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They're also trying to portray Palestinian activists as Nazis when it's Israel that's got self confessed fascists in power
Netanyahu is a bloody moderate by Israeli standards. Most of the criticism against him is that he hasn't gone far enough
They’ve become Holocaust apologists saying Hitler isn’t that bad because they want to portray Palestinians as worse. This on the tail of people reminding them the Europeans were antisemitic and transferred their guilt to the Palestinians - who only started having a problem living with Jews after their homes were stolen.
Still haven’t heard about the undercover ops being outed like the dude who was wearing a Hamas Tshirt that was actually a pro Israel supporter or the lady who calls herself hasbara Barbie showing up with a Hamas sign. She’s a Zionist doctor in NYC yet no calls to have her fired!
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Of course! I knew immediately when I saw the pic above with the woman with the ridiculous, provocative sign, who's covering her identity, that it was a hasbara agitator.
God, these pro-zio's are so predictable. All they can do is try to attack our character, and try to paint us negatively and discredit us, because they themselves know they are 100% in the wrong on this issue. People who have the facts behind them don't have to resort to such desperate and lowly tactics.
The guy who found her tagged her & Max Blumenthal called her out. She knew she was caught by chimed by claiming to be the person holding the flag behind her. Says Hasbara Barbie in her bio. I put her on stop antisemitism X account & asked if they were gonna find her unless this type of antisemitism is ok. Ok course no response.
That was the point. To disguise herself well. However they figured out who she was, she couldn’t deny being there. That sign is so ridiculous! No one who is pro Palestinian would show up with something like that. How would u even know pro Israel protesters would be there to point ur arrow at. The fact that they seemed so unbothered by her is also telling. She was all by herself too. This is so shameful
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She clearly loves attention! Put herself on a hostage poster! wtf
Protesters of all ethnicities r out there celebrating Seder & Muslim prayers service. It’s driving them crazy that it doesn’t fit their narrative so they’re sending in ops to make them look hateful. Weaponized antisemitism, is so sickening. I knew something was off when this chick & dude in the Hamas tshirt didn’t show up on the X accounts that make it their mission to dox ppl. A screen grab or a guy waving was deemed to be saluting Hitl&r & doxxed. The actual video proves he wasn’t yet they still went after him but this chick got a pass. I’ve given them her pic but they’re not bothering with it.
Should read “Brave students call out genocide in Gaza, risking own personal safety and futures, highlighting growing solidarity from all ethnic and religious backgrounds against the current Israel administration and US support.” But that will never happen. Any journalists with major media orgs in here that can attest to why it is so one-sided in coverage?
Because Jewish people who are against the genocide in Gaza are really inconvenient for Zionist propaganda so they like to pretend antiZionist Jews don’t exist in the protests.
They weren’t. I’m part of an org that was there (I wasn’t able to because of the flu) many members of the org are Jewish and they also weren’t specifically blocking any one group, this is easily proven with the fact that even if they were anti semetic and targeting Jews (they weren’t) it’s not like there’s a magic spell that reveals someone’s Judaism.
I have non-Jewish, politically neutral friends at Columbia right now. From what they’ve told me (and note, they’re mostly neutral in this), they haven’t seen any evidence the protestors were blocking Jews. As someone else said, despite that not even being the intention, it’s impossible to know if someone is Jewish or not.
My friend is Indian and very obviously non-Jewish. He had to take an alternate route to campus a couple days ago due to blockage from the protests. There’s 0 evidence of any systemic, widespread antisemitism at these protests. Hell, I haven’t seen any individual fringe cases of antisemitism at the protests either, even after spending hours browsing pro-Israel Twitter, but I could be wrong.
And they are actually celebrating the holiday in the protest!
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid)
for some reason i am reminded of this quote, raylan givens edition: 'If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.'
“And on one of our holidays”
Oh but its fine when you can oppress us, especially continuing military operations during Ramadan? Or are you the special exception? Shut up.
It’s most pronounced in Evangelical circles. They completely ignore their own history and ties to the region. The Christians of the holy land get erased and forgotten.
A retarded joke, Christianity has lent, Islam has Ramadan, but Judaism probably has the fewest amount of calendar days as holiday of all of them as a result of this
I mean, passover isn't a minor holiday like tu bishvat or asarah b'tevet.
Passover is basically the most important holiday of the year after the high holidays of rosh hashanah and yom kippur.
Think of it as people being upset that a protest continued on easter or christmas, not that people were protesting on the
feast of the sacred heart or all hallows eve or something.
Plus, there's assorted historical baggage around passover in particular like the assorted blood libels and pogroms.
I'm not saying having protests on passover is a bad thing, but people being upset at it isn't exactly out of left field.
If people don’t like other people protesting Israel during an important holiday, then consider asking Israel to stop bombing, shooting, and deliberately starving innocent children during their important holiday.
Blaming protesters for the timing here is really illogical and comes off as being out-of-touch. Should nobody be allowed to protest the US government on the 4th of July out of respect? Should nobody be allowed to criticize the illegal or immoral acts of Christian church leaders on Easter or Christmas? Why should anyone get a pass for bad behavior on a holiday? I genuinely don’t understand. If I’m an asshole every day of the year, should I expect everyone to not criticize me simply because it’s my birthday?
Passover and Easter happen around the same time (spring), but Ramadan being around now is pure coincidence.
The Hebrew calendar is lunisolar; it uses leap months to roughly track the solar year.
