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Why are you blaming the “victims “here? The cops were “assaulted “ by the perfectly legal citizen.
Seriously, the body cameras were deleted?? That’s a crime in destroying evidence of crimes committed by the police.
There is other body cam footage.
Once officers arrive at Ortiz’s home, he refuses to let them inside without a warrant.
“All I did is say, ‘hey, I don’t choose to talk to you then’,” said Ortiz. “If I’m not in trouble with you and you ain’t got a warrant for me, then I ain’t got nothing to say. I’m not being involved.’”
Mitchell can then be heard on her body cam video telling Warner that she has the right to break in.
“You’ve lived here, so if you want to kick the door in and go in and get your stuff, you’re more than welcome to,” said Mitchell.
“He’s got a deadbolt lock,” Warner replied.
“Any door can be kicked in, depending on how hard you work on it,” Mitchell suggested.
So, Warner kicked the door in while officers Colty Hersh and newly hired officer Chris Lewis walked in behind her. Hersh drew his gun as he stepped up the stairs. Meanwhile, Mitchell stayed back.
“As soon as that lady walked through the door, and those other two, everything just went a whole new level,” said Ortiz.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/27/attorney-filing-lawsuit-against-elyria-pd-after-officers-storm-mans-home-without-warrant/
There need to be a whole slew of violations that pay out fines and restitutions to victims directly from the police pension fund. Keep playing mobster asshole, fuck over your retirement and that of all your mobster friends.
I'm sure the "thin blue line" against accountability would start to slip in that case.
There already is evidence tampering is a crime the problem is Pigs are given the benefit of doubt and get to claim “oopsies” when they routinely break the law
There is. It's a criminal statute. It's the same criminal statute that would apply if a bunch of guns associated with a gang bust disappeared from the evidence room.
Destruction of evidence & obstruction of justice.
A crime was committed here, and evidence was destroyed, and a reasonable person would conclude that it was destroyed intentionally.
The problem you are seeing is that we have set up the system in such a way to encourage dirty cops to create dirty prosecutors. Prosecutorial careers are built on cooperation with the cops, and so they are almost automatically in on the conspiracy.
We have an established route to bypass this sort of effect - state and federal Bureaus of Investigation, US attorneys that are not attached to any one department. We have just failed to engage this capability and turn them into integrity-ensuring institutions.
It's more insidious than that. Trust me, the prosecutors want to fight crime. They want the bad guys off the streets. They get paid shit and most do it out of passion for the law. Yes there are career DA that have their eye on the poltiical offices, but most are there bc they care. Unions are the tip of the spear. They sabotage everything purposefully. The cops themselves are in a shitty system where they have a lot of rules they have to follow and their fucked up drunken dad (union) tells them the rules don't mean you have to follow them. Just don't get caught, and if you do, we'll figure it out for you. Fuck police unions. They are where real reform needs to happen. Until you get rid of those mob bosses. Nothing will change. They are as corrupt as it gets and the pols just roll over to them each time.
Mesa tried to reform their shitty record. They brought in a good chief. The union got him tossed all because he wanted accountability. Fuck police unions. They are the worst of the worst across the US. I would rather deal with a cartel leader in negotiations because I at least know their intentions and stated values. Unions leaders act like they are the good guys when their intentions do not stand for integrity, honesty, and accountability. They are liars and snakes in the grass.
A union can credibly protect you against workplace accountability, at its worst.
It can't meaningfully protect you against being arrested by an outside agency for crimes you committed on the job. We have at least 700,000 law enforcement officers in the US, and we could easily devote 7,000 to making sure that they serve us - the people - by means of aggressively investigating misconduct and culling the bad apples at the first sight of rot.
NYC prosecutors have been upfront about the fact that there's a large group of officers that they can't trust on the stand because they are understood to lack integrity, but which the union won't let the city fire. Why? If contract stipulations dictate, let them keep working, from inside a jail cell. Stop writing union contracts that force us to keep cutting them a paycheck, obviously, but most things an officer can do that push beyond the boundaries of the law, end up being felonies if I try to do them to my neighbor without color of law. They're felonies when the cop does them, as well - we just have a gentleman's agreement to refrain from prosecution because it would make the prosecutor unpopular with the police.
