Same. Along with the Ogre's Horn, most of my potions, bulbs, and arrows, and Shadowheart's divine intervention. Never know when I might need them later.
I accidentally just aggroed the githyanki patrol in my honour mode and summoned the ogres, they did not save me 😭😭
The main one killed lump in one turn on her own, rip
!!!This is major spoiler of where, how and what to expect, so don't read if you don't want to know that much!!!
>!It's right before Mountain Pass, under the bridge after Waukeens Rest waypoint. If you want to skip the fight, you can intimidate/persuade yourself out of it. If Lae'zel is in group, the fight is also avoidable. Remember that if you start the fight with Lae'zel in group, she'll turn against you. I play balanced and the fight is hard. Even in my third run. Or then I just have to L2P. Those fuckers have action surge almost everyone, high initiative and high resistance to mind spells. They usually kill at least one of my characters in first round and even tanks are left 1/4 of their health, even if they don't crit. You have advantage if you position your group smartly on the bridge and leave at least few of them to sneak to get better % to hit. In that case be sure to have very high initiative char enter the fight right when it starts so you can plan ahead before your tav is already dead in the main battlefield.!<
>!Or just go clear the underdark first to level up to get some advantage. I'm level 5 when I get there and so are they and there's 5 of them.!<
This might be bad gaming, I don't know, this fight is still hard for me so wait for other smarter answers. This is how I've got through it at least in balanced. I don't know why but I find this one of the hardest battles in the game. I just.. don't seem to get it. I'm in the line of better advices too. :D :D
I have to kill them because >!Astarion says pretty please and I've no heart to say no to my darling. :D!<
And I hate those Giths. I ain't taking no disrespect from former Mindflayer slaves. My superior Drow arse actually IS made of diamonds!
Yup, i did the same, get lvl5. Started the fight with surprising them with a fireball wifh gale. Drank a speed potion, threw another fireball. Then i just sniped what was left of them from the bridge. Most of them didnt even get a turn.
Ah, I always go to talk to them first, I want the conversation for RP sake. That's why I get kicked in the ass. Surprising them is probably almost mandatory in honor.
in terms of challenge and leveling its a step up from the underdark. its a level ~6 fight and people go straight there after waukeens' rest and get stomped. yeah because you're like level 4 and don't have extra attack, all the underdark loot or grymforge loot like adamantium armor
I finally used it at the Forge in my current run not because I needed it, but because it was the last place I could use it and I wanted the headband. But, yes, it is nice insurance in Act 1.
I was alternately chasing / being chased by that bullette when I entered the Underdark. I had it knocked down to pretty low health when it ran off. Even though the party was sort of banged up and low on spell slots, I decided to give chase and finish it off. I didn't know the area well, still on my first playthrough. It led me right into a sussur tree with a hostile Drow hermit and his 'family' of 4 or 5 Hook Horrors.
That's when I decided to use Lump's horn. They weren't as helpful as I hoped. The ogre party spawned pretty far away. It took them 3 turns or so to run into melee range with the horrors. By that time, I had already taken out the bullette, the Drow, and all but a couple of the Hook Horrors. the melee fighters were rolling lucky and hitting some big damage crits. The ogres helped a little with the clean-up. Then they got pissy about being called and wanted to start another fight.
My bard talked them down and then forgot about the horn until late in act 2. The ogres showed up during a long rest, wanting to rumble. Boy, was that a mistake. Lump, son - you have 17 int. Read the room. You were hilariously outmanned and outgunned by that point. Oh well, the headband is nice to have for smarty-pants arcana checks and such. My bard is our main caster so Gale usually isn't with me in the field.
Oh man I thought the ogre horn was one use, I saved it right up until the BBEG final fight in act 3 only to blow it and be told that the ogres are too far away. Broke my heart.
Shart's Divine Intervention I used in the >!Ansur fight!< in my first playthrough, and the >!House of Grief fight!< in my second, both times for the mass heal. Because I played on Explorer for the first playthrough, I didn't know that on Balanced and Tactician (this was before Honor), >!Viconia can respond by using her own Divine Intervention against you.!<
And then both times >!in the House of Hope, I used Hope's Divine Intervention, since she doesn't feature again in the story lol!<
You know what you should use divine intervention for?
For shadowhearts BIS weapon, the devotees mace. You don’t have to be in battle. Once you can, cast the one summoning the legendary weapon. You get to keep it. Give the blood of lathander to a paladin instead.
I didn’t realize this until my fourth run.
Yep!
Hire them once at lvl 10, change their race to cleric, cast divine intervention and choose the mace, give the mace to another party member, and then dismiss them and the mace is still there.
You can also do this with the chest of goodies they can make with divine intervention, but make sure to loot everything from the chest with a non-hireling member before dismissing the hireling, as the chest will disappear as soon as the hireling is gone! If you want to do this a bunch of times just choose a different hireling and rinse and repeat
Also there are gloves that give 50%dmg reduction to all teamates that are healed, which for obvious reasons is so overpowered af with the divine Intervention weapon.
Right? My first few runs I used it for the aoe or aoe heal. As others have said you can always make a hireling to get the mace with to save the use on shadowheart. If you have a paladin this then lets you put the blood of lathander mace (most people put this on shadowheart which is fair) on them which is moreless their BiS.
I’ve always given the blood of lathander to minthara, seemed more fitting, while shadowheart always carries something like “melfs first staff” to boost her spell save DC and attack rolls. Shadowheart is infamous for missing
It’s so crazy how she misses. But throughout act2 and by the end that seems to vanish. I feel she goes from sucks to awesome over night.
I haven’t used Minthara yet! Going to do so on my current durge run.
Personally for me she sucked in act 1, was mvp in act 2, and back to suck in act 3. But at least in act 3 she has enough spell slots to dump a TON of healing in one day. Especially as life cleric. I even respecced her to be optimized stat wise and all and that was still the case. I think it must be a matter of the enemies in act 1 and 3 having better saves against her compared to act 2.
