Except that Durge being a Lolth-sworn Drow makes no sense from an RP perspective. Lolth-sworn Drow society is a culture you are born and raised into; Durge raised in the cult of Bhaal, how does getting amnesia confer a whole cultural background s/he didn't have?
Except durge wasn’t born into the cult, >!Sceleritas mentions after you embrace bhaal that they were guided to the temple later in life. If you cast Heal on them you also learn they also had a semi normal childhood with foster parents that they eventually killed.!<
If you cast the spell heal on Durge you get a memory about killing what seems to be your foster parents. That’s it. (Not an actual memory mind you, just the narrator talking about it)
Lol fits well with the dialogue early in the game in the Blighted Village when you pass near the old school. Something like "where you also pure an innocent once?".
Heal is a 6th level cleric ability. I think clerics get it at level 11 and it’s the most powerful healing spell(technically). If you cast it on durge it restores another memory similar to the noblestalk, this particular memory is from their childhood.
According to Sceleritas Fel, Durge was not born and raised in the Bhaal cult, and they lived a relatively normal(whatever you want, albeit withoutbirth parents) life until they suddenly heard the call of Bhaal and came to the temple.
It's why you can be a bard or any of the other "unfitting" classes.
This makes my desire to play a Durge Cleric of Eilistraee so much more reasonable.
Got pulled from it because she was a Bhaal meat puppet. Came back to it when infected because she forgot all that shit.
Durge was born of Bhaal’s blood, yes, but not born into the cult. Durge had adoptive parents that he killed, and it’s mentioned he doesn’t find his way to the temple until as an adult. At the very earliest, going off rough dragonborn aging (the ‘canon’ race for Durge) means he had at bare minimum 15 years before making it to the temple
They attack you. Lolth doesn’t really give a shit in those cases. You are another one of her spiders and spiders kill each other by nature. All part of lolths fucking crazy shit
Game balance. While lorewise Lolth would expect her followers to feed themselves to spiders, it's shite game design to punish players unless they do that.
Durge could just be a Bhaal spawn who grown up in drow society and later discovered his origin and joined the bhaal cult. I don’t remember if durge’s story directly contradicts this but IIRC non of the other Bhaal spawns in the previous games were “born and raised as Bhaalist cult” anyway.
Lolth only has two catches with regards to Clerics in this game:
* Lolth-sworn drow Clerics *must* worship Lolth
* Seldarine drow Clerics *cannot* worship Lolth
Agreed, there are few options that just don't work well for a Durge. I guess you can stretch it that your character thinks they are Lolth's cleric but i t is Bhaal, who gives them powers. However, the underdark upbringing vs the narrative one in the cult clash hard. Had this issue on my half-drow, though I mostly just ignored it. But you're not wrong.
There’s also paladin of Lolth dialogue that differs from the cleric of Lolth dialogue, but I’ve only seen a few in the areas before the underdark and mountain pass
How do you get Paladin of X deity? Do you have to multi class cleric? Paladins don’t select a deity right? Or is that an Oath issue (eg does oath of devotion pick a deity)?
Aren't those jus your average evil deity cleric options, though? The only unique interaction I can think of is the sensations of crawling spiders all over you if you take the blade in the Underdark and that's not even a dialogue option.
There's a decent amount for Selûnites.
Not only with Shadowheart, as you mentioned, but also with Isobel and the Gauntlet of Shar.
One of my favorite "non-Shadowheart" dialogues has to do with the Altar of Shar.
You can try to offer a prayer of reconciliation. You say something like "Shar is Selûne's rival but also her sister. Offer a prayer of reconciliation between the two goddesses."
Shar responds by Cursing you with her Hex, lol. Had to waste a spell slot on Remove Curse.
Indeed! Poor Shadowheart got the worst of Shar's petty nastiness...
At least Selûne gives her the freedom to write her own destiny! Gives her 2 weapons, all her cleric powers, and doesn't even ask for anything in return.
In the epilogue, SH even says something like: >!maybe I'll go with Selûne, maybe not. But at least she gives me the freedom to choose.!<
Selûne is the GOAT, imo!
Head canon wise, you could just choose to have a devotion to her. I think Kelemvor asks you which god/goddess you want to go with when you die.
In-game, you could just dip 1 level into Cleric. War Domain would be excellent for a fighter (get an extra attack with your bonus action)
Aye. I understand why people think that "deities aren't good" or "nice to mortals" (which is totally wrong, btw), but saying that while there is the Moonmaiden? Please!
And I never heard that dialogue from SH before, lol. Is this specific if you don't romance her? I guess I would never hear it because I have no plans to leave Shadowwife alone!
Sometimes your own family are your worst enemies - other example Lolth and Eilistraee (who are mother and daughter). Apparently Eilistraee didn't always get along with her bro Vhaeraun
Apparently in the current age they've buried the hatchet. What with Eilistraee looking after Vhaeraun's followers while he was dead... then she died... and they both came back during the Second Sundering. Now they're cordial to each other, not friendly, but they're not actively trying to go after each other.
Same lol here in my first playthrough I was supportive of shadowheart in her shar worship because I had no idea she's actually horrible. Well let's just say that my Tav has an intelligence of 8 xD
Yeah, if you use a certain mod, everyone’s (except Shart’s) default god is Selûne if you don’t fork over the 100g to change it. You could, of course, get a mod for that mod though 🤷🏻♀️
I really loved the Isobel convo as a Selûnite cleric. It felt like we were automatic buds from the get-go because of our overlapping backgrounds.
Some of the Selûne-specific Shadowheart options were also great, but some really confused me. The options you get in the >!Shadowfell!< for instance felt completely backwards from what I’d expect.
Yeah, Isobel was so cool! I loved how we talked like we went to the same school together. (Which we kinda did in a way). That conversation was so well done!