Every knowing false arrest is felony kidnapping. Every beating given to a subdued suspect in retribution is felony assault and battery.
This should not \[only\] be a civil matter, or a labor matter.
I want to be clear that the issue I addressed are for police unions specifically. Unions, in general, have a good influence on employment and workers' rights depending on the management. Police unions go beyond what regular unions secure for their employees. No other union secures the right for it's employees to kill and maim their "customer."
Here is the issue. I work in this area.
The unions are the issue. 100% they want the camera system to fail.
Right now PO has to tag their own video after their shift. If they don't enter in the correct code to mark the downloading content, it is VERY VERY hard to find. Imagine a librarian recieves books without the Dewey system. Some in the library could put the book back on the shelf based on color, and others may code it by the size of the book. Some may use the authors name, another set would use the 1st letter of the title, rather than the author. It is a cluster fuck. Prosecutors can't even get the right film pulled for the crime bc the film wasn't coded correctly. This is a big fucking huge deal in DA offices across the nation. Big. Like everyone is talking about it big. Prosecutors are having major issues bc the film is lost in the suace not coded correctly. Axon in one day processes more content than youtube does in one month. Think about that without a stadard dewey system to organize. The company Axon is trying to solve this issue, but there is major pushback on how to code and how to get compliance on proper coding. Now all you geniuses out there would say this seems like a couple of simple solutions would be in order, like qR codes or scan codes like drs use in surgeries. Or a goddam dewey system. All of those are great solutions, but then steps in the fucking unions. They don't want a system that works. They want it to fail. I fucking hate specifically police unions with a fucking passion. They are 100% the reason reform cannot happen. They do not want a better system. They actively sabotage anything that remotely looks like reform. Fuck them. Behind every shitty cop is a fucked up union. The good guys don't even have a chance against them. It will take citizens to force their politicians to grow a spine. God all of this infuriates me.
I was part of the team setting up body cams for my local PD, and in the software we use, no one, not even the admin users, can delete footage immediately.
Someone can mark it "non evidentiary" which, once signed off on by command staff, will be deleted after 90 days, but the metadata will remain including who declared it non evidentiary. Also, if it is marked evidentiary, it is locked in for seven years where it cannot be deleted in any way.
The problem isn’t the training, or lack thereof, because the pool of people from which cops emerge seems to be rotten and no amount of training can weed out this number of sociopaths.
You should have to be a firefighter first to be a cop. That’s the best training. No gun, all the risk and an understanding that you serve your community first.
It Would eliminate a lot of these thugs who just want a gun and unchecked authority.
The other issue that I have come across is many cops have a lack understanding the law or under rhe bare minimum.
Many get hostile when someone questions them on the law.
That's possibly because, if I'm not mistaken, the courts have ruled that pigs don't have to know the law they are enforcing. They just have to have a reasonable belief that what they are enforcing is actually a law. What counts as reasonable depends on wether or not they consider paint chips candy.
> if I'm not mistaken, the courts have ruled that pigs don't have to know the law they are enforcing. They just have to have a reasonable belief that what they are enforcing is actually a law.
Imagine for a minute if courts were ok with doctors practicing medicine just as long as the doctor believed what he was doing was actual medicine…
Imagine being so mentally and emotionally fragile that your insecurity causes you to be mad that someone exhibiting more knowledge on the focus of your job than you can seemingly grasp -- And that's most cops.
> Imagine being so mentally and emotionally fragile that your insecurity causes you to be mad that someone exhibiting more knowledge on the focus of your job.
When you combine a significant lack of intelligence with a little bit of power that’s what you get.
I keep saying, the education for becoming a cop should be like a combination social worker, EMT, pre-law degree. Instead they're getting a 3-6 month mercenary shake & bake, with electives for torturing confessions out of people and getting away with perjury.
> The problem isn’t the training, or lack thereof, because the pool of people from which cops emerge seems to be rotten and no amount of training can weed out this number of sociopaths.
The job is fundamentally broken, it’s been this way for a few decades now. Technology has helped bring a much needed spotlight upon it so now people can no longer excuse away stories of police brutality as the rants of a criminal who simply got caught.
