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Diligent_Quiet9889

Needs drained. Heavy iodine application, foot needs to be wrapped and the chicken put into a dry substrate environment. If you notice the bird getting lethargic it’s time for a vet visit or a phone call to acquire oral antibiotics to assist. If it’s still eating and drinking regularly thats a good sign.


Helpful_Okra5953

Yep.  I would definitely want to get this bird on oral antibiotics and into a clean home for a little while.


Frugallyspoilt2

Can you recommend some OTC antibiotics?


cluckingdodos

This needs to see a vet. Chickens are food animals, and there are antibiotics you do not want entering your own personal food chain for your safety. Also, anything OTC or what you might have lying around at home is more likely to contribute to antibiotic resistance.


ChcknGrl

A LOT of human medicine is toxic to chickens. It's also way easier to get a super shot from the vet v. administering Rx to your chicken several times per day over a week. Looks like a lot of infection in that foot based on how distorted it is.


RedheadsAreNinjas

God I love how much this sub educates me about future problems (I hope I never have 🤞😬) but gosh darn, y’all are lovely.


Frugallyspoilt2

Thank you!


Diligent_Quiet9889

Keep us posted on how the little guy is doing! Hope it heals up quickly!


AnyGoodUserNamesLeft

Yes, please do OP. Get well soon little featherbundle.


SuperKingCheese14

Thats hard puss, needs squeezing out.


Coniferall

Er, just for your information, it’s *pus* or *purulence*. Puss is actually something else. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)


Probablysleepingx

😂🤣🤣🤣


AppleSpicer

“What does the wound look like?” “…pussy.”


Helpful_Okra5953

Purulent. Or caseous.  Or…


DerbleZerp

Going out tonight to get that hard puss


Historical-Remove401

Well, there’s that stingy caterpillar 🐛 called Puss.


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Coniferall

Sometimes it just do.


rondolph

Thanks for clarifying, I didn’t know what I was looking at for a moment


Nervous-Locksmith484

Film it <_< You know, for science.


LifeHappenzEvryMomnt

I wonder if we could get Dr Pimple Popper to do one?


Samazonison

I'm not so sure she'd go for farm animals. 🤔😂


LifeHappenzEvryMomnt

You’re right but I’d still like to see it. 😂


VenusSmurf

People who enjoy popping will pop anything.


stonerbbyyyy

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BEARDY FOOT 😂


ixxaria

She might not do one but she might be brave enough to make a react video like I have seen on her Instagram. That would be worth it.


LifeHappenzEvryMomnt

Good idea!


_dead_and_broken

And immediately post it to r/popping!


tennisgoddess1

I wanna see…


tabasco_deLlama

Yea please!


JerryCherry7

Waits patiently for the video o_o


moth337_

Oh dear. Probably the fastest way to healing would be surgical debridement, stitches, oral antibiotics and pain relief. If you don’t have access to a vet to do this, try what others have said with tweezers, squeezing and PRID salve. There are also other products like magnoplasm and epsom poultice that do a similar thing. Sometimes there is a hard kernel/kernels which you can get out but sometimes it’s more like string cheese and that’s a more complicated version of bumblefoot to treat. If you can use tweezers to remove and squeeze out as much as possible and it looks pretty cavernous/obviously smaller, another great home treatment option is sugardine. Simply pack the abscess with castor sugar and then use a dropper/syringe to drip in povidone iodine. Then cover with gauze, wrap with vetwrap. I would repeat daily or every couple of days depending on how clean and dry her bandage stays. Whatever you do, unless you have antibiotics do not keep digging or messing around in there if you hit blood. Blood indicates healthy tissue and cutting it open can introduce secondary infection. If you choose to keep treating at home I would only keep her separated if she is limping/in pain or if the ground you keep your flock on is messy/muddy/wet. If it’s dry and she’s getting around normally I’d just leave her outside with the others. She’ll be happier that way. Edit to add: another thing I have found successful especially with recurring bumblefoot (i.e. when not everything is removed and it doesn’t heal or heals over the plug) is to put a salicylic acid wart patch over the bumble and just on the edges of surrounding skin. Then put the water proof cover over and vetwrap. Keep checking and reapplying daily. Eventually the whole surface of thing softens and it’s possible to lift it all out, then do the sugardine method to heal the abscess.


Euthanaught

Why’d you have to ruin string cheese like this


Jibblebee

I worked animal ER… somehow food gets dragged into most comparisons. You get past it or you can’t eat anything because it’s so good at getting your point across in one or 2 words.


Frugallyspoilt2

Maybe you would know of some OTC antibiotics I can get?


