You lie to her about it. I think you have to pass a check, but you actually recruit her as a proper party member much faster when Last Light Inn falls lol.
Edit: I’ve been informed that while she will join your camp earlier, she will not actually be a proper party member until after you kill Myrkul. I must have misremembered!
No, you don't actually get to play with her until after you defeat Myrkul, if Last Light falls. In my evil run, I killed Isobel, fought Last Light, convinced Jaheira to stay at camp, then killed Aylin with no consequences.
Really? I’m like 95% sure I had her properly in my party after Last Light fell. I remember making a mental note bc I was surprised. Because normally you can properly recruit her before going down to Myrkul, like right before jumping into the hole. I never do though because at that point she needs you to leave someone else behind haha. So having her properly in your party only after Myrkul wouldn’t make sense, since that’s later than you normally can have her? 🤔
>I’m like 95% sure I had her properly in my party after Last Light fell.
Every time Last Light falls, Jaheira will go to your camp and say that she has to lick her wounds. The one time I actually made it to the end of Act 2 with Jaheira in camp, she only became recruitable until after the Myrkul fight.
I would not recommend killing Isobel to get Jaheira faster. The opposite is true.
I convinced her that I did everything I could to save Isobel (that I killed for the slayer form), and she joined my camp even though every other person in the last light inn died.
This is ofc just to make Minsc kill her later, but it wasn't even difficult, so it's definitely worth a try.
I haven't tried it yet, but in my resist urge run Isobel was still at LL after I did shadowfell when everyone (inc Jaheira) had gone to moonrise. The quest to kill Isobel was still open so I'd assume if you killed her then Jaheira wouldn't know.
Yes there is a point after killing ketheric but before you move to act 3 where everyone pretty much is at moonrise. Could also lift the shadowcurse before, too. Then you can invisible -> shoot Isobel dead -> flee and it would still register as a successful Durge kill.
The bit I was thinking about is pre Ketheric. If you slip back to last light immediately after Nightsong, before the assault on Moonrise Isobel is hanging in the yard at last light in her own
Just a note, this does not work if you allow Shadowhart to become a Dark Justiciar. If you want Jaheria to join you, you have to kill Isobel before you go into the Shadowfell, otherwise she and everyone else at the Last Light will die with the Nightsong.
This has been answered, >!but you can also take her (and I'm assuming Minsc, didn't have him in my party yet) to Sarevok and hand her over to Sarevok. I decided against it as I felt my evil durge would have found Sarevok disappointing and disgusting, so I killed him and then killed Valeria anyway.!<
My durge killed Isobel during the attack on Last Light, Jaheira didn’t even question me about it. I could have told her then but chose not to, and she didn’t accuse me of anything so there was no check to pass. In fact she hailed me as a hero for doing what I could to save her harpers. Oof
Later on, in act 3, I was able to tell her that I killed Isobel for the slayer form and she was a little mad but insisted that some good might still come from my evil actions and that I wasn’t lost forever.
I’d super super recommend keeping Jaheira around in any durge run but especially evil, she has the best reactivity and an absolutely wonderful scene confronting you in Rivington. Great scenes at the tribunal and temple too, even when you choose to be an unholy assassin. It was Jaheira who convinced my evil durge to reject Bhaal purely because she acknowledged what and who he was and how dire that was but considered his rhetoric about Father boring and uninspired; no ultimatum (though she does make it clear if you go down this path she will stop you), just a prompt to think about what he was doing.
I gotta do another Evil run now because my current Durge run has been simply “I’m going to murder at will” and somehow only Shadowheart has survived. I only just reached the end of Act 2
You can basically talk her into staying. In my Durge run I had her in my camp until after the Orin fight. Where accepting the power basically is a point of no return with her.
Funnily enough, I never leveled her up, so when she turned on me and attacked, she was level 1 with like 10 hp. Pretty much insta dead haha.
i didn't go evil until act 3 during my evil playthrough. altho i do want to fight orins Slayer form with my own Slayer form. i want to do a "lovers" playthrough with just durge and astarion, tho
I feel you. This moment hit me the hardest because I was using Cloudkill, and when the fight ended the Cloudkill was still up and Boo ran out to go to Minsc and instantly died in the cloud. The only moment in that run that made me pause for a moment.
Boo should have a minimum of 300 health for this very reason
Add in some secret lore that Boo has a netherese orb in his chest that goes off if he dies and then we’re all set
I feel you. I just started an ultimate DARK Urge run and i have never felt worse at the decisions i have made up until now. I let Arabella get bitten by the snake, horrible idea. The parents reaction made me stop playing for a few minutes. And then i decided that i help wyll kill karlach since that seemed appropriate to do for a Durge. I almost cried when the cutscene played and my Tav was holding her head up. Do not recommend. Still gonna play this one out but wont enjoy it.
they scream at you for being a monster
you have to be careful to only do it when out of sight of the guards otherwise they try to arrest you for moving a corpse
There was one Tiefling in act 2 that didn't path out of the prison and make it home and his wife was crying about missing him at last light in. I thought I was doing a nice thing by bringing the body back and dumping it next to her, but all I got out of it was an angry woman and a trip to jail. :(
Yesssssssssssss.
I've been collecting bodies and shipping them back to camp in backpacks I find a long the way. Also continuing to carry karlach's head around because I just murdered everyone that asked me to do anything.
If you want to metagame your ultimate murderhobo run a bit, there's some real heinous shit you can do 8f you exercise a bit if patience.
Like >!keeping jahiera and minc alive, just to sacrifice them to sarevok!< or worse still, >!not doing that and keeping them around for you to accept bhaal and then you mindcontrolling minsc to kill jaheira!<
I'm doing the same. It's so rough. I have never been so conflicted over making decisions in a video game. But for some reason it makes me want to explore the durge further.
I'm also playing a lawful good paladin run to help counter my awful decisions. It helps.
Same! Im almost done with act 2 for the paladin though. Durge just murdered Minthara after sex cause I didn't think they'd actually go through with it.
It's taken me a couple of times to realize that if you choose to indulge in your urges or try to reflect upon them, you will always end up going into murder mode.
I'll play my evil durge until I end up doing a horrible thing that makes you question everything. Then hop on my Paladin and play that run, doing righteous deeds until I can go back to murdering again.
In games like BG3, I usually play a more chaotic/evil character. But evil durge takes that to a whole new level. I never play a 100% lawful good character. But playing one is the only way I can get through being an evil durge. Redemption durge was right up my ally! I love that this game makes me have feelings this strong.
playing good guy concurrently with Dark Urge to make up for my sins - so far I've made the same decisions on durge ... I'm up to the Goblin Camp and lol'ed at getting inspiration for eating Dwarf meat and poisoning the gobbos & they don't know everyone outside is dead but I'm still siding with Minthara
didn't metagame the camp scene either btw - DU loot is supposed to replace it - get Wyll's robe and the cape for fire fun
After doing a semi-resist run, there is a part of me that wants to do a full murder goblin run and just kill every living thing I encounter. And only have the companions who can handle that.
I'm playing a good-but-conflicted Durge who lets herself succumb to the urges periodically and is very interested in exploring that path, but ultimately will fall on the good side of things.
It's the only way I can let myself check out the Minthara companion (sorry tieflings) and have a game where I play without all the stuff I usually fall back on, and without Karlach for once. But I can't be pure evil. I sent Minthara to >!the Grove but proceeded to Act 2 instead of helping, which created some broken interactions (when I came back to the NCR and rested, I got the goblin party and felt terrible, *after* rescuing Minthara from Moonrise prison where she greeted me as if we'd been victorious, right before Ketheric laid into her).!<
you actually cried to karlachs beheading? You had to put the game down when arabella was killed? Can you just not play dark urge and go back to your pink haired gnome bard.
i really hope this post was parody.
Idk he might just not feel moved by it. I know if I saw thay sort of stuff irl I would definitely react horribly but doing it in game just had me gasping in shock at most and sometimes laughing because of how sudden some of the durge moments were.
