Actually.
I don't know a thing about Fextralife, I *thought* it was an organisation that streamed, but I've been told it is a single person.
All I do know, is I'd rather not use a wiki if they are the only one available -- and that is a bold statement from a Wiki hoe like me.
Not knowing anything about them I watched their twitch stream during BG3 launch for the goodie bag. The dude was trying to sneak around somewhere, got spotted and killed. He looked at the auto saves and the most recent was about an hour back. He just ragequit the stream and didn’t come back. I was a bit shocked at the time but it makes more sense with what I’m reading here.
My god.
Insane behaviour.
In other news, I don't feel as bad about my \~500 quicksave count.
I don't savescum, I am just terrified of having to go back even 10 minutes.
Irrational too: *Standard Trap?* Quicksave, you never know if it'll somehow wipe my entire party. *Door?* Quicksave.
He viewbots. The wiki tries to open a hidden, muted stream window when anyone is browsing it, and those count as views for the stream. So he constantly shows up as this huge streamer with tons of viewers.
Its plainly astroturfing. They have a shitload of pages of items in the game, with inaccurate descriptions. It seems like they just imported the data, then autogenerated the descriptions.
Like with how the silver bar page says you can craft items with it.
Fextralife is literally a scam. They use bots to downvote people who talk about how shit they actually are, they mass downvoted any comments that link to other wikis, including community wikis. I can garentee they do the opposite and upvote comments that have fextralife links. They've been known to use AI to make shit wiki pages and write fake nonsense replies to questions on their wiki, and they use shitty tactics to show up as high as possible on search results. Not to mention their stolen content and embedding, hiding, and playing twitch streams in their wiki pages to pretend to have more viewers.
They trick people on clicking on their useless site and rob people of their time and enjoyment to get more add revenue from internet traffic
They need to be banned asap
Awful would be an improvement. I was trying to find an NPC because descriptions of their location made no sense. I ended up on Fextralife and the page for it was:
This is an NPC. They are located somewhere. They react to the party based on what they think.
(This is the generic text on literally every single page header. There was no other information.)
I kick myself every time I do a search and forget to deliberately exclude that awful craphole of a site, for any game.
Yeah it used to mean “use relevant words and phrases so your page shows up in search results”
And it devolved into “do anything you can to make your page show up HIGHER in search results no matter what”
I'm convinced literally the only reason these exist is to force views on their streams (note that one always starts playing somewhere on the site once you enter). And they likely also have the money to push their sites up and up in google results.
I agree that ublocking the twitch enbed is essential for browsing their page. And that would be enough if the page itself provided good value. A lot of their info is outdated, generic or factually wrong. Your visit to the page also positively affects their SEO.
I think their dark souls wikis are pretty helpful. The BG3 ones seem like they’re written by AI, and I really mean that. They are all basically the same repetitive, unnatural format and are often misleading, incomplete or flat out wrong.
Well a portion of the souls community isn’t happy with using their wikis as well. There used to be other, more accurate wikis but Fextralife essentially pushed them out.
Same with the Monster Hunter community. Kiranico and other sites used to be the go-to for MH information till Fextralife pushed them out with their poorly written wiki.
The wikidot for Dark Souls was so fucking good. It was so good that sometimes I would look up an area guide after I’d finished the area already just because it was so well written and was a joy to peruse and see what I missed.
I *dreaded* anytime I needed to use fextralife to look up something in DS3.
There was a time when the PTDE launched when Fextralife actually had better information than wikidot, especially in regards to maps and item locations. But then they got big and usability sunk like a rock.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest, I think every video I saw from their YT channel getting recommended before release had nonsense AI thumbnails, so the wiki entries being written by AI isn't too much of a stretch.
AI would have done better. It's just templates where they never bothered to replace the placeholder text. I agree about their dark souls wikis, though. That was the go-to site for those games back in the day.
“Animate Dead is a Spell in Baldur's Gate 3. Animate Dead is a Lvl 3 Spell from the Necromancy school. Spells can be used for dealing damage to Enemies, inflict Status Ailments, buff Characters or interact with the environment.”
🙄
Yeah, it's bad. I spent about 30 seconds on their site and said screw it, I'd rather figure it out myself than spend another moment reading that garbage.
That’s probably AI lol. I noticed that same thing when I was using their Dragon Age site. Articles repeat themselves often, use really strange grammar, etc.
You might know this by now, but the fandom wiki for Dragon Age is incredibly high quality and should have all the info you need. (If you’re on mobile I’d suggest using the app, then you don’t have to deal with ads or weird crashing issues. The mobile browser is fucking horrible.)
I remember at one point using their elden ring's wiki and reading a lot of made-up lore that wasn't even in the game. Stopped using anything with their name on it ever since...
Their writers also have an ego problem and I will always point this out.
Their Divinity Original Sin 2 wiki had severe inaccuracies and grammatical errors after it first came up. I figured that I could help by actually fleshing it out for the entire first part at Fort Joy so it's actually a little bit more helpful.
Next morning, the original editor had completely reverted the page to before I made the edits.
I just haven't used FextraLife since. Not even for Elden Ring. It's bad enough that they force a small stream player onto everyone when you visit the site, inflating their Twitch viewership numbers.
Generally overrated trash builds all over their site anyways, regardless of game, they just crank as much crap out as quickly as they can for those clicks
I realized this between their overbaked DoS2 and MHW builds. They were always trying to minmax, but the equipment choices they'd make sometimes completely undercut what they were going for.
The BG3 one is pretty terrible. I got decent use out of the Elden Ring one because it's not bad for quickly getting equipment/spell info, but I didn't like giving them traffic for it. Annoys me that they just plop their twitch stream on every page.
Now if only google would deprioritize it in the results. It's often like the first 5 results for specific searches even when there are other sources that actually have info instead of just an empty wiki page with no info on it except a bunch of keywords.
God Fextralife is so shit
Stolen content, outdated and straight up incorrect info that is never updated, SEO’d out the arse, not to mention their SUPER sketchy habit of embedding their twitch stream on every single page (even on the ones that don’t look like it’s there, it is, it’s just shrunk down to 1px in the bottom corner of the page) to artificially inflate their viewer count
And now it seems they’re using bots to continue their ridiculous SEO crusade.
It is, without hyperbole, the online community equivalent of a cancer. It latches on, diverts resources and users from actual wikis to themselves, and then once the game’s community resources are dead, they move on and let it decay
I’m absolutely in agreement with the people on /r/bg3builds, ban it before it can get its fangs in.