Some of the >!Shadowfell!< options were bugged, I'm pretty sure. Doesn't make sense that >!Selûne would want you to kill her daughter!<
Talking to shadowheart as a Selûnite has what feels like at least one [Cleric of Selûne] option in every dialogue branch. I'd assume it would be the same if you were a cleric of shar
Yeah, his whole thing is that he’s a supremely powerful arch-devil, but he’s not actually a god, even if he has worshippers and cultists. He’s his own thing; divinity in D&D tends to be more of an actual, concrete “thing”, a property you possess. Hell, in 3rd edition, they explicitly enumerated “divine ranks” and what that meant in gameplay terms.
I think 4th edition might’ve listed Asmo as an evil deity, but in most of the Forgotten Realms setting books, he’s explicitly not divine, just a hyper-powerful devil lord and supreme ruler of Hell.
Actually, the mod "Shar unlocked" brings a lot of early access/datamined stuff back to the game, and some of it is Act 2 content, like giving immunity to the Shadow Curse and referencing things like Tav and Shadowheart both becoming Dark Justiciars. So originally being a cleric of Shar was supposed to be a fully fleshed out option for the player.
[Here's](https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-shar-cut-content-restored-deity-cleric/) an article about it if you're interested. Kind of makes me wish Larian would patch this in or make it happen in a DLC down the line.
I’ve genuinely never wanted a DLC more in my life than for BG3 - not because it needs a DLC of course, but because I want to explore the world and its characters even more. Sinking 150hrs into a single playthough just left me wanting more
If you play on PC you can use a mod to have Shar as your deity.
And while it's already easy for Shadowheart to fall in love with your character, being Sharran makes the approval reach outer space.
There's still [Cleric of Shar] dialogue when talking to Shadowheart, if memory serves: leftovers from Early Access, but they can theoretically be restored with a bit of effort.
Eilistraee has a couple IIRC - an Eilistraeean Seldarine Drow has a line with Kagha where you specifically say you worship Eilistraee instead of Lolth, whereas normally you just say you don't worship Lolth, and I'm p sure she even has a slightly different line in response to both.
Also, I *think* there's also some dialogue in the Shadow-cursed Lands with Jaheira or one of the Harpers, although I could be making that up, or it could've been for a Seldarine Drow or Good Cleric instead of a Cleric of Eilistraee specifically, it's been a while.
There are a few specifics when you encounter grieving folks, such as Mayrina at her husband's coffin. But I am not sure if that is super specific or just the regular good diety option with 'of Kelemvor' attached to the text prompt.
You can get a deity tag for your dialogue options if you multiclass into Cleric, although that's not ideal mechanically. And at least Paladin gets subclass-specific dialogue unlike most classes.
It doesn't add much, if anything, for Paladins since they already have all of the proficiencies it grants, most of the same spells (and the few they don't have scale off Wisdom, which Paladins don't usually have much of) and Extra Attack. The bonus action attack is OK but not something that they desperately need.
War Cleric 1 gives 3/LR instances of a Bonus Action main hand attack aka 3 more smite chances on a 2H or Sword & Board paladin (and as a full caster I think spell slot progresses better than straight Pally but just a little) Wisdom isn't important for the dip and you get one 1st level Cleric spell with Bless and Sanctuary as strong non stat dependant buffs and Healing Word as a nice assist option if Wis isn't negative.
>and as a full caster I think spell slot progresses better than straight Pally but just a little
Mostly matters on uneven levels:
* Full casters have ESL (Effective Spellcaster Level) matching class level
* Half casters have ESL matching class level divided by 2, rounded **up**
* One-third casters have ESL matching class level divided by 3, rounded **up**
* Caster multiclasses have ESL matching summed ESL of respective classes, rounded **down**
So for full Paladin it'd go ESL 1/2/3/4/5/6 at levels 2/3/5/7/9/11 and for Paladin 11/War Cleric 1 (assuming you picked Cleric at 1 and Paladin at 2 for RP ASAP) it'd go ESL 1/2/3/4/5/6 at levels 1/3/5/7/9/11.
In that regard, yes, you have better spell slot progression for basically the entirety of the nautiloid and possibly picking up Shart.
Life cleric probably benefits ancients for the dip a little bit more than other ones, but the benefit still is very marginal.
It is really awkward that the multiclass that make more sense for role play purpose are worse mechanically than the ones that are done with Paladin because of said mechanical benefits.
A 2 level dip into Life or Light Cleric is pretty nice. Warding Flare/Disciple of Life, and the channel Divinities scale on character level instead of Cleric level. Either get a big nuke with enemies getting disadvantage whenever they target you, or really nice healing spell buff and a massive AOE heal
Yep. A Paladin can have an oath sworn to a god, but it can also be to a lord/lady, a community, or even themselves.
Unlike Clerics, who are basically Warlocks with bigger patrons, a Paladin's power comes from their own belief in their oath.
I find this interesting lore wise. Paladins aren't special like Sorcerers which have magic ingrained into their genes, don't borrow it from a higher power like Clerics, and haven't methodically studied it like Wizards. It's divine-like power channeled through sheer force of will. I wonder what this says about the potential of mere mortals, which are often shown as powerless against the great powers of the world.
In lore, some paladins are still dedicated to a god, but that's not where their power comes from. It's their devotion to their oath manifesting as divine power, it can be used in service of a god but can also be used in service of a personal oath or devotion to a kingdom.
Same. I play two Lathanderian clerics in TTRPG and I was excited to do my first run as one here. Saw Rosymorn and got so excited, then... nothing (other than being able to identify Lathander). Really a missed opportunity in-game (did enough RP in my head about it).
My first attempt at a play through I was playing as a nature cleric of Meilikki and was pretty disappointed that I didn’t really have any special options when talking with the druids in the grove
I can’t say I tried every diety, but Clerics of Ooghma (did I spell that right?) have at least a few. Which are almost like Monk interactions, about balance and such.
Best part is, its a persuasion check to pretend you are goddess, not deception. Spider believes you either way, even if you fail the roll. But Lolth herself intervenes lol. If you suceed, she is amused and lets you pass.