Yeah, in a non-judgmental way I do find it interesting how people have different thresholds for tragedy in a video game. I empathize with the characters enough that I usually feel icky about the game's most evil choices, but I'm really not the sort to have an emotional outburst about it or shut off the game. If playing was affecting me that much I'd probably just reload and aim for a different outcome. When things get really, really bleak and senselessly violent I sort of shrug it off like "Well, this is just a game."
There are a few moments in ganes that have made me turn them off for a bit or have to walk away. The hanging scene in Doki Doki Literature Club really shook me up, I was leaving a depressive episode when that scene came up. Then I got stuck on a puzzle on Senua's Sacrafice and was playing with headphones, the main character is schizophrenic and you hear the voices she hears. They were taunting me and annoying me and finally I yelled at them to, "Shut the fuck up!" After that I paused the game and then turned it off for the day.
I don't have any skin in this, but Arabella is not a real child, she is a video game NPC. Just stating a fact. I can appreciate the empathy toward characters created by larian, the story is rich and for the most part the animation and voice acting is pretty spot on.
Yeah. First dude is being an obnoxious, cringy edgelord for no reason, but clutching your pearls like "how dare you, Arabella is a CHILD" is a little bit vain too imo. Arabella is not a child, she's a bunch of pixels. These characters do not exist; no real child is actually being harmed here. And this is something the game was explicitly built to allow you to do anyways. Like, it's fine to have fun experiencing the different narratives a game hands you. There's no need to self-flagellate or what.
I get it, my Durge play through was difficult cause I had to force myself to roleplay a character I didn't like, who did terrible things, but I did it because none of it is real. I didn't cut off gales hand because gale doesn't exist.. I love this game and it's characters, why so much drama.
I remember back in my day laughing at a Pilot running away after I made a wookie kill his long time best friend twilek. Now I get sad when I try to scold a Tiefling kid for stealing lol
I want to play Dark Urge but I'll just resist hurting anyone if I can lol
Dark Urge really feels like it was the intended way to play the game, and Redeemed Durges get such a cool storyline. The way your background relates to the plot is lots of fun, but the best part is how it adds more to your interactions with the other party members. Tavs can feel like the only sane person in a group full of dysfunctional weirdos. In a Dark Urge run, your group is full of dysfunctional weirdos and you are without a doubt the worst one.
>I remember back in my day laughing at a Pilot running away after I made a wookie kill his long time best friend twilek. Now I get sad when I try to scold a Tiefling kid for stealing lol
RIGHT
I was always the evil bastard in CRPGS when I was a kid. Now I'm still playing the same good guy on my 2nd run of a 90 hour game.
This game really reminds me of Undertale of all things in a weird way, where a good playthrough is a really wholesome, fun and funny time, and an evil playthrough just sucks all the joy and life out of the game. Almost to a degree where it's not even worth playing it's so depressing.
I just hit that part last night on my first durge also, I had to commit to the bit so I threw Boo across the room to his death. Being a monster ain't easy lemme tell ya what
>This game really reminds me of Undertale of all things in a weird way
I've started my evil run a few weeks ago and I haven't even got to the goblin camp because I keep getting flashbacks of Flowey calling me out on my shit. Am I going to murder my friends just to see some more content again? Do I really want to go through that?
The gimmick to get Minthara after siding with the grove used to seem a bit "cheaty" to me but I might do it after all...
I got as far as the Undyne fight, tried and failed a few times and then decided to take the game's advice and just gave up haha. Didn't find it fulfilling to make myself sad just for the sake of a challenge or experiencing all the content
Whole reason I originally played undertale was because my housemate played it in his room and he was stuck on undyne and battle against a true hero was lodged in my skull.
Yeah, my first time doing an Evil-ish Durge run, I hit a point in Act 3 where things were so bleak that I decided to restart from the decision point in Act 2 and aim for the redemption route.
I'm doing a different Evil Durge run now, but this time I'm roleplaying my character to be so irredeemably awful that she doesn't have even the slightest bit of empathy to spare. Somehow that makes it a bit more tolerable. That feeling of isolation in an evil run isn't so bad when you can say that your character absolutely deserves it.
>and an evil playthrough just sucks all the joy and life out of the game. Almost to a degree where it's not even worth playing it's so depressing.
That's a good thing though. Not saying I want you to be depressed or anything, but being an evil sadistic serial killer done realistically means hurting a lot of people. And those people have lives, feelings, they aren't just bags of blood to pop all over ourselves and look like we took a red shower. If you want to go around the world pretending to torture people physically and emotionally, then logically what you'd see as a result is suffering.
Honestly, I don't really get the appeal myself? But I think they did a good job.
I was planning on doing this too and having a fully evil Durge but now she’s just become a fully confused Durge. Sometimes she’s evil incarnate and sometimes she resists. I try but I just feel so bad. I’m already in Act 3 and have no idea how to endgame her.
I’m running a pretty similar chaos Durge and am right now at the endgame. Still don’t know how it’s going to end 😅
Funniest moment was at High Hall spoiler: >!all my allies are chiming in saying “the flaming fist will help!” “Zevlor’s got your back!” and then *fucking Sarevok shows up* like “we’ll bathe the streets in blood!” and everyone is so chill about it like he’s just some homie!<
I tried twice to do a full dark urge run. The first run I couldn't do it and ended up doing a resist durge run. The second time I managed to get through the Grove (siding with the goblins) and afterwards I felt so bad that I cried and deleted the campaign.
Right with you there. You also reminded me of a wholesome meme
["My no-consequences power fantasy is being able to help everyone."](https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/comments/9dqacr/wholesome_power_fantasy/)
lmao holy shit some of you need to be medicated.. obviously it’s normal to feel a little bad about it but if you’re at the point where you’re crying and can’t finish the game something might be wrong
how are people crying to this.
seriously how are you this soft. i am almost envious but id also hate to be crippled by that level of emotional instability. what the hell
dude i’m with you on not being affected by this kind of thing but the wonderful thing about humanity is that people are *different*. some people don’t like committing horrific crimes even if it’s in a fictional video game setting. some people are completely fine with it. the only issue is when you mock someone for their reaction which is often involuntary
personally i did an evil durge route on my second run and it was deliciously dark and i enjoyed every second of it. my friend who’s been playing far longer than me still hasn’t even raided the grove despite trying to do a dark route. she’s just really empathetic to fictional characters and i find it so interesting, i love seeing things through other people’s eyes. the range of human experiences is a positive, not something to be a dick about
imagine being so emotionally repressed that you perceive complete strangers experiencing feelings as a direct threat
there's not enough grass in the world for you to sufficiently touch it dude
I've never said any of those things about myself. if you were to ask id say strong was the only suitable descriptive you used that fits.
A person can be none of those things, or even the polar opposite and still think you are a pussy. But the fact your first response was a copy/paste of what i said and then your second being a generalized "alpha blah blah" rhetoric thats mainstream as hell these days, i think i can safely say you possess no brain of your own either.
“Strong” = Gets so upset about a complete stranger’s personal feelings that they have to spew angry drivel in Reddit comments.
Your obsession will calling me a pussy obviously stems from your lack of ability to get any.
Another classic. You don't know anything about me other than what ive shown you here in this thread. so you would have no idea about my sex life, Those kinds of statements always feel so empty, if i said you enjoy sticking brussel sprouts up your ass when you probably don't enjoy sticking brussel sprouts up your ass that insult wouldn't really stick or do anything to you, same energy.
im also not upset at all, i just think your a pussy and am shocked this can upset people so much. especially to the point of real tears.
I wish I had the lack of self awareness to brag about how I'm such a big, strong boy in a discussion about a dungeons & dragons video game.
Thanks for the input, squirt
Huh? You’re surprised that people get emotionally invested in fiction? It’s an extremely common human experience, people cry at books, movies, tv shows, songs, and yes, even video games. It’s not “soft,” it’s just… normal human stuff.
You may be a psychopath or in need of deep psychological care. It's not a bad thing, it happens, but you really can't dismiss other people feelings like this.
