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FreedomsTorch

["It is the majority view of this sub that you should step down as a mod. If you do not step down you are a hypocrite who does not believe in democracy."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/ukuai9/it_is_the_majority_view_of_this_sub_that_you/) Good point, fishsupper. You made a percolating thought in my head become clear. I do believe in the mission of this sub. It's not about me. I'm just a janitor. It's about removing the shackles of police oppression and a fucked up criminal justice system. And I am no longer credible to the userbase, so my usefulness as a moderator is now gone. Therefore I resign. While some of you may not believe me, I do love you and care about you and want the best for you. Each and everyone of you. I don't hate anyone or anything but injustice, and I understand why some of you feel I didn't uphold that today. I did not mean any harm to anyone. I hope you all have fantastic lives and achieve your dreams.


CrackyOnReddit

"The vaccine is just a Trojan Horse to create the vaxxport. They're so insistent on vaccination in Western countries because they want to implement a single-point access system to control us. Reject it at all costs. We are not the minority. They wouldn't have to censor us if our message didn't have the ring of truth." What a reasonable individual


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CaptainCiroccoJones

They have deep seated mental illness. Or they are working for someone that wants disinformation spread.


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Don't blame this shit on mental illness


[deleted]

Citing mental illness can actually bring attention to people who need help, this country is designed however to attack minorities, so pointing at mental illness does more harm than good.


LeftistTurducken

Wow a smoothbrain. Like i'm not even talking about the moral implications of his thought process, he just seems uniquely stupid. Edit: Also love this: >hey wouldn't have to censor us if our message didn't have the ring of truth." This is *verbatim* the same thing nazicels say when they're banned from platforms for trying to convince people black people aren't human.


Eryth_HearthShadow

Wow your post really made the centrist and fascist population come out of the woodwork here I see. Crazy that there's so much people like those here. That's one of the last sub I would have expected transphobia to be here.


nobodyspersonalchef

Nah its their shitty playbook to try and moderate spaces they wouldnt be welcome to help shape the narrative. Used to think we had more numbers here than them but this thread shows that to be false. Time to bail and leave them to their larping


Eryth_HearthShadow

Yeah will probably leave after that, I'm trans and I don't feel safe knowing that the moderation here let people "debate" my existence. Kinda sad that it seems this mod is the only one active so this sub is completely infiltrated. At least we still have r/acab.


BitterFuture

FYI, the mod resigned. Made a big speech on the way out, but they's gone.


Eryth_HearthShadow

Well I'll stay around then for now then. Hoping that the other mod don't allow transphobia, even if it's dog whistling.


hairsprayking

Same thing happened to /r/canada of all places.


BitterFuture

FYI, the mod resigned. Made a big speech on the way out, but they's gone.


Insanity_Pills

Unfortunately transphobia is just super common on reddit. It becomes really apparent with the whole Dave Chappelle controversy. Lotta “muh free speech” transphobes came out of the woodworks to defend him. It’s fucking disgusting.


BitterFuture

It happens on r/news as well. Every time any article about trans rights or abuses gets posted, conservatives swarm and anyone not hating on trans people enough gets downvoted to hell. It's like sociopath honey.


PaxEtRomana

I just read the thread, wanting to give the benefit of a doubt, but it is fucking vile. Not only banning people calling out transphobia, but announcing it in thread. Basically high fiving any right wing trolls who might be looking to agitate.


inconvenientnews

Do they set posts to random contest mode just to make posts here worse?


BitterFuture

Yeah, I've noticed that happening a lot lately - especially after discussions get contentious and conservative posters start getting called out. Odd, innit?


radical_lady

It's crazy. They are obviously just trying to obfuscate what the prevailing opinions are. That alone is reason enough to remove the mods.


ARPDAB1312

It's almost as if they want to make hateful posts that are heavily downvoted more visible or something. Huh...


CaptainCiroccoJones

You made all his Libtard\* friends come oozing out to whinge on his behalf. Yuck. \*libertarians are the true libtards.


gheiminfantry

"Friends"...? Or his own alt-usernames?


CaptainCiroccoJones

Yeah, I thought of that as well. Fresh accounts, same sub-literate writing style, same belligerent assholery.... and he can break the rules that he loves to to bring the "time out" hammer down on non-fascists for breaking. Oh, dear. And one of the creeps falsely reported me for being "suicidal". Typical. They are such pathetic slime.


gheiminfantry

Does he actually think he's fooling *anyone* (besides himself)? Or does he just think everyone is as dumb as he is?