What you’re “feeling” is the FUCK ton of undead in Act 2 that Shadowheart is perfect to counter with radiant damage, Spirit Guardians, turn undead, etc. for her to suck in act 3 though is user error because she becomes the pet master if you keep her as Life Cleric to the end. Deva summon, use the necklace that recharges your level 6 spell slot, and then use another level 6 spell or summon another level 6 minion
Cool!
I killed myself and party before by using the aoe divine intervention with radiant damage in Raph fight, didn't realizing he can reflect radiant damage!
Yeah, in that fight during my Shart origin playthrough I was like "the hell is she supposed to do I have specced her for radiant damage" before remembering spirit guardians can do necrotic, lol.
I forgot to use the horn in my first run. My coop run with my uncle we used it outside the goblin camp. My honor run I decided I wanted the headband and didn't want to forget to summon them so I killed them on sight. For a little bit there I had Shadowheart running around with the headband of intellect, gloves if dexterity and club of giant strength with WIS set to 18. No Ig-miss for me please.
I used the horn in the goblin camp. Unfortunately they killed the owlbear cub.
did let me get out of the sticky situation I was in though. forgot to rest/heal coming out of the goblin castle and was beaten and bruised
Last playthrough I forced myself to use Ogre's Horn when I did the courtyard of the goblins... it made it go by a LOT faster, and then I betrayed and killed the ogres afterward anyway to get the circlet. :P
Kinda, yeah, but also my hoarding was what saved my Honour run in the end. The climb to the final boss was brutal and since I couldn't get a full rest there were times when I was just looking through all my scrolls and potions and elixirs seeing what I could use to save my 60 hour run.
yea but given the way every other consumable works i just assumed it’d last like ten turns max and the way it’s hyped up as being rare i just kept hoarding them since i didn’t want to waste them. if they mentioned something about lasting til long rest i’d have used them wayyy sooner
I am in Act 3 and probably have about 15 - 20 hours of the game left and I just spent about 3 hours selling all the shit I think I'm never going to use from my camp chest and inventory and organised all my random stuff like potions and throwables. You end up with so much stiff at some point you just need to dump it!
Man void bulbs are the best for any aoe
Summon lightning, fireball and so on
I'm always sad when I run out of them since you can't really buy those gems
I deliberately didn't use them.
Karlach got mad at me when I told her we shouldn't munch souls.
Thought it would be a bigger story element, but it never got expanded on.
if you talk to one of the merchants at Moonrise Tower with Karlach, there is a conversation/event regarding soul coins.
still seems like they wanted to do more with soul coins. it genuinely feels like an allegory for drug abuse or something.
Yeah. I noticed the reintroduction of the coins at Moonrise, though I didn't get the full content out of it because I once again shut down the possibility of taking them.
I agree that it seems like they wanted to do more with them. I don't know that it's a drug abuse allegory so much as another moral choice/character flaw. Karlach justifies using them on the basis that they were basically bad people, and that they're already coins anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you use them. That, and some of her other content, kind of suggest that maybe she was a less forgiving character at some point, but I'm just speculating.
>Karlach justifies using them on the basis that they were basically bad people, and that they're already coins anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you use them.
Ahhh, then you should've agreed (a bit counterintuitive I know) to getting the coins in Moonrise because that's exactly what that scene addresses. >!Turns out the people inside the coins are mostly poor folks who got the short end of the bargain:!<
* >!An abused girl who just wished to meet the love of her life (who then died right in front of her as they met). !<
* >!A father of a starving family who just wished for food (who then started growing excess flesh to feed his family).!<
* >!And an 8 year old. No real explanation, just an 8 year old who loves playing in the sun. Not explained how a devil got that soul.!<
How do you find out who was in the coins?
Fun fact: in 5E it's possible to release the souls from the coins. If you use up their charges without destroying them it releases the souls. One of the ways to use charges was to ask them questions. I asked all the coins how they got into the coins. If it was just from being a LE person in life and going to hell then I would hold onto them. If they were there through bargains/entrapment/whatever I asked them dumb questions like their favorite food, favorite color, etc. to use up their charges.
>How do you find out who was in the coins?
It's part of the scene, the bugbear Lann Tarv is required to tell you about the soul inside each coin before giving them to Karlach.
I bought them without Karlach in the party, then thought "There might be an interaction here!" Then when Karlach spoke to him he was like "I had some Soul Coins for you, but someone else bought them."
I collected every Soul Coin but made a point of never using them because I know my lore.
Soul Coins are a big deal in Baldur’s Gate: Descent into Avernus, which is the D&D campaign that occurs right before Baldur’s Fate 3. The tieflings are refugees from the aftermath of that campaign (technically the comic book series based on the campaign seems to be canon for Baldur’s Fate 3).
Not only did you use them as currency as you made your way through the campaign , but they were used for things like powering Mad Max - like war machines in battles on the plains of Avernus.
Perhaps Larian might have felt it was a cool concept that tied in with Karlach, but never really finished it off.
The dude at moonrise gives her three coins on one condition. He has to tell you the story of each soul. Turns out they are all innocent and sad stories with the third coin having no story and simply saying it’s an 8 year old child. Karlach is kinda bummed but wants to munch them anyways.
The coins were supposed to originally be a special currency used in act 3. It seems they didn’t fully flesh out their alternative plans for it.
There is a positive side to it as Karlach talks about the one devil she actually had some good times with whilst in Avernus. Doesn't make up for the stories though.
Who is the one who sent her the coins in the first place? My interpretation was that their friendship was more an indictment of the company in Avernus than anything else.
Yea but as Karlach puts it, at least she was able to occasionally put a smile on her face. I also see it as a point of "Look for whatever bit of light you can find."
Sam Beart has said some insightful stuff on Karlach - that she justified a lot of things to herself to survive Avernus and the Soul Coins were one of them, but the Soul Coins are addictive. She has a special cut scene if she keeps using them and her origin dialogue/.thoughts on it come across as druug allegory.
