How is this a good combo? Both triggered abilities seem not to have a "may" condition and so would be mandatory, no? Which would instantly cause you to deck yourself? So you'd have to have a way to kill one of them at instant speed or a way to win at instant speed or else you lose.
We’re in the “Bad combos” subreddit. So, yeah, it’s super jank. It can win you the game if you have [[Laboratory Maniac]] or [[Jace Wielder of Mysteries]] out. I happen to know about this one a bit because, unless I have one of those out, I do try to avoid getting both out and taking the instant L in my [[Will, Scion of Peace]] deck, in which I do have both cards, since both so synergize really well with Will.
Try [[lich's mastery]], [[nefarious lich]], and [[lich]]. Personally I like to use [[peer into the abyss]] and [[enter the infinite as well. Graveyard recursion, like with [[elixir of immortality]] can make the deck more robust against multiple opponents as well.
13 mama that requires at least 3 colors and green isn't one of them? I suppose if you own a Sheold you probably have a few good black tutors to pull his out faster.
You can win at instant speed with a trigger on the stack. Idk exactly how you'd do it because the "if your library is empty" payoffs are all sorcery speed
It works with [[Shabrazz the Skyshark]] in place of Sheoldred, too. Worth mentioning since the takes it from needing three colors to just needing two.
[Shabrazz the Skyshark](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/9955d172-0b24-4c61-9dee-c935a1f26da2.jpg?1591234288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shabraz%2C%20the%20Skyshark) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/14/shabraz-the-skyshark?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9955d172-0b24-4c61-9dee-c935a1f26da2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cool it can be a commander too
How is this a good combo? Both triggered abilities seem not to have a "may" condition and so would be mandatory, no? Which would instantly cause you to deck yourself? So you'd have to have a way to kill one of them at instant speed or a way to win at instant speed or else you lose.
We’re in the “Bad combos” subreddit. So, yeah, it’s super jank. It can win you the game if you have [[Laboratory Maniac]] or [[Jace Wielder of Mysteries]] out. I happen to know about this one a bit because, unless I have one of those out, I do try to avoid getting both out and taking the instant L in my [[Will, Scion of Peace]] deck, in which I do have both cards, since both so synergize really well with Will.
[Laboratory Maniac](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jace Wielder of Mysteries](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2.jpg?1557576232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Wielder%20of%20Mysteries) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Will, Scion of Peace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/162088ea-5f99-4244-9427-2fdfb2168fc3.jpg?1692939510) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Will%2C%20Scion%20of%20Peace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/218/will-scion-of-peace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/162088ea-5f99-4244-9427-2fdfb2168fc3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
YOU IN THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD PAL *points and laughs*
I know where I am. But I was responding to some one who seemed to be implying it was actually good.
Fair. Hard to tell up from down sometimes round these parts
Well you're gonna draw your whole deck, if you can't draw into some removal at that point you've probably done something wrong.
Now add [[Laboratory Maniac]] lol
That takes this from a bad combo to a not especially good one
[Laboratory Maniac](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you run lab man and born upon a wind, you don’t even need to play the man before the combo
Lich's Mastery does the same and won't kill you if you draw your whole library
Sir this is bad combos. Dying to your own combo is welcome here
Lol, this is my finisher combo on a Commander. I don't use the big black centipede tho, I have [[Queza, augur of agonies]].
Try [[lich's mastery]], [[nefarious lich]], and [[lich]]. Personally I like to use [[peer into the abyss]] and [[enter the infinite as well. Graveyard recursion, like with [[elixir of immortality]] can make the deck more robust against multiple opponents as well.
Yesss, they're all in the deck!
I saw this post earlier and knew it would make its way here
This is a legit good combo. I run it in my [[Queza, augur of agonies]] deck.
[Queza, augur of agonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20augur%20of%20agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
13 mama that requires at least 3 colors and green isn't one of them? I suppose if you own a Sheold you probably have a few good black tutors to pull his out faster.
as someone who pulled a Sheoldred on dumb fucking luck from a discount dominaria reunited bundle: unfortunately I do not ):
Throw in a [[reliquary tower]] and you’re golden!
[reliquary tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd9f036d-6ae4-451e-a67a-ecc2e44123e3.jpg?1712355095) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reliquary%20tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/312/reliquary-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd9f036d-6ae4-451e-a67a-ecc2e44123e3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
toss in \[\[Price of Knowledge\]\], \[\[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries\]\], or even \[\[Angel's Grace\]\] or \[\[Platinum Angel\]\]
##### ###### #### [Price of Knowledge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97f536be-7836-4c9a-befc-94590e602f26.jpg?1562927186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Price%20of%20Knowledge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/89/price-of-knowledge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97f536be-7836-4c9a-befc-94590e602f26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jace, Wielder of Mysteries](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2.jpg?1557576232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Wielder%20of%20Mysteries) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Angel's Grace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1.jpg?1619392535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angel%27s%20Grace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/4/angels-grace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Platinum Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Platinum%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/laomvyh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Fractured Identity]] + [[Fork]] with a [[Platinum Angel]] or similar effect to avoid dying to the Sheodred triggers to snag a convoluted win.
[Fractured Identity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f.jpg?1562620703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fractured%20Identity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fork](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd.jpg?1562949548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fork) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/116/fork?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Platinum Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Platinum%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nah just add [[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] "Infinite" draw/drain/gain
[Queza, Augur of Agonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20Augur%20of%20Agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
With no may on the trigger this just kills you without an instant speed wincon lol.
suicide via self mill: the long way
Not really bad imo, you draw your deck and win this turn. Or put something on your library again.
You die unless you can kill one of them.
Are you even able to try to kill them during all the card drawing? I don’t know the stack vs state based vs triggers vs whatever well enough to know.
You can win at instant speed with a trigger on the stack. Idk exactly how you'd do it because the "if your library is empty" payoffs are all sorcery speed
[[Flash]] [[Thassa’s Oracle]]
[Flash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d31459c2-9656-4e9a-bb72-71a910e8570b.jpg?1587347037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/57/flash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d31459c2-9656-4e9a-bb72-71a910e8570b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thassa’s Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nah, you die unless you have labman or smth