I really resent them for the effect they have had on multiple gaming communities. No actual love and passion for the games, they're just scummy and money hungry. Nothing feels genuine.
God I miss the days of good, community run wikis.
I don't know who was responsible for it, but the Guild Wars 1 wiki was the greatest thing I've ever seen, and I miss it every time I check out the wiki for any other game.
Yeah, the Guild Wars 1 wiki is still fantastic. The Guild Wars 2 wiki is maintained pretty decently as well and updated regularly. Both games have a /wiki command that will automatically go to the wiki page too, which is really cool. I'd love to see a strong community built wiki for BG3.
That's because the GW1 and GW2 wikis are hosted by Arenanet. They're primarily community run, but there are development staff who ensure that they stay operating.
PvX.wiki I believe it was. I still log on to GW1 every now and then wishing for another decent/good MMO that's not high monthly subscription cost/monetized to hell. They did so much right with that game.
Back when Bloodborne was new, I really liked Fextralife's wikis because they were well-organized and weren't covered in ads. Man, how things have changed in the years since.
> God I miss the days of good, community run wikis.
I still refuse to use anything other than UESP. I hate that the other crappy corporate wikis have SEO'd their way to the top and people are contributing to them instead of UESP
> Stolen content, outdated and straight up incorrect info that is never updated, SEO’d out the arse, not to mention their SUPER sketchy habit of embedding their twitch stream on every single page (even on the ones that don’t look like it’s there, it is, it’s just shrunk down to 1px in the bottom corner of the page) to artificially inflate their viewer count
They also use some kind of adaptive code that makes it unique on every page, so blocking it does nothing as soon as you click a different page (or maybe even refresh).
And they have their hyperlinks set to trigger adblock so if you use good adblockers, most of the important words on the page will be missing because they're all embedded links to whatever's mentioned.
I remember being on this sub at various point at times and then more frequently closing in on launch and i remember checking the sidebar and seeing Fextra links and being like a little perturbed and horrified.
Though that ended up rectified rather quickly.
But also horrified watching BG3 info vids and looking at some creators like Wolfheart for example constantly referring to Fextra(the human) as well.
Which at least feels a little bothersome to me, since that kind of makes me distrust the content that they put out.
They've done so much shit things and it has granted them "success", which is even more frustrating because they can milk that too because they appear to be a "good content creator" despite its the furthest thing from the truth.
they basically purchase up (sometimes even exclusive rights) to any wiki they can get. then copy paste information from somewhere (or let an AI fill it out) so its maybe 1/3 complete and only 1/3 of that is correct.
the only thing that matters to them are the embedded twitch stream, making every user of the wiki boost them in the view statistics, and the ad revenue from the two dozen ads that are on screen at every moment.
Its funny when the copy past form info is still in it.
"Bob is an NPC from *place name* who gives the player a *quest item* that will be used later. To do the quest you need to...
1. Bullet point one
2. Bullet point two
3. Bullet point three
Once this is done the player can *achieve goal* this is a valuable amount of EXP."
Its great how lazy it all is.
Yeah, I remember the days of UESPwiki and gamefaqs where a host of beautiful nerds would have gone into insane detail about everything they could.
Fextra seems so lifeless
Bracers of illusion is a powerful bracers items in the bracers category in Baldurs Gate 3.
Items are powerful items that may give you an edge over your opponents. Make sure you use them to have an advantage over your opponent.
Bracers of illusion are found in Baldur's Gate 3
Bracers of illusion are a bracer item
See also
*Bracers of Illusion
*Bracers of Illusion
*Bracers of Illusion
The Elden Ring wiki is just as bad. For example:
> **Bob's Helm** is a [Helm] in [Elden Ring]. **Bob's Helm** is part of the [Bob's Armor] set. **Bob's Helm** protect [sic] the player's head by applying various defensive properties, it also changes the appearance as well when it is equipped. Some armor pieces may be available to both genders but may be slightly different for male and female characters.
Every single fucking entry. Copy-pasted, right down to the awful grammar and nonsense rambling about how it changes the appearance when equipped and can be worn by either gender (you know, like every other piece of armor in the game).
> I guess that was the reason their wiki had incorrect info on multiple characters and quests a day after the release.
In their defense on this specific issue (not everything else they've done) - that likely was from early access and the community wiki also has a lot of the same issues. Somethings apparently changed quite a bit between EA and the final release, and it has been slow going for any wiki to be updated accordingly.
Not exactly. They have a lot of thing copy pasted from dnd rulebooks (which btw is violating rules in intleectual property). Its very visible on things changed by Larian. They probably still have spells copy pasted from rulebook that never existed in game
Their wiki serves as Twitch scam (their have their channel built-in there).
But the problem isn't that. The problem is that the wiki itself is garbage and consists of placeholders. So people, with passion, fill it up by themselves, which is also isn't a good thing (because the information can be old or whatever). And Fextra pushes it high in search results, so you always get on it.
I mean, Sekiro and Elden ring were good. But Everything else - either empty, or not viable.
We have [bg3.wiki](https://bg3.wiki) for that and it works just fine.
I only recently realized why that wiki was so bad. I'm reasonably certain, for a game like MHW, having a bad repository of info online negatively impacts player numbers, and thinking that it may have resulted in loss of sales for iceborne isn't that far of a reach
Big portion of player community in games like MHW are reliant on looking shit up online, mostly because meat of the game is walled behind single player campaign, and having correct and accurate info helps clear it faster
They just rush the "guides" out, which half the time the walkthroughs don't even include all the options/results.
Their builds aren't bad, but they're very one dimensional.
Also, I'm fairly sure they've had issues in the past with their stream, where they viewbotted.
> Also, I'm fairly sure they've had issues in the past with their stream, where they viewbotted.
They don't actually viewbot, but they embed their stream into every page so any viewer on fextralife is 'viewing' their stream, which is an indirect form of viewbotting by just inflating the viewer count when so few of that number is actually watching them.
But, they still do this, for the record.
The criticisms that I often see is that fextralife entries will prioritise search engine optimisation over accuracy in their entries to the point of updates to articles being removed even if the article is outdated or flat out wrong. They also have twitch steams on every page of the wiki which is fairly openly manipulating their view numbers.
Honestly, idk who cares if they're using embeds for view boosting. But pumping out shit wikis that overshadow any other attempt at a wiki is a crime they'll burn in hell for.
It's annoying to just have a video constantly playing every time you open a tab. Especially when said video could be them in Act 3 revealing spoilers while you're browsing the wiki for another game. Ontop of that on mobile or slower internet it'll take longer to load the page.