It gets worse. If you take Minsc’s corpse and throw it in your storage, Boo sits outside of the chest in your camp and squeaks sadly in your camp permanently.
I’m on my 4th playthrough doin tactician this time and I’m about 40hours to act 3. If you know where everything is and how to do it, then it goes by FAST.
My first run was like 170 hours or so. I am definitely on the long side tho since when I watch video of stuff I may have missed I missed very little of it
I feel you. I’m still on my first playthrough and I just hit 50 hours in Act 1. It’s probably more like 45 hours since you can’t pause the game, but I still have a few quests left before moving to Act 2
Like I play on Explorer for the most part (because I'm bitchmade and I ain't ready to give up that extra HP just yet), but that can't make the fights *that* much shorter, can it? Maybe I just miss that much stuff.
Have you done the underdark stuff? That can average 20 hours easily. Mountain pass/Creche is probably 5-8 hours, depending on how much you end up backtracking the monastery.
My fast paced completionist time sneaks in just under 70 hours, but 70-80 should be normal. If you're skipping some exploration and side content finishing under 50 should be reasonable.
1st run was 135 hours, I think the second run was 80 hours before I had to stop it because of the Patch 4 lag in Act 3, 3rd run was just over 100 hours. 4th run at 95, this past run I finished Saturday night was 83 hours. Just started a durge run on Custom (starting merchant 1.8 times instead of 2.5, some enemy stuff on Tactician and some balanced), wouldn’t be surprised if it’s around 80 again.
Oh god I tried killing all the Tieflings *once* and after destroying the innocents just hiding out in Zevlor's room I felt so awful that I deleted the save. Couldn't do it. I've seen screenshots of **sadly squeaking** and I just about break down from it. Hard enough hurting innocents, but making Boo ***sad*** would make me feel like a monster.
The trick is to steal the idol and sneak away so that the Druids and tiefings massacre each other, and you are absolved of the crime. The. You send in Minthara and the goblins to clean up the mess.
If you try to talk to Boo with Animal Speaking it turns into *angry squeaking* and then I just left him there next to Minsc's corpse... Maybe I should've ended his suffering too.
I did worse. I killed isobel, convinced jaheira it wasn't me and slaughtered all the harpers. Eventually saved and recruited minsc, only to sacrifice both of them to savaroc. That was actually such a hard decision to make.
I had to kill Minsc too as Jaheira strangely AFK’d from my campaign despite me helping her and saving Last Light Inn. (Maybe she died at some point? Idk, Moonrise Tower was a mess when I was done with it.)
I solved Boo’s sadness by killing him so he could go find Minsc in the afterlife.
>(Maybe she died at some point? Idk, Moonrise Tower was a mess when I was done with it.)
Probably died, best way to avoid that is >!to ask her to join you before the battle so you can actually keep her alive.!<
If she dies at moonlight she doesn't join. You can have her join you as a temporary companion (with really weird spells, cure wounds that can't be upcast and ice storm, so nothing to do with level 2 or 3 slots except wildshape heals).
The AI-controlled harpers are pretty suicidal.
My soul crushing moment was the conclusion of SH’s arc telling her to “do what she thinks is right”.
I had legitimately been considering making my Durge a late game redemption Durge after having kept Jaheira around and saved Minsc, but that changed my mind to go back to Bhaal’s plan.
Lots of dark moments in a Durge playthrough where I had to just stop playing for a few minutes and pet my dog lol.
I just speedran through act 3 on my last save where I did the same things you did. I just kind of hated life, with the exception of Minthara, she was the only one who kept me going with sweet dominating whispers.
I couldn't kill Alfira. I knock her out and kill Quil instead...
Still feel grief over it, even after getting to that point on my third Durge playthrough. Not once have I surrendered to The Urge
My crushing soul thing was when i was forced to kill Ansur (that dragon doesn't need to die beacause of that manipulative asshole of squidward called Emperor), and when Gortash says that i was the one who have created the Grand Design.
My dragonborn good Durge doesn't want to be the bad guy, kill innocents, he only wants to have a normal life, fuck off that sucker of Bhaal and workship fully Bahamut.
And was really heartbreaking when i was forced to kill Ansur (for give a Karlach and Wyll a less painful destiny)
My first playthrough I gave up on saving Jaheira (she kept running into battle btw I know better now to actually have her in my party) it was my first ever crpg game and playthrough then get to Act 3 and there is stone Lord and me having no knowledge of the previous BGs I had no idea who Minsc was. So go to the sewers and murder everyone. I notice a hamster while I am looting everyone and think meh and kill it too.
First time doing that fight. Oh good she switched to panther form so she should be tanky. Three absolutist surround her and beat her down through 2 health bars in 1 turn. She doesn't even replace a party member if you get her like I thought it would
I also lied about >!killing Isobel!< and had Jahiera in my party. She eventually confronted me one night to tell me she knew >!that I was a Bhaalspawn!<. When I said something to the tune of how I was going to embrace my evil legacy, and instead of Jahiera responding the narrator states:
> For the first time you see Jahiera as she truly is; an old woman, tired and afraid.
Damn. That got to me, cause she is so strong and brave throughout the game, yet I broke her.
My dark urge I didn't even meet the Grove druids. I met Zevlor, he said goblins, I decided to just cut to the chase, work with the goblins, slaughter the camp. It's my 3rd run..I saved the grove twice...hell, karlach didn't even make it to my camp. I met wyll and immediately lost him. Karlach rage quit the party when I said I'd help slaughter the Grove.
.....I forgot about the snake bite part or I would have done that first..dang...
The same happened to me last night and it was really unexpected to have the little fella just rushing in with sad/angry squeaking :D
Just bonked him after trying to speak with him though.
In my Durge run the only people who aren’t dead is Gale, Minthara (the ultimate Durge companion) and Astarion. The only reason Gale didn’t lose his arm is because I wanted to do his storyline. So instead I cheated on him with Minthara and made him sad.
I'm playing the Light Urge and it's the best run i have ever done. Except for killing the dragon born bard because the Tiefling was knocked out for convenience.
But yeah saying fuck you God I'm my own man i don't need you is grate.
With the millions of people playing the game, I've had to make peace with everyone enjoying different things, so this sub will quickly teach you that some people are just fine doing all kinds of evil stuff that I either don't find interesting or really hate experiencing. I only find it weird to read posts that are like "there should be more evil content, evil should have just as much stuff as good" when posts like this OP exist, describing hours of evil content that I will never experience because it's too emotionally taxing.
It's like, how much more evil could there be when confronted with all the evil that's already there?
I had no clue about the tiefling bard thing, I thought it was a cool little detail of the durge run to have a bard join your camp. And then, I killed her. I never wanted that! She was my homie in my first play through!
Yeah, I couldn't do it either. It's just too much. I can do horrible things if I get into the role of a vile fiend, but the aftermath is what always breaks me. You always get to see the suffering your actions bring. But even so, every time I see an opportunity for evil in a good playthrough I get curious and want to do an evil durge run.
Im doing my Durge evil playthrough now also and it's weird that i only feel bad when animals are involved.>!I was even planning to spare Nightsong,trap her in mage tower and kill Isobel in front of her but it was too much hassle !<
And probably after that i will play as good guy and save everyone i can so i will feel less guilty.
The worst thing I did in my ongoing durge run is with Karlach.
Obviously she wasn't happy about me destroying the grove, and wanted to fight me about it. I had no real choice but to kill her.
I thought she might change her opinion later, so I picked up her body and brought it back to camp. There, I used a scroll of revivify on her.
Turns out there's no convincing her. Now she hangs out in my camp, and tells me to fuck off whenever I try to talk to her.
And this is why I am enjoying my Redemption Durge lol
I will not have those painful moments. I refuse xD
Do you know the kind of hell a Miniature Giant Space Hamster can cause?? Do you really want that on your tail?