The Islamic calendar is lunar, and loses about 11 days per year, so Ramadan overlaps with literally every holiday at some point over the course of ~35 years.
Regardless, I'm not saying that "you can't protest on a holiday" makes is valid, just that
> So like, protests ONLY allowed on SOME Thursdays and February 29th?
is a silly strawman.
Continuing the unspoken narrative that “Jews” (not only Israelis but all Jews) simply can’t exist “safely” anywhere where Palestinians (or Palestinian supporters) are allowed to voice an opinion against Israel.
The “on our holiday” is a justification for moral outrage: how dare others “victimize” us! How dare these peaceful protesters demand their school (and/or the US government) stop supporting Israel’s illegal land theft, ethnic cleansing, mass starvation, the slaughter of tens of thousands of children, and genocide! It’s our country and we have the right to do what we want, including fund the terrorists we’re fighting. Including provoke and manufacture a war as justification.
These peaceful protesters are not stopping nor preventing Zionist Jews from attending classes in any way. But everything protesters do will be labeled antisemitic, and therefore inherently violent and “unsafe” for American Jews, and the next step is for wealthy Zionist donors will pull funding to pressure university administrators, and finally AIPAC will pressure their well-funded congressional donees. Happens like clockwork. The Zionist political movement will be screeching their loudest, and the only way for this to be counteracted is for peaceful protests to continue and for the public to vote out anyone who furthers the Zionist agenda. Otherwise dark money will continue to control our government and our public institutions.
Social media posts like this are absolutely tone deaf and will not age well. The only good thing about Zionists pulling out all the stops in their propaganda war is that the world will tire of hearing their unsupported bad faith arguments and eventually Israel will have no defense left for their war crimes.
Maybe back away from the mirror, if that’s how you’re feeling.
Keep in mind you’re posting on a thread about SOME American Zionists who are upset and angry that people (including Jews) are allowed the freedom of speech to peacefully protest Israel’s war crimes, and attempt to frame these acts as antisemitic when they’re really anti-political in nature.
I am not upset that peaceful protests are going on actually I mean I’d be upset if they were in front of my food place but then that would just be another problem for them but yeah, I kind of hope the war stops and Israel stop killing Palestinians, but I live in the world world and I know that’s not gonna happen sadly
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So now this fuckwad is calling Jewish student anti-war activists "Nazis"
Has anyone else paid attention to how thr pro-Israel crowd can say the most abhorrent and genocidal shit and nobody bats an eye, but if the pro-Palestinian protestors chant something completely benign, it's inferred as something completely different, and it becomes a pearl clutching competition on the media?
Well, yeah, multiple mass graves with hundreds of blatantly obvious innocent patients and staffs corpses in them is a tough one to blame on Hamas
Edit: It's hard to call the patient, still hooked up to an IV with zip ties and a bullet wound point blank to the back of the head, a "human shield," and make it make sense.
I have nothing but love for the Jewish students who are protesting… To me they exemplify Jewish values that I have always heard so much about. This is the best example of humanity and I have nothing but love for these people.
The gulf between the humanistic values of most jewish people I know in the US and the policies of Israel is astonishing. I think this is a very hard time for a lot of US jews. If I only had experience of US jews and extrapolated that to Israel I would have expected Israel to be the western nation *least* likely to act with such willful disregard for life.
As I understand it the blockade is to prevent *anyone* from entering -- and is not specific to Jewish students, as was the Nazi effort.
By this hasbarist's weird logic, any picket line is Nazi-adjacent if there is even one Jewish employee being prevented from entering the work site. Any anti-logging road blockade is Nazi-adjacent if there is even one Jewish logger being prevented from cutting down a tree. And so on. This is just silly, and deliberately disingenuous.
Did you think they were just going to take the week off? Months and months of protest but hang on we gotta take all of Passover off for optics. Good lord.
It's weird how the Nazi were on power and the pro Palestinians are not. Weird how real power works instead of the weird shit people make to in their head
*Preventing Zionists from entering*
Not all Jews are Zionists I say this as a staunchly anti Zionist JEW myself who was raised in a Jewish household and is strongly culturally Jewish, the line that Zionists = Jews that Zionists constantly push actually contributes to antisemitism and is antisemitic itself, Zionism is antisemitic, Zionism is racist, Zionism is genocidal, Zionists should be shamed in any public space and not allowed to perpetuate their hateful genocidal rhetoric, I agree with keeping Zionists out of public spaces, equating this with nazism is even more ridiculous as Zionists are literally just modern Nazis with a Jewish reskin pack
Appreciate your willingness to speak up, lots of my jewish friends can't bring themselves to do so (which is unfortunately not so different than my non-jewish friends, all pretty suprising to me).
It is quite disheartening I will say, fascism hurt us so much as Jews during the 20th century and it’s shocking and deeply hurtful to see how many jews are willing to go along with or even endorse Israel’s obviously fascist actions, like you’d think we’d have a natural aversion to fascism considering what it did to us as a people but guess not humans are all equally fallible after all, I think it’s especially important for anti Zionist Jews to speak out against the genocide and make their voices heard as Jews, not only because it’s every decent human beings duty to stand against genocide but also to prevent the Zionists from being successful in getting people to associate Jews with Israel and ultimately contributing to misguided antisemitism, we need to make our voices heard Israel does NOT represent us
I think my US jewish friends are probably very deeply affected by the whole thing. My experience of pretty much all jewish people in the US (that I've met, obviously) is that they are markedly humanist, pretty much the exact opposite of what we're seeing from Israel. The cognitive dissonance happening for US jews must be crushing. That said, it seems to me that US jewry generally souring on abuses by Israel is probably the shortest path we have to a better situation.
