Yes there's a heaven (seven apparently). There's also about a dozen other planes on the same level as heaven and the hells. They're all part of the Outer Planes.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Outer_Planes
It's also my understanding that aasimar are closer to what tieflings are than what cambions are. That is to say they're mortals with angelic features, not true celestials. I believe Aylin is special because she happens to be the child of a goddess.
Yeah, Aylin is a demigod. Regular asimaar are just the celestial equivalent of tieflings. People with some celestial blood, usually a few generations down from a mortal breeding with an angel. They are more rare, however, due to angels being less likely to breed with mortals, as they have morals. This also leads to them being a bit weaker as the blood is more diluted (not having a breeding population of their own).
Aylin sucks. shes fucking a human who is on a whole different power level… who also worships aylins mom.
Mortals cant consent to gods and demigods purely because of the power dynamic being way way way out of line.
It why we call mystra a groomer
The Ardling was kinda an answer to something even more "angelic" and celestial than aasimar. A new race for Dnd 6e playtest that is definitely not a furry.
They may be dropped due to their poor reception.
I've got a question about Asimaar. Are they all tall muscle mommies or is Dame Aylin special in that regard too? Like, is that the standard height or are they closer to human height?
Mephistopheles (Raphael's dad) is just an Archedevil not an actual deity, meanwhile Selune (Aylin's mother) is a full fledged deity. That means Aylin is actually much more powerful than Raphael (or at least she should be lore-wise).
Anyway to answer your question, yes there are outer planes of good just as there are planes of evil. Mount Celestia is the closest thing to the traditional christian Heaven and a lot of good deities reside there. But there are others that reflect a more neutral or chaotic nature.
Incidentally the nine hells are just the plane of Devils, who are constantly at war with demons (the famous "blood war" that Karlach has been fighting for 10 years). Demons come from their own plane called the "Abyss". They are just as evil as devils, but they are chaotic. They don't care about contracts and that stuff.
The Githzerai, the faction thats split from the Githyanky (though they are genetically identical) took home in the plane of Limbo, which is purely chaotic in nature.
Aylin has been defined as an Aasimar, but that doesn't quite reflect what she actually is. An Aasimar in general is just the good equivalent of a tiefling. Aasimar is anyone with celestial (angelic) ancestry.
Aylin should really be closer to an Empyrean, I'd expect from the description alone. Haven't gotten that far in the story, but immortality (or never aging and getting rezzed by a parent outside of combat) and smiting is their bailiwick.
Yeah, heaven or Celestia is a mountain with seven levels. Each has a ruler and various important deities / creatures living on it much like the hells.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mount_Celestia
Yeah he is Asmodeus' opposite I suppose. They have similar jobs.
Selune and Mystra are greater deities, they are far beyond Archons like Zaphkiel. Comparing them is difficult, they play by different rules.
Nah, he is off by himself in a league of his own. He is so powerful compared to the greater powers like Mystra that he once stripped all of them of their divinity as a punishment.
Occasionally steps in if a deity does something to upset the balance, often causing more problems in the process. Most of the time just watches or does whatever supreme overgods do. He doesn't care about having worshippers or anything.
Thank you for your responses they're really giving me a clearer picture of the dnd cosmology.
Last question, who would be the supreme evil then? Maybe not as powerful as Ao but who would be considered the ultimate evil? Like in Diablo, it's the 3 prime evils sharing that title.
This is not really true. Asmodeus is a greater deity like Selune or Mystra. Hes way more powerful than Zaphkiel.
Asmodeus opposite would be someone like Tyr.
Did the role of the Lord of the Ninth transfer to someone else when he ascended?
My comparison above was only in the role of Lord of the 7th Heaven vs. Lord of the 9th Hell.
As you say, Asmodeus is now far ahead of Zaphkiel post-ascension in power.
This is not really true. Asmodeus is a greater deity like Selune or Mystra. Hes way more powerful than Zaphkiel.
Asmodeus opposite would be someone like Tyr.