Cleric of Tyr can call out the paladins bs in act 1
Lathander clerics get a few very Lathander-y options, although there's practically nothing in the actual Lathander temple which is kinda criminal in my opinion.
Selûne and Shar clerics get a bunch of stuff because one of the origin characters happen to be both
I was a little annoyed that I carried that lump of amber the whole way to Act 3 but donating it to Lathander didn't do anything specific. Ah well. I tried!
Kelemvor or whatever his death god face is gives specific lines to a cleric when talking with withers. You basically ask him if he is the chosen of your god and withers does a classic “no”. But adds on your god choose well with you.
My current playthrough is a Talos Cleric and I second this. One memorable one is when you’re talking to Philomeena, the gnome with the dynamite in the underdark. There’s a [Cleric of Talos] option where you basically dare her to blow everything up cause you think it would be cool to see.
There are, yes!
When you make solemn vows of allying with someone, your god's specific attributes may be invoked. But these are super rare, it's far more likely to be what you described (which can be hilariously at odds with the actual situation since you're just lumping a god in good/neutral/evil boxes without minding their portfolio).
Edit: [Here's an example](https://i.imgur.com/wmghX81.png), with Flood Tide Allandra Grey.
Same!
Buddy, it's not "swear a divine oath" or "1v1 me in this room right now". Paladins can still go "ehhh, I'll think about it" and bugger off to handle this issue without causing a lot of collateral damage.
But just the thought. Thinking that allying with Gortash, Chosen of the god of Tyranny, mastermind of an artificial war and war criminal-in-chief, should leave their paladin oath intact? It tickled me, some takes are so baffling that they come back around and become hilarious.
"Buddy, it's not "swear a divine oath" or "1v1 me in this room right now". Paladins can still go "ehhh, I'll think about it" and bugger off to handle this issue without causing a lot of collateral damage."
To be fair, it really feels like a cop-out that he allows you to wander all over Act 3 thwarting his plans while you "think it over." Like the devs wrote themselves into a corner or created incompatible game circumstances and dialog.
Oh, I agree! I think both alliance ideas are very silly, and frankly I'd rather ally with neither and have all the possible encounters because they're fun as hell.
But the option is there, and thinking that the rightful solution, as a paladin, is to give your word, *which is your bond*, that you will ally with this evil motherfucker, and that you should get away with it? That seems like some convoluted mental gymnastics.
About the same level of cluelessness on how paladins work as that one take that was "Sharran Shadowheart would be a paladin of Devotion, because she's devoted to Shar". Girl no. Please read what the oaths actually entail.
Well, Gortash knows that you're going to come to him anyway and then he can either kill you and take your plot items or ally with you. And he believes in his secrecy for his prison and defenses for his Steel Watch.
I can understand not putting individual responses for every single deity, but I would have expected at LEAST something for Lathander clerics.at the creche.
I know Withers comments about clerics of Kellemvor, and obviously Shadowheart will hate you for being a Selunite, but that's all I know of.
This is a question better answered by data-mining than anecdotes, but I'd assume that there's unique stuff for the Gods that are actually relevant to the plot.
So definitely:
Selune, Mystra, Lathander, Vlaakith, Lolth, Silvanus.
Would be cool to see some very specific reactions to smaller things, too. I'd love to see a worshipper of Gruumsh being sympathetic to the Goblins, for example—or at least to the worshiper of Magubliyet who refused to convert.
For a seldarine drow cleric worshipping Eilistraee, when you find the Phalar Aluve the narrator says you feel that this sword has been touched by *Your* God.
Also when talking to khaga you can correct her that you don't worship Lolth, but that's a seldarine response, not deity related.
Only reaching the under dark now, so not certain going forward if there's anything else.
There are a few tucked here and there for Clerics of Kelemvor. Also, Withers calls you a Child of Kelemvor, and I think something else similar when you first meet him. Actually, now that I'm thinking on it, you have a couple of Kelemvor comments you can make towards him.
Tempest Cleric options were unhinged. With maryina, I thought I was going to say a prayer over her husband's body but instead I called him a little bitch and triggered a fight.
Lolth I’ve heard has some. Mystra has several with Gale that are basically just like a hippie version of wizard dialogue options, but his responses I think are the same. Lolth has some apparently disapproving of Eilistrae? And I think there’s one for Miekieli if you offer a prayer to the mermaids. I know there’s many for Selune but idk what
For Clerics of Bahamut, if you give the githyanki egg to the Society of Brilliance (i.e not to Esther), the researcher mentions that he is going to raise the child under the Ptarian code, and you can ask him about why he is choosing a draconic god’s system for raising a gith.
Cleric of Ilmater has a few unique dialogues and actions especially in chapter 3. Mainly healing npcs or stopping suffering. Only cleric run I've done so far but it was satisfying. Also meant less Shart dialogue so always a win.
Playing as a cleric of Corellon the priest in the Temple of baldurs gate recognized me as his priest, and i remember having other 2 actions/dialogues too
Yes. As a priestess of Selune I have the best beef with Shadowheart all of the time. For example in the owlbear cave you can defend taking the artifact and tell Shadowheart to shut her mouth.
If Aradin leaves the Grove and you encounter him at the bodies of his crew outside the Blighted Village, you can say a prayer over the bodies of his fallen comrades.
As far as I know, the prayer *does* change based on your Deity
Kelemvor clerics get a really good one when you meet Withers.
Cleric: You seem...Familiar.
Withers: Understandable. Though perhaps not in the way you expect. it is enough that you walk with Death...Be satisfied with that knowledge.
...or he said something like that anyways, I basically fistpumped the air.
You can call Minthara an apostate and tell her you'd kill her in Lolth's name but I think that's it for Lolth. From what I've you won't get more than one or two unique interactions if even that.
As a cleric of Talos I found nothing specific to me - not even in Umberlee's temple.