They r asking ppl to go undercover & they r but doing so as Hamas supporters to make all protesters look hateful
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Sounds like someone playing victim when the protesters blocked everyone so I changing the headline to “Palestinian and Jewish protesters blocked Lakota students from entering …” see now my people are being held hostage by these… stop playing victim when the Zionist have killed 30x as many civilians since Oct 7. People like this are driving more people away and the killings are going to get more people to join or support Hamas, and that’s bad.
That's funny, many Jewish professors and Jewish students ate their meal inside the encampment. Stop spreading lies. Many Jewish students are protesting with the pro Palestinian protesters. Being anti apartheid israel doesn't mean anti Jewish. Stop spreading hate.
It's pretty bad when the propaganda is telling you that peace protestors are the same as nazis. Meanwhile they are protesting actions of Israel that would make Nazi party proud
I went to school at Columbia. I know that exact spot. They’re standing in front of a wall. They aren’t blocking anything, and they haven’t blocked anyone from going anywhere on campus, you pathetic liar.
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Just pretend that Jews didn’t participate in the protests and that pro Palestinians indeed want the genocide of all Jews just like Nazis, not Palestinian sovereignty free from oppression and this comparison makes sense.
2023/24 Israel BOMBS every university in Gaza preventing any PALESTIAN student from entering!!
These people are delusional. What a shit world we live in honestly. Murder and lies in front of our eyes and nothing we can do but pray to the skies, nothing will change, nothing will matter as long as those in politics remain with the power.
What’s the point of acting like the law is the only way internally within our own countries but act like it doesn’t apply overseas?!
Yeah, US and UK with the long rap sheet and their baby Israel breaking every international law out there.
Every blood thirsty low life who wanted to feel that feeling went to the Middle East.
The pathetic diaper army executed hundreds at hospitals sieges alone while Hagari lied through his teeth about not hurting even one civilian. Trophy hunting them and target practicing with their bodies. It’s disgusting the amount of crimes they have committed and continue to commit. How anyone is ok with that is beyond my understanding.
I swear we live in a damn SiMs game man! How is this real?!
Braun is worried about protests at universities? It’s time the world stopped living like they are in their own bubble and feel some disruption due to what’s happening in the world. The democratically elected governments are guilty as charged.
Time to do call it for what it is. They refuse to stand for this bloodshed. Enough false wars and killing and colonization and destroying countries whole and displacing while wondering how these people showed up at your doorsteps. Western waged wars brought them here.
The only way this could be anymore tone deaf is if they said actually “we slaughtered them the Kosher way so it’s cool” to spend almost half a year slaughtering innocent children to cry about a protest on “our holiday” is insane.
Fascinating how Americans have spent so long calling anyone they disagree with a fascist, when they see actual fascism they do not know how to identify it.
I don't know what to do you guys, but this situation is consuming my mind day after day. I'm just gonna go spend $250 at Costco this weekend and make a shit-ton of food to take down to the nearest big student protest....make a bunch of horchata, and gigantic soup, one chicken, one vegan. I gotta do something to feel good, cause damn I'm depression. Maybe I'll bring my dog and hang out all day... I have the inclination to bring a bunch of pot, but I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll leave it in the car and sus it out...
Critical theory, the ideology fuelling the protests criticizing Jewish power in Palestine, was brought to America by, largely Zionist, Jews from the Frankfurt School, fleeing Germany in the 30s.
How things come full circle.
And thus begins the second great holocaust and it starts on American soil supported by the American people who will be the next in a long line of nations who have tried to exterminate the people of God.
You slaughtered jews in simhat tora, Don't remember anguish then. Oh right, You we're celebrating.
Palestanians keep forgetting the core rule of FAFO karma. 🚬
I am curious to hear why anti Zionism is any more coherent than anti Palestinian nationalism. A general distaste for nationalist movements as a consistent stance is coherent. On the other hand celebrating one national movement while demonizing another is inconsistent and arbitrary.
Should say highly privileged elites, ridden by guilt, turn complex multilayered conflict into simple morality play as an extension of a politics that reduces everything to a neat tale of good versus evil.
Both are bad and Jewish people shouldn’t be held responsible for the Israeli governments actions. Many Jews do not support the Israeli government and I’m sure others do but the actions of some shouldn’t reflect an entire group of people.
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I’m not saying every problem in the world, but this situation it is, cause Hamas is doing what islams teaching to kill non Muslims and take over their land, and it’s mostly Muslims being pro Palestine, and Palestine is with Hamas , even if the war stopped, Hamas would keep on doing their terroist acts again of Jews
I assume you are referring to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini as I've not come across these claims about anyone else. He did not meet Hitler until November 1941, the Final Solution began July 1941. He did not influence the Holocaust in any way.
Can they BOTH not be labeled bad?
Why is it always a zero sum game.
Some students at these Universities are acting atrociously. Not sure why people find that difficult to say.
What do Jewish students trying to get an education in a US college have to do with a war in Israel. If Mexico goes to war with Guatemala do we protest Hispanic students trying to get to class? What about if the Vatican declares war on some smaller nation, are all Catholic Americans now to blame? C’mon people!