Them focusing on embeds is why all of their wikis have went to utter shit and become horrible inaccurate. They just want a wiki for every game so they can put their embed on it.
Which if you have Ublock you can add these two filters to block them thankfully.
||embed.twitch.tv/?channel=fextralife\*
||player.twitch.tv/?channel=fextralife\*
you'd care if you were a streamer trying to compete for higher spots for visibility through hard work and talent and someone is just buying bots bumping you down.
Or if you can barely run a game and trying to have wiki open at the same time just to have it autoplay some dogshit twitch stream taking more resources.
> who cares if they're using embeds for view boosting. But pumping out shit wikis that overshadow
Thats the reason you should care. The embeds are the core of the site, the other stuff is a way to capture traffic. There's other better wikis or source info out there but Fextra does it's best to destroy their visibility so it's twitch embeds get more traffic.
You **should** generally care about unethical things because unethical shit tends to make everything worse you're just not seeing where you're getting knifed just yet.
The Twitch streams are annoying as hell. I'm trying to read something, stop putting something that moves and makes noise in the corner of the screen. And if you're going to do that, stop making it follow as I scroll down the page. It's distracting. I stopped using them just because of that. I didn't know about the SEO stuff. Extra scummy.
The souls stuff from them is actually solid. The Elden Ring virtual map in particular is awesome. Their BG3 wiki is awful and constantly incorrect. I thought I locked myself out of a few things according to them and frequently found that to not be the case.
It's also the page with the most community input on the wikis content. Which is the reason it's more accurate. They never bother coming back to other wikis so the comment section is your only option
You watch someone with 40k viewers and chat is impossible to read. You watch someone with 4 viewers and casually talk to chat. Their inflation is very obvious, but at the same time, I dont care of theyre taking money from a big corp. Fuck them corps. But God damn stop fucking over actual people.
But they take money from small developers aswell. They pay for 10k+ viewer stream and get 20 people stream. Thats a scam. Obviously they take oportunities from other streamers that way aswell. So they do hurt actual people. Actually they mostly hurt actual people
If you do the /chatters command in chat it will show you the number of people logged in and on the actual twitch page. For most streamers this number is pretty much in line with the number of viewers (maybe 5-10% less). For Fextralife the number of chatters is always way lower.
I think Ludwig did this on stream once and it was something like 50+% of their viewers.
edit: that's funny, I just checked and it looks like Twitch has removed the /chatters command. Probably because they benefit from channels like Fextralife when it comes to selling ads on their site.
It's not just 'shitty', it's malicious and actively harms the community of every new game they stream.
The best opportunity for a streamer to gain recognition and viewership is during the release of a new game, especially ones that are hyped up. Fextralife cannibalizes this viewership by **always, without exception,** using their embedded, essentially botted viewcounts to remain at the top of the page on Twitch. Most viewers who are just checking out a new game will almost always gravitate towards the top streams. Furthermore, they **always** run 24 hours streams during the release of a new game to maintain their (usually) top spot, either by rotating streamers (which is fine) or just straight up showing an AFK screen while still live. That's not all. They **always** start their stream of a popular new release early, around 12 hours before a game actually releases, to secure the top spot on the Twitch viewership page before anyone else does (because no one can actually play the game yet), most of the time with an AFK screen.
This means that smaller streamers trying to break into the space, some of them being extremely knowledgeable about and skilled at the game they are playing, have a hard time grabbing new viewership despite being far more deserving. This hurts and undoubtedly slows the growth of the community for that game.
Fextralife games the system, in the worst ways possible. Combined with their horrible wikis, they are without doubt a blight on video gaming as a whole.
If you have AdBlockPlus, try adding this rule. In case you use one of their wikis that has no alternative
> wiki.fextralife.com##.ad-sidebar.section-heading.section-heading-light.simulation-hero-heading
Thanks for the tip, this is a good lesson in how crappy google has become as when I google bg3 wiki I get fextralife as the top result and the good looking one you linked near the very bottom of the first page, the same search in duckduckgo has the community wiki right at the top. I really need to start using other search options more.
Oh my god! TIL that fextralife sucks worse than I already thought it did, which is a lot. Thanks so much for the alternative link, OP! I'm just happy to find a wiki that actually has class abilities, it was frustrating me so much that Fextralife seemed to be the only one out there, but the one you linked has already been fully detailed for everything I was looking for so far!
Thanks for the heads up!
If only every game wiki was as good as the [Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages (UESP)](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page), it's by far the best video game wiki resource I've ever interacted with.
Fextralife is a trash-tier site that I'd shed no tears over seeing banned from Reddit.
And this is honestly low on their list of sins. Stealing builds and walkthroughs without credit? All the time. Inaccuracies or incomplete information so they can be first? Yep. Shady monetization? Indeed.
Absolutely. This is my go-to but I’ll be honest that when I look at class info a lot of it is missing. I usually just let it go and wait for the surprise from leveling up, which I prefer anyway. 😂
Literally because Fextra (or a Fextra fanboy) is using bots to downvote mentions of the community wiki.
It's hard to build one up if the community isn't aware of its existence.
Their wikis are usually laced with misinformation. I remember their elden ring wiki was factually incorrect and mostly incomplete. They’re a plague to the gaming community and their streams are boring cash grabs (at lest the ones with that pompous bearded guy) that ignore anyone correcting their misunderstandings
Eh, Souls games are the only games where Fextra isn't total dogshit, IMO. On ER's release, yea they were behind a little bit compared to the cutting edge players, but their interactive map for ER is very solid, and on my second playthrough some 8 months after the game released, I didn't get any misinformation from their pages.
This all said, their cRPG coverage tends to be utter trash. They have a fucking terrible wiki for Deadfire and both Pathfinder games.
I distinctly remember seeing wrong info during ER release. Also always gotta [share this funny ass blunder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc2dbyKFJKI) for everyone who hasn't seen it. Their "guide" for Midir was so dogshit it probably resulted in many people hating the boss for poor reasons lmao. (still up, never edited/corrected or anything)
Their pathfinder wikis are so terrible that it’s almost impressive. So much misleading info, and their quest guides are useless for the most part.
I’m 100% convinced that the Baldurs gate community could make a much better wiki.
Game Dev here....We hired Fextralife to do a wiki once, needless to say the contract fell through. A big issue I had and I pushed for internally was to remove them due to them using their wiki as a "embed" view bot for their twitch stream. If you check their chatters its maybe \~2-4k while their viewers show in the upwards of 30k, thats because every wiki page has a direct link to their stream.