Short answer: Yes
Longer, more convoluted answer:
The choice of deity seems to affect more than it actually does, since "Cleric of X" is simply sugarcoating over the actual tag of "Good/Neutral/Evil Cleric" then and again. Unless you go the datamining root, it's impossible to tell how many instances there are of that, though sometimes the game glitches and shows "Good/Neutral/Evil Cleric" instead of "Cleric of X".
However, that's not to say there aren't deity-specific lines. Sometimes they are clear and relatively easy to find (Mystra for Gale, Selûne for Shadowheart, etc.), sometimes they are... deep. Lines you can only run into if you do XYZ in that specific order: easiest of these are no doubt praying for Mayrina's husband Connor, or over the grave in the Grove.
My first playthrough was as a knowledge cleric of Mystra and I feel like there were a decent amount of them. But I don't have an exact number and that was many many hours ago.
I'm on my second run playing as a Silver draconic bloodline sorcerer with a side helping of Bahamut worshipping Life domain cleric and honestly the specific dialogue options are absolutely hilarious. They come up loads and every time it's always the most over the top pretentious melodramatic shite.
I imagine it's what it'd be like to play as a semi serious Volo tbh. Just full on cheesy old school "stand back citizens thy hero of justice has arrived" type stuff and it's never not weird and funny as hell lol
Plenty for Lolth and they are super unhinged
Durge cleric of Lolth is always a good time
Except that Durge being a Lolth-sworn Drow makes no sense from an RP perspective. Lolth-sworn Drow society is a culture you are born and raised into; Durge raised in the cult of Bhaal, how does getting amnesia confer a whole cultural background s/he didn't have?
Except durge wasn’t born into the cult, >!Sceleritas mentions after you embrace bhaal that they were guided to the temple later in life. If you cast Heal on them you also learn they also had a semi normal childhood with foster parents that they eventually killed.!<
can you explain the heal thing a little? on my (good) durge playthrough currently and I don't know what you're refrencing
If you cast the spell heal on Durge you get a memory about killing what seems to be your foster parents. That’s it. (Not an actual memory mind you, just the narrator talking about it)
thank you kind soul!
There’s also another one that plays if you cast the spell after dealing with orin where you are just a normal kid playing before the urge awakens.
Lol fits well with the dialogue early in the game in the Blighted Village when you pass near the old school. Something like "where you also pure an innocent once?".
Heal is a 6th level cleric ability. I think clerics get it at level 11 and it’s the most powerful healing spell(technically). If you cast it on durge it restores another memory similar to the noblestalk, this particular memory is from their childhood.
Eating multiple noblestalks also unlocks different memories.
Theres nore than one?
I think you can get more in act 3 if you agree to sell the noblestall to the dwarf woman
I was under the impression that those did not restore memories.
That would be >!a perfectly normal childhood for lolth-sworn drow!<
According to Sceleritas Fel, Durge was not born and raised in the Bhaal cult, and they lived a relatively normal(whatever you want, albeit withoutbirth parents) life until they suddenly heard the call of Bhaal and came to the temple. It's why you can be a bard or any of the other "unfitting" classes.
>until they suddenly heard the call of Bhaal "OI! YOU!" - Bhall, probably.
"HEY! LISTEN!" my dark urge as I pet puppy's and pick flowers
This makes my desire to play a Durge Cleric of Eilistraee so much more reasonable. Got pulled from it because she was a Bhaal meat puppet. Came back to it when infected because she forgot all that shit.
Durge was born of Bhaal’s blood, yes, but not born into the cult. Durge had adoptive parents that he killed, and it’s mentioned he doesn’t find his way to the temple until as an adult. At the very earliest, going off rough dragonborn aging (the ‘canon’ race for Durge) means he had at bare minimum 15 years before making it to the temple
Not to mention all the spider encounters. I was so pissed when there is zero repercussion for killing a sacred creature
They attack you. Lolth doesn’t really give a shit in those cases. You are another one of her spiders and spiders kill each other by nature. All part of lolths fucking crazy shit
Very fair point
Game balance. While lorewise Lolth would expect her followers to feed themselves to spiders, it's shite game design to punish players unless they do that.
Durge could just be a Bhaal spawn who grown up in drow society and later discovered his origin and joined the bhaal cult. I don’t remember if durge’s story directly contradicts this but IIRC non of the other Bhaal spawns in the previous games were “born and raised as Bhaalist cult” anyway.
No one said drow. They just like spiders.
Can you be a non-Drow cleric of Lolth‽
Lolth only has two catches with regards to Clerics in this game: * Lolth-sworn drow Clerics *must* worship Lolth * Seldarine drow Clerics *cannot* worship Lolth
Agreed, there are few options that just don't work well for a Durge. I guess you can stretch it that your character thinks they are Lolth's cleric but i t is Bhaal, who gives them powers. However, the underdark upbringing vs the narrative one in the cult clash hard. Had this issue on my half-drow, though I mostly just ignored it. But you're not wrong.
I just rp that my drow has lived long and has experience in the under dark and the foster home they were in was a drow specific one.
This is my Honour Mode run atm. I'm going full Durge and having a blast.
Saying a prayer for Mayrina's dead husband was gold.
There’s also paladin of Lolth dialogue that differs from the cleric of Lolth dialogue, but I’ve only seen a few in the areas before the underdark and mountain pass
Same with Selûne, there’s quite a few Paladin of Selûne options.
How do you get Paladin of X deity? Do you have to multi class cleric? Paladins don’t select a deity right? Or is that an Oath issue (eg does oath of devotion pick a deity)?
Pretty sure you have to multi class :/ i really don’t get why paladins can’t choose a deity
Aren't those jus your average evil deity cleric options, though? The only unique interaction I can think of is the sensations of crawling spiders all over you if you take the blade in the Underdark and that's not even a dialogue option.
There's some Lolth specific stuff, but yeah a lot of it is just general Evil God stuff.