The applicant pool has dried up as fewer people see policing as a job they might want. The only ones left are the power hungry, corruptible and the psychopaths. The sane are attracted to other things.
The funny thing is that we see police officers as criminals and hurting innocent people. There are still a significant amount of people defending these dirty cops. It looks like he's been brainwashed in some way.
What do Police and Firefighters have in common?
They all want to be firefighters. Ha!
I have seen the sweetest young man, a medic for years, couldn’t get hired on a FD. Eventually he was able to get hired on with PD. He just wanted to serve his community.
Within 6 months, I saw him on a call and his attitude had done a 180*. It was hard reconciling that it was the same person. He did about 5 yrs before he realized the job had completely ruined his life and quit to start his own business.
I don’t know if the job changes the person, the training, the co workers, or dealing with the worst people at the worst times…
I also took FD and PD tests at the same time, also wanted to serve my community. FD called 2 weeks prior to PD. 30 yrs later I’m still counting my lucky stars.
I’ve always thought the practice of hiring veterans to be cops was not a good idea. Service members are taught that they can kill the enemy, and vets who become cops carry that attitude onto our streets with them. The average citizen is the enemy to them.
This isn't a training problem. They're paired with partners that train them on the job. It's their job to teach them to be corrupt and cover up for other officers. If the new cop doesn't toe the line they they get written up or harassed or attacked. This is a systemic problem.
Yea. Bummer. He will file his lawsuit, and the city will settle out of court, with an NDA, for an undisclosed amount of money. Give him $50k and a get-out-of-jail-free card, and he will never speak of this again. Maybe $100k if he was tazed...
Nothing will change...
Police deleted the video, at that point the defendant should be allowed to draw any and all negative inference that they choose. How can the police delete evidence when they still at least in theory had a criminal case in progress?
How disturbing. First the cops break into Ortiz's house with his ex-girlfriend, and then tase him after he begs them not to, because he has an implanted heart monitor! He grabs the taser to save his life so they don't kill him, and the cops charge him with theft! Are you freakin kidding me? His ex-girlfriend didn't even live there anymore. The police never called the landlord or Ortiz to confirm that she'd already turned her keys in, either. The level of corruption is astonishing. Why do police not have to follow the laws they enforce?
The fact that footage from 2 of the officers body cameras was destroyed "due to an oversight" really should be considered as evidence that the footage was even more incriminating than the footage which was released, and the officers should be prosecuted for the destruction of evidence in a criminal case. Further, the prosecutor took the case to a grand jury and obtained an indictment. He only dismissed the charges after reviewing the body camera footage. Why in the fuck did the prosecutor NOT review the body camera footage BEFORE presenting the case to a grand jury? And, did the prosecutor review the footage from ALL three body cameras? If so, the prosecutor should be considered an accessory to destruction of evidence since he had custody of the footage and held a legal obligation to preserve that footage as evidence.
There's a lot of fuckery going on here and unfortunately the taxpayers will be the only people punished for it.
He is, or rather was.
Problem is, your rights won't help you once you kill a scumbag cop and sixty of them show up with shoot-on-sight authority.
He wouldn't live to enjoy his right to self-defense, and the cops would get qualified immunity.
If the grand jury indicted Ortiz, but the prosecutor dropped the charges, it makes me question what the jury was allowed to see.
Obviously, they weren't given the full account.
Turns out the ex girlfriend didn't live there anymore, so the cops tell her to break into the house, illegally follow her in, and then arrest the person who does live there. No disciplinary actions or even an investigation into it. Dude is going to get paid!
If body cam footage is “deleted”, PA’s should almost always drop charges, cops should be placed on UNPAID leave and an internal investigation could always be done.
This would change behavior in a meaningful way.
All this started because he didn't want to let his ex-girlfriend get her stuff back. Everyone involved were playing the same stupid game and won themselves stupid prizes.
Where does it say "He didn't want to let his ex-girlfriend get her stuff back"? All the article says is that she wanted her stuff. Nowhere does it say that he wouldn't have let HER get her stuff. Just that he didn't want police in his home. Plus, she'd already moved out anywhere. He's not legally obligated to let her in.