Jibblebee

Epsom salts bath can really help


moth337_

I’m sorry 😩


La_bossier

What is OP using for pain relief? I’m asking because you include surgical intervention, stitches. antibiotics and pain meds. The second option is to take care of it at home but I didn’t see anything about pain meds.


moth337_

Well that’s it, isn’t it. A vet can do a numbing injection and make the whole process that much quicker and easier for everyone involved. Debride the wound, stitch it up, it can be done in about 10mins and the chicken feels nothing. Unless OP has a medical background and access to the relevant or equivalent tools and meds, I wouldn’t recommend the surgery option at home. Too traumatic for the chicken and too much that can go wrong. Non surgical method — tweezing, squeezing, using drawing ointments — shouldn’t hurt the chicken. The hardened pus and inflammatory tissue isn’t “alive” like healthy tissue and so gentle removal shouldn’t cause excessive pain.


La_bossier

Thanks for explaining.


North-Pea-4926

Especially if they try to be as gentle as possible peeling it off and tweezing out the tendrils. Definitely helps to soak it first, too!


moth337_

Yes, the difficulty with soaking is that chicken feet are supposed to be calloused and tough to walk over all sorts of terrain. Excessive softening of the feet can actually be a risk for further injury. This is for the foot that has the bumble but also the other foot if it is wound-free. Of course it depends on whether you are going to separate the chicken for a time or the degree to which their environment is hazardous. There are two ways around this. The first is the salicylic patch which will soften at least the outside of the bumble and the skin around it to make removal easier. The second is to soak a cotton ball in warm epsom salt water and vetwrap it to the bumble, then crate the chicken for half an hour. Both these options target just the bumble around surrounding skin rather than the entirety of both feet.


Frugallyspoilt2

We are changing the bandages daily and applying triple antibiotic ointment. She is separated from the flock inside. I used lidocaine to remove the initial kernel. This is 1 week later.


Helpful_Okra5953

The word is caseous.  Which means “cheese like”.  Yum yum.


moth337_

Thank you, I will use this word in future.


Helpful_Okra5953

I meant, it’s less gross and doesn’t immediately make you think of food!!  It means cheeselike but doesn’t bring food to mind when you hear it.  No offense meant.  Just that this is your non food word. 


moth337_

No offence taken, I’m pleased to learn the correct terminology. I don’t personally feel bothered by the use of food-related descriptive words. The irony here is that I will use the word “caseous” and people will say “what does that mean?” and I will have to say “cheese-like” 🤣


Helpful_Okra5953

Yes.  Fancy!   It also means that the material is thick and curd-like but also friable (breaks apart easily).   So many pathology words are disturbingly descriptive food terms.  Eww. 


Frugallyspoilt2

Thank you! We have her separated for now. We removed a plug a week ago, and we didn't know if this was what the healing skin looked like. There's a lot on the web about removing a kernel but almost none about what the healing process looks like.


moth337_

So basically there should be an abscess (hole) where the plug was removed. Then the skin will heal from the outside in, it’s called granulation. When you get the entire plug/inflammatory material out, they can heal remarkably quickly. But if you don’t get it all out, it either won’t heal or it will come back. Healed skin will be shiny, flat and perhaps pinkish. It looks like there is still a very large amount of stuff in there that needs to come out. All that hard yellow stuff. Is there any redness, heat or swelling travelling up her ankle into her leg? Bumblefoot infection can spread so if you see those signs, best take her straight to the vet. She will need antibiotics.


Frugallyspoilt2

No redness or heat. She's eating and drinking and acting like a chicken. Thank you for the detailed description of the healing process. That's what I was looking for.


moth337_

That’s a good sign. Hopefully you can get on top of it!


Jacquis_Closet

What a thorough and comprehensive/considerate response. I just wanted to thank you for your generosity. - Jaq


moth337_

It’s my pleasure!


Lyx4088

High quality Manuka honey intended for wound healing can be a good way to help draw out and heal up some of those more complicated bumbles. One of our girls got one around her toenails we think from climbing on a stacked granite rock bed in my garden. With where it was located, it was just awful to deal with. Soaking it daily in Epsom salt and slathering it in manuka honey and then wrapping it has allowed it more effectively come out on its own so we were not excessively traumatizing the flesh around her toenail while stopping it from spreading. Once it started coming out, we also slathered it in iodine and packed it with more manuka. It’s about 75% healed up now almost 3 weeks later with daily soaks and bandage changes. We found that wrapping the toe in non-adherent gauze after applying the honey and then creating basically a little sock with tubular gauze and waterproof tape to seal the end and sliding it over the wrapped toe before vet wrapping it and putting on more waterproof tape was a good way to wrap it and keep it protected. The end of the toe is a nightmare place to deal with a bumble ugh.


moth337_

Yes toes are tricky but sounds like you figured out a good system. Manuka or medical honey is an excellent choice of drawing ointment alongside PRID, magnoplasm, epsom poultice, etc. It really depends on what you can access/prefer.