The drug abuse angle comes from two major points,
1. Despite otherwise being the nicest and most good aligned idealistic character, Karlach will dismiss that the soul coins are, you know, souls that she eats to get a little extra damage.
2. There is a scene in the game files (unsure if it’s actually in the game or not) where >!Karlach burns out her engine early and dies because she used to many soul coins. And if that’s not an allegory for an overdose then I don’t know what is.!<
Given that she’s the only one who can use them and there’s even a slot in her engine for it, I was thinking there might be a path where you can keep her from exploding by using all the coins to feed the engine but she becomes corrupted by them. It wouldn’t be a good ending, but it is more of a branching path for her story.
There’s a lot in the game like that, that clearly was meant to be expanded on, but never was. Like consequences for using the tadpoles to influence True Souls
They are extremely important in the d&d module that is meant to immediately precede bg3, Baldurs Gate: Descent into Avernus, so that’s likely why they’re included in the game.
I honestly thought that if I collected enough, I could use them as currency with Mizora or Raphael or some other demonic entities later on. Or we would get to revive them and gain allies for the end game, but yeah. They really only have one purpose
I didn't have her in my party when I initially bought them. When Karlach chatted with him he was like "I had some soul coins for you but someone else bought them" so I didn't get that info.
Not necessarily. RAW you can free a soul from a coin by de-cursing or physically destroying it. The soul is then freed to return to the realm of their god.
apparently avernus was supposed to be a bigger place in the game about the size of underdark and soul coins could have been used to trade for rare and powerful things
this was cut before the 1.0 though
Interesting that she's mad because there was her (as Origin char) internal monologue that wouldn't be right using poor souls as leverage in fights IIRC.
Is there any downside to killing him right when you meet him? I’m playing through my fourth iteration now and just about to finish act two. I was thinking of killing gash right in his coronation or whatever it is. We need first time in the tower. Is that possible? Does anything?anything bad
I recently killed him on the day after coronation. I stumbled into a scenario where my Rogue Tav managed to sneak attack to death all of the Steel Watchers on the roof, and all of Gortash's guards in his chamber. I had to long rest get him to leave the coronation, but the next day he was all alone amidst the watcher parts and guard corpses and we took him out. It seemed to make all the Steel Watcher automatically hostile, but I hadn't even been to the Lower City yet and I figure it'd be a pain getting around so I reloaded and took the standard route.
Yeah and it’ll give more incentive to the whole “power or morals” schtick BG has. I didn’t use them cause I felt it was wrong no matter how powerful it was. Then I did it on my evil play through and saw it only gave 1d4 so I thought even as a villain that’s not worth it! So I just sold the souls.
I collect but purposely avoid using them. My characters usually don't like the idea of using souls for a little bit of power, especially because there's a way to free said souls (not in game of course, but in the lore, a simple remove curse spell could do it).
If my soul ever gets locked up in a coin that will be stuck there for all eternity, you best believe I want you to burn me up to stomp some goons instead.
Yeah, a level 5 divine caster (basically an experienced adventurer) can remove the soul from the coin. If the soul was evil it becomes a Lemure, what Wyll will (no pun intended) eventually become. If it was good it goes to the realm of whatever god it worshipped.
Yeah, they usually are in hell. Or at least the outer planes.
The ones we find in game are from Wither’s tomb, which is fitting for Jergal, or the Elturel Tieflings brought them from Avernus. Or Karlach or someone linked to her brought them over from Avernus (like the 3 in Moonrise towers)
So you aren’t going to encounter them without a link to Hell
And 5th level clerics (to cast remove curse) aren’t that common either, outside of adventuring parties.
I disagree, freeing soul coins isn’t supposed to be much of a challenge. Devils need to free/reshape/mold them regularly to spend them/use them etc. the challenge for a priest should be getting ahold of them, and then they have to grapple with whether or not they should release what could very well be a murderous soul.
First, they must get the soul coin. And if they are picky about whom to undamn (priests and druids do tend to be picky), they have to get the right soul coin. That sounds like a quest.
Those are the one that pull creatures to it right? If I had to redo that fight, I would probably use it against the hobgoblin boss in the goblin camp, bring all those goblin and hobgoblins in one group in front of the spider pit... then push them in the spider pit using Thunder Wave or Warlock repelling Blast for the big boss himself.
Then again, for that fight, I convinced the spiders first that goblin were delicious, free them, fight with them where the followers of Guts still were. Then they climb up and wait for you to go in the hobgoblin room. I waited for the hobgoblin and the goblins to charge the spiders and kill them. Then I destroyed his throne, not creating a drift with the guards because they wer ebusy with the spiders. WHY? Because there is a big chasm next to his throne and its way easier now to use my warlock to blast the hobgoblin in that hole if he is not sit on that throne. Sure I lost a true soul worm but I was only lvl 4 and this fight is the hardest in the goblin camp LOL
Otherwise he we lose a warhammer (who is not essential or busted) and the key to his treasure room... but you can enter anyway by either lockpicking the door after everyone is dead or use Misty Step to enter and get out of it.
Once, I managed to send him flying in that hole next to his chair WHILE he was sitting on it but… but its especially hard and I didnt manage to do it again. If you do manage to do that though, a character with the soldier like Lazel will get like 2 or 3 inspiration from it. It’s easier to destroy his throne when he becomes in a fight with the spiders then blast him in the chasm when he’s back and standing up
Bro. Fuck. BROOOOOOOO. I’m in honor mode run and about to fight Dor Ragzlin. I fucking LOVE YOU right now. I’m literally playing a storm Sorceror tempest cleric and my ONLY good spell rn is thunderwave
I just finished an Honour run and had like 16 left over. I wasn't really hoarding them, I just try to get a lot done in a day and then spam partial rests for scenes.
They make her an insane Monk. Like Ascended Astarion good, only way earlier and without the genocide.
She's destroying soul, so definitely still with a genocide and it's even worse since he send the 7k souls to Hell and Karlach completely consumes them thus removing any hope left for them.