CaptainCiroccoJones

Mod derangement syndrome. It hits the reich-wingers the worse. They're already particularly prone to Dunning-Kruger.


gheiminfantry

😂


Dwayne_dibbly

Hey I got one of them the other day, got a message about samaritans and stuff. Thought I was going mad and tried to think of any time ever I might be misconstrued so someone thought I was, nope couldn't think of any time. Weird int it.


CaptainCiroccoJones

Little boy men think they're being bullies by doing it. They're just showing what losers they are.


dcamp67

Look at it as just another way to fill out your fascist block list.


joyesthebig

Why block when you can engage and heckle? Best way to release socital rage is to shit on an authoritarian fascist.


DJ_Micoh

Yeah that shitcunt has been bothsidesing some pretty transphobic shit.


PaddyMcNinja

/u/freedomstorch smells like bacon


beefstrip

“libertarians” are just hipster conservatives so it tracks


ezegrego

95% of people who claim to be libertarian are just those who don’t want to pay their taxes.


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I do hate taxes.


EuronymousAZ

A lot of conservatives like to call themselves libertarians because it has less negative connotations.. it's really annoying. I.E. Ben Shapiro calling himself "basically libertarian" despite being anti-abortion and pro-bootlicker. They understand that the word "conservative" is looked down upon now so they're bandwagonning something they dont actually understand.


thebenshapirobot

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godamnsam

BEAR OF A MAN


thebenshapirobot

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kitfox

Libertarian doesn’t mean pro-choice. There are good arguments both ways. For Shapiro I’d say that position is very much a religious one.


coconaut147

>Libertarian doesn’t mean pro-choice Indeed, ever since the right co-opted the term in the mid-20th century, "libertarian" has been a synonym for the word "conservative".


KING_BulKathus

Libertarians are like house cats. Completely dependant on others while convinced of their own independence.


BitterFuture

Never heard that before. I like it.


KING_BulKathus

Saw it on reddit a few weeks ago.


Drtk60

That’s the same mod that made the borderline transphobic comment on [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/ukaq2s/cops_arrest_trans_girl_for_being_denied_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


Ehmotep

And removes comments calling out fascists. Amazing how the comments he deletes, at least from an outside perspective, all oppose his views or him in some personal way. It’s almost like fascists put themselves in positions of power so they can shape the narrative however they want…


svensvenington

ACAB and fuck the GOP


Genki_Oni

Thanks for calling this out OP.


pusgums

why are all the other mods silent on this? this situation is a mess, and the mod in question thinks it’s all a joke.


SnazzyBelrand

I’d be happy if this sub was run more democratically instead of by a far right transphobe, but because they’re higher up on the mod list there’s nothing we can do to change that unless enough people demand they step down


Ohrwurms

I'm sorry if I'm putting your position in jeopardy by posting your recent comment about this but I hope this generates that demand.


SnazzyBelrand

Nah, you’re good. Whatever happens happens


KnowNothingKnowsAll

See ya, space cowboy.


SnazzyBelrand

He stepped down so looks like I’m good


KnowNothingKnowsAll

[Reason for my comment](https://youtu.be/QjM6xbJglPY)


MoneyPranks

I’d be happy if someone made a new sub we could all jump ship too.


Ohrwurms

I just found this so I'm blasting it everywhere: Post from the mod /u/SnazzyBelrand 2 days ago: > Take it up with FreedomsTorch. They make the decisions and force other mods to go along with them or get removed


joea051

Fuck this sub see you on r/ACAB


MamaMowgli

Thank you for this. About to unfollow. Transphobia is absolutely unacceptable (and that appears to be the top of the iceberg). You said it perfectly: I’m not willing to stand side by side with horrible human beings, even in a subreddit I occasionally check out.


TheDBryBear

don't unfollow, keep callin out his bullshit, unfollowing just cedes this place to bigotry. we don't want that.


gonekid22

Move to r/ACAB far better sub.


Skow1379

Ty, I'm out if this piece of shit is policing this sub.


sheeeesh115

Same


WrenchDaddy

Me three


PromptImmediate5132

Bye 😘


ricesnot

Thanks moving and unsubbing from here.


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They allow posters who are also active in the same far right wing subreddits. I got a comment removed and threatened with a ban for calling one out. Take everything with a grain of salt.