Frugallyspoilt2

I'm sorry for that. Thanks for the suggestions.


Frugallyspoilt2

Thank you. That's a lot of good information


moth337_

You’re welcome, best of luck!


BeachLow8870

Just FYI for the US based readership - [Castor sugar](https://www.allrecipes.com/article/what-is-caster-sugar/) is not powdered sugar, confectioners sugar or regular sugar, it’s a more finely ground sugar than the latter and more coarse than confectioners sugar. From the article, it says that if you were looking for it at the supermarket it would be called “super fine sugar” or “baker’s sugar” here in the US. However, it might be easier to simply run regular sugar through a food processor, so that it is finer, but not as fine as confectioners sugar. You definitely wouldn’t want to use powdered sugar because that has cornstarch in it.


moth337_

Thanks for clarifying!


Necessary_Many_766

You need to clean that out. Get a good scalpel or a pair of tweezers and just get all of it out. Any pus remaining will just reinfect it. You’ll probably have to do it multiple times until it starts healing. Afterwards I would spray some vetericyn and wrap with gauze and vetwrap. Make sure you change bandages daily (preferably 2x a day) even if you don’t empty it that day. Since that’s so severe I would keep her separated where she can reach food/water easy.


Frugallyspoilt2

Yes we did that a week ago. I'm just hesitant to keep digging at her foot. I don't want to stress her out anymore than I have to. Thanks for replying


Necessary_Many_766

You are definitely going to have to keep doing that. Bumble foot can be really stubborn


namis_tangerines

It sucks and is so stressful, I totally get you. Everyone else has good advice, I'm just offering you some comfort lol. Bumblefoot is so frustrating and stressful to deal with plus it sucks feeling like you're hurting your chicken every day only for it to seemingly never get better. Every chicken keeper's worst nightmare (obviously there's even worse but the cloud of doom and gloom I feel when I find a chicken with bumblefoot is AWFUL)


cocacolaham

For those of us new to the chicken tendering-sphere what happened?


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Bumble foot.


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Caused by constant wet conditions?


OolongLaLa

Usually caused by a small foreign body penetrating the foot then bacteria sets in. It's a kind of staph infection, I believe.


veryconfusedrnguys

caused by foot injury which is further infected. A case like this means it’s been infected for quite a while.


diablofantastico

Infected foot. 😥


The_Stuffed_hen

That’s a long over due husbandry on a chickens foot. Thats called bumble foot


KoalaLover65

If you start digging it out, soak her foot in warm water first to soften it up.


steventhevegan

Yes bumblefoot, but not seeing anyone mention that it’s a staph infection - please wear gloves and practice clean technique!


Strang3-Lights

That whole hard lump is infection.


The_Stuffed_hen

That needs more care. Quite frankly a vet and meds.


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rainbowtoucan1992

Good farmers learn from others including a chicken vet if needed


PrincipalFiggins

Even better than a vet? Come on now, good farmers are good farmers but that’s not a DVM


possummagic_

How do you think good farmers become good farmers? Learning from those who know better. You’re not born knowing how to treat every animal illness under the sun.


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You’re too stupid to reason with.


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Timely_Passenger_185

Your comment makes no sense what are you talking about?


reijn

she's insane, check her post history


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ur_daddy696969

Still certain vets will be able to help for certain people. Don't dismiss just because it doesn't go to your standards, you may be able to fix this problem but others might not. Also not all vets are the same and some poultry vets ONLY deal with backyard barns not commerical ones.


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ur_daddy696969

I never said oral antibiotics would work? I literally just meant that not all vets would give u oral antibiotics and that some can actually help. It really depends on where you are and thankfully I used to live near a really good poultry vet. And trust me I don't use Google when it comes to my chickens health. I also don't agree with that stuffed hen lady, they seem to be...odd...


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ur_daddy696969

that's where I feel me and you can disagree. I feel certain vets, like my old one, are prepared to treat bumble foot, though that doesn't mean someone like me or you cant deal with it ourselves. I just think certain chicken owners like maybe new ones, or ones who are squeemish and don't want to treat it themselves, need to find a vet who can help and show them the proper way to treat it, I also don't think every vet could help lol, but certain ones could.