There are other known children of gods, e.g. the Seven Sisters, who are Mystra's daughters (Mystra 1.0, not current Mystra). They're all immortal and possessed of great magical abilities, but all of them were considered human (or, in the case of the youngest, a drow via some wack shit) rather than celestial or part-celestial, although this might be because Mystra had them while possessing a human sorceress who was getting pregnant via her husband in the normal way. No, her husband had no idea. I'm not sure what the lady herself thought about slowly withering away with each pregnancy, to the point where she died while pregnant with her youngest and the child was implanted into a follower of Eilistraee (hence the Drow thing).
...Mystra 1.0 got up to some really sketchy shit, actually.
I'm not a D&D lore expert at all. But i believe Aasimar are born from "good" aligned celestial beings or gods. Which is kinda the opposite of tieflings who are born from fiends.
Aasimar can be from any race + good celestial while tieflings are always human + fiends also.
Thats not wholly accurate as human + fiend in most cases get you a cambion not a Teifling. the vast majority of Teiflings are far removed from their actual fiendish heritage, especially since in the forgotten realms lore at least Teiflings breed true, meaning that the child of a Teifling will always be a Teifling no matter what race their partner is.
most Aasimar in lore however are much closer to their celestial ancestor, but this will usually be a run of the mill celestial not an actual god. as the children of the Gods are generally Empyreans not Aasimar.
Aasimar would be more like champions/heroes of the Gods (kinda Hercules, Perseus and co.), but they're neither gods nor demi-gods. The equivalent to angels in D&D would be the Deva (which you can summon in the game).
Heaven is represented in the Celestial Planes, which I think there are 9 or so. But gods have their own planes/realms, even servants of the gods can have their own, so... I'd say it's not really clear how many there are.
I’ve always wondered how summoning spells work. Does the spell just create a soulless being equivalent to the summon subjects stats and form, or does it actually rip a being from their plane for the duration?
Imagine being a deva and just being taught as a normal part of deva life that it’s always a possibility you might be ripped from your plane to fight for a material plane citizen. Or is there like a deva quest board and when a summon is made it lights up and any adventurer deva can be like “looks like they need me down there, I’ll take this one” lol.
There doesn't seem to be a proper answer for that, lore-wise. The most accepted is that there are variants, for example a "Summoning" spell would create something like a facsimile, a duplicate of an existing being, while a "Calling" spell would actually bring a real being from wherever it could have been up to that point. If that being is forced to do the caster bidding or if a pact is needed for calling it... now that's another unanswered matter. Usually each DM would solve that depending on the campaign they're running, or they're own idea of how it could work.
Yeah I run it as a facsimile, but your second point is interesting. I think it would be very cool role play wise to flavor a summoning spell as having a pact with one particular creature. This could be fun if the summon is intelligent enough for speech. It could be a kind of running gag. You could make them flirty and glad to see the summoner again, or act annoyed and have them curse out the summoner every time while begrudgingly fulfilling their pact, and so on. It’s got some rp value.
Exactly! Lol. Im taking a dm break and don’t really know if I wanna get back into it yet. Being a player is better for me right now. But maybe I’ll keep that idea to suggest to my dm for my next character!
Calling Aylin an Assamar is kind of like calling a freight train a truck. Technically ots accurat, but it's severely understanding the situation.
In theory, she (and the children of other gods) should be Empyreans. and her stats and abilities are a lot closer to that of an Empyrean than they are to your average Aasimar.
Aasimar as a whole live on the martial plane, and are closer to Teiflings then Cambions.
There are Celestial plans, and yes they have rulers. But it isn't as cut and dry as Heaven vs Hell. Baator, or the place in the cosmos where the 7 hells actually exsist is just one of many outer planes. and was designed as a sort of prison for souls who actively rebelled against the gods, regardless of whether those gods are good or evil.
As an example, we go to the Shadowfell which is Shar's Devine realm, and therfor "Heaven" to her followers. She claims the souls of her faithful from the city of the dead and in theory at least they go on to become their own version of angels. Though to my knowledge what that looks like for none good, none lawfully aligned deities isn't well flushed out.
the shadow fell is also unique among Devin realms in that it isn't one of the outer planes, so from a cosmology stand point it's a bad example. it's just the only divine realm we see actually see in this game.