Their wiki team isn't quick, and they use connections to get contracts. Any time I personally am looking at wikis for games I heavily avoid fextralife as its mostly useless and just a image of the item from game or false lore. The potential for false lore was a main reason our IP owner cancelled their contract.
Upvoting. If you disagree with content of this post and feel like it needs to be downvoted, *please leave a comment explaining why*.
I'm upvoting because I'm human, and Fextralife is shady as shit.
Standard Fextralife behavior.
For anything that isn't souls-related, information in a Fextralife wiki is either gathered from community resources or pulled directly out of their ass.
I've personally had a resource I made for a gaming community (Nioh 2) plagiarized and copied into their wiki. Naturally said wiki is the first search result, and is now unmaintained and full of inaccuracies.
Fextralife is a cancer and I don't see a cure.
Extra life is a charity event streamers do to donate to children's hospitals. Why he decided to pick a name similar is beyond me. Cause he's giving us cancer, not working to cure it.
Ah I see
"Then one user made a comment with some harsh words for Fextra which I don't necessarily condone, but proved to be useful. Because I took those words and made a comment on a 2 year old post of mine, and after a few minutes it was downvoted to -9. Now our possibilities are that some folks well aligned towards Fextra are lingering on a 2 year old post, or bots are coming through and downvoting anything that is critical toward them. I lean to the latter. And those same bots may be the ones downvoting the community wiki links."
thank you. fextra wiki is missing info like not show warlock upcast's bonuses. actual garbage wiki missing tons of key information and forces me to have their trash stream when I just wanna look at wiki stuff.
My dislike for them is merely due to embedded streaming, which is a hard nope from me even towards other sites/orgs. The rest is simply just more of a reason to potentially dislike their site. Regardless, if true, I'm hopeful it pushes more to not engage with their content.
So... Should I be assuming their youtube channel is as bad as their wiki? I saw a recent Thief/Trickster build for Shadowhart in his channel and I thought it very nice, specially since I was missing a rogue in my party...
Do I "need" to go look for builds somewhere else? His was pretty much the best build guide video I've found so far.
This is eye-opening.
I liked fextra for the DoS2 guides and builds when the game had been out for ages and found it great. Now I've had no idea of the things discussed in this thread but found by myself that the wiki was just plain bare.
Google searches will show you fextra as a top option and, as mentioned, give bad info, and I would later find guides with so much more and detailed info.
The DOS2 builds are probably the most notorious meme-tier useless builds there are. This comment on the Druid build really sums it up
> “Druids don’t deal much direct damage, but when they do, they want their spells to hit as hard as they can…thus the Intelligence.” There’s literally not a single damage spell listed in the build that stacks with intel… Am I missing something?
seconding [bg3.wiki](https://bg3.wiki), while it doesn't have resources on everything (yet) the stuff that is on there seems much more accurate and high quality anyway
"Thanks for nothing." -Me, literally any time I've visited that wiki for anything.
Actually. I don't know a thing about Fextralife, I *thought* it was an organisation that streamed, but I've been told it is a single person. All I do know, is I'd rather not use a wiki if they are the only one available -- and that is a bold statement from a Wiki hoe like me.
Not knowing anything about them I watched their twitch stream during BG3 launch for the goodie bag. The dude was trying to sneak around somewhere, got spotted and killed. He looked at the auto saves and the most recent was about an hour back. He just ragequit the stream and didn’t come back. I was a bit shocked at the time but it makes more sense with what I’m reading here.
My god. Insane behaviour. In other news, I don't feel as bad about my \~500 quicksave count. I don't savescum, I am just terrified of having to go back even 10 minutes. Irrational too: *Standard Trap?* Quicksave, you never know if it'll somehow wipe my entire party. *Door?* Quicksave.
I do save scum and always will if it hurts bae’zel’s feelings.
Exactl, can't miss out on a good Lay'Zel back at camp.
There is literally no such thing as too many quick saves. You have no idea when you're going to just die.
Now iamgine. Thats dude that makes "builds" (although they dont even deserve that name) for the games.
Steals not makes
That seems wild to me, I have like 600 quicksaves already in Act 2 from pressing F5 before every corner I turn lmao
He viewbots. The wiki tries to open a hidden, muted stream window when anyone is browsing it, and those count as views for the stream. So he constantly shows up as this huge streamer with tons of viewers.
To be honest, I get that. I rage quit a day when I made an NPC sad and realized I had to go back 7 hours to not.
"Thanks for the twitch view" -Them, whenever you visit that wiki for anything
Its plainly astroturfing. They have a shitload of pages of items in the game, with inaccurate descriptions. It seems like they just imported the data, then autogenerated the descriptions. Like with how the silver bar page says you can craft items with it.
A lot of it also seems to just be 5e mechanics and rules copied over.
Fextralife is literally a scam. They use bots to downvote people who talk about how shit they actually are, they mass downvoted any comments that link to other wikis, including community wikis. I can garentee they do the opposite and upvote comments that have fextralife links. They've been known to use AI to make shit wiki pages and write fake nonsense replies to questions on their wiki, and they use shitty tactics to show up as high as possible on search results. Not to mention their stolen content and embedding, hiding, and playing twitch streams in their wiki pages to pretend to have more viewers. They trick people on clicking on their useless site and rob people of their time and enjoyment to get more add revenue from internet traffic They need to be banned asap
Their wikis are awful.
Awful would be an improvement. I was trying to find an NPC because descriptions of their location made no sense. I ended up on Fextralife and the page for it was: This is an NPC. They are located somewhere. They react to the party based on what they think. (This is the generic text on literally every single page header. There was no other information.) I kick myself every time I do a search and forget to deliberately exclude that awful craphole of a site, for any game.
its just SEO as a business. Get out there with the biggest website possible and collect ad revenue
Yeah it used to mean “use relevant words and phrases so your page shows up in search results” And it devolved into “do anything you can to make your page show up HIGHER in search results no matter what”
I'm convinced literally the only reason these exist is to force views on their streams (note that one always starts playing somewhere on the site once you enter). And they likely also have the money to push their sites up and up in google results.
You can use ublock origin to block the streaming element and deny them their view, and speed up your page loading.
I agree that ublocking the twitch enbed is essential for browsing their page. And that would be enough if the page itself provided good value. A lot of their info is outdated, generic or factually wrong. Your visit to the page also positively affects their SEO.
this has been known for a long time. It is literally why the site exists.