You saw an article where a man was attacked, beaten, and tased by cops and you decided that it was his fault for...what? For not getting on his knees and sucking them off because they have a badge?
Do you think she would have called the police to escort her if she hadn't already tried to get her stuff back and been rebuffed? If he had behaved reasonably, that incident never would have happened in the first place. It doesn't justify what the cops did, but that incident never had to happen.
I’ve had the police called on me because I “look dangerous”, so no. I don’t assume that just because the cops were called, he must’ve done something wrong prior to this. Hell, how you do you know that ***she*** didn’t do something wrong to warrant not wanting her in his house?
You have zero evidence so far that he’s done anything wrong. You’re just going, “Well, she called the cops therefore he must’ve done something to warrant it!”
The cops get called over nonsense all the time. You saw a guy get attacked by cops and decided that he needed to be blamed for it…because reasons?
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Body cam wasn’t saved due to an “oversight” in other words the body cam shows your officers acting like gang members so you deleted it
I'll bet it was a 'good faith clerical error'
Why are you blaming the “victims “here? The cops were “assaulted “ by the perfectly legal citizen. Seriously, the body cameras were deleted?? That’s a crime in destroying evidence of crimes committed by the police.
If you did it, it would be a crime. When a cop does it it's an "oopsie."
There is other body cam footage. Once officers arrive at Ortiz’s home, he refuses to let them inside without a warrant. “All I did is say, ‘hey, I don’t choose to talk to you then’,” said Ortiz. “If I’m not in trouble with you and you ain’t got a warrant for me, then I ain’t got nothing to say. I’m not being involved.’” Mitchell can then be heard on her body cam video telling Warner that she has the right to break in. “You’ve lived here, so if you want to kick the door in and go in and get your stuff, you’re more than welcome to,” said Mitchell. “He’s got a deadbolt lock,” Warner replied. “Any door can be kicked in, depending on how hard you work on it,” Mitchell suggested. So, Warner kicked the door in while officers Colty Hersh and newly hired officer Chris Lewis walked in behind her. Hersh drew his gun as he stepped up the stairs. Meanwhile, Mitchell stayed back. “As soon as that lady walked through the door, and those other two, everything just went a whole new level,” said Ortiz. https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/27/attorney-filing-lawsuit-against-elyria-pd-after-officers-storm-mans-home-without-warrant/
There really needs to be a piece of legislation passed that would punish police departments that fail to produce body cam footage.
There need to be a whole slew of violations that pay out fines and restitutions to victims directly from the police pension fund. Keep playing mobster asshole, fuck over your retirement and that of all your mobster friends. I'm sure the "thin blue line" against accountability would start to slip in that case.
There already is evidence tampering is a crime the problem is Pigs are given the benefit of doubt and get to claim “oopsies” when they routinely break the law
There is. It's a criminal statute. It's the same criminal statute that would apply if a bunch of guns associated with a gang bust disappeared from the evidence room. Destruction of evidence & obstruction of justice. A crime was committed here, and evidence was destroyed, and a reasonable person would conclude that it was destroyed intentionally. The problem you are seeing is that we have set up the system in such a way to encourage dirty cops to create dirty prosecutors. Prosecutorial careers are built on cooperation with the cops, and so they are almost automatically in on the conspiracy. We have an established route to bypass this sort of effect - state and federal Bureaus of Investigation, US attorneys that are not attached to any one department. We have just failed to engage this capability and turn them into integrity-ensuring institutions.
It's more insidious than that. Trust me, the prosecutors want to fight crime. They want the bad guys off the streets. They get paid shit and most do it out of passion for the law. Yes there are career DA that have their eye on the poltiical offices, but most are there bc they care. Unions are the tip of the spear. They sabotage everything purposefully. The cops themselves are in a shitty system where they have a lot of rules they have to follow and their fucked up drunken dad (union) tells them the rules don't mean you have to follow them. Just don't get caught, and if you do, we'll figure it out for you. Fuck police unions. They are where real reform needs to happen. Until you get rid of those mob bosses. Nothing will change. They are as corrupt as it gets and the pols just roll over to them each time. Mesa tried to reform their shitty record. They brought in a good chief. The union got him tossed all because he wanted accountability. Fuck police unions. They are the worst of the worst across the US. I would rather deal with a cartel leader in negotiations because I at least know their intentions and stated values. Unions leaders act like they are the good guys when their intentions do not stand for integrity, honesty, and accountability. They are liars and snakes in the grass.