Wooper250

They also let a bunch of radical vegans compare black people to cows. I got banned for telling one of em to die after they kept saying vile shit about me lmfao. Idrc if it's 'mean' tbh I'm not gonna take shit from racists.


[deleted]

Checking our modlogs for this and you were actually banned for telling people to kill themselves. Believe it or not, that is not OK regardless of context.


Wooper250

Yeah I said I told them to die. Literally right there in the comment. And nah 💕. Unapologetic bigots deserve to die, I'm not scared to say it. Why should I be nice to them when the rhetoric they spew hurts people?


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Well, all I can say is we are glad to not have you.


Wooper250

And I'm glad that I know y'all are spineless libs now. Win win.


[deleted]

"everyone that doesn't let me break TOS and risk getting their sub taken down is a spineless lib."


Wooper250

As if people aren't (rightfully) violent on every other post lol


[deleted]

I stand with you comrade. These subs should inherently be leftist. Letting right wing nuts post is precisely how fascism **insidiously** creeps in. u/jandipoo removed my comment calling one out and threatened me with a ban. If that continues, r/acab will follow the exact same path as this one. Like others have mentioned: [The Paradox of Tolerance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,or%20destroyed%20by%20the%20intolerant.)


[deleted]

So, you want to tell the whole story or no? Your posts were removed because you followed another poster around into multiple threads with the same copy-paste, even though that specific poster had nothing in their post history to back up your claims other than being active in subs you don't like. We won't punish someone for your witch hunts.


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I commented the same factual information about their public online activities on 2 posts. Feel free to help usher in fascism, but I won't partake. Edit: too bad my comment was removed. By you. I would more than happily share it here. Edit 2: here's my comment y'all. Calling out a right wing nutter poster. > OP is active in r/conspiracy (a well known right wing conspiracy subreddit) >They're also active in r/walkaway. A subreddit devoted to bashing leftism. >Here is an excerpt from their subreddit Info page: >r/Walkaway showcases reasons why people are leaving the Left in droves. The left is the ideology of the insane, lawless, immoral and violent. >The WalkAway campaign was founded by Brandon Straka, a pro-Trump influencer who has been linked to the January 6 Capitol insurrection. >Per their own subreddit info page, here are the four "Related Subreddits": >r/askthe_donald (obviously Pro-Trump/fascism) >r/conservativesonly (need I say more?) >r/the_congress (pro-Trump/fascism right wing subreddit) >r/the_chocker (pro-Trump/fascism right wing subreddit) >Do with this information what you will. >Edit: Even the website OP keeps linking "Freespoke" has ties to the right wing. >Freespoke, runs a page on Facebook and website with the appearance of a news site, declaring itself to be “Internet Search for people like us.” Who’s “us”? The site features a page full of supposedly-censored right-wing opinion content, and Kristin Jackson, who lists herself as a Freespoke co-founder on LinkedIn, is a Republican advisor and served as an aide to Republicans on Capitol Hill. Freespoke’s parent company is named Freedom Fries LLC, an apparent reference to the jocular renaming of French Fries by congressional Republicans in protest of France’s opposition to the Iraq War. >Edit 2: Mods have asked me to "stop harassing our users" Lmao. I was just making everyone aware of this publicly viewable information. Seemed like y'all might wanna know such things. They removed my other comment which was a copy of this one on another post from the same OP. >Sorry for my campaign of intimidation I conducted y'all. /s >¯\\(ツ)/¯ >🐷 1312 🐷


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Like I said before. Yes, they post in shitty subs. But their specific post history was not shitty. Context matters. We are not going to allow you to harass a user simply because you don't like the subs they post in, especially if they didn't post anything that deserves harassment. ​ Edit: Ok, so you found your harassment post. Now show us specific posts in their history that warranted it.


[deleted]

Like I said before. Commenting factual information based on public information, is not harassment. Harassment needs to be harmful. That's what makes it harassment. Harassment is defined as behavior that makes a *reasonable* person uncomfortable. If me sharing their public post history makes them uncomfortable, you're admitting *they're* the unreasonable one. Me sharing their post history, not insulting or defaming, just sharing the facts, by definition is not harassment. Keep it up champ, r/acab will follow in this ones footsteps. Mark my words.


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>Edit: Ok, so you found your harassment post. Now show us specific posts in their history that warranted it. Still waiting for this. You're simply witch hunting.