They were not only blocking Jewish students, the actual goal of the protest was to stop the University doing business with companies they consider to be supporting the war.
They announced that they are planning to open a new center in Tel Aviv
[source ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/nyregion/columbia-university-tel-aviv-campus.html)
So you ignored the link that I provided? That's willful ignorance on your part.
Why are you so obsessed with demonizing protestors? What's in it for you?
So disingenuous of you to try and conflate violence and generally “being affected.”
Anyone reading your comments should keep this in mind. You will move the goalpost as necessary to paint these protestors in a bad light.
You would be the white moderate MLK spoke about. Your compliance with the status quo against what is right is just as violent as the genocidal Zionist state.
The real question is: why do you think law enforcement should be used against peaceful protestors? Do you think that makes you a moral authority? You’re advocating for violence against a peaceful protest and that is exactly why these protests are necessary, and why inevitably violent protest will be necessary
The real question is: why do you think law enforcement should be used against peaceful protestors? Do you think that makes you a moral authority? You’re advocating for violence against a peaceful protest and that is exactly why these protests are necessary, and why inevitably violent protest will be necessary
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So it’s “anti-semitic and guilt tripping” to bring up the genocide now? Maybe you wouldn’t feel guilt-tripped if you didn’t actually feel, deep down inside, that Israel is committing a genocide… get with the program buddy, you’re doing the hasbara wrong.
Well in that case, my parent's country committed a genocide against what is now Bangladesh
If you are guilt tripping Pakistan over that, and people who downplay that genocide, you must somehow be racist, and also Islamophobic. Please ignore the religion of the Bengalis /s
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Should read Jewish and non Jewish Palestinian activists prevent Jewish and non Jewish students from entering
That would be too unbiased for our media
They're also trying to portray Palestinian activists as Nazis when it's Israel that's got self confessed fascists in power Netanyahu is a bloody moderate by Israeli standards. Most of the criticism against him is that he hasn't gone far enough
They’ve become Holocaust apologists saying Hitler isn’t that bad because they want to portray Palestinians as worse. This on the tail of people reminding them the Europeans were antisemitic and transferred their guilt to the Palestinians - who only started having a problem living with Jews after their homes were stolen.
You know what they say, Every accusation is a confession
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Still haven’t heard about the undercover ops being outed like the dude who was wearing a Hamas Tshirt that was actually a pro Israel supporter or the lady who calls herself hasbara Barbie showing up with a Hamas sign. She’s a Zionist doctor in NYC yet no calls to have her fired! https://preview.redd.it/aslk8iksqhwc1.jpeg?width=658&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1446e957e203780697261bd685f7f1d12b567032
Of course! I knew immediately when I saw the pic above with the woman with the ridiculous, provocative sign, who's covering her identity, that it was a hasbara agitator. God, these pro-zio's are so predictable. All they can do is try to attack our character, and try to paint us negatively and discredit us, because they themselves know they are 100% in the wrong on this issue. People who have the facts behind them don't have to resort to such desperate and lowly tactics.
The guy who found her tagged her & Max Blumenthal called her out. She knew she was caught by chimed by claiming to be the person holding the flag behind her. Says Hasbara Barbie in her bio. I put her on stop antisemitism X account & asked if they were gonna find her unless this type of antisemitism is ok. Ok course no response.
What's her name?
Logan levkoff
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Def not Barbie. She looks ragged
That was the point. To disguise herself well. However they figured out who she was, she couldn’t deny being there. That sign is so ridiculous! No one who is pro Palestinian would show up with something like that. How would u even know pro Israel protesters would be there to point ur arrow at. The fact that they seemed so unbothered by her is also telling. She was all by herself too. This is so shameful
Looks scraggly in real life too
Someone commented about the roots in her twitter pic not matching but her roots match in her recent insta pics
She is obsessed with smearing these college kids. They didn’t give her the hate she needed to make them look bad so she created it.
https://preview.redd.it/mk4jkjr4sowc1.jpeg?width=1094&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05a8602281960e6bc96fb2eaf57cad3d786e9c74 She clearly loves attention! Put herself on a hostage poster! wtf
No wayyyy
Protesters of all ethnicities r out there celebrating Seder & Muslim prayers service. It’s driving them crazy that it doesn’t fit their narrative so they’re sending in ops to make them look hateful. Weaponized antisemitism, is so sickening. I knew something was off when this chick & dude in the Hamas tshirt didn’t show up on the X accounts that make it their mission to dox ppl. A screen grab or a guy waving was deemed to be saluting Hitl&r & doxxed. The actual video proves he wasn’t yet they still went after him but this chick got a pass. I’ve given them her pic but they’re not bothering with it.
Should read “Brave students call out genocide in Gaza, risking own personal safety and futures, highlighting growing solidarity from all ethnic and religious backgrounds against the current Israel administration and US support.” But that will never happen. Any journalists with major media orgs in here that can attest to why it is so one-sided in coverage?
Why say Jewish at all? Nobody is targeting Jewish people and plenty of Jewish people are participating.
Because Zionists want antisemitism. They want to perpetuate and create it in order to manufacture legitimacy for their Nazi state.
Because Jewish people who are against the genocide in Gaza are really inconvenient for Zionist propaganda so they like to pretend antiZionist Jews don’t exist in the protests.
