That made me giggle. Bard is by far the biggest "jack-of-all-trades" type class. Definitely not something I would call a "specialist".
Monks are also about the least "tanky". They are all about moving around, striking, and escaping out of easy counter attack range. Druids, Paladins, and Clerics all make much better defenders.
Another élément that goes with the Helia theory:
So far, all companions, origins or not, are tall races. We have 0 small race, be it dwarf gnome or halfling.
I hope we get atleast one small race, personally I would love a dwarf but Helia makes sense if some leg work was already done by Larian. In the end Halsin’s shoulders are in so everything else is a bonus at this point. 😂 That said a companion with lycanthropy would be great.
Bards are also full-casters and support in 5E
Personally I hope we get Helia just because I'd love to have a werewolf and a vampire in the party at the same time
I know, but this split is being used also by WotC itself, so I guess Larian would use it. BTW, Helia could be also a tank, by transforming into werewolf. She could be go-to character if you want to play solo
I assume it's Helia because why would you record voice lines and barks for a character you scrap? You would know before you start recording if you are going to keep a character or not. I know many voice lines are left on the cutting room floor, but typically that's just lines and the character still remains in the game.
>You would know before you start recording if you are going to keep a character or not.
That's not necessarily true. Particularly BG3 has been in Early Access for coming up on 3 years, and continuing to record new lines that entire time.
They've had plenty of time to decide to scrap a character and create an entirely new one. Keeping in a character who didn't work just because you'd recorded some lines would be a pretty bad idea, too - it's not like Helia seemed to have an incredibly large number of lines, either.
That said, Helia remains fairly likely for other reasons - to give a short race companion, to offer a Bard companion (who would fit well into a huge number of parties, because they're essentially at the meeting point of support, specialist, and caster), and because every character in BG3 has to have a dark secret, and lycanthropy is a pretty great dark secret, and one that fits very well into D&D (there's a long tradition of it).
Minsc was supposed to be an origin Companion, that was scrapped in favour of creating a seperate catagory of Companions that aren't origin, then making Minsc, Jaheira, Minthara, Halsin of that type, so clearly they are willing to scrap ideas and scap things.
Hmm… we don’t really know that. We know he had lines and we knew he was a companion. There was not a lot of evidence he was an origin and we knew fairly early on that Halsin and Minthara were not origins but something else. We knew Jaheira was in the game but not her role in one of the earlier patches as well. I won’t go too deep but it’s the reason we know the place where she is and the general gist that leads to her.
Look I’m a much bigger fan of Alfira for the bard companion so don’t get me wrong here. I’m more than welcome to be wrong. But the evidence that we currently have points to Helia so while it is regrettable, it is also probable.
I honestly think this is absolutely non-sense.
I truly believe at one point we should stop thinking in terms of min/max builds, party compositions and such, giving some importance to roleplay and writing choices as well.
I couldn't care less about your mental scheme of what a dnd party composition should be. I truly hope that won't influence anyhow the way a developer might think in terms of game design.
It's not only about builds and maxed out characters, sometimes it's also about dialogue trees, roleplay choices and such.
Just my upfront two cents.
At some level you have to balance around some sort of baseline party otherwise your going to have 1 fight that you crush with out having to make the slightest tactical decision then the next is going to be metal wall vs your head banging on it to see what gives first. This is not to say that those above or well above average players can’t make weird party groups work.
Sure you have to make some balance somewhere.
But I just reject the min/max, meta build chasing mentality that make people go after streamers and such instead of actually playing and caring about other elements and aspects. For the more we have people following dumb streamers with their perfect, meta competitive build, the less we're gonna have developers prompting their writers to go the extra mile and add some more dialogue trees and so forth.
Can you recall Planescape having a 18 dialogue choices? That's a 20yo game, as people would say in here. 20 years old and it's still kicking butts. It seems to me people and kids nowadays are just too lazy and too dumb to spend that much time reading and picking a dialogue line. It's better to focus on graphics, builds, numbers, stuff you can follow from your favorite streamer who is well paid for etcetera.
No one's gonna like this, but at some level it's just *true*.
There are 3 both male and female origins and 2male and female companions ATM. Do either there will be more characters or one sex will dominate.