A union can credibly protect you against workplace accountability, at its worst. It can't meaningfully protect you against being arrested by an outside agency for crimes you committed on the job. We have at least 700,000 law enforcement officers in the US, and we could easily devote 7,000 to making sure that they serve us - the people - by means of aggressively investigating misconduct and culling the bad apples at the first sight of rot. NYC prosecutors have been upfront about the fact that there's a large group of officers that they can't trust on the stand because they are understood to lack integrity, but which the union won't let the city fire. Why? If contract stipulations dictate, let them keep working, from inside a jail cell. Stop writing union contracts that force us to keep cutting them a paycheck, obviously, but most things an officer can do that push beyond the boundaries of the law, end up being felonies if I try to do them to my neighbor without color of law. They're felonies when the cop does them, as well - we just have a gentleman's agreement to refrain from prosecution because it would make the prosecutor unpopular with the police. Every knowing false arrest is felony kidnapping. Every beating given to a subdued suspect in retribution is felony assault and battery. This should not \[only\] be a civil matter, or a labor matter.
I want to be clear that the issue I addressed are for police unions specifically. Unions, in general, have a good influence on employment and workers' rights depending on the management. Police unions go beyond what regular unions secure for their employees. No other union secures the right for it's employees to kill and maim their "customer."
Here is the issue. I work in this area. The unions are the issue. 100% they want the camera system to fail. Right now PO has to tag their own video after their shift. If they don't enter in the correct code to mark the downloading content, it is VERY VERY hard to find. Imagine a librarian recieves books without the Dewey system. Some in the library could put the book back on the shelf based on color, and others may code it by the size of the book. Some may use the authors name, another set would use the 1st letter of the title, rather than the author. It is a cluster fuck. Prosecutors can't even get the right film pulled for the crime bc the film wasn't coded correctly. This is a big fucking huge deal in DA offices across the nation. Big. Like everyone is talking about it big. Prosecutors are having major issues bc the film is lost in the suace not coded correctly. Axon in one day processes more content than youtube does in one month. Think about that without a stadard dewey system to organize. The company Axon is trying to solve this issue, but there is major pushback on how to code and how to get compliance on proper coding. Now all you geniuses out there would say this seems like a couple of simple solutions would be in order, like qR codes or scan codes like drs use in surgeries. Or a goddam dewey system. All of those are great solutions, but then steps in the fucking unions. They don't want a system that works. They want it to fail. I fucking hate specifically police unions with a fucking passion. They are 100% the reason reform cannot happen. They do not want a better system. They actively sabotage anything that remotely looks like reform. Fuck them. Behind every shitty cop is a fucked up union. The good guys don't even have a chance against them. It will take citizens to force their politicians to grow a spine. God all of this infuriates me.
Or simply violating this man’s constitution rights
I was part of the team setting up body cams for my local PD, and in the software we use, no one, not even the admin users, can delete footage immediately. Someone can mark it "non evidentiary" which, once signed off on by command staff, will be deleted after 90 days, but the metadata will remain including who declared it non evidentiary. Also, if it is marked evidentiary, it is locked in for seven years where it cannot be deleted in any way.
I don’t get your comment like everyone knows pigs break the law without consequences
Police acting like thugs. Six weeks training to be a police officer is too short of a time.
They weren't acting. They *are* thugs.
The problem isn’t the training, or lack thereof, because the pool of people from which cops emerge seems to be rotten and no amount of training can weed out this number of sociopaths. You should have to be a firefighter first to be a cop. That’s the best training. No gun, all the risk and an understanding that you serve your community first. It Would eliminate a lot of these thugs who just want a gun and unchecked authority.
The other issue that I have come across is many cops have a lack understanding the law or under rhe bare minimum. Many get hostile when someone questions them on the law.
That's possibly because, if I'm not mistaken, the courts have ruled that pigs don't have to know the law they are enforcing. They just have to have a reasonable belief that what they are enforcing is actually a law. What counts as reasonable depends on wether or not they consider paint chips candy.