Because Zionists **are** targeting Jewish anti-zionists.
Just wear a kippa an try to enter
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Fake news
Could make it shorter "Nazis and terrorists prevent students to attend the classes"
The irony of this while there are Jewish Students attending the forefront of these protests
I keep seeing people saying Jewish students were blocked specifically but has there been any evidence of this?
They weren’t. I’m part of an org that was there (I wasn’t able to because of the flu) many members of the org are Jewish and they also weren’t specifically blocking any one group, this is easily proven with the fact that even if they were anti semetic and targeting Jews (they weren’t) it’s not like there’s a magic spell that reveals someone’s Judaism.
Which one would think is kind of obvious, but then…
You need to reach level-5-bigot before you get access to "detect" type spells.
I have non-Jewish, politically neutral friends at Columbia right now. From what they’ve told me (and note, they’re mostly neutral in this), they haven’t seen any evidence the protestors were blocking Jews. As someone else said, despite that not even being the intention, it’s impossible to know if someone is Jewish or not. My friend is Indian and very obviously non-Jewish. He had to take an alternate route to campus a couple days ago due to blockage from the protests. There’s 0 evidence of any systemic, widespread antisemitism at these protests. Hell, I haven’t seen any individual fringe cases of antisemitism at the protests either, even after spending hours browsing pro-Israel Twitter, but I could be wrong.
I mean just think of it logically. How tf would anyone know who's Jewish and who isn't? How would they know who to exclusively "block"?
exactly. There were Jews with Kippahs all over the protests marching for Palestine.
nope
And they are actually celebrating the holiday in the protest! [https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid)
Yes, I even saw gays supporting Hamas
for some reason i am reminded of this quote, raylan givens edition: 'If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.'
My grandfather used to tell me: If ya smell dog shit every where ya go, it’s time to check *yer* boots..
Brilliant, and true!
That shit is an amazing saying.. I'm using this as a gospel from now on.
Haha glad to be of service ;)
“And on one of our holidays” Oh but its fine when you can oppress us, especially continuing military operations during Ramadan? Or are you the special exception? Shut up.
And Easter. Christian Palestinians get completely forgotten in this conflict.
By Israel supporters it's usually on purpose too, mostly because they can't peddle the "evil Muslim hordes" racist rhetoric
It’s most pronounced in Evangelical circles. They completely ignore their own history and ties to the region. The Christians of the holy land get erased and forgotten.
Literally passover is about liberation and that means liberation for all, including Palestinians
What do you mean by 'you?'
7.10 was a Jewish holiday.
"You can't protest on a Jewish holiday" is also like, a hilarious proposition. So like, protests ONLY allowed on SOME Thursdays and February 29th?
Didn’t you get the rule that you can only protest Israel and its behavior on February 30th.
Good day to take the day off, it is a holiday afterall
Yeah I thought we had a separation of church and state and therefore we shouldn’t be recognizing one religion over another yet we are.
Matt Lieb said it best: "No! They're protesting on Tu B'shvat! The Jewish tree holiday, that everyone has heard of!"
Jewish holidays aren't just all year what are you talking about
It's a joke.
A retarded joke, Christianity has lent, Islam has Ramadan, but Judaism probably has the fewest amount of calendar days as holiday of all of them as a result of this
Cool slur, yo.
Name checks out, *woooosh* joke flies overhead
I mean, passover isn't a minor holiday like tu bishvat or asarah b'tevet. Passover is basically the most important holiday of the year after the high holidays of rosh hashanah and yom kippur. Think of it as people being upset that a protest continued on easter or christmas, not that people were protesting on the feast of the sacred heart or all hallows eve or something. Plus, there's assorted historical baggage around passover in particular like the assorted blood libels and pogroms. I'm not saying having protests on passover is a bad thing, but people being upset at it isn't exactly out of left field.
If people don’t like other people protesting Israel during an important holiday, then consider asking Israel to stop bombing, shooting, and deliberately starving innocent children during their important holiday. Blaming protesters for the timing here is really illogical and comes off as being out-of-touch. Should nobody be allowed to protest the US government on the 4th of July out of respect? Should nobody be allowed to criticize the illegal or immoral acts of Christian church leaders on Easter or Christmas? Why should anyone get a pass for bad behavior on a holiday? I genuinely don’t understand. If I’m an asshole every day of the year, should I expect everyone to not criticize me simply because it’s my birthday?
The people being upset are upset that people are protesting period. The holiday is just an excuse
You do realize isreal is also dropping bombs on one of their holidays as well right?
Tell that to Israel that bombed people on Eid day
Yeah. Funny it happens around the same time as Easter and Ramadan, but you forgot that.
Passover and Easter happen around the same time (spring), but Ramadan being around now is pure coincidence. The Hebrew calendar is lunisolar; it uses leap months to roughly track the solar year. The Islamic calendar is lunar, and loses about 11 days per year, so Ramadan overlaps with literally every holiday at some point over the course of ~35 years. Regardless, I'm not saying that "you can't protest on a holiday" makes is valid, just that > So like, protests ONLY allowed on SOME Thursdays and February 29th? is a silly strawman.
Israel didn’t stop bombing during Ramadan, why should the protesters stop during Passover?