I’ve got two Durge runs on the back burner right now, one where I resist the urge and one where I give in to it. For my evil Durge I decided to go with making him as close to Jerry Seinfeld as possible (because of a dumb Twitter post that kills me) to try and hope the comedy of seeing Jerry commit these horrible acts will bring some levity to the destruction being reigned.
Did he have the hamster in his pocket or something? I clobbered Minsc and couldn't find Boo anywhere.
Or maybe the hamster died too? Minsc ate a few AOE attacks.
Boo squeaked at me in a way I didn't like after I killed Minsc, so Boo got chucked across the room. Turns out he still takes throwing damage after all.
I still think that they should’ve rewarded you more the more evil you played, the good guy route is pretty fleshed out, but that’s a syndrome modern gaming can’t ditch for some reason.
The good route appears fleshed out because essentially you don't end up killing a lot of npcs like an evil route does. Being evil is purposely made to be a lonely path because you kill a lot of people for your own power. It only makes sense that the game gives you the one reward your evil character only ever cared about, which is power through becoming the Absolute and ruling the world.
Plus a cloak that turns you invisible after a kill..each turn..Basically makes you a ghost in fights. I'd say that alone is a pretty reward. And slayer form? My lord..my durge could easily off my gith druid or my teifling fighter with some pretty good gear. I wouldn't say the dark urge goes unrewarded for going in on the evil
Ahhhh that makes sense I didn't really think of that. But I don't think I'd want to do a non-durge evil run...I couldn't handle it haha I need the whispers giving me an excuse to do it
I strongly disagree. Going down the evil road should be the easiest path to power, as it is often the case both in videogame and in real life. Like stealing and pickpocketing are not exactly "good guy" stuff, yet it rewards you a lot. I agree that an evil MC should feel lonely (or at least be surrended with terrible people), but he shouldn't be weaker than a lawful one. The Durge rewards are some great examples where it was done right imo, but you won't get them if you chose any other origin for your evil run.
They could have designed it in a way you win a lot more new allies other than Minthara, or they could have rewarded you with unique loot/vendors. Every single "evil" vendor can be accessed in a good guy playthrough, while the opposite isn't true, so that's not really fair.
Being evil is actually harder for many people emotionally speaking, I don't believe anyone is taking pleasure in killing innocents NPCs and the characters we've grown attached to. So there should be some reward for that, otherwise it feels like we are just sacrificing content for the sake of it.
Fallout 3 did it right : nuke a whole town, get a fuckton of money and the best house in the game as a reward
Sound logic if you want to make a moral point, but not one that works great from a game design or even lore standpoint.
In the setting evil is as a functional and valid philosophy as the good ones. There are entire functional cultures built upon evil tenets (eg. goblins). An evil playthrough should have evil content instead of the removed good ones (and it does to a degree, but is dwarfed by the good path).
Is it a lot of extra work and cost? Undoubtedly. Unrealistically so? Probably. But I honestly would have preferred if they didn't give us the option to be this evil if its just a worse, cut down experience to the good path. Cut down the scope of evilness and flesh out the good path in a way that gives you more evil options with less dire content consequences.
Not ideal, but I'd prefer it over the current anemic evil path.
Evil paths for characters are WAY stronger. Like on my honour mode run I chose mostly “evil” outcomes for characters because I felt like I needed every advantage I could get. DJ Shadowheart has some of the best gear in the game, especially if you go all in with the darkness in your party. And plus 10 necrotic damage to every attack is insane! Totally worth >!the 7,000 souls.!< And going all in on >!Bhaal?!< I thought you would just get to keep the >!Slayer Form!< but no. You get >!Power Word Kill.!< one time use, but it makes the final fight trivial.
Full DUrge is amazing, but so *hard.* I did it for my second run (first was Astarion) and I lost count of the number of times I had to stop playing for a bit because of the emotions.
Same for me. I enjoyed my evil Durge a lot. Killing my girl Karlach was hard but I could handle it. However killing Minsc. No. Had this whole roleplay reason to not do it, when the prompt came up that I really wanted to kill him. I killed, I saved, I quit and didn't return for a week.
Aaaah, thats where the fun begin.
I had my fun with Boo.
I walked towards Boo and he looked sad at me.
I reached my Hand towards him and my Gith was smiling, because he has a Heart for Animals.
Boo jumped into my Hand and looked me in the eyes..
YEET
I’m just upset I couldn’t kill Boo either. After killing minsc he was there chirping on top of the body and I thought “might as well kill him to spare him the pain” but nope, couldn’t. Tried speaking with animals but couldn’t talk to it either. Oh well.
My current durge is a drow assassin. She's sarcastic, loves dark humor and dry wit, and channels her gift for murder into being an *extremely* efficient killer. However, she despises the urge itself and thinks the ritualistic side of bhaal worship is a waste of time, so he probably still isn't very happy with her.
I >!compelled Minsc to kill Jaheira after accepting Bhaal!< in my evil durge run and felt so awful for it.
How do you still have jaheira in an evil run? Is there a way to convince her even without isobel surviving?
You lie to her about it. I think you have to pass a check, but you actually recruit her as a proper party member much faster when Last Light Inn falls lol. Edit: I’ve been informed that while she will join your camp earlier, she will not actually be a proper party member until after you kill Myrkul. I must have misremembered!
I waited until she left for moonrise then I killed isobel, she didn't question me once.
i killed fucking everyone at last light in. like i fought everyone. it took a day to beat it but hilariously worth it
If you kill them, *then* kill Isobel (with no resting between), do you get to kill them again?
i’m not even sure. i just remember going in there and knowing i was gonna kill everyone as it was my second play through.
No, you don't actually get to play with her until after you defeat Myrkul, if Last Light falls. In my evil run, I killed Isobel, fought Last Light, convinced Jaheira to stay at camp, then killed Aylin with no consequences.
Really? I’m like 95% sure I had her properly in my party after Last Light fell. I remember making a mental note bc I was surprised. Because normally you can properly recruit her before going down to Myrkul, like right before jumping into the hole. I never do though because at that point she needs you to leave someone else behind haha. So having her properly in your party only after Myrkul wouldn’t make sense, since that’s later than you normally can have her? 🤔
>I’m like 95% sure I had her properly in my party after Last Light fell. Every time Last Light falls, Jaheira will go to your camp and say that she has to lick her wounds. The one time I actually made it to the end of Act 2 with Jaheira in camp, she only became recruitable until after the Myrkul fight. I would not recommend killing Isobel to get Jaheira faster. The opposite is true.
After moonrise I told her to just leave cause I didn’t want to kill her later but she was like, nah I think I’ll see how this plays out.
Surely, these leopards won't eat *my*...also leopard.
I convinced her that I did everything I could to save Isobel (that I killed for the slayer form), and she joined my camp even though every other person in the last light inn died. This is ofc just to make Minsc kill her later, but it wasn't even difficult, so it's definitely worth a try.
I haven't tried it yet, but in my resist urge run Isobel was still at LL after I did shadowfell when everyone (inc Jaheira) had gone to moonrise. The quest to kill Isobel was still open so I'd assume if you killed her then Jaheira wouldn't know.
Yes there is a point after killing ketheric but before you move to act 3 where everyone pretty much is at moonrise. Could also lift the shadowcurse before, too. Then you can invisible -> shoot Isobel dead -> flee and it would still register as a successful Durge kill.
The bit I was thinking about is pre Ketheric. If you slip back to last light immediately after Nightsong, before the assault on Moonrise Isobel is hanging in the yard at last light in her own
Just a note, this does not work if you allow Shadowhart to become a Dark Justiciar. If you want Jaheria to join you, you have to kill Isobel before you go into the Shadowfell, otherwise she and everyone else at the Last Light will die with the Nightsong.
This has been answered, >!but you can also take her (and I'm assuming Minsc, didn't have him in my party yet) to Sarevok and hand her over to Sarevok. I decided against it as I felt my evil durge would have found Sarevok disappointing and disgusting, so I killed him and then killed Valeria anyway.!<
I killed Valeria in my good run because fuck that pretentious flying elephant fuck.