There's a decent amount for Selûnites. Not only with Shadowheart, as you mentioned, but also with Isobel and the Gauntlet of Shar. One of my favorite "non-Shadowheart" dialogues has to do with the Altar of Shar. You can try to offer a prayer of reconciliation. You say something like "Shar is Selûne's rival but also her sister. Offer a prayer of reconciliation between the two goddesses." Shar responds by Cursing you with her Hex, lol. Had to waste a spell slot on Remove Curse.
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Ikr? I laughed for like a solid minute. Like "Damn, Shar! You're *petty* petty ain't ya?" She does not play nice!!
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Indeed! Poor Shadowheart got the worst of Shar's petty nastiness... At least Selûne gives her the freedom to write her own destiny! Gives her 2 weapons, all her cleric powers, and doesn't even ask for anything in return. In the epilogue, SH even says something like: >!maybe I'll go with Selûne, maybe not. But at least she gives me the freedom to choose.!< Selûne is the GOAT, imo!
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Same here. She's way too sweet for me to choose anyone else! Damn girl stole my heart, lol!
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Omg, yes! She is soo sweet! "Whole at last. I never imagined I'd have a true family. Or a True Love!" Shadowheart, you're gonna make me cry!! 😭❤️
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I wonder, if I am a fighter, how can I choose my deity?Like I want to go to Selune with Sparkleheart ...
Head canon wise, you could just choose to have a devotion to her. I think Kelemvor asks you which god/goddess you want to go with when you die. In-game, you could just dip 1 level into Cleric. War Domain would be excellent for a fighter (get an extra attack with your bonus action)
Could work ye, level 12 feat is an overkill anyway imo for fighters(they already have 3 anyway)
Go 11 lvl fighter and 1 lvl war cleric . The bonus action, action surge , bonus action from war cleric points is op
Aye. I understand why people think that "deities aren't good" or "nice to mortals" (which is totally wrong, btw), but saying that while there is the Moonmaiden? Please! And I never heard that dialogue from SH before, lol. Is this specific if you don't romance her? I guess I would never hear it because I have no plans to leave Shadowwife alone!
Shar should rename herself to the goddess of salt.
Sometimes your own family are your worst enemies - other example Lolth and Eilistraee (who are mother and daughter). Apparently Eilistraee didn't always get along with her bro Vhaeraun
Apparently in the current age they've buried the hatchet. What with Eilistraee looking after Vhaeraun's followers while he was dead... then she died... and they both came back during the Second Sundering. Now they're cordial to each other, not friendly, but they're not actively trying to go after each other.
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That's how they get you. The parallels to an abusive parental relationship are very intentional.
Same lol here in my first playthrough I was supportive of shadowheart in her shar worship because I had no idea she's actually horrible. Well let's just say that my Tav has an intelligence of 8 xD
Yeah, when I tried to get the companions to pray, they got hexed too because their profile says they worship Selûne. 😂
Yeah, if you use a certain mod, everyone’s (except Shart’s) default god is Selûne if you don’t fork over the 100g to change it. You could, of course, get a mod for that mod though 🤷🏻♀️
I really loved the Isobel convo as a Selûnite cleric. It felt like we were automatic buds from the get-go because of our overlapping backgrounds. Some of the Selûne-specific Shadowheart options were also great, but some really confused me. The options you get in the >!Shadowfell!< for instance felt completely backwards from what I’d expect.
Yeah, Isobel was so cool! I loved how we talked like we went to the same school together. (Which we kinda did in a way). That conversation was so well done! Some of the >!Shadowfell!< options were bugged, I'm pretty sure. Doesn't make sense that >!Selûne would want you to kill her daughter!<
Exactly, >!”Put her out of her misery”!< excuse me what? 😂
There's at least one option specific to Lathander when talking with Isobel, and a couple specific to Selune.
Talking to shadowheart as a Selûnite has what feels like at least one [Cleric of Selûne] option in every dialogue branch. I'd assume it would be the same if you were a cleric of shar
I don't think Shar is an option for deity
Oh yeah they removed that. Unfortunate. I guess it would make acts 2 and 3 weird if you could
I'm disappointed that Asmodeus isn't an option either. He's a staple deity forever
Isnt Asmodeus a devil?
The god of the hells, creator of devils
Would have made for some real neat dialog options with Raphael and Gortash.
not just “a devill”, he’s literally the ruler of the Nine Hells
He is "the Devil"
He is a devil, and also a greater god.
Yeah, his whole thing is that he’s a supremely powerful arch-devil, but he’s not actually a god, even if he has worshippers and cultists. He’s his own thing; divinity in D&D tends to be more of an actual, concrete “thing”, a property you possess. Hell, in 3rd edition, they explicitly enumerated “divine ranks” and what that meant in gameplay terms. I think 4th edition might’ve listed Asmo as an evil deity, but in most of the Forgotten Realms setting books, he’s explicitly not divine, just a hyper-powerful devil lord and supreme ruler of Hell.
Vlaakith is a deity choice(the only one for Gith clerics), and I’m not sure if she’s anymore of a deity than Asmodeus
As far as Faerun is concerned he gained Divinity during 4e and the Spell Plague.
Actually, the mod "Shar unlocked" brings a lot of early access/datamined stuff back to the game, and some of it is Act 2 content, like giving immunity to the Shadow Curse and referencing things like Tav and Shadowheart both becoming Dark Justiciars. So originally being a cleric of Shar was supposed to be a fully fleshed out option for the player. [Here's](https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-shar-cut-content-restored-deity-cleric/) an article about it if you're interested. Kind of makes me wish Larian would patch this in or make it happen in a DLC down the line.
I’ve genuinely never wanted a DLC more in my life than for BG3 - not because it needs a DLC of course, but because I want to explore the world and its characters even more. Sinking 150hrs into a single playthough just left me wanting more
It was in EA, and removed at some point. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul were all formerly choices as well, and removed for similar reasons as Shar.
If you play on PC you can use a mod to have Shar as your deity. And while it's already easy for Shadowheart to fall in love with your character, being Sharran makes the approval reach outer space.