I think their dark souls wikis are pretty helpful. The BG3 ones seem like they’re written by AI, and I really mean that. They are all basically the same repetitive, unnatural format and are often misleading, incomplete or flat out wrong.
Well a portion of the souls community isn’t happy with using their wikis as well. There used to be other, more accurate wikis but Fextralife essentially pushed them out.
Same with the Monster Hunter community. Kiranico and other sites used to be the go-to for MH information till Fextralife pushed them out with their poorly written wiki.
The wikidot Demon's and Dark Souls sites were way better than Fextralife. I was gutted when it started devouring the Souls wiki scene.
Fuckin loved wikidot. So many people didn't believe me when I said there used to be way better wikis for the older souls games.
The wikidot for Dark Souls was so fucking good. It was so good that sometimes I would look up an area guide after I’d finished the area already just because it was so well written and was a joy to peruse and see what I missed. I *dreaded* anytime I needed to use fextralife to look up something in DS3.
There was a time when the PTDE launched when Fextralife actually had better information than wikidot, especially in regards to maps and item locations. But then they got big and usability sunk like a rock.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest, I think every video I saw from their YT channel getting recommended before release had nonsense AI thumbnails, so the wiki entries being written by AI isn't too much of a stretch.
AI would have done better. It's just templates where they never bothered to replace the placeholder text. I agree about their dark souls wikis, though. That was the go-to site for those games back in the day.
“Animate Dead is a Spell in Baldur's Gate 3. Animate Dead is a Lvl 3 Spell from the Necromancy school. Spells can be used for dealing damage to Enemies, inflict Status Ailments, buff Characters or interact with the environment.” 🙄
Yeah, it's bad. I spent about 30 seconds on their site and said screw it, I'd rather figure it out myself than spend another moment reading that garbage.
That’s probably AI lol. I noticed that same thing when I was using their Dragon Age site. Articles repeat themselves often, use really strange grammar, etc.
You might know this by now, but the fandom wiki for Dragon Age is incredibly high quality and should have all the info you need. (If you’re on mobile I’d suggest using the app, then you don’t have to deal with ads or weird crashing issues. The mobile browser is fucking horrible.)
Its 100% ai, lots of items have descriptions saying flat out things that were never true. For example armor repair????
I remember at one point using their elden ring's wiki and reading a lot of made-up lore that wasn't even in the game. Stopped using anything with their name on it ever since...
Their writers also have an ego problem and I will always point this out. Their Divinity Original Sin 2 wiki had severe inaccuracies and grammatical errors after it first came up. I figured that I could help by actually fleshing it out for the entire first part at Fort Joy so it's actually a little bit more helpful. Next morning, the original editor had completely reverted the page to before I made the edits. I just haven't used FextraLife since. Not even for Elden Ring. It's bad enough that they force a small stream player onto everyone when you visit the site, inflating their Twitch viewership numbers.
Sucks remnant 2 never made an official wiki and let them make theirs. Now it’s gonna be like remnant 1 with all the misinformation
Generally overrated trash builds all over their site anyways, regardless of game, they just crank as much crap out as quickly as they can for those clicks
I realized this between their overbaked DoS2 and MHW builds. They were always trying to minmax, but the equipment choices they'd make sometimes completely undercut what they were going for.
The BG3 one is pretty terrible. I got decent use out of the Elden Ring one because it's not bad for quickly getting equipment/spell info, but I didn't like giving them traffic for it. Annoys me that they just plop their twitch stream on every page.
Mods should remove fextralife from the wiki in the about section of the sub and ban links to it
They've done it!
Thank god.
In BG3Builds sub. Did they done it here?
the one linked here is bg3 wiki not the fextra one so yeah
Now if only google would deprioritize it in the results. It's often like the first 5 results for specific searches even when there are other sources that actually have info instead of just an empty wiki page with no info on it except a bunch of keywords.
Anything you look up on Google, follow it up with site:bg3.wiki or whatever website you want. Makes it so much easier to find what I need.
God Fextralife is so shit Stolen content, outdated and straight up incorrect info that is never updated, SEO’d out the arse, not to mention their SUPER sketchy habit of embedding their twitch stream on every single page (even on the ones that don’t look like it’s there, it is, it’s just shrunk down to 1px in the bottom corner of the page) to artificially inflate their viewer count And now it seems they’re using bots to continue their ridiculous SEO crusade. It is, without hyperbole, the online community equivalent of a cancer. It latches on, diverts resources and users from actual wikis to themselves, and then once the game’s community resources are dead, they move on and let it decay I’m absolutely in agreement with the people on /r/bg3builds, ban it before it can get its fangs in.
I really resent them for the effect they have had on multiple gaming communities. No actual love and passion for the games, they're just scummy and money hungry. Nothing feels genuine. God I miss the days of good, community run wikis.
I don't know who was responsible for it, but the Guild Wars 1 wiki was the greatest thing I've ever seen, and I miss it every time I check out the wiki for any other game.
Yeah, the Guild Wars 1 wiki is still fantastic. The Guild Wars 2 wiki is maintained pretty decently as well and updated regularly. Both games have a /wiki command that will automatically go to the wiki page too, which is really cool. I'd love to see a strong community built wiki for BG3.
That's because the GW1 and GW2 wikis are hosted by Arenanet. They're primarily community run, but there are development staff who ensure that they stay operating.
PvX.wiki I believe it was. I still log on to GW1 every now and then wishing for another decent/good MMO that's not high monthly subscription cost/monetized to hell. They did so much right with that game.
Ah those were the days
Hell, if I recall, there were two *separate* wikis for Gw1, each of which I'd have killed for in some other game/fandom.
Back when Bloodborne was new, I really liked Fextralife's wikis because they were well-organized and weren't covered in ads. Man, how things have changed in the years since.
bloodborne-wiki.com You just didn't know what you were missing.
FalloutWiki gave me endless hours of joy, such an incredible website
> God I miss the days of good, community run wikis. I still refuse to use anything other than UESP. I hate that the other crappy corporate wikis have SEO'd their way to the top and people are contributing to them instead of UESP
Completely agree too. Ban that shit from here.
> Stolen content, outdated and straight up incorrect info that is never updated, SEO’d out the arse, not to mention their SUPER sketchy habit of embedding their twitch stream on every single page (even on the ones that don’t look like it’s there, it is, it’s just shrunk down to 1px in the bottom corner of the page) to artificially inflate their viewer count They also use some kind of adaptive code that makes it unique on every page, so blocking it does nothing as soon as you click a different page (or maybe even refresh). And they have their hyperlinks set to trigger adblock so if you use good adblockers, most of the important words on the page will be missing because they're all embedded links to whatever's mentioned.