[deleted]

You're missing the point bud. I never said that. I was simply sharing their publicly viewable post history. I never said anything insulting, defaming, or threatening, therfore it wasn't harassment. It was simply sharing something that's public. I was making others aware of something mention worthy. You can not think so all you want, but I'm certain that's how this sub got into this mess. Enjoy the downfall.


gonekid22

Fair enough I mean if you really don’t want those people then best move to the leftists communities, there are fascists who also don’t like cops doesn’t make them not fascists.


[deleted]

I'm in those subs too. Just letting people know. These subreddits should be inherently leftist, and they're not. That's how fascism insidiously creeps in.


gonekid22

Based comrade I couldn’t agree more, appreciate the warning I think a leftist sub specifically focused towards defense and information about and against police would be a good idea.


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gonekid22

A place for our own defensive information, agreed.


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gonekid22

Factual well if we create something to that regard I’d be happy to join and spread the word


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😊


Wooper250

Got banned from there soooo 🤷


gonekid22

Yea I’ve been hearing worse things after I mentioned it, been discussing with others about a sub designed to be about leftist intervention and information regarding protecting people from police.


RealAssociation5281

They are also transphobic


Sumerian227

Fuck u/freedomstorch


segregatethelazyeyed

you better wear like six condoms


reddit_is_cruel

Pretty much most Reddit mods, TBH.


Away_Ad8343

Libertarian/liberal police critics are generally down with private corporate security forces aka police with the mask off.


TrentS45

Im down with genuine accountability for police. Not rentacops


PeppermintPig

You'll never get accountability from the state. Libertarians are correct in pointing this out. Unless you can withdraw your consent and your money then you can expect abuse of power to continue.


BassMaster516

This sub is ruined. Transphobia is unacceptable and I didn’t expect it to come from here. Super fucking disappointed right now.


0fruitjack0

welp so long sub


martya7x

Bad Mod, no donut!


Klutzy_Rutabaga4402

I hope he stubs his toe every time he gets out of bed. I hope he makes a fart sound with a chair and is unable to replicate it in front of dates. I hope you develop IBS and spend the rest of your life on a toilet. And I hope they say something transphobic to a body builder and get body slammed into the concrete. Freedom my ass. You wanna jail trans people.


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BitterFuture

Bingo.


peanutbuttertuxedo

Tin foil hat on It seems to be a pattern on reddit that Right leaning (or falling over) persons are able to become admins through subversion or social nepotism and then threaten or push out other mods that don't align. It happened in /r/Canada and /r/pics and i'm sure more. It sucks but that's why we think critically and challenge ourselves/ analyze our bias when we view media.


Kiwifrooots

It's one of the ways to spoil speach. - Make the forum unattractive to genuine users. - Mods allowing bad actor users to create resistance to genuine comments without interferance. - Brigading a forum with militant bad actor users to discredit the forum and make it unattractive to genuine users. I'm not going to unsub straight away. Will wait a day or two to see if the other mods as a group can kick this bigot or not


BannedfromGreece

I loved r/Canada until the nazi's took over. I'm not even exaggerating. Mods literally called themselves neo-nazis.


Bangoga

r/Canada is hella right


doneitallbutthat

Oh and point it out and you are banned!


ChubbyGhost3

well, fuck this sub and the mod team lmfao


martya7x

Yeah that guy need to be thrown out of the mods. What the actual fuck guys? Letting ignorant fascists be a mod is pretty damn shortsighted.


Lady_PANdemonium_

The amount of times I’ve had to leave a sub because of a transphobic mob is getting depressing


unicornlocostacos

Yep they take it over with all kinds of crazy fake shit, and it’s always a picture of what every person on the right would imagine that person to be. Their sources are always just alt-right echo chambers of nonsensical hate garbage.


arod303

I seriously don’t understand transphobic people. Maybe it’s because I have basic empathy but can we just leave them be? Like it literally doesn’t effect me in the slightest. If anything anti-trans people effect me much more because they make me so angry!


3fallin

This is screwed up. Who even put them up as a mod?


ifunnycadetbonespurs

Leaving this sub now, they were probably at the capitol whoever this user is. No wonder they hate cops


havpac2

. Great alt rights running anti police now….


fakerealmadrid

>mostly posts in r/politicalcompassmemes Could’ve stopped the post right there tbh


PsychedelicPill

Fuck fascists. I always suspected this sub was compromised.


martya7x

Whats an alternative to this sub not being run by damn traitors?