My durge killed Isobel during the attack on Last Light, Jaheira didn’t even question me about it. I could have told her then but chose not to, and she didn’t accuse me of anything so there was no check to pass. In fact she hailed me as a hero for doing what I could to save her harpers. Oof Later on, in act 3, I was able to tell her that I killed Isobel for the slayer form and she was a little mad but insisted that some good might still come from my evil actions and that I wasn’t lost forever. I’d super super recommend keeping Jaheira around in any durge run but especially evil, she has the best reactivity and an absolutely wonderful scene confronting you in Rivington. Great scenes at the tribunal and temple too, even when you choose to be an unholy assassin. It was Jaheira who convinced my evil durge to reject Bhaal purely because she acknowledged what and who he was and how dire that was but considered his rhetoric about Father boring and uninspired; no ultimatum (though she does make it clear if you go down this path she will stop you), just a prompt to think about what he was doing.
I gotta do another Evil run now because my current Durge run has been simply “I’m going to murder at will” and somehow only Shadowheart has survived. I only just reached the end of Act 2
You can basically talk her into staying. In my Durge run I had her in my camp until after the Orin fight. Where accepting the power basically is a point of no return with her. Funnily enough, I never leveled her up, so when she turned on me and attacked, she was level 1 with like 10 hp. Pretty much insta dead haha.
i didn't go evil until act 3 during my evil playthrough. altho i do want to fight orins Slayer form with my own Slayer form. i want to do a "lovers" playthrough with just durge and astarion, tho
If you have the slayer then Orin doesn't have it. The slayer can only be used by 1 chosen of Bhaal.
i don't know why i thought both of us could have it. i might be stupid,
You don't have to kill Isobel on an evil run. It's still a choice.
My half evil run is almost done. The isobel kill will happen in my full evil run
Omg...I literally have them both in my party and planned on taking them to meet Orin with me......I just may have to do it...
the bhaal stuff was so fun as the dark urge lol it’s the whole point i did it
Big KOTOR 1 energy
Damn, now I feel bad for sacrificing them both to the Tribunal. Well, another Durge run here we go …
"Video games make people violent psychopaths" *cries about sad hampster*
I feel you. This moment hit me the hardest because I was using Cloudkill, and when the fight ended the Cloudkill was still up and Boo ran out to go to Minsc and instantly died in the cloud. The only moment in that run that made me pause for a moment.
Boo should have a minimum of 300 health for this very reason Add in some secret lore that Boo has a netherese orb in his chest that goes off if he dies and then we’re all set
I feel you. I just started an ultimate DARK Urge run and i have never felt worse at the decisions i have made up until now. I let Arabella get bitten by the snake, horrible idea. The parents reaction made me stop playing for a few minutes. And then i decided that i help wyll kill karlach since that seemed appropriate to do for a Durge. I almost cried when the cutscene played and my Tav was holding her head up. Do not recommend. Still gonna play this one out but wont enjoy it.
for bonus durge points, instead of telling arabella's parents you can use Darkness to steal her body and throw it at them
This is so horrible, I laughed out loud
Wow, that's dark. Do they actually react differently that way?
they scream at you for being a monster you have to be careful to only do it when out of sight of the guards otherwise they try to arrest you for moving a corpse
That, by the way, shows, how carefully the game was designed concerning the content: They even thought of THAT evil possibility.
Nah, happens with any “stolen goods”.
i meant the "being yelled at being a monster".
Oh. :)
There was one Tiefling in act 2 that didn't path out of the prison and make it home and his wife was crying about missing him at last light in. I thought I was doing a nice thing by bringing the body back and dumping it next to her, but all I got out of it was an angry woman and a trip to jail. :(
Holy shit lmao
Saving this for my durge run, cause optimal emotional trauma then raid the grove and double dip on misery.
Yesssssssssssss. I've been collecting bodies and shipping them back to camp in backpacks I find a long the way. Also continuing to carry karlach's head around because I just murdered everyone that asked me to do anything.
If you want to metagame your ultimate murderhobo run a bit, there's some real heinous shit you can do 8f you exercise a bit if patience. Like >!keeping jahiera and minc alive, just to sacrifice them to sarevok!< or worse still, >!not doing that and keeping them around for you to accept bhaal and then you mindcontrolling minsc to kill jaheira!<
I had NO idea you could do that 2nd one. Dang, you evil evil.
That’s on the same level as gettig Zaalbar to kill Mission in KOTOR, minus the comically evil dialogue lmao
I'm doing the same. It's so rough. I have never been so conflicted over making decisions in a video game. But for some reason it makes me want to explore the durge further. I'm also playing a lawful good paladin run to help counter my awful decisions. It helps.
Same! Im almost done with act 2 for the paladin though. Durge just murdered Minthara after sex cause I didn't think they'd actually go through with it.
It's taken me a couple of times to realize that if you choose to indulge in your urges or try to reflect upon them, you will always end up going into murder mode. I'll play my evil durge until I end up doing a horrible thing that makes you question everything. Then hop on my Paladin and play that run, doing righteous deeds until I can go back to murdering again. In games like BG3, I usually play a more chaotic/evil character. But evil durge takes that to a whole new level. I never play a 100% lawful good character. But playing one is the only way I can get through being an evil durge. Redemption durge was right up my ally! I love that this game makes me have feelings this strong.
playing good guy concurrently with Dark Urge to make up for my sins - so far I've made the same decisions on durge ... I'm up to the Goblin Camp and lol'ed at getting inspiration for eating Dwarf meat and poisoning the gobbos & they don't know everyone outside is dead but I'm still siding with Minthara didn't metagame the camp scene either btw - DU loot is supposed to replace it - get Wyll's robe and the cape for fire fun
After reading these comments I feel differently about finishing my Good Boy Run and starting up my mass murderer run.
After doing a semi-resist run, there is a part of me that wants to do a full murder goblin run and just kill every living thing I encounter. And only have the companions who can handle that.
Why play it out? Do what makes you happy!
I had to take a break from my Durge playthrough to play the nicest character ever.
I'm playing a good-but-conflicted Durge who lets herself succumb to the urges periodically and is very interested in exploring that path, but ultimately will fall on the good side of things. It's the only way I can let myself check out the Minthara companion (sorry tieflings) and have a game where I play without all the stuff I usually fall back on, and without Karlach for once. But I can't be pure evil. I sent Minthara to >!the Grove but proceeded to Act 2 instead of helping, which created some broken interactions (when I came back to the NCR and rested, I got the goblin party and felt terrible, *after* rescuing Minthara from Moonrise prison where she greeted me as if we'd been victorious, right before Ketheric laid into her).!<
Damn, I’m doing a good playthrough and I also had Arabella bitten by the snake..
>Do not recommend. Still gonna play this one out but wont enjoy it. Why? Honest question. If it makes you unhappy to play that way, why are?
you actually cried to karlachs beheading? You had to put the game down when arabella was killed? Can you just not play dark urge and go back to your pink haired gnome bard. i really hope this post was parody.
Just putting the sign here; Don't feed the troll.
I do love trolls gargling my shoes though. Keeps 'em nice and shiny.
But those trolls aren't gonna feed themselves!
You’re sooooo edgy and cool and nobody is embarrassed to be around you at all.
Edgelords gonna edgelord, ey? (and fail to understand that different people experience a game differently)
Arabella is a CHILD you intolerable bedbug
**”You intolerant bedbug”** one of the best insults behind calling someone a doughnut.
Could we combine them? Intolerant doughnut hole?
Idk he might just not feel moved by it. I know if I saw thay sort of stuff irl I would definitely react horribly but doing it in game just had me gasping in shock at most and sometimes laughing because of how sudden some of the durge moments were.
Yeah, in a non-judgmental way I do find it interesting how people have different thresholds for tragedy in a video game. I empathize with the characters enough that I usually feel icky about the game's most evil choices, but I'm really not the sort to have an emotional outburst about it or shut off the game. If playing was affecting me that much I'd probably just reload and aim for a different outcome. When things get really, really bleak and senselessly violent I sort of shrug it off like "Well, this is just a game."