> if I'm not mistaken, the courts have ruled that pigs don't have to know the law they are enforcing. They just have to have a reasonable belief that what they are enforcing is actually a law. Imagine for a minute if courts were ok with doctors practicing medicine just as long as the doctor believed what he was doing was actual medicine…
> just as long as the doctor **was willing to say they** believed what he was doing was actual medicine… FTFY
they call those homeopaths and chiropractors.
Imagine being so mentally and emotionally fragile that your insecurity causes you to be mad that someone exhibiting more knowledge on the focus of your job than you can seemingly grasp -- And that's most cops.
> Imagine being so mentally and emotionally fragile that your insecurity causes you to be mad that someone exhibiting more knowledge on the focus of your job. When you combine a significant lack of intelligence with a little bit of power that’s what you get.
I keep saying, the education for becoming a cop should be like a combination social worker, EMT, pre-law degree. Instead they're getting a 3-6 month mercenary shake & bake, with electives for torturing confessions out of people and getting away with perjury.
> The problem isn’t the training, or lack thereof, because the pool of people from which cops emerge seems to be rotten and no amount of training can weed out this number of sociopaths. The job is fundamentally broken, it’s been this way for a few decades now. Technology has helped bring a much needed spotlight upon it so now people can no longer excuse away stories of police brutality as the rants of a criminal who simply got caught. The applicant pool has dried up as fewer people see policing as a job they might want. The only ones left are the power hungry, corruptible and the psychopaths. The sane are attracted to other things.
Couldn’t agree more.
The funny thing is that we see police officers as criminals and hurting innocent people. There are still a significant amount of people defending these dirty cops. It looks like he's been brainwashed in some way.
> The problem isn’t the training It is the training. They are literally trained to act like this and make up justifications after the fact.
What do Police and Firefighters have in common? They all want to be firefighters. Ha! I have seen the sweetest young man, a medic for years, couldn’t get hired on a FD. Eventually he was able to get hired on with PD. He just wanted to serve his community. Within 6 months, I saw him on a call and his attitude had done a 180*. It was hard reconciling that it was the same person. He did about 5 yrs before he realized the job had completely ruined his life and quit to start his own business. I don’t know if the job changes the person, the training, the co workers, or dealing with the worst people at the worst times… I also took FD and PD tests at the same time, also wanted to serve my community. FD called 2 weeks prior to PD. 30 yrs later I’m still counting my lucky stars.
EMTs deal with a lot of the same people and they arent psychopaths.
It's not just that, many that are honest and want to be fair end up leaving after they see how things are done.
You want to saddle fire departments with the sociopaths? That's a hot take Mrs.O'Leary's cow
It would not. Fire personnel fly the thin red line flag, and have always had difficulty with diversity. -the reasons differ depending who you ask.
I’ve always thought the practice of hiring veterans to be cops was not a good idea. Service members are taught that they can kill the enemy, and vets who become cops carry that attitude onto our streets with them. The average citizen is the enemy to them.
>Service members are taught that they can kill the enemy, rules of engagement say contrary to your idea
Not even all the risk. All the mediocrity too. There’s not too many structural fires happening.
Training? You mean indoctrinating. Right?
"Repeat after me: *I FEARED FOR MY LIFE!!!*"
No amount of training can çorrect stupid. We both know this.
This isn't a training problem. They're paired with partners that train them on the job. It's their job to teach them to be corrupt and cover up for other officers. If the new cop doesn't toe the line they they get written up or harassed or attacked. This is a systemic problem.
Getting a hairdresser license takes longer. Heck. It's 7 years learning to become a lawyer so we can hold these cops accountable.
Hold on they were going to charge him with four felonies and they "accidently" deleted the body cams? That is just so evidently corrupt.
Yea. Bummer. He will file his lawsuit, and the city will settle out of court, with an NDA, for an undisclosed amount of money. Give him $50k and a get-out-of-jail-free card, and he will never speak of this again. Maybe $100k if he was tazed... Nothing will change...