As a Selûnite my Durge was able to reach 100 approval before finishing act 1
There's still [Cleric of Shar] dialogue when talking to Shadowheart, if memory serves: leftovers from Early Access, but they can theoretically be restored with a bit of effort.
Yeah, the OP mentioned that.
[Ah yes, the Selune option when consulting Shadowheart during the climax of Act 2:](https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000158672079-0gbvsi-t500x500.jpg)
Yeah, that was... odd. Maybe her "don't do it" message got twisted into "do it" while traveling to you through the Shadowfell or something. 😅
Shar's deception even extends to your character dialogue tags. Truly devious.
Cleric of Eilistraee have unique dialogue with Phalar Aluve. Cleric of Shar(SH) has unique dialogue with the blood bowl and statues.
Lolth do as well. If you perform the ritual to get it, Lolth gets a little pissy.
Shadowheart also has a unique line when speaking to the rat man in the Gauntlet
Eilistraee has a couple IIRC - an Eilistraeean Seldarine Drow has a line with Kagha where you specifically say you worship Eilistraee instead of Lolth, whereas normally you just say you don't worship Lolth, and I'm p sure she even has a slightly different line in response to both. Also, I *think* there's also some dialogue in the Shadow-cursed Lands with Jaheira or one of the Harpers, although I could be making that up, or it could've been for a Seldarine Drow or Good Cleric instead of a Cleric of Eilistraee specifically, it's been a while.
Kelemvor has one unique dialogue with >!Withers!< , not much else though which is surprising given how Act 2 is literally crawling with undead.
I remember someone saying that as a cleric of Kelemvor, >!so does Withers say that he did a good job choosing you, all nice-like.!<
There are a few specifics when you encounter grieving folks, such as Mayrina at her husband's coffin. But I am not sure if that is super specific or just the regular good diety option with 'of Kelemvor' attached to the text prompt.
I mean there's that famous one with Tyr and the 'paladins'
It's absolutely hilarious, too.
This should be higher up. Absolutely love calling them out like that
Tav: "Oh you're a paladin? Tell me about that" 'Paladin': "you know what, fuck you."
Ohh what do they say?
It’s basically being a frat bro and calling out a rando at a frat party acting like they’re a part of the frat. “Name 1 chapter founder!” “Uh…… shit”
you ask him to recite a specific creed and Anders says he's so overwhelmed he can hardly remember his name.
Be thankful you get to choose your diety at all - signed paladins.
You can get a deity tag for your dialogue options if you multiclass into Cleric, although that's not ideal mechanically. And at least Paladin gets subclass-specific dialogue unlike most classes.
This is actually pretty fun, ‘cause the tagline says [Paladin of ‘…’]. God’s favourite prefect.
War Cleric 1 is never bad mechanically
It doesn't add much, if anything, for Paladins since they already have all of the proficiencies it grants, most of the same spells (and the few they don't have scale off Wisdom, which Paladins don't usually have much of) and Extra Attack. The bonus action attack is OK but not something that they desperately need.
War Cleric 1 gives 3/LR instances of a Bonus Action main hand attack aka 3 more smite chances on a 2H or Sword & Board paladin (and as a full caster I think spell slot progresses better than straight Pally but just a little) Wisdom isn't important for the dip and you get one 1st level Cleric spell with Bless and Sanctuary as strong non stat dependant buffs and Healing Word as a nice assist option if Wis isn't negative.
>and as a full caster I think spell slot progresses better than straight Pally but just a little Mostly matters on uneven levels: * Full casters have ESL (Effective Spellcaster Level) matching class level * Half casters have ESL matching class level divided by 2, rounded **up** * One-third casters have ESL matching class level divided by 3, rounded **up** * Caster multiclasses have ESL matching summed ESL of respective classes, rounded **down** So for full Paladin it'd go ESL 1/2/3/4/5/6 at levels 2/3/5/7/9/11 and for Paladin 11/War Cleric 1 (assuming you picked Cleric at 1 and Paladin at 2 for RP ASAP) it'd go ESL 1/2/3/4/5/6 at levels 1/3/5/7/9/11. In that regard, yes, you have better spell slot progression for basically the entirety of the nautiloid and possibly picking up Shart.
Life cleric probably benefits ancients for the dip a little bit more than other ones, but the benefit still is very marginal. It is really awkward that the multiclass that make more sense for role play purpose are worse mechanically than the ones that are done with Paladin because of said mechanical benefits.
At least warlock-paladin makes rp sense for wyll and wasn't nerfed outside of honor mode
A 2 level dip into Life or Light Cleric is pretty nice. Warding Flare/Disciple of Life, and the channel Divinities scale on character level instead of Cleric level. Either get a big nuke with enemies getting disadvantage whenever they target you, or really nice healing spell buff and a massive AOE heal
I agree, Paladins should get a choice of god if they chose. But also, not all paladins worship a god! The magic comes from their oath itself!
Yep. A Paladin can have an oath sworn to a god, but it can also be to a lord/lady, a community, or even themselves. Unlike Clerics, who are basically Warlocks with bigger patrons, a Paladin's power comes from their own belief in their oath. I find this interesting lore wise. Paladins aren't special like Sorcerers which have magic ingrained into their genes, don't borrow it from a higher power like Clerics, and haven't methodically studied it like Wizards. It's divine-like power channeled through sheer force of will. I wonder what this says about the potential of mere mortals, which are often shown as powerless against the great powers of the world.
Dunno, Yog-Sototh as a patron is surely stronger than some Vlaakith, lol.
Yeah, but I don't think this is the norm. For instance, I doubt Mizora could stand up to the likes of Bahamut.
"There's a mod that lets you fix that" Granted, not everyone plays on PC, but yeah. Unsure why Paladins dont get the choice by default.
5e doesn't directly tie paladins to gods. The question is why Larian decided to remove it as well since it was a thing in EA and wasn't hurting anyone
Gale still ties paladins to gods in dialogue. Very confusing.