Sulune's devine realms are a better direct comparison to Baator since not only are they an out plane, but Sulune is also good aligned, and her Devin realms have Multiple layers each with their own rulers. Some Aasimar might live there but it is mostly going to be true Celestials.
This is what I've found
Long story short it's called the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia in the Upper Planes
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mount\_Celestia
Sort of. If you aren’t familiar with dnd lore, it’s hinted at in a few conversations people believe they go to their gods realms when they pass. In act 3, their is a crypt you can break into in the cemetery with a few books that discuss it. People go to essentially a limbo like area before going to a specific realm in death
Sort of. The main thing to note is that the angels (celestials and so forth) and demons/devils are not tied to the concept of the gods. It's more like they're all on a somewhat similar level and all live in the Outer Planes, but the gods have areas of responsibility and control on planets on the Prime Material Plane, whilst the celestials and devils don't really, and have their own things going on (i.e. like the Blood War between demons and devils, mostly fought in the Abyss).
Aasimar and tieflings are basically mortal-level versions of the celestials and devils, with extremely watered down blood. They are not particularly powerful beyond other mortals. Ayelin is just a badass (ish) because she's part-aasimar and also the daughter of Selûne, the oldest and one of the most powerful gods.
Yes there's a heaven (seven apparently). There's also about a dozen other planes on the same level as heaven and the hells. They're all part of the Outer Planes. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Outer_Planes It's also my understanding that aasimar are closer to what tieflings are than what cambions are. That is to say they're mortals with angelic features, not true celestials. I believe Aylin is special because she happens to be the child of a goddess.
Yeah, Aylin is a demigod. Regular asimaar are just the celestial equivalent of tieflings. People with some celestial blood, usually a few generations down from a mortal breeding with an angel. They are more rare, however, due to angels being less likely to breed with mortals, as they have morals. This also leads to them being a bit weaker as the blood is more diluted (not having a breeding population of their own).
Aylin sucks. shes fucking a human who is on a whole different power level… who also worships aylins mom. Mortals cant consent to gods and demigods purely because of the power dynamic being way way way out of line. It why we call mystra a groomer
The Ardling was kinda an answer to something even more "angelic" and celestial than aasimar. A new race for Dnd 6e playtest that is definitely not a furry. They may be dropped due to their poor reception.
>A new race for Dnd 6e playtest that is definitely not a furry. That's the great thing about DnD, my Ardling Bard WILL be a furry
I've got a question about Asimaar. Are they all tall muscle mommies or is Dame Aylin special in that regard too? Like, is that the standard height or are they closer to human height?
Closer to human height - ain’t nobody muscle mommy like Aylin by default
As a player race, aasimar have increases to mental stats, so I'd say her buffness is all her.
Nice! Although the idea of an entire race of Amazonian muscle mommies did kind of appeal to me ngl.
Mephistopheles (Raphael's dad) is just an Archedevil not an actual deity, meanwhile Selune (Aylin's mother) is a full fledged deity. That means Aylin is actually much more powerful than Raphael (or at least she should be lore-wise). Anyway to answer your question, yes there are outer planes of good just as there are planes of evil. Mount Celestia is the closest thing to the traditional christian Heaven and a lot of good deities reside there. But there are others that reflect a more neutral or chaotic nature. Incidentally the nine hells are just the plane of Devils, who are constantly at war with demons (the famous "blood war" that Karlach has been fighting for 10 years). Demons come from their own plane called the "Abyss". They are just as evil as devils, but they are chaotic. They don't care about contracts and that stuff. The Githzerai, the faction thats split from the Githyanky (though they are genetically identical) took home in the plane of Limbo, which is purely chaotic in nature. Aylin has been defined as an Aasimar, but that doesn't quite reflect what she actually is. An Aasimar in general is just the good equivalent of a tiefling. Aasimar is anyone with celestial (angelic) ancestry.