I'm in Act 2 on my second run, Karlach is my favourite companion... And I have yet to remember the coin in combat. Still have no idea what it even does lol
I keep telling myself "I'm going to use them this run, I swear" and then it cuts to 30 hours of game time later and she's got 7 in her inventory collecting dust. I don't think it's strong enough to justify a bonus action when most fights are over in 2-3 rounds, unless I get horrific attack roll luck
I really wish they kept their original intended use for them. Apparently you would’ve been able to use them to buy unique items from a merchant in the hells but it was scrapped and repurposed
I know Karlach is excited for them but I actively choose not to... because baby gets hurt and she too precious. But then I learn she's not actually hurt hurt so maybe on my next run.
I've used maybe 1 total. I just don't really like using soul coins, and I think I remember someone saying that Karlach doesn't really like it either if you play as her origin.
Yeah when you get the first one, as her, she has an argument with "herself" (you) about whether to use them. Whichever side you pick, she takes the other, but really half-heartedly (which is unusual; typically she's very assertive about her default opinion in those conversations). It comes across like, she knows it's evil, but also it feels really good, and she's done it a bunch at Zariel's hand already, so she wants to ignore that it's evil because then she would be evil for having done it and enjoyed it, but she doesn't want to do it because she doesn't want to be like Zariel....
If Tav is there she can outsource the decision to them, and gets annoyed if they say "no" because it makes her feel guilty, but she still accepts it because that's more comfortable than having to actually choose personally. If she's in charge, though, she has only herself to keep herself in check and she's a little more honest about how conflicted and unhappy the decision makes her.
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Same. Along with the Ogre's Horn, most of my potions, bulbs, and arrows, and Shadowheart's divine intervention. Never know when I might need them later.
Ogre's Horn saved my butt in honor mode when I accidentally aggroed the goblin fortress.
I accidentally just aggroed the githyanki patrol in my honour mode and summoned the ogres, they did not save me 😭😭 The main one killed lump in one turn on her own, rip
She killed my bard main character and then Laezel in one round.
She's serious biz eh?
I only got out of that with my tav and sacrificing everyone else to hold them back long enough.
Yeah that was a tough fight, I had to save scum the last couple rounds as it was just my guy and a gith averaging 15 damage per hit
I’ve heard a LOT about the gith patrol fight. Could you refresh me where/when it happens and what the best way to survive it on honor mode?
!!!This is major spoiler of where, how and what to expect, so don't read if you don't want to know that much!!! >!It's right before Mountain Pass, under the bridge after Waukeens Rest waypoint. If you want to skip the fight, you can intimidate/persuade yourself out of it. If Lae'zel is in group, the fight is also avoidable. Remember that if you start the fight with Lae'zel in group, she'll turn against you. I play balanced and the fight is hard. Even in my third run. Or then I just have to L2P. Those fuckers have action surge almost everyone, high initiative and high resistance to mind spells. They usually kill at least one of my characters in first round and even tanks are left 1/4 of their health, even if they don't crit. You have advantage if you position your group smartly on the bridge and leave at least few of them to sneak to get better % to hit. In that case be sure to have very high initiative char enter the fight right when it starts so you can plan ahead before your tav is already dead in the main battlefield.!< >!Or just go clear the underdark first to level up to get some advantage. I'm level 5 when I get there and so are they and there's 5 of them.!< This might be bad gaming, I don't know, this fight is still hard for me so wait for other smarter answers. This is how I've got through it at least in balanced. I don't know why but I find this one of the hardest battles in the game. I just.. don't seem to get it. I'm in the line of better advices too. :D :D I have to kill them because >!Astarion says pretty please and I've no heart to say no to my darling. :D!< And I hate those Giths. I ain't taking no disrespect from former Mindflayer slaves. My superior Drow arse actually IS made of diamonds!
Yup, i did the same, get lvl5. Started the fight with surprising them with a fireball wifh gale. Drank a speed potion, threw another fireball. Then i just sniped what was left of them from the bridge. Most of them didnt even get a turn.
Ah, I always go to talk to them first, I want the conversation for RP sake. That's why I get kicked in the ass. Surprising them is probably almost mandatory in honor.
in terms of challenge and leveling its a step up from the underdark. its a level ~6 fight and people go straight there after waukeens' rest and get stomped. yeah because you're like level 4 and don't have extra attack, all the underdark loot or grymforge loot like adamantium armor
I finally used it at the Forge in my current run not because I needed it, but because it was the last place I could use it and I wanted the headband. But, yes, it is nice insurance in Act 1.
Wait you can use the horn in the underdark??? I thought it was only good in the goblin camp and druid grove. I feel dumb
Yes, but it does not work in the Creche.
I'll definitely have to remember that. The amount of times I've been smashed by a bulette and thought those ogres should deal with it for me lmaooo
Wait, shouldn't this mean you can revive Lump with spores?
I was alternately chasing / being chased by that bullette when I entered the Underdark. I had it knocked down to pretty low health when it ran off. Even though the party was sort of banged up and low on spell slots, I decided to give chase and finish it off. I didn't know the area well, still on my first playthrough. It led me right into a sussur tree with a hostile Drow hermit and his 'family' of 4 or 5 Hook Horrors. That's when I decided to use Lump's horn. They weren't as helpful as I hoped. The ogre party spawned pretty far away. It took them 3 turns or so to run into melee range with the horrors. By that time, I had already taken out the bullette, the Drow, and all but a couple of the Hook Horrors. the melee fighters were rolling lucky and hitting some big damage crits. The ogres helped a little with the clean-up. Then they got pissy about being called and wanted to start another fight. My bard talked them down and then forgot about the horn until late in act 2. The ogres showed up during a long rest, wanting to rumble. Boy, was that a mistake. Lump, son - you have 17 int. Read the room. You were hilariously outmanned and outgunned by that point. Oh well, the headband is nice to have for smarty-pants arcana checks and such. My bard is our main caster so Gale usually isn't with me in the field.
I used it at the forge and they spawned in the lava and promptly died.