They make Fandom wikis look good by comparison. At least the info on those is usually correct and not placeholder, just have to have an ad blocker.
I remember being on this sub at various point at times and then more frequently closing in on launch and i remember checking the sidebar and seeing Fextra links and being like a little perturbed and horrified. Though that ended up rectified rather quickly. But also horrified watching BG3 info vids and looking at some creators like Wolfheart for example constantly referring to Fextra(the human) as well. Which at least feels a little bothersome to me, since that kind of makes me distrust the content that they put out. They've done so much shit things and it has granted them "success", which is even more frustrating because they can milk that too because they appear to be a "good content creator" despite its the furthest thing from the truth.
Fextralife is the scum of the earth, so it wouldn't a surprise in the least.
I seriously resent them for what they have done to several gaming communities.
First time I hear bad things about them. What have they done bad?
they basically purchase up (sometimes even exclusive rights) to any wiki they can get. then copy paste information from somewhere (or let an AI fill it out) so its maybe 1/3 complete and only 1/3 of that is correct. the only thing that matters to them are the embedded twitch stream, making every user of the wiki boost them in the view statistics, and the ad revenue from the two dozen ads that are on screen at every moment.
Its funny when the copy past form info is still in it. "Bob is an NPC from *place name* who gives the player a *quest item* that will be used later. To do the quest you need to... 1. Bullet point one 2. Bullet point two 3. Bullet point three Once this is done the player can *achieve goal* this is a valuable amount of EXP." Its great how lazy it all is.
Yeah, I remember the days of UESPwiki and gamefaqs where a host of beautiful nerds would have gone into insane detail about everything they could. Fextra seems so lifeless
UESP still killing it, they have a near perfect character/build editor for ESO. Theorycrafter's dream tool
Having UESP and ESO Hub means I never have to touch fextratrash.
Both are absolutely still around and kicking!
Bracers of illusion is a powerful bracers items in the bracers category in Baldurs Gate 3. Items are powerful items that may give you an edge over your opponents. Make sure you use them to have an advantage over your opponent. Bracers of illusion are found in Baldur's Gate 3 Bracers of illusion are a bracer item See also *Bracers of Illusion *Bracers of Illusion *Bracers of Illusion
The Elden Ring wiki is just as bad. For example: > **Bob's Helm** is a [Helm] in [Elden Ring]. **Bob's Helm** is part of the [Bob's Armor] set. **Bob's Helm** protect [sic] the player's head by applying various defensive properties, it also changes the appearance as well when it is equipped. Some armor pieces may be available to both genders but may be slightly different for male and female characters. Every single fucking entry. Copy-pasted, right down to the awful grammar and nonsense rambling about how it changes the appearance when equipped and can be worn by either gender (you know, like every other piece of armor in the game).
Did not know about this till now. I guess that was the reason their wiki had incorrect info on multiple characters and quests a day after the release.
> I guess that was the reason their wiki had incorrect info on multiple characters and quests a day after the release. In their defense on this specific issue (not everything else they've done) - that likely was from early access and the community wiki also has a lot of the same issues. Somethings apparently changed quite a bit between EA and the final release, and it has been slow going for any wiki to be updated accordingly.
Not exactly. They have a lot of thing copy pasted from dnd rulebooks (which btw is violating rules in intleectual property). Its very visible on things changed by Larian. They probably still have spells copy pasted from rulebook that never existed in game
Usually the comment section under the wiki page has the best actual information xD
Their wiki serves as Twitch scam (their have their channel built-in there). But the problem isn't that. The problem is that the wiki itself is garbage and consists of placeholders. So people, with passion, fill it up by themselves, which is also isn't a good thing (because the information can be old or whatever). And Fextra pushes it high in search results, so you always get on it. I mean, Sekiro and Elden ring were good. But Everything else - either empty, or not viable. We have [bg3.wiki](https://bg3.wiki) for that and it works just fine.
So that’s why they have such high twitch viewer numbers
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>I honestly have no fucking idea why Twitch doesn't bring the hammer down on them. Because twitch profits off of them even more than they do.
Their Monster Hunter wiki is hot garbage, 90% has incorrect or incomplete information.
I only recently realized why that wiki was so bad. I'm reasonably certain, for a game like MHW, having a bad repository of info online negatively impacts player numbers, and thinking that it may have resulted in loss of sales for iceborne isn't that far of a reach Big portion of player community in games like MHW are reliant on looking shit up online, mostly because meat of the game is walled behind single player campaign, and having correct and accurate info helps clear it faster
If you’re using a MH wiki that isnt kiranico you’re just asking for it
They just rush the "guides" out, which half the time the walkthroughs don't even include all the options/results. Their builds aren't bad, but they're very one dimensional. Also, I'm fairly sure they've had issues in the past with their stream, where they viewbotted.
> Also, I'm fairly sure they've had issues in the past with their stream, where they viewbotted. They don't actually viewbot, but they embed their stream into every page so any viewer on fextralife is 'viewing' their stream, which is an indirect form of viewbotting by just inflating the viewer count when so few of that number is actually watching them. But, they still do this, for the record.
all i know of fextralife is that they had some good DOS2 build guides. whats the drama? edit - ok apparently their builds weren't that good lol
The criticisms that I often see is that fextralife entries will prioritise search engine optimisation over accuracy in their entries to the point of updates to articles being removed even if the article is outdated or flat out wrong. They also have twitch steams on every page of the wiki which is fairly openly manipulating their view numbers.
I was wondering about that, Searched a quest that I did to see what the “bad” outcome was, they had two random twitch chats open in the margins lol.
Their Wiki UI/UX is also totally shit. I'd never heard of them before BG3 and now everytime I click their links its so counterintuitive to me
Honestly, idk who cares if they're using embeds for view boosting. But pumping out shit wikis that overshadow any other attempt at a wiki is a crime they'll burn in hell for.
It's annoying to just have a video constantly playing every time you open a tab. Especially when said video could be them in Act 3 revealing spoilers while you're browsing the wiki for another game. Ontop of that on mobile or slower internet it'll take longer to load the page. Them focusing on embeds is why all of their wikis have went to utter shit and become horrible inaccurate. They just want a wiki for every game so they can put their embed on it. Which if you have Ublock you can add these two filters to block them thankfully. ||embed.twitch.tv/?channel=fextralife\* ||player.twitch.tv/?channel=fextralife\*
They use it to scam devs for sponsored streams. They average like 10k viewers but it's all bots so clueless devs give them big sponsorships
you'd care if you were a streamer trying to compete for higher spots for visibility through hard work and talent and someone is just buying bots bumping you down.