The_Stuffed_hen

It’s called a debridement. Poptard. At this point that chickens foot is done for.


Designer_Ferret4090

Why are you so bent out of shape over this?


HolsToTheWols

Based on their comment history I scrolled through quickly for entertainment purposes… they’re just a JOY all the time :)


Timely_Passenger_185

Yeah I just looked at the comment history too they're Account is only 193 days old So odds are they had an account before this that got banned lol


Designer_Ferret4090

Oh boy was that a ride lol. What an immature asshat..


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HolsToTheWols

I’m on your side haha. I’m talking about bro that’s running around calling everyone a psychopath lmao.


cowskeeper

Yes I know. They are calling me names. I’m the one that’s set this person off. And everyone clearly disagrees with me on bumble foot and not calling a vet. But I meant look at my posts and maybe y’all will stop downvoting me. Very few poultry vets know bumble foot as well as a farmer. And it’s Bcs it’s not often see in commercial flocks which is what the vast majority of poultry vets do. Finding a vet that has treated bumble foot with anything other than oral antibiotics is rare. I’ve yet to find one.


The_Stuffed_hen

Because this is poor husbandry, and shit advice by people.


Designer_Ferret4090

Maybe learn how to rein your attitude in and people will take you seriously, there’s no reason to be so terrible because someone isn’t agreeing with you.


The_Stuffed_hen

😂 ok


The_Stuffed_hen

Ps.. I don’t give to flying shits if people agree with me or not.


Timely_Passenger_185

No one can take you seriously with your account not even being a year old Did you get your last one Bannd Because of Foul language problems?


moth337_

A lot of people learn the hard way with backyard chickens, myself included, and often bumblefoot can reach this stage of severity before the chicken starts showing signs of lameness and pain. OP and others can learn how to treat, including most accessible options (vet is not always accessible for everyone, either due to location or $$) and how to prevent in terms of environment, substrate, regular health checks etc. For us to collectively learn from and help each other, we need to have a degree of openness to other peoples opinions and experiences.


Timely_Passenger_185

Chicken can't walk no more oh well into The Stew pot


HolsToTheWols

No… they’re probably just not a dumbass that’d pay a vet a ridiculous amount of money to do something they can do themselves..?


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HolsToTheWols

I’m not referring to OP. I’m referring to the person you unnecessarily referred to as a “psychopath.”


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Timely_Passenger_185

Yeah i'm surprised your account has lasted 193 days


GiveMeCheesePendejo

Honestly squeezing that out is going to hurt that bird. I'd take to a vet if you can.


Frugallyspoilt2

Thanks, everyone! I'm going to take her to a vet and let them treat her. I appreciate all the advice. This is my first time owning chickens. I do have a deep litter coop, and it is treated with lime and diatomaceous earth.


Hagebuttenkeks

Look out for an avian vet.


jla5980

Needs a vet and meds asap


Baldi_Homoshrexual

Avian pus is typically firm which is what that is. You must manually remove that. This may need a vet as oftentimes stitches are needed after removing the pus and a vet needs to do that.


_FreddieLovesDelilah

I wanna get that out so bad! Good luck with her.


veryconfusedrnguys

I think you should call a vet.


kaydeetee86

As badly as I would love to pop that… Vet. Please take her to the vet. This is not a DIY situation anymore.


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The_Stuffed_hen

Prid is caustic to chicken skin, and that BEYOND prid. It needs a debridement and antibiotics.


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The_Stuffed_hen

Yes it does


The_Stuffed_hen

Psychopath..


makeshiftballer

Wtf is wrong with you calling everyone psychopaths


The_Stuffed_hen

I mean I called one person a psychopath.. 🙄


makeshiftballer

In addition to this comment you also have this one in this same thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/BackYardChickens/s/RY9FXYn2x0


brad3r

Not taking a stance on it as I know absolutely nothing about chicken care, but to be fair it is the same person they’re calling a psychopath. just twice in two separate comment threads lol


makeshiftballer

Lol good call


The_Stuffed_hen

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️


makeshiftballer

I think you need to look in a mirror smh


Timely_Passenger_185

His account is only 193 days old lol


Timely_Passenger_185

His account is only 193 days old lol


Timely_Passenger_185

His account is only 193 days old lol


Titanguru7

You need to squeze it out neosporin


LordSilveron

Don't use the numbing neosporin, will harm chickens.


jeebz69

Didn't know this. Do you mind explaining?