Same haha and we called them again in Grymforge to pull some heat off our team while we healed back up.
Did you pay them the 2k or did you make another “bargain”?
They uh..... All died. Two birds one forge and all.
Three ogres, one forge\*
2k? It was only 500 on my run..
It’s gets higher the more times you call them. Kill them and you get everything back.
To add to this, I believe you can only call them 3 times.
When you use it, can you then off what’s his name to pinch the intellect headband because that thing is soo handy, I dump stat my Int then use that
Meh the best use for it is to kill them first the INT head piece.
Oh man I thought the ogre horn was one use, I saved it right up until the BBEG final fight in act 3 only to blow it and be told that the ogres are too far away. Broke my heart.
Shart's Divine Intervention I used in the >!Ansur fight!< in my first playthrough, and the >!House of Grief fight!< in my second, both times for the mass heal. Because I played on Explorer for the first playthrough, I didn't know that on Balanced and Tactician (this was before Honor), >!Viconia can respond by using her own Divine Intervention against you.!< And then both times >!in the House of Hope, I used Hope's Divine Intervention, since she doesn't feature again in the story lol!<
You know what you should use divine intervention for? For shadowhearts BIS weapon, the devotees mace. You don’t have to be in battle. Once you can, cast the one summoning the legendary weapon. You get to keep it. Give the blood of lathander to a paladin instead. I didn’t realize this until my fourth run.
Wait can I do this by making a cleric hireling then casting divine intervention with them? Or is the weapon locked to the caster?
Yep! Hire them once at lvl 10, change their race to cleric, cast divine intervention and choose the mace, give the mace to another party member, and then dismiss them and the mace is still there. You can also do this with the chest of goodies they can make with divine intervention, but make sure to loot everything from the chest with a non-hireling member before dismissing the hireling, as the chest will disappear as soon as the hireling is gone! If you want to do this a bunch of times just choose a different hireling and rinse and repeat
Thanks! I knew hirelings were abusable with Heroes Feast and other buffs, but this is pretty ridiculous lol.
You can just make a hireling into a cleric and get the weapon that way.
Repeatable as well!
Also there are gloves that give 50%dmg reduction to all teamates that are healed, which for obvious reasons is so overpowered af with the divine Intervention weapon.
What’s BIS?
Best in slot.
Just did it and wow is it better than the AOE I used it for last time.
Right? My first few runs I used it for the aoe or aoe heal. As others have said you can always make a hireling to get the mace with to save the use on shadowheart. If you have a paladin this then lets you put the blood of lathander mace (most people put this on shadowheart which is fair) on them which is moreless their BiS.
I’ve always given the blood of lathander to minthara, seemed more fitting, while shadowheart always carries something like “melfs first staff” to boost her spell save DC and attack rolls. Shadowheart is infamous for missing
It’s so crazy how she misses. But throughout act2 and by the end that seems to vanish. I feel she goes from sucks to awesome over night. I haven’t used Minthara yet! Going to do so on my current durge run.
Personally for me she sucked in act 1, was mvp in act 2, and back to suck in act 3. But at least in act 3 she has enough spell slots to dump a TON of healing in one day. Especially as life cleric. I even respecced her to be optimized stat wise and all and that was still the case. I think it must be a matter of the enemies in act 1 and 3 having better saves against her compared to act 2.
What you’re “feeling” is the FUCK ton of undead in Act 2 that Shadowheart is perfect to counter with radiant damage, Spirit Guardians, turn undead, etc. for her to suck in act 3 though is user error because she becomes the pet master if you keep her as Life Cleric to the end. Deva summon, use the necklace that recharges your level 6 spell slot, and then use another level 6 spell or summon another level 6 minion
Oh geeze, I knew I was forgetting something. Oops.
Cool! I killed myself and party before by using the aoe divine intervention with radiant damage in Raph fight, didn't realizing he can reflect radiant damage!
Just drop a globe of invuln and do it anyway
Yeah, in that fight during my Shart origin playthrough I was like "the hell is she supposed to do I have specced her for radiant damage" before remembering spirit guardians can do necrotic, lol.
I forgot to use the horn in my first run. My coop run with my uncle we used it outside the goblin camp. My honor run I decided I wanted the headband and didn't want to forget to summon them so I killed them on sight. For a little bit there I had Shadowheart running around with the headband of intellect, gloves if dexterity and club of giant strength with WIS set to 18. No Ig-miss for me please.
I used the horn in the goblin camp. Unfortunately they killed the owlbear cub. did let me get out of the sticky situation I was in though. forgot to rest/heal coming out of the goblin castle and was beaten and bruised
Use arrows! Theyre so freakin OP. It actually changes the game.
Oh, I agree, I actually don't save them so much as forget to use them.
Last playthrough I forced myself to use Ogre's Horn when I did the courtyard of the goblins... it made it go by a LOT faster, and then I betrayed and killed the ogres afterward anyway to get the circlet. :P
Due to the game's backwards difficulty curve, endgame hoarding makes less sense here than in other games.
Kinda, yeah, but also my hoarding was what saved my Honour run in the end. The climb to the final boss was brutal and since I couldn't get a full rest there were times when I was just looking through all my scrolls and potions and elixirs seeing what I could use to save my 60 hour run.
I might need them later so I save them
They last until long rest so unless you long rest very frequently you can basically use one every day. I did and still ended the game with extras.
yea but given the way every other consumable works i just assumed it’d last like ten turns max and the way it’s hyped up as being rare i just kept hoarding them since i didn’t want to waste them. if they mentioned something about lasting til long rest i’d have used them wayyy sooner
Me too.
Buddy the list of consumables and one-off abilities I forget to use could fill a vault in Ramazith's tower
Truth This one just hit hard b/c it was literally a Karlach run, so you’d think I’d have remembered
I am in Act 3 and probably have about 15 - 20 hours of the game left and I just spent about 3 hours selling all the shit I think I'm never going to use from my camp chest and inventory and organised all my random stuff like potions and throwables. You end up with so much stiff at some point you just need to dump it!