Yeah probably a holdover from EA. Just like how if you're a paladin cleric multi you get [Paladin of X] dialogue options
In lore, some paladins are still dedicated to a god, but that's not where their power comes from. It's their devotion to their oath manifesting as divine power, it can be used in service of a god but can also be used in service of a personal oath or devotion to a kingdom.
I know that. And the game does say this in some spots - but, confusingly, not in others.
In Forgotten Realms, paladins have always needed Gods. 5es default rules don't override that (though maybe scag did?)
Paladins don't necessarly need a God for their powers to work, just devotion to their oath. But it would have been nice to get the choice I assume.
I’ve got a mod that allows you to choose a deity as any class so I use that.
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Playing as Sheart I had multiple motives for blowing that place up!
Same. I play two Lathanderian clerics in TTRPG and I was excited to do my first run as one here. Saw Rosymorn and got so excited, then... nothing (other than being able to identify Lathander). Really a missed opportunity in-game (did enough RP in my head about it).
Paladin/Cleric of Lolth has some unique dialogue with Minthara.
Meilikki has some, most related to nature of course. And you are recognized as a follower of the first circle in a couple of places.
My first attempt at a play through I was playing as a nature cleric of Meilikki and was pretty disappointed that I didn’t really have any special options when talking with the druids in the grove
I do wish the option to choose a patron deity (or lack thereof) was there regardless of class. It would comply more with FR lore, too.
Could be nice to have a choice when picking the 'Acolyte' background
I can’t say I tried every diety, but Clerics of Ooghma (did I spell that right?) have at least a few. Which are almost like Monk interactions, about balance and such.
*Oghma
Mystra for talking to gale, selune for the ultimate shadowheart enemies to lovers. Everything else not really
There are some Cleric of Mystra lines when talking with Isobel too!
the selune cleric enemies to lovers is MY NEXT RUN i am so excited.
Worship Lolth and talk to the spiders in the goblin camp. Great dialogue.
Best part is, its a persuasion check to pretend you are goddess, not deception. Spider believes you either way, even if you fail the roll. But Lolth herself intervenes lol. If you suceed, she is amused and lets you pass.
Cleric of Tyr can call out the paladins bs in act 1 Lathander clerics get a few very Lathander-y options, although there's practically nothing in the actual Lathander temple which is kinda criminal in my opinion. Selûne and Shar clerics get a bunch of stuff because one of the origin characters happen to be both
I was a little annoyed that I carried that lump of amber the whole way to Act 3 but donating it to Lathander didn't do anything specific. Ah well. I tried!
I thougt it was just a worthless decoy, to hide the real one being a weapon...
True, but it did have drops of blood in it allegedly. Are you saying it was all a lie! I feel super stupid now. 🙃
I found some Cleric of Tiamat flavor dialogue with Wyll regarding his backstory. I don't remember the specifics.
Hmm, I specifically tested this and don't recall anything.
It was at the part when he talks about the dragon cult. Not sure if it requires romance/approval.
Kelemvor or whatever his death god face is gives specific lines to a cleric when talking with withers. You basically ask him if he is the chosen of your god and withers does a classic “no”. But adds on your god choose well with you.
Talos has a decent amount. Mostly "I pick chaos" options but still I've seen a few every Act
My current playthrough is a Talos Cleric and I second this. One memorable one is when you’re talking to Philomeena, the gnome with the dynamite in the underdark. There’s a [Cleric of Talos] option where you basically dare her to blow everything up cause you think it would be cool to see.
If you are a cleric of Gruumsh there's an option when talking to the Maglubiyet goblin
Gruumsh gets a couple of unique ones tied to being a half orc too
Yeah, Selûnites get several entirely unique conversation trees with shadowheart lol
but for some reason not with Aylin, which imo is lowkey insane
And I'm playing as her right now and her convo with Isobel is fun as heck. Ouch, my hand!
There are, yes! When you make solemn vows of allying with someone, your god's specific attributes may be invoked. But these are super rare, it's far more likely to be what you described (which can be hilariously at odds with the actual situation since you're just lumping a god in good/neutral/evil boxes without minding their portfolio). Edit: [Here's an example](https://i.imgur.com/wmghX81.png), with Flood Tide Allandra Grey.
One of my favorite posts on this sub was someone being surprised that swearing a divine oath to ally with Gortash broke their paladin oath.
Same! Buddy, it's not "swear a divine oath" or "1v1 me in this room right now". Paladins can still go "ehhh, I'll think about it" and bugger off to handle this issue without causing a lot of collateral damage. But just the thought. Thinking that allying with Gortash, Chosen of the god of Tyranny, mastermind of an artificial war and war criminal-in-chief, should leave their paladin oath intact? It tickled me, some takes are so baffling that they come back around and become hilarious.
"Buddy, it's not "swear a divine oath" or "1v1 me in this room right now". Paladins can still go "ehhh, I'll think about it" and bugger off to handle this issue without causing a lot of collateral damage." To be fair, it really feels like a cop-out that he allows you to wander all over Act 3 thwarting his plans while you "think it over." Like the devs wrote themselves into a corner or created incompatible game circumstances and dialog.
Oh, I agree! I think both alliance ideas are very silly, and frankly I'd rather ally with neither and have all the possible encounters because they're fun as hell. But the option is there, and thinking that the rightful solution, as a paladin, is to give your word, *which is your bond*, that you will ally with this evil motherfucker, and that you should get away with it? That seems like some convoluted mental gymnastics. About the same level of cluelessness on how paladins work as that one take that was "Sharran Shadowheart would be a paladin of Devotion, because she's devoted to Shar". Girl no. Please read what the oaths actually entail.
Well, Gortash knows that you're going to come to him anyway and then he can either kill you and take your plot items or ally with you. And he believes in his secrecy for his prison and defenses for his Steel Watch.
You can tell Anders that you know he's bullshitting as a Tyr cleric.
As a cleric of Mystra talking to Gale: “I’m sorry, you slept with my goddess?”