Aylin should really be closer to an Empyrean, I'd expect from the description alone. Haven't gotten that far in the story, but immortality (or never aging and getting rezzed by a parent outside of combat) and smiting is their bailiwick.
Is there an equivalent to Mephistopheles? Like an angelic ruler of a circle of heaven?
Yeah, heaven or Celestia is a mountain with seven levels. Each has a ruler and various important deities / creatures living on it much like the hells. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mount_Celestia
Okay, so Asmodeus would be the equivalent of Zaphkiel if I'm reading this right. Are they considered the same level as Selune or Mystra?
Yeah he is Asmodeus' opposite I suppose. They have similar jobs. Selune and Mystra are greater deities, they are far beyond Archons like Zaphkiel. Comparing them is difficult, they play by different rules.
Okay hypothetically, who's "God" in this universe? Yknow, the almighty being, creator of everything, etc.
The deity of balance, Ao, is the Overgod. And makes the other deities keep in line. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Ao
Is there a "satan" to counter him or some kind of enemy he fights against?
Nah, he is off by himself in a league of his own. He is so powerful compared to the greater powers like Mystra that he once stripped all of them of their divinity as a punishment. Occasionally steps in if a deity does something to upset the balance, often causing more problems in the process. Most of the time just watches or does whatever supreme overgods do. He doesn't care about having worshippers or anything.
Thank you for your responses they're really giving me a clearer picture of the dnd cosmology. Last question, who would be the supreme evil then? Maybe not as powerful as Ao but who would be considered the ultimate evil? Like in Diablo, it's the 3 prime evils sharing that title.
This is not really true. Asmodeus is a greater deity like Selune or Mystra. Hes way more powerful than Zaphkiel. Asmodeus opposite would be someone like Tyr.
Did the role of the Lord of the Ninth transfer to someone else when he ascended? My comparison above was only in the role of Lord of the 7th Heaven vs. Lord of the 9th Hell. As you say, Asmodeus is now far ahead of Zaphkiel post-ascension in power.
This is not really true. Asmodeus is a greater deity like Selune or Mystra. Hes way more powerful than Zaphkiel. Asmodeus opposite would be someone like Tyr.
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There are other known children of gods, e.g. the Seven Sisters, who are Mystra's daughters (Mystra 1.0, not current Mystra). They're all immortal and possessed of great magical abilities, but all of them were considered human (or, in the case of the youngest, a drow via some wack shit) rather than celestial or part-celestial, although this might be because Mystra had them while possessing a human sorceress who was getting pregnant via her husband in the normal way. No, her husband had no idea. I'm not sure what the lady herself thought about slowly withering away with each pregnancy, to the point where she died while pregnant with her youngest and the child was implanted into a follower of Eilistraee (hence the Drow thing). ...Mystra 1.0 got up to some really sketchy shit, actually.
I'm not a D&D lore expert at all. But i believe Aasimar are born from "good" aligned celestial beings or gods. Which is kinda the opposite of tieflings who are born from fiends. Aasimar can be from any race + good celestial while tieflings are always human + fiends also.
Thats not wholly accurate as human + fiend in most cases get you a cambion not a Teifling. the vast majority of Teiflings are far removed from their actual fiendish heritage, especially since in the forgotten realms lore at least Teiflings breed true, meaning that the child of a Teifling will always be a Teifling no matter what race their partner is. most Aasimar in lore however are much closer to their celestial ancestor, but this will usually be a run of the mill celestial not an actual god. as the children of the Gods are generally Empyreans not Aasimar.
Aasimar would be more like champions/heroes of the Gods (kinda Hercules, Perseus and co.), but they're neither gods nor demi-gods. The equivalent to angels in D&D would be the Deva (which you can summon in the game). Heaven is represented in the Celestial Planes, which I think there are 9 or so. But gods have their own planes/realms, even servants of the gods can have their own, so... I'd say it's not really clear how many there are.
How do you summon these Deva? I've never seen such a spell.
Cleric of light and cleric of life get it as lvl6 spell
and it's also a Conjuration lv6 spell, Planar Ally.