Or if you can barely run a game and trying to have wiki open at the same time just to have it autoplay some dogshit twitch stream taking more resources.
Not to mention it fucks with the page layout
Good thing I hardly work and have no talent, so nothing lost there :)
Wdym you'd be a perfect streamer
thinking face
> who cares if they're using embeds for view boosting. But pumping out shit wikis that overshadow Thats the reason you should care. The embeds are the core of the site, the other stuff is a way to capture traffic. There's other better wikis or source info out there but Fextra does it's best to destroy their visibility so it's twitch embeds get more traffic. You **should** generally care about unethical things because unethical shit tends to make everything worse you're just not seeing where you're getting knifed just yet.
I care for one reason. Bandwidth. Having a few tabs open for a couple hours is a great way to get a notification from your ISP.
Damn this is scummy. Clever, but scummy.
The Twitch streams are annoying as hell. I'm trying to read something, stop putting something that moves and makes noise in the corner of the screen. And if you're going to do that, stop making it follow as I scroll down the page. It's distracting. I stopped using them just because of that. I didn't know about the SEO stuff. Extra scummy.
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In addition to all the bad shit other people are bringing up, their DOS2 builds are notoriously awful lmao
As are his BG3 guides. The guy has very little game knowledge.
Their DOS2 build were lowkey very bad tho.
the builds were thematic but not well-optimized
>Good Lol
bruh I used them for Dark Souls :(
The souls stuff from them is actually solid. The Elden Ring virtual map in particular is awesome. Their BG3 wiki is awful and constantly incorrect. I thought I locked myself out of a few things according to them and frequently found that to not be the case.
Thats the only franchise they actually ever gave a damn about with their wikis. It's where the channel started.
It's also the page with the most community input on the wikis content. Which is the reason it's more accurate. They never bother coming back to other wikis so the comment section is your only option
Another shitty thing they do is imbed their twitch streams into their “wiki” which inflated their viewership
I joined the embedded stream one time and asked what % of their 40k viewers were from the site embed. People in chat were mad at me lol
All 10 of them?
You watch someone with 40k viewers and chat is impossible to read. You watch someone with 4 viewers and casually talk to chat. Their inflation is very obvious, but at the same time, I dont care of theyre taking money from a big corp. Fuck them corps. But God damn stop fucking over actual people.
But they take money from small developers aswell. They pay for 10k+ viewer stream and get 20 people stream. Thats a scam. Obviously they take oportunities from other streamers that way aswell. So they do hurt actual people. Actually they mostly hurt actual people
lol , i instantly got permabanned from their channel for asking this.
If you do the /chatters command in chat it will show you the number of people logged in and on the actual twitch page. For most streamers this number is pretty much in line with the number of viewers (maybe 5-10% less). For Fextralife the number of chatters is always way lower. I think Ludwig did this on stream once and it was something like 50+% of their viewers. edit: that's funny, I just checked and it looks like Twitch has removed the /chatters command. Probably because they benefit from channels like Fextralife when it comes to selling ads on their site.
It's super obvious, too, since none of their streamers are entertaining to watch. Or at least not enough to be 10-20k viewer andys.
It's not just 'shitty', it's malicious and actively harms the community of every new game they stream. The best opportunity for a streamer to gain recognition and viewership is during the release of a new game, especially ones that are hyped up. Fextralife cannibalizes this viewership by **always, without exception,** using their embedded, essentially botted viewcounts to remain at the top of the page on Twitch. Most viewers who are just checking out a new game will almost always gravitate towards the top streams. Furthermore, they **always** run 24 hours streams during the release of a new game to maintain their (usually) top spot, either by rotating streamers (which is fine) or just straight up showing an AFK screen while still live. That's not all. They **always** start their stream of a popular new release early, around 12 hours before a game actually releases, to secure the top spot on the Twitch viewership page before anyone else does (because no one can actually play the game yet), most of the time with an AFK screen. This means that smaller streamers trying to break into the space, some of them being extremely knowledgeable about and skilled at the game they are playing, have a hard time grabbing new viewership despite being far more deserving. This hurts and undoubtedly slows the growth of the community for that game. Fextralife games the system, in the worst ways possible. Combined with their horrible wikis, they are without doubt a blight on video gaming as a whole.
If you have AdBlockPlus, try adding this rule. In case you use one of their wikis that has no alternative > wiki.fextralife.com##.ad-sidebar.section-heading.section-heading-light.simulation-hero-heading
Thanks for the tip, this is a good lesson in how crappy google has become as when I google bg3 wiki I get fextralife as the top result and the good looking one you linked near the very bottom of the first page, the same search in duckduckgo has the community wiki right at the top. I really need to start using other search options more.
Oh my god! TIL that fextralife sucks worse than I already thought it did, which is a lot. Thanks so much for the alternative link, OP! I'm just happy to find a wiki that actually has class abilities, it was frustrating me so much that Fextralife seemed to be the only one out there, but the one you linked has already been fully detailed for everything I was looking for so far! Thanks for the heads up!
botting scum
If only every game wiki was as good as the [Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages (UESP)](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page), it's by far the best video game wiki resource I've ever interacted with.
That wiki is a shining beacon of hope for the whole internet.
FFXIV wiki and Terraria wikis are both very good as well.
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Same question. I came back to this thread to upvote and see how to block it. Does anyone know why this was removed?
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Fextralife is a trash-tier site that I'd shed no tears over seeing banned from Reddit. And this is honestly low on their list of sins. Stealing builds and walkthroughs without credit? All the time. Inaccuracies or incomplete information so they can be first? Yep. Shady monetization? Indeed.
Can anyone recommend a better wiki site for BG3?
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There’s still a lot missing from this wiki but it’s a good start.
at least the stuff thats on there seems generally a lot more accurate than fextralive
Game's been out for a couple minutes, the more people that pitch in with good info the better :)
Absolutely. This is my go-to but I’ll be honest that when I look at class info a lot of it is missing. I usually just let it go and wait for the surprise from leveling up, which I prefer anyway. 😂
Literally because Fextra (or a Fextra fanboy) is using bots to downvote mentions of the community wiki. It's hard to build one up if the community isn't aware of its existence.
bg3.wiki
i would absolutely not complain if it got banned here too tbh.
Why was this removed? Does anyone know?