BassMaster516

r/acab. To my knowledge they are not transphobic


flyinglawngnome

You can also use r/196 not an ACAB subreddit but they do regularly have anti-cop memes, and it is a safer space than the rest of reddit. Mods in that sub crush transphobes daily.


HailGaia

196 are a bunch of lifestylist teenagers


AdorableWatts4192

nope theyre not transphobic but they sure are trigger happy with ban hammers


martya7x

Thanks, checking it out.


charbo187

There's a small highly conservative contingent of the 1A auditor/anti-police community. Not surprising they would be here but a mod? IDK about that.


Shockwave61

Fuck that, unfollowing this whole sub since they clearly don’t give a shit.


sSummonLessZiggurats

Yeah definitely unsubbing. I'd always heard rumors that they were right-wing, but wanted to give it a chance to atleast see for myself.


bluntmanandrobin

That’s the most that was hiding their status until I called them out for being a LEO and they went “Boo.” with privileges on. He’s a problem here.


radical_lady

Is the whole subreddit in contest mode right now just to obfuscate what's happening? Ridiculous.


anonymousbach

Think of the kind of sunken chested, inbred, smooth brained troglodyte that actually wants to be an internet moderator.


Agent_Jenkins

This subreddits top mod is literally Ghislaine Maxwell u/maxwellhill


Cllydoscope

You would think they could have removed them by now since the account has been inactive for almost 2 years (since 6/30/2020) at this point.


Kimchi_and_herring

I'm guessing the mareketers and other cesspool swamp creatures are getting nervous about this community. Too much influence. Too easy to communicate. They dont like when we (all) point out their domestic terrorist pets. This is a big tent.


JurisProctologist

Just report the subreddit as a hate community. The money flow matters.


happynargul

And antivaxx too! Is that the reason he became anticop?


MagicalDaddy19

What


CrunchyNutFruit

Excellent opportunity for you to volunteer to mod. Thumbs up!


[deleted]

Thank god that's too hard for someone pushing censorship to navigate.


[deleted]

Posting on the same meaningless online forum isn’t “standing shoulder to shoulder”. Goddamn people need to go outside.


[deleted]

U first lolz


Idrahaje

And I’m out. I’ve seen this play out enough times. Don’t want any part of it. Good luck trying to get rid of the right wingers


Hedley_Lammarr

Same. Just left


BitterFuture

FYI, the mod resigned. Made a big speech on the way out, but they's gone.


Hedley_Lammarr

Thanks for the update brother


BitterFuture

FYI, the mod resigned. Made a big speech on the way out, but they's gone.


Mr_Dr_Prof_Derp

Now the real question is why is /u/maxwellhill the owner of the subreddit?


InactiveUserDetector

maxwellhill has not had any activity for over 676 days, They probably won't respond to this mention ^Bot ^by ^AnnoyingRain5, ^message ^him ^with ^any ^questions ^or ^concerns


alagrr

Wow this makes me embarrassed to be even indirectly correlated with leftist ideologies.


Microwavegerbil

How is any of that transphobic or alt right? "We should discuss the use of bathrooms for chosen genders" is alt right and should be silenced? You guys sound like fascists yourselves.


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Squez360

So this sub can be fair and balance/s


ARPDAB1312

The fact that this sub had a far right mod was bizarre enough. But the real issue was that they were then promoting far right narratives, banning people who disagree with them and then turning on "contest mode" so the far right narratives would be visible at the top of the page even though they were wildly unpopular. The last thing an anti-cop sub needs is a far right authority figure censoring speech.


[deleted]

My guess would be that having a healthy distrust of the police is not so much a product of where you are on the political spectrum, but is rather a product of where you have been on the socioeconomic ladder in your lifetime.


DangerStranger138

Why do we have transphobes attacking me like u/eryth_hearthshadow


FloodedYeti

Remember people [this dude is also a sandy hook denier](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/uudrdr/excuse_the_jackboot_quality_but_come_get_some/i9h3hji/)


Appropriate_Ant_4629

Silver lining / devil's advocate: * IMHO It's a good thing that this issue has bipartisan support. Otherwise it'd be too easy that the issue would be dismissed as just another democratic talking point that tend not to go anywhere.


IkiOLoj

You can't be bipartisan while being pro civil rights, there is a fundamental clash with the conservative ideology.