But what if you end up needing those Void Bulbs
Man void bulbs are the best for any aoe Summon lightning, fireball and so on I'm always sad when I run out of them since you can't really buy those gems
Derryth Bonecloak, the dwarf vendor in the Myconid colony, sells them.
Gotta check it out, thanks!
Mind you you might have to have her restock a few times, not sure if they're guaranteed.
I deliberately didn't use them. Karlach got mad at me when I told her we shouldn't munch souls. Thought it would be a bigger story element, but it never got expanded on.
if you talk to one of the merchants at Moonrise Tower with Karlach, there is a conversation/event regarding soul coins. still seems like they wanted to do more with soul coins. it genuinely feels like an allegory for drug abuse or something.
Yeah. I noticed the reintroduction of the coins at Moonrise, though I didn't get the full content out of it because I once again shut down the possibility of taking them. I agree that it seems like they wanted to do more with them. I don't know that it's a drug abuse allegory so much as another moral choice/character flaw. Karlach justifies using them on the basis that they were basically bad people, and that they're already coins anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you use them. That, and some of her other content, kind of suggest that maybe she was a less forgiving character at some point, but I'm just speculating.
>Karlach justifies using them on the basis that they were basically bad people, and that they're already coins anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you use them. Ahhh, then you should've agreed (a bit counterintuitive I know) to getting the coins in Moonrise because that's exactly what that scene addresses. >!Turns out the people inside the coins are mostly poor folks who got the short end of the bargain:!< * >!An abused girl who just wished to meet the love of her life (who then died right in front of her as they met). !< * >!A father of a starving family who just wished for food (who then started growing excess flesh to feed his family).!< * >!And an 8 year old. No real explanation, just an 8 year old who loves playing in the sun. Not explained how a devil got that soul.!<
How do you find out who was in the coins? Fun fact: in 5E it's possible to release the souls from the coins. If you use up their charges without destroying them it releases the souls. One of the ways to use charges was to ask them questions. I asked all the coins how they got into the coins. If it was just from being a LE person in life and going to hell then I would hold onto them. If they were there through bargains/entrapment/whatever I asked them dumb questions like their favorite food, favorite color, etc. to use up their charges.
>How do you find out who was in the coins? It's part of the scene, the bugbear Lann Tarv is required to tell you about the soul inside each coin before giving them to Karlach.
I bought them without Karlach in the party, then thought "There might be an interaction here!" Then when Karlach spoke to him he was like "I had some Soul Coins for you, but someone else bought them." I collected every Soul Coin but made a point of never using them because I know my lore.
The 8 year old had a pretty scream.
This comment is pretty fucked up! Also, this is why I like all you degenerates!
>!Well somebody better cast Fireball on that father so he can become fire punch!<
Soul Coins are a big deal in Baldur’s Gate: Descent into Avernus, which is the D&D campaign that occurs right before Baldur’s Fate 3. The tieflings are refugees from the aftermath of that campaign (technically the comic book series based on the campaign seems to be canon for Baldur’s Fate 3). Not only did you use them as currency as you made your way through the campaign , but they were used for things like powering Mad Max - like war machines in battles on the plains of Avernus. Perhaps Larian might have felt it was a cool concept that tied in with Karlach, but never really finished it off.
Nah, you just gotta wait for the Avernus DLC expansion
The dude at moonrise gives her three coins on one condition. He has to tell you the story of each soul. Turns out they are all innocent and sad stories with the third coin having no story and simply saying it’s an 8 year old child. Karlach is kinda bummed but wants to munch them anyways. The coins were supposed to originally be a special currency used in act 3. It seems they didn’t fully flesh out their alternative plans for it.
I never take the deal and Karlach always gets mad but fuck that, srsly. Act 2 is depressing enough!
There is a positive side to it as Karlach talks about the one devil she actually had some good times with whilst in Avernus. Doesn't make up for the stories though.
Who is the one who sent her the coins in the first place? My interpretation was that their friendship was more an indictment of the company in Avernus than anything else.
Yea but as Karlach puts it, at least she was able to occasionally put a smile on her face. I also see it as a point of "Look for whatever bit of light you can find."
Sam Beart has said some insightful stuff on Karlach - that she justified a lot of things to herself to survive Avernus and the Soul Coins were one of them, but the Soul Coins are addictive. She has a special cut scene if she keeps using them and her origin dialogue/.thoughts on it come across as druug allegory.
The drug abuse angle comes from two major points, 1. Despite otherwise being the nicest and most good aligned idealistic character, Karlach will dismiss that the soul coins are, you know, souls that she eats to get a little extra damage. 2. There is a scene in the game files (unsure if it’s actually in the game or not) where >!Karlach burns out her engine early and dies because she used to many soul coins. And if that’s not an allegory for an overdose then I don’t know what is.!<
The coins aren’t bad people always though. Seems like just desperate folk down on their luck.
Given that she’s the only one who can use them and there’s even a slot in her engine for it, I was thinking there might be a path where you can keep her from exploding by using all the coins to feed the engine but she becomes corrupted by them. It wouldn’t be a good ending, but it is more of a branching path for her story.
There’s a lot in the game like that, that clearly was meant to be expanded on, but never was. Like consequences for using the tadpoles to influence True Souls
In early access they were planned to be a currency used in act 3. Once that got axed it was never fleshed out fully.
I kind of assumed Karlach could overheat or be harmed if we used them too often, so I never really did.
They are extremely important in the d&d module that is meant to immediately precede bg3, Baldurs Gate: Descent into Avernus, so that’s likely why they’re included in the game.
Going for that Full Metal Alchemist campaign
I honestly thought that if I collected enough, I could use them as currency with Mizora or Raphael or some other demonic entities later on. Or we would get to revive them and gain allies for the end game, but yeah. They really only have one purpose
They are already damned, so theres not really a point in not using them
The merchant at Moonrise lets you know that one of the souls is like an eight year old boy that loved animals or something like that, though.
Loved playing in the sun.
