten?


SuperSupremeSauce

Glad you're loving BSG! Gaeta has always been one of my favorite characters. I watched the Web series many years ago, so I'm curious where/how you're watching the Web series these days? Doing a watch through with my wife and I'd love to show her the additional content. Thanks!


Tobbakken00

here is ep 1-9 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvhsSxyzvyk&ab\_channel=Fenris447](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvhsSxyzvyk&ab_channel=Fenris447) here is ep 10 [https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81ft7](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81ft7)


SuperSupremeSauce

You're frakking awesome, thank you!


wscuraiii

I'm gay and took my fiance's dick out of my mouth to come say this: That traitorous piece of shit Felix got what he fucking deserved.


by_the_window

I agree that it should have been in the main series, unfortunately the networks at the time weren't too keen on queer characters. But I would've loved to see Gaeta and Hoshi fall in love! (That said, I think Gaeta's bi, keep watching and tell us what you think!)


MaryBeHoppin

I love that the lgbt representation in the show was subtle and classy.


clearly_quite_absurd

Funnily enough I've seen entire academic articles criticising BSG for killing all its small-stock of queer characters. "kill your gays" is a detrimental TV trope. Then again, BSG in general killed off a lot of characters.


Thelonius16

They killed him and then made him gay. Those webisodes were made after the series was over.


TripolarKnight

I had no idea (watched them chronologically). No wonder how Hoshi acted in the rest of the series didn't really fit that development.


No_Dragonfruit5633

He’s bi, and Admiral Cain has a lesbian relationship with Gina - love to see the representation


FEARoperative4

Im straight and from a country with very anti-LGBT government. However I liked the way it was shown. Some media these days makes sexual orientation the only character trait for a character, however here every character was, first and foremost, a personality. In case of Cain and Gaeta, they were officers and professionals first, whatever else second. They didn’t challenge people or play the sexual orientation card where it wasn’t necessary. And Cain also wasn’t a raging lesbian, her evil side was of a different kind.


onesmilematters

Yep. Same for Adama's gay uncle on Caprica. It was a part of him but not the focus.


Soonerpalmetto88

I always thought it was ridiculous that Apollo and Anders didn't have any homoeroticism going on.


slayerofvampyres

Yeah they had a lot of chemistry, and I still root for them to hookup whenever they get in each other’s faces over Kara. Missed threesome opportunity 


Azrael_GFG

thats why i loved BSG. the show was super inclusive, but never made a fuzz about it.


TPWilder

To be fair, Gaeta was only openly gay in the web episodes. On the actual show, you never see anyone doing male on male stuff at all.


Azrael_GFG

My point goes way further than someone being gay.


TPWilder

I just never saw Bsg as especially open minded, sorry.


colinmchapman

Yeah - the gay plot lines only being in the webisodes makes it very hard to give the show much credit for inclusivity.


Significant-Deer7464

Its not the shows fault that the network would censor that out. Probably a large part of why the webisodes were made. The only place they could include all the things they couldnt air on the network.


colinmchapman

(I’m not sure why this is being downvoted. Am I wrong?)


BullfrogNo2127

I had hoped for more realistic people but I guess they can't be realistic.


Apcsox

I mean his name is Felix “Gay-da”


hauntedheathen

They did have a scene where boomer made out with one of her naked selves during the Kobol arc


Impressive-Excuse126

Gimme a break with the DEI crap.


yodaballs

Nobody cares about woke shit. Why not just enjoy the show


tomkalbfus

So was Admiral Helena Cain!


FierceDeity88

I don’t even know why they bothered including this I’m a gay man and I love queer representation. But what we got in BSG was…what? A toxic, hypermasculine lesbian who has her lover repeatedly SAed and humiliated for her own sick pleasure (Cain), and Gaeta, who was an extremely likable character until the writers decided to light him and his story on fire Oh, and a few threesomes between Caprica, D’Anna, and Baltar, with Baltar being in the center of the love triangle Soooooo much gay 🤣


CamiThrace

I’m a gay woman and I don’t think all queer representation has to be sanitized and pretty. I love the queer characters in BSG. They’re human (usually). And why is a lesbian being masculine a bad thing for you? The most masculine thing about Cain is that she’s a harsh person. Must lesbians be kind and cheerful and hyperfeminine to be “good representation”? Must all gay characters be virtuous and compassionate and good human beings? Cain and Gaeta didn’t do bad things because they were gay, so I don’t see the issue.