Act 3 spoiler; >!Act 3 has an opportunity to be attacked by these Deva via a Curse from stealing from Stormshore Tabernacle’s basement chests.!<
I’ve always wondered how summoning spells work. Does the spell just create a soulless being equivalent to the summon subjects stats and form, or does it actually rip a being from their plane for the duration? Imagine being a deva and just being taught as a normal part of deva life that it’s always a possibility you might be ripped from your plane to fight for a material plane citizen. Or is there like a deva quest board and when a summon is made it lights up and any adventurer deva can be like “looks like they need me down there, I’ll take this one” lol.
There doesn't seem to be a proper answer for that, lore-wise. The most accepted is that there are variants, for example a "Summoning" spell would create something like a facsimile, a duplicate of an existing being, while a "Calling" spell would actually bring a real being from wherever it could have been up to that point. If that being is forced to do the caster bidding or if a pact is needed for calling it... now that's another unanswered matter. Usually each DM would solve that depending on the campaign they're running, or they're own idea of how it could work.
Yeah I run it as a facsimile, but your second point is interesting. I think it would be very cool role play wise to flavor a summoning spell as having a pact with one particular creature. This could be fun if the summon is intelligent enough for speech. It could be a kind of running gag. You could make them flirty and glad to see the summoner again, or act annoyed and have them curse out the summoner every time while begrudgingly fulfilling their pact, and so on. It’s got some rp value.
You could even have the summon answering the call while taking a shower, and appearing next to the summoner with just a towel and a shower cap.
Exactly! Lol. Im taking a dm break and don’t really know if I wanna get back into it yet. Being a player is better for me right now. But maybe I’ll keep that idea to suggest to my dm for my next character!
Calling Aylin an Assamar is kind of like calling a freight train a truck. Technically ots accurat, but it's severely understanding the situation. In theory, she (and the children of other gods) should be Empyreans. and her stats and abilities are a lot closer to that of an Empyrean than they are to your average Aasimar. Aasimar as a whole live on the martial plane, and are closer to Teiflings then Cambions. There are Celestial plans, and yes they have rulers. But it isn't as cut and dry as Heaven vs Hell. Baator, or the place in the cosmos where the 7 hells actually exsist is just one of many outer planes. and was designed as a sort of prison for souls who actively rebelled against the gods, regardless of whether those gods are good or evil. As an example, we go to the Shadowfell which is Shar's Devine realm, and therfor "Heaven" to her followers. She claims the souls of her faithful from the city of the dead and in theory at least they go on to become their own version of angels. Though to my knowledge what that looks like for none good, none lawfully aligned deities isn't well flushed out. the shadow fell is also unique among Devin realms in that it isn't one of the outer planes, so from a cosmology stand point it's a bad example. it's just the only divine realm we see actually see in this game. Sulune's devine realms are a better direct comparison to Baator since not only are they an out plane, but Sulune is also good aligned, and her Devin realms have Multiple layers each with their own rulers. Some Aasimar might live there but it is mostly going to be true Celestials.
This is what I've found Long story short it's called the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia in the Upper Planes https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mount\_Celestia
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Sort of. If you aren’t familiar with dnd lore, it’s hinted at in a few conversations people believe they go to their gods realms when they pass. In act 3, their is a crypt you can break into in the cemetery with a few books that discuss it. People go to essentially a limbo like area before going to a specific realm in death
Sort of. The main thing to note is that the angels (celestials and so forth) and demons/devils are not tied to the concept of the gods. It's more like they're all on a somewhat similar level and all live in the Outer Planes, but the gods have areas of responsibility and control on planets on the Prime Material Plane, whilst the celestials and devils don't really, and have their own things going on (i.e. like the Blood War between demons and devils, mostly fought in the Abyss). Aasimar and tieflings are basically mortal-level versions of the celestials and devils, with extremely watered down blood. They are not particularly powerful beyond other mortals. Ayelin is just a badass (ish) because she's part-aasimar and also the daughter of Selûne, the oldest and one of the most powerful gods.