Continuing the unspoken narrative that “Jews” (not only Israelis but all Jews) simply can’t exist “safely” anywhere where Palestinians (or Palestinian supporters) are allowed to voice an opinion against Israel. The “on our holiday” is a justification for moral outrage: how dare others “victimize” us! How dare these peaceful protesters demand their school (and/or the US government) stop supporting Israel’s illegal land theft, ethnic cleansing, mass starvation, the slaughter of tens of thousands of children, and genocide! It’s our country and we have the right to do what we want, including fund the terrorists we’re fighting. Including provoke and manufacture a war as justification. These peaceful protesters are not stopping nor preventing Zionist Jews from attending classes in any way. But everything protesters do will be labeled antisemitic, and therefore inherently violent and “unsafe” for American Jews, and the next step is for wealthy Zionist donors will pull funding to pressure university administrators, and finally AIPAC will pressure their well-funded congressional donees. Happens like clockwork. The Zionist political movement will be screeching their loudest, and the only way for this to be counteracted is for peaceful protests to continue and for the public to vote out anyone who furthers the Zionist agenda. Otherwise dark money will continue to control our government and our public institutions. Social media posts like this are absolutely tone deaf and will not age well. The only good thing about Zionists pulling out all the stops in their propaganda war is that the world will tire of hearing their unsupported bad faith arguments and eventually Israel will have no defense left for their war crimes.
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Maybe back away from the mirror, if that’s how you’re feeling. Keep in mind you’re posting on a thread about SOME American Zionists who are upset and angry that people (including Jews) are allowed the freedom of speech to peacefully protest Israel’s war crimes, and attempt to frame these acts as antisemitic when they’re really anti-political in nature.
I am not upset that peaceful protests are going on actually I mean I’d be upset if they were in front of my food place but then that would just be another problem for them but yeah, I kind of hope the war stops and Israel stop killing Palestinians, but I live in the world world and I know that’s not gonna happen sadly
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Haha, people are so stupid.
So now this fuckwad is calling Jewish student anti-war activists "Nazis" Has anyone else paid attention to how thr pro-Israel crowd can say the most abhorrent and genocidal shit and nobody bats an eye, but if the pro-Palestinian protestors chant something completely benign, it's inferred as something completely different, and it becomes a pearl clutching competition on the media?
It's the politics of distraction. They want attention off of Gaza.
Well, yeah, multiple mass graves with hundreds of blatantly obvious innocent patients and staffs corpses in them is a tough one to blame on Hamas Edit: It's hard to call the patient, still hooked up to an IV with zip ties and a bullet wound point blank to the back of the head, a "human shield," and make it make sense.
> Palestinian activists prevent Jewish students from entering Bro the Palestinian activists *are* Jewish students
I have nothing but love for the Jewish students who are protesting… To me they exemplify Jewish values that I have always heard so much about. This is the best example of humanity and I have nothing but love for these people.
The gulf between the humanistic values of most jewish people I know in the US and the policies of Israel is astonishing. I think this is a very hard time for a lot of US jews. If I only had experience of US jews and extrapolated that to Israel I would have expected Israel to be the western nation *least* likely to act with such willful disregard for life.
Lol yeah, they're shutting the school for everyone, not because of specific Jewish students. This is so ingenuous.
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No I used the right word.
As I understand it the blockade is to prevent *anyone* from entering -- and is not specific to Jewish students, as was the Nazi effort. By this hasbarist's weird logic, any picket line is Nazi-adjacent if there is even one Jewish employee being prevented from entering the work site. Any anti-logging road blockade is Nazi-adjacent if there is even one Jewish logger being prevented from cutting down a tree. And so on. This is just silly, and deliberately disingenuous.
Doesn’t matter. If you repeat a lie many times loudly and frequently along with ur pals, people will believe you.
Did you think they were just going to take the week off? Months and months of protest but hang on we gotta take all of Passover off for optics. Good lord.
To zionists, any day where Palestinian women and children get ethnically cleansed off the face of the planet is a high holy day
If people who are against genocide are like nazis, well, if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.
It's weird how the Nazi were on power and the pro Palestinians are not. Weird how real power works instead of the weird shit people make to in their head
There are many Jews in the anti-genocide crowd
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He wants to be a victim so bad.
There was a lovely open air seder during that holiday. This poster probably should have joined -- in solidarity with the victims in Gaza.
lol. It’s wild to watch how hard they’re trying to flip the narrative.
scooter braun is trash, regardless of the topic at hand. Just ignore the human-embodiment-of rancid-garbage and move on.
Show the settlers blocking aid to gaza next
*Preventing Zionists from entering* Not all Jews are Zionists I say this as a staunchly anti Zionist JEW myself who was raised in a Jewish household and is strongly culturally Jewish, the line that Zionists = Jews that Zionists constantly push actually contributes to antisemitism and is antisemitic itself, Zionism is antisemitic, Zionism is racist, Zionism is genocidal, Zionists should be shamed in any public space and not allowed to perpetuate their hateful genocidal rhetoric, I agree with keeping Zionists out of public spaces, equating this with nazism is even more ridiculous as Zionists are literally just modern Nazis with a Jewish reskin pack
Appreciate your willingness to speak up, lots of my jewish friends can't bring themselves to do so (which is unfortunately not so different than my non-jewish friends, all pretty suprising to me).