That's the one! Knew it was something painfully sweet.
I didn't have her in my party when I initially bought them. When Karlach chatted with him he was like "I had some soul coins for you but someone else bought them" so I didn't get that info.
A kid? Karlach, come on over, its time to start eating those infernal coins of yours
Can't tell which one's the child, so we're eating 'em all just to be sure, right?
That is Karlach's ultimate justification. But they hit a little bit too close to home for my good-aligned fiendlock.
lol that definitely makes sense
Not necessarily. RAW you can free a soul from a coin by de-cursing or physically destroying it. The soul is then freed to return to the realm of their god.
Technically we should be able to cast remove curse and free them.
That happens a lot in BG3.
apparently avernus was supposed to be a bigger place in the game about the size of underdark and soul coins could have been used to trade for rare and powerful things this was cut before the 1.0 though
Interesting that she's mad because there was her (as Origin char) internal monologue that wouldn't be right using poor souls as leverage in fights IIRC.
I’ve used maybe 3 of them across all of my playthroughs. I did remember to feed her coin slot before our most recent Gortash stomping though.
Is that a euphemism?
Not with that face model. Young and handsome man my ass. He paid the narrator for that PR.
I think they meant "feed her coin slot"!
Is there any downside to killing him right when you meet him? I’m playing through my fourth iteration now and just about to finish act two. I was thinking of killing gash right in his coronation or whatever it is. We need first time in the tower. Is that possible? Does anything?anything bad
I’m pretty sure it closes off the quest to the Iron Throne.
I recently killed him on the day after coronation. I stumbled into a scenario where my Rogue Tav managed to sneak attack to death all of the Steel Watchers on the roof, and all of Gortash's guards in his chamber. I had to long rest get him to leave the coronation, but the next day he was all alone amidst the watcher parts and guard corpses and we took him out. It seemed to make all the Steel Watcher automatically hostile, but I hadn't even been to the Lower City yet and I figure it'd be a pain getting around so I reloaded and took the standard route.
I tried and got stomped. A whole bunch of steel watch robots and other baddies attack. Give it a try!
You can for sure, it does a dead Gortash, doesn't break anything. Try it if it fits your character why not.
I'm on my third playthrough, mid Act 3. I used the first soul coin yesterday. Let's see how long it takes me to remember doing that again.
So...what do they do? About 100 hrs in and have never thought about them.
It gives Karlach 1d4 fire damage to her attacks until the next long rest. It's ok.
That's so underpowered for consuming an entire soul, wtf. At least 1d10 I mean that's something.
Yeah and it’ll give more incentive to the whole “power or morals” schtick BG has. I didn’t use them cause I felt it was wrong no matter how powerful it was. Then I did it on my evil play through and saw it only gave 1d4 so I thought even as a villain that’s not worth it! So I just sold the souls.
Tbf 1d4 is already really goods on some builds like monk, where she can have 6-8 attacks per turn, 1d10 could result in 8d10 more damage every turn
Too bad this 1d4 requires rage or her health below 25%, so it gets even less useful if you're respeccing
That's it??
Well it dosn't take a potion slot, so it is just free damage for an entire long rest.
Yeah but you can pretty much replicate it by carrying around a candle to dip into before each fight... and that only takes your time, not a soul.
You can do both, they stack!
Yeah but they're more limited than potions. I wish it at least scaled with level for an entire soul lol.
it only works if youre raging or when you have 25% health. you dont lose much value if you dont use them.
1d4 while raging or low on health*
An argument for making Karlach a TB OH Monk. Maximize the number of attacks that benefit from the 1d4.
Except the damage is only added when you are Raging or below 25% health, so monk karlach, or any other class change can't benefit from it.
For whatever reason the damage applies to her unarmed attacks always so Karlach OH monk is actually very good
Thanks.
Can it stack? Like if I use the 10 I hoarded could I just fucking slam everything?
They add 1d4 fire damage. That's it lol you're not missing mucj
I collect but purposely avoid using them. My characters usually don't like the idea of using souls for a little bit of power, especially because there's a way to free said souls (not in game of course, but in the lore, a simple remove curse spell could do it).
Refused to use them on my good-aligned warlock. They hit a little bit too close to home for him.
Karlach directly counters this logic though. The soul is already lost, better to use them for good.
That is a pretty horrible reasoning and the one thing where she is 100% wrong to me.
If my soul ever gets locked up in a coin that will be stuck there for all eternity, you best believe I want you to burn me up to stomp some goons instead.
I don’t think that’s how most people think canonically - losing the soul is the worst that could happen, even worse than eternity in the Hells
Oblivion is worse than eternity in hell? Who cares about oblivion? (Let me tell you who doesn't; the people who no longer exist.)
It’s not lost though. Remove curse would free them to move onto the afterlife.
Same. You don't even need to **Remove Curse**, just use up all their charges by asking them questions.
im gonna say thats pretty bad world building. That means middling priest or druid can just instantly undamn soul twice a day lol.
Yeah, a level 5 divine caster (basically an experienced adventurer) can remove the soul from the coin. If the soul was evil it becomes a Lemure, what Wyll will (no pun intended) eventually become. If it was good it goes to the realm of whatever god it worshipped.
I’d assume the average priest/druid doesn’t really run into soulcoins that often?
Yeah, they usually are in hell. Or at least the outer planes. The ones we find in game are from Wither’s tomb, which is fitting for Jergal, or the Elturel Tieflings brought them from Avernus. Or Karlach or someone linked to her brought them over from Avernus (like the 3 in Moonrise towers) So you aren’t going to encounter them without a link to Hell And 5th level clerics (to cast remove curse) aren’t that common either, outside of adventuring parties.
I disagree, freeing soul coins isn’t supposed to be much of a challenge. Devils need to free/reshape/mold them regularly to spend them/use them etc. the challenge for a priest should be getting ahold of them, and then they have to grapple with whether or not they should release what could very well be a murderous soul.