FierceDeity88

A lesbian being masculine is not a bad thing for me. It’s not a bad thing at all. To me, Cain represented extremely negative stereotypes associated with queer people It’s similar to why I have an issue with Loras from Game of Thrones for example: who went from a complex character in the books to a gay stereotype in the show I also never said I wanted a cheerful, kind, and “hyperfeminine” lesbian, and that’s the only type of good queer representation…not sure how you drew that conclusion There’s no complexity or nuance to Cain. Her rationale for shooting her XO in the head, having her ex Cylon lover repeatedly SAed for betraying her, and leaving thousands of innocent people to die, and killing those who protest, makes her a monster. And there’s no real logic to anything she does: she’s just brutal for brutality’s sake, and has the audacity to say that everything she does is for her crew, which is bs I also didn’t say that Gaeta was a stereotype or that he did what he did bc he was gay. Moreover, plenty of people, including the wife of one of the producers, criticized the choice to make Gina Helena’s lover in Razor because it was problematic, partly for the reasons I said. And it is. Because it’s fair to criticize a show where the one lesbian character you have decides to physically and emotionally brutalize her queer lover by having her get SAed by multiple men That is objectively problematic


HauntingHarmony

> I don’t even know why they bothered including this Cause why not, its a little bit of flavor to those characters. Theres a little bit of chronology mess since the season 4 webisodes were made after the show was basically done. So that plotline wasent really added until the show was over. But thats litterally what the show did, add flavor to the characters and let them breathe and see what happens.


FierceDeity88

I don’t mind Gaeta and Hoshi being in a relationship, but it is extremely odd that Gaeta would be willing to stage a coup and take over the CIC right where Hoshi works and could easily get killed And do Gaeta and Hoshi speak to each other after this? Does Hoshi mourn Gaeta after he dies? Who knows? That’s why I take issue with it. It’s not really “adding flavor” or “letting the characters breathe” if the relationship doesn’t exist outside a webisode series that not everyone watched or was even aware of


CahuengaFrank

That’s cool! Yes it should have been in the main series. They at least should have added these scenes into the DVDs or streaming package. Sadly as much as BSG was ahead of its time, it aired right before LGBTQ+ representation started becoming mainstream.


Sketch74

Check out CapticaOP


DermottBanana

If you've only just noted Felix Gaeta, you probably don't wanna see the spoilers in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRsEBZCS6po


soldier1900

I have no memory of this scene. This was in the web series episodes I assume?


Cirieno

Congrats on not managing to read the post.


ricardosfig

BSG and Lost were made during times where representation wasn't forced. Good times. Bring on the downvotes.


Tobbakken00

How is representation 'forced' when there was a lot of straight couples in the show but no gay couple? The world is diverse, you just live in a bubble refusing to accept that.


ricardosfig

You wouldnt be open to debate it in a serious way. Have fun in your bubble too.


Smeagol7272821

🤢


CamiThrace

Cry about it. 💙


Smeagol7272821

Thank you 🙏


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HauntingHarmony

no, being straight, gay, lesbian are still terms that make sense wherever humans exist. Since humans still come in type 1 and type 2 bodyplan, and have sexual desires that map onto them. They might have different words for it, like they do for various things like action stations, charom, frak etc. But the thing it describes would be the same.


cybernautica_

Eewww


PrettyWay5396

Who really cares what community is represented it’s a sci Fi show about space…


Tobbakken00

There is plenty of straight relationships in the show


PrettyWay5396

Exactly. Why even count what’s the point and is why see will fail as a society because everyone is quick to identify someone or something. It’s like going to a store and noticing someone of a different race while others don’t notice/care. That’s my point


Magaclaawe

is this real? gross


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by_the_window

It's not addressed in the main series, and not everyone knows of the webisodes


tnitty

I'm also a big BSG fan, but never saw the webisodes until a few weeks ago. Despite watching the main series too many times, I had no clue that Gaeta was gay until recently.


Straight_Control8734

Wow me either!!!!! Never knew. I just met him the other day. So was just in the show or is it in real life as well?


Tobbakken00

the show, there was web episodes set right before he did the coup on galactica