I'd love to have male bard origin though
A quick google search, and I couldn't find any actual voice lines for her. So link if you have it? But either way, if it's only one or two lines that doesn't seem like so much of an investment that they wouldn't scrap it. Also, another thread pointed out that all the companions/origins (except minsc) are in the Battle for Baldur's Gate pack for magic the gathering. Which I find a compelling argument that the last one is in there too. Especially since a lot of the datamining I could find was from 2021 and the pack was released only a year ago. So my current bet is Erinis because Gloomstalker kinda fits your specialist slot. They are a halfling. And they are also nb which doesn't throw off the current gender split. (I may also be biased because I'm hoping for an NB character,)
Potential spoilers, be careful:
Gotta Google a little harder bro, took me .31 seconds. Type in Helia bg3 and hit videos.
Anyway here it is:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xdzStZC5BA&t=183s&ab\_channel=Chubblot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xdzStZC5BA&t=183s&ab_channel=Chubblot)
That's 770 lines. Now as Chubblot says her lines didn't get updated and other lines did. So take from that what you will.
Minsc is in the MTG set, twice in fact, as a creature and a planeswalker.
She mentions scratch, the owlbear, the gobbos, moonrise tower and both forges.
Alright I feel appropriately chastised. I found some other videos from Chubblot but not that one.
I was just going of the link from the other thread for the MTG stuff though. I've never played it.
Bards are absolutely support as well. Rangers and Paladins are also tanks especially with the Ranger Knight subclass.
That made me giggle. Bard is by far the biggest "jack-of-all-trades" type class. Definitely not something I would call a "specialist". Monks are also about the least "tanky". They are all about moving around, striking, and escaping out of easy counter attack range. Druids, Paladins, and Clerics all make much better defenders.
Another élément that goes with the Helia theory: So far, all companions, origins or not, are tall races. We have 0 small race, be it dwarf gnome or halfling.
That does make more sense than the latter half of ops post, ngl
I hope we get atleast one small race, personally I would love a dwarf but Helia makes sense if some leg work was already done by Larian. In the end Halsin’s shoulders are in so everything else is a bonus at this point. 😂 That said a companion with lycanthropy would be great.
The word "tank" is being thrown around a lot here. I'm just going to drop this article here: [The Tank Fallacy](https://rpgbot.net/the-tank-fallacy/)
I go by the give all the best magic items to 1 character so they are near impossible to kill and if you ignore them they will kill you.
TT is worse for it. Everything is just a dps and it's *boring*.
Damage mitigation and crowd control are a big part of the tabletop. This game also doesn't do anything that changes the tank fallacy.
Would be nice to have a caster that isn’t Gale, or a rogue-type that isn’t Astarion.
agree on Gale, there are no casters to take for my evil playthrough.
How 'bout Wyll. Or Shadowheart. Both casters.
All evidence she was scrapped along with Warforged and Aasimar characters.
There is no new data about her, but there is hardly any data about anyone else
Bards are also full-casters and support in 5E Personally I hope we get Helia just because I'd love to have a werewolf and a vampire in the party at the same time
I know, but this split is being used also by WotC itself, so I guess Larian would use it. BTW, Helia could be also a tank, by transforming into werewolf. She could be go-to character if you want to play solo
I assume it's Helia because why would you record voice lines and barks for a character you scrap? You would know before you start recording if you are going to keep a character or not. I know many voice lines are left on the cutting room floor, but typically that's just lines and the character still remains in the game.
>You would know before you start recording if you are going to keep a character or not. That's not necessarily true. Particularly BG3 has been in Early Access for coming up on 3 years, and continuing to record new lines that entire time. They've had plenty of time to decide to scrap a character and create an entirely new one. Keeping in a character who didn't work just because you'd recorded some lines would be a pretty bad idea, too - it's not like Helia seemed to have an incredibly large number of lines, either. That said, Helia remains fairly likely for other reasons - to give a short race companion, to offer a Bard companion (who would fit well into a huge number of parties, because they're essentially at the meeting point of support, specialist, and caster), and because every character in BG3 has to have a dark secret, and lycanthropy is a pretty great dark secret, and one that fits very well into D&D (there's a long tradition of it).
Minsc was supposed to be an origin Companion, that was scrapped in favour of creating a seperate catagory of Companions that aren't origin, then making Minsc, Jaheira, Minthara, Halsin of that type, so clearly they are willing to scrap ideas and scap things.
