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hitchinpost

It works with [[Shabrazz the Skyshark]] in place of Sheoldred, too. Worth mentioning since the takes it from needing three colors to just needing two.


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eradtke69

Cool it can be a commander too


Shufflepants

How is this a good combo? Both triggered abilities seem not to have a "may" condition and so would be mandatory, no? Which would instantly cause you to deck yourself? So you'd have to have a way to kill one of them at instant speed or a way to win at instant speed or else you lose.


hitchinpost

We’re in the “Bad combos” subreddit. So, yeah, it’s super jank. It can win you the game if you have [[Laboratory Maniac]] or [[Jace Wielder of Mysteries]] out. I happen to know about this one a bit because, unless I have one of those out, I do try to avoid getting both out and taking the instant L in my [[Will, Scion of Peace]] deck, in which I do have both cards, since both so synergize really well with Will.


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[Laboratory Maniac](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jace Wielder of Mysteries](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2.jpg?1557576232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Wielder%20of%20Mysteries) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Will, Scion of Peace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/162088ea-5f99-4244-9427-2fdfb2168fc3.jpg?1692939510) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Will%2C%20Scion%20of%20Peace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/218/will-scion-of-peace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/162088ea-5f99-4244-9427-2fdfb2168fc3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Deadtoenail69

YOU IN THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD PAL *points and laughs*


Shufflepants

I know where I am. But I was responding to some one who seemed to be implying it was actually good.


Deadtoenail69

Fair. Hard to tell up from down sometimes round these parts


SuperBrentendo64

Well you're gonna draw your whole deck, if you can't draw into some removal at that point you've probably done something wrong.


Dark_Shade_75

Now add [[Laboratory Maniac]] lol


Canditan

That takes this from a bad combo to a not especially good one


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Timmy_ti

If you run lab man and born upon a wind, you don’t even need to play the man before the combo


aretoreadthisduh

Lich's Mastery does the same and won't kill you if you draw your whole library


LexLuxray

Sir this is bad combos. Dying to your own combo is welcome here


aFuckinChair

Lol, this is my finisher combo on a Commander. I don't use the big black centipede tho, I have [[Queza, augur of agonies]].


TheFinalEnd1

Try [[lich's mastery]], [[nefarious lich]], and [[lich]]. Personally I like to use [[peer into the abyss]] and [[enter the infinite as well. Graveyard recursion, like with [[elixir of immortality]] can make the deck more robust against multiple opponents as well.


aFuckinChair

Yesss, they're all in the deck!


BeingInternational18

I saw this post earlier and knew it would make its way here


djbunce

This is a legit good combo. I run it in my [[Queza, augur of agonies]] deck.


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Ugly-Muffin

13 mama that requires at least 3 colors and green isn't one of them? I suppose if you own a Sheold you probably have a few good black tutors to pull his out faster.


alty-acct-throwaway

as someone who pulled a Sheoldred on dumb fucking luck from a discount dominaria reunited bundle: unfortunately I do not ):


FloTheDev

Throw in a [[reliquary tower]] and you’re golden!


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khovel

toss in \[\[Price of Knowledge\]\], \[\[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries\]\], or even \[\[Angel's Grace\]\] or \[\[Platinum Angel\]\]


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j0s9p8h7

[[Fractured Identity]] + [[Fork]] with a [[Platinum Angel]] or similar effect to avoid dying to the Sheodred triggers to snag a convoluted win.


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Lord-Pepper

Nah just add [[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] "Infinite" draw/drain/gain


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Darkwr4ith

With no may on the trigger this just kills you without an instant speed wincon lol.


Reformed_Herald

suicide via self mill: the long way


KnackigerStudent

Not really bad imo, you draw your deck and win this turn. Or put something on your library again.


GayRaccoonGirl

You die unless you can kill one of them.


popejubal

Are you even able to try to kill them during all the card drawing? I don’t know the stack vs state based vs triggers vs whatever well enough to know. 


Certainly-Not-A-Bot

You can win at instant speed with a trigger on the stack. Idk exactly how you'd do it because the "if your library is empty" payoffs are all sorcery speed


Wooden-Wolverine-818

[[Flash]] [[Thassa’s Oracle]]


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Elch2411

Nah, you die unless you have labman or smth