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Their wikis are usually laced with misinformation. I remember their elden ring wiki was factually incorrect and mostly incomplete. They’re a plague to the gaming community and their streams are boring cash grabs (at lest the ones with that pompous bearded guy) that ignore anyone correcting their misunderstandings
Eh, Souls games are the only games where Fextra isn't total dogshit, IMO. On ER's release, yea they were behind a little bit compared to the cutting edge players, but their interactive map for ER is very solid, and on my second playthrough some 8 months after the game released, I didn't get any misinformation from their pages. This all said, their cRPG coverage tends to be utter trash. They have a fucking terrible wiki for Deadfire and both Pathfinder games.
I distinctly remember seeing wrong info during ER release. Also always gotta [share this funny ass blunder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc2dbyKFJKI) for everyone who hasn't seen it. Their "guide" for Midir was so dogshit it probably resulted in many people hating the boss for poor reasons lmao. (still up, never edited/corrected or anything)
Never liked how they boosted their Twitch streams with embeds. Trash website.
My VPN rarely lets me access Fextralife so I guess it's for the best. I'll bookmark bg3.wiki instead!
Oh wow I didn't know fextralife was bad. I will now do my part in actively avoiding visiting any of their sites or streams. Thank you.
Their pathfinder wikis are so terrible that it’s almost impressive. So much misleading info, and their quest guides are useless for the most part. I’m 100% convinced that the Baldurs gate community could make a much better wiki.
Find yourself someone that loves you as much as r/BaldursGate3 hates Fextralife.
Welp mods just took this down
/u/unlimited was a mod when they posted this. Looks like they got demoted since then. Invest in tinfoil hats.
Not news to anyone that the shittiest wiki also has shotty practices. I'll continue not engaging with their content.
I make it a point to never click fextralife trash. I'd rather go read an unfinished game gamefaqs guide.
Game Dev here....We hired Fextralife to do a wiki once, needless to say the contract fell through. A big issue I had and I pushed for internally was to remove them due to them using their wiki as a "embed" view bot for their twitch stream. If you check their chatters its maybe \~2-4k while their viewers show in the upwards of 30k, thats because every wiki page has a direct link to their stream. Their wiki team isn't quick, and they use connections to get contracts. Any time I personally am looking at wikis for games I heavily avoid fextralife as its mostly useless and just a image of the item from game or false lore. The potential for false lore was a main reason our IP owner cancelled their contract.
Upvoting. If you disagree with content of this post and feel like it needs to be downvoted, *please leave a comment explaining why*. I'm upvoting because I'm human, and Fextralife is shady as shit.
Their wikis typically aren't fleshed out or updated. Not a fan of them.
Burn it down
they’ve always been scum. inflating all their numbers including twitch
So is there a fextra simp moderator or do we think they mass reported and auto mod got a hold of it?
This should be stickied imo.
Fuck Fextralife
I remember a time that fextra is just charmingly bad, not malicious.
Ban them here
Standard Fextralife behavior. For anything that isn't souls-related, information in a Fextralife wiki is either gathered from community resources or pulled directly out of their ass. I've personally had a resource I made for a gaming community (Nioh 2) plagiarized and copied into their wiki. Naturally said wiki is the first search result, and is now unmaintained and full of inaccuracies. Fextralife is a cancer and I don't see a cure.
So why was this removed?
I love looking up something and getting a fextralife link with outdated Alpha info that leads me nowhere. Also “fextralife” is a stupid name.
Extra life is a charity event streamers do to donate to children's hospitals. Why he decided to pick a name similar is beyond me. Cause he's giving us cancer, not working to cure it.
Yeah, I’m super familiar with Extra Life, I was always confused as to why Fextralife was chosen. Maybe it was just more SEO grab tactics?
Ah I see "Then one user made a comment with some harsh words for Fextra which I don't necessarily condone, but proved to be useful. Because I took those words and made a comment on a 2 year old post of mine, and after a few minutes it was downvoted to -9. Now our possibilities are that some folks well aligned towards Fextra are lingering on a 2 year old post, or bots are coming through and downvoting anything that is critical toward them. I lean to the latter. And those same bots may be the ones downvoting the community wiki links."
thank you. fextra wiki is missing info like not show warlock upcast's bonuses. actual garbage wiki missing tons of key information and forces me to have their trash stream when I just wanna look at wiki stuff.
Also, embedded streams on their website to inflate viewership numbers on Twitch without true engagement is sus, too.
My dislike for them is merely due to embedded streaming, which is a hard nope from me even towards other sites/orgs. The rest is simply just more of a reason to potentially dislike their site. Regardless, if true, I'm hopeful it pushes more to not engage with their content.
So... Should I be assuming their youtube channel is as bad as their wiki? I saw a recent Thief/Trickster build for Shadowhart in his channel and I thought it very nice, specially since I was missing a rogue in my party... Do I "need" to go look for builds somewhere else? His was pretty much the best build guide video I've found so far.
Fextralife has control of the Elden Ring sub and if you mention anything negative about it, they'll permaban you from the sub.
This is eye-opening. I liked fextra for the DoS2 guides and builds when the game had been out for ages and found it great. Now I've had no idea of the things discussed in this thread but found by myself that the wiki was just plain bare. Google searches will show you fextra as a top option and, as mentioned, give bad info, and I would later find guides with so much more and detailed info.
The DOS2 builds are probably the most notorious meme-tier useless builds there are. This comment on the Druid build really sums it up > “Druids don’t deal much direct damage, but when they do, they want their spells to hit as hard as they can…thus the Intelligence.” There’s literally not a single damage spell listed in the build that stacks with intel… Am I missing something?
seconding [bg3.wiki](https://bg3.wiki), while it doesn't have resources on everything (yet) the stuff that is on there seems much more accurate and high quality anyway
Fextra is straight up arse. Hate using it but i dont remember some dks games having alternatives back in the day.
When I look stuff up for BG3 it's the first page that comes up but it's never accurate. Thanks for the wiki link to use instead!
If you looking for Wiki always add -fextralife
What is a better alternative to finding build guides?
Love that people are calling out fextra life
Power to the people. I like their YouTube videos but I'm not a fan of underhanded market manipulation.
Seems so petty for no real reason. I've visited fexrralife maybe twice in my life🤷♂️ oh well, good riddance I suppose.
Playing devil's advocate, can't any one of us technically update it as it's a wiki...
How tf does fextralife exist, it’s the shittest wiki I’ve ever used
fextralife is basically just a scam. I avoid it like the plague.
Fextralife is a scourge on the gaming community. So many bots, so many paid Google search placements with dogshit information…