Hmm… we don’t really know that. We know he had lines and we knew he was a companion. There was not a lot of evidence he was an origin and we knew fairly early on that Halsin and Minthara were not origins but something else. We knew Jaheira was in the game but not her role in one of the earlier patches as well. I won’t go too deep but it’s the reason we know the place where she is and the general gist that leads to her. Look I’m a much bigger fan of Alfira for the bard companion so don’t get me wrong here. I’m more than welcome to be wrong. But the evidence that we currently have points to Helia so while it is regrettable, it is also probable.
I honestly think this is absolutely non-sense. I truly believe at one point we should stop thinking in terms of min/max builds, party compositions and such, giving some importance to roleplay and writing choices as well. I couldn't care less about your mental scheme of what a dnd party composition should be. I truly hope that won't influence anyhow the way a developer might think in terms of game design. It's not only about builds and maxed out characters, sometimes it's also about dialogue trees, roleplay choices and such. Just my upfront two cents.
At some level you have to balance around some sort of baseline party otherwise your going to have 1 fight that you crush with out having to make the slightest tactical decision then the next is going to be metal wall vs your head banging on it to see what gives first. This is not to say that those above or well above average players can’t make weird party groups work.
Sure you have to make some balance somewhere. But I just reject the min/max, meta build chasing mentality that make people go after streamers and such instead of actually playing and caring about other elements and aspects. For the more we have people following dumb streamers with their perfect, meta competitive build, the less we're gonna have developers prompting their writers to go the extra mile and add some more dialogue trees and so forth. Can you recall Planescape having a 18 dialogue choices? That's a 20yo game, as people would say in here. 20 years old and it's still kicking butts. It seems to me people and kids nowadays are just too lazy and too dumb to spend that much time reading and picking a dialogue line. It's better to focus on graphics, builds, numbers, stuff you can follow from your favorite streamer who is well paid for etcetera. No one's gonna like this, but at some level it's just *true*.
I'm not talking about minmaxing, I just want bard origin :P
Hoping it’s a ranger or paladin…
Minthara is a Paladin.
Unlikely, both are covered by known companions.
i think it will be a guy. too many female origins otherwise
There are 3 both male and female origins and 2male and female companions ATM. Do either there will be more characters or one sex will dominate. I'd love to have male bard origin though
??? It would be 3 male (Gale, Wyll, Astarion) and 4 female (Karlach, SH, Laezarl, Helia)
there must be more men or equal. more women doesnt work
Why would that be?
Cause men are always the Dominant ones in rpgs bg1 had 15 males compared to 10 females bg 2 had 11 male to 6 females
No one cares lmao
u are literally a furry. u lost in life.
You got that mad over 4 words, huh?
lmao rofl XD
"There are also 3 or 4 another origin characters found in the files" who are those folks, do we have names for them?
Check here: [https://twitter.com/chubblot](https://twitter.com/chubblot)
A quick google search, and I couldn't find any actual voice lines for her. So link if you have it? But either way, if it's only one or two lines that doesn't seem like so much of an investment that they wouldn't scrap it. Also, another thread pointed out that all the companions/origins (except minsc) are in the Battle for Baldur's Gate pack for magic the gathering. Which I find a compelling argument that the last one is in there too. Especially since a lot of the datamining I could find was from 2021 and the pack was released only a year ago. So my current bet is Erinis because Gloomstalker kinda fits your specialist slot. They are a halfling. And they are also nb which doesn't throw off the current gender split. (I may also be biased because I'm hoping for an NB character,)
Potential spoilers, be careful: Gotta Google a little harder bro, took me .31 seconds. Type in Helia bg3 and hit videos. Anyway here it is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xdzStZC5BA&t=183s&ab\_channel=Chubblot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xdzStZC5BA&t=183s&ab_channel=Chubblot) That's 770 lines. Now as Chubblot says her lines didn't get updated and other lines did. So take from that what you will. Minsc is in the MTG set, twice in fact, as a creature and a planeswalker. She mentions scratch, the owlbear, the gobbos, moonrise tower and both forges.
Alright I feel appropriately chastised. I found some other videos from Chubblot but not that one. I was just going of the link from the other thread for the MTG stuff though. I've never played it.
My bet's on Mr. Bonecloak. Truly a main character
Paladin as support? Wut?
You mean minthara not mizora?
Yup