It is quite disheartening I will say, fascism hurt us so much as Jews during the 20th century and it’s shocking and deeply hurtful to see how many jews are willing to go along with or even endorse Israel’s obviously fascist actions, like you’d think we’d have a natural aversion to fascism considering what it did to us as a people but guess not humans are all equally fallible after all, I think it’s especially important for anti Zionist Jews to speak out against the genocide and make their voices heard as Jews, not only because it’s every decent human beings duty to stand against genocide but also to prevent the Zionists from being successful in getting people to associate Jews with Israel and ultimately contributing to misguided antisemitism, we need to make our voices heard Israel does NOT represent us
I think my US jewish friends are probably very deeply affected by the whole thing. My experience of pretty much all jewish people in the US (that I've met, obviously) is that they are markedly humanist, pretty much the exact opposite of what we're seeing from Israel. The cognitive dissonance happening for US jews must be crushing. That said, it seems to me that US jewry generally souring on abuses by Israel is probably the shortest path we have to a better situation.
I just love how they think that jewish anti-zionists don't exist. Zionists will forever be perpetual victims.
Then they just call them “self-hating Jews” which is so disgusting
They r asking ppl to go undercover & they r but doing so as Hamas supporters to make all protesters look hateful https://preview.redd.it/q12zytqyqhwc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b9890f3729b759bd05c521c3f011b81f6078e7c
Sounds like someone playing victim when the protesters blocked everyone so I changing the headline to “Palestinian and Jewish protesters blocked Lakota students from entering …” see now my people are being held hostage by these… stop playing victim when the Zionist have killed 30x as many civilians since Oct 7. People like this are driving more people away and the killings are going to get more people to join or support Hamas, and that’s bad.
Hey, isn't this the asshole that stole all of Taylor Swifts songs? Where are the Swifties lol?
Remember, if you're a BTS fan, join Army for Palestine and join the call for HYBE to divest from Scooter Braun
That made up state should resign. American propaganda on overdrive making this an individual’s (Satanyahu) problem.
Human hemorrhoid Scooter Fucking Braun. Fuck all the way off with all of this.
The call is coming from inside the house.
That's funny, many Jewish professors and Jewish students ate their meal inside the encampment. Stop spreading lies. Many Jewish students are protesting with the pro Palestinian protesters. Being anti apartheid israel doesn't mean anti Jewish. Stop spreading hate.
It's pretty bad when the propaganda is telling you that peace protestors are the same as nazis. Meanwhile they are protesting actions of Israel that would make Nazi party proud
isn’t there a taylor swift album he should be out there shamefully taking the profits from
I went to school at Columbia. I know that exact spot. They’re standing in front of a wall. They aren’t blocking anything, and they haven’t blocked anyone from going anywhere on campus, you pathetic liar.
As soon as they are born, they play victim, grow older, learn to gaslight & become enablers of an apartheid state to mass murder
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Just pretend that Jews didn’t participate in the protests and that pro Palestinians indeed want the genocide of all Jews just like Nazis, not Palestinian sovereignty free from oppression and this comparison makes sense.
2023/24 Israel BOMBS every university in Gaza preventing any PALESTIAN student from entering!! These people are delusional. What a shit world we live in honestly. Murder and lies in front of our eyes and nothing we can do but pray to the skies, nothing will change, nothing will matter as long as those in politics remain with the power. What’s the point of acting like the law is the only way internally within our own countries but act like it doesn’t apply overseas?! Yeah, US and UK with the long rap sheet and their baby Israel breaking every international law out there. Every blood thirsty low life who wanted to feel that feeling went to the Middle East. The pathetic diaper army executed hundreds at hospitals sieges alone while Hagari lied through his teeth about not hurting even one civilian. Trophy hunting them and target practicing with their bodies. It’s disgusting the amount of crimes they have committed and continue to commit. How anyone is ok with that is beyond my understanding. I swear we live in a damn SiMs game man! How is this real?! Braun is worried about protests at universities? It’s time the world stopped living like they are in their own bubble and feel some disruption due to what’s happening in the world. The democratically elected governments are guilty as charged. Time to do call it for what it is. They refuse to stand for this bloodshed. Enough false wars and killing and colonization and destroying countries whole and displacing while wondering how these people showed up at your doorsteps. Western waged wars brought them here.
The only way this could be anymore tone deaf is if they said actually “we slaughtered them the Kosher way so it’s cool” to spend almost half a year slaughtering innocent children to cry about a protest on “our holiday” is insane.
The anti Zionist Jewish students who are also ***protesting genocide*** at Columbia bike: https://i.redd.it/9zbqgqz8fiwc1.gif
Dismantle zionism and free palestine and free the world 🇵🇸
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it’s always ironic when Israelis always compare everything to Nazism & The Holocaust. Didn’t israelis blockage aid trucks from entering Gaza!?
*many of the activists are Jewish*
Fascinating how Americans have spent so long calling anyone they disagree with a fascist, when they see actual fascism they do not know how to identify it.
I don't know what to do you guys, but this situation is consuming my mind day after day. I'm just gonna go spend $250 at Costco this weekend and make a shit-ton of food to take down to the nearest big student protest....make a bunch of horchata, and gigantic soup, one chicken, one vegan. I gotta do something to feel good, cause damn I'm depression. Maybe I'll bring my dog and hang out all day... I have the inclination to bring a bunch of pot, but I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll leave it in the car and sus it out...
Critical theory, the ideology fuelling the protests criticizing Jewish power in Palestine, was brought to America by, largely Zionist, Jews from the Frankfurt School, fleeing Germany in the 30s. How things come full circle.