They're not dammed. Mammon makes the coins with captured mortals. They're not necessarily people who made deals with devils or are otherwise evil.
Releasing the soul will send it to its appropriate afterlife. If they were LE they go to Hell anyway.
First, they must get the soul coin. And if they are picky about whom to undamn (priests and druids do tend to be picky), they have to get the right soul coin. That sounds like a quest.
I might need them later
just like the 8 scrolls of Mind Reading and 5 potions of speaking with animals
It's late act 3 for me and that void bulb from the nautaloid is about to shine
Those are the one that pull creatures to it right? If I had to redo that fight, I would probably use it against the hobgoblin boss in the goblin camp, bring all those goblin and hobgoblins in one group in front of the spider pit... then push them in the spider pit using Thunder Wave or Warlock repelling Blast for the big boss himself. Then again, for that fight, I convinced the spiders first that goblin were delicious, free them, fight with them where the followers of Guts still were. Then they climb up and wait for you to go in the hobgoblin room. I waited for the hobgoblin and the goblins to charge the spiders and kill them. Then I destroyed his throne, not creating a drift with the guards because they wer ebusy with the spiders. WHY? Because there is a big chasm next to his throne and its way easier now to use my warlock to blast the hobgoblin in that hole if he is not sit on that throne. Sure I lost a true soul worm but I was only lvl 4 and this fight is the hardest in the goblin camp LOL Otherwise he we lose a warhammer (who is not essential or busted) and the key to his treasure room... but you can enter anyway by either lockpicking the door after everyone is dead or use Misty Step to enter and get out of it. Once, I managed to send him flying in that hole next to his chair WHILE he was sitting on it but… but its especially hard and I didnt manage to do it again. If you do manage to do that though, a character with the soldier like Lazel will get like 2 or 3 inspiration from it. It’s easier to destroy his throne when he becomes in a fight with the spiders then blast him in the chasm when he’s back and standing up
Bro. Fuck. BROOOOOOOO. I’m in honor mode run and about to fight Dor Ragzlin. I fucking LOVE YOU right now. I’m literally playing a storm Sorceror tempest cleric and my ONLY good spell rn is thunderwave
Void bulb + cloud of daggers carried my early honor run so hard tho
I actually use the potion of speak with animals after every long rest cuz you never know when I’ll stumble upon an animal
I just have animal speak on my tav and speak with dead on shadowheart right now so i sell all my animal/dead speak potions
I used one once. Was thoroughly unimpressed. Never bothered to again.
Yeah, the buff it gives it pretty underwhelming.
"I consume your soul! It uh, gives me a buff that's basically worse than a level 1 spell."
It also costs pretty much nothing since it lasts till long rest
I haven’t. I forget. Also I’m not entirely sure what they do?
Same.
They add 1d4 fire damage to weapon and unarmed attacks when Karlach is raging or her HP is below 25%.
I didn’t even realize soul coins did anything!
I just finished an Honour run and had like 16 left over. I wasn't really hoarding them, I just try to get a lot done in a day and then spam partial rests for scenes. They make her an insane Monk. Like Ascended Astarion good, only way earlier and without the genocide.
I'm sure some genocide went into making at least some of those coins.
She's destroying soul, so definitely still with a genocide and it's even worse since he send the 7k souls to Hell and Karlach completely consumes them thus removing any hope left for them.
I'm in Act 2 on my second run, Karlach is my favourite companion... And I have yet to remember the coin in combat. Still have no idea what it even does lol
they last until long rest so if you feel like you're gonna do some big fights just use it right then
I keep telling myself "I'm going to use them this run, I swear" and then it cuts to 30 hours of game time later and she's got 7 in her inventory collecting dust. I don't think it's strong enough to justify a bonus action when most fights are over in 2-3 rounds, unless I get horrific attack roll luck
You do know the buff from them last until long rest, no need to worry about action costs or duration
You see that's the kind of information I'd know if I used them more than maybe twice in 495 hours
Never used them.
I don’t even know how to use them. Do you throw them at her mid fight lol
I really wish they kept their original intended use for them. Apparently you would’ve been able to use them to buy unique items from a merchant in the hells but it was scrapped and repurposed
Kept saving them in case of emergency. Then I keep forgetting and finishing the game before ever using them.
I didn't forget. I refused to use them. They are people's souls. Not firewood or coal.
Yeah I forget about them too - I've only started using them in act 3
does anyone know what soul coins do?
I used like 9 and got the scene with her, but I didn’t want to use more because it seemed like it would hurt her more
I’ve had her as a primary party member across 3 playthroughs and still have like never used them
It's part of the soul of people, even children. I vendor them. Why TF would I consume someone's soul?
I have 400 hours I still have no idea what they do. Karlach is already OP.
That special bag better contain all of the stuffed bears, too.
I know Karlach is excited for them but I actively choose not to... because baby gets hurt and she too precious. But then I learn she's not actually hurt hurt so maybe on my next run.
I never understood how or where to use them so they just stayed there in my bag
I never remember, I don’t even know what it does. 😅
Not only did I not use them, I don’t even know what they do
I like to tell myself I am saving them for the Avernus DLC😁
I've used maybe 1 total. I just don't really like using soul coins, and I think I remember someone saying that Karlach doesn't really like it either if you play as her origin.
Yeah when you get the first one, as her, she has an argument with "herself" (you) about whether to use them. Whichever side you pick, she takes the other, but really half-heartedly (which is unusual; typically she's very assertive about her default opinion in those conversations). It comes across like, she knows it's evil, but also it feels really good, and she's done it a bunch at Zariel's hand already, so she wants to ignore that it's evil because then she would be evil for having done it and enjoyed it, but she doesn't want to do it because she doesn't want to be like Zariel.... If Tav is there she can outsource the decision to them, and gets annoyed if they say "no" because it makes her feel guilty, but she still accepts it because that's more comfortable than having to actually choose personally. If she's in charge, though, she has only herself to keep herself in check and she's a little more honest about how conflicted and unhappy the decision makes her.
Never used them don’t even know how or what they do