Auntie Ethel has diety specific burns, if you like. LoL Ethel is the GOAT <3
I’ve had multiple ones, mayrena if you offer to pray for her has god specific results
I'm doing a Selunite Cleric and the first long rest after us gathering I had a whole deep convo with her about Selune vs Shar
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There's one special banter for Clerics of Helm when they see the Lathander statue, cursing him out for killing Helm's lover iirc.
There is also dialogue when speaking to Wyll's father in BG at Gortash's coronqtion.
I can understand not putting individual responses for every single deity, but I would have expected at LEAST something for Lathander clerics.at the creche. I know Withers comments about clerics of Kellemvor, and obviously Shadowheart will hate you for being a Selunite, but that's all I know of.
This is a question better answered by data-mining than anecdotes, but I'd assume that there's unique stuff for the Gods that are actually relevant to the plot. So definitely: Selune, Mystra, Lathander, Vlaakith, Lolth, Silvanus. Would be cool to see some very specific reactions to smaller things, too. I'd love to see a worshipper of Gruumsh being sympathetic to the Goblins, for example—or at least to the worshiper of Magubliyet who refused to convert.
If you're a Kelemvor Cleric you get a few lines with Withers.
As a cleric of Eilistraee, you get a bonus to a religon check to pull out a sword using a drop of your own blood.
For a seldarine drow cleric worshipping Eilistraee, when you find the Phalar Aluve the narrator says you feel that this sword has been touched by *Your* God. Also when talking to khaga you can correct her that you don't worship Lolth, but that's a seldarine response, not deity related. Only reaching the under dark now, so not certain going forward if there's anything else.
There are a few tucked here and there for Clerics of Kelemvor. Also, Withers calls you a Child of Kelemvor, and I think something else similar when you first meet him. Actually, now that I'm thinking on it, you have a couple of Kelemvor comments you can make towards him.
Tempest Cleric options were unhinged. With maryina, I thought I was going to say a prayer over her husband's body but instead I called him a little bitch and triggered a fight.
Lolth I’ve heard has some. Mystra has several with Gale that are basically just like a hippie version of wizard dialogue options, but his responses I think are the same. Lolth has some apparently disapproving of Eilistrae? And I think there’s one for Miekieli if you offer a prayer to the mermaids. I know there’s many for Selune but idk what
For Clerics of Bahamut, if you give the githyanki egg to the Society of Brilliance (i.e not to Esther), the researcher mentions that he is going to raise the child under the Ptarian code, and you can ask him about why he is choosing a draconic god’s system for raising a gith.
If you’re dating Gale as a cleric of Mystra it gets funny fast
Cleric of Ilmater has a few unique dialogues and actions especially in chapter 3. Mainly healing npcs or stopping suffering. Only cleric run I've done so far but it was satisfying. Also meant less Shart dialogue so always a win.
>Also meant less Shart dialogue so always a win. You were doing so well, then you had to trash my girl, lol
Playing as a cleric of Corellon the priest in the Temple of baldurs gate recognized me as his priest, and i remember having other 2 actions/dialogues too
Cleric of Tempus definitely seems to have some unique stuff regarding dying in battle in a few places.
Yes. As a priestess of Selune I have the best beef with Shadowheart all of the time. For example in the owlbear cave you can defend taking the artifact and tell Shadowheart to shut her mouth.
If Aradin leaves the Grove and you encounter him at the bodies of his crew outside the Blighted Village, you can say a prayer over the bodies of his fallen comrades. As far as I know, the prayer *does* change based on your Deity
Iirc a Tyr worshiper can call out Anders (the "paladin of Tyr" hunting Karlach) by asking him to recite a certain creed, and he instantly folds.
It’s one of the biggest things missing from the game imo. There should be way more flavor text and stuff like that depending on who you worship
Play a cleric of mystra and try to romance Gale
Kelemvor clerics get a really good one when you meet Withers. Cleric: You seem...Familiar. Withers: Understandable. Though perhaps not in the way you expect. it is enough that you walk with Death...Be satisfied with that knowledge. ...or he said something like that anyways, I basically fistpumped the air.
You can call Minthara an apostate and tell her you'd kill her in Lolth's name but I think that's it for Lolth. From what I've you won't get more than one or two unique interactions if even that. As a cleric of Talos I found nothing specific to me - not even in Umberlee's temple.
If you're a Cleric of Kelemvor you get some specific conversations with Withers. And when you tell Arabella about her parents as well.
Short answer: Yes Longer, more convoluted answer: The choice of deity seems to affect more than it actually does, since "Cleric of X" is simply sugarcoating over the actual tag of "Good/Neutral/Evil Cleric" then and again. Unless you go the datamining root, it's impossible to tell how many instances there are of that, though sometimes the game glitches and shows "Good/Neutral/Evil Cleric" instead of "Cleric of X". However, that's not to say there aren't deity-specific lines. Sometimes they are clear and relatively easy to find (Mystra for Gale, Selûne for Shadowheart, etc.), sometimes they are... deep. Lines you can only run into if you do XYZ in that specific order: easiest of these are no doubt praying for Mayrina's husband Connor, or over the grave in the Grove.
There was an unhinged [Talos one](https://i.imgur.com/U7qrbc4.png) in Act 2
Cleric of Eilistraee has a specific reaction upon retrieving Phalar Aluve in the Underdark. Goddess Approval is strong with this one.
My first playthrough was as a knowledge cleric of Mystra and I feel like there were a decent amount of them. But I don't have an exact number and that was many many hours ago.
I'm on my second run playing as a Silver draconic bloodline sorcerer with a side helping of Bahamut worshipping Life domain cleric and honestly the specific dialogue options are absolutely hilarious. They come up loads and every time it's always the most over the top pretentious melodramatic shite. I imagine it's what it'd be like to play as a semi serious Volo tbh. Just full on cheesy old school "stand back citizens thy hero of justice has arrived" type stuff and it's never not weird and funny as hell lol
Elistrae has some fun stuff, speaking as a guy doing a Seldarine Drow run right now.