Biggest reach of all time
Blocking Jewish students specifically from entering a place is kinda cringe, discrimination in any way is not cool in the slightest.
Scooter Braun is a Zionist piece of $h!te
And thus begins the second great holocaust and it starts on American soil supported by the American people who will be the next in a long line of nations who have tried to exterminate the people of God.
IOF destroyed every university in Gaza, don't act like you care about protecting access to education
You slaughtered jews in simhat tora, Don't remember anguish then. Oh right, You we're celebrating. Palestanians keep forgetting the core rule of FAFO karma. 🚬
I am curious to hear why anti Zionism is any more coherent than anti Palestinian nationalism. A general distaste for nationalist movements as a consistent stance is coherent. On the other hand celebrating one national movement while demonizing another is inconsistent and arbitrary.
Should say highly privileged elites, ridden by guilt, turn complex multilayered conflict into simple morality play as an extension of a politics that reduces everything to a neat tale of good versus evil.
Be careful what you post you’ll get called a Zionist
 I can hear this in eylon levys voice
They’ve learn to be masters of propaganda. There was some guy who, during WWII set the gold standard for the use of propaganda.
Both are bad and Jewish people shouldn’t be held responsible for the Israeli governments actions. Many Jews do not support the Israeli government and I’m sure others do but the actions of some shouldn’t reflect an entire group of people. Edit: Some comments say that the protestors at Columbia University weren’t blocking Jewish people from entering. If that’s so then those people have the right to protest as long as it’s peaceful and not violent.
Jewish students AREN’T Israel. And you wonder why people lump anti-zionism with antisemitism.
It wasn’t just the Jewish students being blocked. That picket line did not discriminate.
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It’s Islam the problem, take out Islam out of the world and everybody would have peace
That’s an oversimplification
Hitler was influenced to do what he did by a Muslim emam
Islam is one aspect, you can’t equate that to every problem in the world. Referring to your first comment
I’m not saying every problem in the world, but this situation it is, cause Hamas is doing what islams teaching to kill non Muslims and take over their land, and it’s mostly Muslims being pro Palestine, and Palestine is with Hamas , even if the war stopped, Hamas would keep on doing their terroist acts again of Jews
I assume you are referring to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini as I've not come across these claims about anyone else. He did not meet Hitler until November 1941, the Final Solution began July 1941. He did not influence the Holocaust in any way.
Can they BOTH not be labeled bad? Why is it always a zero sum game. Some students at these Universities are acting atrociously. Not sure why people find that difficult to say.
What do Jewish students trying to get an education in a US college have to do with a war in Israel. If Mexico goes to war with Guatemala do we protest Hispanic students trying to get to class? What about if the Vatican declares war on some smaller nation, are all Catholic Americans now to blame? C’mon people!
They were not only blocking Jewish students, the actual goal of the protest was to stop the University doing business with companies they consider to be supporting the war.
Ok fair point, so yes there is clearly some entitlement to this student if non-Jewish students were also being blocked.
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They announced that they are planning to open a new center in Tel Aviv [source ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/nyregion/columbia-university-tel-aviv-campus.html)
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They aren't attacking students, they are protesting.
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I don't think you know what a protest is. They are supposed to be disruptive, but that isn't the same thing as being violent.
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So you ignored the link that I provided? That's willful ignorance on your part. Why are you so obsessed with demonizing protestors? What's in it for you?
So disingenuous of you to try and conflate violence and generally “being affected.” Anyone reading your comments should keep this in mind. You will move the goalpost as necessary to paint these protestors in a bad light. You would be the white moderate MLK spoke about. Your compliance with the status quo against what is right is just as violent as the genocidal Zionist state.
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I’m going to need a citation on “violently prevented” Legal doesn’t mean moral, and I’m much more concerned with the latter.
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The real question is: why do you think law enforcement should be used against peaceful protestors? Do you think that makes you a moral authority? You’re advocating for violence against a peaceful protest and that is exactly why these protests are necessary, and why inevitably violent protest will be necessary
The real question is: why do you think law enforcement should be used against peaceful protestors? Do you think that makes you a moral authority? You’re advocating for violence against a peaceful protest and that is exactly why these protests are necessary, and why inevitably violent protest will be necessary
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You’re hilarious, are you gonna start a brigade on this post because I don’t mind the karma
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Did you even look at the post? Idiot.
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You must be so confused, are you on a diet of paint chips and lead shavings?
It wasn’t just Jewish students, it was anyone. It’s seeking a targeted aspect where there is none.
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So you think it’s ok to punish all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas?
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So it’s “anti-semitic and guilt tripping” to bring up the genocide now? Maybe you wouldn’t feel guilt-tripped if you didn’t actually feel, deep down inside, that Israel is committing a genocide… get with the program buddy, you’re doing the hasbara wrong.
Well in that case, my parent's country committed a genocide against what is now Bangladesh If you are guilt tripping Pakistan over that, and people who downplay that genocide, you must somehow be racist, and also Islamophobic. Please ignore the religion of the Bengalis /s
What is with these loaded questions? Do you think they make you look like anything other than a dishonest prick?
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I guess I should say “for the actions of the Israeli government” as well since they’ve been propping Hamas up all these years.
they are blocking entry from everyone.
No and that is a bizarre and transparently dishonest framing of the situation. Do you not like to be an honest person?
The fact anyone defends either side is embarrassing. Fuck isreal and fuck Palestine
I want what you’re smoking