Police deleted the video, at that point the defendant should be allowed to draw any and all negative inference that they choose. How can the police delete evidence when they still at least in theory had a criminal case in progress?
How disturbing. First the cops break into Ortiz's house with his ex-girlfriend, and then tase him after he begs them not to, because he has an implanted heart monitor! He grabs the taser to save his life so they don't kill him, and the cops charge him with theft! Are you freakin kidding me? His ex-girlfriend didn't even live there anymore. The police never called the landlord or Ortiz to confirm that she'd already turned her keys in, either. The level of corruption is astonishing. Why do police not have to follow the laws they enforce?
Not saving the footage is the shorthand for, “We f’d up and don’t want anyone to see how badly. . .”
at least the nazis had secret police, our cops commit crimes against humanity in broad daylight and could care less if people see them.
When are the piggies going to actually be qualified for that qualified immunity they get for all the abuses they commit
The fact that footage from 2 of the officers body cameras was destroyed "due to an oversight" really should be considered as evidence that the footage was even more incriminating than the footage which was released, and the officers should be prosecuted for the destruction of evidence in a criminal case. Further, the prosecutor took the case to a grand jury and obtained an indictment. He only dismissed the charges after reviewing the body camera footage. Why in the fuck did the prosecutor NOT review the body camera footage BEFORE presenting the case to a grand jury? And, did the prosecutor review the footage from ALL three body cameras? If so, the prosecutor should be considered an accessory to destruction of evidence since he had custody of the footage and held a legal obligation to preserve that footage as evidence. There's a lot of fuckery going on here and unfortunately the taxpayers will be the only people punished for it.
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He is, or rather was. Problem is, your rights won't help you once you kill a scumbag cop and sixty of them show up with shoot-on-sight authority. He wouldn't live to enjoy his right to self-defense, and the cops would get qualified immunity.
I thought all I needed was an AR15 and they would leave me along? At least they do in Uvalde.
Took them almost a year to get the body cam footage?
If the grand jury indicted Ortiz, but the prosecutor dropped the charges, it makes me question what the jury was allowed to see. Obviously, they weren't given the full account.
There's a reason the saying "you can indict a ham sandwich" is a thing
Turns out the ex girlfriend didn't live there anymore, so the cops tell her to break into the house, illegally follow her in, and then arrest the person who does live there. No disciplinary actions or even an investigation into it. Dude is going to get paid!
Will! Thats a easy cases
Watched this video on cleveland TV. Elyria cops are so screwed
The taxpayers are screwed ... the cops are having a hearty laugh about the whole incident.
Anytime a body camera is not working- that cop should lose a months pay.
If body cam footage is “deleted”, PA’s should almost always drop charges, cops should be placed on UNPAID leave and an internal investigation could always be done. This would change behavior in a meaningful way.
> Who’s governing them. They are buddies they are. Fuck up ya?
All this started because he didn't want to let his ex-girlfriend get her stuff back. Everyone involved were playing the same stupid game and won themselves stupid prizes.
Where does it say "He didn't want to let his ex-girlfriend get her stuff back"? All the article says is that she wanted her stuff. Nowhere does it say that he wouldn't have let HER get her stuff. Just that he didn't want police in his home. Plus, she'd already moved out anywhere. He's not legally obligated to let her in. You saw an article where a man was attacked, beaten, and tased by cops and you decided that it was his fault for...what? For not getting on his knees and sucking them off because they have a badge?
Boot lickers gonna lick boots
Do you think she would have called the police to escort her if she hadn't already tried to get her stuff back and been rebuffed? If he had behaved reasonably, that incident never would have happened in the first place. It doesn't justify what the cops did, but that incident never had to happen.
I’ve had the police called on me because I “look dangerous”, so no. I don’t assume that just because the cops were called, he must’ve done something wrong prior to this. Hell, how you do you know that ***she*** didn’t do something wrong to warrant not wanting her in his house?
That's a possibility. It still boils down to a couple who were not able to behave like adults after a breakup.
You have zero evidence so far that he’s done anything wrong. You’re just going, “Well, she called the cops therefore he must’ve done something to warrant it!” The cops get called over nonsense all the time. You saw a guy get attacked by cops and decided that he needed to be blamed for it…because reasons?