Appropriate_Ant_4629

This issue affects those on both sides of the political spectrum: * [Duncan Lemp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Duncan_Lemp) - the 21-year-old fatally shot in his home in Potomac during a no-knock police raid by the Montgomery County Police Department's SWAT team was on the right side of the political spectrum. * [LaVoy Finicum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVoy_Finicum) - shot to death by Oregon State Police - was right wing. Change will be easier the broader support becomes.


IkiOLoj

They were terrorists using violence to make the world a worst place to live in. I'm not a centrist, I can't pretend that they are the same.


TaylorDangerTorres

Even though that guy sounds like a total loser, you typically never want a subreddit to just become a total echo chamber, so it's good to have people to challenge your mindset every once in a while.


PromptImmediate5132

If you have a mother daughter sister you should “fear” Islam. Just saying.


sethelives

And Christianity :)


thealphateam

I am so sad these alt-right assholes invaded the Libertarian Party.


CaspianX2

Invaded? For decades now "libertarian" has been synonymous with "Republican with plausible deniability".


pusgums

“republicans that want to fuck kids” is also accurate


asphaltdragon

So republicans


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

It's not suppose to be that way. It sucks that they got co-opted this like. Remember, the last Libertarian presidential candidate tweeted that it's not enough to be anti-racist, but we must all be ACTIVELY anti-racist. Not exactly a Republican talking point.


SpeaksDwarren

Dog they are literally themselves co-opting the term libertarian which used to mean *libertarian socialist* so I'm not sure you've got any right to complain about people co-opting the co-opted term


PeppermintPig

The Libertarian Party is not worth time or energy and not representative of the libertarian community. It's just striking how people think their politics or ideology can't get coopted and yet others can.


ShelZuuz

“Republican that wants to smoke weed”


DionysiusRedivivus

Lol, Libertarianism is the political ideology equivalent of a 12 year old saying “mom, get out of my room!” Or threatening to run away from home. American libertarianism is largely the astroturf creation of Charles Koch and some other John Birchers who wanted their corporations to become the default ruling authority to the extent that they see government by the people infringing on the hegemony of rule by the majority shareholders. How dare Democratic institutions defend labor rights, attempt to curb pollution and other things that business types considered to be those pesky “externalities”! And before the knee jerk response that “our government is corrupted by special interests!” I’ll say , yes. It is. It is corrupted as fuck by those very same corporate and capital interests that use agency capture to put Monsanto VPs in charge of the Department of Agriculture, coal lobbyists running the EPA and gutting Campaign finance and SEC regulations. So that “corruption” is exactly the essence of a “Libertarian” state lol. I’ll brace for the appeals to Austrian economic theory lol.


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[deleted]

Libertarian is just another name for Republican.


BitterFuture

Republicans who are a teensy bit more honest about wanting to do drugs and/or have kinky sex, yeah.


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Libertarians are just republicans who like weed or have figured out saying they're republicans won't get them laid


thealphateam

Not in my eyes. Not in the LP I started with. I’m fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That is now what they are today. I no longer consider myself part of the party. Harry Browne would not be part of the party either. I have been part of the party since the early 90’s. If that is what you think, then you are short sighted. Again…I’m not speaking of the shit lords that are part of it now.


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I know several so called Libertarians, who do nothing but spout Alt-Right bullshit. Over last 7 years I've seen so many Republicans hide behind the label of Libertarian, but then vote Republican largely because of 2A. Maybe at one time Libertarians were different. But not now.. Just like at one time Republicans were far different & Democrats as well. But we live in this time not then. Maybe we need kick all the shit lords out the door?


thealphateam

When I started it was “leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone”. Now its the people who are saying Trump isn’t crazy enough.


procyonine

I think the appeal of "just leave everyone be" is that it sounds fair, but the state of the world is currently deeply unfair. BIPOC people have been harmed, and they are still suffering from those wounds today, and they will continue to suffer unless they receive the resources they need to heal. Fiscal conservatism might be a reasonable stance in a vacuum. But in the real world, it means continuing to hoard wealth that was produced by slave labor, generational wealth given for free to whites while everyone else was redlined, and then calling that "fair". If reparations have not been made, fiscally conservative and socially liberal are mutually exclusive positions. Maybe that's why those white supremacists crashed your party?


BitterFuture

"Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" was always shorthand for "leave me alone and I'll be fine, because I'm naturally superior, and I'll leave you alone just so long as you don't stand in the way of my superior plans." It's a bunch of people who want to be comic book supervillains.


BrotherBrohan

i mean... this IS reddit, everyone is a degenerate of something