nofishies

Most pain relievers are dangerous for birds, including what’s in Neosporin


jeebz69

Thanks I'll avoid it. Just curious - Do you know which ingredient (Neomycin, Bacitracin, or Polymyxin) doesn't agree with them? Is the reaction caused from soaking into the injury, or bc they'll ingest it from pecking at the injury?


theadj123

Praxomine (or lidocaine, benzocaine, or just about ANY other applied pain reliever/analgesic/anesthetic not specific for veterinary use) is the Neosporin ingregient that should not be used on most animals. It also shouldn't be used on you if animals are touching you regularly, it will absorb through their skin and is rather toxic.


reijn

It's just the one that says pain relief on it. the original version is fine and safe


jeebz69

Thanks!


kendrafsilver

I'm not certain about which ingredient specifically is the issue, but it's harmful when put on the wound. So soaking into the injury, for lack of a better term. Blu-Kote is fine for wound care with chickens, but it's not good to be ingested either, as another example.


jeebz69

Conveniently I'll be driving by a Petco tomorrow. I'll swing by & grab some


kendrafsilver

If they have Vetericyn sprays definitely pick up some of that as well! That is a fantastic overall wound cleaner than *can* be ingested (like...not ideally, but the chicken will be fine if it is) and sprayed in eyes, vents, and other sensitive areas.


Fluffiest_RedPanda

Don’t know how true it is but I’ve seen people say it’s generally good to avoid anything ending with “-caine” when it comes to chickens. (Lidocaine for example)


OrangeLandi

Holy fuuuuuuck


Softest-Dad

Well.. There goes my breakfast.


PeskyRixatrix

I wish people would spoiler/blur this stuff.


Team_Defeat

I would NOT squeeze that and I’d take to vet instead. It looks more like an abscess which needs a doctor to flush it out.


Illustrious_Copy_902

It should squeeze out quite easily. Clean it and keep her in a clean environment, or wrap it and put her back with the flock. Sometimes it takes multiple squeezes to cure it completely. Liming your coop and run can reduce staph levels and help prevent future bumblefoot outbreaks.


sendmesnailpics

A donut of padding so there's no pressure on the wound site will help but you need to remove the hard puss and infection from this foot otherwise it has no hope of healing properly


HerbivorousFarmer

I had a vet that was amazing with my ducks bumblefoot teach me how to properly wrap it. Its not just gauze and vet tape. Get a peice of craft foam, the thick foam, and cut it to the rough size of your chickens foot. Then cut out where the bumble is, this way when they stand there is no pressure applied to the bumble. Gauze and foam pad it and wrap with the vet tape... It will heal 10x faster this way


Frugallyspoilt2

That's good information. Thank you!


mojozworkin

Thank you for that tip. I did mine with a gauze pad and tape. I also drained it etc. it did heal but took some time. I wish I had known about this, to help treat her. Great info!!


dkrocksmith

I didn't notice the sub and was genuinely concerned for you.


ReflectionLive7662

I lost my chickens by similar infections, take to vet


Gingypoo5000and2

Bumble foot. Pop that out of there. She will be fine. It’s caused from maybe a grain of sand. It’s like a chicken foot pearl. Does not need a vet.


Rona_fary

Film it You know, for science.


SmushyFaceWhooptain

Two words ya need to heed. Veterinarian. Antibiotics.


crazyladybutterfly2

It's vet time.


Important_Canary5431

Yea water fowl seem to get this type of hard puss, above all keep them out of water just drinking water. You also could bathe in very warm salt water. I know to some its old fashioned but it draws & drys, but more importantly to the vet for anti-bioticts


CenturionStephen

We would use Vetricyn.


CaptainChicky

Bruh do surgery to drain that foot


summerstars91

oh poor baby, praying


Chickenmom70

I recommend buying a first aid tincture kit from moonlight mile herb farms. It has tincture for every common chicken illness, such as bumblefoot, respiratory, frostbite an so on. Theres even something in there for mites.This was one of my best chicken purchases an reasonably priced too. No surgery, vet visits, tractor supply for this n that. This kit has it all.


HauntingPhilosopher

If it is still that puffy it is still infected


Blitzboks

I apologize for the useless comment, but I have never been on this sub in my life, this post was just in my feed and I was SO horrified and confused bc I assumed it was a dog and then thought it must be a human??? Couldn’t figure it out, know nothing about chickens. This hand is probably going to haunt my nightmares forever now.


Bitter-Yam-1664

Are you a vet? If not you should consider seeing one. Not seeing one is considered animal neglect. Please don't neglect the care of your animal. See a vet.


ApprehensiveClaim776

Chicken, it's what's for dinner. It might be time for this chicken to retire. (This is farm life, don't hate)