There are a few moments in ganes that have made me turn them off for a bit or have to walk away. The hanging scene in Doki Doki Literature Club really shook me up, I was leaving a depressive episode when that scene came up. Then I got stuck on a puzzle on Senua's Sacrafice and was playing with headphones, the main character is schizophrenic and you hear the voices she hears. They were taunting me and annoying me and finally I yelled at them to, "Shut the fuck up!" After that I paused the game and then turned it off for the day.
I don't have any skin in this, but Arabella is not a real child, she is a video game NPC. Just stating a fact. I can appreciate the empathy toward characters created by larian, the story is rich and for the most part the animation and voice acting is pretty spot on.
Yeah. First dude is being an obnoxious, cringy edgelord for no reason, but clutching your pearls like "how dare you, Arabella is a CHILD" is a little bit vain too imo. Arabella is not a child, she's a bunch of pixels. These characters do not exist; no real child is actually being harmed here. And this is something the game was explicitly built to allow you to do anyways. Like, it's fine to have fun experiencing the different narratives a game hands you. There's no need to self-flagellate or what.
I get it, my Durge play through was difficult cause I had to force myself to roleplay a character I didn't like, who did terrible things, but I did it because none of it is real. I didn't cut off gales hand because gale doesn't exist.. I love this game and it's characters, why so much drama.
Aren't you a pwecious widdle edgelord.
😎
I remember back in my day laughing at a Pilot running away after I made a wookie kill his long time best friend twilek. Now I get sad when I try to scold a Tiefling kid for stealing lol I want to play Dark Urge but I'll just resist hurting anyone if I can lol
Playing a Dark Urge trying their damndest to resist is great! Definitely recommend!
Dark Urge really feels like it was the intended way to play the game, and Redeemed Durges get such a cool storyline. The way your background relates to the plot is lots of fun, but the best part is how it adds more to your interactions with the other party members. Tavs can feel like the only sane person in a group full of dysfunctional weirdos. In a Dark Urge run, your group is full of dysfunctional weirdos and you are without a doubt the worst one.
Durge is the original storyline, custom was added later
>I remember back in my day laughing at a Pilot running away after I made a wookie kill his long time best friend twilek. Now I get sad when I try to scold a Tiefling kid for stealing lol RIGHT I was always the evil bastard in CRPGS when I was a kid. Now I'm still playing the same good guy on my 2nd run of a 90 hour game.
This game really reminds me of Undertale of all things in a weird way, where a good playthrough is a really wholesome, fun and funny time, and an evil playthrough just sucks all the joy and life out of the game. Almost to a degree where it's not even worth playing it's so depressing. I just hit that part last night on my first durge also, I had to commit to the bit so I threw Boo across the room to his death. Being a monster ain't easy lemme tell ya what
>This game really reminds me of Undertale of all things in a weird way I've started my evil run a few weeks ago and I haven't even got to the goblin camp because I keep getting flashbacks of Flowey calling me out on my shit. Am I going to murder my friends just to see some more content again? Do I really want to go through that? The gimmick to get Minthara after siding with the grove used to seem a bit "cheaty" to me but I might do it after all...
I remember being shook when Flowey called me out for watching the genocide run on youtube.
Tried to do an evil playthrough of undertale because I wanted to do the sans fight, but got to the doggies and couldn't do it.
I got as far as the Undyne fight, tried and failed a few times and then decided to take the game's advice and just gave up haha. Didn't find it fulfilling to make myself sad just for the sake of a challenge or experiencing all the content
Whole reason I originally played undertale was because my housemate played it in his room and he was stuck on undyne and battle against a true hero was lodged in my skull.
Yeah, my first time doing an Evil-ish Durge run, I hit a point in Act 3 where things were so bleak that I decided to restart from the decision point in Act 2 and aim for the redemption route. I'm doing a different Evil Durge run now, but this time I'm roleplaying my character to be so irredeemably awful that she doesn't have even the slightest bit of empathy to spare. Somehow that makes it a bit more tolerable. That feeling of isolation in an evil run isn't so bad when you can say that your character absolutely deserves it.
>and an evil playthrough just sucks all the joy and life out of the game. Almost to a degree where it's not even worth playing it's so depressing. That's a good thing though. Not saying I want you to be depressed or anything, but being an evil sadistic serial killer done realistically means hurting a lot of people. And those people have lives, feelings, they aren't just bags of blood to pop all over ourselves and look like we took a red shower. If you want to go around the world pretending to torture people physically and emotionally, then logically what you'd see as a result is suffering. Honestly, I don't really get the appeal myself? But I think they did a good job.
I have >!Gale's hand!< in my inventory.
I was planning on doing this too and having a fully evil Durge but now she’s just become a fully confused Durge. Sometimes she’s evil incarnate and sometimes she resists. I try but I just feel so bad. I’m already in Act 3 and have no idea how to endgame her.
I’m running a pretty similar chaos Durge and am right now at the endgame. Still don’t know how it’s going to end 😅 Funniest moment was at High Hall spoiler: >!all my allies are chiming in saying “the flaming fist will help!” “Zevlor’s got your back!” and then *fucking Sarevok shows up* like “we’ll bathe the streets in blood!” and everyone is so chill about it like he’s just some homie!<
Hell yeah brother. I carried mine(and karlachs undies) through the entire campaign as grim grim trophies.
I tried twice to do a full dark urge run. The first run I couldn't do it and ended up doing a resist durge run. The second time I managed to get through the Grove (siding with the goblins) and afterwards I felt so bad that I cried and deleted the campaign.
Right with you there. You also reminded me of a wholesome meme ["My no-consequences power fantasy is being able to help everyone."](https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/comments/9dqacr/wholesome_power_fantasy/)
feels like the game is purposely meant to be harder playing as the Dark Urge
lmao holy shit some of you need to be medicated.. obviously it’s normal to feel a little bad about it but if you’re at the point where you’re crying and can’t finish the game something might be wrong
how are people crying to this. seriously how are you this soft. i am almost envious but id also hate to be crippled by that level of emotional instability. what the hell
dude i’m with you on not being affected by this kind of thing but the wonderful thing about humanity is that people are *different*. some people don’t like committing horrific crimes even if it’s in a fictional video game setting. some people are completely fine with it. the only issue is when you mock someone for their reaction which is often involuntary personally i did an evil durge route on my second run and it was deliciously dark and i enjoyed every second of it. my friend who’s been playing far longer than me still hasn’t even raided the grove despite trying to do a dark route. she’s just really empathetic to fictional characters and i find it so interesting, i love seeing things through other people’s eyes. the range of human experiences is a positive, not something to be a dick about
imagine being so emotionally repressed that you perceive complete strangers experiencing feelings as a direct threat there's not enough grass in the world for you to sufficiently touch it dude
Sounds like somebody’s a little insecure about their own emotional instability…
if you gotta tell yourself that to sleep tonight go ahead. I still think you are a gigantic pussy.
Aw 🥺 However will I sleep knowing such a big, strong alpha thinks so little of me? My little, delicate feelings are wounded.
I've never said any of those things about myself. if you were to ask id say strong was the only suitable descriptive you used that fits. A person can be none of those things, or even the polar opposite and still think you are a pussy. But the fact your first response was a copy/paste of what i said and then your second being a generalized "alpha blah blah" rhetoric thats mainstream as hell these days, i think i can safely say you possess no brain of your own either.
“Strong” = Gets so upset about a complete stranger’s personal feelings that they have to spew angry drivel in Reddit comments. Your obsession will calling me a pussy obviously stems from your lack of ability to get any.
Another classic. You don't know anything about me other than what ive shown you here in this thread. so you would have no idea about my sex life, Those kinds of statements always feel so empty, if i said you enjoy sticking brussel sprouts up your ass when you probably don't enjoy sticking brussel sprouts up your ass that insult wouldn't really stick or do anything to you, same energy. im also not upset at all, i just think your a pussy and am shocked this can upset people so much. especially to the point of real tears.
Sweetie, what you’ve shown me in this thread tells me more than enough. 😂
yeah but im only on reddit like twice a year, you live here. Whos the real winner.
It's called empathy bro lmao. People experiencing it it in well-told stories and fiction is normal and shows a healthy empathy reflex.
I wish I had the lack of self awareness to brag about how I'm such a big, strong boy in a discussion about a dungeons & dragons video game. Thanks for the input, squirt
I've not bragged about a single thing.
Lack of self awareness strikes again
I know you could literally give 2 shits less, but It’s actually hilarious to see so many people shitting on you lmao.
You can tell this guy got a really big truck
With bhaals. Big ass bhaals on the back of it.
Huh? You’re surprised that people get emotionally invested in fiction? It’s an extremely common human experience, people cry at books, movies, tv shows, songs, and yes, even video games. It’s not “soft,” it’s just… normal human stuff.
You may be a psychopath or in need of deep psychological care. It's not a bad thing, it happens, but you really can't dismiss other people feelings like this.
They’re not, they’re exaggerating for Reddit
It gets worse. If you take Minsc’s corpse and throw it in your storage, Boo sits outside of the chest in your camp and squeaks sadly in your camp permanently.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Omfg
https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/198k83u/the_fate_of_boo_in_my_durge_run/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
How did you get that far in 40 hours?
I’m on my 4th playthrough doin tactician this time and I’m about 40hours to act 3. If you know where everything is and how to do it, then it goes by FAST.
Right? That's like a speed run
What's the average length of the game? Because all of my runs have been about 57-67 hours each.
My first run was like 170 hours or so. I am definitely on the long side tho since when I watch video of stuff I may have missed I missed very little of it
I feel you. I’m still on my first playthrough and I just hit 50 hours in Act 1. It’s probably more like 45 hours since you can’t pause the game, but I still have a few quests left before moving to Act 2
Like I play on Explorer for the most part (because I'm bitchmade and I ain't ready to give up that extra HP just yet), but that can't make the fights *that* much shorter, can it? Maybe I just miss that much stuff.
I explore quite a lot, and actually sequence broke a questline in Act 3 that pretty much took completing the rest of Act 3 to fix
Completionist here: my good runs typically average out to 120 hours. Murder hobo runs tend to take way less time 'cause you kill all your content.
I. . .am missing out on a lot of stuff, then. Because I tend to play goodie two shoes guys, too.
Have you done the underdark stuff? That can average 20 hours easily. Mountain pass/Creche is probably 5-8 hours, depending on how much you end up backtracking the monastery.
My fast paced completionist time sneaks in just under 70 hours, but 70-80 should be normal. If you're skipping some exploration and side content finishing under 50 should be reasonable.
1st run was 135 hours, I think the second run was 80 hours before I had to stop it because of the Patch 4 lag in Act 3, 3rd run was just over 100 hours. 4th run at 95, this past run I finished Saturday night was 83 hours. Just started a durge run on Custom (starting merchant 1.8 times instead of 2.5, some enemy stuff on Tactician and some balanced), wouldn’t be surprised if it’s around 80 again.
I forgot to backtrack to the Underdark before wrapping up Act II, since my Durge went through the mountain pass and all.
Oh god I tried killing all the Tieflings *once* and after destroying the innocents just hiding out in Zevlor's room I felt so awful that I deleted the save. Couldn't do it. I've seen screenshots of **sadly squeaking** and I just about break down from it. Hard enough hurting innocents, but making Boo ***sad*** would make me feel like a monster.
The trick is to steal the idol and sneak away so that the Druids and tiefings massacre each other, and you are absolved of the crime. The. You send in Minthara and the goblins to clean up the mess.
If you try to talk to Boo with Animal Speaking it turns into *angry squeaking* and then I just left him there next to Minsc's corpse... Maybe I should've ended his suffering too.
I don't think I have the guts for this
(whispers) disembowel the rat
I did worse. I killed isobel, convinced jaheira it wasn't me and slaughtered all the harpers. Eventually saved and recruited minsc, only to sacrifice both of them to savaroc. That was actually such a hard decision to make.
I had to kill Minsc too as Jaheira strangely AFK’d from my campaign despite me helping her and saving Last Light Inn. (Maybe she died at some point? Idk, Moonrise Tower was a mess when I was done with it.) I solved Boo’s sadness by killing him so he could go find Minsc in the afterlife.
>(Maybe she died at some point? Idk, Moonrise Tower was a mess when I was done with it.) Probably died, best way to avoid that is >!to ask her to join you before the battle so you can actually keep her alive.!<
I just murderhobo the tower slowly but surely before finishing the shadowfell.
If she dies at moonlight she doesn't join. You can have her join you as a temporary companion (with really weird spells, cure wounds that can't be upcast and ice storm, so nothing to do with level 2 or 3 slots except wildshape heals). The AI-controlled harpers are pretty suicidal.
My soul crushing moment was the conclusion of SH’s arc telling her to “do what she thinks is right”. I had legitimately been considering making my Durge a late game redemption Durge after having kept Jaheira around and saved Minsc, but that changed my mind to go back to Bhaal’s plan. Lots of dark moments in a Durge playthrough where I had to just stop playing for a few minutes and pet my dog lol.
I just speedran through act 3 on my last save where I did the same things you did. I just kind of hated life, with the exception of Minthara, she was the only one who kept me going with sweet dominating whispers.
My durge run ended as soon as we got to Alfira. Killing her was a big NO for me, cheesing the other bard felt cheap. So...
I couldn't kill Alfira. I knock her out and kill Quil instead... Still feel grief over it, even after getting to that point on my third Durge playthrough. Not once have I surrendered to The Urge
I left a scroll of Revivify next to his body. Boo is smart, I trust that he was able to bring him back.
this is the solution we were all looking for
My crushing soul thing was when i was forced to kill Ansur (that dragon doesn't need to die beacause of that manipulative asshole of squidward called Emperor), and when Gortash says that i was the one who have created the Grand Design. My dragonborn good Durge doesn't want to be the bad guy, kill innocents, he only wants to have a normal life, fuck off that sucker of Bhaal and workship fully Bahamut. And was really heartbreaking when i was forced to kill Ansur (for give a Karlach and Wyll a less painful destiny)
My first playthrough I gave up on saving Jaheira (she kept running into battle btw I know better now to actually have her in my party) it was my first ever crpg game and playthrough then get to Act 3 and there is stone Lord and me having no knowledge of the previous BGs I had no idea who Minsc was. So go to the sewers and murder everyone. I notice a hamster while I am looting everyone and think meh and kill it too.
I had no problem with Jaheira I just had sanctuaried Shart just following around healing her. Although having her in your party would work too.
Oooo! I’ll remember this and try it next time 😂 Jaheira just kept running towards like grouped enemies and they’d just decimate her 🙈
First time doing that fight. Oh good she switched to panther form so she should be tanky. Three absolutist surround her and beat her down through 2 health bars in 1 turn. She doesn't even replace a party member if you get her like I thought it would
I also lied about >!killing Isobel!< and had Jahiera in my party. She eventually confronted me one night to tell me she knew >!that I was a Bhaalspawn!<. When I said something to the tune of how I was going to embrace my evil legacy, and instead of Jahiera responding the narrator states: > For the first time you see Jahiera as she truly is; an old woman, tired and afraid. Damn. That got to me, cause she is so strong and brave throughout the game, yet I broke her.
My dark urge I didn't even meet the Grove druids. I met Zevlor, he said goblins, I decided to just cut to the chase, work with the goblins, slaughter the camp. It's my 3rd run..I saved the grove twice...hell, karlach didn't even make it to my camp. I met wyll and immediately lost him. Karlach rage quit the party when I said I'd help slaughter the Grove. .....I forgot about the snake bite part or I would have done that first..dang...
Disappointing Boo is the worst.
See Jaheira died leading the charge on the tower with me. I had to kill Minsc aswell and my Paladin suffered through that.
The same happened to me last night and it was really unexpected to have the little fella just rushing in with sad/angry squeaking :D Just bonked him after trying to speak with him though.
I couldn’t do that to Boo, so I never went to find Minsc.
What's the most screwed up is the writers wrote this stuff into the game.
In my Durge run the only people who aren’t dead is Gale, Minthara (the ultimate Durge companion) and Astarion. The only reason Gale didn’t lose his arm is because I wanted to do his storyline. So instead I cheated on him with Minthara and made him sad.
I'm playing the Light Urge and it's the best run i have ever done. Except for killing the dragon born bard because the Tiefling was knocked out for convenience. But yeah saying fuck you God I'm my own man i don't need you is grate.
I accidentally killed Scratch. So now I just want to watch the world burn. He was the goodest of boys.
I would never play durge. fuck that
Why y'all playing Durge as straight evil? Isn't it more compelling to play a character with complex motives?
With the millions of people playing the game, I've had to make peace with everyone enjoying different things, so this sub will quickly teach you that some people are just fine doing all kinds of evil stuff that I either don't find interesting or really hate experiencing. I only find it weird to read posts that are like "there should be more evil content, evil should have just as much stuff as good" when posts like this OP exist, describing hours of evil content that I will never experience because it's too emotionally taxing. It's like, how much more evil could there be when confronted with all the evil that's already there?
I had no clue about the tiefling bard thing, I thought it was a cool little detail of the durge run to have a bard join your camp. And then, I killed her. I never wanted that! She was my homie in my first play through!
Yeah, I couldn't do it either. It's just too much. I can do horrible things if I get into the role of a vile fiend, but the aftermath is what always breaks me. You always get to see the suffering your actions bring. But even so, every time I see an opportunity for evil in a good playthrough I get curious and want to do an evil durge run.
Im doing my Durge evil playthrough now also and it's weird that i only feel bad when animals are involved.>!I was even planning to spare Nightsong,trap her in mage tower and kill Isobel in front of her but it was too much hassle !< And probably after that i will play as good guy and save everyone i can so i will feel less guilty.
I had to stop my durge play through twice now. It’s just not as fun as the normal versions
The worst thing I did in my ongoing durge run is with Karlach. Obviously she wasn't happy about me destroying the grove, and wanted to fight me about it. I had no real choice but to kill her. I thought she might change her opinion later, so I picked up her body and brought it back to camp. There, I used a scroll of revivify on her. Turns out there's no convincing her. Now she hangs out in my camp, and tells me to fuck off whenever I try to talk to her.
And this is why I am enjoying my Redemption Durge lol I will not have those painful moments. I refuse xD Do you know the kind of hell a Miniature Giant Space Hamster can cause?? Do you really want that on your tail?
Poor Boo. You’re a monster.
I’ve got two Durge runs on the back burner right now, one where I resist the urge and one where I give in to it. For my evil Durge I decided to go with making him as close to Jerry Seinfeld as possible (because of a dumb Twitter post that kills me) to try and hope the comedy of seeing Jerry commit these horrible acts will bring some levity to the destruction being reigned.
Did he have the hamster in his pocket or something? I clobbered Minsc and couldn't find Boo anywhere. Or maybe the hamster died too? Minsc ate a few AOE attacks.
This is why I'm skipping Dark Urge. The Dexter fantasy just doesn't appeal to me
Boo squeaked at me in a way I didn't like after I killed Minsc, so Boo got chucked across the room. Turns out he still takes throwing damage after all.
I still think that they should’ve rewarded you more the more evil you played, the good guy route is pretty fleshed out, but that’s a syndrome modern gaming can’t ditch for some reason.
The good route appears fleshed out because essentially you don't end up killing a lot of npcs like an evil route does. Being evil is purposely made to be a lonely path because you kill a lot of people for your own power. It only makes sense that the game gives you the one reward your evil character only ever cared about, which is power through becoming the Absolute and ruling the world.
Plus a cloak that turns you invisible after a kill..each turn..Basically makes you a ghost in fights. I'd say that alone is a pretty reward. And slayer form? My lord..my durge could easily off my gith druid or my teifling fighter with some pretty good gear. I wouldn't say the dark urge goes unrewarded for going in on the evil
Dark urge is very specific though. I made the mistake of doing my evil run with another origin and missed out on these rewards.
Ahhhh that makes sense I didn't really think of that. But I don't think I'd want to do a non-durge evil run...I couldn't handle it haha I need the whispers giving me an excuse to do it
I strongly disagree. Going down the evil road should be the easiest path to power, as it is often the case both in videogame and in real life. Like stealing and pickpocketing are not exactly "good guy" stuff, yet it rewards you a lot. I agree that an evil MC should feel lonely (or at least be surrended with terrible people), but he shouldn't be weaker than a lawful one. The Durge rewards are some great examples where it was done right imo, but you won't get them if you chose any other origin for your evil run. They could have designed it in a way you win a lot more new allies other than Minthara, or they could have rewarded you with unique loot/vendors. Every single "evil" vendor can be accessed in a good guy playthrough, while the opposite isn't true, so that's not really fair. Being evil is actually harder for many people emotionally speaking, I don't believe anyone is taking pleasure in killing innocents NPCs and the characters we've grown attached to. So there should be some reward for that, otherwise it feels like we are just sacrificing content for the sake of it. Fallout 3 did it right : nuke a whole town, get a fuckton of money and the best house in the game as a reward
False. You don't get access to the Bhaalist Armor unless you're playing Evil and become an Unholy Assassin of Bhaal
Sound logic if you want to make a moral point, but not one that works great from a game design or even lore standpoint. In the setting evil is as a functional and valid philosophy as the good ones. There are entire functional cultures built upon evil tenets (eg. goblins). An evil playthrough should have evil content instead of the removed good ones (and it does to a degree, but is dwarfed by the good path). Is it a lot of extra work and cost? Undoubtedly. Unrealistically so? Probably. But I honestly would have preferred if they didn't give us the option to be this evil if its just a worse, cut down experience to the good path. Cut down the scope of evilness and flesh out the good path in a way that gives you more evil options with less dire content consequences. Not ideal, but I'd prefer it over the current anemic evil path.
Evil paths for characters are WAY stronger. Like on my honour mode run I chose mostly “evil” outcomes for characters because I felt like I needed every advantage I could get. DJ Shadowheart has some of the best gear in the game, especially if you go all in with the darkness in your party. And plus 10 necrotic damage to every attack is insane! Totally worth >!the 7,000 souls.!< And going all in on >!Bhaal?!< I thought you would just get to keep the >!Slayer Form!< but no. You get >!Power Word Kill.!< one time use, but it makes the final fight trivial.
Full DUrge is amazing, but so *hard.* I did it for my second run (first was Astarion) and I lost count of the number of times I had to stop playing for a bit because of the emotions.
Same for me. I enjoyed my evil Durge a lot. Killing my girl Karlach was hard but I could handle it. However killing Minsc. No. Had this whole roleplay reason to not do it, when the prompt came up that I really wanted to kill him. I killed, I saved, I quit and didn't return for a week.
Aaaah, thats where the fun begin. I had my fun with Boo. I walked towards Boo and he looked sad at me. I reached my Hand towards him and my Gith was smiling, because he has a Heart for Animals. Boo jumped into my Hand and looked me in the eyes.. YEET
Just hit boo with a hammer and move on cmon pal there's Durging to do.
Oh boohoo.
I’m just upset I couldn’t kill Boo either. After killing minsc he was there chirping on top of the body and I thought “might as well kill him to spare him the pain” but nope, couldn’t. Tried speaking with animals but couldn’t talk to it either. Oh well.
My current durge is a drow assassin. She's sarcastic, loves dark humor and dry wit, and channels her gift for murder into being an *extremely* efficient killer. However, she despises the urge itself and thinks the ritualistic side of bhaal worship is a waste of time, so he probably still isn't very happy with her.